The Ben Shapiro Show - AUDACIOUS: It’s JD VANCE for VP!

00:00:00.000 Well, folks, we have a vice presidential nominee from Donald J. Trump.

00:00:04.000 Yesterday afternoon, he announced his selection of his vice presidential nominee.

00:00:08.000 It is Senator J.D.

00:00:09.000 Vance from Ohio.

00:00:10.000 It's an audacious, a confident pick from the former president of the United States.

00:00:15.000 And he's making that pick because he believes he's winning.

00:00:17.000 It is that simple.

00:00:18.000 This is not a strategic pick.

00:00:20.000 This is not the sort of pick that is designed to say, win you Virginia, which is what Glenn

00:00:24.000 Youngkin from Virginia likely would have done.

00:00:26.000 It's not a pick that's designed to do outreach to Hispanics, as maybe a pick of Marco Rubio

00:00:30.000 would have done.

00:00:31.000 It is a pick that is both designed to shore up the blue wall in favor of red in Michigan,

00:00:38.000 Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and more importantly, I think for Donald Trump, it's designed to

00:00:43.000 enshrine his policy legacy as a shift away from traditional conservatism.

00:00:48.000 And we'll get to that in a moment with J.D.

00:00:49.000 Vance.

00:00:50.000 Trump's statement, the one that he put out on Truth Social, says, quote, after lengthy deliberation and thought and considering the tremendous talent of many others, I've decided that the person best suited to assume the position of Vice President of the United States is Senator J.D.

00:01:01.000 Vance of the great state of Ohio.

00:01:02.000 J.D.

00:01:03.000 honorably served our country in the Marine Corps, graduated from Ohio State University in two years summa cum laude, and is a Yale Law School graduate, where he was editor of the Yale Law School and president of the Yale Law Veterans Association.

00:01:13.000 J.D.' 's book, Hillbilly Elegy, became a major bestseller and movie as it championed the hardworking men and women of our country.

00:01:18.000 J.D.

00:01:18.000 has had a very successful business career in technology and finance, and now, during the campaign, will be strongly focused on the people he fought so brilliantly for, the American workers and farmers.

00:01:26.000 In Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Minnesota, and far beyond.

00:01:29.000 Again, that last sentence is the one that matters the most there.

00:01:32.000 He's name-checking Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, right?

00:01:35.000 Those are the three states that Trump is hoping to win with his pick of J.D.

00:01:39.000 Vance.

00:01:39.000 Now, the truth is, he actually doesn't need J.D.

00:01:41.000 Vance to win those states.

00:01:42.000 In fact, in Ohio, the last time Donald Trump ran, which was 2020, which is when J.D.

00:01:48.000 Vance actually was running.

00:01:50.000 J.D.

00:01:50.000 Vance has only been in the Senate for about five minutes.

00:01:53.000 Donald Trump has outrun J.D.

00:01:54.000 Vance in the state of Ohio by a couple of points.

00:01:57.000 So that means that J.D.

00:01:58.000 Vance actually underperforms Trump in these states.

00:02:01.000 It's really not about that. 0.81

00:02:02.000 It's about Trump wants a bulldog, and he wants a very high IQ bulldog.

00:02:05.000 As we'll discuss in a moment, J.D.

00:02:06.000 Vance is the highest IQ person maybe in the United States Senate.

00:02:09.000 J.D.

00:02:09.000 Vance is quite brilliant.

00:02:10.000 Obviously, the Yale Law School Association demonstrates that.

00:02:14.000 Hillbilly Elegy is, in fact, a tremendously written piece of work.

00:02:18.000 I had the opportunity to interview J.D.

00:02:20.000 about that book back in 2021 when it was made into a movie.

00:02:24.000 Donald Trump continues, quote, As Vice President, J.D.

00:02:26.000 will continue to fight for our Constitution, stand with our troops, and will do everything he can to help me make America great again.

00:02:31.000 Congratulations to Senator J.D.

00:02:33.000 Vance, his wife Usha, who also graduated from Yale Law School, and their three beautiful children, MAGA 2024.

00:02:40.000 And again, it's a fascinating move, and it is a bold move by a president who believes that he is winning.

00:02:47.000 And again, there's a reason that Trump believes he's winning right now.

00:02:49.000 The swing state polling from YouGov finds that Trump is currently up nine in Arizona, five in Wisconsin, six in Georgia, three in Pennsylvania, two in Michigan, five in Nevada, and four in North Carolina.

00:02:59.000 That is an extraordinary set of polls for Donald Trump.

00:03:03.000 And the only one of those polls that seems to even be within spitting distance is maybe Michigan.

00:03:07.000 Wisconsin plus five is a big number for Donald Trump.

00:03:11.000 How much of that is about Trump and how much of that is about Joe Biden?

00:03:14.000 We'll get to that in a moment.

00:03:15.000 J.D.

00:03:16.000 Vance was introduced on the floor of the Republican National Convention yesterday afternoon.

00:03:22.000 He came down to the strain of Merle Haggard's America First, which I think was a signal because J.D.

00:03:26.000 Vance is famously rather isolationist when it comes to his foreign policy, certainly with regard to Ukraine.

00:03:31.000 America First was actually a sort of isolationist ballad that was written in 2005 to rebuke the Bush administration.

00:03:38.000 So the fact that J.D.

00:03:39.000 Vance entered to the strains of that is somewhat telling.

00:03:41.000 Here is what it sounded like.

00:03:47.000 And J.D.

00:03:47.000 is incredibly young.

00:03:48.000 J.D.

00:03:48.000 is younger than I am.

00:03:50.000 J.D.

00:03:50.000 is 39 years old.

00:03:51.000 Again, he is extremely smart.

00:03:53.000 J.D.' 's really, really articulate.

00:03:55.000 He's an excellent writer.

00:03:56.000 He's an excellent speaker.

00:03:57.000 And that is presumably why Trump picked him. 0.86

00:03:59.000 Also, he's a Trump loyalist and an absolute bulldog.

00:04:02.000 When it comes to any debate between J.D.

00:04:05.000 Vance and Kamala Harris, he is likely to clock her into next week, which I think is one of the appeals right here.

00:04:13.000 Now, Vance is, again, he's been very aggressive on the campaign trail in favor of President Trump over the last year or so.

00:04:20.000 He's only been in the Senate for about 37 seconds, as I say.

00:04:24.000 He only joined the United States Senate in 2023.

00:04:28.000 He won a competitive GOP primary in 2022, and there was an open Ohio Senate seat that he ended up winning relatively narrowly in 2022.

00:04:36.000 So he's only been in the Senate since 2023.

00:04:39.000 With that said, his story is quite fascinating.

00:04:42.000 He grew up extremely blue-collar in Ohio, and then he wrote a very famous book called The Hillbilly Elegy.

00:04:51.000 Hillbilly Elegy was a massive bestseller that was turned into a movie much later.

00:04:56.000 That was directed by Ron Howard.

00:04:57.000 The critics ripped it up and down.

00:04:59.000 Now, in 2016, when he wrote Hillbilly Elegy, it was seen as sort of the Trumpian book.

00:05:03.000 It was the book that explained the rise of Donald Trump.

00:05:05.000 The central thesis of the book was effectively that there were a lot of people who had been forgotten in the middle of the country.

00:05:11.000 People had been left behind in the middle of the country.

00:05:15.000 And what he wrote, here's some of the quotes from Hillbilly Elegy, which tells you sort of where his head is at with regard to how he believes people ought to think about work and work ethic.

00:05:26.000 Now, as we'll talk about in a moment, that contrasts somewhat with his sort of industrial policy.

00:05:31.000 He's very much on the interventionist economic side of the Republican aisle.

00:05:36.000 He favors government interventionism in terms of subsidies and regulations, very much like President Trump supposedly did back in 2016.

00:05:44.000 Trump didn't actually end up implementing a whole hell of a lot of that.

00:05:46.000 I assume that J.D.

00:05:47.000 Vance, if he were president, would.

00:05:49.000 Here's what he wrote in Hillbillyology, quote, He also says, Similarly, when people do fail, this mindset allows them to look outward.

00:05:52.000 I once ran into an old acquaintance at a Middletown bar who told me that he had recently quit his job because he was sick of waking up early. 0.99

00:05:57.000 you're a loser, it's the government's fault. 0.98

00:06:00.000 He also says if you believe that hard work pays off, then you work hard. 0.99

00:06:02.000 If you think it's hard to get ahead, even when you try, why try at all?

00:06:05.000 Similarly, when people do fail, this mindset allows them to look outward.

00:06:08.000 I once ran into an old acquaintance at a Middletown bar who told me that he had recently quit

00:06:12.000 his job because he was sick of waking up early.

00:06:14.000 I later saw him complaining on Facebook about the Obama economy and how it had affected

00:06:17.000 his life.

00:06:18.000 I don't doubt the Obama economy has affected many, but this man is assuredly not among

00:06:22.000 His status in life is directly attributable to the choices he's made, and his life will improve only through better decisions.

00:06:27.000 But for him to make better choices, he needs to live in an environment that forces him to ask tough questions about himself.

00:06:31.000 There's a cultural movement in the white working class to blame problems on society or the government, and that movement gains adherence by the day. 0.89

00:06:38.000 Now again, Hillbilly Elegy originally came out in 2016.

00:06:43.000 At the time, Vance was quite anti-Trump.

00:06:47.000 The Democrats are, of course, already noting this as though this is some sort of great revelation.

00:06:50.000 It turns out that many of us, actually, were not huge fans of Trump in 2016.

00:06:53.000 J.D.

00:06:54.000 Vance, like me, did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016, and now, of course, is a major supporter of Donald Trump, as I am.

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00:08:00.000 Here's what J.D.

00:08:01.000 Vance actually wrote about Donald Trump in a text in 2016.

00:08:04.000 He said, I'm not surprised by Trump's rise.

00:08:05.000 I think the entire party has only itself to blame.

00:08:07.000 We are, whether we like it or not, the party of lower-income, lower-education white people, and I've been saying for a long time, we need to offer those people something, and hell, maybe even expand our appeal to working-class black people in the process, or a demagogue would.

00:08:17.000 We are now at that point.

00:08:19.000 Trump is the fruit of the party's collective neglect. 0.94

00:08:21.000 I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical a-hole like Nixon, who wouldn't be that bad, and might even prove useful, or that he's America's Hitler. 0.95

00:08:27.000 How's that for discouraging?

00:08:28.000 Now, people are focusing on the last part there, but you can see hints, even in the first part, that what he wants to do is offer something to the white working class, particularly in the Rust Belt state.

00:08:38.000 And that has grown into a sort of full-blown interest in industrial economic policy.

00:08:43.000 This is one of the areas where he has wide differentiation from traditional sort of economic free market conservatism.

00:08:51.000 First of all, we should point out that he's been asked directly about those comments about Trump.

00:08:55.000 His answer is very much the same as mine, which is Trump surprised him and he was wrong.

00:08:58.000 Here we go.

00:08:59.000 You've got to respect the American people enough to just level with them.

00:09:02.000 Look, I was wrong about Donald Trump.

00:09:04.000 I didn't think he was going to be a good president.

00:09:06.000 Brett, he was a great president, and it's one of the reasons why I'm working so hard to make sure he gets a second term.

00:09:11.000 I think you should.

00:09:12.000 When you're wrong about something, you should change your mind and be honest with people about that fact.

00:09:17.000 Okay, so, again, that seems like a pretty good excuse.

00:09:19.000 Not only that, it's a good move by President Trump because, again, it's embracing the fact that he has brought more people into the tent, certainly.

00:09:26.000 Now, on economics, again, he is quite heterodox on economics from sort of traditional free market republicanism.

00:09:33.000 So, on trade, for example, he has been very much in favor of tariffs.

00:09:40.000 He suggested a much more aggressive approach to protecting domestic manufacturers if Trump wins a second term.

00:09:44.000 Now, Trump was aggressive on tariff policy with regard to China, largely for national security reasons.

00:09:50.000 But Vance is much more aggressive in terms of actual domestic protection for manufacturers.

00:09:57.000 Here's J.D.

00:09:57.000 Vance talking about tariff policy just a couple of years ago.

00:10:02.000 We haven't heard a lot of specifics.

00:10:03.000 I mean, there's been ranges of a 10% to 60% tariffs.

00:10:06.000 Do you know what the plan is?

00:10:07.000 Well, look, I'm not going to speak for Donald Trump, but I certainly agree that we need to apply some broad-based tariffs, especially on goods coming in from China, and not just solar panels and EV stuff.

00:10:17.000 We need to protect American industries from all of the competition.

00:10:21.000 Because here's the thing, Margaret.

00:10:23.000 The reason China beats us, it's not because they have better workers. 0.90

00:10:26.000 It's because they're willing to use slaves to make things there. 0.83

00:10:29.000 We want American workers to make this stuff at good wages.

00:10:33.000 Okay, now again, the case that he is making right there is true about China, but it can also be extended out in principle to pretty much anything that protects certain sectors of American domestic manufacture.

00:10:45.000 That's a point that he made to me in 2021.

00:10:47.000 So again, I interviewed J.D.

00:10:48.000 Vance back in 2021.

00:10:49.000 It's really a fascinating interview.

00:10:50.000 You can go check it out over at YouTube.

00:10:52.000 And we explicitly discussed industrial policy.

00:10:54.000 Here's what J.D.

00:10:55.000 Vance, beardless at the time, had to say about industrial policy at that point.

00:10:59.000 I do think the economic piece of it is important, especially if we understand that the economy is not just the way that people provide for themselves materially, but they also sort of need that community that comes along with a stable job and good work.

00:11:13.000 And I also think at a fundamental level, we have to meet people where they are, right?

00:11:16.000 So it's one thing to say, to people, well, you've got to go get a U-Haul, you've got

00:11:21.000 to move to where the economic opportunities are.

00:11:24.000 That's fine for some subcategory of people.

00:11:26.000 I think some people are going to want to move.

00:11:29.000 But if in reality a lot of people don't want to leave the homes that made them where they

00:11:32.000 are, maybe they're willing to move a few hours away, maybe they're willing to move 45 miles

00:11:36.000 up the road, but they're not willing to sort of drop everything and move from West Virginia

00:11:40.000 to San Francisco.

00:11:41.000 I think we just have to accept that's how people are.

00:11:44.000 Even if Kevin Williamson may not like that that's how people are, that is a fact of life.

00:11:48.000 And so we also have to, if we care about people, I think all of us do, we have to accept that we have to try to rebuild some sort of real economic and manufacturing base all over the country.

00:11:59.000 But we also have this very discreet idea that while the government shouldn't be controlling the American economy, we should have as a policy consensus a view about what we want the economy to be, what we want the market to be able to produce, and to put a little bit of a thumb on the scale to make that possible.

00:12:19.000 So on a generalized level, I obviously disagree with that, as I made clear in that interview, where actually both of us were beardless at the time.

00:12:24.000 I'm much more free market than J.D.

00:12:26.000 is, but he's an excellent and intelligent expositor of his position on these issues.

00:12:31.000 On economics, he's made common cause from time to time with Senator Elizabeth Warren.

00:12:35.000 He's cheered on Federal Trade Commissioner Chair Lena Kahn.

00:12:38.000 These are all sort of, for free marketers, notes of caution, but they are also significations that Donald Trump believes that his industrial policy The kind of policy that he's espoused for his entire career, actually, is backed by J.D.

00:12:50.000 Vance.

00:12:50.000 Again, J.D.

00:12:51.000 Vance is much more of an ideological pick than a sort of clever political pick.

00:12:54.000 If Mike Pence is a way for Donald Trump to shore up his support with evangelical communities, there's no sort of political similarity there with J.D.

00:13:01.000 Vance, at least not clearly.

00:13:04.000 Because as I said before, Donald Trump seems to perform pretty well in the blue wall states without J.D.

00:13:08.000 Vance.

00:13:09.000 Now, I will say, politically speaking, this does raise the possibility of Donald Trump being able to break into more private union-based communities.

00:13:19.000 And this has been something that a lot of Republicans in blue-collar states have wanted to do for a long time.

00:13:25.000 They want to say there shouldn't be a stranglehold on union politics by Democrats.

00:13:30.000 So, for example, the head of the Teamsters actually came out, his name is Sean O'Brien, and praised J.D.

00:13:37.000 Vance after the pick on Fox News.

00:13:39.000 J.D.

00:13:40.000 Vance, the short time that we've worked together, I mean, he's been great on Teamster issues.

00:13:45.000 He has co-sponsored an airline manufacturing bill that addresses outsourcing of critical airline maintenance to China.

00:13:53.000 He's also supported paid sick leave for our railroad workers.

00:13:59.000 You remember that situation a couple of years ago, when they weren't getting sick time, he stepped right up.

00:14:05.000 He's also been very vocal and supportive of holding employers accountable

00:14:11.000 who try and skirt their obligation under an independent contractor model known as DSP.

00:14:17.000 So the Teamsters have actually even signified that they may not endorse in the race,

00:14:20.000 which would be a massive loss for Joe Biden.

00:14:23.000 Well, new horizons are opening up for the Republican Party electorally, particularly in those blue wall. 0.97

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00:15:26.000 Again, on economics, Vance is very heterodox.

00:15:28.000 He has signaled his possible willingness to hike taxes.

00:15:31.000 In some cases, he has spoken out in favor of breaking up some of big tech, for example.

00:15:38.000 Suggesting that bias in big tech is a major problem.

00:15:40.000 Again, that is sort of an open debate inside the Republican Party right now.

00:15:44.000 So very heterodox.

00:15:45.000 I'm using the word heterodox advisedly here because again, Trumpism has never really been fleshed out as a full-scale philosophy.

00:15:51.000 Vance comes the closest of any of the candidates to actually doing that.

00:15:55.000 When it comes to foreign policy, I think you can best describe Vance not as an isolationist, but more as a realist.

00:16:00.000 I think that's probably how he would describe himself.

00:16:02.000 Now, that takes a rather interesting turn when it comes to the two major hot conflicts in the world right now.

00:16:07.000 One in Israel, obviously, and one in Ukraine.

00:16:09.000 He looks at those two conflicts and he sees heavy American interest in Israel.

00:16:13.000 He does not see heavy American interest in Ukraine.

00:16:15.000 So when it comes to Ukraine, he is famously anti-Ukraine aid.

00:16:19.000 He wrote a piece back in April titled, The Math on Ukraine Does Not Add Up.

00:16:22.000 This is for the New York Times, in which he suggests that there are three reasons why there shouldn't be any more aid to Ukraine.

00:16:28.000 The first reason, Is that Ukraine will not be able to do with the aid what they need to do.

00:16:35.000 Second is lack of American military capacity and the notion that we are going to be overdoing it.

00:16:42.000 That essentially, if we ship them more military aid, then we are emptying our own stockpiles.

00:16:48.000 And finally, the basic idea, which is that we should be spending money at home and not spending money abroad.

00:16:52.000 Now, again, I think that last idea there is the most flimsy because that's always true for any conflict, literally any conflict.

00:16:59.000 It's not an excuse for not having a foreign policy.

00:17:02.000 I also think it ignores the actual American interests in, say, preventing Russia from taking over the world's breadbasket and then putting itself on the borders of a multiplicity of NATO states.

00:17:12.000 If you don't want an arms race in Europe, then presumably a level of aid sufficient to allow Ukraine to repel Russia from a full-scale win would be the thing you're looking for. 0.52

00:17:21.000 But J.D.

00:17:22.000 has made clear in interviews before that he actually doesn't care what happens in Ukraine, which is a very strong statement, and one that I would love to see J.D.

00:17:29.000 actually flesh out a little bit more.

00:17:30.000 This is back when he was a candidate.

00:17:32.000 I think it's ridiculous that we're focused on this border in Ukraine.

00:17:36.000 I gotta be honest with you, I don't really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another.

00:17:41.000 He doesn't care what happens to Ukraine one way or another is a very strong statement.

00:17:45.000 Now, again, what he actually ends up with at the end of his New York Times piece is something that looks very much like what I would say or what Trump would say, which is, you support Ukraine up to the point a peace can be reached with an eye on the off-ramp.

00:17:56.000 He finishes by saying, the White House has said time and time again it can't negotiate with President Vladimir Putin of Russia.

00:18:01.000 This is absurd.

00:18:02.000 The Biden administration has no viable plan for the Ukrainians to win this war.

00:18:05.000 The sooner Americans confront this truth, the sooner we can fix this mess and broker for peace.

00:18:09.000 I would agree with that so long as there's any flexibility in negotiation shown by Putin.

00:18:15.000 In fact, I've been agreeing with that since Henry Kissinger said it like two months into the Ukraine war.

00:18:19.000 The call for a full scale withdrawal of aid in the face of continued Russian aggression, however, is not likely to lead to a negotiated end in Ukraine.

00:18:26.000 It is likely to lead to a further continuation of the conflict.

00:18:29.000 And when it comes to Israel, however, he does see strong American interest in Israel.

00:18:32.000 He spoke at the Quincy Institute, which is a sort of paleocon institute, meaning isolationist. And he spoke there about 0.61

00:18:40.000 Ukraine, but he also spoke about Israel. And there he differentiated between the two. And he

00:18:43.000 spelled out what he thinks are America's interests in maintaining enough aid for

00:18:46.000 Israel to be able to destroy Hamas, and then to broker a peace deal with the Saudis that would 0.52

00:18:50.000 create a regional security block.

00:18:51.000 I think we have a real opportunity to ensure that Israel is an ally in the true sense,

00:18:58.000 that it's going to pursue their interests. And sometimes those interests won't totally

00:19:02.000 overlap with the United States, and that's totally reasonable,

00:19:04.000 but they are fundamentally self-sufficient.

00:19:06.000 And I think the way that we get there in Israel is actually by combining the Abraham Accords approach with the defeat of Hamas.

00:19:15.000 that gets us to a place where Israel and the Sunni nations can play a regional counterweight to Iran.

00:19:21.000 Again, we don't want a broader regional war.

00:19:23.000 We don't want to get involved in a broader regional war.

00:19:26.000 The best way to do that is to ensure that Israel with the Sunni nations can actually police their own region of the world. 0.97

00:19:34.000 And that allows us to spend less time and less resources on the Middle East and focus more on East Asia.

00:19:40.000 And again, that is a very solid realist case.

00:19:43.000 And the realist logic that Vance is bringing is actually not full-scale isolationism, as he makes clear right there.

00:19:48.000 I, too, would like to see pretty much everybody off American aid.

00:19:51.000 The point of American aid is to foment American interests.

00:19:53.000 And as Vance puts forward there, there are, in fact, American interests in a stable Middle East that aren't going to require us to intervene every five seconds or so.

00:20:02.000 And meanwhile, on immigration, he very much mirrors Donald Trump's feelings on immigration.

00:20:07.000 Just last week, he was slamming Jerome Powell, the chair of the Federal Reserve, on illegal immigration and talking about its impact on the economy.

00:20:14.000 When you hear sort of your colleagues and other economists outside of the Fed talk about the influx of immigration and the fact that it, I think admittedly, has put downward pressure on wages.

00:20:29.000 Okay, so there, obviously, that has put some downward pressure on inflation, but it also puts downward pressure on the wages that people earn.

00:20:36.000 to pay for their families.

00:20:39.000 Why do we see that as a good thing?

00:20:41.000 Or maybe that's wrong.

00:20:42.000 Maybe the premise is fundamentally incorrect.

00:20:43.000 But why do so many economists treat an influx of new labor as a good thing if labor is constrained, labor supply is constrained?

00:20:55.000 Doesn't that lead to rising wages for American workers? 0.81

00:20:58.000 I'm certainly not trying to put a value judgment on it.

00:21:01.000 I will say that this is all happening over the last couple of years in a context of an extremely tight labor market.

00:21:07.000 Okay, so again, he's pointing out there that if you want increasing wages, then you can't undercut the labor base.

00:21:12.000 Now, again, I don't think that's a particularly great argument against immigration.

00:21:16.000 I think that there's a very strong cultural argument that you actually have to screen people so that you don't have a massive influx of people who aren't engaged in American taxpaying, who aren't engaged in American culture or the thoughts of the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, for example.

00:21:31.000 But that perspective obviously matches up incredibly well with the perspective of President Trump.

00:21:35.000 Obviously, J.D.

00:21:36.000 Vance's perspectives on immigration, they match Donald Trump's, and Donald Trump has been very concerned about the social unrest connected with illegal immigration.

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00:22:42.000 J.D.

00:22:43.000 Vance did cut an ad when he was running for the Senate that he brags about having personally written.

00:22:47.000 Here it is.

00:22:49.000 Are you a racist? 0.99

00:22:51.000 Do you hate Mexicans? 0.97

00:22:53.000 The media calls us racist for wanting to build Trump's wall.

00:22:56.000 They censor us, but it doesn't change the truth.

00:22:59.000 Joe Biden's open border is killing Ohioans, with more illegal drugs and more Democrat voters pouring into this country.

00:23:06.000 This issue is personal.

00:23:08.000 I nearly lost my mother to the poison coming across our border.

00:23:11.000 No child should grow up an orphan.

00:23:13.000 I'm J.D.

00:23:14.000 Vance, and I approve this message because whatever they call us, we will put America first.

00:23:19.000 Now again, that's a very Trumpian message, and that just underscores exactly why Trump picked him.

00:23:23.000 Now the thing that comes out of all of this is that J.D.

00:23:25.000 is super smart.

00:23:26.000 J.D., again, incredibly articulate.

00:23:29.000 When you see him in these clips talking with anchors on television, he's not going to get bested, he's not going to freeze up, he's not somebody who tends to bank on sort of peculiar Ticks or anything like that.

00:23:43.000 J.D.' 's a very talented guy, and there's a reason that Trump picked him.

00:23:45.000 He's also incredibly young.

00:23:46.000 He provides a next generation to whatever America first ends up being. 0.61

00:23:50.000 And again, the question I've always asked about Trumpism is, is there a Trumpism or is there only Trump?

00:23:54.000 Again, Vance is the best expositor of Trumpism if there is, in fact, a Trumpism.

00:23:59.000 Now, politically speaking, this does open up some attack lines for Democrats.

00:24:03.000 As I said, J.D.

00:24:04.000 Vance is a bold and audacious pick specifically because he is not a conventional pick and also because he doesn't actually open the map any wider than it otherwise would have been.

00:24:13.000 Picking, say, Glenn Youngkin would have provided very few places for Democrats to grab onto.

00:24:17.000 Picking J.D.

00:24:18.000 Vance allows for the materialization of attacks that Trump has been able to avoid.

00:24:22.000 So, you can't really attack Trump on policy, specifically because he's so vague.

00:24:25.000 There is no philosophy there.

00:24:27.000 For J.D., because he's thought a lot of these things through, and because he has said so many of these things out loud, that is going to allow Democrats to attack him with more alacrity than they would another candidate.

00:24:38.000 So again, politically speaking, he is not the best pick.

00:24:40.000 He may be the best pick in terms of, again, providing a future for Donald Trump's philosophy beyond Donald Trump.

00:24:46.000 He will certainly be the best attack dog that Trump could have picked.

00:24:49.000 As far as opening the map or providing less vulnerabilities for a Democratic opponent, that's not what he is there for.

00:24:55.000 So Van Jones over on CNN, he did a good job, I think, of retailing what the Democratic line of attack against J.D.

00:25:00.000 Vance is likely to be.

00:25:01.000 Here it is.

00:25:02.000 This is scary dude.

00:25:04.000 Uh, scary dude, because, um, if you were hoping that, uh, after this near death experience, we're going to have a Kumbaya convention.

00:25:13.000 This is not a Kumbaya pit.

00:25:15.000 And so, um, this would signal that Donald Trump is planning on doing a lot of, um, All right, so J.D.

00:25:23.000 governing. He's got somebody in there who's a pit bull. He's an attack dog. He went to

00:25:28.000 law school. He's going to be in there making a whole bunch of stuff happen. So if you're

00:25:32.000 worried about the project 2025 and all type of stuff, this is a guy that's going to really

00:25:37.000 keep you up at night.

00:25:38.000 Right. So JD Vance is scary. Hatchet Man is going to be, in fact, the pitch. Now, what's

00:25:43.000 weird is that the Democrats are trying to attack him from the left on these issues,

00:25:47.000 So Joe Biden put out a tweet saying, here's the deal about J.D.

00:25:50.000 Vance.

00:25:50.000 He talks a big game about working people, but now he and Trump want to raise taxes on middle class families while pushing more tax cuts for the rich.

00:25:56.000 I don't intend to let them.

00:25:57.000 And if you're with me, pitch in.

00:25:59.000 That is a super weak T. General Mally Dillon.

00:26:02.000 Put out a Biden campaign statement saying Donald Trump picked J.D.

00:26:04.000 Vance as his running mate because Vance will do what Mike Pence wouldn't do on January 6th, bend over backwards to enable Trump and his extreme MAGA agenda, even if it means breaking the law no matter the harm to the American people.

00:26:14.000 As Trump's running mate, Vance will make it his mission to enact Trump's Project 2025 agenda at the expense of American families.

00:26:19.000 This is someone who supports banning abortion nationwide while criticizing exceptions for rape and incest survivors, railed against the Affordable Care Act, including its protections for millions with preexisting conditions, and has admitted he would not have certified the free and fair election in 2020.

00:26:31.000 Billionaires and corporations are literally rooting for JD Vance.

00:26:34.000 They know he and Trump will cut their taxes and send prices skyrocketing for everyone else over the next three and a half months.

00:26:38.000 We'll spend every single day making the case between the two starkly contrasting visions Americans will choose between at the ballot box this November, the Biden-Harris ticket, who's focused on uniting the country, creating opportunity for everyone and lowering costs, or Trump-Vance, whose harmful agenda will take away Americans' rights, hurt the middle class, and make life more expensive, all while benefiting the ultra-rich and greedy corporations.

00:26:57.000 So, again, That is gonna be the line of attack.

00:27:00.000 And Biden-Harris HQ put out a very scary picture.

00:27:03.000 Ooh, scary picture of J.D.

00:27:07.000 Vance.

00:27:08.000 You can see it's badly lit from below.

00:27:10.000 Ooh, so scary.

00:27:11.000 And then they put out the tweet, Trump has selected far-right MAGA extremist J.D.

00:27:14.000 Vance as his running mate.

00:27:15.000 Vance is a 2020 election denier, supports a national abortion ban, and voted against IVF access.

00:27:21.000 And that is going to be the line of attack.

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00:28:40.000 So Democrats, Joe Biden, he seems to have settled on a two-pronged strategy.

00:28:45.000 One is that he is going to continue to just try and throw money at people.

00:28:49.000 So he is now presenting the President of the United States.

00:28:51.000 Remember, he still exists.

00:28:52.000 Remember Joe Biden?

00:28:53.000 I know we forgot about him since Saturday.

00:28:55.000 But the old senile man is still there, purportedly running the country.

00:28:59.000 It's actually probably Joe, but supposedly he's still there.

00:29:03.000 Well, he has a new pitch.

00:29:04.000 His new pitch that he is proposing today is to cap rental costs nationwide.

00:29:10.000 Okay, now this is insane.

00:29:12.000 There's no actual economic benefit to this.

00:29:16.000 You can't just cap increases in rents nationwide without drastically reducing the supply.

00:29:22.000 Rent control has failed literally everywhere it has ever been tried.

00:29:25.000 There are entire swaths of New York that were burned during the 1970s because of rent control, because it turns out that when you can't increase rent to keep up with costs, people just abandon the upkeep on their apartments or burn them down for the insurance money.

00:29:38.000 But Joe Biden is now proposing that nationwide.

00:29:39.000 So he's already tried paying off college students and ex-college students by alleviating their student loan debt illegally.

00:29:46.000 Now, according to the Washington Post, Biden's plan, which would need to be approved by Congress, calls for stripping a tax benefit from landlords who increase their tenants' rent more than 5% per year.

00:29:56.000 The measure would only apply to landlords who own more than 50 units, which represents roughly half of all rental properties.

00:30:01.000 It would not cover units that have not yet been built in an attempt to ensure the policy does not discourage construction of new rental housing. 0.99

00:30:06.000 That's idiotic. 0.99

00:30:07.000 Of course it will discourage new rental housing. 0.99

00:30:08.000 If I'm about to build a 60-unit place, that just means that it's going to kick in a year from now when I raise the rent 6%.

00:30:16.000 It requires congressional support, which means that he's going to yell at Republicans about not doing it. 0.99

00:30:22.000 But the proposal itself is idiotic. 0.99

00:30:24.000 It is presumably illegal. 0.99

00:30:25.000 I mean, it's certainly a violation of the Takings Clause to simply say that people are not allowed to increase the rents consummate with the market.

00:30:33.000 He's trying to do this in Nevada because rents have been rising relatively steeply in Nevada.

00:30:39.000 But if he believes that he's going to tamp down inflation in housing costs by essentially destroying the new supply of housing with rent control, he is out of his mind.

00:30:47.000 But again, there's not much mind left there from President Biden.

00:30:50.000 So that is prong number one, try to pay people off.

00:30:53.000 And it's not going to work very well.

00:30:54.000 Prong number two was, declare Donald Trump a scourged democracy.

00:30:58.000 The problem, of course, is that after the attempted assassination of Donald Trump on Saturday, that line of attack should be off the table for him.

00:31:06.000 Because after all, when you keep saying over and over, as we've been saying, When you keep saying that somebody is Hitler, that that person is going to end democracy, that the election of that person is going to literally end the country, there will be no more democracy, no more elections, then people might take that the wrong way and go and try and shoot the president in the head, for example.

00:31:26.000 And Joe Biden himself supposedly recognized this.

00:31:29.000 You'll recall just yesterday on this program, when we discussed President Biden going to the Oval Office and giving a six-minute speech that he barely was able to read from a teleprompter that was misaligned with his eyeline, in which he declared that it was time to cool it down.

00:31:43.000 Take it down, not just cool it.

00:31:47.000 And what I said at the time was, I didn't believe him.

00:31:49.000 And the reason I didn't believe him is because he didn't say one phrase, including me.

00:31:54.000 He should have said, we all need to take down the temperature, including me.

00:31:58.000 And instead he said, we all need to take down the temperature, including you.

00:32:03.000 Which is effectively blaming Trump for his own attempted assassination.

00:32:08.000 Well, if you thought that Joe Biden was going to be honest about his own role in all of this, wrong you are, wrong you are.

00:32:17.000 So first, Corinne Jean-Pierre made this absolutely clear.

00:32:20.000 World's most untalented White House press secretary, she was asked about calling Donald Trump a threat to democracy.

00:32:25.000 Will you keep saying that?

00:32:27.000 And she said, of course we'll keep calling.

00:32:28.000 Of course we're going to do that.

00:32:29.000 Like, you think we're going to give up the central thrust of our political campaign?

00:32:34.000 The view is that Trump and the mega-republican agenda is a threat to democracy.

00:32:39.000 So how do you get that message across while bringing the temperature down?

00:32:44.000 How is that phrasing going to be replaced?

00:32:45.000 Is it going to be replaced?

00:32:46.000 Well, look, what I can say is this.

00:32:50.000 We have our differences, and it's okay to have our differences.

00:32:53.000 And it is okay to speak to someone's record, to speak to someone's character.

00:33:00.000 That is important to be able to do to show the American people what you're all about.

00:33:12.000 We're just going to continue to denounce violence.

00:33:15.000 It is important to do that, forcefully be against violence.

00:33:18.000 Political violence has no place in America.

00:33:21.000 It should not be.

00:33:21.000 It does not have a place here.

00:33:24.000 The President's going to continue to be very, very forceful about that.

00:33:27.000 But we have a difference of agenda.

00:33:29.000 That is the truth.

00:33:30.000 Okay, so the difference of agenda also includes continuing to maintain that your political opponent is going to end democracy.

00:33:36.000 In just one second, we're going to get to President Biden, who again, himself, he is failing.

00:33:41.000 He's falling apart.

00:33:43.000 He did an interview with Lester Holt.

00:33:44.000 It was going to be the most Looked forward to thing of the week, and then, of course, all hell broke loose on Saturday, and now you have a vice presidential pick on the Republican side, and it's the RNC.

00:33:52.000 But, if you remember, all the way back to the middle of next week, the thing that everybody was waiting for was this latest interview with Lester Holt, because we were going to find out, yet again, whether the President of the United States is senile.

00:34:02.000 Well, we found out, alright.

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00:35:02.000 As we were saying, President Biden, he was supposed to do an interview with Lester Holt over the weekend and then was going to air this week.

00:35:08.000 Well, finally the interview has come out and it was going to be another referendum on whether he can continue to maintain his run.

00:35:14.000 And that's all been put on hold.

00:35:16.000 As of last Friday, there was a lot of discussion about whether he was going to be forced from the race yet again, because every Democrat looked at him and they said he is senile, he is losing, he is down in all the swing states.

00:35:24.000 By one poll from the Wall Street Journal, he's down six nationally to Donald Trump, which is a disaster area poll for him.

00:35:31.000 Right now, in the RealClearPolitics polling average, he is down nationally to Donald Trump in the five-way by 4.1 points.

00:35:39.000 That is the poll, the five-way, that includes RFK Jr., for example.

00:35:42.000 Worth noting, by the way, RFK Jr.

00:35:43.000 did, in fact, stop by the RNC yesterday to meet with Trump.

00:35:46.000 We are not sure what that is about at this time.

00:35:48.000 Maybe it is Trump brokering with RFK to drop out of the race and throw him his support in return for, say, EPA administrator or something, which is really what I assume RFK Jr.

00:35:58.000 would like to do.

00:35:59.000 But because of the disaster area that has beset Biden, there's been a lot of talk about replacing him on the ticket.

00:36:04.000 That all went away when somebody tried to shoot the former president of the United States in the head.

00:36:08.000 It just overshadowed everything.

00:36:10.000 But Biden's back, and he sounds worse than ever.

00:36:13.000 So here was Joe Biden with Lester Holt, and he was asked by Lester Holt about his rhetoric.

00:36:19.000 This ended up being filmed after, of course, the assassination attempt.

00:36:23.000 Here we go.

00:36:25.000 Well, let's talk about the conversation this has started, and it's really about language, what we say out loud, and the consequences of those.

00:36:32.000 You called your opponent an existential threat on a call a week ago.

00:36:36.000 You said it's time to put Trump in the bullseye.

00:36:39.000 There's some dispute about the context, but I think you appreciate that word better.

00:36:43.000 I didn't say crosshairs.

00:36:44.000 I was talking about focus on.

00:36:46.000 Look, the truth of the matter was, what I guess I was talking about at the time was, there's very little focus on Trump's Yeah, the term was bullseye.

00:36:57.000 It was a mistake to use the word.

00:36:58.000 I didn't mean, I didn't say crosshairs, I meant bullseye, I meant focus on it.

00:37:02.000 Okay, pause it.

00:37:03.000 Okay, so this is actually, this criticism of Biden is the least, is the least useful one.

00:37:09.000 I mentioned this in the aftermath of all the focus on the bullseye comment. 0.97

00:37:11.000 It was really stupid when they applied it to Sarah Palin. 0.96

00:37:14.000 The reason he is making a differentiation here, you should know, between bullseye and crosshairs is because Democrats tried to blame Sarah Palin for the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabby Giffords 0.99

00:37:23.000 by a complete nut-whack job in Arizona.

00:37:26.000 They blamed a Sarah Palin map that put a crosshairs on Gabby Giffords' district as a swing district

00:37:32.000 that required Republican investment.

00:37:33.000 So he's trying to differentiate by saying that Sarah Palin presumably somehow incited

00:37:38.000 violence but he did not by using the word bullseye. 0.97

00:37:40.000 Again, that's very silly.

00:37:41.000 But the main thrust of this particular interview from Joe Biden is going to be what I said it was, which is everyone else's rhetoric is responsible, not mine, which is kind of amazing, given the fact that his entire campaign has been run on the basis that Donald Trump is an existential threat to democracy.

00:37:57.000 So dire, so deep, so threatening that you must elect a non-sentient 81-year-old man to the presidency so that he cannot fill out his second term.

00:38:07.000 He continues with Lester Holt, and again, he sounds just awful.

00:38:11.000 Focus on his policies.

00:38:13.000 Focus on the number of lies he told in the debate.

00:38:17.000 I mean, there's a whole range of things.

00:38:19.000 Look, I'm not the guy that said, I want to be a dictator on day one.

00:38:23.000 I'm not the guy that refused to accept the outcome of the election.

00:38:27.000 I'm not the guy who said that one would accept the outcome of this election automatically.

00:38:31.000 You can't only love your country when you win.

00:38:35.000 And so, the focus was on what he's saying and, I mean, the idea.

00:38:41.000 But have you taken a step back and done a little soul-searching on things that you may

00:38:47.000 have said that could incite people who are not balanced?

00:38:52.000 Well, I don't think – look, how do you talk about the threat to democracy, which is real,

00:39:01.000 when a president says things like he says?

00:39:03.000 Do you just not say anything because it may incite somebody?

00:39:08.000 Look, I have not engaged in that rhetoric.

00:39:12.000 That's a lie.

00:39:12.000 No, my opponent is engaged in that rhetoric.

00:39:15.000 He talks about there'll be a bloodbath if he loses.

00:39:17.000 Okay, pause it there. 1.00

00:39:18.000 Again, this is the part where you know he's so full of shit. 1.00

00:39:22.000 I mean, truly, unbelievably full of shit. 1.00

00:39:25.000 I mean, when he says that he wants the country to come together, it's time to unite, and everybody needs to take it down. 1.00

00:39:30.000 And then he specifically asks, have you ever said anything?

00:39:32.000 Like, anything that you think is over the top?

00:39:35.000 No.

00:39:35.000 No, I haven't.

00:39:37.000 We literally did a litany of things that he had said on this show on Sunday, in our emergency show, after the assassination attempt.

00:39:45.000 Like, last week, he said that Donald Trump would be a dictator.

00:39:49.000 That's a lie.

00:39:50.000 When he says that Donald Trump called for a bloodbath, again, that is a lie.

00:39:53.000 That is an overt, absolute, full-scale lie.

00:39:56.000 Donald Trump never called for a bloodbath.

00:39:58.000 He said that if Joe Biden was reelected, there would be an economic bloodbath.

00:40:02.000 Which is just a normal colloquial term meaning there would be a bad economy.

00:40:06.000 And Joe Biden knows this.

00:40:07.000 But again, the shtick here is that Donald Trump is effectively responsible for his own assassination.

00:40:12.000 The only person whose rhetoric has been over the top is Donald Trump.

00:40:15.000 Meanwhile, Democrats have been fully above board.

00:40:16.000 Joe Biden, in his own person, has been nothing.

00:40:19.000 But the apotheosis of kindliness and gentility, that is in Joe Biden's mind.

00:40:24.000 That's why I don't believe him when he says he wants to take down the temperature. 0.99

00:40:28.000 And I've been saying for years that people should stop saying on both sides that if the opponent gets elected, it's the last election because it's total crap. 0.98

00:40:33.000 It's not true. 0.97

00:40:35.000 But Joe Biden says that he says it like every single day.

00:40:37.000 And then when asked by Lester Holt after the assassination attempt, if he's going to stop saying it, he's like, nope, I'm going to keep saying it because he is a threat to democracy.

00:40:45.000 So, pardon me if I take, with a giant iceberg-sized block of salt, your contention that it's time to lower the temperature.

00:40:53.000 I don't believe you. 0.99

00:40:55.000 I think you just mean that Republicans should shut up, and you should be able to keep saying that Mitt Romney's gonna put black people back in chains, Tea Partiers are terrorists, and Donald Trump is Hitler. 0.99

00:41:02.000 That's what I think that you mean, Mr. President. 0.99

00:41:06.000 Just vile stuff here from Joe Biden.

00:41:08.000 Here we go.

00:41:10.000 He's gonna forgive all those, actually, I guess, suspend the sentences of all those who were arrested and sentenced to go to jail because of what happened in the Capitol.

00:41:22.000 I'm not out there making fun of, like, remember the picture of Donald Trump when Nancy Pelosi's husband was hit with a hammer, talking about, joking about it? 0.96

00:41:34.000 Yeah, this is just pathetic stuff from him. 0.95

00:41:37.000 And you can make the case that Donald Trump ought to lower the temperature. 0.96

00:41:39.000 I think Donald Trump might make that case actually this Thursday night.

00:41:42.000 But Joe Biden refuses to lower the temperature because the minute he does, this election is over and he knows it.

00:41:46.000 The only way that he can somehow jigger himself into office is by pretending that the threat on the other side is so unbelievably dire that if you don't elect him a warm corpse to the office, that it will be filled by a person who is likely to unleash CLCM6 to kill his political opponents.

00:42:04.000 And meanwhile, by the way, they never stopped marching.

00:42:06.000 So outside the RNC, there were marchers outside the RNC.

00:42:10.000 Were they lowering the temperature, Mr. President?

00:42:11.000 Were they lowering it?

00:42:12.000 I didn't hear that because they were chanting outside the RNC in Milwaukee about how the Republican National Convention was filled with KKK members.

00:42:20.000 You know, members of the absolute party of evil.

00:42:23.000 Here are some of those marchers outside the RNC. 0.88

00:42:26.000 They're chanting, no Trump, no KKK, no fascist USA, while carrying Palestinian flags,

00:42:44.000 the flag of an actual fascist state.

00:42:46.000 Thank you.

00:42:47.000 And it is a fascist state.

00:42:48.000 They haven't had an election even in the West Bank for 20 years.

00:42:51.000 Insane stuff.

00:42:52.000 One of the march organizers outside the RNC was asked about the attempted assassination on Trump.

00:42:57.000 And the organizer was like, wait, why would we oppose assassination exactly?

00:43:01.000 You guys aren't going to answer whether you condemn the assassination or not?

00:43:06.000 It has nothing to do with us.

00:43:07.000 Do you condemn it?

00:43:13.000 It has nothing to do with us.

00:43:16.000 It has nothing to do with us.

00:43:17.000 Do you condemn an assassination attempt?

00:43:19.000 Yes, the answer is yes.

00:43:20.000 I don't understand why you would avoid the question, except that you know that your answer is not that you actually condemn an assassination attempt.

00:43:27.000 This is the full-scale left attempt.

00:43:28.000 The full-scale left pitch on Trump's assassination is that he's responsible.

00:43:32.000 It was a suicide.

00:43:33.000 That he attempted to commit suicide with his own rhetoric. 0.55

00:43:36.000 Or that his rhetoric got so out of control that he incited somebody on his own side to kill him, or somebody on the other side to kill him. 0.97

00:43:41.000 But it could only have been Trump, because left-wingers are allowed to say whatever the hell they want, and right-wingers are the only ones who are unhinged. 0.97

00:43:46.000 Here was Charlemagne Tha God, who does his own show, hammering Trump after somebody tried to shoot Trump in the head. 0.88

00:43:54.000 We are all adults in this country.

00:43:55.000 Okay, big boys, big girls.

00:43:57.000 We can condemn political violence and what happened to Trump on Saturday night, and also talk about the dangerous rhetoric that Donald Trump has spewed that got us here.

00:44:07.000 Okay, so again, they're gonna try and blame it on Trump.

00:44:09.000 That's the whole point.

00:44:11.000 So if the true prong strategy from Joe Biden is bribe people and then blame Trump for his own assassination attempt, good luck.

00:44:17.000 I mean, how exactly do you shift the narrative in this race?

00:44:21.000 It's very difficult to say.

00:44:24.000 It's very, very difficult to say.

00:44:25.000 Alrighty, coming up, we'll get to the question of will Joe Biden stay or will Joe Biden go?

00:44:30.000 Because there's still people pushing for him to go.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - July 16, 2024

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