The Ben Shapiro Show - ANOTHER Church Shooting…What The Hell Is Going On?

00:00:00.000 Alrighty, folks, two terrible shootings over the weekend by Iraq war veterans. 0.84

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00:00:45.000 Unfortunately, over the weekend, a spate of mass shootings that has plagued the nation continues according to the Wall Street Journal.

00:00:52.000 A shooter left four people dead and several people injured at a church about 50 miles north of Detroit on Sunday.

00:00:57.000 According to the police, hundreds of people were at a church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints at service, that is the Mormon Temple.

00:01:03.000 When a man drove through the front doors, got out of the vehicle, began firing with a rifle at 1025 a.m. local time in Grand Blanc, Michigan, according to the township police chief.

00:01:12.000 Photos from the scene showed a silver truck flying two American flags that had rammed into the church.

00:01:17.000 Apparently, the gunman then set the church on fire using gasoline as an accelerant.

00:01:21.000 When people attempted to respond, he then began shooting.

00:01:23.000 The suspect is 40 years old.

00:01:26.000 He is a former member of the Marine Corps.

00:01:29.000 Apparently, he served from 2004 to 2008 and deployed to Iraq in 2007 and 2008.

00:01:34.000 He retired as a sergeant.

00:01:36.000 He was married.

00:01:37.000 He had a young son.

00:01:38.000 It is unclear what exactly the motive was at this time.

00:01:42.000 It appears to be linked, presumably to mental illness.

00:01:46.000 President Trump did say in a social media post this appeared to be yet another targeted attack on Christians, but again, we are sort of waiting for more details on the shooter at this point.

00:01:55.000 According to the New York Post, the shooter had some personal issues.

00:02:01.000 As you would imagine.

00:02:03.000 Apparently, there were hundreds of worshippers inside the church when the attack began.

00:02:07.000 Aerial footage showed an enormous plume of choking black smoke rising up from the structure as it burned.

00:02:14.000 Apparently, this man, his wife, they had a now 10-year-old son who's born with congenital hyperinsulinism, or CHI, a rare genetic condition where the pancreas releases too much insulin.

00:02:27.000 And again, apparently, there are people who knew the shooter and had suggested that he was suffering from some sort of unwellness.

00:02:37.000 Unfortunately, this was not the only incident of mass shooting by a veteran over the weekend.

00:02:42.000 Apparently, there was a shooting in North Carolina as well.

00:02:46.000 According to the New York Post, the madman who targeted a crowded dockside restaurant in a highly premeditated mass shooting in North Carolina is a Purple Heart recipient and heavily decorated Marine who served in Iraq before changing his name and filing a slew of conspiracy-laden lawsuits, according to authorities and records.

00:03:02.000 The shooter was arrested Saturday night after launching a deadly assault on the American Fish Company restaurant in Southport Yacht Basin.

00:03:09.000 He apparently suddenly sprayed bullets into a crowd of unsuspecting diners.

00:03:13.000 This person was known to the community.

00:03:15.000 He had filed a bunch of bizarre lawsuits, including one where he accused a church of trying to kill him.

00:03:21.000 He claimed that church was, quote, behind a civil conspiracy masterminded by the LGBT community and white supremacist pedophiles to kill him because he was, quote unquote, a straight man.

00:03:30.000 Obviously, that lawsuit was dismissed with prejudice because it was based on legitimately nothing.

00:03:35.000 Apparently, he said he had been wounded in two separate IED attacks during a 2006 tour in Iraq, as well as a bullet wound that left Shrapnel lodged in his head.

00:03:44.000 And it is confirmed that this person also served in the Marines from 2003 to 2009 and deployed to Iraq in 2005, and then again in 2006, winning a slew of medals.

00:03:54.000 So, what does all of this mean?

00:03:56.000 Well, it certainly means that people who are suffering from mental illness in the country, as per our usual arrangement with mass shootings, are not getting the help that they need.

00:04:04.000 It means the people around them are not doing what they can to ensure that they are involuntarily committed if they are dangerous to themselves and others.

00:04:12.000 You know, when we look at the circumstances around every shooting, we ought to look, obviously, at the motives, because not every shooting is the same.

00:04:19.000 The assassin who killed Charlie Kirk is not the same as the mass shooter at this Mormon church in Michigan.

00:04:24.000 And pretending that all shootings are happening for the same reason would be to ignore a panoply of causes, All of which we need to address.

00:04:33.000 When it comes to mental illness, the big cause that we have to address is simply allowing people who obviously have symptomatic mental illness, who clearly are dangerous to other people to simply walk the streets without any sort of serious consequence or any capacity to rein them in.

00:04:48.000 And that's something that's going to have to be handled on the local, state, and federal level.

00:04:52.000 I've been calling for a very long time for additional funding for psychiatric hospitals, involuntary commitment rules that need to be loosened.

00:04:59.000 Too many of these incidents are happening every single day.

00:05:03.000 Now, speaking more broadly of crime, it is true that there is a wing in American politics that is significantly more tolerant of crime, whether it comes from the mentally ill or whether it comes just generally, because they believe that that is a result of some deep embedded cruelty in American society.

00:05:20.000 This has resulted in spikes in left-wing crime, unfortunately.

00:05:24.000 According to Axios, we are now seeing left-wing terrorism outpacing far right attacks for the first time in 30 years.

00:05:33.000 According to the Center for Strategic and International Studies, halfway through 2025, attacks by far left extremists outpaced far-right violence for the first time in more than three decades.

00:05:43.000 CSIS researchers compiled and analyzed a dataset of 750 domestic attacks and plots from January 1st at 1994 to July 4th at 2025, categorizing them into right, left jihadist, ethnonationalists, and other.

00:05:56.000 They did have showed that left-wing extremists have carried out 41 attacks since 2016, compared with 152 from the far right over that same period.

00:06:05.000 Which means that this is not one of those studies that tends to be right skewing in the first place.

00:06:09.000 It tended to be left skewing in the first place.

00:06:11.000 However, since the beginning of this year, there have been at least five left-wing plots or attacks compared to just one right wing attack.

00:06:20.000 So something is changing.

00:06:22.000 Something is changing.

00:06:23.000 The permission structures that exist, and they do exist on both sides of the aisle for a wide variety of crimes that that range from kind of the simply criminal from riots, acts of violence to actual terrorism.

00:06:38.000 Those permission structures are now skewing to the left.

00:06:40.000 And we saw that over the weekend as well.

00:06:42.000 Alrighty, coming up.

00:06:43.000 The New York Times has decided it's been long enough, it's time to go after Charlie Kirk.

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00:09:11.000 Apparently, protesters clashed with ICE agents again, this time in Portland.

00:09:16.000 According to the New York Post, federal agents began arriving in war ravaged Portland, Oregon over the weekend after President Trump ordered military deployment to the city, with at least one clash already erupting outside an ICE facility.

00:09:27.000 One ICE officer was seen Friday shoving a protester to the ground.

00:09:31.000 Another demonstrator was detained as agents confronted crowds outside the South Portland site.

00:09:35.000 And it's Portland, which means that they are dressed up as cartoon characters.

00:09:38.000 The video itself is bizarre.

00:09:40.000 You have people who are dressed up in what appear to be Pokemon outfits, people who are wearing American flags and onesie PJs.

00:09:49.000 It's Portland.

00:09:50.000 You know, delightful people.

00:09:51.000 If one protester who apparently is dressed up as some sort of strange Bob Dylan knockoff wearing a rainbow lanyard and a sign that says F off feds with the peace sign...

00:10:02.000 President Trump immediately deployed troops to Portland.

00:10:07.000 These people showed up in response to those troops being deployed to Portland to protect the ICE agents, of course.

00:10:12.000 That did not stop the Oregon governor from bashing President Trump.

00:10:15.000 Again, Democrats, they're significantly more bothered by National Guard showing up to protect ICE agents doing their job than they are by actual crime.

00:10:22.000 Here is the governor of Oregon.

00:10:24.000 There is no insurrection.

00:10:28.000 There is no threat to national security, and there is no need for military troops in our major city.

00:10:36.000 Military service members should be dedicated to real emergencies.

00:10:41.000 The members of the Oregon National Guard, their mission is to stand up and protect Oregonians, and they will do that every day, but they are not needed in the city.

00:10:50.000 They are not needed here.

00:10:52.000 It is very strange how many Democratic governors do not understand how this works.

00:10:57.000 All they have to do is protect the ICE agents doing their job and ensure those ICE agents can do their job, and then there won't be federal troops in their cities.

00:11:03.000 But they simply refuse to do this over and over and over again.

00:11:07.000 They refuse to do this.

00:11:09.000 Thank you.

00:11:10.000 President Trump, of course, has bragged about how he was going to do this in Portland in Chicago as well.

00:11:17.000 He said in a post on Truth Social Saturday, he was ordering defense secretary Pete Heggsath to use the military to protect ICE facilities, which he said were under siege from attack by Antifa.

00:11:27.000 He said he's also also authorizing full force if necessary.

00:11:32.000 Apparently, soldiers are going to be deployed to Memphis, Tennessee as well.

00:11:35.000 Tennessee Governor Bill Lee has suggested that he is totally fine with that.

00:11:39.000 Again, I think it's a very smart move by President Trump to go out of his way to deploy in red states, because Red State governors are totally fine with low-ring crimes in blue cities in their own states. 0.92

00:11:48.000 They see that as a win-win.

00:11:50.000 Meanwhile, apparently, troops are being deployed in Chicago, as per President Trump's promise.

00:11:57.000 According to the Hill, federal immigration agents patrolled downtown Chicago on Sunday as the Trump administration ramps up immigration crackdowns in major cities across the country.

00:12:05.000 The border patrol agents spotted downtown were armed, massed, and camouflaged, according to News Nation.

00:12:10.000 ICE said hundreds of ICE officers were downtown as part of its midway blitz operation in Chicago, which began on September 8th.

00:12:16.000 And apparently they made multiple arrests downtown, including the River North neighborhood on Sunday morning.

00:12:20.000 Apparently, 11 people were arrested outside an ICE detention facility in Broadview, Illinois, on Saturday because there was another large protest at the center.

00:12:28.000 And of course, the Illinois governor, J.B. Pritzker, who must be lowered into the state capital by Crane, called the president's quote a show of intimidation that quote is instilling fear in our communities and hurting our businesses.

00:12:38.000 Yeah, nothing hurts business like having troops there to ensure that actually they can operate safely.

00:12:44.000 If there's one thing businesses in Chicago are afraid of, it's the stopping of the crime.

00:12:47.000 They need more crime in Chicago. 0.99

00:12:49.000 They need more illegal immigrants on the streets in Chicago. 0.99

00:12:51.000 That's that's what business owners are deeply worried about.

00:12:54.000 The Democrats' willingness to embrace the 20 side of nearly every 8020 issue is truly mind-boggling.

00:13:01.000 It really is an impressive thing.

00:13:03.000 And when it comes to that left wing permission structure for violence, Democrats keep upping the ante over and over and over.

00:13:11.000 So we've been talking about this since the shooting of Charlie Kirk.

00:13:14.000 The left wing has created permission structures for violence.

00:13:16.000 The argument goes like this.

00:13:18.000 If you make a point that they disagree with, that is in fact a denial of their identity.

00:13:22.000 It is in fact an act of implicit violence, and that act of implicit violence is to be met with actual violence.

00:13:29.000 And so you will see Democrats using language like fascists with regard to Republicans on a routine basis.

00:13:35.000 Not sort of colloquially, seriously.

00:13:38.000 They apparently mean it.

00:13:40.000 You'll see Democrats claiming day in and day out that there are brutal attacks going on on black people in the country, attacks that can only be met, presumably with force, and then openly praising people who have used terrorism in the past.

00:13:54.000 Over the weekend, Representative Ayan Presley, the Ringo star of the squad, she's the Congresswoman from at Massachusetts. 0.97

00:14:01.000 She said the President Trump's to-do list as president includes attacking black women.

00:14:06.000 And this is just they're not lowering the rhetoric. 0.84

00:14:08.000 All the talk about lowering the temperature, it's not going to happen here.

00:14:12.000 Rev again, uh Donald Trump is attacking uh anyone and everyone except for the cost of groceries.

00:14:18.000 He is working through this enemies list every day, prioritizing political retribution and grievance, and again working at enemies lists instead of a to-do list.

00:14:26.000 I uh I mean, his to-do list, I think just says um golf, uh, attack black women, attack enemies, uh, alienate our allies, and continue to create uh crushing uh hurt for working families instead of what he should be doing, uh, which is lowering cost uh for the American people and uh and keeping his word. 0.75

00:14:50.000 So again, according to the left, President Trump just doesn't differ with them with regard to his political arguments. 0.98

00:14:55.000 He actually wants to somehow harm black women. 0.82

00:14:57.000 And by the way, Ayanna Presley, you know, uh I'm kind of tired of hearing Democrats talk about how much they abhor violence while they literally praise people who are murderers. 0.96

00:15:06.000 Okay, Ayanna Presley did that over the weekend. 1.00

00:15:09.000 She openly praised Asada Shakur. 0.97

00:15:10.000 Asada Shakur was a murderous terrorist.

00:15:14.000 She died over the weekend, and the Chicago Teachers Union paid tribute to her.

00:15:20.000 She died while she was living in Cuba because she was in exile since she was on the FBI's most wanted list, having escaped prison in 1979 after being convicted of the first degree murder of a New Jersey state trooper.

00:15:33.000 And that was after, of course, she had joined the so-called black liberation army that engaged in a campaign of guerrilla activities against the United States government, ranging from bank holdups to murdering drug dealers and police.

00:15:45.000 Here is Ayanna Presley openly praising a shot of Asada Shakur.

00:15:49.000 I'm going to do a little call in response.

00:15:51.000 Uh, one of my favorite in the words of Asana Shakur.

00:15:55.000 Um, so I will say it and you respond uh and repeat it back.

00:15:59.000 It is our duty to fight for our freedom.

00:16:02.000 It is our duty to fight for our freedom.

00:16:05.000 It is our duty to win.

00:16:06.000 It is our duty to win.

00:16:09.000 We must love each other and support each other.

00:16:11.000 We must love each other and support each other.

00:16:15.000 We have nothing to lose but our channels.

00:16:17.000 We have nothing to lose.

00:16:21.000 I mean, apparently you have your independence to lose as you speak like a robot, the words that Ina Presley dictates it to you while praising, you know, a person who actively killed a member of American law enforcement.

00:16:33.000 Pretty impressive stuff.

00:16:34.000 Meanwhile, again, other major Democrats continue to trot out the exact same inflammatory language that's been carved into bullets.

00:16:42.000 Now, remember that into the casing, the shell casing of one of the bullets that was going to be aimed at Charlie Kirk was the phrase, hey fascist, catch.

00:16:52.000 That's not stopping Democrats from continuing to use that sort of language.

00:16:55.000 Gavin Newsom, the governor of California over the weekend, put out via his press office, Stephen Miller is a fascist, all capital letters, because he's still doing this annoying routine where he pretends that he's like President Trump.

00:17:06.000 And then Randy Weingarten, the head of the American Federation of Teachers.

00:17:10.000 She says that actually it's her job to fight fascism.

00:17:12.000 That's what she's doing.

00:17:13.000 She's not, she's not fighting the American taxpayer on behalf of teachers who want to teach less and do a bad job with your children.

00:17:19.000 She's actually fighting fascism. 0.98

00:17:21.000 What's clear to me is that people don't know what fascism is.

00:17:26.000 They don't know what authoritarian is.

00:17:28.000 So what they see is they think we're just being, or people, when they use a term are just being political.

00:17:34.000 We want critical thinking for not only adults, but for our kids.

00:17:39.000 And what I wanted to do here is not only do a warning, but also what is the antidote?

00:17:45.000 HBCUs are the antidote. 1.00

00:17:47.000 Public education done well is the antidote.

00:17:49.000 When teachers in classrooms are trying to create a safe and welcoming environment, that's the antidote to political violence.

00:17:57.000 Let them have the resources and the supports to do those kind of things.

00:18:02.000 And what's the biggest antidote?

00:18:04.000 Kids really understanding and discerning fact from fiction.

00:18:07.000 The understanding as the founders asked us to do to actually make education the foundation stone of this country.

00:18:17.000 So do the things that she wants, or you are a fascist.

00:18:19.000 And if you don't do what she wants, then you're fumanting violence.

00:18:22.000 It's these sorts of arguments that actually create the permission structures for violence, of course.

00:18:26.000 And those permission structures find their apex at the New York Times.

00:18:31.000 I have to say the New York Times is such it is such a horribly edited newspaper.

00:18:36.000 And I say this advisedly.

00:18:37.000 There are people at the New York Times with whom I politically disagree very strongly, but I like personally.

00:18:41.000 Ezra Klein is one of those people.

00:18:42.000 I recently did a very long interview with Ezra Klein.

00:18:45.000 We sat down.

00:18:45.000 We disagreed on nearly everything, but it was very conciliatory.

00:18:48.000 It was really interesting.

00:18:50.000 We held our positions, but it was it was sort of a fascinating clarification.

00:18:53.000 The New York Times, however, has spent pretty much every day since the assassination of Charlie Kirk, with the exception of Ezra's work over there, really pushing that permission structure for violence.

00:19:04.000 And over the weekend, they truly outdid themselves, really outdid themselves.

00:19:08.000 In a minute, we'll get to more from the New York Times.

00:19:11.000 Nicole Hannah Jones makes her grand return to the pages of her alma mater.

00:19:16.000 Plus, the New York Times is now praising Marjorie Taylor Green, and we'll get to the latest talks regarding Gaza.

00:19:21.000 We'll also get to the government shutdown.

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00:21:35.000 So you just have to understand that the New York Times as a newspaper is perhaps the chief purveyor of this permission structure.

00:21:44.000 Right after Charlie died, they had not one but two separate pieces concerning Hassan Piker, the Twitch streamer who is more than warm to terrorist violence.

00:21:53.000 They had one piece that was an obit for Charlie by Hassan Piker, basically blaming capitalism for Charlie's death.

00:21:59.000 And then they had a profile of Hassan Piker, as though he was a some sort of great exemplar of moral debate, anti-violent debate, which is insane.

00:22:09.000 I mean, the man has, as we've covered on the show over and over and over, endorsed the use of violence.

00:22:13.000 In fact, here he wasn't all that long ago singing Bella Chow.

00:22:17.000 Bella Ciao is a revolutionary song that was literally carved again into one of the bullets that was next to the gun used to kill Charlie Kirk.

00:22:26.000 I'm partigiano.

00:22:28.000 Bella Ciao.

00:22:31.000 Bella Ciao.

00:22:32.000 Ciao.

00:22:33.000 uh-huh-huh dun-dun-dun-dun-dun He knows precisely what he's doing.

00:22:40.000 First of all, can't sing, but but also knows precisely what he's doing.

00:22:43.000 He's not doing that for fun.

00:22:45.000 He's doing that because there is a tacit and not so tacit endorsement of violence by members of the left.

00:22:50.000 Well, over the weekend, the New York Times decided it was time that there'd been too much tolerance for opposing views in the New York Times.

00:22:57.000 That had to stop. 1.00

00:22:58.000 And so they called forth the Haley's comet of stupidity. 1.00

00:23:02.000 They appear upon the horizon once every few years. 1.00

00:23:05.000 They emerge from their cozy sinecures, being paid much money to do virtually nothing by the New York Times and by other elite publications.

00:23:14.000 They trotted out Tanahassi Coates.

00:23:17.000 Any society that treats Tanahasse Coates as a public intellectual is a society that truly deserves whatever happens to it.

00:23:24.000 Because Tanahasie Coates is not only a purple writer, he is an awful thinker. 0.71

00:23:31.000 So they trot out Tanahassi Coates, and they also tried out Nicole Hannah Jones, who is back from the intellectual dead.

00:23:36.000 She hasn't written anything for years, but she's still on the New York Times' payroll.

00:23:41.000 First, Ezra had on at Tanahasie Coates to essentially chide him for the great sin of being upset over Charlie's death.

00:23:50.000 Tanahasie Coates, who literally just wrote a book, essentially creating the case for why terrorists are fine against Israel.

00:23:58.000 Calling Israel an apartheid state, likening Israel to the Jim Crow South, not mentioning a single time Palestinian terrorism.

00:24:07.000 Tanahassi Coates, the same person who has over and over and over again made light of terrorism, including 9-11.

00:24:13.000 He wrote in his book Between the World and Me about sitting on top of an apartment building watching the towers as they burned and feeling nothing, stoned out of his mind.

00:24:21.000 Tanahasi Coates.

00:24:23.000 A perfect person for the New York Times to bring in as a sort of voice of morality.

00:24:28.000 And what was he upset about?

00:24:30.000 He was upset that Ezra Klein had written a couple of columns in which he treated Charlie Kirk as a good example of people trying to debate issues.

00:24:38.000 So Tanahasi put out this interview with Ezra Klein.

00:24:42.000 And Ezra Klein says to him in the interview, quote, after that happened, I thought about me.

00:24:47.000 I thought about you.

00:24:47.000 I thought about all kinds of people I know.

00:24:49.000 So I do think there's something about when violence takes hold, there's something about it that begins to breach our lines.

00:24:53.000 That's part of my reaction, too.

00:24:56.000 He said, I worry that we are already in a cycle of political violence of memetic violence.

00:25:00.000 I think about Nancy Pelosi, I think about Josh Shapiro, I think about the near assassination of Trump.

00:25:04.000 Tanahassi Coates' reply was, quote, I think all of that is understandable.

00:25:08.000 But was silence not an option?

00:25:12.000 But was silence not an option?

00:25:13.000 So you're supposed to say silent when a major political commentator on the other side of the aisle is shot to death while debating issues, according to Tanahassi Coates, because he thought the wrong things.

00:25:22.000 Because he thought the wrong things.

00:25:24.000 And then Tanahasie Coates just does his usual routine about how America is a deeply evil and racist place. 0.99

00:25:31.000 And then he mischaracterizes Charlie's positions over and over and over again, calling Charlie a racist, lying about what Charlie had to say, and suggesting that Charlie made the debate worse.

00:25:43.000 Tanahasie Coates didn't make the debate worse by suggesting over and over and over that America was deeply racist, unfixable, terrible, so terrible he had to run out of the country while simultaneously writing comic books for DC comics.

00:25:55.000 Now it's Charlie, who's really the problem, according to Tanahasse Coates.

00:26:01.000 The great morality police of the New York Times, who has to step in to make sure that Charlie Kirk is not in any way praised after his murder.

00:26:13.000 Solid stuff there from Tanahasie Coates.

00:26:16.000 But that wasn't all.

00:26:16.000 On the same day that happened, the New York Times printed a discovered essay by Nicole Hannah-Jones.

00:26:22.000 I say I say discovered because again, her essays only come out once every uh, at this point, 10 years.

00:26:27.000 The 1619 Project was a long time ago.

00:26:30.000 And she's a terrible example, again, of a public intellectual. 0.87

00:26:33.000 She's a person who, when she was criticized for her historical inaccuracies in her awful project, the 1619 Project, which was a gigantic propaganda attempt by the New York Times to recast all of American history as the outgrowth of slavery.

00:26:48.000 When she was criticized by actual historians, you know, people who are not even of the right, people like Gordon Wood or Sean Wylance, she came out and basically said, Well, they're all white, aren't they?

00:26:58.000 She also bragged, people said that that the riots that happened in 2020 could be called the 1619 riots.

00:27:04.000 And she cheered that.

00:27:05.000 She thought it was good.

00:27:06.000 The permission structures for violence on the left are quite real and they are quite pervasive.

00:27:11.000 And her essay about Charlie is egregiously terrible.

00:27:14.000 Quote, the day Charlie Kirk was killed, Dominic Durant's 11-year-old daughter came home from her middle school in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and told her father that her friends had been very upset about his death, and that they felt she should be upset too.

00:27:25.000 I'm sad, she said, tears in her eyes.

00:27:27.000 Durant struggled how to respond.

00:27:28.000 He too had been appalled by the act of violence, but his young daughter did not know much about Kirk, and he worried she would look him up on YouTube and come across the many ugly assertions the right-wing activists had made about black Americans like them.

00:27:39.000 For instance, Kirk had claimed that four prominent and successful black women who all went to Ivy League universities, Justice Katanji Brown Jackson, the former First Lady Michelle Obama, TV host Joanne Reed, and former representative Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas, did not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously and had to go steal a white person's slot. 0.89

00:27:55.000 He'd argued that black America is poorer, more murderous, more dangerous than when black people were living under Jim Crow.

00:28:01.000 Durant did not want his daughter thinking that because her friends were grieving him that the things Kirk had claimed were acceptable or right.

00:28:09.000 Durant said, quote, I think I said it's natural to be sad. 0.98

00:28:12.000 I don't want you to change your opinion about being sad, but I'm explaining to you that the gentleman who just got shot was under the impression that you, as a young black woman, don't have the brain processing power. 0.60

00:28:20.000 So I'm explaining to you to let you know what he said was wrong and not true.

00:28:23.000 Charlie never said that.

00:28:25.000 He literally never said that.

00:28:27.000 What Charlie said is that if you are an affirmative action admittee, the tacit admission there is that you couldn't make it without affirmative action points.

00:28:36.000 And then he pointed out that Katanji Brown Jackson was put in place for affirmative action reasons and has not exactly performed well on the Supreme Court, for example. 0.98

00:28:45.000 But he never said anything like, all black women don't have brain processing. 1.00

00:28:48.000 That's ridiculous. 1.00

00:28:49.000 Charlie would never say that and did never say that.

00:28:53.000 But the entire piece by Nicole Hannah Jones is just a complete mischaracterization of Charlie's positions in order to minimize the tragedy of his death.

00:29:01.000 Quote, as a Christian, Durant also felt he had to address Kirk's version of Christianity, which condemned and disparaged people who are gay and transgender.

00:29:09.000 Kirk once posted the pride and trans movements have always been about grooming kids. 0.80

00:29:15.000 Well, actually, if you read the entire tweet, here is what the actual tweet says.

00:29:18.000 Quote, Trans actor Elliot Page, formerly known as Ellen, explains that queer stuff is no longer niche because 30% of young people are now LGBTQ.

00:29:25.000 The pride in trans movements have always been about grooming kids. 0.99

00:29:27.000 They call it normalizing.

00:29:28.000 They cannot procreate, so they recruit, and now they're bragging about it. 0.51

00:29:31.000 Okay, that doesn't mean grooming kids isn't like to rip them.

00:29:34.000 That is not what he's talking about.

00:29:35.000 He means that there's a social contagion with regard to things like trans, which by the way is statistically true. 1.00

00:29:42.000 This intolerance was not reflective of Durant's own understanding of Jesus or the gospel, nor the faith his family practiced. 0.92

00:29:47.000 I reminded her not to be a hypocritical Christian, he said.

00:29:50.000 I told her, you know, the good book, the Bible says you judge man as he lived, not as he died. 0.90

00:29:55.000 Well, I mean, I mean, put aside the fact that the anti-biblical explanation of sexuality that is put forth by the left truly does not accord with the words of either the Old Testament or the New Testament.

00:30:07.000 Again, this entire piece is designed to mischaracterize Charlie's beliefs so as to suggest that the laments for Charlie are undeserved.

00:30:17.000 That is the entire idea.

00:30:21.000 She essentially tries to call Charlie a white supremacist.

00:30:24.000 She quotes another left-wing activist to suggest that Kirk engaged in rhetoric of Christian white nationalism, and that it has moved to the center of the Republican identity.

00:30:35.000 This is what the New York Times is pushing.

00:30:38.000 Again, that Charlie and all conservatives are a threat, like an open and evil threat, and to lament for their deaths.

00:30:45.000 Can't you just remain silent in the word of Tanahasy Coates?

00:30:48.000 Or do they really deserve the kind of sadness that people are pouring out upon them, according to Nicole Hannah Jones? 0.99

00:30:55.000 The New York Times, again, it remains just a repository of crap. 1.00

00:30:58.000 It is an awful, awful publication. 0.99

00:31:01.000 By the way, if you didn't think it was awful enough, the New York Times hates President Trump so much that all it took to get them to write a good piece about Marjorie Taylor Green, a person with the intelligence of a turnup, is her turning on President Trump.

00:31:14.000 That's all it took.

00:31:15.000 It's truly amazing.

00:31:16.000 They're now writing, they're writing odes.

00:31:19.000 They are writing payings to Marjorie Taylor Green now.

00:31:23.000 Quote, Green, straying from Trump, reflects an emerging MAGA split.

00:31:27.000 The right-wing Republican Congresswoman from Georgia Has grown disillusioned with her own party and with President Trump and is increasingly willing to say so.

00:31:34.000 Wow.

00:31:35.000 Strange new respect for the New York Times for Marjorie Taylor Green.

00:31:38.000 Can't imagine why they're doing that.

00:31:40.000 Can't imagine.

00:31:41.000 By the way, Marjorie Taylor Green over the weekend once again suggested that she was going to be killed by nefarious forces because of her focus on Epstein and Israel.

00:31:53.000 Quote, I am not suicidal and one of the happiest, healthiest people you will meet.

00:31:57.000 I have full faith in God, and Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.

00:32:00.000 As a sinner, I'm only saved through his grace and mercy.

00:32:02.000 With that said, if something happens to me, I ask you all to find out which foreign government or powerful people would take heinous actions to stop the information from coming out.

00:32:11.000 Not only about this issue, but because of the truth that I have been speaking, the people understand what I'm saying.

00:32:17.000 Well, certainly the commenters did.

00:32:19.000 All the commenters were posting anti-Semitic memes underneath her words, obviously. 0.94

00:32:26.000 But don't worry, her crazy, her specific brand of crazy is now acceptable, according to the New York Times, again, horseshoe theory, operating at full volume here. 0.52

00:32:35.000 The New York Times says, Representative Marjorie Taylor Green, the right wing Republican from Georgia, did not appreciate being threatened by the White House over her backing for a bill ordering the release of the Epstein files.

00:32:45.000 So after a Trump official put out the word that doing so would be viewed as a very hostile act, she called the top West Wing aide to push back.

00:32:50.000 I told them, You didn't get me elected.

00:32:52.000 I do not work for you.

00:32:53.000 I work for my district.

00:32:54.000 She recounted recently during a wide-ranging interview in her office on Capitol Hill.

00:32:58.000 We aren't supposed to just be whipped on our votes because they're telling us what to do with this scary threat or saying we'll primary you, or that we won't get invited to White House events.

00:33:05.000 Me personally, I don't care, Miss Green went on. 0.57

00:33:07.000 She's literally only a nationally famous person because Donald Trump picked her out of a lineup. 0.99

00:33:11.000 That is the reason, because the left decided to attack her for all of her dumb old tweets. 0.99

00:33:16.000 And then the right decided to defend her, including President Trump himself. 0.98

00:33:20.000 That is the reason she is famous. 0.75

00:33:22.000 Otherwise, she would be just one of 435 Congresspeople that nobody had ever heard of.

00:33:28.000 Quote, Miss Green is no longer a team player for Republicans in Congress, and she is no longer seen as a joke.

00:33:35.000 Wow, strange new respect.

00:33:37.000 All it took was her horseshoe theorying around to the anti-Semitic left and holding hands with them. 1.00

00:33:44.000 And suddenly the New York Times is writing stop pieces about her.

00:33:48.000 What an amazing publication.

00:33:49.000 I can't imagine why extremist violence is on the rise, thanks to publications like the New York Times.

00:33:55.000 Really solid stuff right there.

00:33:56.000 All right, meanwhile, another news.

00:33:58.000 Over in New York, the Zoran Mam Dani campaign continues to truck along.

00:34:02.000 Eric Adams has finally, far too late, dropped out of the race.

00:34:07.000 Again, when you when you look at Pali Market, he's still the heavy fake favorite, Mam Dani, to win the New York mayoral election. 0.75

00:34:14.000 And Adams dropping out really did not affect things very much.

00:34:18.000 Momdani's still about an 85% favorite to win.

00:34:22.000 Eric Adams was running in the low double digits here.

00:34:26.000 In any case, here he was dropping out of the race yesterday, far too late.

00:34:30.000 Has been my honor to be your mayor, and I'm proud to say that we took that victory four years ago and turned it into action.

00:34:41.000 And yet, despite all we've achieved, I cannot continue my re-election campaign.

00:34:48.000 The constant media speculation about my future and the campaign finance boys' decision to withhold millions of dollars have undermined my ability to raise the funds needed for a serious campaign.

00:35:04.000 My fellow New Yorkers, this is your city.

00:35:11.000 I am one of you.

00:35:13.000 My story is your story.

00:35:15.000 I live the struggle, but I never stopped loving this city.

00:35:20.000 That is why I ran for mayor to turn my pain into purpose.

00:35:26.000 And I would keep fighting for the city, no matter what, from City Hall or beyond.

00:35:33.000 Because I am a New Yorker.

00:35:36.000 Oh boy.

00:35:38.000 Well, glad he could stick around long enough to make sure that his successor is a communist, a communist with Islamist tendencies. 0.85

00:35:44.000 That's that's really wonderful.

00:35:46.000 Speaking of that communist, Mam Dani says that the solution to affordable housing in New York will be for the city to buy up housing from private owners.

00:35:55.000 Presumably he would do it through eminent domain or something, and then make it city run, because nothing has succeeded like city-run housing.

00:36:02.000 It's been working amazing for decades.

00:36:05.000 We've never tried government housing before.

00:36:07.000 It never results in slums, it never results in horrible living conditions, people abusing their housing.

00:36:15.000 it's always just glorious.

00:36:17.000 I mean, every place government housing is tried.

00:36:18.000 It just works amazing.

00:36:20.000 Well, speaking of public housing, I asked our sponsors and friends over at Comet, which is a project of perplexity to tell me about the public housing failures of the 60s and 70s in the US.

00:36:29.000 Just as a reminder.

00:36:30.000 And here is what comments says.

00:36:32.000 Public housing in the United States during the 1960s and 70s is widely considered a policy failure because of a combination of social, economic, and political factors that led to the decline of many developments and widespread negative outcomes for residents.

00:36:44.000 Causes of public housing failure include chronic underfunding and federal disinvestment.

00:36:48.000 Authorities often placed public housing projects in already impoverished racially segregated neighborhoods, worsening poverty and social isolation.

00:36:54.000 Government efforts to reduce construction costs resulted in buildings that suffered from poor design and insufficient maintenance projects.

00:37:00.000 Strict eligibility rules, evicted families that saw even modest financial improvement, concentrating the poorest and most vulnerable populations together while driving out stable working class tenants.

00:37:10.000 And if you think none of this is going to happen, you're out of your mind.

00:37:13.000 A lot of this is going to happen. 0.98

00:37:15.000 Because, as it turns out, if you try to keep costs down, you end up basically doing it on the cheap, and then the housing is crap.

00:37:21.000 If you try to use it as a labor program, you end up paying way too much.

00:37:25.000 And at that point, you're impoverishing the taxpayer.

00:37:28.000 And if you have no standards as to who is living there, people end up wrecking the housing because they don't actually own the housing and they're not even responsible for what happens to the housing they live in.

00:37:37.000 And so, as comet points out, public housing projects became increasingly associated with crime, drugs, and gang activity as a result of concentrated poverty and lack of employment opportunities.

00:37:47.000 Some of the biggest examples include the famous Pruit Ego Complex in St. Louis, Missouri.

00:37:53.000 There are entire books that have been written about this complex.

00:37:55.000 It's a disaster area.

00:37:57.000 So I'm glad that New York has decided to do all this again.

00:38:00.000 How could it go wrong?

00:38:01.000 So Zaran Mamdani enthusiastically endorses it based on his longtime experience as a failed rapper with a trust fund.

00:38:08.000 We'll have to go beyond the market.

00:38:10.000 We can establish community land trusts to gradually buy up housing on the private market and convert it to community ownership.

00:38:16.000 We can give tenants a right of first refusal to buy out their landlords when buildings go up for sale.

00:38:20.000 And we can fully commit to a new era of social housing.

00:38:24.000 Ending subsidies for luxury housing development and using our wealth to build beautiful, high quality social housing projects that offer good homes and strong communities to everyone.

00:38:34.000 We won't decommodify housing overnight.

00:38:36.000 But we know what we have to do, and we have history to guide us.

00:38:40.000 Yes, we do have history to guide us. 0.99

00:38:42.000 This crap fails every time in Stripe. 0.99

00:38:44.000 Do it, do it in New York, see how it works out for you. 0.99

00:38:46.000 By the way, I know multiple real estate investors in New York who are very, very close to getting into deals to do more development in New York, and they all pulled out in the last three to four months because they know that Mom Donnie is going to make that nearly impossible now.

00:38:58.000 So again, well done, Eric Adams, for sticking around just long enough to ensure that almost certainly Zar Mamdani will end up being the mayor of New York.

00:39:05.000 And again, congratulations to the people of New York who um, you know, I suppose you like the 60s and 70s so much, you just wanted to do it again.

00:39:13.000 It's just that much fun for you.

00:39:15.000 All right.

00:39:16.000 Already coming up, the president of the United States is meeting with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu today.

00:39:20.000 They're trying to work out sort of the final form of an offer to Hamas to end the Gaza War.

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00:41:51.000 Meanwhile, on the economic front, the president of the United States is scheduled to host last ditch talks to avoid a government shutdown on Monday.

00:41:59.000 The Republicans are pledging a clean CR, like a seven-week extension of the current spending levels in Democrats for no reason that anybody can really discern are now talking about shutting down the government.

00:42:09.000 They want additional spending because we're not spending enough money, apparently.

00:42:13.000 I mean, that is despite our nearly 40 trillion dollar national debt.

00:42:17.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, a White House meeting is scheduled for Monday ahead of an expected redo of a Senate vote that will determine whether Congress will keep the government funded beyond Tuesday.

00:42:25.000 House Republicans passed a bill this month that would fund the government into late November and add millions for security for lawmakers and other officials.

00:42:31.000 Democrats blocked that measure, and then they want bipartisan negotiations on health care funding.

00:42:38.000 So it's unclear exactly what Democrats are aiming for.

00:42:43.000 They want more money for Obamacare subsidies that are set to expire.

00:42:48.000 Apparently, both Chuck Schumer, Senate Minority Leader, and Senate Majority Leader Thune have said that any resolutions to the standoff would likely involve some sort of negotiation over Obamacare credits.

00:42:59.000 John Thune says the ball's in Democrats' court.

00:43:01.000 Like all we are doing is just extending current spending levels here.

00:43:04.000 Is the government going to shut down this week, Leader Thune?

00:43:09.000 Totally up to the Democrats.

00:43:11.000 This is, the ball is in their court.

00:43:13.000 There is a bill sitting at the desk in the Senate right now.

00:43:17.000 We could pick it up today and pass it that has been passed by the House that will be signed into law by the president to keep the government open.

00:43:24.000 So the this decision, in my judgment, um, at this point in time is up to a handful of Democrats.

00:43:30.000 We need eight Democrats to pass it through the Senate, something that 13 times when the Democrats had the majority over the last four years, and President Biden was in the White House.

00:43:39.000 Republicans helped Democrats do.

00:43:43.000 So that is also being said by Speaker Johnson, who says the real goal here is to somehow increase payments for health care for illegal immigrants, which isn't even legal in the first place.

00:43:52.000 It is illegal uh for uh for illegal aliens to receive health care paid for by hardworking American taxpayers, but they're making the demand to change that.

00:44:02.000 They want to add that back in.

00:44:03.000 That's one of Chuck Schumer's primary demands to keep the government open, and we're not going to do that.

00:44:09.000 The American people didn't vote for us to do that.

00:44:11.000 We're trying to clean up the system.

00:44:13.000 So uh what they're what they're demanding, they know is outrageous.

00:44:16.000 They know it's far beyond the pale.

00:44:18.000 And look, I challenge anybody listening to us, Jake.

00:44:21.000 Go pull this up.

00:44:22.000 You will see there is nothing partisan in what we have passed and presented to the Senate.

00:44:27.000 Chuck Schumer is doing this for one reason.

00:44:29.000 He is trying to get cover from the far left base of his party because they've been hammering him for for not fighting Trump.

00:44:35.000 So he's going to try to show that he's fighting Trump, but he has absolutely no logical basis for doing so here.

00:44:41.000 How's Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, who's already overridden by the House majority?

00:44:45.000 He says, no, no, no, no.

00:44:46.000 This is just about meeting the needs of the American people because we need a shutdown or something.

00:44:52.000 We are always of the view uh that we need to fund the government and make sure that the services that the American people rely upon can Continue to be received, and also that we stand by our federal civil service.

00:45:05.000 We've seen since January 20th mass firings already taking place by the Trump administration in the absence of government shutdown.

00:45:13.000 Because this is what they've determined to do.

00:45:15.000 Hurt everyday Americans. 0.68

00:45:18.000 We consistently have made the point.

00:45:21.000 We want to find a bipartisan path forward and reach a spending agreement with our Republican colleagues that actually meets the needs of the American people, but that also addresses the Republican health care crisis that is harming everyday Americans all across the country.

00:45:38.000 Well, you know, good luck with this argument.

00:45:40.000 If Democrats shut down the government here, they're the ones who are going to own it.

00:45:43.000 And frankly, Republicans are like, fine, you want to do that, we'll fire a bunch of people.

00:45:46.000 We'll use the opportunity for a government shutdown, not just a temporarily furlough workers.

00:45:50.000 If we can get away with it, we'll fire people.

00:45:51.000 Don't threaten us with a good time.

00:45:53.000 Steve Scalise, the House Majority Web, he says exactly that.

00:45:56.000 Well, I haven't seen the full details, but if you go back to COVID, Martha, uh, President Biden dramatically expanded mushroom the size of the federal government, uh, supposedly to deal with COVID while COVID is over, and yet many of those federal agencies are still 20 or 30 percent larger than they were before COVID.

00:46:16.000 And so there's been a need for a right sizing of the federal government for a long time.

00:46:21.000 President Trump's talked about that with Doge and other things he's doing to try to save waste fraud and abuse in government.

00:46:27.000 And I think everybody knows there are billions and tens of billions of dollars in waste fraud and abuse that still needs to be rooted out.

00:46:34.000 We got to some of that, but there's more that needs to be done.

00:46:38.000 Now, again, what's truly amazing about this is the Democrats really don't have any sort of political leg to stand on here.

00:46:43.000 Americans are not clamoring for a government shutdown.

00:46:45.000 And it's not as though Democrats have a long-standing history of shutting down the government in order to avoid further spending.

00:46:52.000 They're now shutting down the government in order to achieve even bigger spending. 1.00

00:46:56.000 This is this is idiocy. 0.99

00:46:58.000 Who is the constituency for this outside of the far left? 0.99

00:47:00.000 The answer is it doesn't really exist, but Democrats are just scoring own goals at an incredibly rapid rate.

00:47:07.000 The same holds true with regard to the DOJ.

00:47:10.000 So right now, Democrats could make a plausible argument, in fact, a highly plausible argument in my opinion, that the attempt by the Justice Department to go after James Comey is misguided.

00:47:21.000 That that actually there's not enough material there to go after James Comey on legal grounds.

00:47:26.000 Now, uh listen, I don't think that that's going to be like an incredibly fertile field to sew, because frankly, most Americans don't like James Comey.

00:47:33.000 They think that he's a big weirdo. 0.96

00:47:34.000 He's a big gangly weirdo.

00:47:35.000 He's a big weird giant Frankenstein monster who's ready to jump out from behind curtains and and sort of create bizarre seashell mosaics and such and wander around lonely in the forest trying to find Bigfoot. 0.95

00:47:48.000 So nobody nobody's shedding a lot of tears for James Comey.

00:47:52.000 With that said, isn't an amazing look for the Trump administration to pretty openly say they're targeting James Comey, and now for the president to say he's also targeting Adam Schiff, because most Americans aren't real fond of that.

00:48:02.000 And and the details here are not incredible to the ear.

00:48:05.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, when Lindsay Halligan secured the indictment of former FBI director James Comey this past week, it marked the pinnacle of horizon President Trump's orbit from an insurance lawyer to the person he has entrusted with the sensitive task of deploying the law to punish a longtime enemy.

00:48:19.000 Last Saturday, Trump appointed Halligan to lead the U.S. attorney's office in Eastern Virginia, where her predecessor had resigned under pressure to prosecute Trump's adversaries.

00:48:27.000 With the help of a small team at the FBI and limited assistance from other lawyers in the office wary of their new boss, she secured an indictment of Comey on Thursday.

00:48:35.000 So apparently Heligan presented the case herself, which is not particularly typical.

00:48:41.000 The jury decided to indict on only two of the three charges it was presented.

00:48:45.000 Now, that's saying a lot about the weakness of a case because the the old saying about a grand jury is you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

00:48:52.000 So if you bring three charges and the grand jury says no to one of them, that is one thing.

00:48:56.000 Then the judge told Lindsay Halligan she had two documents before her that were inconsistent with one another.

00:49:02.000 One document contained only two of the charges, the other document had all three.

00:49:07.000 Halligan learned of her appointment to the new role last Saturday evening around the time Trump posted a message on social media expressing his frustration with the DOJ's failure to prosecute.

00:49:18.000 So basically appointed her five minutes later, she pushed forward with the indictment.

00:49:26.000 The grand jury didn't give her everything she wanted.

00:49:30.000 And a lot of lawyers out there are saying it's a pretty weak case.

00:49:33.000 Okay, so Democrats theoretically could could make some hay here. 0.89

00:49:37.000 Are they going to?

00:49:39.000 It's gonna be difficult.

00:49:40.000 It's gonna be difficult because frankly, they allowed the DOJ to become a political tool under Joe Biden, and they celebrated it at the time.

00:49:46.000 So when Chuck Schumer now says he has no faith in the Justice Department, it's like, dude, you were there the whole time.

00:49:52.000 You were there for Eric Holder, calling himself Barack Obama's wingman, and you were there for Loretta Lynch on the tarmac with the Clintons, and you were there while Joe Biden was using his power to go after his chief political opponent, the man who preceded him and then replaced him.

00:50:06.000 Here's Chuck Schumer complaining.

00:50:09.000 I have no faith in Donald Trump's judicial system.

00:50:12.000 He has turned this judicial system to be his own political uh of uh political fighter.

00:50:21.000 Do what he wants politically so that he tells them to go after people he doesn't like, he tells them to exonerate people that he likes.

00:50:29.000 So many people are getting pardoned and this and that.

00:50:32.000 He has turned this Justice Department into his own political watchdog.

00:50:37.000 It's horrible.

00:50:39.000 Okay, well, you know, again, I would take that a little more seriously if you had not spent years blowing out your own credibility along these lines.

00:50:45.000 Amy Klobuchar, the senator from Minnesota, she says, Well, this whole prosecution of Comey, it's about revenge, not the law, which sort of begs a question.

00:50:54.000 Revenge for what?

00:50:55.000 What is he revenging himself for?

00:50:56.000 Oh, do you mean that he's revenging himself for the time that you guys use the DOJ to go after him?

00:51:00.000 Would that be the would that be the thing you're saying right now?

00:51:03.000 What I see this as a former prosecutor myself, uh, this is weaponizing the Justice Department, basically taking a career prosecutor who was uh recommended by the Republican governor of the state of Virginia, clearly has Republican roots, who made a decision based on the evidence over a period of months, made a decision.

00:51:26.000 Then he's pushed out, forced out, so that the president can install his own aid into the job.

00:51:33.000 When I questioned Attorney General Bondi during her confirmation hearing, she assured me that politics would not play a role, that they would make independent decisions.

00:51:43.000 That is not what this is.

00:51:45.000 This is a vengeance prosecution.

00:51:48.000 It is not about the law.

00:51:55.000 Revenge for what?

00:51:57.000 If you didn't speak out while the DOJ was targeting Donald Trump and while Russia Gate was going on, you're you're touting the magic of Russia Gate.

00:52:04.000 It's very difficult now to turn around and claim that what Trump is doing is unprecedented and terrifying.

00:52:09.000 What's good for the goose has to be good for the gander in order for any of this to work.

00:52:12.000 Okay, meanwhile, on foreign policy, the president of the United States is slated to hold talks with Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu today.

00:52:20.000 There have been major negotiations over an offer to Hamas to essentially end the Gaza war.

00:52:26.000 Now, essentially the people who are negotiating right now are negotiating with themselves.

00:52:30.000 They have no idea what Hamas is going to say.

00:52:32.000 Qatar has been rewriting the proposals, Egypt has been rewriting the proposals.

00:52:36.000 Other Arab countries are involved in the proposals.

00:52:38.000 The United States is involved, Israel is involved. 0.94

00:52:40.000 It appears that the United States and Israel are now sort of on the same page.

00:52:44.000 The presidents of the United States put out a statement saying that talks appeared to be nearing their end, that the war was in its final stages.

00:52:50.000 Now, again, President Trump has been very optimistic about a number of possible deals over the course of his second presidency, ranging from Russia-Ukraine to deals having to do with Iran.

00:53:01.000 So it would not be a shock if this all fell apart because Hamas has no interest actually in surrendering the hostages.

00:53:07.000 The original draft of the 21-point document shared by the United States with a handful of Arab and Muslim countries earlier this week on the UN General Assembly sidelines.

00:53:20.000 It is significantly looser on Hamas and the Gaza Strip than Israelis would probably like.

00:53:28.000 With that said, it does put the onus on Hamas to release the hostages and the onus on the temporary government to change its constituency so that Hamas isn't running the place.

00:53:39.000 The 21-point plan, not to go through the whole thing, includes provisions like Gaza will be a de radicalized terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbors, which sounds great in theory.

00:53:48.000 The question is how you make that happen in practice.

00:53:52.000 If Israel and Hamas agree to the proposal, the war will immediately end with the idea of halting all operations and gradually withdrawing from the strip. 0.57

00:53:58.000 Within 48 hours of Israel publicly accepting the deal, all living and deceased hostages would be returned.

00:54:03.000 Once the hostages were returned, Israel-free, several hundred Palestinian security prisoners serving life sentences.

00:54:08.000 That means murderers and terrorists.

00:54:10.000 Again, that's not the United States' fault. 0.93

00:54:13.000 That's Israel's fault. 1.00

00:54:14.000 Israel has a bizarre view with regard to hostages, which is that basically any price ought to be paid for hostages.

00:54:21.000 Again, you have to understand the emotional empathy that Israelis have for hostages and their families, which has been crippling the country since October 7th and well before.

00:54:31.000 But it is a bad war fighting strategy.

00:54:34.000 What led all of this off in the first place was an idiotic deal pursued by then Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to get an IDF soldier named Gilad Shali back for 1,000 Hamas terrorists, including Yah Sinwar, the architect of October 7th. 0.97

00:54:46.000 So this sort of math is always bad. 0.78

00:54:49.000 Nonetheless, once the hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful coexistence will be granted amnesty, while members who wish to leave the strip will be granted safe passage to receiving countries.

00:54:58.000 Now, I don't even know how you commit to peaceful coexistence if you're a Hamas member. 1.00

00:55:02.000 All that means, presumably, is that you lie and you say that you are now willing to what?

00:55:07.000 Live in peace with everybody else?

00:55:08.000 And if Israel isn't there to police the place, how exactly are you stopped from, you know, rearming? 0.61

00:55:14.000 Aid as soon as the agreement is reached, aid would surge into the strip at rates no lower than the benchmark set in the January 2025 hostage deal, including 600 trucks of aid per day, along with rehab of critical infrastructure and the entry of equipment for removing rubble.

00:55:28.000 And aid would be distributed by the UN, which means they would go directly back to Hamas, obviously.

00:55:34.000 Now, it's possible the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, which is a joint American-Israeli operation, which is not handing aid to Hamas would be involved, but having the UN involved basically means that a lot of this money and material could flow back to Hamas.

00:55:47.000 Gaza would be administered by a temporary transitional government of Palestinian technocrats who will be responsible for providing day-to-day services for the people of the strip.

00:55:55.000 The committee will be supervised by a new international body established by the U.S. in consultation with Arab and European partners.

00:56:02.000 It will establish a framework for funding the redevelopment of Gaza until the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform program.

00:56:07.000 Well, good luck to that. 0.96

00:56:08.000 The Palestinian Authority is deeply corrupt. 1.00

00:56:10.000 It still retains a form of pay-for-slay, meaning they pay people to kill Jews. 0.99

00:56:15.000 The Palestinian Authority doesn't really even handle security in the so-called West Bank anymore. 0.97

00:56:20.000 It's a disaster area.

00:56:21.000 The Palestinian Authority is in a state of full-scale collapse in Judea and Samaria, but I guess the idea is that the PA is going to somehow handle the Gaza Strip.

00:56:30.000 And then an economic zone would be established.

00:56:32.000 Now, again, some of this is unobjectionable.

00:56:33.000 Some of this is really bad planning because I can recall a time when Israel made an international commitment to pull out from the Gaza Strip, have no military forces in the Gaza Strip, hand over running of the Gaza Strip to the Palestinian Authority.

00:56:46.000 European aid would flow in.

00:56:48.000 Some American oversight would take place.

00:56:50.000 It was called 2005.

00:56:51.000 Israel did it. 0.99

00:56:52.000 Hamas took over within a year and then used it as a terror base.

00:56:54.000 So Israel can't afford that right now, obviously.

00:56:57.000 Now, with that said, it's very doubtful any of this comes to fruition because I really, really, really doubt that Hamas is going to take Israel up on any of this.

00:57:06.000 Anything that even titularly gets rid of Hamas as the ruling party in Gaza is unlikely to be accepted by Hamas.

00:57:14.000 Hamas is running out of running room here, with that said.

00:57:18.000 Apparently, one of the conditions of the deal here is that if Hamas does not accept the deal, Qatar will expel Hamas leadership from the country. 0.82

00:57:26.000 Hamas leadership knows that once it's expelled from the country, it's kind of fair game for Israel to kill them.

00:57:32.000 Apparently, some of the other provisions that would create pressure on Hamas that the biggest thing that's happening right now is that Israel is being extraordinarily successful in its campaign in Gaza City.

00:57:40.000 You remember all of the run-up to Rafah earlier in March 2024 or so.

00:57:46.000 All eyes on Rafah.

00:57:47.000 Israel is going to commit genocide in Rafah. 0.54

00:57:48.000 And then it turns out that Israel did an impeccable job of clearing the city of civilians and taking out the terrorists with minimal loss of life.

00:57:56.000 You recall that.

00:57:57.000 Well, the same thing seems to be happening in Gaza City, where over 800,000 Palestinian civilians have already evacuated despite the fact that Hamas is trying to shoot people as they leave.

00:58:05.000 So that military victory in Gaza City seems to be the end of the war no matter how you slice it, whether there is a deal or not, even if the hostages are not back, it is very likely at that point the United States and Israel say the war has effectively ended.

00:58:19.000 Military counterinsurgency has now begun.

00:58:21.000 Those operations will continue until the release or the or the freeing of the hostages by the IDF.

00:58:28.000 Benjamin Netanyahu last night appeared on Fox News, where he praised President Trump for his efforts.

00:58:32.000 Well, we're working on it, Jackie.

00:58:34.000 It's not been finalized yet, but we're working with President Trump's team.

00:58:38.000 Actually, as we speak.

00:58:40.000 And I hope we can uh we can make it a go.

00:58:43.000 Well, because we want to free our hostages.

00:58:44.000 We want to get rid of Hamas rule and have uh them disarmed, Gaza demilitarized, and a new future set up for uh for Gazans and Israelis alike and for the whole region.

00:58:56.000 So obviously there's a lot of optimism today.

00:58:58.000 We'll see very, very soon whether that optimism is justified based on Hamas's reaction to all of this.

00:59:05.000 Alrighty, folks, the show continues for our members right now.

00:59:07.000 In just a moment, we'll get to China and Russia.

00:59:09.000 Russia continues to slam Ukraine, and America's policy seems to be changing pretty radically in response.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - September 29, 2025

ANOTHER Church Shooting…What The Hell Is Going On?

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