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00:00:24.000I know that Elon hasn't been there before either, and we were walking the grounds together, obviously being given a tour by a tour guide.
00:00:32.000And, you know, for those who have seen images of the Holocaust, which I would assume is pretty much everyone, although my poll number is apparently not, for those who have seen movies about the Holocaust, seeing the actual structures where mass death was brought upon the Jewish people, As well as Roma, homosexuals, Russian soldiers.
00:00:54.000It's an astonishing demonstration of the darkness that is present and possible inside the human soul.
00:01:00.000And just first general impressions of what it's like there.
00:01:04.000And for those who have not visited, it is worth a visit because I think that we tend to live very easy lives, thank God, in the West.
00:01:13.000In the modern era, we tend to, you know, look around us and see people who are generally good, people who generally believe in non-evil things.
00:01:24.000And then you go to a place like Auschwitz and you realize that it actually is not all that unthinkable for the unthinkable to happen.
00:01:31.000So first we visited Auschwitz, which is a much smaller area.
00:01:35.000of the actual death camps than the death camp footprint actually is. The death camp footprint
00:01:40.000includes the Auschwitz complex, includes some 40 different camps around work camps, death camps.
00:01:45.000The Auschwitz complex, the center of it, where you see that famous fence, the Arbeit macht frei,
00:01:49.000the work will make free, which of course was a lie, the freedom was murder. You see that when
00:01:55.000you walk in and then you walk into various buildings, brick structures that had originally
00:02:02.000been built as actual barracks and that were then turned into these hell holes where they
00:02:06.000would hold a thousand people in a space that was maybe meant to hold a hundred.
00:02:14.000Where the death rate in the early days, before they were turned into full-scale death camps, was already 25%.
00:02:19.000You walk into the areas where prisoners were executed.
00:02:24.000You see the basement structures where Zyklon B was first tried against Russian POWs.
00:02:31.000Before it was then turned into a tool of mass extermination against predominantly the Jews.
00:02:37.000960,000 Jews killed at Auschwitz-Birkenau during World War II.
00:02:41.000You're walking all this, and it is the lowest of what humanity has to offer, obviously.
00:02:45.000Then you go over to Birkenau, which is even more astonishing, because Birkenau is the actual camp complex that was meant to hold tens of thousands of human beings, and it expands for what must be hundreds of acres.
00:02:56.000It's an extraordinarily large complex.
00:02:59.000They've preserved many of the structures.
00:03:01.000Most of the death camps were blown up by the Nazis, destroyed by the Nazis, and plowed under by the Nazis in an attempt to hide up what they had done.
00:03:07.000Auschwitz-Birkenau obviously survived when it was liberated.
00:03:11.000And so these structures are now 80 years old and they are basically brick hovels in which
00:03:18.000you see bunks stacked one on top of another that are incredibly small.
00:03:24.000We're originally designed by the evil architects of the Holocaust to hold three people at a time, and then were eventually expanded to hold six, seven people at a time.
00:03:35.000I had the privilege when I was younger of helping to write the memoirs of a Holocaust survivor who'd actually gone through Auschwitz-Birkenau.
00:03:41.000And the stories obviously are horrifying.
00:03:42.000Now you walk it and it's empty, obviously.
00:03:45.000And you can feel the darkness of the place.
00:03:50.000Pretty clearly and I think that, you know, I think that Elon obviously saw it as well because I don't think that you can walk through that place and not see the darkness inherent there.
00:03:59.000And I think that there are a bunch of important things to be gained from doing something like walking Auschwitz-Birkenau.
00:04:05.000I think the first is to realize that People can be made to believe nearly anything, and this holds true on the side of both the evil people and the people who are victimized by those who are evil.
00:04:19.000One of the things that you see when you walk through Auschwitz itself, the actual complex, is you see a room that's just filled with suitcases, and every person who brought a suitcase Two Auschwitz thought they were going to end up unpacking that suitcase.
00:04:30.000Step by step by step, European Jewry thought that whatever was next couldn't be this all the way until the final step into the gas chambers.
00:04:39.000And so when we criticize people for not having fought back, at what point were they supposed to believe that the unthinkable was now thinkable?
00:04:46.000Because the unthinkable is unthinkable until precisely the moment that it becomes real.
00:04:50.000It's a cautionary note to people who don't take the world seriously, don't take politics seriously, that we all ought to be, at a certain level, attempting to read tea leaves.
00:05:00.000Now, you can read too deeply, you can be too catastrophic about politics, and I think it's very easy to fall into that when you doomscroll.
00:05:07.000on various social media services. But it is also important to recognize that as we're flying to
00:05:11.000Poland, I was reading the memoirs of Viktor Klemper, who's a German Jew who lived in Dresden,
00:05:16.000actually. And he kept these memoirs all the way through World War II. He ended up living past
00:05:21.000World War II and into the Soviet domination of Eastern Europe. And every step of the way
00:05:27.000in his memoirs, he seems to think, well, maybe things are going to be okay.
00:05:32.000Maybe, maybe this will reverse itself.
00:05:33.000And even when he becomes despairing, he never thinks that it's going to turn to this.
00:05:36.000And there is very little limit to the evil that can be created in the human heart.
00:05:42.000That evil can only be masked by ideology.
00:05:50.000To truly understand what happened in Auschwitz-Birkenau, you have to understand German history and European history.
00:05:54.000You have to understand European antisemitism.
00:05:56.000And the first and most fundamental thing to understand about antisemitism in the modern era, which again, if you're at Auschwitz-Birkenau, that's what you have to talk about, The first and most fundamental thing to understand about anti-semitism is that at root, it is a conspiracy theory about power.
00:06:09.000When you read the writings of Hitler, when you read writings that precede Hitler by 50, 60, 70 years, anti-semitic writings, when you read these writings, what you see is that there's a conspiracy theory about Jews.
00:06:18.000This conspiracy theory is that the powerful in every industry are Jewish, that they are part of an evil conspiracy, and that the only reason that they have gained power is through some sort of perverse machination.
00:06:29.000And that therefore, they must be extirpated.
00:06:32.000Now, there's a recognition that it can't be religious Jewry because it turns out that the people at the head of many industries in pre-war Europe are not religious Jews.
00:06:40.000They're Jewish by ethnicity, but they're not practicing.
00:06:42.000Many of them were converts to Protestantism or even Catholicism.
00:06:46.000But because Jews were disproportionately represented at the top of so many major industries, particularly in major cities around Europe, they represent a heavy percentage of places like Berlin, like Warsaw.
00:06:57.000Because of that, there was a theory of power, and the theory of power suggested they were the exploiters, that they had rigged the system on their own behalf, and that therefore they had to be destroyed.
00:07:07.000And that ideology, a self-justifying ideology, whereby the people you're about to kill are actually the true victimizers, which is why, of course, they have to be killed.
00:07:15.000And that particular ideology is so seductive and it's so easy to replicate.
00:07:21.000It doesn't mean the Holocaust is going to be replicated tomorrow.
00:07:23.000I don't think anybody thinks that the Holocaust is going to be replicated tomorrow, God forbid.
00:07:28.000But the ideology that breeds The victimization of Jews among other subgroups, that ideology is very much alive well and with us.
00:07:39.000And I think one of the things that we tend to see when we see places like Auschwitz-Birkenau is the extent of the horror is so unthinkable and so unimaginable that it means that we tend to cut it off from the rest of sort of human relations.
00:07:50.000We tend to think, okay, this is an outlier.
00:07:52.000It's just this crazy statistical outlier.
00:07:55.000When in reality, it is just the culmination of a continuum of theory that has been present on Earth for literally thousands of years, going all the way back to the Book of Exodus.
00:08:04.000The same things that Pharaoh is saying about the Jews, that they're rising in numbers and power, that they're a threat to us.
00:08:09.000That same stuff is being repeated by Hitler in 1935.
00:08:13.000And it's being repeated by some people today.
00:08:15.000Ideology absolutely matters, and to understand what happened in Auschwitz-Birkenau, you have to understand the ideology, to understand the threats to the West, you have to understand ideologies that are pernicious, wrong, and yes, evil.
00:08:26.000So, Elon and I visit Auschwitz, we visit Birkenau, and then we end up going over to the local Doubletree Hotel, which is where the EJA actual event is taking place, and I had the privilege of interviewing Elon on stage.
00:08:40.000Now, first of all, I should tell you, I think that Elon is an incredibly good-hearted person.
00:08:46.000Having met him, this is the first time I've met him in person, but we've spoken before, obviously.
00:08:50.000Having dealt with him, Elon is, by nature, a problem-solving engineer.
00:08:58.000So he sees things through a very analytic frame.
00:09:00.000And that analytic frame means that he's both a risk taker and also somebody who I think is pretty clear-eyed about when a problem is a problem and how to solve that problem.
00:09:12.000That leads him to a shocking level of moral clarity.
00:09:16.000Truly, I think that Elon's understanding of morality is instinctively quite good.
00:09:27.000Which is obviously very different than what the media is telling you.
00:09:29.000What the media are telling you about Elon, the legacy media, they have a stake in degrading Elon as a human being, largely because Elon threatens their frame.
00:09:38.000Elon is obviously both a product and a creator of the free market.
00:09:44.000Elon is rich, which, according to many of the media, makes him inherently bad.
00:09:48.000Elon is somebody who's a free speech advocate, which, according to the media, again, makes him bad because he doesn't gatekeep the way they would like for him to gatekeep, or the way that they gatekeep.
00:09:57.000And so they've been targeting him on a wide variety of issues, nearly all of which I think are fully specious.
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00:11:16.000Back to this visit, we sat down together and we had a wide-ranging conversation about various topics, including some of the ideologies that lead to evil action.
00:11:25.000One of the things that we discussed at fair length was diversity, equity, and inclusion.
00:11:29.000And DEI, which of course sounds very happy face, DEI is the basic thesis that, again, the world is driven by power dynamics, that virtually every system is a power dynamic system.
00:11:41.000That free speech is actually just a stand-in for power.
00:11:44.000That free markets are a stand-in for power.
00:11:46.000That those who are successful in these systems are actually perpetuators of the system for their own exploitative power.
00:11:54.000By the way, that theory, not diversity, equity, and inclusion, but the idea that power lies behind all systems, exists on the right as well.
00:12:01.000It materializes in racial ways on the left.
00:12:03.000It materializes in sort of bizarre populist class ways on the right.
00:12:07.000The idea that, for example, capitalism is a tool of the globalist rich, right?
00:12:10.000That sort of nonsense exists on all sides of the political aisle.
00:12:15.000But DEI, which is the most threatening version of this form, particularly on the political left, it helps explain why, for example, you see a giant coalition of people who are pro-Hamas.
00:12:25.000And one of the things that I asked Elon about was the fact that In the aftermath of October 7th, and Elon of course visited Israel after October 7th, he visited the areas in which mass slaughter of Jews, left-wing Jews by the way, took place in Israel by Hamas.
00:12:39.000He still wears the necklace in honor of the people who were kidnapped by Hamas and who are still being held in captivity.
00:12:46.000And you see people in the West marching on behalf of members of Hamas.
00:12:52.000And so I asked him about that because obviously the only rationale for queers for Palestine, for example, LGBT people who are suggesting that they have solidarity with people who would literally murder them, first chance they got in the Gaza Strip, is this DEI theory that there's a system of power that must be torn to the ground.
00:13:09.000And that crosses streams very strongly with anti-Semitism.
00:13:12.000Because after all, if you're making the case that there is a group of people with disproportionate power along racial lines, ethnic lines, religious lines, and that they are therefore the oppressors and the exploiters, that crosses streams very quickly with anti-Semitism, which is why, by the way, a Harvard-Harris poll that we discussed last year found that 67% of those aged between 18 and 24 called Jews an oppressor class.
00:13:34.000And ideology matters, folks, and it has deadly consequences.
00:13:37.000We'll get to the actual discussion with Elon in just one second.
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00:16:14.000Now, obviously, I think Elon's take on DEI is exactly right.
00:16:17.000And it is dangerous, because again, any theory that suggests that principle is really just a mask for guises of power, and that there is a coterie of elite people who are standing behind that system, when you're talking about a free market system, when you're talking about a free system, for example, or a free speech system, when you make that suggestion, what you're really suggesting is that anyone who is successful is a victimizer.
00:16:38.000And as a victimizer, they therefore ought to pay some sort of price.
00:16:42.000This is why you see All these streams crossing in the DEI left.
00:16:45.000This is why you see Black Lives Matter protesting for quote-unquote Palestine.
00:16:49.000This is why you see people who are socialists who are protesting on behalf of some of the least socially responsible people on planet Earth.
00:16:57.000Now, Elon talked in those terms more broadly with regard to, for example, this sort of reversal of morality when it comes to weakness versus strength.
00:17:06.000One of the things that we've been seeing in the modern world is this attempt to read strength as evil and weakness as virtue.
00:17:13.000That is a despicable morality because it's not moral at all.
00:17:19.000The Bible specifically says that if you're a judge, you are not allowed to favor either the poor or the rich.
00:17:23.000Why does the Bible suggest that you're not allowed to favor the poor?
00:17:26.000When the suggestion by the left is that you'll never favor the poor after all they're poor and powerless.
00:17:30.000The answer is because virtue and wealth are not necessarily connected.
00:17:36.000I know very virtuous people who are poor.
00:17:37.000I know very virtuous people who are rich.
00:17:39.000And I know many people who are not virtuous who are both poor and rich as well.
00:17:44.000And that makes a difference when it comes to world politics and it makes a difference when it comes to the sorts of things that you stand... If you believe that the weak are inherently virtuous, then what that means is that the system itself has made them weak and the system must be torn down and the people who purport to uphold the system must be destroyed.
00:17:59.000That's how all of this connects to visiting places like Auschwitz-Birkenau.
00:18:01.000That conspiracy theory is very much alive and well.
00:18:04.000Here is Elon talking about weakness versus strength and morality.
00:18:08.000Well, I think we really need to stop this principle that the weaker Normally, weaker party is always right.
00:19:00.000I mean, I'm a big believer in moral absolutism, not moral relativism.
00:19:04.000There's good and bad in the absolute, and you judge any group or individual against Absolute moral standards, not whether they're the so-called oppressed or oppressor, just on absolute moral terms.
00:19:29.000In just a second, I'm gonna get to Elon's perspective when it comes to free speech and acts, which of course has been used as a rationale by the media to attack Elon, among others.
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00:20:46.000So then Elon and I discussed freedom of speech.
00:20:48.000So one of the critiques of Elon and X is that when Elon bought X, he opened it up.
00:20:55.000He broadened the so-called Overton window, the window of acceptable speech, and Elon The broadest possible speech that he believes is legal, right?
00:21:07.000Which makes sense because Twitter was originally founded to be a sort of town square and then it became instead the preserve of a select group of self-appointed moral police officers who would not allow you to say true things.
00:21:19.000And so I asked him, one of the critiques of that has been, well, aren't you going to allow more bad speech as well as good speech on X?
00:21:25.000And that includes, theoretically, more anti-Semitic commentary.
00:21:29.000On X. And so I asked Elon about this, and here's what he had to say.
00:21:33.000How do you balance the necessity for free speech with all these critiques about, you know, what is hate speech?
00:21:43.000Well, the general bias of the platform is in favor of free speech.
00:21:48.000And I think at the end of the day, free speech wins in that if somebody says something that's false, Especially on our platform, you can then reply to it with a correction.
00:22:02.000And then, I'm a huge fan of community notes.
00:22:05.000We've put maximum resources and attention behind community notes.
00:22:10.000So if somebody tries to push a falsehood, like Holocaust denial or something like that, they can immediately be corrected.
00:22:17.000Again, it's Elon's perspective on free speech that has made him a persona non grata in many of the halls of power with regard to, for example, government and legacy media.
00:22:27.000If you look back for three even years at Elon's public profile, Elon's public profile was very much beloved in the media.
00:22:52.000And then he founded, on the back of that, he invested his money into SpaceX and Tesla.
00:22:58.000A rocket company with the goal of creating human colonization on Mars in order to broaden the scope of human survival and to make provision for the possibility of something bad happening on this planet, which is just an amazingly audacious concept, obviously.
00:23:13.000And he actually has materialized that in the form of a profitable company that now carries 90% of global payload into space, which is just amazing and insane.
00:23:41.000He works with somebody to start Tesla, and then he ends up taking it over and turning it into the most profitable car company in the history of man, actually, because it is largely based on the tech, not just based on the sales of the car, right?
00:23:53.000The AI that's being generated in order to do things like self-driving is just insane.
00:23:56.000It makes life better and easier for tons and tons of people.
00:24:00.000He's this entrepreneurial figure who had come out of Basically, nowhere.
00:24:05.000And then he buys X. And by buying X, he threatens the structures.
00:24:09.000He threatens the people who were the gatekeepers.
00:24:12.000In a second, I'm going to bring you Elon's answers to questions about what was going on with the legacy media, why they've reversed course on him, and why he's now the villain in their little morality play.
00:25:29.000Hey, so I asked Elon yesterday, Legacy Media has spent an awful lot of ink on you.
00:25:41.000There's been a lot of attempts to paint you as anti-semitic or paint X as anti-semitic.
00:25:47.000Where do you think that's coming from?
00:25:49.000Why does the Legacy Media seem to have you, particularly in the last year and a half, in the crosshairs so much?
00:25:56.000Well, I mean, the reality is that X is competition for the Legacy Media.
00:26:05.000X is where people go to get the most current news and learn about the world.
00:26:09.000So the legacy media is our direct competitors.
00:26:14.000So they're really going to find every angle to try to cancel X. I mean, if you want to know why things are happening, look at the incentives.
00:26:25.000And legacy media has had a tough time with respect to usage.
00:26:31.000The numbers I saw was that The sort of traditional print cable television viewership went down something like 20-30% last year.
00:26:41.000On the other hand, X went up roughly the same, roughly 20-30%.
00:26:46.000So it's a direct competition for people's attention.
00:26:50.000Now flow of information matters and one thing that Elon I think is very clear on and was focused in I know specifically yesterday when we visited Auschwitz was how free flow of information when cut off actually leads to the Multiplication of evil.
00:27:07.000That when you actually cut off the sources of information, you can make room for misinformation that both misleads the public, as far as the bad things that are happening in the world, and also allows truly powerful people to manipulate the narrative.
00:29:33.000And then doing that with Elon Musk, again, in a modern era, looking at a world that sometimes can seem unbelievably dark.
00:29:43.000I think it was an inspirational thing for Elon to go to Auschwitz.
00:29:47.000I think that the conversation that we had was important.
00:29:50.000I think, again, that When we talk about the true dangers to the world, particularly in the West right now, the ideological dangers to the West are greater than they have been at any time in my lifetime.
00:30:09.000It's an unbelievable Tolerant, open place where people have the freedom to succeed, where meritocracy is the rule of the day.
00:30:19.000And as that is quashed, and as people oppose that, as people try to craft weird and bizarre left and right conspiracy theories about the inability of people to get ahead, to blame the people who are successful in the free market, not by manipulating the levers of government.
00:30:36.000Successful in the free market, to blame the free market itself, to blame the meritocracy, to suggest that there are exploitative groups that are a threat to the population.
00:30:45.000That's something that I haven't experienced in my lifetime.
00:30:47.000And so coming here, being reminded of the wages of evil ideologies, and coming here, again, with Elon, I think, good for Elon.
00:30:55.000And it was an honor to be asked to come and do this event.
00:31:00.000Okay, in just one second, I'm gonna get to the New Hampshire primaries.
00:31:03.000Those, of course, are happening today.
00:31:06.000I think the end of this road is a foregone conclusion.
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00:32:22.000Meanwhile, today marks the New Hampshire primary and this is basically Nikki Haley's last shot.
00:32:27.000If Nikki Haley finishes second to Donald Trump in New Hampshire, then the race is over for her because they're going to head down to South Carolina and she's probably going to lose her home state to Trump.
00:32:36.000By all available polling data, Trump is well ahead of her in South Carolina.
00:32:41.000But he also happens to be ahead of her in New Hampshire.
00:32:45.000There are some polls, usually badly rated polls, that have Nikki Haley competitive in New Hampshire.
00:32:52.000The latest polls that I've seen, the ones that RealClearPolitics takes seriously enough to put in their average, all those have Trump up pretty well ahead of Nikki Haley.
00:33:00.000The latest Trafalgar poll has Trump up 58-36 over Nikki Haley.
00:33:04.000The Boston Globe-Suffolk poll has him up 57-38 over Nikki Haley.
00:33:07.000Insider Advantage has him at 62-35 over Nikki Haley.
00:33:11.000And again, Let's just be clear about this.
00:33:49.000They want to see Trump beat Joe Biden.
00:33:50.000They're looking at the polling data and what they are currently seeing is that Donald Trump is actually leading Joe Biden in a statistically significant way.
00:33:57.000The latest Harvard-Harris poll has Donald Trump up 53-47 over Joe Biden, which is mostly fascinating because it means that Trump is actually breaking 50% in more than one poll at this point.
00:34:08.000And by the way, in their general sort of Republican primary polls, and those ones are the ones that are being released after DeSantis dropped out of the race.
00:34:16.000Those polls had Trump up in the Republican national primary by 60 plus points over DeSantis in second and Haley in third.
00:34:24.000The national polling numbers for Trump continue to be durable.
00:34:27.000That is the reason why Trump is the nominee.
00:34:28.000If Donald Trump were trailing Joe Biden by 10 points in all the polls, and if Ron DeSantis were beating Joe Biden by 3 points in all the polls, I think this race looks totally different.
00:34:36.000But basically, since March, the Republican base has been brought into line on Trump because of the unjust cases that are being brought against him in a wide variety of jurisdictions.
00:34:45.000It feels like legal espionage against the Trump campaign.
00:34:50.000And the way that they are fighting back against that is by saying, let's give him the nomination.
00:34:54.000I get that, and you can see that in the polling data.
00:34:56.000Beyond that, the fact that Trump has been durable against Biden takes away the chief baton that fellow Republicans could use against him.
00:35:03.000For a brief moment in time, November 2022, it seemed as though the Republican Party was finally declaring that Donald Trump was likely to make them lose, that he had lost in 2020, he had lost in 2021 in Georgia Senate races, 2022 went really poorly, and so 2024, why do this thing again?
00:35:19.000And then, as Joe Biden began to sink slowly into the mire, It became clear to Republicans that actually Trump could win.
00:35:27.000And if Trump can win, there's no reason to nominate somebody else.
00:35:29.000Not only that, a wide swath of Republicans believe that, for good reasons and ill, that the 2020 election Was not, was not correctly decided that in fact Trump won or should have won or that the rules were changed in order to make Joe Biden win, which actually is somewhat true.
00:35:47.000Some people believe what I think is not true proposition that it was just pure electoral fraud.
00:35:50.000Whatever it is, Republicans are basically treating Donald Trump as an incumbent in this race.
00:35:54.000And because he's an incumbent in this race, he's getting incumbent type numbers in this race.
00:35:59.000Well, that was made clear by the fact that Ron DeSantis dropped out of the race over the weekend.
00:36:12.000Now, he's getting a lot of flack, which we'll get to in a second, for his campaign in the first place.
00:36:17.000I think a lot of that flack is entirely misguided.
00:36:20.000Meaning that the theory of the campaign, which is that Republicans had basically gotten tired of all the antics from Trump and were ready to move to the next thing, that wasn't false in January, February.
00:36:30.000It became false as Democrats targeted Trump for destruction and Republicans rallied around Trump.
00:36:36.000And so the fact that he ran against Trump, I don't think that there's anything wrong with running against Donald Trump in the primaries.
00:36:42.000And all the kind of Trump fans were angry at other people for running against Trump.
00:36:53.000But the fact that DeSantis would have made, I think, a better president, a more effective president, than Trump was in his first term or would be in his second term... Again, you can reject that.
00:37:21.000In any case, here was DeSantis dropping out.
00:37:23.000In doing so, he endorsed Donald Trump for the presidency over Nikki Haley, who has sort of become the— because she's the only non-Trump candidate left in the race, she has become sort of the quote-unquote candidate of the establishment, which, again, is a little strange only in the sense that Nikki Haley was Donald Trump's U.N.
00:37:51.000So much of Republican politics, by the way, is affect.
00:37:54.000Nikki Haley is actually to Donald Trump's right when it comes to economic matters, right?
00:37:57.000She tends to be a little bit more free trade.
00:37:59.000She tends to be more interested in reforming entitlements, for example.
00:38:04.000She's to his left, maybe on social issues, although unclear, because Donald Trump himself has not made himself clear on social issues when it comes to, say, abortion or same-sex marriage.
00:38:31.000Now following our second place finish in Iowa, we've prayed and deliberated on the way forward.
00:38:36.000If there was anything I could do to produce a favorable outcome, more campaign stops, more interviews, I would do it.
00:38:43.000But I can't ask our supporters to volunteer their time and donate their resources if we don't have a clear path to victory.
00:38:50.000Accordingly, I am today suspending my campaign.
00:38:54.000I'm proud to have delivered on 100% of my promises, and I will not stop now.
00:38:59.000It's clear to me that a majority of Republican primary voters want to give Donald Trump another chance.
00:39:04.000They watch his presidency get stymied by relentless resistance, and they see Democrats using lawfare this day to attack him.
00:39:11.000While I've had disagreements with Donald Trump, such as on the coronavirus pandemic and his elevation of Anthony Fauci, Trump is superior to the current incumbent, Joe Biden.
00:39:23.000I signed a pledge to support the Republican nominee and I will honor that pledge.
00:39:28.000This is my endorsement because we can't go back to the old Republican guard of yesteryear.
00:39:33.000Now, again, the sort of old Republican guard talk is something, I don't know who this old Republican guard is per se, like some names would be useful whenever people talk about the old Republican guard versus the new Republican guard.
00:39:45.000I'm just, I mean, Donald Trump was the president, so he is the current Republican guard.
00:39:59.000Before we begin, I'd like to take time to congratulate Ron DeSantis and, of course, a really terrific person who I've gotten to know, his wife, Casey, for having run a great campaign for president.
00:40:07.000Before we begin, I'd like to take time to congratulate Ron DeSantis and, of course,
00:40:15.000a really terrific person who I've gotten to know, his wife Casey, for having run a great
00:40:31.000But as you know, he left the campaign trail today at 3 p.m., and in so doing, he was very gracious and he endorsed me, so I appreciate it.
00:40:40.000Again, it is amazing how Trump, again, what Trump thinks in the moment is what Trump thinks in the moment, but he switches from Casey DeSantis is terrible and Ron DeSantis is terrible, everybody's terrible, Ron DeSanctimonious and all that too.
00:40:51.000He ran a great campaign and like this fast, but that's what Trump has to do.
00:40:54.000So Trump does need to consolidate the party behind him.
00:40:57.000I think the party is consolidating behind him.
00:40:58.000I think that's what's likely to happen in the New Hampshire primary today.
00:41:02.000Again, the polling shows that he is well out ahead.
00:41:05.000And if he were not to be the nominee, that would be an act of God, frankly, at this point.
00:41:09.000There would have to be an act of God for him not to be the nominee.
00:41:12.000So the Republican Party is going to consolidate, as they should, behind Donald Trump to be the person against Joe Biden.
00:41:16.000We're going to run this thing back and we're going to do it all over again.
00:41:20.000Now, there's one thing that's worth noting here in the media coverage of DeSantis dropping out.
00:41:23.000There's a lot of scornful media coverage that's being dropped on DeSantis today.
00:41:27.000For example, Ayman Maheldin, just a terrible commentator, over on MSNBC, but I repeat myself because again MSNBC is
00:41:34.000It's like a giant bread basket filled with terrible commentators.
00:41:37.000Here's Ayman Maheldin ripping on Ron DeSantis and his campaign.
00:41:40.000Florida governor Ron DeSantis, the man once heralded as the future of the Republican Party,
00:41:46.000the so-called heir apparent to the MAGA movement, bowing out of the race for president.
00:41:53.000He suspended his campaign a short time ago, bringing an end to one of the most embarrassing and disastrous GOP primary showings in modern American political history.
00:42:04.000The move comes just two days I mean, they couldn't be happier.
00:42:17.000So on the one hand, I think this is a cautionary note for Republicans.
00:42:30.000What you wish for very often ends up being the curse against you.
00:42:34.000The amount of scorn they're pouring on DeSantis is demonstrative of the fact that they actually don't believe all the crap that they say about Trump.
00:42:40.000When they say that Trump is the most threatening political figure in American history, when they say that he's a Hitlerian, Mussolini-esque figure, when they say this sort of stuff, they don't believe that thing.
00:42:49.000If they believed that thing, then presumably, they would have been a lot more supportive of the chief rivals to Donald Trump.
00:42:57.000They're more than happy to watch those people go down in flames for fun, profit, and political motivation.
00:43:03.000Because to them, all Republicans are the same.
00:43:05.000And this is the thing that's so funny about Trump.
00:43:08.000With all of the talk about how Donald Trump is out of the box and crazy and does wild stuff, and he does.
00:43:12.000He does wild, crazy stuff, particularly on Twitter.
00:43:15.000When he does those things, he is treated in the polling like generic R. He is treated like generic Republican, which is why his polling is non-differentiatable from DeSantis.
00:43:26.000In terms of, like, against Joe Biden, he runs kind of the same as DeSantis.
00:43:32.000Because I think the American public isn't as familiar with Haley.
00:43:34.000And again, she has that softer affect than Trump or DeSantis.
00:43:37.000But if you look at Donald Trump's poll numbers in, for example, 2016, when he ran against Hillary, they look almost exactly the same as Mitt Romney's poll numbers in 2012.
00:43:46.000When you look at his poll numbers in 2020, he performs like generic Republican, maybe a little better in the rural areas.
00:43:52.000And that is because the left treats him as generic Republican.
00:43:54.000Or, to put it another way, whoever the Republican nominee was, he was going to be treated, or she, as the ultimate form of the destroyer, as the evil destroyer, because that's every election cycle with regards to the legacy media and with the Democrats.
00:44:07.000Okay, so, speaking of the strategy that is going to be rolled out here, By the Democrats.
00:44:14.000One of the things they're going to try to do is jujitsu a lot of critiques of Joe Biden into critiques of Donald Trump.
00:44:19.000So the number one obvious critique of there really two critiques of Joe Biden.
00:44:22.000One is that he's barely alive and the other is that he's a bad president.
00:44:26.000It's very hard to argue with he's a bad president because he really is a very bad president.
00:44:59.000As an American, I would like for our president to at least be able to speak full sentences without running the risk of having a full-on physical collapse.
00:45:54.000By the way, they never report the crowd on January 6th.
00:45:57.000You know, Nikki Haley... Nikki Haley... Nikki Haley... You know they... Do you know they destroyed all of the information, all of the evidence, everything?
00:46:26.000I mean, again, like, you want to say that Donald Trump is in a state of decline, you'd have to show me a market difference between Donald Trump 2016 and Donald Trump 2024.
00:46:33.000I don't actually see a giant market difference.
00:46:36.000If I played you back-to-back tape of Trump 2016 and Trump 2024, they look very similar.
00:46:41.000If I played you back-to-back tape of Joe Biden 2016 and Joe Biden 2024, they are radically different.
00:46:46.000As much as I am not a Joe Biden fan, Joe Biden at least used to be a person who was fluent with human verbiage.
00:46:53.000He did not look as frail and as tenuous as he does right now.
00:47:31.000We saw at one point he talked about how Biden was going to get us into World War II.
00:47:36.000So there has been You know, there have been moments and there have been several moments on the campaign trail where he has seemed quite frankly out of it.
00:47:46.000Again, this attempt now to reverse polarity with regard to who's CNN and who's not, I don't think that's going to play, but this is what they have to do.
00:47:53.000They're going to have to attack Trump on that and presumably they're going to attack him on the criminal front.
00:47:57.000Now, again, I think that's baked into the cake.
00:47:58.000So CNN's Manu Raju He spends his day very often tracking down Republicans to comment on other Republicans.
00:48:05.000It's a game that doesn't seem to be replicated with Democrats very often.
00:48:07.000So when Ilhan Omar says something deeply anti-Semitic, you don't see Manu Raju or members of the media tracking down every Democrat senator and asking for their opinion.
00:48:17.000When Joe Biden does something truly awe-inspiringly stupid, you don't see a rush to Capitol Hill to get comment from every Democratic senator.
00:48:28.000Manaraju decided to go ask a bunch of Republican senators if they would still vote for Trump if he were convicted criminally.
00:48:35.000And there are sort of various answers to this.
00:48:37.000The most obvious answer is, well, yes, he's the Republican nominee against Joe Biden.
00:48:43.000A criminal conviction would not change the underlying opinion as to what he did or did not do.
00:48:49.000I can think all the things I think about Donald Trump and his shortcomings in terms of character and still recognize, for example, that the Fannie Willis case is crap, that it doesn't make any sense, that the Jack Smith January 6th case is a legal stretch beyond nearly all imagination.
00:49:03.000But in any case, this is, you know, this is the campaign.
00:49:06.000The campaign is going to be for the Democrats about how Trump is really kind of losing it and also is a criminal.
00:49:47.000Okay, now all of those are the right answer, but Democrats seem to believe that if they can grab a criminal conviction, I mean, that's going to be their deus ex machina, is if there is a hand of God coming down into the story, it's going to be Trump being criminally convicted.
00:49:59.000First of all, I'm not sure the timeline allows for that.
00:50:02.000It's not clear that any of these cases are going to come to a conclusion before the actual election takes place.
00:50:09.000The only real possibility is the Jack Smith case.
00:50:12.000Jack Smith is trying to accelerate that.
00:50:13.000Trump is trying to slow that down post the election.
00:50:15.000It looks like those Georgia charges are going to last too long for them to materialize before the election.
00:50:21.000It looks like the Florida case is going to be delayed beyond the election.
00:50:23.000So really the only shot they have is that Jack Smith case.
00:50:25.000And that one is really legally tenuous.
00:50:28.000Not only is it legally tenuous, it does raise the January 6th questions all over again, which I think is what Democrats want.
00:50:33.000They'd love to discuss January 6th endlessly.
00:50:36.000But, I mean, let's be real about this.
00:50:38.000There are still some unanswered questions about January 6th.
00:50:41.000So, for example, there is now tape outside the DNC that is at least somewhat strange.
00:50:54.000One of the big things that happened on January 6th, apparently, is that there were a couple of pipe bombs that were put outside the DNC and the RNC.
00:51:01.000And we haven't heard a lot about that since January 6th.
00:51:04.000Not quite as spectacular on video as those giant scenes of riots outside the Capitol building or people breaking windows or whatever.
00:51:11.000Like, pipe bombs are meant to kill people.
00:51:14.000And the story on the pipe bombs seems to be getting weirder and weirder.
00:51:18.000Representative Thomas Massey of Kentucky, he's accusing the government of a cover-up He says, if there were indeed two operable pipe bombs, that would be the biggest threat that existed on January 6th.
00:51:28.000Why they wouldn't be promoting that threat to advance the narrative, unless they had something to do with the pipe bombs and they're trying to memory hole the whole thing to avoid embarrassment.
00:51:35.000So apparently there's video that's been identified by Massey, showing officers reacting nonchalantly after being notified of the pipe bomb, milling slowly around the area, even letting kids walk in the area.
00:51:45.000Vice President Kamala Harris was in the building at the time.
00:51:49.000The DOJ didn't really let that be known at the time.
00:51:54.000Massey says, you'd think they'd be focused on these pipe bombs, but they are not.