The Ben Shapiro Show - AOC just revealed where the Left is headed next

00:00:00.000 Envy, as we all know, it is one of the seven deadly sins.

00:00:04.000 And yet, if you are a Democrat these days, it may be the only virtue.

00:00:08.000 See, here's the thing the natural state of human beings poverty, misery, and death.

00:00:14.000 This was the natural state of human beings for literally tens of thousands of years.

00:00:18.000 And then it came this thing called private property, and governments that formed to protect that private property, and free markets that formed to trade and invest and grow that private property.

00:00:27.000 And now we all live better than the richest man on earth did just 100 years ago, or 80 years ago, or even 60 years ago.

00:00:34.000 By far.

00:00:35.000 But for the Democrats, that system, free markets, is evil and immoral and wrong.

00:00:42.000 Not because free markets have produced poverty or misery, far from it.

00:00:45.000 But because there are a lot of people who envy those who create wealth.

00:00:49.000 They envy the people who innovate, compete, and win.

00:00:52.000 I've called them the scavengers before, and now those folks may be on the verge of victory here in the United States.

00:00:58.000 And I've got the proof.

00:00:59.000 We'll get into that plus.

00:01:00.000 Whether you should be worried about Hantavirus, what President Trump can do to end the war in Iran victoriously, and why Mark Hamill Has fallen to the hate of the dark side.

00:01:10.000 This is the Ben Shapiro Show.

00:01:18.000 Alrighty.

00:01:19.000 So I want to begin with Hansa virus.

00:01:21.000 I know there are people who are freaking out about Hansa virus.

00:01:23.000 Lots of headlines.

00:01:24.000 Is it the new co- No, it's not the new COVID.

00:01:26.000 Stop it.

00:01:27.000 Just stop.

00:01:27.000 Okay.

00:01:28.000 So what happened is that there is a cruise ship called the MV Hondias.

00:01:32.000 And according to the WHO, and I know the minute I say the World Health Organization, you throw up your hands and start screaming like a banshee because they did such a horrible job on COVID.

00:01:41.000 Agreed.

00:01:42.000 Agreed.

00:01:43.000 But here is the information we have thus far.

00:01:45.000 Eight cases have been reported, including three deaths.

00:01:48.000 Five of the eight cases were confirmed as Hansa virus.

00:01:52.000 So, The hantavirus involved is the Andes virus.

00:01:55.000 This is the only species known to be capable of limited transmission between humans.

00:02:00.000 It's linked to close and prolonged contact.

00:02:02.000 Typically, hantavirus is transmitted by somebody ingesting rat poop.

00:02:06.000 Basically, apparently, the way this started is that some of the people who are aboard this cruise ship got off the cruise ship in Argentina and they went to a dump to birdwatch.

00:02:15.000 Folks, don't go to places where there's tons of poop.

00:02:18.000 It's just not a great thing to do.

00:02:19.000 It's just not great.

00:02:20.000 Anyway, so people got back on the ship, and tragically, there were some people who had hantavirus.

00:02:24.000 And it started passing person to person, apparently.

00:02:28.000 Now, this Andes strain apparently has a mortality rate of something like 40%, which is super scary, right?

00:02:36.000 The COVID mortality rate was extremely low.

00:02:38.000 The Andes strain of Hantavirus has a mortality rate of 40%, meaning if 10 people get it, four will die.

00:02:44.000 However, according to the CDC and the WHO, Hantavirus has a reproduction number of less than one.

00:02:51.000 Now, again, I know this brings back bad memories. 0.89

00:02:53.000 We all have PTSD from the COVID days.

00:02:56.000 The R rate is the rate at which a disease spreads.

00:02:59.000 If it is less than one, it will die out.

00:03:02.000 If it is more than one, it may slightly grow.

00:03:04.000 The flu is like 1.2.

00:03:06.000 COVID was like four at times, like the last strains of COVID, meaning it spread really, really fast.

00:03:13.000 Now, there's a weird thing about viruses, which is the more deadly they are, typically speaking, the lower the reproduction rate because you die before you can pass it on to other people.

00:03:23.000 And very often, you only get a very deadly virus.

00:03:28.000 Form of a disease from a person who is symptomatic.

00:03:31.000 That is true of hantavirus.

00:03:32.000 The incubation period is something like one to eight weeks, anywhere in there.

00:03:35.000 But during that incubation period, when it's just kind of growing in your body, it is not contagious.

00:03:40.000 So only when it starts to manifest, which is pretty severe, is it contagious.

00:03:48.000 So you're not going to be going out to birthday parties typically with hantavirus, right?

00:03:52.000 Once it starts to actually harm you, once you start to be really, really sick, you're going to be in a hospital.

00:03:57.000 You're going to be stuck in your bedroom, right?

00:03:59.000 You're not going to be out there partying it up.

00:04:01.000 A cruise ship is a different story.

00:04:03.000 Because obviously, even as you become symptomatic, you're in close contact for prolonged periods of time with other human beings.

00:04:11.000 From 1993 to 2003, there were about 890 cases of hantavirus reported in the United States.

00:04:16.000 About 35% of those resulted in death again.

00:04:19.000 Those were mostly not human to human.

00:04:22.000 So here is a timeline of what happened here.

00:04:25.000 March 20th, the ship departed Argentina.

00:04:29.000 By April 6th, the first passenger had started getting sick.

00:04:32.000 The ill passenger, who was 70 years old, died on board.

00:04:35.000 The ship then docked in St. Helena, and 23 passengers got off.

00:04:40.000 Then the wife of the dead passenger also died.

00:04:42.000 Again, close contact for a prolonged period of time.

00:04:44.000 And then a third passenger, a British man, became seriously ill and was medically evacuated in South Africa.

00:04:50.000 A German woman died on board, and a British man became the first to test positive for Hantavirus.

00:04:55.000 That is full on a month later.

00:04:59.000 And then the ship denied docking at Cape Verde, and the Dutch woman's body tested positive.

00:05:04.000 And then a departed passenger tested positive in Switzerland.

00:05:06.000 Some people got on planes, they flew.

00:05:10.000 The ship is now headed for the Canary Islands.

00:05:12.000 Okay, but the chances that this is like a pandemic level pantavirus, that it's human to human contact, that somebody went to a birthday party and spread it everywhere, very, very, very low.

00:05:24.000 So, again, I always hesitate now because of the poison that is the WHO in the public discourse to bring sources from the WHO.

00:05:31.000 That's how bad they are at their jobs and how horribly they abuse the trust of the American people.

00:05:36.000 But here is the WHO director of pandemic prevention, a woman named Maria Van Kerkhove.

00:05:43.000 This is not coronavirus.

00:05:45.000 This is a very different virus.

00:05:47.000 We know this virus.

00:05:48.000 Hunta viruses have been around for quite a while.

00:05:51.000 There's a lot of detail that we know.

00:05:52.000 I'm going to ask Anna East to come in and say this, but I want to be unequivocal here.

00:05:56.000 This is not SARS CoV 2.

00:05:58.000 This is not the start of a COVID pandemic.

00:06:00.000 This is an outbreak that we see on a ship.

00:06:02.000 There's a confined area.

00:06:03.000 We have five confirmed cases so far.

00:06:08.000 Okay, so should you be masking up?

00:06:09.000 No.

00:06:10.000 Should you be worrying about shutting down your business?

00:06:12.000 No.

00:06:12.000 Should you be worried about sending your kids to school?

00:06:14.000 No.

00:06:15.000 You should go about your life.

00:06:16.000 The media have an incentive to act as though every new antivirus or disease is going to turn into COVID.

00:06:24.000 And let's be real, even COVID wasn't COVID, meaning the way that the media portrayed COVID, that it had an exorbitantly high death rate, that it was going to kill legitimately millions of people, particularly young people.

00:06:37.000 It turned out that a lot of that was exaggerated, particularly in the United States.

00:06:40.000 The early estimates were just wrong.

00:06:42.000 There was so much bad data, and it abused the trust of the American people.

00:06:46.000 Anthony Fauci abused the trust of the American people.

00:06:48.000 Hell Pfizer, in its initial statements about the efficacy of the vaccine and stopping transmission, abused the trust of the American people.

00:06:56.000 Do not be taken in by the media panic that is currently happening about hantavirus because there is no evidence at this point.

00:07:02.000 Now, the evidence can change, but at this point, there is zero evidence that you should be freaked out about this hantavirus.

00:07:08.000 In a second, we'll get to AOC declaring that billionaires are illegitimate.

00:07:12.000 I mean, she knows economics.

00:07:14.000 She did take tips as a bartender.

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00:08:18.000 Okay, now speaking of viruses that will not die, the virus of socialist envy never dies.

00:08:24.000 It never, ever dies.

00:08:26.000 Alexander Ocasio Cortez, a beneficiary of America's free market system.

00:08:32.000 I mean, listen, America is fabulous. 0.95

00:08:33.000 America is so fabulous that you can be a complete dullard and be incredibly rich and powerful. 0.92

00:08:39.000 Truly, it's an incredible thing. 1.00

00:08:41.000 There are people who have made a bajillion dollars in the United States who, in any other country, would be the village idiot. 0.98

00:08:49.000 That is not because they're stealing money from people. 0.99

00:08:51.000 Okay, AOC. 1.00

00:08:53.000 She is widely considered a possible New York Senate candidate.

00:08:57.000 She may run against Chuck Schumer. 1.00

00:08:59.000 Maybe she'll run for president. 0.74

00:09:01.000 Well, she was on a podcast with a human called Ilana Glazer.

00:09:04.000 They, she, a comedian, actor, advocate, and creator.

00:09:09.000 She recently made her Broadway debut in the stage adaptation of Good Night and Good Luck. 0.93

00:09:13.000 Now, again, another person benefiting from the fact that the United States is rich enough to pay people a lot of money to do dumb things.

00:09:20.000 In any case, AOC made the rather incredible statement that it is not possible to earn a billion dollars. 0.99

00:09:27.000 Apparently, in AOC's dumb brain, there is a cutoff point. 0.92

00:09:31.000 So you can earn $100,000, maybe you can earn a million dollars, but it's not possible to earn a billion dollars. 0.98

00:09:37.000 We don't know exactly where that cutoff point is.

00:09:39.000 Is it $500 million and $1?

00:09:41.000 Where is the cutoff point?

00:09:42.000 But here is her explanation.

00:09:46.000 There's a certain level of wealth and accumulation that is unearned, right?

00:09:54.000 You can't earn a billion dollars.

00:09:58.000 You just can't earn that.

00:09:58.000 That's right.

00:10:00.000 That's exactly correct.

00:10:07.000 The amount of brain power in that room could toast a piece of bread lightly. 0.54

00:10:13.000 Absolute oatmeal for brains over there.

00:10:16.000 You cannot earn a billion.

00:10:17.000 Absolutely, you can earn a billion dollars.

00:10:19.000 In fact, the way that you earn a billion dollars in the private sector is you provide goods and services to millions of people that they want to pay for.

00:10:27.000 That is how you earn a billion dollars.

00:10:29.000 You innovate a new product, lots of people want it, and then they pay you for it.

00:10:33.000 That is how you make money. 1.00

00:10:35.000 But again, this sort of stupidity has become de rigueur for the left. 1.00

00:10:39.000 Alexander Ocasio Cortez then pushed this further. 1.00

00:10:42.000 He said, The single largest form of theft in America is wage theft.

00:10:46.000 $50 billion a year are stolen from American workers.

00:10:49.000 Now, she's not talking here about the wage theft of the government coming in and literally confiscating a giant chunk of your paycheck every month.

00:10:55.000 She thinks it is wage theft for companies to not pay wages that she thinks they should pay.

00:11:01.000 She says, if a billionaire amasses their wealth by underpaying their full time workers so severely they must rely on food assistance and government programs to survive, then no, that wealth was not earned by one individual.

00:11:11.000 It was a wealth transfer subsidized by underpaid American workers and the public who got stuck with the bill for large corporations free riding off our systems.

00:11:19.000 She's not making the argument she thinks she's making.

00:11:22.000 She really is not.

00:11:24.000 I half agree.

00:11:26.000 If you pay people to stay home or if you pay to supplement people's wages, that means that there is a downward pressure on wages because someone else is paying half the wages.

00:11:38.000 That is an argument against government subsidization of wages.

00:11:42.000 That is not an argument in favor of prying more money somehow out of the private employer.

00:11:48.000 She says the point is less about individual morality.

00:11:51.000 It's more about how our current economic reality of shattering inequality rewards screwing over workers and exploiting essential systems at scale.

00:11:58.000 Again, the way to get wages up would be to reduce government dependency.

00:12:05.000 That would be the way.

00:12:08.000 She says, We're talking about monopoly power.

00:12:09.000 She doesn't even know what she's talking about, monopoly power.

00:12:12.000 This idea that billionaires are billionaires because they have quote unquote monopolies.

00:12:17.000 The only true monopoly in a free market system is a monopoly in which you get the government to regulate your competitors out of existence.

00:12:24.000 That is how monopoly actually works.

00:12:27.000 Rent seeking, wage theft, profiteering, stock buybacks, destabilizing house markets.

00:12:33.000 I mean, again, profiteering, do you mean like charging people for a product or service?

00:12:39.000 Stock buybacks are not a form of monopoly power.

00:12:42.000 What is she talking about?

00:12:44.000 Companies using SNAP or EBT to underwrite their wages.

00:12:48.000 Again, that is a critique of the SNAP EBT perverse incentives.

00:12:52.000 Massive government subsidies or contracts to corporations following lobbying and dark money in politics with little to no oversight or accountability.

00:12:58.000 I agree with that.

00:12:59.000 But that is a capitalist point, not a socialist point.

00:13:03.000 More government control equals more corruption.

00:13:05.000 Duh.

00:13:06.000 Some people get enraged.

00:13:07.000 I draw attention to this.

00:13:08.000 That's on them. 1.00

00:13:10.000 Let them call me shrill, dumb, inexperienced, girly, or uneducated. 0.99

00:13:14.000 I'm not calling her girly. 1.00

00:13:14.000 She is a girl. 1.00

00:13:15.000 I'm calling her shrill, dumb, inexperienced, and uneducated. 1.00

00:13:18.000 She is all of those things. 1.00

00:13:19.000 These folks will say anything to distract from or undercut the truth that working people are getting screwed and giving people a fair shake means we must have a grown conversation about reigning in abusive power.

00:13:27.000 So, first of all, it has always been a Marxist lie that capitalism impoverishes the worker.

00:13:33.000 It is not true.

00:13:34.000 It has never been true.

00:13:36.000 It was.

00:13:37.000 Something Karl Marx argued back during the Industrial Revolution that the impoverishment of wage earners would result from capitalism, and precisely the opposite occurred.

00:13:45.000 Every prediction Marx ever made about the future state of the world was wrong.

00:13:49.000 All of them.

00:13:50.000 Which is why, in order to achieve his vision, governments eventually had to just kill tens of millions of human beings.

00:13:56.000 Because it turns out that Marx's predictions about the future, his supposed prophetic powers, were untrue.

00:14:04.000 He projected that there would be a gigantic class struggle, never happened.

00:14:09.000 He projected that capitalism would impoverish everyone.

00:14:12.000 Didn't happen.

00:14:14.000 He projected that workers would get poorer.

00:14:16.000 Didn't happen.

00:14:18.000 But again, all that Marxism is really rooted in, in the end, it's not rooted in any thoroughgoing understanding of economics or human nature.

00:14:26.000 It is rooted in pure envy, pure unadulterated envy.

00:14:31.000 AOC cites to Bernie Sanders as the founder of the movement. 0.72

00:14:35.000 Again, citing some of the most useless people on earth as the founders of your movement is a move.

00:14:40.000 Here is AOC.

00:14:43.000 You know, Bernie Sanders, I think, was the first to puncture through with this messaging to mainstream America.

00:14:51.000 And you're really his successor.

00:14:52.000 You speak in such clear and simple language, so obviously spontaneous, genuine from your lived experience, which is so different.

00:15:02.000 I mean, you know, I'm laughing, but it's honestly terrifying how most, I would say, the majority of elected officials do not reflect the lived experience of their constituents.

00:15:12.000 When did this come into your consciousness, this system being rigged for the ultra wealthy?

00:15:17.000 Well, first, I want to say in a lot of ways, we're all kind of Bernie's successor. 0.98

00:15:25.000 Again, there is no one who's been a bigger leech on the ass of American society than Bernie Sanders. 0.97

00:15:29.000 The man has not held a productive job for literally 80 years. 0.99

00:15:33.000 For 80 years, he has lived and sponged off the taxpayer.

00:15:36.000 It's incredible.

00:15:38.000 I mean, by the way, Bernie is the kind of person who is now going after Sergey Brin for the great crime of founding Google.

00:15:45.000 Quote, Google founder Sergey Brin's wealth has doubled to $311 billion since Trump's election.

00:15:49.000 Now he's spending $57 million to oppose a 5% billionaire's wealth tax in California.

00:15:54.000 He'd rather millions lose health care than pay his fair share in taxes.

00:15:57.000 This kind of arrogance is unacceptable.

00:15:59.000 Again, unacceptable according to whom? 1.00

00:16:01.000 You're a tyrant. 1.00

00:16:02.000 Tyrant. 0.99

00:16:03.000 And by the way, it is you who are arrogant because you believe you are entitled to Sergey Brin's wealth.

00:16:08.000 By the way, wealth he hasn't even cashed out on.

00:16:11.000 The predictable result of all of this, by the way, as we'll get to in a little while, is people will flee California.

00:16:15.000 Anyone who can earn is fleeing California at this point.

00:16:19.000 In the end, this is all rooted in a fundamental misunderstanding of how the world works or envy or both. 1.00

00:16:26.000 Kamala Harris, I don't know, is she stupid? 1.00

00:16:29.000 Is she corrupt? 1.00

00:16:31.000 Is she promoting evil? 0.93

00:16:32.000 Maybe all three. 1.00

00:16:34.000 She does this through the thing that people like AOC or Bernie or Kamala will do. 0.76

00:16:38.000 They will posit a utopian world in which good things happen.

00:16:42.000 And then they will say, if that world does not exist, it doesn't exist because of a system I don't like. 0.86

00:16:50.000 So here she was saying, That she should be able to basically dictate wages.

00:16:56.000 Here we go.

00:16:58.000 But a revival.

00:17:00.000 And what does that look like?

00:17:02.000 Well, where if you work a 40 hour week, you can afford your rent and food on the table and maybe a vacation from time to time, not scraping to get by, praying you can get through the end of the month.

00:17:21.000 Okay, I mean, that is so vague as to be utterly worthless.

00:17:25.000 Okay, should is doing a lot of work there.

00:17:28.000 First of all, the vast majority of people in the United States who work a 40 hour week are affording rent.

00:17:32.000 They're not living on the streets, they're affording rent.

00:17:35.000 It may be too expensive.

00:17:36.000 They may not like it, but the vast majority of human beings in the United States can afford rent on their salary.

00:17:42.000 By afford, I mean they are not homeless.

00:17:44.000 And they can afford food because starvation in the United States is at zero.

00:17:47.000 No one is starving to death in the United States.

00:17:50.000 So we can start with that.

00:17:52.000 But again, what socialists do, what people who hate free markets do, is they posit that there should be.

00:17:57.000 I mean, I can do it too.

00:17:58.000 You know, if you work 40 hours a week in the United States, you should be able to afford a six bedroom mansion in Bel Air.

00:18:06.000 You should also Be able to afford a cruise around the world without hantavirus and a private jet if you work 40 hours a week.

00:18:14.000 You should be in a better world.

00:18:15.000 You would be able to do that.

00:18:17.000 And the only thing stopping you is this system I don't like. 1.00

00:18:21.000 It's just crap. 1.00

00:18:23.000 It's just nonsense. 1.00

00:18:25.000 It's being practiced, by the way, out in California.

00:18:28.000 Out in California, they're trying to do this.

00:18:31.000 Coming up, we'll be joined by California's Republican gubernatorial candidate.

00:18:36.000 Is he the next governor?

00:18:37.000 Why is California falling apart?

00:18:38.000 We'll get to it with Steve Hilton in a moment.

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00:19:41.000 In California, they're pushing hard for the idea that if they destroy the wealth creators, that somehow this will magically fix everything.

00:19:48.000 One of the people who is running against that is Steve Hilton.

00:19:51.000 You know him from Fox News, conservative political commentator, former political advisor, and now candidate for governor of California.

00:19:57.000 In the polls, the frontrunner at the moment.

00:19:59.000 Steve, thanks so much for joining the show.

00:20:00.000 Really appreciate it.

00:20:03.000 I love what you've been saying, Ben.

00:20:03.000 Fantastic to be with you.

00:20:05.000 Can I add one little dimension to what you've been saying, which is taxes?

00:20:05.000 It's fantastic.

00:20:09.000 Please do.

00:20:10.000 So at the same time as all of this is going on, Which you correctly described there.

00:20:17.000 You've got, because of the tax system, low paid workers, the ones that Kamala Harris and all these people profess to care about, certainly in California, paying massive taxes to the government.

00:20:26.000 And the employers that are allegedly impoverishing these workers also paying massive taxes to the government, which are then recycled in these handouts.

00:20:35.000 I'll just give you the numbers.

00:20:37.000 In California, there are a number of counties now where, because of the cost of living being so high, because of Democrat policies, the official definition Of low income is $100,000 a year.

00:20:49.000 So you got people because the California tax system earning 70, 80, 90 grand a year, low income, paying 9.3% state income tax.

00:20:58.000 That is higher than the top rate of tax in most states in America.

00:21:02.000 What do they got to say about that?

00:21:04.000 Nothing.

00:21:04.000 My plan, on the other hand, is to reduce taxes for those people, eliminating state income tax for everyone earning 100 grand or below.

00:21:11.000 And so these people just don't think about the actual system.

00:21:15.000 They want more and more taxes, more and more government, and then they complain that the workers aren't getting paid enough, even as they're taking more money out of their pockets.

00:21:24.000 It's totally insane.

00:21:25.000 I was just in California a little bit earlier this week, and I was looking at the gas prices in California, and you have.

00:21:30.000 You know, people in California complaining about it's the Iran war that's making the gas prices go up.

00:21:34.000 Well, it's weird because I live here in Florida.

00:21:35.000 And yeah, gas is a little more expensive than it was a couple of months ago before the war started.

00:21:40.000 But I noticed that per gallon over here, $3.95 a gallon, $3.90 a gallon.

00:21:45.000 And then I'm in LA and I'm looking at seven bucks a gallon.

00:21:48.000 That is not happening because of the Iran war.

00:21:50.000 That is happening because of the horrific governance in the state of California.

00:21:54.000 And it's a regressive tax because you know who can afford an electric car?

00:21:57.000 You know who can't afford an electric car?

00:21:57.000 Rich people.

00:21:59.000 Everybody who's a wage earner.

00:22:02.000 Exactly.

00:22:02.000 I mean, that's why the first pledge in my campaign about a year ago when I started was $3 gas.

00:22:08.000 Because at the time before the war, you had 40 states in America where gas was $3 or below, most of them with no oil reserves.

00:22:16.000 California has abundant oil reserves, yet, because of their insane virtue signaling about clamping down on fossil fuels and ending fossil fuels, they are ending California production of fossil fuels, that's for sure.

00:22:30.000 But the overall consumption of fossil fuels in California since their war on fossil fuels.

00:22:34.000 Is about the same as it ever was, except now we're importing it from halfway around the world.

00:22:38.000 Our number one provider of oil right now used to be California when we got most of it from in state. 0.64

00:22:44.000 Number one provider now, Iraq. 0.55

00:22:46.000 These geniuses, in the name of climate change, are now shipping oil halfway around the world, 7,500 miles from Iraq in giant supertankers, spewing out carbon emissions because they run on the dirtiest form of fuel, bunker fuel, in the name of climate. 0.87

00:23:00.000 They're literally increasing carbon emissions in the name of climate.

00:23:04.000 Another example, The oil that works with California refineries is a heavier form of crude oil.

00:23:10.000 A good match for that, the oil you get in South America.

00:23:13.000 So, again, in the name of Gavin Newsom's climate policy, we are now expanding oil drilling in the Amazon rainforest in order to provide oil to California because they refuse to actually get it from within California.

00:23:26.000 In the process, shutting down our energy industry and destroying jobs in the rural areas of California, like Kern County, which they don't care about.

00:23:33.000 It's just so utterly insane and incoherent.

00:23:36.000 We've got to take these people apart.

00:23:40.000 You know, Steve, one of the things that is truly amazing is you're hearing people like the AOCs and the Bernie's of the world talking about the system being rigged.

00:23:47.000 Meanwhile, one of the people running for governor in your race is Tom Steyer, who every so often just blows like $150 million on a political race in which he gets his ass kicked and trying to rig the election in his own favor by spending gobs of his own money, much of which was earned off of carbon based fossil fuels.

00:24:05.000 It's pretty astonishing stuff.

00:24:06.000 And simultaneously saying that the wealth tax isn't high enough.

00:24:10.000 In order to drive the other people who are actually innovating and earning in California out of the state.

00:24:14.000 Now, what do you make of your competitors in this race?

00:24:17.000 How do you view the race at this point?

00:24:20.000 So, one further point on Tom Steyer we all have to publish our taxes as candidates for governor.

00:24:26.000 Of all the candidates in the race, billionaire Tom Steyer, who rails against billionaires using tax loopholes to avoid paying taxes, actually pays the lowest effective tax rate because he's stashing his money away in tax loopholes and places like the Cayman Islands.

00:24:41.000 So, I mean, the whole thing is so ridiculous.

00:24:44.000 In terms of the race, I think where we are now is encouraging for those of us who want change in California, which, by the way, is a majority.

00:24:52.000 Just to be clear, the data on whether people think the state is going in the right direction or wrong direction has shifted very negatively against the Democrats.

00:25:00.000 During the last governor's race four years ago, the kind of right track, wrong track number, wrong track in California was a mid to high 40s.

00:25:08.000 Today, it's mid to high 50s.

00:25:10.000 There's a majority who want change.

00:25:12.000 That's why I know it's going to be difficult to win this year, but I think we've got an opportunity because people are sick of what's been going on.

00:25:18.000 In terms of the race, we got this ridiculous top two primary system.

00:25:22.000 The top two vote getters in the primary go forward regardless of.

00:25:25.000 Party.

00:25:26.000 Right now, I'm leading or tied for the lead in all of the polls.

00:25:29.000 There's another one out today that has me on 20%, Javier Becerra, Biden's former health secretary, on 20%, everyone else on 14% or below.

00:25:37.000 So that's encouraging, but there's a risk that actually, because of this system, if Tom Steyer dumps another $160 million into the race, which he could perfectly well do, he might go up a little bit.

00:25:51.000 The Democrat machine in California has kind of glommed onto Javier Becerra, who was down and out a few weeks ago before the swoll well.

00:26:00.000 Sleeze implosion.

00:26:01.000 But Becerra is like a dream come true for the California political machine because he's exactly what they want.

00:26:07.000 Just like Kamala Harris, just like Newsom, just like Bass, actually, just like Joe Biden.

00:26:12.000 He is a complete puppet, career politician who will just do whatever they say, whatever the unions want.

00:26:19.000 He doesn't really believe in anything other than his own political career.

00:26:22.000 And so they're excited for him.

00:26:24.000 No one else is, but the machine is.

00:26:26.000 And so you've got the unions all getting behind Becerra.

00:26:28.000 And so you could see him moving up a little bit.

00:26:31.000 Effectively, right now, you've got a top three.

00:26:33.000 In the race, myself, Becerra, and Tom Steyer.

00:26:37.000 If we can unite a little bit more strongly behind my campaign, then I'll be there probably against Becerra.

00:26:44.000 But you never know.

00:26:45.000 We've got a month to go.

00:26:46.000 The ballots are already out.

00:26:47.000 It's very important.

00:26:48.000 Everyone in California understands that we could be locked out and you could have two Democrats in the top two if we don't actually get behind the leading Republican, who very clearly now is me.

00:27:01.000 Now, Steve, I'm somebody who gave up the ghost on California a while back.

00:27:05.000 I took my family.

00:27:06.000 I moved out in 2020, figuring.

00:27:08.000 The slide was irreversible.

00:27:09.000 Our business moved to Tennessee.

00:27:11.000 I have pretty much all my relatives moved.

00:27:13.000 We still have relatives who are still back in California.

00:27:14.000 Every time I visit LA, it just feels like a living tragedy because obviously you're talking about one of the most beautiful places on earth in California, tremendous natural resources, and somehow governance has reduced it to a completely ungovernable mess.

00:27:27.000 So the question is obviously, it feels as though this election is sort of last chance saloon for California.

00:27:33.000 I keep hearing from my friends who have stayed in California, maybe it'll turn around, maybe it'll shift.

00:27:38.000 If it doesn't shift in this election, the question to me is when would it?

00:27:42.000 Is it possible that it ever would?

00:27:44.000 Or are we basically in a death spiral now?

00:27:47.000 I think that's exactly right.

00:27:48.000 I really do.

00:27:48.000 I mean, I remember when I launched the campaign, I said, look, it's now or never.

00:27:51.000 We really do have, because actually, there's so many people.

00:27:56.000 I'm on the road the whole time.

00:27:57.000 It's been a year now.

00:27:58.000 Businesses all over the state, not just high profile ones that make the headlines, so many businesses.

00:28:03.000 And people say to me, if you don't win, I'm out.

00:28:06.000 I'm hanging on.

00:28:07.000 I'm waiting to see if it's going to happen this time.

00:28:09.000 And then I'm out.

00:28:10.000 Business is more mobile than ever.

00:28:12.000 People can see that you can make a great business, start a business, grow a business, exactly as you have in other parts of the country.

00:28:20.000 The idea that you have to be in California just isn't real for a lot of people.

00:28:25.000 Of course, there are some businesses, you know, real estate and so on, they're going to stay and they're committed to trying to save the state.

00:28:31.000 But there's a real risk that we just fall off the cliff.

00:28:34.000 And so this is a make or break moment.

00:28:37.000 I think we can do it because of the fact that people are so sick of what's been going on.

00:28:42.000 We've got a couple of other factors in our favor.

00:28:44.000 In a midterm election, as you know, it's all about turnout, getting your voters out.

00:28:48.000 And there's a couple of ballot initiatives that have been confirmed for the ballot in November in California that will really help get Republicans' voters out because they're disproportionately popular among Republicans.

00:28:58.000 The first of them is a ballot initiative called Save Prop 13, which is about limiting local tax increases, property tax increases, and so on.

00:29:06.000 And then the one that's had more attention, voter ID.

00:29:09.000 Voter ID is going to be on the ballot in November.

00:29:11.000 That's really popular with Republicans.

00:29:13.000 So I think that we've got everything going for us. 0.94

00:29:16.000 The Democrat candidates are terrible.

00:29:19.000 In different ways, whether it's Becerra, who's just a complete. 0.76

00:29:22.000 I mean, even look how bad Becerra is. 0.76

00:29:25.000 Even his own former colleagues in the Biden administration are now leaking every day about what a useless cabinet secretary was. 0.98

00:29:32.000 I mean, if you're so bad that Joe Biden thinks you're incompetent, then you know, you got problems. 0.96

00:29:38.000 And then, of course, Steyer, who's even worse.

00:29:41.000 As I say, if you think it can't get any worse in California, I've got two words for you Tom Steyer.

00:29:47.000 These candidates are beatable.

00:29:48.000 And so, I think this absolutely could be a year.

00:29:51.000 Look at Spencer Pratt generating huge bars and energy in LA, tapping into the rage of what happened there with Karen Bass.

00:29:57.000 Look, it's not going to be easy.

00:29:58.000 I've never said that.

00:29:59.000 It's going to be difficult.

00:30:00.000 But we've got a lot of support growing.

00:30:02.000 We've got the business community engaged in politics in California for the first time in at least 20 years, partially prompted by this insane wealth tax proposal.

00:30:11.000 So, look, we can do it.

00:30:13.000 I really believe we can do it, but it's going to be hard.

00:30:15.000 We've got to fight for it.

00:30:17.000 That's Steve Hilton.

00:30:18.000 Steve, where should people go to support your campaign?

00:30:21.000 Thank you, Ben.

00:30:21.000 Steve Hilton for governor.com.

00:30:23.000 F O R. Steve Hilton for governor.com.

00:30:26.000 But most importantly, vote.

00:30:28.000 We got a month of early voting.

00:30:28.000 The ballots are out.

00:30:30.000 It's already started.

00:30:31.000 It's not going to happen unless people actually go out and vote for it.

00:30:35.000 Well, that's Steve Hilton.

00:30:36.000 Steve, really appreciate the time and good luck.

00:30:38.000 In a second, we'll get to the Marxist belief that somehow souls are transformed as soon as you get rid of capitalism.

00:30:45.000 Plus, what should President Trump do on Iran?

00:30:48.000 And we'll get to Mark Hamill, who has joined the dark side.

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00:31:54.000 So, you know, to go back to what's happening, I think it's important to note that.

00:31:59.000 The places like California that have decided to follow the AOC Bernie Sanders wealth is terrible, innovation is awful, it's all theft path, they are losing people, they are losing income.

00:32:11.000 This is a chart of AGI gained or lost in states that Trump won in 2024 versus states that he lost.

00:32:19.000 This would be the income that is being gained or lost.

00:32:24.000 And what you can see is massive gains in the red states and massive losses in the blue states.

00:32:32.000 Amounting to some $2 trillion gained in the Trump states and almost $2 trillion lost in the blue states.

00:32:40.000 That is because business owners, people who innovate, are fleeing places that hate them.

00:32:45.000 By the way, the lost leaders, places like California, which lost $503 billion in AGI, and New York, which lost $660 billion in AGI.

00:32:54.000 And they keep running this down.

00:32:55.000 So the question is why?

00:32:57.000 The question is why?

00:32:58.000 Why do they keep doing this?

00:32:59.000 And it can only be envy.

00:33:02.000 It can only be envy.

00:33:04.000 It can't be efficacy.

00:33:07.000 People on the right, whenever we argue in favor of free markets, we typically argue in utilitarian fashion about free markets, that free markets work better.

00:33:15.000 Than socialism and regulation and subsidization and government control.

00:33:18.000 And that's true.

00:33:19.000 But in the end, the argument that is being made by AOC, Bernie, Tom Steyer, Katie Porter, like all these people, the arguments that are being made are not, in fact, utilitarian arguments.

00:33:30.000 They're not saying socialism will work better.

00:33:32.000 Socialism is not going to provide you a 40 hour work week with a vacation and rent and food in a better way than capitalism.

00:33:39.000 It will not work that way.

00:33:40.000 What they are promising is something different.

00:33:42.000 They're making a moral indictment of people who are rich.

00:33:45.000 They're saying that when you become rich, you become evil and corrupt and terrible.

00:33:48.000 Right.

00:33:49.000 That is why she doesn't say if you earn $100,000, AOC, she doesn't say if you earn $100,000, then you have been corrupt.

00:33:57.000 She says if you earn a billion dollars, you've been corrupt.

00:33:59.000 There comes some point, a tipping point, at which your greed takes over.

00:34:04.000 And if only we change the systems under which you live, then the heart of man itself would change.

00:34:08.000 The promise of Marxism is not a better future.

00:34:12.000 The promise of Marxism is a better human being.

00:34:14.000 That was always the promise of Marxism.

00:34:16.000 And it is a lie.

00:34:17.000 It is untrue.

00:34:18.000 Human beings are human beings wherever you go.

00:34:20.000 Human nature is human nature wherever you go.

00:34:24.000 And the reality is that the moral status that Marxism tries to claim, the idea that you are more altruistic, that you're a better person if you believe in redistributionism, is a lie.

00:34:36.000 Free markets are just.

00:34:38.000 Free markets are good.

00:34:40.000 Free markets are based on a simple principle.

00:34:43.000 You, as an individual, have creative power in the universe.

00:34:47.000 You are made in the image of God.

00:34:49.000 You have control over your autonomy.

00:34:51.000 You have the ability to control your labor and alienate it.

00:34:53.000 Your innovation is your own, and you ought to own it.

00:34:57.000 The principle of justice is that people get what they have coming to them.

00:35:03.000 Right?

00:35:04.000 That is the principle of justice.

00:35:06.000 Justice is not the idea that you have an idea of what the world should be.

00:35:10.000 And if you don't get that thing, then justice has not been achieved.

00:35:13.000 Thomas Sowell, the economist, he properly observed in his fabulous book, The Quest for Cosmic Justice Justice is a process and not an outcome.

00:35:21.000 We are not God, that we can simply say, let there be equality or let there be justice.

00:35:25.000 We must begin with the universe that we were born into and weigh the costs of making any specific change in it.

00:35:29.000 To achieve a specific end.

00:35:33.000 Private property is a good.

00:35:35.000 It is not a bad.

00:35:36.000 It is a good.

00:35:37.000 It is good that there are billionaires because a society that has in a free market billionaires means there are a lot of people who are millionaires.

00:35:43.000 It means there are a lot of people who are making $100,000.

00:35:46.000 And it means that everybody is wealthier than they were the day before.

00:35:51.000 Why?

00:35:51.000 Because of innovation.

00:35:53.000 And I can't say this enough.

00:35:55.000 There are time machines on planet Earth.

00:35:56.000 They're called airplanes.

00:35:57.000 Take an airplane to a third world country that does not protect private property, that does not believe in equal rights before the law. 0.73

00:36:04.000 And see how it works out for you. 0.96

00:36:06.000 It's terrible.

00:36:07.000 It's truly awful.

00:36:08.000 Meanwhile, you're living here in the United States, the greatest country in the history of mankind.

00:36:14.000 And you have a magical device that you carry around in your pocket every day, filled with more technology than the tech that was used to put a man on the moon.

00:36:23.000 And you're carrying that around every day.

00:36:24.000 And you can hit a button on that phone, and a product will be magically delivered to you without any effort on your part other than hitting the button.

00:36:32.000 And that product will have been sourced from 80 different countries, and you'll never know about it.

00:36:36.000 That's the power of free markets.

00:36:38.000 And that's rooted again in your specific priorities.

00:36:41.000 You're not a victim in the system.

00:36:43.000 You get to decide what you want to buy.

00:36:44.000 You get to decide what you want to sell.

00:36:46.000 You get to decide how much you're going to spend for a thing or whether you don't want to spend that much money for a thing.

00:36:52.000 The theory of marginal value, right?

00:36:56.000 The idea that you as an individual get to decide what a thing is worth to you is the basis for free market economics, meaning that it is the most individualistic system that has ever been conceived of by mankind.

00:37:09.000 We didn't even properly understand it until the works of Ludwig von Mises and von Boerck in the late 19th, early 20th century.

00:37:18.000 And the basic idea is this a glass of water, what is it worth to you?

00:37:23.000 Now, in the United States, on a typical day, probably not all that much, right?

00:37:27.000 You can go to a tap, you can open up the tap, you can put some water in it. 0.63

00:37:29.000 If you were in the Sahara, it would be worth literally all of your wealth because otherwise you would die. 0.73

00:37:35.000 Does that mean that the water changed value or does it mean that your value on the water changed?

00:37:41.000 Your value on the water changed.

00:37:42.000 And that's what price systems do.

00:37:44.000 We aggregate the value in the time and then we figure out what the average person is willing to pay, basically.

00:37:51.000 That is good.

00:37:52.000 It is better.

00:37:52.000 You innovate.

00:37:53.000 You compete.

00:37:54.000 Things get better.

00:37:57.000 So it is not just a utilitarian case.

00:37:59.000 It is a moral case.

00:38:00.000 And again, the left hates that moral case.

00:38:03.000 They want something completely different.

00:38:05.000 And meanwhile, the left is getting more and more radical.

00:38:08.000 The left is getting more and more violent in its perception of the world.

00:38:12.000 Mark Hamill put out a post.

00:38:15.000 Mark Hamill, of course, is most famous for playing Luke Skywalker.

00:38:20.000 He also was the voice of the Joker in the Batman series.

00:38:22.000 This is much.

00:38:23.000 Closer to the Joker than it is to Luke Skywalker.

00:38:27.000 He put out a photo of President Trump in sort of an AI painting of President Trump dead, like lying in the ground with flowers growing on him and a gravestone atop him that says Donald J. Trump, 1946 to 2024.

00:38:43.000 And he put out a statement on Blue Sky, which is Twitter for leftist crazy people If only he should live long enough to witness his inevitable, devastating loss in the midterms, be held accountable for his unprecedented corruption, impeached, convicted, and humiliated for his countless crimes.

00:38:58.000 Long enough to realize he'll be disgraced in the history books forevermore.

00:39:03.000 Okay, he then deleted it.

00:39:05.000 Putting up pictures of your political opponent dead, typically a bad thing.

00:39:10.000 Now, it was just a couple of days ago that Barack Obama was with Mark Hamill at the Obama Presidential Center.

00:39:21.000 Happy Star Wars Day from the Obama Presidential Center.

00:39:25.000 I have a very good feeling about this.

00:39:29.000 Mark, I am glad you are here.

00:39:31.000 I want to tell you about someone.

00:39:33.000 Okay.

00:39:34.000 A young person born into ordinary circumstances, but restless, unsatisfied.

00:39:40.000 A kid with big dreams, a bit of a rebel.

00:39:44.000 I like where this is going.

00:39:45.000 They join a scrappy group of underdogs and set out to change things.

00:39:50.000 By blowing up a giant space laser?

00:39:52.000 No.

00:39:54.000 Mark, this is not about you.

00:39:57.000 As wonderful as you are, this is about them.

00:40:00.000 This isn't a monument to my legacy.

00:40:03.000 It's a gateway to you.

00:40:03.000 It's about him.

00:40:05.000 The Obama Presidential Center is much more than a museum.

00:40:08.000 It is an entire campus built to empower you.

00:40:12.000 A place to come together, get inspired, and become a force for change.

00:40:19.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:20.000 It's the Zoolander School for kids who can't read good.

00:40:21.000 How long the dad jokes are.

00:40:26.000 That's perfect.

00:40:29.000 My favorite thing about Obama there is that he's like, Mark, it's not about you.

00:40:33.000 It's about me.

00:40:35.000 That's literally what he's saying.

00:40:36.000 You know, a scrappy underdog grew up.

00:40:40.000 But again, the left, mostly fine with this sort of thing these days.

00:40:45.000 Kathy Griffin, who was last seen holding up a mock up of the severed head of Donald Trump, you remember that during term one. 0.99

00:40:51.000 Well, now she is out there making fun of Erica Kirk, which has become a sport. 0.52

00:40:54.000 I have to say, the sport of making fun of Erica Kirk is one of the sickest things I have seen in modern American politics. 0.99

00:40:59.000 It is disgusting. 1.00

00:41:01.000 It's disgusting. 0.97

00:41:02.000 You don't have to love Charlie Kirk. 0.80

00:41:03.000 You don't have to like Erica Kirk.

00:41:04.000 You don't have to do any of those things. 0.98

00:41:05.000 But making fun of the widow of a guy who got shot in the neck live on camera. 0.77

00:41:10.000 Is insane.

00:41:11.000 It's totally crazy.

00:41:12.000 And the fact that this has become a sport for people on the right and on the left is sick.

00:41:17.000 I mean, truly vile. 0.55

00:41:19.000 Here's Kathy Griffin doing a Candace Owens. 0.99

00:41:23.000 There's always new things happening. 0.99

00:41:26.000 I mean, who knows how many assassination attempts there could be just in the next day or how many times Erica Kirk is going to switch from her sparkle pants to that weird video that she made that's just bizarre.

00:41:40.000 It's kind of a close up, like a zoom in.

00:41:42.000 Shot of her face.

00:41:44.000 Nothing will ever be enough for the evil in this world. 0.61

00:41:47.000 Our country has become unrecognizable.

00:41:50.000 Wasn't that Erica Kirk video weird? 0.71

00:41:52.000 Her being not girly and looking like, I don't even know what, like a sniper. 1.00

00:41:58.000 She looks like she's going to an anti ICE protest, which is something she would not do.

00:42:03.000 Look, I'm done giving her a pass, all right?

00:42:06.000 I knew Charlie Kirk.

00:42:07.000 I did a panel with him one time and his squished in face. 0.93

00:42:11.000 And yeah, I said that because that dude was a straight up Nazi.

00:42:16.000 She had a panel with a Nazi?

00:42:17.000 Why was she doing panels with Nazis?

00:42:18.000 She probably shouldn't do that.

00:42:19.000 It's so insane. 0.76

00:42:20.000 But unfortunately, the Democratic Party has moved in an incredibly radical direction.

00:42:26.000 The sort of normie Hollywood Democrat has moved into an insane direction these days, which is really quite bad for the country.

00:42:35.000 Now, there are still some normies.

00:42:37.000 There are still some normies.

00:42:38.000 They exist.

00:42:39.000 John Fetterman, again, I cite him as the normie because he is one.

00:42:43.000 Again, I disagree with him on a lot of his politics.

00:42:45.000 He voted 90% in favor of Joe Biden's policies, but he's not a nut job.

00:42:49.000 He put out a piece at the Washington Post saying, I haven't changed.

00:42:53.000 Here's what has.

00:42:53.000 He said, Though I was elected as a Democrat, I'm proud to serve all Pennsylvanians.

00:42:57.000 It has become increasingly lonely to serve in that way, but I firmly believe it's what's needed.

00:43:01.000 My party cannot simply be the opposite of whatever President Donald Trump says.

00:43:05.000 The president could come out for ice cream and lazy Sundays, and my party would suddenly hate them.

00:43:09.000 Such pointless pile ons and attacks are unproductive.

00:43:11.000 The American people want us to work together to find solutions on issues they and our country face.

00:43:16.000 And he says it wasn't long ago when Democrats supported things like a secure border or avoiding government shutdowns or Israel.

00:43:22.000 He says those once common views have become increasingly toxic in the Democratic Party, a result of catering to the fringe and agitated parts of our base.

00:43:31.000 He's right.

00:43:32.000 He is correct, obviously.

00:43:34.000 We need more Democrats like that and less of the nuttiness.

00:43:37.000 And meanwhile, the fight over redistricting continues.

00:43:41.000 Tennessee Republicans yesterday passed a new gerrymander following the Supreme Court ruling on the Voting Rights Act.

00:43:48.000 So, again, that ruling just said that you're not allowed to draw districts specifically in order to benefit one particular racial group.

00:43:57.000 So now Tennessee is a 9 0 Republican state.

00:44:02.000 They're basically redistricting Representative Steve Cohen out of his seat.

00:44:06.000 He was representing a majority black district.

00:44:10.000 They split up the majority black Shelby County.

00:44:14.000 It also divides Maury County, which delivers a more favorable district to a guy named Andy Ogles in Tennessee.

00:44:20.000 You can see the map before and after.

00:44:23.000 Again, not totally unreasonable maps, really, either way.

00:44:27.000 Very likely this is upheld, but the idea is on the part of Democrats that this is un American.

00:44:33.000 So again, according to Democrats, totally American to do this in Virginia, a 55 45 state, totally un American to do this in Tennessee, a 60 40 state.

00:44:44.000 Here is Representative Justin Jones lighting a Confederate flag on fire in the state capitol.

00:44:48.000 I wasn't aware that a lot of people are in love with the Confederate flag these days, but okay.

00:45:06.000 Oh, the performativeness.

00:45:07.000 And then he decided to curse out a state trooper because it's the state trooper's fault somehow.

00:45:13.000 This is Justin Pearson.

00:45:22.000 What is wrong with you?

00:45:25.000 What is wrong with you? 1.00

00:45:26.000 You stupid motherfucker. 1.00

00:45:32.000 Shouting at state troopers. 1.00

00:45:34.000 That is a way to do it.

00:45:35.000 That sounds amazing.

00:45:37.000 Justin Pearson, one of the most hilarious people in American politics.

00:45:40.000 I just want to show you a video of Justin Pearson in 2016 versus yesterday.

00:45:48.000 Justin J. Pearson, and I'm running for president of BSG.

00:45:52.000 Few reasons that we're running this campaign this year.

00:45:54.000 One has to do with representation.

00:45:57.000 How can we represent all voices in a conversation?

00:46:00.000 I want to do this by partnering with organizations from the Boden Democrats to the Boden Republicans.

00:46:05.000 I want to bring together different voices, dissenting voices, voices that may be more liberal or more conservative, in order that we can reach a point of sort of the radical middle.

00:46:15.000 Here, you've had three strike laws, mass incarceration, denied us of who we are, and we are still here.

00:46:22.000 And today, you're going to take.

00:46:25.000 The only majority black district from us. 0.85

00:46:27.000 But I want you to know, and I want my nephews, sons, and the future to know no matter what you do, no matter how much you try and break us and make us bid and make us quit, we will still be here.

00:46:41.000 A lot of politicians are frustrated theater kids.

00:46:46.000 That is for sure. 0.99

00:46:46.000 Stacey Abrams, the governor of Georgia. 0.99

00:46:49.000 Remember that time that she claimed she was governor of Georgia for years and years after losing a gubernatorial race?

00:46:53.000 And then she was on Star Trek for no reason?

00:46:55.000 Yeah, that was funny.

00:46:55.000 Remember that?

00:46:56.000 Well, now she says there are no longer any blue or red states.

00:46:59.000 They're only democracy or authoritarian states.

00:47:02.000 So, which does Virginia count as precisely?

00:47:06.000 What we have to understand is that there are no longer blue states and red states.

00:47:11.000 There are authoritarian states and democracy states.

00:47:15.000 There are states that do not believe in the right of the people to have a say, who want to aggregate power and foment corruption.

00:47:23.000 And there are states that want to guarantee that in this country, We have free and fair elections.

00:47:29.000 We have access to the remedies that democracy is supposed to deliver.

00:47:33.000 And that no matter what goes wrong in one part of the country, the quality of your citizenship does not depend on your zip code and your geography.

00:47:43.000 No, the quality of your authoritarianness apparently depends on your zip code.

00:47:48.000 Because, again, the idea is if Democrats do it, it's fine.

00:47:50.000 If Republicans do it, it's not.

00:47:51.000 Here's my general view of redistricting.

00:47:53.000 I've said it over and over and over again totally legal.

00:47:55.000 It's fine.

00:47:56.000 Don't care all that much.

00:47:57.000 Honestly, I really don't.

00:47:59.000 California redistricting, Texas redistricting.

00:48:02.000 I mean, okay.

00:48:02.000 All right.

00:48:05.000 I do not have a strong opinion as to the idea that states should never redistrict.

00:48:11.000 And it seems to me what's good for the goose is good for the gander and vice versa.

00:48:14.000 Now, speaking of that Virginia redistricting map, the map was not ruled unconstitutional today.

00:48:20.000 The actual referendum was ruled unconstitutional.

00:48:22.000 So, what I mean by this is it's not the actual map that the Democrats drew in Virginia that the court struck down.

00:48:28.000 What actually happened is that the Democrats put up a referendum on the ballot in Virginia.

00:48:33.000 That said, the goal is to quote unquote restore fairness.

00:48:36.000 So that was misleading, the court found.

00:48:38.000 They found that that referendum did not, in fact, restore fairness.

00:48:40.000 It basically reduced 45% of the voting population of the state of Virginia into one district.

00:48:49.000 So, like 9% of the congressional delegation.

00:48:52.000 Okay, so what they found is that there are a few violations here that the Democratic Party pursued in order to ram through this redistricting.

00:49:00.000 And these were procedural hurdles.

00:49:02.000 One, the actual referendum itself was poorly worded and illegitimate.

00:49:07.000 Second, the Virginia Constitution dictates that a proposed amendment must be approved by a majority of members elected to each of the two houses in two separate legislative sessions, and there has to be an intervening general session of the House of Delegates between those two approvals.

00:49:22.000 The goal there would be to, again, have any amendment approved over a course of time instead of just immediately slam bang.

00:49:28.000 Okay, but this was an amendment to the Virginia Constitution that apparently violated all of those rules.

00:49:37.000 They found that they did not actually adhere to the requirements of the Virginia Constitution.

00:49:41.000 And so they struck down what happened in Virginia in the redistricting case.

00:49:44.000 Now, it doesn't mean that Democrats can't try to find another way around it or that the map itself, they ruled on.

00:49:50.000 They didn't rule on the map itself.

00:49:51.000 They said the process by which the map was rammed into law was flawed.

00:49:58.000 And meanwhile, there is some action in the Middle East.

00:50:03.000 So the Iranians, according to President Trump, are making concessions.

00:50:07.000 And then the day after, they are walking back those concessions. 0.97

00:50:09.000 I'm not sure what messages are being conveyed to the president by Pakistan, which is not a good actor here. 0.56

00:50:14.000 Pakistan is just a cutout for China, by the way. 0.95

00:50:16.000 I don't know what sort of carrot he thinks he is being dangled by the Iranians. 1.00

00:50:21.000 I do not believe that they are in a mood to make any sort of serious concessions. 1.00

00:50:25.000 I think they are BSing him in an attempt to basically drain away support.

00:50:30.000 I think that's what's actually happening.

00:50:31.000 Let's be clear, by the way, what's actually happening right now.

00:50:32.000 A lot of people say, oh my gosh, we are months into this war.

00:50:36.000 If by war you mean we have not run a full scale air raid, On Iran in weeks at this point, and we just have ships that are parked off the coast of Iran, and this somehow counts to you as a gigantic war.

00:50:52.000 The definition of war has changed somewhat, it seems to me.

00:50:56.000 Nonetheless, here was the president yesterday being asked about Iran's previous concessions.

00:51:01.000 Well, it's more than a one page offer.

00:51:03.000 It's an offer that basically said they will not have nuclear weapons, they're going to hand us the nuclear dust, and many other things that we want.

00:51:13.000 Yeah, David.

00:51:14.000 When they agree, it doesn't mean much because the next day they forgot they agreed.

00:51:20.000 Now, again, I think that one of the things that is probably happening here is people are saying this to the president.

00:51:24.000 I don't know whether it's the Chinese or the Pakistanis or the vice president who's leading negotiations or any of the rest.

00:51:29.000 I don't know.

00:51:30.000 But my guess is that Abbas Araki, the foreign minister, is spewing a bunch of BS, and then the U.S. is taking that seriously, and then the IRGC is like, yeah, we're not doing any of that.

00:51:39.000 That is likely what is happening right now.

00:51:41.000 Well, yesterday, according to the president, three world class American destroyers just transited very successfully out of the Strait of Hormuz under fire.

00:51:49.000 There was no damage done to the three destroyers, but great damage done to the Iranian attackers.

00:51:53.000 They were completely destroyed, along with numerous small boats, which are being used to take the place of their fully decapitated navy.

00:51:59.000 These boats went to the bottom of the sea quickly and efficiently.

00:52:01.000 Missiles were shot at our destroyers and were easily knocked down.

00:52:03.000 Likewise, drones came and were incinerated while in the air.

00:52:06.000 They dropped ever so beautifully down to the ocean, very much like a butterfly dropping to its grave.

00:52:11.000 Beautiful poetry there from the president. 0.96

00:52:13.000 He says a normal country would have allowed these destroyers to pass, but Iran is not a normal country. 1.00

00:52:17.000 They are led by lunatics. 0.98

00:52:18.000 And if they had a chance to use a nuclear weapon, they would do it without question. 1.00

00:52:21.000 But they'll never have that opportunity.

00:52:23.000 And just like we knocked him out again today, we'll knock him out a lot harder and a lot more violently in the future if they don't get their deal signed fast.

00:52:29.000 Our three destroyers with their wonderful crews will now rejoin our naval blockade, which is truly a wall of steel, President Trump.

00:52:35.000 So, what is he talking about?

00:52:37.000 Well, apparently, yesterday, according to the Wall Street Journal, there was an explosion on the Bachman Pier on Iran's Kesham Island in the Strait of Hormuz during exchanges of fire between Iranian forces and what state media described as enemy forces that would be the United States.

00:52:49.000 The pier had been targeted several times during the war with Israel.

00:52:52.000 Several explosions were also heard in Banzar Abbas, according to the semi official TASNIM news agency, which is affiliated with the IRGC.

00:52:59.000 Iranian state media said that Iran's military fired ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and suicide drones at warships.

00:53:04.000 Keshem Island is located in the Strait of Hormuz, and it is used as a launching point for drones and missiles against shipping.

00:53:12.000 All this came after earlier yesterday, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait lifted restrictions on the U.S. military's use of their bases in airspace imposed after Project Freedom, which was a way to open the Strait of Hormuz.

00:53:24.000 Why did that happen?

00:53:25.000 Well, apparently, Saudi and Kuwait blocked the U.S. military's use of bases after senior American officials played down Iranian attacks on the Persian Gulf in reaction to the operation in the Strait.

00:53:36.000 The Saudis and other Gulf states were concerned the U.S. would not protect them amid the escalation in fighting, according to officials.

00:53:41.000 And again, here is a map that you can see of the strikes.

00:53:44.000 That's the Strait of Hormuz.

00:53:45.000 For those who can't see the map, this is one reason you should subscribe and watch, so you can actually watch, you know, you can look at the maps that we're looking at.

00:53:52.000 But this is kind of the narrowest portion of the Strait of Hormuz.

00:53:55.000 Bandar Abbas is located on the Iranian coast and sort of the north side of the Strait of Hormuz.

00:54:00.000 And then there's Kesham Island, which is a rather longish island that is located one third of the way down the Strait of Hormuz.

00:54:07.000 And so that's the area that was bombed yesterday.

00:54:11.000 Well, the U.S. ambassador to the UN, Mike Waltz, suggests that Iran is trying to force people to pay tolls, and that's unacceptable.

00:54:20.000 Just this week, Iran's own state media announced that the regime has launched what it calls the Persian Gulf Straits Authority, where it seeks to demand that all ship captains from international shipping, commercial shipping, civilian shipping, basically have to check in.

00:54:41.000 And pay a bribe, pay a toll in order to use these international waterways.

00:54:46.000 So that doesn't just affect this region, it infects the entire world.

00:54:53.000 Now, again, one of the things that just continues here is the fact that we are blockading their oil. 0.68

00:54:59.000 According to CENTCOM, there are currently more than 70 tankers U.S. forces are preventing from entering or leaving Iranian ports.

00:55:05.000 Those commercial ships have the capacity to transport over 166 million barrels of Iranian oil worth an estimated $13 billion plus.

00:55:14.000 The president yesterday said they trifled with us.

00:55:15.000 There's still a ceasefire.

00:55:16.000 And I know this is boggling a lot of brains.

00:55:18.000 Why is there still a ceasefire?

00:55:19.000 How is it a ceasefire?

00:55:19.000 We're firing at them.

00:55:20.000 They're firing at us.

00:55:21.000 Why is there still a ceasefire? 0.64

00:55:22.000 And the answer is every day that goes by, Iran gets weaker.

00:55:27.000 That is just the reality.

00:55:28.000 Apparently, there was an oil spill off the coast of Karga Island.

00:55:33.000 Why is that happening?

00:55:34.000 Because they have no place to put the oil.

00:55:36.000 They have no storage facility.

00:55:37.000 They're literally just dumping oil into the water at this point because they've run out of storage facility, apparently.

00:55:42.000 Here's the president yesterday.

00:55:45.000 Is the ceasefire with Iran still on?

00:55:48.000 Yeah, it is. 0.99

00:55:49.000 They trifled with us today.

00:55:51.000 We blew them away.

00:55:53.000 They trifled.

00:55:54.000 I call that a trifle.

00:55:55.000 I'll let you know when there's no ceasefire.

00:55:57.000 You won't have to know.

00:55:58.000 If there's no ceasefire, you're not going to have to know. 0.95

00:56:00.000 You're just going to have to look at one big glow coming out of Iran. 0.85

00:56:06.000 Okay, now again, everyone is pretending that something horrible is happening, and the economy continues to chug.

00:56:12.000 Everybody's pretending as though the economy is on its last legs here in the United States. 0.80

00:56:15.000 No, the Iranian economy is on its last legs.

00:56:18.000 But Don't worry, you have Kamala Harris here to do propaganda work on behalf of the Iranian regime.

00:56:24.000 This war in Iran, which the American people do not want, which was not authorized by conference, but even if it was, it should not have been initiated.

00:56:35.000 He talked about obliterating, and then he said, Oh, he did. 0.89

00:56:38.000 This all just. 0.87

00:56:42.000 She's awful. 0.99

00:56:49.000 She's so awful. 1.00

00:56:50.000 She has to like crowd test whether to say bullshit. 1.00

00:56:52.000 Or not. 1.00

00:56:52.000 It's insane. 1.00

00:56:54.000 Okay, so the question everybody keeps asking is how does this come to its end? 0.83

00:56:58.000 Okay, so just to reiterate, here are the goals prevent Iran from ever having a nuclear weapon, destroy their ballistic missile umbrella because the ballistic missile umbrella allows them to develop a nuclear weapon, and end their support for international terrorism, right? 0.90

00:57:10.000 End their spreading of their tentacles around the Middle East. 0.93

00:57:14.000 There are only two ways to achieve these goals in the long term. 0.94

00:57:19.000 In the long term, one, Iran agrees to it, two, regime change. 0.50

00:57:23.000 Now, the president has been focused a lot on one, the idea that Iran is going to agree to it.

00:57:27.000 It'll be like Venezuela.

00:57:28.000 Basically, the Venezuelan regime. 0.74

00:57:31.000 Is evil but rational.

00:57:34.000 The current regime realizes that it is better to continue to exist and control the country and give way to the United States than to not exist.

00:57:42.000 And so we're trying to model what we do with Iran and what we do with Venezuela.

00:57:45.000 The difference is socialist slash communist regimes are evil but exist in the realm of rationality.

00:57:51.000 Obviously, that is not true of the IRGC.

00:57:53.000 The IRGC is much more like Hitler at the end of World War II in the bunker or like the Japanese generals who tried to prevent the surrender of Japan after the nuclear bombs were dropped.

00:58:05.000 Okay, so that means that the regime needs to change.

00:58:08.000 But here's the thing the regime does not have to fall like right away.

00:58:10.000 We don't have to launch tens of thousands of troops into Iran to achieve immediate regime change.

00:58:15.000 If you can deprive Iran of its nuclear development long enough for the regime to fall, if you can keep their ballistic missile arsenal degraded long enough for the regime to fall, if you can degrade their economy long enough for the regime to fall, you win. 0.52

00:58:28.000 I've been saying this all along. 0.86

00:58:29.000 It may not take just this in order for Iran to fall. 0.94

00:58:33.000 Maybe six months later it falls. 0.91

00:58:34.000 Maybe a year later it falls.

00:58:35.000 That would be a win.

00:58:36.000 That's why I've said many times you cannot adjudicate whether.

00:58:40.000 This action was a victory or a failure for probably months to years afterward.

00:58:46.000 And by the way, that's usually true with wars.

00:58:48.000 Since the end of World War II with an actual surrender, it's taken a while to determine whether a thing is a victory or a loss.

00:58:54.000 For example, when we had an armistice in Korea, was that a victory or a loss?

00:58:58.000 Well, it turns out, in retrospect, pretty large victory because South Korea exists and has been a thriving place.

00:59:04.000 Okay, so how can Iran survive, right? 0.93

00:59:06.000 Which is the way that they are able to continue being a threat, only by pushing the United States off the ball. 0.97

00:59:12.000 And that means they're going to try to wait us out.

00:59:14.000 They think that if they can get us to just go home, pack up and go home, then they might be able to rebuild their export economy and rebuild their nuclear facilities and rebuild their missile facilities.

00:59:23.000 And we're right back where we were a few years ago in five or 10 years.

00:59:28.000 That's their whole game.

00:59:30.000 But we could end American serious involvement in the next three weeks with prospective victory if we want to.

00:59:36.000 There are options.

00:59:37.000 So let me just spell out one, one creative option.

00:59:40.000 So again, they are relying on the idea they can rebuild their economy.

00:59:40.000 Okay.

00:59:44.000 What if we just said, no, you're never rebuilding your economy, you're toast.

00:59:47.000 Unless you actually reintegrate into the world economy, you're done. 0.96

00:59:52.000 And the way you do that is you destroy Kharg Island. 0.99

00:59:54.000 Kharg Island is where all of their refineries are.

00:59:57.000 And you go after the rest of their energy fields as well.

00:59:59.000 That is the next bank of targets.

01:00:01.000 Literally the next bank of targets.

01:00:02.000 Let's say we destroy all of that.

01:00:04.000 What does that mean? 0.99

01:00:05.000 Well, that essentially dooms the Iranian regime to a forever future of poverty because they're not going to be reintegrated into the world economy.

01:00:11.000 And now they have no oil exports, even to China or Japan. 0.98

01:00:15.000 It means no money for their IRGC thugs. 0.98

01:00:17.000 It means no possible recovery. 0.99

01:00:19.000 It means a death spiral.

01:00:21.000 So, why don't we do that? 0.75

01:00:23.000 Well, the reason that we don't do it is because Iran has essentially two points of leverage.

01:00:27.000 One, of course, is the Strait of Hormuz, as we've been discussing. 0.50

01:00:30.000 And the second would be the threat to destroy oil facilities in places like Saudi, Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain.

01:00:35.000 Both of these things are solvable.

01:00:38.000 So, take the second first UAE is willing to undergo the threat of Iranian drones and missiles in order to permanently defang the regime. 0.73

01:00:45.000 They've made this clear.

01:00:46.000 Actually, so has Saudi. 0.57

01:00:48.000 And the U.S. can, in fact, clear the Strait of Hormuz.

01:00:51.000 We started doing this with Project Freedom earlier this week. 0.98

01:00:53.000 That's why the Iranians freaked out and started trying to fire at the Saudis and at UAE. 0.98

01:00:58.000 So, why didn't we continue with Project Freedom? 0.70

01:01:00.000 Well, again, the reason is, according to contemporaneous reports, that the Saudis were fine with Project Freedom until the Iranians threatened retaliation.

01:01:09.000 And it wasn't the retaliation that scared the Saudis.

01:01:11.000 It was that the United States apparently said that if that happened, we would still continue to pretend that the ceasefire continued with the negotiation.

01:01:17.000 So, first thing we need to do, stop with that nonsense.

01:01:20.000 Stop with it.

01:01:21.000 And the negotiations are not ongoing.

01:01:23.000 Certainly not publicly.

01:01:25.000 If they wish to give up the ghost, they can do it.

01:01:27.000 But this idea that we have to constantly say we're in a ceasefire in order to continue negotiations is nonsense.

01:01:32.000 They can negotiate under fire, it's fine.

01:01:35.000 The UAE, meanwhile, was still willing to undergo all of those conditions.

01:01:39.000 Okay, so you have to, like, the UAE did not deprive the United States of the use of its airspace, even with the threat of Iranian retaliation and the reality that the United States was saying, if you get hit, you can't retaliate.

01:01:53.000 So why was the UAE acting differently than Saudi?

01:01:55.000 Well, the answer is that the UAE and Saudi are differently situated geopolitically.

01:02:00.000 Why?

01:02:01.000 Well, because UAE has, we found out this week, Israel's Iron Dome and Iron Beam to shoot down drones and missiles.

01:02:08.000 Why does UAE have it and Saudi doesn't? 0.81

01:02:10.000 Well, that's because UAE signed the Abraham Accords. 0.52

01:02:14.000 By the way, that's also why Iran has targeted UAE disproportionately.

01:02:18.000 See, here's the thing the UAE, the leadership there, quite smart.

01:02:21.000 They discovered the magic of alliance with Israel because the UAE has a lot of oil.

01:02:26.000 But the world is moving away from oil in the Middle East.

01:02:30.000 The United States is a massive developer of oil and natural gas at this point.

01:02:34.000 So, UAE is starting to do what all smart investors do they're diversifying.

01:02:39.000 They're taking their money and they're putting it in tech.

01:02:42.000 They're allying with a country with massive military capacity.

01:02:45.000 They're allying with the best offensive force in the region.

01:02:48.000 UAE knows, again, that the oil economy may be degrading over time.

01:02:52.000 They're looking to invest those assets in other assets, like, for example, tech.

01:02:55.000 And Israel gives them an amazing way to do that.

01:02:58.000 So, UAE is not all that fearful of what Iran is going to do of them.

01:03:01.000 They have money invested in other places.

01:03:03.000 They have deals with the United States, with Israel, and they have Iron Beam and Iron Dome, which allow them to shoot down more of the stuff. 0.93

01:03:09.000 The Saudis, meanwhile, have been, shall we say, dilly dallying. 0.82

01:03:15.000 They've held out on the Abraham Accords. 0.81

01:03:18.000 Instead of using their oil money to invest in, say, tech, they've mainly used it to invest in entertainment, in building useless cities in the desert that will never be visited, in the live tour.

01:03:28.000 That is a mistake. 0.68

01:03:30.000 And the Saudis have been pursuing that mistake because they are afraid of open alliance with Israel. 0.52

01:03:34.000 They're afraid of joining the Abraham Accords. 0.68

01:03:35.000 They think that somehow that will undercut their claim to leadership in the Islamic world.

01:03:39.000 But they are wrong.

01:03:40.000 They're not just wrong economically, they're also wrong militarily.

01:03:43.000 It means they don't have things like Iron Dome and Iron Beam. 0.99

01:03:45.000 So their fields and their refineries are less protected in that way than UAE's. 0.55

01:03:50.000 So here is one option that the United States might want to pursue because the president has a history of this. 0.98

01:03:56.000 Tell the Saudis to sign the Abraham Accords. 0.86

01:03:58.000 And in return, Iron Dome and Iron Beam could be quickly set up in Saudi to protect against Iranian retaliation. 0.83

01:04:06.000 That means the threat to Saudi is greatly reduced.

01:04:08.000 And now the only question becomes opening the Strait, which the United States can open with Project Freedom. 0.95

01:04:13.000 Then we bomb Kharg Island and the energy facilities, and there is no off ramp for Iran. 0.94

01:04:17.000 Their leverage over the Strait is gone, their leverage over the oil fields is gone. 0.97

01:04:21.000 We leave overwatch of the nuclear and ballistic to our Gulf allies in Israel. 0.87

01:04:25.000 They just keep mowing the lawn with regard to the nuclear facilities and the ballistic missiles every few months until the Iranian regime collapses. 0.97

01:04:32.000 And we win because at that point, there's no off ramp for the Iranians. 0.99

01:04:35.000 There is no way for them to survive in the long term. 0.99

01:04:39.000 And even in the meantime, their threat level drops to the bare minimum because they don't have money to send to terrorist groups.

01:04:45.000 They don't have money to develop a ballistic missile facility.

01:04:48.000 And every time they do, it gets blown up.

01:04:50.000 They don't have the scientific capacity to ramp up their nuclear program.

01:04:55.000 There are things, in other words, that can be done.

01:04:57.000 So, anybody who is suggesting right now the United States has quote unquote lost or is quote unquote losing is, I think, missing the boat at this point in time.

01:05:04.000 Artie, coming up, we are going to get into an astonishing set of local elections in Great Britain.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - May 08, 2026

AOC just revealed where the Left is headed next

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