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Are Trump’s Wounds Self-Inflicted, Or Are They The Media’s Fault? | Ep. 399


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Blow's latest piece in the New York Times is one of the worst anti-Trump op-eds I've ever seen, and it's written by a guy who would not pass a freshman seminar at a public college. Ben Shapiro breaks it down, and explains why it's so bad, and how it reveals the left's blind spot when it comes to President Trump. Plus, Ben explains why Charles Blow is a shoddy writer, and why he thinks Trump isn't Hitler, except for the mustache. Ben Shapiro is the host of The Ben Shapiro Show on Fox News Radio and host of the conservative podcast The Weekly Standard, and is a regular contributor to The Daily Wire. He's also a frequent contributor to the Weekly Standard and has been featured in The Daily Caller, The Daily Beast, and The Huffington Post, among other publications. He's a frequent guest on CNN, NPR, and CBS Radio, and he's a regular guest on the conservative radio show Morning Joe, where he's known as "The Average Joe" and hosts his thoughts on current events, including the Iran sanctions scandal, the Iran hostage crisis, and the Iran nuclear deal, as well as his opinions on the Trump administration and its impact on the Iran deal, and much, much more. You won't want to miss this! Learn more about him and his work at his new book, "Hitler Isn't Hitler: How Hitler Wasn't Hitler," out now, out now. If you haven't read it yet, you'll have to listen to it on Amazon Prime Video and subscribe to his channel on Audible, iTunes, Podcharts, Podcoin, or wherever else you're listening to the podcast, and you'll get a copy of the book on the book, Too Stupid to Read It? You'll get the book out in paperback, too! Subscribe to Ben Shapiro's newest novel, "How Hitler Is Hitler: The Real Hitler Is Not Hitler?" by clicking here. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts and subscribe on iTunes, too? Subscribe on Podchaser, wherever you get your own copy of The Daily Mail Online, and other good stuff like it's best listening advice, and more, like Ben Shapiro on the internet, too, you won't be disappointed by Ben Shapiro, Ben Shapiro will be notified when he posts it on his podcast, too. That's right, it'll be the first to know who's getting the best of it all?


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00:00:00.000 Our President Trump's wounds self-inflicted, the continuing controversy over whether he's treating the Gold Star families properly, plus questions about Niger, and the worst anti-Trump op-ed in the New York Times I have ever seen.
00:00:12.000 We'll talk about all of it.
00:00:13.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:00:14.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:00:21.000 So I do have to say, this Charles Blow op-ed in the New York Times is not just one of the worst op-eds about Trump I've ever seen, it's one of the worst written op-eds about Trump I've ever seen.
00:00:29.000 I want to go through it at length because I think that it reveals something about where the blind spot is for the left with regard to President Trump.
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00:02:10.000 Okay, so, I want to start off with this piece from Charles Blow.
00:02:13.000 It was trending on Twitter this morning, and what was actually trending on Twitter was, Trump isn't Hitler.
00:02:19.000 Right, Trump isn't Hitler.
00:02:21.000 So I clicked on that because I was like, wow, somebody figured it out.
00:02:24.000 And then it says Trump isn't Hitler, but he lies, but the lying, right?
00:02:29.000 That's the actual title of it.
00:02:30.000 So he isn't like Hitler, but he's kind of like him except for the mustache.
00:02:36.000 That's pretty much where Charles Blow over at the New York Times is going.
00:02:39.000 Now what's astonishing about Charles Blow is not just that he's a bad thinker.
00:02:42.000 The New York Times op-ed page, as Andrew Klavan is fond of saying, a former newspaper, their op-ed page, as we have criticized in the last week, is full of people who are shoddy thinkers.
00:02:51.000 The real problem with the New York Times op-ed page with Charles Blow is that Charles Blow is a shoddy writer.
00:02:55.000 I mean, he's just a bad writer.
00:02:57.000 I'm going to read you some of the stuff from this column, and you're going to see, this is stuff that would not pass you through freshman seminar at a public college.
00:03:04.000 I mean, this is really not high-level stuff.
00:03:07.000 Charles Blow begins, It is a commonly accepted rule among those who are in the business of argument, especially online, that he or she who invokes Adolf Hitler, either in oratory or essays, automatically forfeits the argument.
00:03:19.000 But don't worry, he's gonna do it anyway.
00:03:21.000 Since the reference is deemed far too extreme, too explosive, too far beyond rational correlation.
00:03:26.000 No matter how bad a present-day politician, not one of them has charted or is charting a course to exterminate millions of innocent people as an act of ethnic cleansing.
00:03:33.000 Hitler stands alone in this regard, but, but,
00:03:36.000 There are strategies that Hitler used to secure power and rise, things that allowed his murderous reign, that can teach us about political theory and practice.
00:03:44.000 And very reasonable and sage comparisons can be drawn between Hitler's strategies and those of others.
00:03:49.000 So now he's going to make a reasonable and sage comparison.
00:03:52.000 What exactly is his reasonable and sage comparison?
00:03:55.000 It's that Hitler was a liar, and so is Donald J. Adolf Trump.
00:04:01.000 He says, Now, it's always weird to use Hitler as an example of anything other than mass murder.
00:04:15.000 Like, I actually am not somebody who believes you can never make Hitler comparisons.
00:04:18.000 I agree, actually, with Charles Blow that it is sometimes worthwhile to look at how dictators rise to power, not using Hitler as the only example, looking at people like Mussolini or looking at people like Franco.
00:04:27.000 Looking at the various dictators around the world and saying, how did they rise to power?
00:04:31.000 Hitler's a particularly instructive example because he rose to power in a democracy, right?
00:04:35.000 He was actually elected to his position as chancellor, essentially.
00:04:39.000 And it's fascinating to see what he did in order to get there.
00:04:42.000 That's why he's such an interesting character historically, at least with regard to these sorts of comparisons.
00:04:48.000 But to boil Hitler down to the liar is, again, historically ignorant.
00:04:52.000 This idea that Hitler was the ultimate liar or that Hitler teaches us all how lies work in politics ignores that lies have worked in politics for pretty much every politician ever.
00:05:03.000 And Charles Blow goes further.
00:05:04.000 He brings out this old trope that I'm not really fond of.
00:05:07.000 I know Dinesh D'Souza called his book The Big Lie.
00:05:10.000 There's this trope that goes around.
00:05:12.000 It comes really from Goebbels and
00:05:17.000 It comes also from Mein Kampf, and it's the idea that the big lie, when used in politics, is the most effective.
00:05:21.000 That the bigger you lie, the more you get away with it.
00:05:24.000 I don't think this is true.
00:05:26.000 I actually don't think this is true.
00:05:27.000 I think that a subtle lie, repeated often, is the one that you get away with.
00:05:31.000 A lie that is very difficult to verify is the one that you get away with.
00:05:34.000 A big lie, meaning like an audacious lie, which is usually how people take it, that's the one that's easiest to debunk, right?
00:05:40.000 They're turning the frogs gay, right?
00:05:42.000 Relatively easy to debunk.
00:05:43.000 How about...
00:05:45.000 Pizza gate.
00:05:46.000 Relatively easy to debunk.
00:05:48.000 The sun is green, right?
00:05:49.000 Pretty easy to debunk.
00:05:50.000 We look up in the sky, it's not green, we're done.
00:05:52.000 So the bigger the lie in that sense, the more audacious the lie, the easier it is to debunk.
00:05:56.000 It is the subtle lie.
00:05:57.000 It is the lie that is really a factor of the person lying having more information but not telling the truth than you, and you don't have enough information to determine whether it's the truth or a lie.
00:06:08.000 That's the lie that's successful, and the more it's repeated, the better it does.
00:06:11.000 But what people on the left can't stand about Trump is that, well, one of the things, one of many things, is that Trump lies audaciously and says things that aren't true all the time, and people don't seem to care.
00:06:21.000 And the left doesn't understand why that is.
00:06:22.000 The left says, well, why can't anyone just acknowledge he's a liar?
00:06:25.000 Okay, I cut a video during the primaries in last year's election cycle in which I explicitly said Donald Trump is a liar.
00:06:32.000 He is.
00:06:33.000 I mean, Trump lies a lot.
00:06:33.000 Let's be frank about this.
00:06:34.000 Trump is not an honest guy.
00:06:36.000 He does it habitually.
00:06:38.000 He says a lot of things that aren't true.
00:06:40.000 But, are those the kind of damaging lies that destroy the country?
00:06:44.000 Which are the kind of lies that people worry more about?
00:06:46.000 So, in the exit polls, this is where Charles Blow goes wrong, ideologically.
00:06:50.000 Charles Blow suggests the American people let Trump get away with his lies.
00:06:53.000 They believe him.
00:06:55.000 There is not a single poll that has shown that Americans think Trump is trustworthy.
00:06:58.000 In fact, there are polls showing that people think CNN is more trustworthy than Trump.
00:07:02.000 The exit polls from 2016, an election that Trump won, show that 64% of Americans thought Trump was neither honest nor trustworthy.
00:07:10.000 The same polls, of course, showed that about the same number of people thought Hitler, not Hitler, thought that Hillary was neither honest nor trustworthy.
00:07:17.000 So that is the real problem for the left.
00:07:19.000 Not that Trump lies and he gets away with it, but that they lie too, and the American public identify all the lies, and then they prefer the lies of Donald Trump to the lies of Hillary Clinton.
00:07:28.000 Right?
00:07:28.000 That's what's actually going on in American politics.
00:07:30.000 Not that Trump lies and everybody goes, he's telling the truth.
00:07:33.000 There's 30% of the population that does that, okay?
00:07:35.000 There are 30% of people who will do that.
00:07:37.000 There's the Bill Mitchells of the world who say that everything Trump says is gospel truth, it is coming down on high from Sinai, it is absolutely 100% real.
00:07:46.000 But most people, most Americans look at Trump and they say sometimes he tells the truth, and sometimes he tells truths that are really necessary, and sometimes he just lies because he says crap.
00:07:54.000 As I've said many times on this show, sometimes he just says crap.
00:07:57.000 But Charles Blow thinks that the real reason Trump is winning is because he is just such a skilled, exact, razor-sharp liar.
00:08:05.000 He has perfected the art of lying.
00:08:07.000 He has figured out the Hitlerian tool.
00:08:10.000 So he writes, Trump is no Hitler, but the way he has manipulated the American people with outrageous lies stacked one on top of the other has an eerie historical resonance.
00:08:18.000 Demagogy has a fixed design.
00:08:22.000 Okay, what I would like to know are what were the outrageous lies that he stabbed one on top of another.
00:08:27.000 The ones that he said during the campaign, the talking points he said during the campaign that won him victory, were actually mostly true, right?
00:08:33.000 When he talked about how Hillary Clinton was a criminal.
00:08:37.000 True.
00:08:38.000 When he talked about Hillary Clinton being unfit for office.
00:08:40.000 True.
00:08:41.000 When he said that people had to vote for him if they wanted hope for the court.
00:08:44.000 True.
00:08:44.000 Right?
00:08:45.000 Those were basically true statements.
00:08:47.000 I may not have believed them, but they were true.
00:08:49.000 I mean, I didn't believe the one about the court, because I have other issues with the court, but I think what he was saying was, at least at root, had an element of truth to it, for sure.
00:08:58.000 The stuff that he said that wasn't true during the campaign, the stuff about Ted Cruz's father killing John F. Kennedy and such, you know, that kind of stuff, people just went, meh, whatever.
00:09:06.000 They were willing to overlook that because they felt like all politicians lie.
00:09:09.000 Now, that is, I think, the biggest lie that has been promulgated, and that's not
00:09:13.000 Trump who said it.
00:09:14.000 It's just, it's something Americans believe, and I don't think it's true, that all politicians lie or have to lie.
00:09:18.000 But that's something that's been pushed by both sides of the aisle.
00:09:21.000 It's cynicism masquerading as wisdom, and I don't think that it's really true.
00:09:26.000 In any case, Charles Blow goes on in this vein.
00:09:28.000 He says, Trump has found a way to couch the lies so that people believe they don't emanate from him, but pass through him.
00:09:33.000 He is not a producer, but a projector.
00:09:35.000 And then he talks about how Trump likes to use phrases like, lots of people are saying, or I was told.
00:09:41.000 Okay, that's true.
00:09:42.000 Trump does do that.
00:09:43.000 But then he blows that up into, and that's why Trump is winning.
00:09:45.000 It's because of his lies.
00:09:46.000 If only people could see through him.
00:09:48.000 If only people could see the truth.
00:09:50.000 People do see the truth, and then they prefer Trump to your guy.
00:09:54.000 What does that say about your guy, Charles Blow?
00:09:56.000 What does that say about your movement?
00:09:58.000 That people actually do see Trump relatively clearly, and then choose him anyway.
00:10:03.000 What does that say about the left?
00:10:05.000 And that's a question I think the left does not want to cope with.
00:10:07.000 I do have to read you a couple of paragraphs that are just
00:10:10.000 Demonstrating that this is really one of the worst written columns I've ever seen.
00:10:14.000 These two paragraphs are astonishingly bad.
00:10:31.000 Seems to me an act of timidity in a time of terror.
00:10:34.000 It is an intentional self-blinding to avoid offending frail sensibilities.
00:10:37.000 I have neither time nor patience for such tiptoeing.
00:10:41.000 I prefer- best sentence ever, right here.
00:10:43.000 I prefer the boot of truth to slam down to earth like thunder, no matter the shock of hearing its clap.
00:10:51.000 There are no words for how bad that writing is.
00:10:54.000 That writing is so intensely awful.
00:10:56.000 I mean that writing is- that should be in like the purple writing competition that they have every year where they do like the worst sex scenes.
00:11:01.000 I mean that should be in there.
00:11:02.000 It's not even a sex sentence and it should be in there.
00:11:04.000 It's so bad.
00:11:05.000 I prefer the boot of truth to slam down to earth like thunder!
00:11:09.000 He's like Burt Lahr from
00:11:11.000 Uh, from the- from the cowardly- playing the cowardly line in the Lizard of Oz.
00:11:14.000 Like, thunder!
00:11:15.000 No matter the shock of hearing its clap.
00:11:17.000 Okay, first of all, boots do not slam to earth like thunder.
00:11:20.000 If they are, it's sort of a schistic image, actually.
00:11:23.000 No matter the shock of hearing its clap, there's no clap of a boot to earth.
00:11:27.000 Um, I've crossed the line from inkst- inkstained line of the essay writer.
00:11:32.000 I mean, like, really.
00:11:33.000 Freshman seminar, this would have been tossed out, C-.
00:11:36.000 So bad stuff from the New York Times.
00:11:38.000 The reason that I point this out today is because Trump is under assault.
00:11:41.000 And one of the questions we have to ask ourselves, to be honest observers of the situation, is whether Trump's current political position, he's in a bad political position right now, how much of that is self-inflicted and how much of that is because the media are out to get him.
00:11:55.000 And I think it's a combination of both.
00:11:56.000 I think that Trump
00:11:57.000 He has a penchant for shooting himself in both feet and then taking a knife and stabbing himself in both feet and then taking a sledgehammer and bashing himself in both feet and then he hobbles around complaining about the media.
00:12:08.000 I think the media are more than happy to join in on the fun.
00:12:11.000 I think the media are looking for opportunities to do this.
00:12:14.000 So today's case in point is the situation over in Niger.
00:12:19.000 If you missed what actually happened, it was easy to miss it because the media didn't even cover it.
00:12:22.000 So on October 4th, there was an ISIS, apparently ISIS, attack in Niger, okay?
00:12:27.000 And this ISIS attack in Niger killed four Americans and, uh, I'm sorry, it killed four Americans and wounded another two.
00:12:36.000 To hear Mr. Trump's verbiage to the wife
00:12:58.000 I want to know from Mr. Trump, what happened to LeDavid in Nigeria?
00:13:05.000 Why was he the last one found?
00:13:08.000 Why did it take 48 hours for them to discover him?
00:13:12.000 Why wasn't he in a car, an armored truck?
00:13:16.000 Why didn't he have weapons?
00:13:19.000 Weaker than the terrorist weapons.
00:13:23.000 Why were they able to surround them and kill them?
00:13:26.000 This is going to be Mr. Trump's Benghazi.
00:13:30.000 Because I cannot give the answers.
00:13:31.000 Nobody can give answers.
00:13:35.000 And until we get those answers, it is his Benghazi.
00:13:39.000 And this whole...
00:13:41.000 Okay, and there are all the people clapping for that.
00:13:43.000 Oh, it's gonna be as Benghazi.
00:13:44.000 So people are obviously excited to make this Niger situation into Trump's Benghazi.
00:13:48.000 It is not clear.
00:13:50.000 It is really not clear that there is anything here that says that this is Trump's Benghazi.
00:13:55.000 Here are the questions that do have to be asked about Niger, okay?
00:13:57.000 There are some questions that we need to ask about what happened in Niger.
00:14:01.000 What happened in Benghazi, just to be clear, was a failure on every level.
00:14:04.000 There were 600 odd requests.
00:14:06.000 I think?
00:14:27.000 ...was being told the truth, they were not.
00:14:29.000 We were told that it was an anti-Islam video that caused the problem, that it was not in fact an organized terror assault.
00:14:37.000 That was false.
00:14:38.000 And then we were told in the aftermath of all of this that everything had gone swimmingly, and that Hillary Clinton had done her job, and all the rest.
00:14:45.000 So there are a bunch of different issues that happened in Benghazi that didn't necessarily happen in Niger.
00:14:50.000 The Democrats are constantly looking for something to be Trump's ex, right?
00:14:53.000 So...
00:14:54.000 Russia is going to be Trump's Watergate.
00:14:56.000 Ooh-hoo-hoo-hoo.
00:14:57.000 And then we get that this situation is going to be Trump's Benghazi.
00:15:02.000 Ooh-hoo-hoo.
00:15:02.000 And then we get that Puerto Rico is going to be Trump's Katrina.
00:15:05.000 Ooh-hoo.
00:15:05.000 It's always going to be Trump's something.
00:15:06.000 But we actually have to determine whether it is one of these things or whether it is not one of these things.
00:15:10.000 There's not a lot of evidence to suggest yet.
00:15:12.000 That Niger is Trump's Benghazi.
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00:17:07.000 Okay, so it is important at this point, I think, to take a look at what was happening in Niger.
00:17:13.000 So, over in Niger, a group of American soldiers was reportedly ambushed by 50 ISIS-affiliated fighters.
00:17:19.000 That's what happened.
00:17:20.000 And in the process of this ambush, four American soldiers were killed.
00:17:22.000 One of the American soldiers who was killed was LeDavid Johnson.
00:17:25.000 Sergeant LeDavid Johnson, American hero.
00:17:28.000 This is the person whose widow Trump called the other day.
00:17:31.000 And David Johnson, what was weird about this is he got separated from the rest of the troops and it took them 48 hours to find him.
00:17:38.000 It took them 48 hours to find him.
00:17:39.000 So this is where we start getting into questions that do not have answers as of yet.
00:17:43.000 Terrorist groups use Niger.
00:17:45.000 So there are a bunch of questions.
00:17:46.000 Let's go through the questions.
00:17:47.000 First of all, why are we in Niger in the first place?
00:17:49.000 So, this is not on Trump.
00:17:50.000 This is on Obama.
00:17:51.000 Obama sent troops to Niger in the first place.
00:17:53.000 The idea was that our troops were going to help quash Boko Haram in Niger and neighboring countries like Chad.
00:17:59.000 That was the idea here.
00:18:00.000 Right?
00:18:01.000 Neighboring countries like Nigeria and Chad.
00:18:02.000 These were countries where Boko Haram is very active.
00:18:05.000 And so we were going to send 800 American troops in country.
00:18:08.000 That was under Obama.
00:18:10.000 Trump just kept them there.
00:18:11.000 The reason that that's a question is because apparently we do not have permission from the government of Niger to actually drop ordinance
00:18:17.000 In Niger.
00:18:18.000 So one of the problems here is that about 30 minutes after this attack started, there were planes that arrived, but they didn't have permission to drop bombs.
00:18:25.000 They were just doing flyovers of terrorists, which is insane.
00:18:28.000 It's insane.
00:18:29.000 And there's a question to me as to why exactly we are abiding by stupid rules like that.
00:18:35.000 What's Niger gonna do?
00:18:35.000 Toss us from the country?
00:18:37.000 They need our help.
00:18:38.000 Like really, what are they gonna do?
00:18:39.000 If we drop a bomb and we kill a bunch of terrorists, so they launch a complaint.
00:18:43.000 Big frickin' deal.
00:18:44.000 So that seems to me a serious question.
00:18:46.000 Second question, why didn't we know ISIS was there?
00:18:48.000 So ISIS is very active in the region.
00:18:50.000 ISIS is extraordinarily active in Africa, both Northern Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa, and they use Niger as a thoroughfare to move from Northern Africa to Sub-Saharan Africa.
00:19:00.000 The Pentagon is still trying to figure out why we didn't know that this ambush was going to take place.
00:19:05.000 Apparently, a bunch of our soldiers were there for a meeting.
00:19:07.000 Half of them were by the Humvees, and half of them were at the meeting.
00:19:10.000 On the way out of the meeting is when the ambush took place.
00:19:14.000 This does raise the question, if it was an ISIS attack, why the administration has not openly acknowledged that it was an ISIS attack?
00:19:20.000 That seems to me a real question, considering we're wondering why didn't the Obama administration acknowledge that Al Qaeda was behind the Benghazi attack?
00:19:27.000 The third question is, what exactly happened to Sergeant Johnson?
00:19:30.000 So according to CNN, quote, which is just astonishing.
00:19:48.000 His body was eventually found in a nearby area, but military investigators do not know why he was left behind during the French-led evacuation, and if he was alive even for a short period of time, U.S.
00:19:58.000 officials told CNN.
00:19:59.000 So we don't know how he was killed.
00:20:01.000 There's going to have to be an investigation there.
00:20:03.000 We need to know why help didn't arrive sooner.
00:20:05.000 Why didn't the air cover arrive sooner?
00:20:08.000 There was apparently a 30-minute delay.
00:20:09.000 And why did it take Trump 12 days to acknowledge the death?
00:20:12.000 So, even though this took place on October 4th, and even though the Pentagon had a statement drafted that day, Trump didn't say anything.
00:20:18.000 On October 5th, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said something in a press conference, but Trump himself didn't say anything until last Monday.
00:20:26.000 It was last Monday that Trump got himself in hot water.
00:20:28.000 So, is this a case of the media being out to get Trump?
00:20:31.000 Or is this a case of a self-inflicted wound?
00:20:34.000 And the answer is a little bit of both.
00:20:36.000 Trump should have acknowledged this earlier.
00:20:37.000 Trump should have been forthcoming about this.
00:20:39.000 I do not, for the life of me, understand why any president isn't forthcoming about the bad things that happen.
00:20:43.000 The American people...
00:20:45.000 are very forgiving when bad things happen and presidents tell the truth.
00:20:48.000 They're very unforgiving when bad things happen and presidents lie to them.
00:20:53.000 Trump didn't lie here, but Trump should have acknowledged this earlier, obviously.
00:20:56.000 And then Trump, because he's defensive, because he's a defensive fellow who feels insulted all the time, instead of him saying, listen, we're working on speaking with all the families.
00:21:04.000 That's something that's got to be done through proper channels.
00:21:06.000 Instead, he said, we've called everybody and I don't think former presidents have called everybody.
00:21:10.000 And that, of course, is what launched the second firestorm.
00:21:13.000 And this, again, is half Trump and half the media.
00:21:15.000 It's Trump's fault for launching a thousand ships here.
00:21:18.000 It's Trump's fault for saying that Obama or Bush weren't proper in their respect for the troops.
00:21:25.000 That's a ridiculous statement.
00:21:26.000 Dana Perino has a great piece out today talking about President Bush going to Walter Reed Hospital and visiting wounded soldiers.
00:21:33.000 It's really moving.
00:21:34.000 I urge you to go read it in full.
00:21:35.000 It's really terrific.
00:21:36.000 Apparently, it's from her book.
00:21:38.000 It's an excerpt from her book.
00:21:40.000 But it really is quite moving.
00:21:41.000 The idea that Bush or Obama were disrespectful to the families of fallen troops, that is not true.
00:21:47.000 But what the media did is instead of just saying, that's not true, as I've been saying for two days, or three days, the media has decided instead it is necessary and vital for them to go out and say that Donald Trump actively does not care about the troops.
00:21:59.000 And so what they did is they decided to go and track down every family of every troop who's been killed while Trump has been president.
00:22:05.000 And then they decide that they're going to make Trump look bad.
00:22:07.000 So there's a gold star widow who was on CNN saying, you know, Trump said he called everybody.
00:22:11.000 He didn't call me.
00:22:14.000 At the Dignified Transfer in Dover, I was extremely honored to have had Vice President Pence there.
00:22:19.000 He spent a great deal of time talking to me, and it wasn't—it wasn't an uncomfortable type of thing.
00:22:25.000 He really was just a very genuine human being, and he shared his condolences, and he talked to me like he knew me forever.
00:22:31.000 So it meant a lot for me to have him there.
00:22:37.000 Maybe it was—it was around the same time.
00:22:39.000 I know that I was meeting with my casualty officer, and he received a call from the White House.
00:22:45.000 I'm not exactly sure who, but he was told that I needed to be by my phone for the next few days because the president would be calling me to express his condolences on behalf of the nation.
00:22:55.000 And I just—I never received the phone call.
00:22:59.000 So the media, of course, tracking all of these things down now.
00:23:01.000 They didn't do this with Bush.
00:23:02.000 They didn't do this with Obama.
00:23:03.000 But because Trump actually pushed the narrative that he was the best at doing this, now the media saw an opening and they went for it.
00:23:09.000 That's gross by the media.
00:23:11.000 It is, okay?
00:23:11.000 It's actually not really our business whether Trump calls these troops families or not, at least not until the troops' families come out and speak about it openly and ask Trump to do so.
00:23:20.000 There's another story that came out from CNN.
00:23:22.000 Okay, whatever.
00:23:41.000 Whatever.
00:23:41.000 All of this is really unseemly.
00:23:43.000 All of this is really gross.
00:23:43.000 How much of it is Trump?
00:23:44.000 How much of it is the media?
00:23:45.000 I would say in this particular circumstance, about 40% of it is Trump and about 60% of it is the media.
00:23:50.000 Trump should not have opened this box of worms.
00:23:53.000 Instead, he did, and it turned into a disaster area for him.
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00:25:23.000 Okay, so, again, the question that we've been asking all podcast long is whether this is Trump's fault, the current onslaught against Trump is Trump's fault, or whether it's the media's fault.
00:25:35.000 And again, the answer is that it's mostly the media, but Trump has to not hit the trigger wire.
00:25:39.000 Okay, the media basically are like a landmine.
00:25:43.000 And Trump has to avoid stepping on as many landmines as possible.
00:25:46.000 Instead, Trump has a bad habit of seeing a landmine, grinning, and then jumping with both feet on top of it.
00:25:51.000 And so the media have, of course, jumped on top of him with both feet.
00:25:55.000 So, Rob Reiner, you know, just another example.
00:25:58.000 He comes out yesterday and he says, well, Trump is a sociopath.
00:26:01.000 He's a sociopath when it comes to the treatment of our troops.
00:26:05.000 He has no empathy.
00:26:07.000 I mean, he's, I hate to say it, but he's a sociopath.
00:26:10.000 I mean, he has no feeling for other people.
00:26:16.000 And it's one of thousands of things like that.
00:26:20.000 When you talked about the Kahn family, Megan McCain, who you had out, he said, this is not a real hero because he got captured.
00:26:25.000 I mean, one thing after the next.
00:26:27.000 I mean, it's just a part of everything that he's done.
00:26:32.000 Oh yeah, it's just a part of everything he's done, and of course the media love it, they lap it up, the view, there's big cheers from the crowd, and then they wonder why Trump thinks that the media's out to get him, because the media are out to get him.
00:26:42.000 Now again, some of this is Trump's fault.
00:26:44.000 Sarah Huckabee Sanders came out today, and she said that General Kelly, General John Kelly, was disgusted by the way all of this had been politicized.
00:26:53.000 We'll play Sanders, and then I'll explain why Sanders is not completely correct to do what she's doing here.
00:26:59.000 I think that General Kelly is disgusted by the way that this has been politicized and that the focus has become on the process and not the fact that American lives were lost.
00:27:10.000 I think he's disgusted and frustrated by that.
00:27:12.000 If he has any anger, it's towards that.
00:27:16.000 Okay, so, again, she's saying now that General Kelly is upset about it.
00:27:19.000 The fact is, General Kelly would not even be part of this story, except for the fact that the White House trotted out General Kelly as evidence that Obama didn't call every soldier, even though Obama sat next to General Kelly in 2011 and 2012, after the death of his son.
00:27:34.000 This is why I say, a lot of it's the media.
00:27:36.000 Yes.
00:27:37.000 Some of it is President Trump.
00:27:38.000 He needs to do better than this.
00:27:39.000 Another example of this.
00:27:40.000 There's a story that's happening right now that is a very good story for Trump and a very bad story for Democrats.
00:27:46.000 The story is this.
00:27:47.000 It comes courtesy of Fox News.
00:27:51.000 It says, two top officials at the political research firm behind it.
00:27:55.000 Ah, sorry.
00:27:57.000 These autoplay videos are just terrible.
00:28:00.000 Two top officials behind the Fusion GPS dossier alleging various Russian connections to President Trump's campaign invoked their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination before the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday.
00:28:12.000 Fusion GPS co-founder Peter Fritsch, top lieutenant Thomas Kattan, were subpoenaed to appear before the committee in a closed-door session.
00:28:20.000 In a closed door session on Wednesday, but asserted their right not to testify, a source close to the matter told Fox News.
00:28:26.000 Frisch and Katan took the fifth on every question posed by committee members.
00:28:29.000 Another co-founder, Glenn Simpson, is under subpoena for a later date.
00:28:33.000 The move was expected.
00:28:34.000 So here's what happened.
00:28:35.000 Here's the backstory here.
00:28:36.000 The backstory is, you remember there was this dossier, right, a Fusion GPS dossier compiled from a spy named Christopher Steele over in Britain.
00:28:43.000 Fusion GPS is a democratic research firm.
00:28:46.000 And they compiled this dossier, which ends up in the hands of the FBI.
00:28:49.000 And very early in the Trump presidency, there's a story from BuzzFeed leaking this dossier to the press.
00:28:54.000 The dossier had all of these weird allegations about Trump.
00:28:57.000 Some have been substantiated, some have not.
00:28:59.000 The ones that have not are the most ludicrous ones, the ones about him being peed on by Russian prostitutes and all of this kind of weird stuff.
00:29:05.000 So, Fusion GPS compiled this thing.
00:29:07.000 They've now been called before Congress to ask, who asked you to compile this?
00:29:11.000 Right?
00:29:11.000 Who paid you to compile this?
00:29:13.000 And the officials at Fusion GPS refused to say.
00:29:16.000 Now, the obvious answer is the Democrats told Fusion GPS to compile this.
00:29:20.000 Right?
00:29:20.000 That's the obvious answer.
00:29:21.000 There's nothing illegal about that, by the way, as far as I'm aware.
00:29:24.000 I think the Democrats just don't want to admit that they were paying spies to come up with dirt on Donald Trump.
00:29:30.000 So they've been trying to stonewall it.
00:29:32.000 As far as I'm aware, it's not against the law to hire an intelligence official to spill his secrets about President Trump.
00:29:39.000 It may create some legal liability, you know, in terms of like being sued, but I'm not sure that it does anything beyond that.
00:29:45.000 In any case, they took the fifth.
00:29:47.000 This is an example of how a story that is obviously good for Trump, Democrats probably targeting President Trump through Fusion GPS, coming up with bad data, and then submitting it to the FBI, how President Trump is capable of turning that into a story not about what the story is about.
00:30:02.000 So Trump tweets out something about the Fusion GPS story, and what he tweets out is this.
00:30:08.000 He tweets out that, quote, workers of firm involved with the discredited and fake dossier take the fifth.
00:30:15.000 Right?
00:30:15.000 Who paid for it?
00:30:16.000 Russia?
00:30:17.000 The FBI?
00:30:18.000 Or the Dems?
00:30:19.000 Or all?
00:30:20.000 Well, you know, once you include the FBI and Russia in there, particularly, you're now basically accusing the FBI of being traitors, and that's not exactly the tack you want to take.
00:30:29.000 Now, to be fair to President Trump, there have been reports that the FBI wanted to pay Christopher Steele to compile a dossier in the past, but they wouldn't use Fusion GPS to do it, presumably.
00:30:40.000 I'm not aware that the FBI has ever used Fusion GPS as a thoroughfare to pay some spy to come up with a dossier.
00:30:45.000 If they want to pay somebody, they just pay somebody.
00:30:47.000 But, you know, now it's President Trump challenging his own FBI.
00:30:50.000 The media will jump on that.
00:30:51.000 It'll be another bad story.
00:30:53.000 You know, this is not to say that President Trump's Twitter feed can't be a force for good.
00:30:58.000 Like, for example, I think Trump did the right thing when he tweeted out about the uranium story that I discussed yesterday.
00:31:02.000 This is the story that says that the Obama Department of Justice knew full well that the Russians were attempting corrupt
00:31:08.000 That 100% is true.
00:31:09.000 And this is where Trump's Twitter feed could be a force for good, right?
00:31:11.000 He can actually put a spotlight, but you have to put the spotlight in the right place.
00:31:15.000 Now, that tweet right there, Trump allowed that to be overshadowed by his other activities.
00:31:35.000 If Trump could pick the right spot, if Trump could use the knife where the knife is necessary, instead of just kind of waving it around like a crazy person in an airport, then his bully pulpit, the fact that he has this massive Twitter following, the fact that he can shift the media's attention like that on a dime, it would actually be quite powerful.
00:31:52.000 Imagine if Trump tweeted one-tenth as much, but ten times as specifically.
00:31:57.000 How much more effective would he be as president?
00:32:00.000 I'm not saying get rid of the Twitter.
00:32:01.000 I'm saying control yourself.
00:32:02.000 But if he can't control himself, get rid of the Twitter.
00:32:04.000 This is a big story, and it is a story the media have been studiously avoiding.
00:32:08.000 Eric Holder came out yesterday.
00:32:09.000 Remember, this is Eric Holder's DOJ that approved the Russian government buying 20% of America's uranium.
00:32:15.000 They said nothing.
00:32:17.000 They knew about it.
00:32:17.000 The FBI knew about it.
00:32:18.000 The State Department says they didn't know about it.
00:32:20.000 That's probably a lie.
00:32:21.000 The State Department probably knew about it.
00:32:22.000 The State Department greenlit the deal anyway, even as Russia, and especially as Russia was pouring money into the Clinton Foundation coffers, Eric Holder, who was the head of that DOJ, he's now coming out saying he's a member of the resistance.
00:32:33.000 And then we're supposed to wonder that Eric Holder is involved in corrupt activities with other Democrats?
00:32:40.000 It's been a difficult thing to watch and it means that I think I have to be a part of the resistance and to try to save as much of the great work I think that we did as is possible and to try to ensure that we put in place leadership in 2018 and 2020 that will be supportive of the positive things that we did.
00:33:00.000 You're a member of the resistance?
00:33:02.000 Yeah, yeah, I am.
00:33:04.000 There's no question about that.
00:33:06.000 You know, I'm a progressive Democrat, committed to the ideals of my party, and proud of the work that I did as Attorney General.
00:33:13.000 Well, as Attorney General, you did the work of a hack.
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00:34:48.000 Okay, so Eric Holder political hack.
00:34:50.000 This is what I wish the media were focused on if they weren't chasing squirrels and Trump weren't pushing them to chase squirrels.
00:34:56.000 Here's Eric Holder.
00:34:57.000 Suggesting that what James Comey did was totally fine.
00:35:00.000 We talked about this yesterday.
00:35:01.000 James Comey, months before the investigation had closed, was already getting ready to exonerate Hillary Clinton.
00:35:05.000 Eric Holder, of course, thinks that's hunky-dory.
00:35:09.000 I've been critical of Jim Comey, but I've also known Jim Comey for, you know, 20, 30 years.
00:35:15.000 He's an honest guy, and the determination that he made, and I think inappropriately announced, I think is based on the facts, based on his interpretation of the law, and there was nothing more than that.
00:35:28.000 It was a good faith assessment by a person who I think has done a lot for this country.
00:35:33.000 Well, I'm so glad that the partisan hack that is Eric Holder thinks that a good-faith assessment was done.
00:35:38.000 Eric Holder should be called before Congress.
00:35:40.000 He should be asked to answer questions as to why a uranium deal was allowed to go through with Hillary Clinton's foundation receiving money at the exact time he was head of the DOJ.
00:35:48.000 That seems to me a major scandal that the media are completely ignoring.
00:35:52.000 Okay, so last night, there was a big debate between Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz.
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00:37:13.000 So last night, Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz debate on taxes.
00:37:17.000 I will admit I did not watch this live.
00:37:18.000 I was giving a speech over at University of Tennessee.
00:37:20.000 I think that it's a speech that you should go listen to and go watch.
00:37:23.000 It's different than my normal speech on college campuses.
00:37:26.000 I talk a little bit about the meaning of life.
00:37:27.000 Yes, really.
00:37:28.000 The meaning of life and why I think our lack of meaning is leading us down a dark path in the United States where we are just clubbing the living crap out of each other on a daily basis.
00:37:36.000 Two people who are clubbing the living crap out of each other on a daily basis.
00:37:39.000 Ted Cruz using his Zodiac Killer knife and Bernie Sanders using his walker.
00:37:44.000 They were doing it last night on CNN on taxes.
00:37:46.000 It was about how you would expect it to go.
00:37:48.000 I want to show you one clip of a guy stumping Bernie Sanders on taxes and doing something I wish Ted Cruz had done but didn't last night.
00:37:57.000 Here is this questioner stumping Bernie Sanders on taxes.
00:38:01.000 Senator Sanders, over my lifetime, all we've seen is more government and more expenses.
00:38:07.000 Cutting taxes from top to bottom or bottom to top, however you view it, then will give some relief to the burdensome expenses all Americans face.
00:38:16.000 Why would you not want a tax cut across the board for all Americans?
00:38:20.000 Well, I do want a tax cut for the middle class and working families, but the Koch brothers should get a tax break of up to $30 billion.
00:38:27.000 Do you think that makes sense?
00:38:28.000 I did say all Americans.
00:38:32.000 Well, do you think that the wealthy should not get tax breaks?
00:38:34.000 I did say all Americans.
00:38:36.000 Okay, well, I happen not to believe that the Koch brothers need a tax break.
00:38:41.000 Okay, so you can see Bernie is very upset about that, and that's when the Curb the Enthusiasm music starts in.
00:38:47.000 Bernie did not get his pudding cup.
00:38:49.000 The reason that I think Republicans do this wrong is because I think that if you watched Ted Cruz last night, he too was focusing on the middle class and the lower classes need more tax cuts.
00:38:58.000 Okay, let's be real about this.
00:39:00.000 The people who need the tax cuts the most in order to generate wealth in the economy are the people who are paying the taxes.
00:39:06.000 That is disproportionately people at the top.
00:39:08.000 It is very hard to give tax relief to people who are paying very little in taxes.
00:39:11.000 I've done this tax breakdown before, so I don't see the need to do it again.
00:39:15.000 The bottom line is that if you are in the lowest quintile of income earners in the United States, you're essentially paying zero taxes.
00:39:21.000 When it comes to net taxes in the United States, meaning the benefits you get back from government, basically the only people paying taxes in the United States, net taxes in the United States, are people in the top 10% of income earners.
00:39:32.000 Those are the people who are actually generating the jobs.
00:39:35.000 There's a weird misconception about the economy, and that is that every dollar that is spent is equally helpful to the generation of a healthy economy.
00:39:42.000 This is untrue.
00:39:43.000 If I spend a dollar on a hamburger, that is not nearly as helpful to the generation of a stronger economy than if I spend that dollar investing in hiring somebody to grow Daily Wire.
00:39:54.000 The reason for that is because I'm inventing new products and services over at Daily Wire.
00:39:58.000 The reason that your life is better now than it was 20 years ago, the reason you have cool new stuff, the reason you can go on a computer and you can hit a button and stuff arrives at your door,
00:40:05.000 The reason you can go to all of our advertisers online and order things that arrive at your door right now is because people were innovative.
00:40:12.000 Because people created new products and services.
00:40:15.000 It's not the amount of money passing through the economy that matters.
00:40:18.000 It's the products that are being generated by the passage of that money.
00:40:22.000 Income is a passive byproduct to the generation of new products and services.
00:40:27.000 Like, presumably you're happier right now because you're watching this show.
00:40:30.000 If we didn't have somebody investing in the show, namely you, and also people who are very wealthy who invested in the creation of Daily Wire, you wouldn't have that.
00:40:37.000 And this is true of every product you own.
00:40:39.000 This is true of every product you own.
00:40:41.000 Bill Gates has done more to alleviate poverty than the federal government.
00:40:46.000 That's just a fact of life.
00:40:48.000 The federal poverty rate is basically the same as it was before the war on poverty ever began.
00:40:52.000 Bill Gates has created enormous numbers of jobs across the economy and made people's lives easier and better.
00:40:58.000 This is certainly true of Jeff Bezos as well.
00:41:00.000 Everybody likes to complain about the generation of new products because whenever a new product is generated, an old product is hurt.
00:41:06.000 But those new products are what makes life better for all of us.
00:41:08.000 Amazon is better than having to go to a used bookstore.
00:41:10.000 I love used bookstores.
00:41:12.000 I miss used bookstores.
00:41:13.000 But Amazon is a better service.
00:41:15.000 Amazon is a better service for shopping than going to your local grocery store very often.
00:41:20.000 It's particularly true if you're in a place like Manhattan where it's hard to schlep groceries around.
00:41:23.000 The fact is that if you actually want a better world, you're going to have to allow people who generate new things to keep their money and generate more new things.
00:41:32.000 Because it turns out that a lot of the people who generate new things, people like Elon Musk, they generate lots of new things.
00:41:36.000 It's not they generate one new thing and now they're done.
00:41:39.000 It's they generate lots of new things with that money.
00:41:41.000 Or they give it to a bank.
00:41:42.000 And you know what the bank does?
00:41:42.000 It doesn't invest in hamburgers.
00:41:44.000 The bank goes and invests in new businesses that are starting up and generate better products.
00:41:48.000 The reason your life is better now than it was 50 years ago is not because there are more dollars flowing through the economy.
00:41:54.000 Precisely the opposite.
00:41:55.000 It's the idea that the products that are being generated and passing through the economy are simply better.
00:42:00.000 They're just simply better.
00:42:01.000 Okay, so now I want to talk about a couple of things that I like and then a couple of things that I hate.
00:42:06.000 So let's start with some things that I like.
00:42:10.000 So the first thing that I like is if I turned off my cell phone before the show.
00:42:13.000 I mean, the sound today, just awful.
00:42:15.000 But in any case, the things that I like.
00:42:16.000 Okay, so yesterday, Ben Sass was in a meeting with Ted Cruz.
00:42:21.000 And Ben Sass decided that it was worthwhile to spill a Dr. Pepper on Ted Cruz.
00:42:26.000 And this became kind of a viral thing.
00:42:28.000 And then Ben Sass tweeted something at Ted Cruz about the idea that Ted Cruz, his father had killed JFK.
00:42:36.000 So Ted Cruz then sent back this tweet, which is just awesome.
00:42:39.000 Right, so Ben Sasse says, full disclosure, I was wearing my Lee Harvey Oswald was framed t-shirt, and then Ted Cruz tweeted back the Zodiac Killer note, which set the internet aflame.
00:42:49.000 Right, it was like 79,000 likes, 47,000 retweets.
00:42:54.000 Very funny stuff.
00:42:55.000 I don't know if Cruz himself came up with that.
00:42:57.000 It's possible.
00:42:58.000 It is also possible it was an assistant, but whatever it is, it's really, really funny.
00:43:02.000 You know, this is why politicians ought to embrace
00:43:04.000 Some of the memery on the internet because some of it's really funny.
00:43:06.000 Speaking of memery on the internet, I did have to laugh yesterday because one of the things that was being passed around the internet was a conspiracy theory regarding Melania Trump.
00:43:14.000 No, not that she's some sort of Russian spy.
00:43:16.000 The conspiracy theory is that Melania Trump has a body double.
00:43:19.000 Really, really funny.
00:43:20.000 So, you can see, this guy, bylegalmeds.com, and I assume he's a guy high on pot, he says, this is not Melania.
00:43:28.000 To think they would go this far and try and make us think it's her on TV is mind-blowing.
00:43:33.000 Mind-blowing.
00:43:34.000 Makes me wonder what else is a lie.
00:43:36.000 And it shows a picture of Melania Trump, and then a close-up of Melania Trump, right?
00:43:42.000 And it is clearly still Melania Trump.
00:43:44.000 He said, let me save you some time from looking it up.
00:43:46.000 It is not her.
00:43:48.000 Okay dude, it's her.
00:43:50.000 I do love when people are so crazy.
00:43:51.000 And I also love the fact that he misspelled Melania Trump in the Google line there.
00:43:56.000 M-I-L as opposed to M-E-L.
00:43:59.000 So, pretty grand stuff from the internet there.
00:44:02.000 Just proving that people will believe anything.
00:44:03.000 This was going around the internet.
00:44:04.000 The truth is that we know that it was Melania Trump because she does have a body double, but the body double was eating at Comet Ping Pong Pizza yesterday, so it couldn't have been her over there with Trump.
00:44:13.000 Okay, other things that I like.
00:44:15.000 This is just quite wonderful.
00:44:16.000 So ISIS was defeated in Raqqa, as I discussed yesterday.
00:44:19.000 The biggest untold story of the week.
00:44:21.000 It's been obliterated by all of the stupid news that we have to cover, but after ISIS was defeated in Raqqa, this is video of one of the women who was oppressed under ISIS.
00:44:35.000 She took off her headscarf.
00:44:37.000 She was forced to wear that headscarf and she took it off and she threw it down.
00:44:55.000 Okay, the liberation of human beings is something the American military is quite grand at and something the left should acknowledge because, you know, while they'd say that President Trump disrespects the military, it's the American left that's wanted to slash the military and suggest that the American military is a force for evil around the world for decades now.
00:45:10.000 Okay, time for a couple of quick things that I hate.
00:45:17.000 So first of all, Chelsea Handler-Man, I don't know why she thinks she's funny.
00:45:23.000 I mean, I guess because she's very wealthy.
00:45:25.000 Apparently somebody thinks she's funny, so I guess I'm in the minority here, or at least I'm part of a silent majority.
00:45:31.000 But she cancelled her Netflix talk show because no one is watching it because it was crap.
00:45:35.000 And instead she says she's now going to focus on... wait for it...
00:45:39.000 Social activism.
00:45:40.000 Oh yeah, so she wrote this on Twitter.
00:45:42.000 Like so many across the country, the past presidential election and the countless events that have unfolded since have galvanized me.
00:45:48.000 From the national level down to the grassroots, it's clear our decisions at the ballot box next year will mark a defining moment for our nation.
00:45:54.000 For these reasons, I've decided not to return for another season of Chelsea and instead to vote as much time as I can to becoming a more knowledgeable and engaged citizen and to focus on projects that may have significance to me.
00:46:04.000 So first of all, I would recommend that you learn to read.
00:46:07.000 The Cat in the Hat is always a great starter book.
00:46:08.000 It's always fun with Dick and Jane.
00:46:09.000 She says,
00:46:24.000 So it sounds not like she wants to learn, but more like she wants to spread her particular brand of stupid.
00:46:34.000 And her particular brand of stupid is quite strong.
00:46:37.000 I wasn't sure whether to put this in things I like or things I hate, because there are a couple things I like about it.
00:46:41.000 One, Chelsea's show will no longer be on Netflix, which is awesome.
00:46:44.000 And two,
00:46:45.000 Chelsea out in the public eye is not bad for the Republican Party, for the conservative movement, or Donald Trump.
00:46:50.000 It's actually quite good.
00:46:51.000 The more Hollywood shows its face, the more the rest of America silently repels away.
00:46:57.000 And I think that that's exactly right.
00:46:58.000 They're like Homer Simpson in that gif, slowly backing into the bush.
00:47:02.000 I think that's how Americans react to Chelsea Handler.
00:47:04.000 So the more she's out there, the more Americans are likely alienated from the Democrats.
00:47:08.000 Okay, other things that I hate today.
00:47:10.000 So Mayim Bialik, the star of the Big Bang Theory, one of the stars of the Big Bang Theory, long history in Hollywood, she wrote a piece about sexual harassment in the New York Times, and she just got an enormous amount of crap for it.
00:47:25.000 Why?
00:47:25.000 Because she suggested that if you want to minimize the chances that you will be sexually harassed personally, then you might want to consider dressing more modestly.
00:47:34.000 Okay, this is what she actually wrote.
00:47:36.000 What she wrote is... Let me find the exact section.
00:47:38.000 Here she says... She says...
00:47:51.000 I've experienced the upside of not being a perfect 10.
00:47:53.000 As a proud feminist with little desire to diet, get plastic surgery, or hire a personal trainer, I have almost no personal experience with men asking to meet me in their hotel rooms.
00:48:01.000 Those of us in Hollywood who don't represent an impossible standard of beauty have luxury of being overlooked and in many cases ignored by men in power unless we can make the money.
00:48:09.000 I still make choices every day.
00:48:10.000 This is the paragraph that drove the left insane.
00:48:12.000 I still make choices every day as a 41-year-old actress that I think of as self-protecting and wise.
00:48:17.000 I have decided that my sexual self is best reserved for private situations with those I am most intimate with.
00:48:22.000 I dress modestly.
00:48:23.000 I don't act flirtatiously with men as a policy.
00:48:25.000 I am entirely aware these types of choices might feel oppressive to many young feminists.
00:48:29.000 Women should be able to wear whatever they want.
00:48:30.000 They should be able to flirt however they want with whomever they want.
00:48:33.000 Why are we the ones who have to police our behavior?
00:48:35.000 In a perfect world, women should be free to act however they want.
00:48:38.000 But our world isn't perfect.
00:48:39.000 Nothing, absolutely nothing, excuses men for assaulting or abusing women.
00:48:42.000 But we can't be naive about the culture we live in.
00:48:44.000 I believe we can change our culture, but it won't be something that happens overnight.
00:48:48.000 We live in a society that has treated women as disposable playmates for far longer than Mr. Weinstein has been meeting ingenues in luxury hotel rooms.
00:48:55.000 So, I don't see what's wrong with anything that she's writing here.
00:48:59.000 She's not saying that you bear the responsibility for sexual harassment or sexual assault if you don't dress modestly and a guy does something evil to you.
00:49:05.000 That's not what she's saying.
00:49:06.000 What she is saying is the same thing that I have said a thousand times about conceal and carry.
00:49:11.000 Right?
00:49:11.000 We live in a violent world.
00:49:13.000 It behooves you if you don't want to be violently accosted to conceal and carry.
00:49:17.000 We live in a violent world.
00:49:18.000 That's why you have a lock on your front door.
00:49:20.000 I mean, honestly.
00:49:23.000 It does not make it any better for somebody to open your front door if it is unlocked.
00:49:26.000 It doesn't justify somebody breaking into your house if the front door is unlocked.
00:49:29.000 It doesn't justify anybody shooting you if you don't have a concealed carry permit.
00:49:33.000 But, if you can take measures to prevent bad things from happening or make it less likely they happen to you, why is that bad advice?
00:49:40.000 I'm confused why that is bad advice.
00:49:42.000 If you can avoid bad situations, why wouldn't you?
00:49:45.000 And to pretend there are not worse situations and better situations is to ignore reality.
00:49:49.000 Of course there are worse situations and better situations.
00:49:52.000 Right?
00:49:52.000 That's exactly why Mike Pence has his rules.
00:49:54.000 It's why I have personal rules.
00:49:56.000 Right?
00:49:56.000 The whole point here is to have rules that help minimize these situations.
00:50:00.000 So yes, men should be the ones who have the burden of having the rules for the most part.
00:50:04.000 But is it stupid to recognize the reality that if you are dressed in a more provocative fashion and you are openly flirting with a bunch of guys, it is more likely that somebody is going to sexually harass you?
00:50:16.000 That doesn't, again, justify the sexual harassment.
00:50:18.000 It's still wrong.
00:50:19.000 Just as it's still wrong for somebody to rob my house if I leave the door unlocked.
00:50:23.000 But it would be smarter for me to lock the door.
00:50:25.000 It might be smarter for you not to get drunk with your co-workers and dress provocatively if you don't want to be sexually harassed.
00:50:31.000 Again, that is not a justification.
00:50:34.000 I can't—she says it herself in this piece.
00:50:36.000 So the feminist movement comes out, oh, so terrible, Mayan Bialik, justifying sexual harassment, making—saying that women's are really—the victims are the provocateurs.
00:50:45.000 No, that's not what she's saying.
00:50:46.000 She's saying the same thing that you would tell your daughter.
00:50:48.000 Okay?
00:50:49.000 You would tell your daughter this.
00:50:51.000 You would.
00:50:51.000 Feminists, you would tell your daughter this.
00:50:53.000 And if you wouldn't, you're a bad parent.
00:50:55.000 You're a bad parent.
00:50:56.000 Hey, you would tell your daughter not to walk alone in a dangerous neighborhood at night.
00:50:59.000 You would.
00:51:00.000 As a feminist, would you say, the world isn't fair?
00:51:02.000 Are you saying that my daughter can't walk alone in a bad area of town where lots of crime occurs?
00:51:07.000 Are you saying it's her fault if she gets mugged?
00:51:08.000 No, I'm saying don't walk alone in a bad part of town where lots of crime occurs.
00:51:12.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:51:12.000 That's all I'm saying.
00:51:13.000 That's all that Mayim Bialik is saying.
00:51:15.000 And the fact that things like modesty are considered not preventative, the fact that things like taking sex seriously as opposed to just treating sex as a throwaway disposable object, that that may actually minimize chances of sexual assault and sexual harassment, I mean, isn't this, like, just obvious?
00:51:33.000 It is true.
00:51:34.000 If a woman decides to go up to a hotel room with a man, and then the man rapes her, the rape is a rape, and the guy should go to jail, be castrated, or killed.
00:51:41.000 Right?
00:51:43.000 I'm on board.
00:51:44.000 However, as a matter of practicality, would it not be smarter for the woman not to go up to the hotel room with the man in the first place if she can avoid it?
00:51:52.000 Is it bad advice to say, listen, you can do whatever you want.
00:51:56.000 It doesn't remove the moral responsibility from the man or add moral responsibility to you.
00:52:00.000 But, just to be smart, wouldn't you want some risk mitigation here?
00:52:04.000 Our entire life is about risk mitigation, and pretending that it's not is just blinding yourself to reality.
00:52:09.000 It's really sickening to me what they're doing to Mayim Bialik.
00:52:11.000 Just ridiculous.
00:52:12.000 And demonstrates the scorn that people have for religious people.
00:52:14.000 Mayim Bialik is a quasi-Orthodox Jew, and so she abides by certain rules of modesty.
00:52:20.000 It's so funny.
00:52:21.000 The Independent ran a piece like three days ago saying that Islam was the solution to sexual harassment.
00:52:26.000 And Mayim Bialik basically says that simple Judeo-Christian modesty might be a way of minimizing opportunities for bad men to sexually harass you, and she's the one raked over the coals.
00:52:35.000 Amazing how that works.
00:52:36.000 Okay, so I was gonna do the big idea today, but I think that we may have run out of time, so we'll do it instead tomorrow, maybe with the mailbag.
00:52:43.000 We'll be back home tomorrow, so less technical difficulties.
00:52:45.000 We apologize for any technical difficulties you experience, but we will be back home from Tennessee tomorrow.
00:52:50.000 I am Ben Shapiro.
00:52:51.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.