The Ben Shapiro Show - Are You Ready To Fumble? | Ep. 1104

00:00:00.000 We prepare for the first big debate between Trump and Biden.

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00:01:48.000 Okay, so tonight is the big first debate.

00:01:51.000 Huge!

00:01:52.000 Magnificent!

00:01:52.000 Awesome!

00:01:53.000 Only one problem.

00:01:54.000 Really, there's a problem.

00:01:56.000 70% of Americans say the debates make no difference to them.

00:01:58.000 So 30% of Americans say that the debates make some difference to them.

00:02:02.000 So what do the expectations need to be for each side?

00:02:05.000 Well, the problem for President Trump is that Trump has set the expectations so low for Biden that basically all Biden has to do is not obviously have a needle hanging out of his arm and stay alive.

00:02:15.000 Those are literally the only two things that Biden has to do.

00:02:18.000 He needs to not have a complete physical or mental collapse on the stage.

00:02:21.000 And he needs to be not caught using performance enhancing drugs.

00:02:24.000 Those are the standards that Trump has set.

00:02:26.000 And frankly, that's kind of Trump's fault.

00:02:28.000 One of the keys to politics is lowering your own expectations and heightening expectations for the other side.

00:02:33.000 So what you really should be doing in the lead up to a debate is talking about how incredible the other guy is at debate.

00:02:39.000 You should be talking about how Joe Biden is a pro.

00:02:41.000 He's been doing this for years.

00:02:42.000 I'm a newbie.

00:02:43.000 He's going to do amazing.

00:02:44.000 I think he's really with it.

00:02:45.000 And then he goes in and he disappoints.

00:02:47.000 When you set the expectation at Joe Biden is dead, and if he is not dead, it's because he is using some sort of cocaine.

00:02:53.000 Well, then the standards are really, really low.

00:02:55.000 So that means that all Biden basically has to do to be declared the winner is stay somewhat coherent Maybe for the first hour of the debate, because nobody is going to watch both hours.

00:03:04.000 This is the dirty secret also, is that most people tend to tune out over the course of the debates.

00:03:09.000 The first 15-20 minutes makes the biggest difference in the debate.

00:03:13.000 And you can expect that there will be a lot of rock'em, sock'em robots in those moments, which we'll discuss in just a second.

00:03:18.000 Meanwhile, the expectations for Trump are weightier.

00:03:21.000 Trump actually has to somehow swivel opinion.

00:03:23.000 Now, what he has been good at in debate historically is tearing down his opposition.

00:03:27.000 This is what he's been best at.

00:03:28.000 He goes on attack.

00:03:29.000 He throws the kitchen sink.

00:03:30.000 He says he'll arrest Hillary in open debate if he's made president.

00:03:33.000 Didn't happen, but a boy can dream.

00:03:36.000 He suggested that he was that he was going to basically physically beat down some of his Republican opponents in debates.

00:03:44.000 And you can expect that that sort of thing will happen from Trump.

00:03:47.000 But the question is, what can he do that really shifts opinions about Biden?

00:03:50.000 And the answer is that unless Biden himself collapses, This debate is really in Biden's hands.

00:03:55.000 It is not in Trump's hands.

00:03:56.000 Trump is going to do all of the same things he normally does.

00:03:58.000 And the question is, can Biden handle it?

00:04:00.000 Can Biden handle the fact that Trump is the kid you didn't want to fight in high school?

00:04:04.000 Not because the kid was a great fighter, but because the kid was absolutely out of his mind.

00:04:07.000 There's always one of these kids in high school.

00:04:09.000 There's a kid in my high school.

00:04:10.000 His name was Michael. 0.98

00:04:11.000 And Michael was a nut. 0.99

00:04:13.000 OK, like a complete crazy person. 0.99

00:04:15.000 And he wasn't the biggest dude. 0.95

00:04:16.000 He's kind of small and wiry. 0.91

00:04:17.000 But if you got into a fight with him, You never knew if he was just going to pull out a switchblade and try to cut off your face. 0.94

00:04:22.000 Right? 0.75

00:04:22.000 I mean, that's Trump in debate. 0.75

00:04:24.000 You don't want to be in a debate with him mainly because he is unexpected.

00:04:28.000 Now, I think that Biden's tactic is going to be to be very aggressive with Trump at the beginning and try and throw Trump off his game.

00:04:33.000 I think that Trump's tactic is going to be to be very aggressive with Biden at the very beginning and try to throw Biden off his game.

00:04:39.000 And I think in reality, what it's going to look like is exactly what I've said for literally two years at this point.

00:04:44.000 It's going to be Chewbacca versus the Swedish chef.

00:04:46.000 It's just going to be a bunch of nonsense that they each spout at each other. 0.56

00:04:49.000 It's going to be... So pick your fighter.

00:04:55.000 Is it Chewbacca or the Swedish chef?

00:04:57.000 Nary three words of English will be spoken in this entire debate.

00:05:00.000 How much intellectual policy will be discussed in this debate?

00:05:04.000 Almost zero. 0.88

00:05:05.000 Instead, what you're going to get is Joe Biden implying that Trump killed 200,000 people of COVID and also that Trump is the worst person in the entire world. 0.96

00:05:12.000 And from Trump, you're going to get that Joe Biden is senile, maybe on performance enhancing drugs and corrupt, right? 0.88

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00:05:19.000 So tonight you can watch Cobra Kai instead of watching the debate and then show up tomorrow and sum it up all for you.

00:05:24.000 How do I know this is what the debate is going to be like?

00:05:26.000 Because we got the preview over the weekend.

00:05:27.000 So Joe Biden over the weekend did an interview in which he suggested that Trump was like Joseph Goebbels, which is one hell of a supposition.

00:05:35.000 Trump is a lot of things, but comparing him to the Nazis, I think probably not on that.

00:05:41.000 And put aside the fact that he's the most pro-Israel president in American history, it seems like you should just generally make a non-habit of citing Joseph Goebbels as in like the Nazi propagandist in conjunction with the president of the United States.

00:05:54.000 Here was Joe Biden doing that over the weekend.

00:05:57.000 I'm not sure anybody hadn't already made up their mind there for Trump, but who knows?

00:06:03.000 But that's, you know, he's sort of like Goebbels.

00:06:05.000 You say the lie long enough, keep repeating, repeating, repeating, it becomes common knowledge.

00:06:11.000 Okay, Stephanie Ruhle tried to humor Biden through this particular interview on MSNBC. 1.00

00:06:15.000 You can see her kind of smiling through that.

00:06:16.000 Wouldn't you think that merits a follow-up at some point?

00:06:19.000 Like, if you're the media member, that he compares the sitting president of the United States to the Nazi propagandist, wouldn't you think that might merit some sort of follow-up?

00:06:26.000 Not from MSNBC, okay?

00:06:28.000 And then, by the way, how biased are the media?

00:06:30.000 And this is going to play into the debate, too, because, of course, Chris Wallace, who I think will be a good moderator, he's been good in the past.

00:06:37.000 He's not Candy Crowley.

00:06:38.000 I don't think he's going to jump in necessarily and start Really shaping the contours of the debate the way that Crowley did in 2012, when she fact-checked Romney and got it absolutely wrong.

00:06:48.000 And by the way, apparently must have leaked to Barack Obama that she had certain documentation in her pocket.

00:06:52.000 I mean, in the middle of the debate in 2012, if you remember back eight years, Barack Obama was debating Romney, and Romney said a thing, and it was a true thing.

00:06:59.000 And Obama literally said to Candy Crowley, in your pocket, isn't there some documentation showing he's wrong?

00:07:05.000 I mean, it was pretty incredible.

00:07:06.000 I don't think you're going to get that from Chris Wallace.

00:07:08.000 However, the media spin afterward is going to be that if Biden remains alive, that he won.

00:07:12.000 How in the tank are the media for Biden?

00:07:13.000 OK, in the middle of the Stephanie Ruhle interview, he literally gets lost in the middle of the interview and Stephanie Ruhle starts guiding him out.

00:07:19.000 And she's like, put your hand on my shoulder this time with my permission, Joe, and I will guide you out of these wilds.

00:07:27.000 The Paycheck Protection Act.

00:07:28.000 You know, 1% of the money's gone out.

00:07:30.000 1%.

00:07:30.000 1% of the, uh, that's not the paycheck, the, the, the, um, uh, the, uh, the bill for small, for major, for small businesses.

00:07:42.000 Okay, so this is great.

00:07:43.000 We're going to have senile Sam the Eagle taking on President Trump's Chewbacca.

00:07:48.000 And that's the angle, right? 0.98

00:07:49.000 So Biden is just going to call Trump a liar. 0.92

00:07:51.000 He's going to suggest he's responsible for mass death, for mass carnage. 0.99

00:07:54.000 And Trump's response is going to be, you're a senile old man.

00:07:56.000 So it'll be entertaining.

00:07:57.000 Is it going to change anybody's mind?

00:07:58.000 Not unless one of the two candidates does it to themselves.

00:08:01.000 Now, the good news for Trump is it's going to be very difficult for anybody to change a perception of Trump.

00:08:05.000 Whenever you think about Trump, you've thought about Trump for a very long time.

00:08:08.000 Nobody is changing their mind on Trump.

00:08:09.000 Really, the Upside for Biden is that he doesn't have to do very much.

00:08:14.000 The downside for Biden is that if he doesn't do it, it's going to be devastating for him.

00:08:17.000 Because again, all the opinions are in on Trump.

00:08:19.000 They're not all in on Biden yet because he's been able to ride this thing out without doing really any serious sort of media.

00:08:25.000 Kamala Harris has avoided every, she has not done a single press gaggle since she was nominated vice president, which is insane. 1.00

00:08:30.000 Joe Biden in four of the last seven days has called a lid, meaning he's done zero media events.

00:08:36.000 That's not debate prep.

00:08:38.000 That's because he understands that if he stays away from the cameras and Trump is the center of attention, then Trump is in trouble.

00:08:43.000 So now Trump makes Biden the center of attention and the question is, can Joe stand up to it?

00:08:48.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:10:00.000 Okay, so Trump for his part says he's looking forward to the debate.

00:10:04.000 Now, what we've been hearing over and over is that Trump didn't actually prep for this thing.

00:10:07.000 Which is a huge mistake.

00:10:09.000 It is a big, big, big mistake.

00:10:11.000 Because Biden does have the capacity still to memorize a couple of facts and figures.

00:10:16.000 He showed this in his little CNN interview, his little CNN town hall.

00:10:19.000 He'll have a few things memorized.

00:10:21.000 Trump's usual ability in debate is to stick and move.

00:10:24.000 And also, he really, really requires a crowd.

00:10:27.000 Trump is a showman.

00:10:28.000 He's a stand-up comedian.

00:10:29.000 The crowd really helps him.

00:10:30.000 The fact there will be no crowd here means that he's not gonna get a response for him.

00:10:34.000 So if he says something funny, It could obviously fall flat.

00:10:38.000 In any case, Trump says he's looking forward to the debate tonight.

00:10:42.000 We look forward to seeing him in the debate.

00:10:44.000 He's got a lot more experience.

00:10:45.000 He's got 47 years.

00:10:46.000 I've got three and a half years.

00:10:50.000 He's got 47 years of experience.

00:10:53.000 You know, I always sort of smile when he said like, we should have done this.

00:10:57.000 We should have done that.

00:10:58.000 We should have all these things.

00:10:59.000 Right.

00:10:59.000 I said, why didn't you do him?

00:11:01.000 He's been there.

00:11:02.000 And it's not like he left 20 years ago.

00:11:06.000 47 years and he left three and a half years ago, right?

00:11:09.000 So why the hell didn't you do him?

00:11:10.000 Now he wants all these great ideas.

00:11:12.000 That's a real beauty.

00:11:13.000 OK, so this actually is a really good angle for Trump.

00:11:16.000 The problem, as always with the Trump campaign, is that the message is split.

00:11:19.000 If his message had been for months that Biden's been there for 47 years, he did none of the things he is talking about doing.

00:11:24.000 He's been incompetent every step of the way.

00:11:25.000 The only reason that he's famous is because Barack Obama plucked him from presidential failure and obscurity and decided to make him VP specifically because he was kind of the go along to get along chummy fellow from the Senate.

00:11:35.000 That's a good angle.

00:11:36.000 The problem is that Trump splits his message, as always.

00:11:39.000 So over the weekend, Trump also said that Biden was taking performance-enhancing drugs.

00:11:43.000 Again, that lowers expectations.

00:11:44.000 Because once you say that Biden is taking performance-enhancing drugs, basically, unless the man keels over on the stage completely, people are just going to declare that he surpassed expectations.

00:11:53.000 If you look at some of those debates, I said, there's no way he can continue.

00:11:57.000 He can't continue.

00:11:58.000 Then all of a sudden he debated crazy Bernie Sanders.

00:12:02.000 And you know what?

00:12:02.000 The truth is he was, he was okay.

00:12:05.000 And I said, how did he go from there with those horrible performances to where he was okay?

00:12:11.000 And I always joke, but you know, it is true.

00:12:13.000 He was no Winston Churchill in debating, but he was fine.

00:12:19.000 People say he was on performance enhancing drugs.

00:12:24.000 A lot of people have said that.

00:12:26.000 A lot of people have written that.

00:12:27.000 This morning, Rudy Giuliani went on Fox & Friends and suggested that Biden was on Adderall.

00:12:31.000 OK, here's the thing.

00:12:32.000 If Biden does well enough that you have to suggest that he's on performance-enhancing drugs, you lose, because there is no drug testing.

00:12:38.000 Plus, the idea of Joe Biden on serious performance-enhancing drugs, like he's taking the steroids.

00:12:43.000 I mean, all of this will be amusing.

00:12:45.000 I mean, it'll be good TV.

00:12:47.000 Let's say that Biden is doing well halfway through, and Trump's like, why don't you take a drug test, Joe?

00:12:50.000 Are you using the cream?

00:12:52.000 And the clear?

00:12:52.000 And the clear and the cream?

00:12:53.000 And Biden's like, I'm as agile as I am.

00:12:56.000 I mean, again, good TV.

00:12:58.000 No one's going to know what the hell is going on tonight.

00:13:00.000 So watch it for the entertainment value.

00:13:02.000 Unless there is some sort of epic Biden collapse, I don't think it's going to make much of a difference because it's hard to change opinions about Trump.

00:13:09.000 It's not super easy to change opinions about Biden because the expectations have been so wildly lowered.

00:13:14.000 OK, with all of that said, the two big topics that will certainly come up tonight are Amy Coney Barrett, the Presidential nominee to fill the RBG seat, which that'll be a good topic for Trump, a very good topic for Trump, especially because Joe Biden has been attempting to avoid all responsibility for talking about packing the court and Trump's taxes.

00:13:31.000 That will come up because the media decided to lay out a hit on Trump two days before the debate.

00:13:37.000 It seemed pretty obvious, given how quickly the Biden campaign started turning around ads, that they had some sort of prior knowledge of this.

00:13:43.000 But in any case, we'll get to that in one second.

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00:14:59.000 Okay, so two of the big topics Obviously, COVID is going to come up tonight, and Trump is going to have to defend his COVID record.

00:15:06.000 And when it comes to COVID, Trump's case basically should be that he gave all of the states exactly what they needed.

00:15:14.000 That Biden has not made a single proposal that is different from anything Trump has already said.

00:15:18.000 That Biden was holding rallies into early March and all of the rest.

00:15:21.000 And that right now, Trump is intent on opening up the country while Biden has said he will shut it back down.

00:15:25.000 So I think Trump can defend himself on the COVID stuff.

00:15:27.000 The big problem for Trump is that Biden is going to come at him and say, you were purposely downplaying it to the American public.

00:15:32.000 You said you were downplaying it.

00:15:33.000 Trump has said that he was both downplaying it and upplaying it.

00:15:36.000 Biden's theme tonight is that Trump is dishonest. 0.99

00:15:38.000 And Trump's theme tonight is going to be that Biden is senile and incompetent. 0.97

00:15:41.000 Those are going to be the themes of the evening.

00:15:44.000 And so, let's take those themes to the two key topics that are not COVID-related tonight.

00:15:49.000 One is the filling of the seat held most lately by Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

00:15:54.000 I hesitate to call it RBG's seat because it is not RBG's seat.

00:15:57.000 It is nobody's seat.

00:15:58.000 It is a Supreme Court seat that was filled by RBG.

00:16:00.000 Just like it is not Trump's Oval Office, it is the Oval Office and Trump occupies it. 0.55

00:16:04.000 That seat does not belong to Ruth Bader Ginsburg, which is why it's so unbelievably silly when you hear these ridiculous people suggesting that RBG's dying wish Judge Ginsburg had a dying wish that the next president choose. 0.53

00:16:15.000 be filled by somebody that she selects.

00:16:16.000 This is something Chuck Schumer continues to push over the weekend.

00:16:19.000 Judge Ginsburg had a dying wish that the next president choose as the American people learn of Judge Barrett's views, they're going to she is going to become very unpopular with average Americans.

00:16:34.000 And as that unpopularity rises, I hope they will put pressure on their Republican senators to adhere to Judge Ginsburg's dying wish and let the next president decide.

00:16:48.000 Hey, there is no dying wish provision in the Constitution of the United States.

00:16:51.000 As my friend Bridget Phetasy has said, filling a Supreme Court seat is not a make a wish foundation kind of thing.

00:16:55.000 You don't get to decide exactly how that seat is going to be filled.

00:16:58.000 That is not how any of this works. 0.99

00:17:00.000 It's a very stupid point that people continue to press forward as though this is, quote unquote, RBGC. 0.97

00:17:04.000 It is not RBGC. 0.99

00:17:06.000 In the same sense that again, the Oval Office is not Trump's office.

00:17:09.000 That's not the way any of that works.

00:17:11.000 Okay, but the Democrats continue to push forward against Amy Coney Barrett. 0.82

00:17:15.000 The problem is that Amy Coney Barrett happens to be a fantastic nominee and people from both sides of the aisle know that she's a fantastic nominee.

00:17:20.000 Noah Feldman, who teaches at Harvard Law School, And is very much on the left.

00:17:24.000 You'll remember that Noah Feldman testified on behalf of the impeachment inquiry into President Trump, suggesting that he should in fact be impeached over his activities with regard to Ukraine.

00:17:32.000 He came out, he wrote a column, he said she's very well qualified for the Supreme Court.

00:17:35.000 There are a bunch of folks left, right and center who have come out and said that she is qualified for the Supreme Court.

00:17:39.000 So over the weekend, Trump did what he does best.

00:17:41.000 He provided a very good event in which he introduced Amy Coney Barrett.

00:17:44.000 Here was what Amy Coney Barrett had to say.

00:17:46.000 I am so grateful to you and the First Lady, to the Vice President and the Second Lady, and to so many others here for your kindness on this rather overwhelming occasion.

00:17:59.000 I fully understand that this is a momentous decision for a President, and if the Senate does me the honor of confirming me, I pledge to discharge the responsibilities of this job to the very best of my ability.

00:18:14.000 I love the United States, and I love the United States Constitution.

00:18:18.000 Okay, she continued along these lines, and she pointed out her own political philosophy.

00:18:24.000 She said, judges are not policy makers.

00:18:25.000 It is their job to interpret the law.

00:18:27.000 It is not to make the law, which of course is the key to both textualism and originalism.

00:18:30.000 Judges are a different body than the legislature.

00:18:33.000 This is why she is a good nominee and a good judge.

00:18:36.000 I clerked for Justice Scalia more than 20 years ago, but the lessons I learned still resonate.

00:18:43.000 His judicial philosophy is mine too.

00:18:47.000 A judge must apply the law as written.

00:18:51.000 Judges are not policy makers, and they must be resolute in setting aside any policy views they might hold.

00:19:00.000 Okay, again, this is the key to a good judge.

00:19:03.000 Under any circumstances, a judge's job is to interpret the law.

00:19:05.000 It is not to make the law.

00:19:07.000 So they know that they can't attack her on her basic judicial philosophy because it's the same philosophy that animates Thomas and Scalia and Alito.

00:19:16.000 And there are variations within that sort of rubric, but those variations are fairly well established.

00:19:21.000 So instead, they've decided to go after Amy Coney Barrett on a personal level.

00:19:24.000 So Amy Coney Barrett has seven children.

00:19:25.000 Two of them are adopted and are from Haiti.

00:19:27.000 She is, by all accounts, an excellent mother.

00:19:30.000 She certainly is not a subjugated woman. 1.00

00:19:32.000 She's being nominated for the Supreme Court. 0.99

00:19:34.000 Here's Amy Coney Barrett explaining that her children are her greatest joy.

00:19:38.000 Our children obviously make our life very full.

00:19:42.000 While I am a judge, I'm better known back home as a room parent, carpool driver, and birthday party planner.

00:19:49.000 When schools went remote last spring, I tried on another hat.

00:19:53.000 Jesse and I became co-principals of the Barrett E-Learning Academy.

00:19:58.000 And yes, the list of enrolled students was a very long one.

00:20:03.000 Our children are my greatest joy, even though they deprive me of any reasonable amount of sleep.

00:20:08.000 So the good news about Amy Coney Barrett's nomination is not just that she will be a very good justice, in my opinion, but also that she is just a magnet for the hatred of the left.

00:20:17.000 It's insane.

00:20:18.000 You knew it was coming, right?

00:20:19.000 Because she's a religious Catholic.

00:20:20.000 And because she has seven kids, including two adopted from Haiti, you knew the left was going to lose their mind over the fact that this is a religious person. 0.96

00:20:26.000 Because the dirty little secret is, for many on the left, people who are religious are evil. 1.00

00:20:31.000 People who are religious are benighted morons who cannot be let near the levers of power. 1.00

00:20:35.000 Anybody who is religious is a theocrat by nature. 1.00

00:20:37.000 It cannot be that you're a religious person who believes in the strictures of the American Constitution, that you believe in a very solid and very rich social fabric that exists outside of government, but you believe that government's job is not to intervene in the lives of Americans.

00:20:49.000 You can't believe that. 0.96

00:20:50.000 If you're a religious person, you must be a simpleton. 1.00

00:20:53.000 Expressing this view most clearly was the creator of Religulous, an extraordinarily simplistic documentary on the stupidity of religion. 1.00

00:21:00.000 Here was Bill Maher over the weekend calling Amy Coney Barrett an effing nut. 0.99

00:21:04.000 Okay, now, you just saw her.

00:21:06.000 Does she sound like a nut to you?

00:21:09.000 Again, this is a woman who taught law at University of Notre Dame. 0.98

00:21:11.000 She clerked for Justice Scalia.

00:21:13.000 She's been on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals.

00:21:15.000 Does she sound like a nut to you?

00:21:16.000 Like, really?

00:21:17.000 But here was Maher, because she's religious. 1.00

00:21:20.000 She's a nut. 1.00

00:21:20.000 That's the way this works. 1.00

00:21:22.000 But apparently, the pick is gonna be this Omi... Omi... Amy Comey. 1.00

00:21:27.000 We'll all be saying this name a lot, I'm sure, because she's a f***ing nut. 1.00

00:21:34.000 I was right about that one, too. 0.99

00:21:34.000 Religion. 0.99

00:21:37.000 Amy... Sorry, but...

00:21:42.000 Amy Comey Barrett, Catholic, really Catholic.

00:21:46.000 I mean really, really Catholic.

00:21:48.000 Like, speaking in tongues.

00:21:50.000 Like, she doesn't believe in condoms, which is what she has in common with Trump, because he doesn't either.

00:21:55.000 Okay, so just a quick point.

00:21:58.000 I believe that the speaking in tongues thing, I'm pretty sure that that actually is Pentecostals.

00:22:02.000 Am I right about that?

00:22:03.000 I don't believe that that has anything to do with Catholicism.

00:22:05.000 But in any case, Bill Maher, you know, this is the attack, right?

00:22:09.000 The line of attack on Amy Coney Barrett is that she's too religious and she's very, very bad. 0.96

00:22:13.000 In order to promulgate that attack, all they have to do is just ignore all the facts about Amy Coney Barrett.

00:22:17.000 So, there's a piece in The New Yorker today by Jeffrey Toobin suggesting that she's going to be an anti-abortion extremist because she's religious. 0.84

00:22:27.000 The only reason that she's being nominated is because she wants to get rid of abortion because she is, in fact, a Catholic nutjob. 0.98

00:22:33.000 This is the basic idea here. 0.53

00:22:35.000 Now, let's be clear about this.

00:22:37.000 Roe v. Wade is a terrible case.

00:22:38.000 There are people left, right, and center who acknowledge that Roe v. Wade is a poorly reasoned decision that has nothing to do with the Constitution of the United States.

00:22:45.000 The truth is Roe v. Wade is not going to be overturned by Amy Coney Barrett or nearly anybody else.

00:22:49.000 Instead, they may pare back Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which is the Undue burden standard, which is, again, a very, very silly standard.

00:22:55.000 But in any case, the anti-religious nature of what's going on right now is very clear to everyone.

00:23:01.000 And that is a good thing for Trump, politically speaking, because there are a lot of Catholics in Michigan.

00:23:05.000 There are a lot of Catholics in Pennsylvania.

00:23:06.000 There are a lot of Catholics in Wisconsin.

00:23:07.000 Those are three fairly heavily Catholic states.

00:23:10.000 And he needs at least one of those three states right now.

00:23:14.000 Right now, if I'm looking at the polling data in these various battleground states, Trump is basically running dead even inside the margin of error with Biden in Florida.

00:23:22.000 And he is running about five points down in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, according to the latest polling averages.

00:23:27.000 He's running about even in North Carolina, and he's running slightly down in Arizona.

00:23:30.000 In order for Trump to replicate the map, he needs to win Arizona, and then he needs to pick up one of those other three states.

00:23:35.000 The attacks on religion that are being levied by the Democrats against Amy Coney Barrett could be helpful in that.

00:23:41.000 And the media are falling right into the trap.

00:23:43.000 So that is good political news for Trump.

00:23:45.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:24:55.000 Okay, so the attacks on Amy Coney Barrett.

00:24:58.000 I've come from basically a couple angles, and they're both personal.

00:25:01.000 One is the religious angle.

00:25:03.000 So you've seen the Associated Press run a ridiculous story targeting a group to which Barrett belongs called People of Praise.

00:25:10.000 People of Praise is basically just a religious get-together group.

00:25:12.000 By the way, it's non-ecumenical, meaning that it is not a purely Catholic group.

00:25:15.000 The AP ran a long story about the evils of this People of Praise group, and they used specifically the descriptions of a woman named Coral Anika Thiel.

00:25:25.000 To talk about how evil this group was.

00:25:28.000 There's only one problem, according to Kevin Daley over at The Federalist.

00:25:31.000 This woman has a track record of hyper-partisan online posting, far-fetched lawsuits, and fantastic grievance peddling that cast doubt on her credibility. 1.00

00:25:38.000 A review of this woman's writings, and again, she was used as the chief source in the attacks against People of Praise.

00:25:42.000 A review of her writings, litigation history, and social media footprint.

00:25:46.000 Shows Thiel has accused her own children, her parents, her therapists, and her attorneys of abuse and neglect while waging a quixotic legal crusade against them since the late 1990s.

00:25:54.000 Her ex-husband, Vaughn Martin Warner, obtained a defamation judgment against her in 2014.

00:26:00.000 So once again, the media jumped on the story, which is that people of praise is evil and terrible, and also suggested things that are just patently false about people of praise, which again is just basically a social group for Catholics and some Protestants to get together and try to do good in their community.

00:26:13.000 There are a couple of things where they have jumped specifically on them.

00:26:16.000 One is that women call themselves handmaids in this group until a couple of years ago when the handmaid's tale became like a big cultural phenomenon.

00:26:23.000 The reason they were called handmaids is not because, in fact, they were involved in some sort of bizarre sex cult, a la The Handmaid's Tale.

00:26:29.000 It's because, in the New Testament, Mary is described as a handmaiden for God.

00:26:33.000 Right?

00:26:33.000 So the idea was that women are supposed to be handmaidens for God, in the Catholic view.

00:26:37.000 So, that is fairly uncontroversial.

00:26:39.000 Also, apparently, it is deeply controversial to say that men ought to be the head of their household, because, biblically speaking, it talks about a man being the head of the household.

00:26:47.000 Now, for those who are non-religious, let me explain.

00:26:50.000 When it says that a man is the head of a household, so in Judaism, the head of the household, the man, is called the Baal Habayit, right, which literally means the master of the house.

00:26:58.000 That doesn't mean that the master of the house is the unparalleled ruler of the household.

00:27:02.000 In fact, if you read the Bible, what you'll see is that women are very often in control of the household. 1.00

00:27:05.000 Sarah is much more in control of the household than Abraham ever is. 0.91

00:27:09.000 Okay, well all it means that you're the master of the household is that you are held responsible for what happens in the household.

00:27:15.000 That's all that means.

00:27:16.000 Okay, it doesn't mean that every single decision that gets made is made without the input of your wife.

00:27:21.000 First of all, any husband who does that will be divorced within five minutes or will be in a deeply unhappy marriage.

00:27:26.000 But for non-religious people, they see master of the house and they think, oh, well, that means that he's enslaving his wife and he's enslaving his children and they're his property. 0.95

00:27:32.000 No, it means that you are held responsible for what happens in your household.

00:27:35.000 And as the person held responsible, that means you have a higher degree of responsibility for what happens inside your household.

00:27:41.000 End of story.

00:27:42.000 That's all that means.

00:27:43.000 It also means that in issues of justice with kids, typically, men tend to be the court of final appeal, which every single human being knows.

00:27:49.000 If you've ever lived in a household with a father and a mother, they hold very different roles in the household, generally speaking.

00:27:57.000 Not true in every single case, but on average, the disciplinarian in the house is dad.

00:28:01.000 Because you've got a teenage boy who's 13 years old and he's making trouble, and mom gets mad, guess what a 13-year-old boy does?

00:28:07.000 Unfortunately, they typically laugh.

00:28:09.000 And then mom says, wait till dad gets home.

00:28:11.000 So when the Bible talks about the head of the household being a man, it doesn't mean women are disregarded or ought to be disregarded.

00:28:17.000 And all of this in pursuit of a narrative that Amy Coney Barrett is pregnant and in the kitchen.

00:28:22.000 She's literally on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals and now is going to be on the Supreme Court of the United States. 0.73

00:28:26.000 So I don't know how you even square that circle, but.

00:28:28.000 Democrats will do their best.

00:28:30.000 The other angle that I saw emerging over the weekend, and this one is just insane.

00:28:33.000 I think Democrats will be smart enough to stay away from this, but not the radicals in their own party. 0.97

00:28:37.000 So Ibram X. Kendi, who's just a disgusting human being. 0.91

00:28:39.000 I mean, Ibram X. Kendi's view of anti-racism, which I've talked about extensively on the program, is itself racist as well as fascist.

00:28:46.000 This is a person who has openly proposed creating inside the executive branch of the United States a department of anti-racism tasked with striking down any law in the United States, local, state, or federal, that has a disparate impact on people.

00:28:59.000 Meaning that if a law has a different impact on black people than white people, Not because it is intended to have a different impact, or because it is directed at black people and white people differently, but because people act differently in particular groups.

00:29:13.000 Then that will be declared racist, and this fascist department will have the power to strike it down and simply rewrite the law without being elected, right?

00:29:19.000 I mean, this department of anti-racism is not subject to outside pressures. 1.00

00:29:22.000 That is the view of Ibram Kendi, who's an idiot. 1.00

00:29:24.000 Okay, but he's a very successful idiot. 1.00

00:29:27.000 He's made an extraordinary con out of this. 1.00

00:29:28.000 I mean, the guy writes for The Atlantic, and he has gotten a $10 million donation from Moron Jack Dorsey over at Twitter.

00:29:34.000 Here's what he tweeted out.

00:29:35.000 After Jenny Beth Martin of Tea Party USA, or of the Tea Party, Generally.

00:29:42.000 Jenny Beth Martin tweeted out about Amy Coney Barrett about her kids, and she pointed out that Amy Coney Barrett has two adopted children from Haiti.

00:29:50.000 Here's what Ibram Kendi tweeted out, and this is just morally benighted.

00:29:56.000 Okay, so let's just be clear.

00:29:57.000 The response to Amy Coney Barrett is not a racist.

00:29:59.000 again, scare quotes, these scare quoted savage children in the quote unquote superior ways of white people while using them as props in their lifelong pictures of denial while cutting the biological parents of these children out of the picture of humanity.

00:30:12.000 Okay, so let's just be clear.

00:30:14.000 The response to Amy Coney Barrett is not a racist, she has two adopted black children is, some white racists used to adopt black children and then civilized these quote unquote savage children and then use them as props.

00:30:25.000 So the only reason you say that is because you're implying And maybe that is exactly what Amy Coney Barrett is doing without evidence.

00:30:31.000 That she adopted two kids who needed parents from a greatly impoverished country.

00:30:36.000 And Ibram Kendi's take is, well, she's a white lady who's adopting black kids, that means she's using them as props. 1.00

00:30:41.000 See, whenever you get owned on Twitter, your typical response on the left is, it's Russian bots. 1.00

00:30:44.000 It's not Russian bots, it's that you're an idiot. 1.00

00:30:46.000 If they have or adopt a child of color, they can't be racist. 1.00

00:30:49.000 I'm challenging the idea that white parents of kids of color are inherently not racist. 0.92

00:30:52.000 And the bots completely changed what I'm saying to white parents of kids of color are inherently racist.

00:30:56.000 These live and fake bots are good at their propaganda.

00:30:58.000 Let's not argue with them.

00:30:59.000 See, whenever you get owned on Twitter, your typical response on the left is it's Russian bots. 1.00

00:31:03.000 It's not Russian bots, it's that you're an idiot and you're a morally benighted idiot at that. 1.00

00:31:07.000 If you wanna read more deeply about cross-racial adoption, Randall Kennedy, professor at Harvard Law School, has written several books about cross-racial adoption and the immense good that can be done when people adopt people as individuals as opposed to as quote unquote members of their race. 1.00

00:31:21.000 Yeah, it doesn't mean ignoring the racial divisions that exist.

00:31:24.000 It doesn't mean ignoring the racial background of the child you are adopting. 0.78

00:31:27.000 But Abraham Kennedy's just gross. 0.98

00:31:30.000 Just gross. 0.97

00:31:30.000 So more of this, please. 0.97

00:31:31.000 If you're on the right, more of this.

00:31:34.000 The reason that Trump put up Amy Coney Barrett is specifically to act as a magnet for this sort of bat bleepery. 1.00

00:31:39.000 From the left.

00:31:40.000 And so far, it seems to be doing the job.

00:31:42.000 Meanwhile, Joe Biden should be asked questions about Amy Coney Barrett tonight.

00:31:46.000 He should be forced to call her a theocrat, which would be interesting because he is a Catholic himself, supposedly.

00:31:51.000 And when I say supposedly, I mean that he's been denied communion by at least one church for his pro-abortion positions.

00:31:57.000 Biden also should be asked specifically about packing the court.

00:32:01.000 So Biden's entire campaign thus far has been run on the premise that he's never going to have to answer a tough question.

00:32:08.000 And except for the base, he probably won't.

00:32:11.000 By the way, breaking news, apparently Joe Biden asked for and was refused a half hour break every half hour for the entire debate tonight, which does not speak well to his health, actually.

00:32:22.000 And if you're asking, but like on the half hour, I mean, this show, this podcast is normally an hour.

00:32:29.000 If I had to get up like every single half hour, that would not speak extraordinarily well of my health.

00:32:33.000 Apparently, the Trump campaign also wanted the Biden campaign to allow a third party to inspect the ears of the debaters for electronic devices or transmitters.

00:32:39.000 Apparently, Trump consented to the inspection, but Biden had not as of this point at all.

00:32:45.000 In any case, Biden has been dodging serious questions about court packing, and he will openly say, the reason I'm dodging these questions is because I want the focus to remain on Trump.

00:32:52.000 Here was Joe Biden dodging it again over the weekend.

00:33:17.000 That's the consequence.

00:33:19.000 Okay, so again, the fact that he won't answer the question about court packing is pretty telling.

00:33:24.000 Kamala Harris wouldn't either.

00:33:26.000 The reason being, the true answer to this should be pretty easy.

00:33:29.000 Elect Democrats, and then when a vacancy is open, then we will fill it.

00:33:33.000 But instead, they don't want to deny the crazies in their base all of the passion.

00:33:37.000 So instead, they suggest that if you elect them, they will solve all problems, and the way to solve problems is to break the constitutional structure entirely.

00:33:43.000 Here's Kamala Harris deflecting when asked about court packing. 1.00

00:33:46.000 If Judge Barrett is confirmed and the Democrats have control of the Senate next year, and the White House and the House of Representatives, should the Supreme Court be expanded?

00:33:55.000 You know what, let's, I think that, first of all, Joe's been very clear that he is going to pay attention to the fact, and I'm with him on this 1,000%, pay attention to the fact that right now, Lawrence, people are voting Okay, that is... Okay, at some point they're going to have to answer this question.

00:34:18.000 Would you fundamentally break institutions of government?

00:34:21.000 It's amazing that they've been able to escape a follow-up on that sort of stuff for, at this point, weeks.

00:34:26.000 Weeks.

00:34:27.000 Maybe months.

00:34:29.000 And by the way, if these are the geniuses who are going to run our government, they're going to fix everything, it would behoove people like Kamala Harris not to screw up the distinction between Notorious RBG, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and the Notorious B.I.G., you know, the rapper. 1.00

00:34:43.000 Even I knew that one, Kamala.

00:34:45.000 She was part of our culture.

00:34:48.000 Yes, we wear those notorious B.I.G.

00:34:52.000 t-shirts with a lot of pride.

00:34:55.000 Those notorious B.I.G.

00:34:56.000 t-shirts?

00:34:56.000 I don't think they say the same thing as the notorious R.B.G.

00:34:59.000 Just gonna put that out there.

00:34:59.000 t-shirts.

00:35:00.000 Okay, in just a second, we'll get to the other topic that will come up at tonight's debate, I am sure, at length, and that is President Trump's taxes and the New York Times dropping a supposed bombshell that really is not a bombshell.

00:35:10.000 On Trump.

00:35:11.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

00:35:12.000 First, let's talk about the fact that this election is pretty darned important.

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00:36:38.000 Former Trump administration press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders joined me to discuss her time working for the president.

00:36:43.000 Her best and worst days as press secretary.

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00:38:13.000 All righty, so the other big topic that I'm sure will come up tonight is obviously this New York Times report on President Trump's taxes.

00:38:24.000 So first things first, if somebody actually leaked proprietary information on Trump's taxes from like the IRS to the New York Times, that's illegal.

00:38:33.000 That should be somewhat disturbing to all of us.

00:38:35.000 Now, I've been a proponent for a long time that Trump should have released his tax returns in 2016, and then certainly after he was president, he should have just released his tax returns.

00:38:42.000 Like, what the hell was the downside of just releasing the tax returns?

00:38:45.000 I'm also not of the opinion that this is going to be an entirely damage-free scenario for Trump, because what they report is that Trump, in the last couple of years, has paid like a combined $1,500 in federal taxes.

00:38:56.000 And the natural reaction of people is not a logical one, namely that our system itself is screwed up, that our deduction system is really messed up in this country, that we should basically just have a flat tax in this country, and we should get rid of all of the deductions entirely.

00:39:09.000 Instead of that, people react with, well, he's a rich guy, why isn't he paying lots of taxes?

00:39:12.000 Okay, the answer is that over the years, he has, I'm sure, paid many, many, many taxes.

00:39:17.000 Also, it is true that he has not done anything illegal.

00:39:20.000 So normally, in a situation like this, you'd have to ask yourself, okay, so what did Trump do wrong?

00:39:24.000 So there are a few accusations as to what Trump could have done wrong here.

00:39:27.000 One, he did something illegal on his taxes, like tax fraud.

00:39:30.000 Presumably the IRS would be all over that.

00:39:31.000 Two, He could have obtained some sort of nefarious financial aid from some nefarious foreign players.

00:39:38.000 There's no evidence of that. 0.99

00:39:41.000 Or three, you somehow think that just because you're rich, you should be giving more money to the government than you are actually legally obligated to do, which is idiotic, and even Joe Biden doesn't do that. 0.98

00:39:48.000 As it turns out, Joe Biden has been spending years dodging the payroll tax. 0.96

00:39:53.000 I mean, in August, the Wall Street Journal reported that the Bidens dodged the payroll tax.

00:39:59.000 They used an S-corp to avoid paying more than half a million dollars in levies for Medicare and Obamacare as well.

00:40:06.000 Apparently, both he and Jill went out of their way to avoid funding seniors entitlement benefits according to their tax returns in 2017 and 2018.

00:40:11.000 The Bidens and his wife, Jill, avoided payroll taxes on nearly $13.3 million in income from book royalties and speaking fees.

00:40:18.000 They did so by classifying the income as S-corp profits rather than taxable wages.

00:40:23.000 The Bidens did pay themselves salaries from their corporations of nearly $750,000 between them over two years.

00:40:28.000 They paid full taxes on that income, but they circumvented the payroll tax on the nearly 95% of that income that remained.

00:40:35.000 A tax expert interviewed by the Journal in 2019 called the Biden scheme pretty aggressive.

00:40:38.000 Another told the paper it served solely to avoid the payroll taxes.

00:40:42.000 So here's the rule.

00:40:43.000 No.

00:40:43.000 Did they do anything illegal?

00:40:43.000 Did Trump do anything illegal?

00:40:44.000 No.

00:40:44.000 If you don't like the tax code, good idea.

00:40:45.000 You can restructure it.

00:40:46.000 Also, if you're complaining about the fact that President Trump didn't pay enough tax, you should also point out that Trump lowered taxes for everyone.

00:40:50.000 Obamacare and fund that law. 0.99

00:40:52.000 So here's the rule.

00:40:53.000 Did they do anything illegal?

00:40:54.000 No.

00:40:55.000 Did Trump do anything illegal?

00:40:56.000 No.

00:40:56.000 If you don't like the tax code, good idea.

00:40:58.000 You can restructure it.

00:40:59.000 Also, if you're complaining about the fact that President Trump didn't pay enough tax, you should also point out that Trump lowered taxes for everyone, specifically more so on the bottom end of the scale.

00:41:10.000 Okay, in sheer absolute numbers, whenever there's a tax cut, people at the top make the most money because people at the top had the most money to make.

00:41:17.000 But in terms of the disproportionate benefit of the taxes, it really hit people lower down on the income scale more than it hit people higher up on the income scale.

00:41:25.000 If you're not just talking like sheer absolute numbers, if you're talking about percentage decreases, or if you're talking about the benefits that are received under the tax bill, people like me living in California actually got shellacked by the Trump tax cuts because it got rid of the state and local tax deductions.

00:41:39.000 So that meant that I had to pay both my state and federal taxes, one on top of the other, as opposed to taking the state taxes in California and taking them against the federal taxes.

00:41:46.000 In any case, what exactly is the bombshell here?

00:41:49.000 So the New York Times reports that Donald Trump paid $750 total, $750, in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency.

00:41:56.000 In his first year in the White House, he paid another $750, period.

00:41:58.000 Not $750,000, $750.

00:42:02.000 Like, the cost of, you know, a couple of car payments.

00:42:06.000 He paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years, largely because he reported losing much more money than he made.

00:42:13.000 According to the New York Times, as the president wages a re-election campaign that polls say he is in danger of losing, his finances are under stress beset by losses and hundreds of millions of dollars in debt coming due that he has personally guaranteed.

00:42:24.000 Also hanging over him is a decade-long audit battle with the IRS over the legitimacy of a $72.9 million tax refund he claimed and received after declaring huge losses.

00:42:32.000 An adverse ruling could cost him more than $100 million.

00:42:35.000 The tax returns that Trump has long fought to keep private tell a story fundamentally different from the one he has sold to the American public.

00:42:42.000 His reports to the IRS portray a businessman who takes in hundreds of millions of dollars a year, yet racks up chronic losses that he aggressively employs to avoid paying taxes.

00:42:50.000 Now with financial challenges mounting, the records show he depends more and more on making money from businesses that put him in potential and often direct conflict of interest with his job as president.

00:42:58.000 So somehow, the New York Times obtained tax return data extending more than two decades for Trump and the hundreds of companies that make up his business.

00:43:04.000 Again, this is probably a legal violation in some way.

00:43:08.000 Trump, for his part, called them fake news.

00:43:10.000 He said, I have paid taxes.

00:43:11.000 He said, I've litigated this before.

00:43:13.000 You can't simultaneously say that they are fake news and also that you have, and also that you are smart for avoiding taxes, which is something that he has said in the past.

00:43:20.000 The New York Times, Dean Paquette, put out a full note talking about why they put this out.

00:43:24.000 And the answer is because they hate Donald Trump.

00:43:27.000 They say, we're not making the records themselves public because we do not want to jeopardize our sources who have taken enormous personal risks to help inform the public.

00:43:33.000 We are publishing this report because we believe citizens should understand as much as possible about their leaders and representatives, their priorities, their experiences, and also their finances.

00:43:41.000 So in other words, it's not a violation of law for the New York Times to do this.

00:43:45.000 Just a note, the New York Times was a lot more divided in nature about publishing the WikiLeaks stuff, which again, I think there's a case we made we shouldn't have published the WikiLeaks stuff.

00:43:55.000 Than they have been about publishing Trump's taxes.

00:43:59.000 The basic idea here is threefold from Democrats.

00:44:02.000 One, Trump is not the successful businessman he says he is, which, I mean, okay, sure.

00:44:09.000 Also, whatever you think about how Trump has handled his businesses, he has not used public office in order to enrich himself.

00:44:14.000 Joe Biden was worth no money, then he was vice president, now he's worth tens of millions of dollars.

00:44:19.000 Barack Obama had the same deal, like his net worth when he entered office was like a million bucks or something, and now Barack Obama is probably worth nine figures, probably worth $100 million now.

00:44:28.000 It turns out that people who make money after being in public office pose significantly more of a threat to the institutional architecture of the republic than people who had a lot of money going in.

00:44:37.000 I've always been bewildered by the idea that if you were rich before you went in, somehow this is a demerit.

00:44:42.000 It seems like that should actually be a merit.

00:44:44.000 But it is true that part of Trump's pitch for a long time has been that he is world-breaking business genius, and I've doubted that story for a very long time.

00:44:50.000 I've always said I'm not even sure that he's worth a billion dollars.

00:44:52.000 That doesn't mean that he's poor, but it does mean that he is not the great businessman he said he was.

00:44:57.000 Okay, that's a hit, but it's not much of one.

00:44:59.000 The other hit is supposedly that Trump is dodging taxes.

00:45:04.000 Okay, and again, there's no evidence of this.

00:45:05.000 The New York Times itself says there's no evidence either that Trump has dodged taxes or has violated the law, or that he is in hock to the Rooskies.

00:45:13.000 And yet, those are all narratives that Democrats are trying to throw out there today.

00:45:16.000 So first of all, as far as paying no taxes, that actually is not breaking news. 0.96

00:45:20.000 All the way back in 2016, Hillary Clinton suggested that Trump paid no taxes, and Trump said, in open debate, right, I didn't pay taxes because I'm smart and not stupid.

00:45:29.000 Maybe he doesn't want the American people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes, because the only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax.

00:45:49.000 So, if he's paid zero, Okay, so he said that makes me far smarter, right?

00:45:55.000 He comes back and says it makes me far smarter than anybody else.

00:45:58.000 Okay, again, it's not like this is a big secret.

00:46:00.000 Everybody has sort of speculated about this for a very long time.

00:46:04.000 And the New York Times shows no evidence of illegality.

00:46:06.000 That doesn't stop Carl Bernstein.

00:46:07.000 Worse than Watergate, Carl Bernstein.

00:46:09.000 Carl Bernstein has spent his entire career just saying worse than Watergate ever since Watergate.

00:46:13.000 So this is worse than Watergate too.

00:46:14.000 Ukraine was worse than Watergate. 0.99

00:46:16.000 Trump talking about the election was worse than Watergate.

00:46:18.000 Everything is worse than Watergate for Carl Bernstein.

00:46:22.000 This is really the smoking gun of a pervasively criminal presidency. 0.98

00:46:28.000 We have a president of the United States who is a grifter. 1.00

00:46:32.000 His family are grifters. 0.99

00:46:34.000 And this is the definitive evidence of it. 0.88

00:46:37.000 This once again points to the president's foreign entanglements for his own political purposes and his own financial good.

00:46:46.000 There are certainly implications of tax fraud to begin with that needs to be looked at.

00:46:52.000 And will be looked at.

00:46:53.000 Remember that one time he reported a story and it was like 15 years before I was born and we're gonna pretend like he's still a relevant figure, Carl Bernstein? 0.98

00:47:00.000 Okay, so that story's dumb. 0.89

00:47:01.000 The idea that he did anything illegal. 0.58

00:47:02.000 If he did, we have an entire wing of the federal government that is designed to go after people who violate tax law.

00:47:08.000 Okay, the second attack is that he is in hock to the Rooskies.

00:47:12.000 There's no evidence he's in hock to the Rooskies.

00:47:13.000 In fact, it says directly in many of the documents, I think it's page 35 of his disclosures, Federal disclosures.

00:47:19.000 Who he owes money to.

00:47:20.000 That didn't stop Kamala Harris from doing the, who do you owe money to, President Trump. 1.00

00:47:24.000 Here was Kamala Harris. 0.99

00:47:27.000 Who does he owe the money to?

00:47:28.000 Tell us!

00:47:29.000 Who do you owe the money to?

00:47:31.000 Do you owe debt to any foreign nation?

00:47:36.000 Do you owe debt?

00:47:39.000 Do you owe money?

00:47:39.000 Let's just be clear about what debt means.

00:47:41.000 You owe somebody money.

00:47:43.000 Do you owe anybody money who is impacted by any decision you make as President of the United States?

00:47:50.000 We need to know that.

00:47:52.000 Okay, again, there's no evidence that he is being in any way twisted around by foreign adversaries. 0.97

00:47:58.000 Remember, they've been trying this crap since 2016. 0.98

00:48:00.000 And they're not going to stop. 0.98

00:48:03.000 Nancy Pelosi then suggested that Trump's debt is a national security question.

00:48:06.000 What does Putin have on him?

00:48:09.000 They never change the tune.

00:48:10.000 I mean, guys, stick and move a little bit.

00:48:13.000 Nancy Pelosi, the addled Nancy Pelosi, continuing to suggest that this is all about what Putin does.

00:48:18.000 All roads lead to Putin is Nancy Pelosi's routine.

00:48:20.000 It's just, it's absurd.

00:48:21.000 This is absurd.

00:48:22.000 You guys are making mockeries of yourself.

00:48:25.000 This president appears to have over 400 million dollars in debt, 420, whatever it is, million dollars in debt.

00:48:33.000 To whom?

00:48:34.000 Different countries?

00:48:35.000 What is the leverage they have?

00:48:37.000 So for me, this is a national security question.

00:48:41.000 The question is, what does Putin have on the president politically, personally, financially, in every way that the president would try to undermine our commitment to NATO?

00:48:51.000 Okay, this is just, I'm sorry, this is so tiring. 0.98

00:48:54.000 This kind of crap is so tiring. 0.95

00:48:55.000 And then MSNBC has on the greatest of all political analysts, a person who once played a politician on TV. 0.99

00:49:01.000 We're now beyond the point of parody.

00:49:03.000 I mean, do you remember there was a commercial back in the 1970s in which a guy who played a doctor on General Hospital led off the commercial by saying, I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV.

00:49:13.000 Okay, well now you got Jeff Daniels, who was not in fact a newsman, but played one on TV.

00:49:17.000 Now he's talking about his theories about Trump's taxes.

00:49:20.000 Because we need to hear from Jeff Daniels.

00:49:22.000 Okay, here's Jeff Daniels on that great news network, NMSNBC.

00:49:27.000 What are they talking about in Helsinki?

00:49:29.000 What were, you know, all the stuff, I mean, there's all of that.

00:49:32.000 The tax returns that he won't show us.

00:49:34.000 It's so obvious.

00:49:35.000 And where is he getting the money?

00:49:37.000 Where did he get all the money?

00:49:40.000 I mean, all roads, as Speaker Pelosi said, all roads lead to Putin.

00:49:45.000 And, you know, time's running out.

00:49:47.000 This is a bad movie we're living through.

00:49:49.000 That's what this is.

00:49:50.000 If it weren't for life and death, it's a bad movie.

00:49:52.000 He should know bad movies.

00:49:53.000 I mean, honest to God, he really should.

00:49:54.000 But that is very solid stuff right there from Jeff Daniels.

00:49:58.000 Definitely needed to hear from that guy. 0.99

00:50:00.000 From the Dumb and Dumber guy. 0.99

00:50:01.000 I need to hear from him right now. 0.99

00:50:03.000 Get him on the line.

00:50:04.000 Stat!

00:50:04.000 We need to hear from Jeff Daniels right now.

00:50:06.000 Stat!

00:50:07.000 On Trump's taxes.

00:50:09.000 The final angle, of course, is that Trump is poorer than he said he is, and that's really bad.

00:50:12.000 Again, do I think it looks good for Trump to pay $750 in taxes over the last couple years?

00:50:16.000 No, I don't.

00:50:17.000 But would it matter?

00:50:18.000 They went after Mitt Romney and said that Mitt Romney didn't pay his taxes.

00:50:20.000 He paid 14% effective tax rate.

00:50:22.000 Harry Reid just lied about it.

00:50:24.000 Is any of this going to make a serious dent for Trump?

00:50:26.000 Probably not.

00:50:27.000 Is it going to come up tonight?

00:50:28.000 Probably.

00:50:29.000 But again, do I think it's... The media are going agog over this thing, and I'm just like, why?

00:50:33.000 You don't have enough material against Trump.

00:50:35.000 You got to go to this?

00:50:36.000 Seriously?

00:50:37.000 OK, meanwhile, in other news, President Trump has been saying for a while here that he is deeply concerned about voter fraud and about the possibility of voter fraud.

00:50:47.000 Well, now Project Veritas has released some videos alleging widespread voter fraud in Minneapolis.

00:50:52.000 They are blaming Representative Ilhan Omar.

00:50:55.000 They're suggesting that she is to blame for some of this.

00:50:58.000 They apparently got a hold of a person who was involved in Ilhan Omar's get out the vote effort and the suggestion is that they have basically been paying people for their votes.

00:51:08.000 According to TwinCities.com, the Pioneer Press, a report by the nonprofit A report by the nonprofit suggests that the mishandling of absentee ballots in Minneapolis' Somali community is now making news.

00:51:24.000 And it should.

00:51:25.000 Here's a little bit of the video from Project Veritas.

00:51:28.000 Again, this is being now checked into, apparently, by the state authorities in Minnesota, so we will see how much there is to it.

00:51:34.000 Although it's run by Keith Ellison, so I have my suspicions as to what the findings will be.

00:51:38.000 In any case, here is the Project Veritas video.

00:51:42.000 All of these are for Jamal Usman.

00:51:43.000 Look, look.

00:51:43.000 Just today we got 300 ballots for Jamal Usman.

00:51:46.000 A source said they bring them, they line them, they put the open ballots in there, and they take them and say, here, and the people mark.

00:51:51.000 How is that working?

00:51:53.000 All of these are for Jamal Osman.

00:51:57.000 Look, look, just today we got 300 ballots for Jamal Osman.

00:52:02.000 A source said they bring them, they line them, they put the open ballots in there, mark, and they take them and say here, and the people mark.

00:52:08.000 How is that working?

00:52:09.000 They've perfected this system.

00:52:11.000 Miranda Devine, reports for the New York Post.

00:52:12.000 A ballot harvesting racket in Democratic Representative Ilhan Omar's Minneapolis district, where paid workers illegally gather absentee ballots from elderly Somali immigrants, appears to have been busted by Project Veritas.

00:52:22.000 One alleged ballot harvester, Liban Mohamed, the brother of Minneapolis City Council member Jamal Osman, is shown in a bombshell Snapchat video rifling through piles of ballots strewn across his dashboard.

00:52:31.000 Just today, we got 300 for Jamal Osman, says Mohamed.

00:52:35.000 I have 300 ballots in my car right now.

00:52:36.000 Numbers don't lie.

00:52:37.000 You can see my car is full.

00:52:38.000 All these here are absentee ballots.

00:52:40.000 Look, all these are for Jamal Osman, he says, displaying the white envelopes.

00:52:42.000 Money is the king in this world, and a campaign is driven by money.

00:52:46.000 The video was posted July 1st and was obtained by Project Veritas and included in a 17-minute video exposé released on Sunday night.

00:52:52.000 Under Minnesota law, no individual can be the designated agent for more than three absentee voters.

00:52:56.000 So being the designated agent for 300 absentee voters is a problem.

00:52:59.000 The allegations come just five weeks before a presidential election plagued with predictions of voter fraud.

00:53:04.000 Both Trump and Attorney General Bill Barr have warned that the increased use of mail-in ballots due to COVID-19 concerns about in-person voting is vulnerable to fraud.

00:53:13.000 According to James O'Keefe, our investigation into this ballot harvesting ring demonstrates clearly how these unscrupulous operators exploit the elderly and immigrant communities. 0.83

00:53:20.000 The alleged involvement of Omar is claimed on camera by two people in the Veritas investigation, including the whistleblower Omar Jamal, a Minneapolis community leader and chair of the city's Somali watchdog group.

00:53:30.000 He claims Mohammed is one of Omar's many people.

00:53:32.000 He says it's an open secret.

00:53:33.000 She will do anything she can to get elected.

00:53:35.000 She has hundreds of people on the street doing that. 1.00

00:53:37.000 Meanwhile, there's another serious ballot issue in New York.

00:53:41.000 Apparently, ballots have been arriving, receiving mail-in ballots marked Incorrectly.

00:53:46.000 Again, according to the New York Post, voters in New York City have received mail-in ballots for the 2020 presidential election marked for military use despite never having served in the armed forces, causing confusion and concerns over whether the ballots can or should be used.

00:53:58.000 The misprint makes it appear that the ballots received an official military absentee ballot instead of a military slash absentee ballot, leaving several borough residents who received the documents, including two Post journalists, worried the votes might not be properly tallied.

00:54:10.000 So a bunch of people could vote and the votes could be not counted.

00:54:13.000 All of this is mass confusion.

00:54:15.000 It is a serious problem.

00:54:17.000 In fact, as I've said before, there are two real dangers when it comes to the massive mail-in voting that people are pursuing right now.

00:54:24.000 Danger number one is that people fill out the votes wrong.

00:54:28.000 I mean, it's actually a little more complicated to fill in a mail-in ballot than it is to just go to the polling place and do it that way.

00:54:33.000 Problem number two is ballot harvesting.

00:54:35.000 If you have somebody who's going around to only Democratic households or to unaffiliated households and telling them how to vote, That gets really dangerous really quickly.

00:54:44.000 You should have to go out to a polling place and you should have to vote unless you have some sort of medical condition preventing you from doing so.

00:54:49.000 And the prevalence of COVID is not enough of a reason unless you are elderly and specifically vulnerable.

00:54:54.000 If you are a 30-year-old, you should be going to vote in person.

00:54:57.000 There have not been outbreaks at voting places and we have had several open votes since the beginning of the COVID outbreak.

00:55:03.000 To proclaim that voter fraud is a serious problem, And that we should be concerned about in a close election?

00:55:08.000 That's not crazy.

00:55:10.000 That is something that is worthy of viewing.

00:55:13.000 In other sort of voting related news, there's now a There's now a story that is being put out there by Channel 4 in the UK investigating the Trump campaign strategy, and I think it is worthy of note.

00:55:25.000 The Trump campaign strategy in 2016 was designed to deter particular groups from voting.

00:55:29.000 Now, this is not unusual.

00:55:30.000 Every campaign has targeted voters, and then voters that they wish to not see show up at the polls.

00:55:36.000 So for Democrats, they don't wish to see religious Americans show up to the polls in very big numbers. 0.76

00:55:40.000 Because if religious Americans show up in really big numbers, or non-college educated white people show up in really big numbers, that's very bad for the Democrats.

00:55:47.000 For Republicans, you look at various communities, and then you say, okay, which communities are most likely to vote for us, and which communities are least likely to vote for us?

00:55:54.000 The media today are playing up the fact that in 2016, the Trump campaign, using data analytics, saw that certain groups were likely not to vote for them, and certain groups were likely to vote for them, that they were going to try and, quote-unquote, depress the vote.

00:56:06.000 That doesn't mean that they were going to lock people in their homes, or that they're gonna screw with the ballot, or anything like that.

00:56:11.000 It means they're gonna target ads at people, making them not really wanna vote.

00:56:15.000 That's just called politics, okay?

00:56:17.000 And it's not specifically racially based.

00:56:19.000 If Black Americans voted for Republicans at a very high rate, Republicans would be eager to have many of those people vote.

00:56:25.000 Democrats are very eager to have lots of Black Americans vote for a very good reason. 1.00

00:56:28.000 They want a lot of Black Americans to vote for Democrats.

00:56:30.000 Do you think that Democrats are very eager to have lots of white, non-college-educated voters vote?

00:56:34.000 Do you think that they're going door-to-door in very religious Catholic communities and telling them they need to get out to vote today?

00:56:40.000 Probably not.

00:56:41.000 So the media have tried to play this again as the Trump is racist thing as opposed to campaigns target their most likely voters when they try to get them out.

00:56:48.000 And then they try to make it that people who are not going to vote for them stay home.

00:56:52.000 That is not like a giant shock.

00:56:54.000 And the fact that people are treating it as a giant shock is because they don't know the first thing about politics and or because they are being deliberately dishonest.

00:57:01.000 Okay, so we're gonna be back here a little bit later today.

00:57:03.000 We're gonna have two additional hours of content.

00:57:06.000 We have a great radio show coming up for you today.

00:57:07.000 Senator Cruz is gonna be on it.

00:57:09.000 We're gonna have Megyn Kelly on it. 0.99

00:57:09.000 She's launching a new podcast. 0.99

00:57:11.000 A lot coming up.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - September 29, 2020

Are You Ready To Fumble? | Ep. 1104

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