The Ben Shapiro Show - March 19, 2024


Bankrupting Donald Trump


Episode Stats

Length

58 minutes

Words per Minute

196.85681

Word Count

11,503

Sentence Count

699

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

23


Summary

Trump is on the hook for $454 million in a civil fraud case brought against him by the New York City attorney general, Letitia James, for allegedly defrauding the people of New York out of millions of dollars. The insanity of using a statute like this in order to bankrupt someone for no damages is beyond insane, and we'll talk about why it's a good thing that Donald Trump didn't have any money to pay for it. We'll also talk about the new legislation introduced by Rep. Greg Murphy, D-NJ, that would ban anti-white bias in medical schools, and would also shut down DEI offices like the one at Wake Forest Medical School. And we'll finish up the show with a story about how Donald Trump could have gotten away with much less than half a billion dollars in the case against him, if he didn't pay a bond to cover the amount he was ordered to pay in a bizarrely insane court case that could have cost him $500 million in damages. Subscribe to Daily Wire to get immediate access to our most up-to-date breaking news and analysis of the happenings in the world of politics, economics, economics and politics. Subscribe today using our new podcasting platform, "The Daily Wire." Subscribe and comment to stay up to date with the latest breaking news in world affairs! and get notified when we deconstruct the latest in politics, business, entertainment, and politics! Subscribe, comment, and more! The Daily Wire! - Your feedback is being in our new weekly newsletter, The FiveThirtyFiveThirtysomething. Subscribe and review our newest podcast, FiveThirtysomething's newest podcast FiveThirtyfour's FiveThirtyEight's newest episode on all things politics, culture, finance, culture and culture, politics, and culture! Subscribe to FiveThirtyeight s latest podcast, featuring the world's most interesting and business news, and everything else going on in between the four corners of the political and the political including politics, sports, finance and culture is coming soon! . FiveThirtynine s newest podcast We'll be posting real-estate, real estate, real-life sports, real life, and business, all things real-crime, , real-currencies, and real-law, , and much more! Subscribe and subscribe to our new music, so you won't want to miss it! , so join us on social media!


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Folks, we begin today's show with a thank you to Congressman Greg Murphy.
00:00:03.000 Greg Murphy is the only acting physician in the United States Congress.
00:00:07.000 Right now, following our reporting here at Daily Wire, we talked about it on this show, about rampant DEI in medical schools, Congressman Murphy is now introducing legislation to end federal funding, including student loan funding, for any medical school that practices DEI.
00:00:20.000 The bill is called the Educate Act, and it would ban the anti-white admission standards that, for example, Duke has been using to hire surgeons, which we talked about last month.
00:00:28.000 Any attempt to push against meritocracy at medical schools in favor of quote-unquote racial diversity would make you ineligible to receive federal funding under the bill.
00:00:39.000 Specifically, the bill prevents medical schools from taking quote any action that would deprive a medical student of educational opportunities or otherwise adversely affect their status on the basis of race.
00:00:47.000 It would also prohibit medical schools from teaching that America is systematically racist and that some racial groups are oppressors.
00:00:54.000 This would obviously apply to some of the reporting that we've already done about medical schools like UCLA, where there are mandatory courses talking about colonization of the United States.
00:01:03.000 And such would also shut down DEI offices like the one at Wake Forest Medical School.
00:01:07.000 So, all of this is Really good and really necessary.
00:01:10.000 Again, there are many areas of American life where the meritocracy is necessary.
00:01:14.000 It's hard to think of one where it is more necessary than when it comes to your medical care, your surgical care.
00:01:19.000 And the fact that Congressman Murphy is bringing forward that bill is excellent, and so we say thank you to him.
00:01:24.000 Okay, now, the big news of the day is that President Trump is on the hook for a $454 million judgment.
00:01:32.000 According to the courts in New York, the court in New York which was presided over by Judge Arthur Engron was a stacked court.
00:01:40.000 The civil fraud prosecution that was brought against Donald Trump, and it was done so specifically in civil court as opposed to criminal court because the burden of proof is lower in civil court.
00:01:50.000 This is the case where Attorney General Letitia James, who had come into office pledging to get Trump, which, by the way, is not an actual thing that prosecutors should do.
00:01:58.000 You don't come into office saying you're going to get that guy.
00:02:00.000 What you do is you say you're going to prosecute a crime.
00:02:03.000 Typically, you don't find the criminal.
00:02:05.000 You find the crime.
00:02:06.000 And the person who does the crime is, by definition, the criminal.
00:02:10.000 If you are targeting a specific person, And that looks very much like malicious and selective prosecution, which is exactly, of course, what Letitia James was doing right here.
00:02:19.000 So she prosecuted him in this New York court for the great crime of supposedly inflating the value of his real estate assets and obtaining loans from the banks.
00:02:28.000 There was no allegation that the banks that gave the loans were actually damaged.
00:02:31.000 In fact, they all got their money back.
00:02:33.000 The allegation instead is that by inflating the price of the real estate, Inflating his assets.
00:02:39.000 And somehow he had perpetrated a fraud against the people of New York, despite there being zero damages.
00:02:44.000 So it's a case with zero damages.
00:02:46.000 And then a judgment was brought down of nearly half a billion dollars, which is totally insane.
00:02:51.000 I mean, of all the cases that have been brought against President Trump, this one is by far the most insane.
00:02:55.000 The judgment is completely off-kilter.
00:02:57.000 The insanity of using a statute like this in order to bankrupt someone for no damages is totally crazy.
00:03:03.000 So, in order for Donald Trump to appeal that judgment, which, of course, he has to do, he had to post a bond.
00:03:09.000 The bond that he had to post was $454 million.
00:03:11.000 He had to secure a bond to cover all of that.
00:03:16.000 Now, Donald Trump is a very, very wealthy person, obviously.
00:03:19.000 But, as I've mentioned many times on the show, when it comes to wealth, not all wealth is liquid.
00:03:25.000 People who have a lot of money don't have a bank account with a lot of money in it.
00:03:28.000 What they do is they have, say, real estate holdings or stock holdings.
00:03:32.000 Those are semi-liquid assets, meaning that you could sell them, you could offload them, you could sell stock, you could borrow against them, theoretically.
00:03:39.000 But Donald Trump does not have like $500 million sitting around on hand in a bank vault like Scrooge McDuck.
00:03:44.000 And then every night he just goes home and he dumps it into the vault and swims around or something stupid like that.
00:03:49.000 That's not how this works.
00:03:51.000 So Donald Trump couldn't secure the bond.
00:03:53.000 And so what that now means is that if he cannot secure the bond, in order to appeal, they would have to put liens on his properties.
00:04:00.000 They would have to basically shut down the business workings of all of his properties, including properties that are not apparently located in New York.
00:04:08.000 Letitia James, by the way, says that if Donald Trump does not pay up, then the New York AG is in fact prepared to seize Donald Trump's assets.
00:04:17.000 If he does not have funds to pay off the judgment, then we will seek, you know, judgment enforcement mechanisms in court, and we will ask the judge to seize his assets.
00:04:30.000 Okay, so basically, if he's not going to appeal, if he can't appeal because he can't get the bond and you need the bond in order to appeal, if he can't do that, they will move forward with trying to seize his assets, including assets like Trump Tower in New York.
00:04:41.000 According to Yahoo Finance, the former president must either pay the sum out of his own pocket or post a bond to stave off the state's seizure while he appeals Justice Arthur Engron's February 16th judgment against him for misstating property values to dupe lenders and insurers.
00:04:55.000 Apparently, Trump and two of his adult children and other Trump Organization executives had so far approached the 30 companies through four separate brokers without success.
00:05:02.000 According to his lawyers, the other defendants faced judgments totaling about $10 million.
00:05:05.000 A bonding company would be on the hook for any payout if Trump loses the appeal and proves unable to pay.
00:05:12.000 And that's the reason why people are not putting up the money.
00:05:15.000 There's two reasons.
00:05:16.000 One, they are afraid that on appeal, the appeal will get rejected and Trump will have to pay up.
00:05:19.000 And when Trump pays up, it wouldn't be Trump paying up.
00:05:21.000 It would be whoever puts up the money.
00:05:22.000 That money would then be seized and used as the payment for the actual judgment.
00:05:26.000 And then they would have to turn around and go back to Trump and try to chisel the money out of Trump.
00:05:30.000 So the fact is that on a personal level, there are a lot of people who have accused Donald Trump in the past of not paying his bills properly.
00:05:36.000 And so they're having a difficult time securing some sort of bond.
00:05:42.000 Collateralized against Donald Trump's assets.
00:05:44.000 Maybe Trump isn't willing to give that, or maybe the assets are not free.
00:05:48.000 Whatever it is, Donald Trump is having a very difficult time posting bond here.
00:05:53.000 We'll get to more on this in a moment.
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00:06:54.000 And again, he has to post cash or a bond within 30 days of Engron's formal entry of the order
00:06:59.000 on February 23rd.
00:07:00.000 So we are coming up very, very close to that.
00:07:03.000 Or he has to risk the state seizing some of the Trump Organization's assets to ensure that Letitia James can collect again those 30 days and March 25th.
00:07:10.000 So in just six days, we are going to be faced with either Donald Trump has to come up with a bond, In order to appeal, or Letitia James is going to start seizing his assets.
00:07:19.000 In a court filing on Monday, Trump's lawyers urged a mid-level state appeals court to delay enforcement of the judgment, arguing the amount was excessive.
00:07:26.000 Unclear at this point when that court, known as the appellate division, will actually rule.
00:07:30.000 So a delay in that could create a conflict.
00:07:32.000 It could be that Letitia James is putting liens on his properties, and the appellate division has not put a stay on her doing that.
00:07:37.000 And so you end up with this weird conflict where she has liens on his assets, even as he is attempting to appeal the amount of the judgment.
00:07:43.000 I find it hard to believe that there will be any circumstance in which this judgment is not knocked down extraordinarily.
00:07:49.000 That 95% of this judgment doesn't just disappear.
00:07:52.000 It's an insane proposition that if you are negotiating with a bank and you take an opening negotiation position of my real estate assets are worth X and then they go and they survey the real estate assets.
00:08:02.000 And they determine what they think it's worth.
00:08:04.000 And then you negotiate over it.
00:08:05.000 And then you come up with a loan.
00:08:06.000 And they're not damaged and they get their money back.
00:08:08.000 But somehow you owe half a billion dollars to the state of New York.
00:08:11.000 This is purely an attempt by Letitia James to bankrupt Trump.
00:08:15.000 That is all this is.
00:08:15.000 It's an attempt to bankrupt Donald Trump so as to forestall his ability to, for example, pay his legal bills in other legal cases.
00:08:23.000 Of all the cases that have been brought against Trump, this is the one that is most obviously malicious prosecution.
00:08:27.000 It is deeply malicious.
00:08:28.000 The judge in this case is a political actor, Arthur Engron.
00:08:30.000 He's a clown.
00:08:31.000 He made a clown out of himself in the courtroom.
00:08:33.000 Letitia James is a clown.
00:08:35.000 But again, this is the danger of being able to forum shop.
00:08:38.000 If you can try Donald Trump in New York with a New York jury, You can get away with pretty much anything.
00:08:43.000 In front of a New York judge, you can get away with pretty much anything.
00:08:46.000 And that is not equal application of the law.
00:08:48.000 It's incredibly, incredibly dangerous.
00:08:50.000 It is, by the way, one of the reasons why you are seeing capital flight from places like New York, because a lot of people are looking around and going, hold up, if they don't like me, they're just gonna seize my assets.
00:08:59.000 And that is what it looks like in the state of New York right now.
00:09:02.000 Donald Trump's lawyers are asking that Trump be allowed to post a $100 million bond while he appeals the judgment, which again, that's a lot of money, $100 million in bond.
00:09:10.000 Gary Giulietti, an executive with insurance brokerage with the Lockton companies hired by Trump to help get the bond, wrote in a court filing, a bond for the full $464 million is not possible under the circumstances presented.
00:09:21.000 Giulietti said many sureties would not issue bonds above $100 million and were willing to accept only cash or securities, not real estate as a collateral.
00:09:27.000 So therein lies the problem.
00:09:29.000 Donald Trump, you could theoretically get a collateral, right?
00:09:31.000 I give a loan to Donald Trump, collateralized against his real estate, but there are a lot of bonding companies that won't do that.
00:09:36.000 They will only do that based on more liquid assets like stocks because When you go to sell real estate, it's not a perfectly liquid market.
00:09:43.000 Liquid just means that it's very easy to buy and sell in that market.
00:09:46.000 As people who have ever tried to sell a house know, it may take a while.
00:09:49.000 There may be multiple offers.
00:09:51.000 It may be that you don't get the price that you are actually seeking.
00:09:53.000 It's a time-consuming issue.
00:09:56.000 Particularly when you know that Trump is going to be forced into the corner and forced to sell at fire sale prices if he actually has to sell his assets in order to pay this sort of judgment.
00:10:06.000 Really, really ugly stuff, obviously.
00:10:09.000 Deeply corrupt.
00:10:10.000 Trump campaign spokesperson Stephen Chung told the Daily Express US,
00:10:13.000 this is a motion to stay the unjust unconstitutional un-American judgment
00:10:16.000 from New York Judge Arthur Engron in a political witch hunt brought by a corrupt attorney general.
00:10:20.000 A bond of this size would be an abuse of the law, contradict bedrock principles of
00:10:25.000 our republic and fundamentally undermine the rule of law in New York.
00:10:29.000 Again, that is not wrong.
00:10:30.000 And again, if Trump fails to pay up, the state could, in fact, levy and sell his assets, lean his real property, and garnish anyone who owes him money, according to a Syracuse law professor named Gregory Germain.
00:10:42.000 So this is truly nasty and ugly stuff, and I'm very hopeful that an appellate court in New York will stay this, because this is insane.
00:10:51.000 It is, in fact, Trump is not wrong when he says, listen, I didn't have a judgment against me in New York, anything remotely like this, being the biggest real estate mogul in New York, most famous real estate mogul in New York for literally half a century, nothing like this.
00:11:05.000 He runs for president, he wins the presidency, He loses the presidency, and then all of a sudden, magically, there are these judgments against him for half a billion dollars.
00:11:15.000 Totally insane.
00:11:16.000 Well, again, the Democrats are pulling out all the stops against President Trump, up to and including every hoax that they can find.
00:11:23.000 So, for example, the Biden campaign, as well as the media, continue, as we discussed yesterday, to claim that Donald Trump is pledging a bloodbath should he Should he lose the upcoming election?
00:11:33.000 That is not what he said.
00:11:34.000 What he said, of course, is that if Joe Biden won the upcoming election, there would be an economic bloodbath.
00:11:40.000 That didn't stop Al Sharpton, a person who has been involved in some inflammatory language of his own that also involved riots.
00:11:48.000 from actually ripping into Trump, saying Trump might prompt violence.
00:11:52.000 Again, Al Sharpton standing there and saying this with a straight face is truly astonishing, given the Crown Heights riots of 1991 and the burning down of Freddy's Fashion Mart that same decade, both of which he used some rather inflammatory language regarding Jews.
00:12:05.000 Here was Al Sharpton.
00:12:08.000 Much of this bigoted and threatening language and behavior is being encouraged by former President Trump, who once again at a rally just last night reminded us of his passion for pushing the boundaries of civility.
00:12:25.000 Last month, the FBI warned election officials throughout the country the threat of political violence is real and urged them to take steps to ensure their safety.
00:12:37.000 I pray every day this election will come and go without incident.
00:12:41.000 But if a tragedy should occur, we should all remember who was stoking the flames of hatred and anger, as well as we should remember those who refused to speak out against them.
00:12:56.000 Democrats are such hypocrites on this sort of stuff.
00:12:58.000 I mean, truly hypocrites, because they are perfectly fine with political violence so long as it comes from their side.
00:13:03.000 I oppose political violence on all sides.
00:13:05.000 Democrats only oppose political violence so long as it is supporters of Donald Trump who are supposedly perpetuating it.
00:13:11.000 Democrats were totally fine with $2 billion in property damage in 2020.
00:13:16.000 In fact, they were cheering on the fiery but mostly peaceful riots of the Black Lives Matter movement in 2020.
00:13:22.000 And again, Al Sharpton, as your spokesperson against violence, is pretty astonishing.
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00:14:28.000 Meanwhile, Joe Biden actually cut a campaign ad based on the bloodbath hoax.
00:14:33.000 Here's the campaign ad from yesterday.
00:14:36.000 Now, if I don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath and it's going to be a bloodbath for the country.
00:14:41.000 Jews will not replace us!
00:14:44.000 But you also had people You're very fine people on both sides.
00:14:50.000 Are you willing to condemn white supremacists and militia groups?
00:14:54.000 Proud Boys, stand back and stand by.
00:14:57.000 Please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated January 6th hostages.
00:15:03.000 There'll be a lot of pardons and commutations of January 6th defendants.
00:15:07.000 Yes, absolutely.
00:15:09.000 Tell your supporters now, no matter what, no violence.
00:15:12.000 And it's gonna be a bloodbath.
00:15:16.000 Okay, the bloodbath, like, that's so insane.
00:15:18.000 The bloodbath line is an economic bloodbath description.
00:15:22.000 They're literally taking it out of context, and then they're hooking it up with a bunch of other statements that he has made about January 6th, many of which are also out of context, to create a narrative that Donald Trump is gonna foment an actual civil war in the country if he wins.
00:15:35.000 Now, let's be real.
00:15:36.000 We all know what's actually going to happen if Donald Trump wins.
00:15:38.000 There will be major riots in America's major cities if Donald Trump wins.
00:15:41.000 We all know this.
00:15:43.000 We know it.
00:15:44.000 In fact, there was violence in 2017 when Donald Trump took office.
00:15:48.000 That is a real thing that happened, and it got ignored by the press, because the press really don't care about violence so long as it's left-wing violence.
00:15:56.000 But these sorts of silly hoaxes, like the bloodbath hoax, these sorts of silly hoaxes are now becoming Democratic stock and trade.
00:16:03.000 So the latest one comes courtesy of the White House.
00:16:06.000 So yesterday, Donald Trump did an interview with Seb Gorka, And during that interview, he was talking about Jews voting Democrat, and he was making a point that, frankly, I have made myself, which is that Jews who are voting Democrat do not understand the Democratic Party at this point.
00:16:20.000 They do not understand that the Democratic Party is a wildly anti-Israel party, that it is split at best between moderates on Israel and radicals who hate Israel.
00:16:29.000 Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib.
00:16:30.000 These are people who are honored in the halls of Congress.
00:16:32.000 Alexander Ocasio-Cortez.
00:16:34.000 It is Democrats, Democrat senators right now who are attempting to withdraw military aid as Israel tries to finish off a terrorist group that killed 1,200 Israelis on October 7th and took 250 hostage and currently holds at least 50 more hostages right now.
00:16:49.000 That is the Biden administration that's doing that.
00:16:52.000 The Biden administration, they unleashed Chuck Schumer to try to overthrow the democratically elected government of Israel right now.
00:16:59.000 He literally called for new elections and said that Bibi Netanyahu is the problem in a conflict between a democratically elected ally of the United States and an actual, honest to God, America-hating terrorist group.
00:17:09.000 That was Chuck Schumer who was doing that.
00:17:12.000 It is Joe Biden who right now is putting significant pressure on Netanyahu.
00:17:17.000 Okay, but Donald Trump mentions this and he says, you know, Jews should not vote Democrat based on this.
00:17:23.000 If you're a Jew and you're voting Democrat, it's because either you don't understand what's going on or you don't care about what's going on.
00:17:28.000 He happens to be correct about that.
00:17:30.000 He happens to be correct about that.
00:17:31.000 Donald Trump is the single most pro-Israel president of my lifetime, bar none.
00:17:35.000 There is no comparison.
00:17:37.000 Joe Biden has been shockingly derelict in his inability to explain a basic moral difference between a democratic state that is an American ally, and that actually is in America's interests, and a terrorist group that our American ally is attempting to destroy right now.
00:17:59.000 Here is Trump yesterday.
00:18:00.000 According to the White House, they claim this is anti-Semitic.
00:18:02.000 You know what's anti-Semitic?
00:18:03.000 The fact that your party literally will not dissociate from Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.
00:18:08.000 You know what's anti-Semitic?
00:18:09.000 Your party's bizarre suggestion that there's a moral equivalent between Israel and Hamas terrorists.
00:18:14.000 It's absurd.
00:18:16.000 And you know what's truly endangering for Jews?
00:18:19.000 You're trying to cut off arms shipments to a Democratic ally of the United States in the middle of a war against a genocidal terror group.
00:18:25.000 Anyway, here's Donald Trump yesterday.
00:18:28.000 When you see those Palestinian marches, even I, I'm amazed at how many people are in those marches.
00:18:35.000 And guys like Schumer see that, And to him it's votes.
00:18:39.000 I think it's votes more than anything else.
00:18:41.000 Because he was always pro-Israel.
00:18:42.000 He's very anti-Israel now.
00:18:44.000 Any Jewish person that votes for Democrats hates their religion, they hate everything about Israel, and they should be ashamed of themselves.
00:18:55.000 Okay, so, people are saying, well, it's anti-Semitic to say that Jews who are voting for Democrats hate their religion.
00:19:00.000 Well, here is the reality.
00:19:02.000 That's very strong language.
00:19:04.000 I would suggest that many Jews who are voting for Democrats literally don't know about what Joe Biden is doing right now.
00:19:10.000 But if you are a Jew in the United States and you are willing to overlook what the Democratic Party is doing right now and the direction the Democratic Party is moving on Israel, I would suggest at the very best you are rather disconnected from your religion because it turns out that the religious dream of a Jewish state in Israel, which Jews who are religious pray for multiple times a day, There's a reason that Jews pray toward the East and pray toward Jerusalem.
00:19:37.000 There's a reason for that.
00:19:40.000 That if, in fact, you're voting for a party that disdains Israel and that overlooks antisemitism within its own party because, for example, you just like abortion policy coming from the Biden administration, I can't say that I have a lot of respect for your religious convictions, at least Judaically.
00:19:56.000 Now, again, you can say that your version of Judaism is not a more traditional form of Judaism.
00:20:02.000 You can make a case.
00:20:04.000 That your religious practice has nothing to do with Israel?
00:20:07.000 You can do that, but it has nothing to do with Judaism.
00:20:09.000 Let's just be clear about that.
00:20:10.000 Judaism is a set of precepts and principles, and yes, they have to do with Israel.
00:20:13.000 Pretending that they do not is absurd.
00:20:16.000 Of course Jews have something to do with Israel.
00:20:18.000 Of course they do.
00:20:20.000 So calling that anti-Semitic is really a stretch.
00:20:24.000 Democrats trying to swivel Donald Trump, who is a full-scale supporter of Israel, into an anti-Semite for being too pro-Israel, which is effectively what they are doing right there, is an absurdity.
00:20:34.000 We'll get to more on this in just one second.
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00:21:35.000 The White House said President Biden has put his foot down when it comes to violent, unhinged, anti-Semitic rhetoric.
00:21:39.000 Has he, though?
00:21:40.000 Has he really?
00:21:40.000 Because it seems to me every time there's been violent, unhinged, anti-Semitic rhetoric, he's said nothing when it comes from his own Congress.
00:21:46.000 It seems to me that Joe Biden, every time he talks about anti-Semitism, finds the desperate need to pair it with Islamophobia, phantom Islamophobia, that Joe Biden literally invited the Council on American Islamic Relations, which is, in fact, highly connected with Islamist radicals, To help join him in defining antisemitism.
00:22:03.000 The White House did this.
00:22:05.000 So yeah, no, I don't think that's true.
00:22:07.000 The White House said, as anti-Semitic crimes and acts of hate have increased around the world,
00:22:10.000 among them the deadliest attack committed against the Jewish people since the Holocaust,
00:22:13.000 leaders have an obligation to call hate what it is and bring Americans together against it.
00:22:17.000 There is no justification for spreading toxic, false stereotypes that threaten fellow citizens.
00:22:21.000 Like President Biden said, he was moved to run for president when he saw neo-Nazis chanting
00:22:26.000 the same anti-Semitic bile that was heard in Germany in the 1930s in Charlottesville.
00:22:29.000 Weird he has had nothing to say about hundreds of thousands of pro-Hamas American citizens chanting anti-Semitic bio that's not just reminiscent of the 1930s, it is identical to the stuff being chanted during the 1930s.
00:22:41.000 That dude is trying to win those votes in Michigan.
00:22:43.000 He's trying to win the votes of people who love Hamas in Dearborn, Michigan.
00:22:46.000 That is what Joe Biden is trying to do right now.
00:22:47.000 And he has the gall to suggest that Donald Trump is an anti-Semite?
00:22:51.000 Truly?
00:22:52.000 That's the direction that he is going?
00:22:54.000 He's literally doing this, by the way, at the same time that he is putting significant pressure on Benjamin Netanyahu not to finish off genocidal anti-Semites in Rafah.
00:23:03.000 Israel has successfully pushed Hamas away from Gaza City, away from Khan Yunis, and the final city, they have apparently four battalions of Hamas terrorists in there, is Rafah.
00:23:12.000 The only way that those terrorists will be eliminated is with a military incursion into Rafah.
00:23:16.000 Everyone knows this.
00:23:18.000 And yet the Biden administration is trying to pressure Israel into not doing that.
00:23:20.000 Why?
00:23:21.000 Because Joe Biden desperately wants to win those votes in Dearborn, Michigan.
00:23:25.000 He thinks he's going to lose the election if he loses Michigan, and for some odd reason, he thinks he's losing Michigan because not enough Arab Americans are going to vote for him.
00:23:33.000 Which, by the way, is not the reason he's losing Michigan.
00:23:34.000 The reason he's losing Michigan is because blue-collar workers don't like Joe Biden.
00:23:38.000 Because Joe Biden is the representative of an upper-crust, white, liberal establishment.
00:23:44.000 And it turns out blue-collar workers don't like that very much.
00:23:48.000 According to the Times of Israel, U.S.
00:23:49.000 National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan acknowledged that the effort to secure an extended truce between Israel and Hamas through a hostage deal has been more elusive than we would have hoped, but insists the Biden administration will keep pressing because we regard this as an urgent priority.
00:24:00.000 Meanwhile, Joe Biden called Netanyahu yesterday, and Biden offered his strongest warnings against an Israeli assault in Rafah.
00:24:09.000 The prospect of fighting in Rafah, Gaza's southernmost city, was the main focus of the conversation.
00:24:13.000 National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan briefed reporters at the White House after the call.
00:24:18.000 He actually requested that Israel pre-clear its military operations with the United States, basically, before going into Rafah.
00:24:26.000 Sullivan said, That Biden said, quote, I want you to understand, Mr. Prime Minister, exactly where I am on.
00:24:32.000 I am on this.
00:24:33.000 I am for the defeat of Hamas.
00:24:34.000 I believe they are an evil terrorist group with not just Israeli but American blood on their hands.
00:24:38.000 At the same time, I believe that to get to that, you need a strategy that works.
00:24:42.000 That strategy should not involve a major military operation, puts thousands and thousands of innocent civilian lives at risk in Rafa.
00:24:47.000 There is a better way.
00:24:49.000 Yes, brilliant, noted military strategist Joe Biden is going to explain to the IDF One of the single most effective fighting forces on planet Earth.
00:24:58.000 Exactly how they should do a military operation.
00:25:00.000 Joe Biden, who literally could not abandon Afghanistan without getting tens of thousands of Afghan allies murdered and 13 American troops murdered.
00:25:06.000 That dude is going to have a military recommendation to the Israelis on how to finish things off in Rafah.
00:25:12.000 That senile old dotard is going to be lecturing, by the way, not just lecturing the Israelis, apparently putting enough pressure on the Israelis that he is, according to the New York Sun, threatening to withhold offensive military aid to Israel to actually do that.
00:25:27.000 According to Benny Avni, writing for the New York Sun, by Sunday, Israel must tell America it is complying with international restrictions on arms supplies, including by facilitating ample humanitarian assistance to Gaza, according to the National Security Advisor.
00:25:42.000 This is totally wild.
00:25:44.000 So Jake Sullivan was asked about the fact that this is all based on Joe Biden's sinking poll numbers, because it is.
00:25:49.000 And here he was denying that, even though it's obviously true.
00:25:53.000 When President Biden was told his handling of the war between Israel and Hamas was starting to affect his poll numbers, the quote is, he began to shout and swear.
00:26:03.000 So when he does that, is he shouting and swearing about Netanyahu or about Hamas or about his poll numbers?
00:26:11.000 This is the when did you stop beating your spouse question because I don't think he ever did that.
00:26:16.000 And so, well, you use that as the premise of your question, which is when he does that, I've never seen him do that, shout or swear in response to that.
00:26:25.000 So from my perspective, that particular report is not correct.
00:26:31.000 Okay, so he says he's never shouted and he's never sworn.
00:26:33.000 But, obviously, that's not true.
00:26:35.000 We'll get to more on this in just one second.
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00:27:40.000 Then, Sullivan outlined the reasons that the United States opposes an offensive in Rafa.
00:27:45.000 This is wild stuff here.
00:27:48.000 The President explained why he is so deeply concerned about the prospect of Israel conducting major military operations in Rafah of the kind it conducted in Gaza City and Khan Yunis.
00:27:59.000 First, more than a million people have taken refuge in Rafah.
00:28:04.000 They went from Gaza City to Khan Yunus and then to Rafa.
00:28:08.000 They have nowhere else to go.
00:28:10.000 Gaza's other major cities have largely been destroyed.
00:28:13.000 And Israel has not presented us or the world with a plan for how or where they would safely move those civilians,
00:28:20.000 let alone feed and house them and ensure access to basic things like sanitation.
00:28:25.000 Second, Rafa is a primary entry point for humanitarian assistance into Gaza from Egypt and from
00:28:31.000 Israel.
00:28:32.000 An invasion would shut that down, or at least put it at grave risk, right at the moment when it is most sorely needed.
00:28:40.000 Third, Rafa is on the border with Egypt, which has voiced its deep alarm over a major military operation there, and has even raised questions about its future relationship with Israel as a result of any impending military operation.
00:28:55.000 Okay, this is asinine.
00:28:56.000 All three reasons that he listed are asinine.
00:28:58.000 First, he says there are lots of people in Rafah, and those people are going to have to be moved, and they haven't presented us a plan with how to move those people.
00:29:04.000 Presumably, they will move those people, and in fact, they have in fact discussed with the Americans plans to move those people to safe enclaves, because they've been doing that the whole time.
00:29:12.000 Israel doesn't want to be wading through civilians in order to get to the military members of Hamas.
00:29:17.000 They don't want to be doing that.
00:29:19.000 That's not something Israel has a military interest in doing.
00:29:22.000 They would like to clear the area.
00:29:24.000 So they say first, well, we're gonna need to move the civilians.
00:29:26.000 Then, they make the counter-argument.
00:29:27.000 You can't move the civilians.
00:29:28.000 Because if you move the civilians, then, RAFA's an entry point for humanitarian assistance.
00:29:33.000 Well, yes, RAFA's a humanitarian point for assistance, because that's literally where the people are.
00:29:38.000 So when you move the people, then you're gonna move the humanitarian assistance.
00:29:42.000 It's not all that difficult to understand.
00:29:45.000 By the way, a lot of that humanitarian assistance, Israel is pouring humanitarian assistance into the Gaza Strip.
00:29:50.000 And a ton of it is being stolen by Israel's enemies, Hamas, which are still very much present.
00:29:54.000 Finally, he says, Rafa's on the border with Egypt and Egypt is really upset.
00:29:57.000 Weird how the United States won't put any pressure on Egypt whatsoever to provide humanitarian aid, escape routes for people.
00:30:03.000 You know what Egypt has done?
00:30:05.000 Egypt has done nothing.
00:30:07.000 Egypt has put up a giant wall, a three barrier wall on the border of Gaza.
00:30:12.000 And they've said, we're not even gonna talk about temporary camps for refugees so that they can move into, say, the Sinai Desert temporarily and then move back into Gaza when all of this is over.
00:30:23.000 Egypt's like, nope, we're not taking anyone.
00:30:25.000 We're not going to allow any of that.
00:30:26.000 Once again, it is truly incredible how the burden is on Israel to take care of Gaza's civilian population that elected Hamas, is sympathetic to Hamas, the Arab nations surrounding, Which are putting pressure on Israel.
00:30:40.000 So it's Israel's job to take care of everyone there and also to destroy Hamas.
00:30:45.000 I've never heard of a war like this, truly.
00:30:48.000 World War II was not fought like this.
00:30:49.000 If you're talking about a civilian population that sides with Israel, that would be one thing.
00:30:55.000 That would look more like Korea or like Vietnam.
00:30:57.000 If you're talking about a civilian population that is largely integrated with the terror group and that supports the terror group, What are they even talking about?
00:31:10.000 Normally you'd use counterinsurgency tactics in a situation like this.
00:31:13.000 You'd create safe enclaves.
00:31:15.000 You'd clear those enclaves and you would hold those enclaves moving forward.
00:31:18.000 And that will be Israel's plan moving forward.
00:31:19.000 But the first thing you have to do is destroy the offensive military capacity of Hamas.
00:31:23.000 And this administration is attempting to full stop prevent that.
00:31:27.000 Which is crazy.
00:31:28.000 So basically they're saying we would love to see you destroy Hamas.
00:31:30.000 We're just going to prevent you from doing so.
00:31:33.000 Meanwhile, Sullivan acknowledges that Israel, which is supposedly... Netanyahu is supposedly the bad guy, right?
00:31:38.000 Netanyahu is so terrible, doesn't represent the Israeli people.
00:31:41.000 By the way, on this, he 100% represents the Israeli people.
00:31:44.000 The vast majority of Israelis want an operation in Rafah to end this.
00:31:48.000 Again, this is the equivalent of the Allies getting outside Berlin in 1945, being like, you know what?
00:31:53.000 There are a lot of civilians in Berlin.
00:31:55.000 We're probably just gonna have to leave Hitler in place in the bunker.
00:31:57.000 That's really the only choice at this point.
00:31:59.000 Netanyahu, in an attempt to make nice with the Americans, is actually sending a delegation to DC to listen to the old man badger him about military plans, which is absurd.
00:32:10.000 On the call today, President Biden asked the Prime Minister to send a senior interagency team composed of military, intelligence, and humanitarian officials to Washington in the coming days to hear U.S.
00:32:22.000 concerns about Israel's current Rafah planning and to lay out an alternative approach that would target key Hamas elements in Rafah and secure the Egypt-Gaza border without a major ground invasion.
00:32:36.000 Prime Minister agreed that he would send a team.
00:32:38.000 Obviously, he has his own point of view on a RAFA operation, but he agreed that he would send a team to Washington to have this discussion and have this engagement.
00:32:46.000 And we look forward to those discussions.
00:32:51.000 OK, so here is the problem.
00:32:53.000 I'm sure that if you had a magic wand and you could prevent a credible military operation that gets rid of Hamas, I'm sure Israel is willing to hear it.
00:33:00.000 Israeli soldiers are dying literally every day at this point.
00:33:02.000 Israel doesn't want to lose soldiers.
00:33:04.000 If you have a magic weapon option, Joe Biden, go for it.
00:33:07.000 But I don't think that's what this is about.
00:33:08.000 And no one thinks that's what this is about.
00:33:09.000 By the way, you are simultaneously putting pressure on Netanyahu and you're calling for his ouster.
00:33:15.000 The Biden administration literally mobilized Chuck Schumer, it is clear they did this, in order to make that asinine speech on the floor of the Senate in which he called for Netanyahu to be ousted from office and called him the obstacle to peace in the region after Hamas slaughtered over a thousand Israeli citizens and took 250 hostages.
00:33:30.000 Then Sullivan had the gall to yell at Netanyahu because Netanyahu went on the Sunday shows and he defended himself.
00:33:36.000 And Sullivan's like, well, now you're intervening in American politics.
00:33:39.000 Really?
00:33:39.000 Did Netanyahu say that Joe Biden should be ousted from office?
00:33:43.000 I missed that part.
00:33:43.000 Or did he merely say that it is inappropriate for an American administration to call for the ouster of a Democratic ally in unprecedented fashion?
00:33:52.000 Here's Jake Sullivan being just an idiot.
00:33:55.000 Yesterday he talked about having the support of the majority of the Israeli people for
00:33:59.000 his policies, including going into Rafa.
00:34:01.000 Is there more that the administration, the U.S.
00:34:04.000 administration, needs to do to speak to the Israeli people directly so that they don't support
00:34:09.000 this idea of going into Rafa now?
00:34:12.000 Well, first of all, inherent in the question is a kind of an interesting irony, which is
00:34:17.000 you have the prime minister speaking on American television about his concerns about Americans
00:34:21.000 interfering in Israeli politics.
00:34:22.000 And then your question is, should Americans be speaking into Israeli politics?
00:34:26.000 Which, in fact, we don't do nearly as much as they speak into ours.
00:34:31.000 So this administration is going to lecture Donald Trump about anti-Semitism?
00:34:35.000 This administration, truly, give me a flipping break to just absolute insanity.
00:34:41.000 And just one second, we're going to get into a Supreme Court case that could very well be impactful in the 2024 election.
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00:35:43.000 Meanwhile, of course, Joe Biden is ailing.
00:35:45.000 He just says dumb things every single day.
00:35:47.000 My favorite is when he says things that he thinks are kind of feminist slogans.
00:35:51.000 They make no sense.
00:35:52.000 So here he was yesterday explaining that there is literally nothing a man can do that a woman can't, except for pee standing up.
00:36:01.000 That kid in the cell is not a damn thing a man can do that a woman can't do.
00:36:04.000 Just take the obvious.
00:36:07.000 Pick up really heavy objects.
00:36:08.000 Open jars of pickles.
00:36:11.000 I could name a few.
00:36:13.000 They throw a baseball really, really fast.
00:36:17.000 There are a lot of them, actually.
00:36:18.000 And there's a lot of things that women can do that men can't do, like have babies.
00:36:23.000 Which is a superpower, but, you know, again, Joe Biden is an idiot, and I guess this is appealing to somebody.
00:36:28.000 Well, how exactly does Joe Biden plan to win the election?
00:36:31.000 Well, the way that he won the election in 2020 was at least partially affected by the fact that you had the FBI pushing social media companies not to, say, allow the publication and publicization of Hunter Biden's laptop material.
00:36:44.000 This is all uncovered in these so-called Twitter files by reporters ranging from Matt Taibbi to Michael Schellenberger to Barry Weiss.
00:36:51.000 And what those files showed is the FBI and the federal government pushing social media companies to shut down things for quote-unquote disinformation.
00:36:59.000 And a federal appellate court ruled that this was, in fact, a violation of the First Amendment.
00:37:03.000 It's a violation of the First Amendment because the federal government should not be telling people to take down information if that information is not quote-unquote illegal.
00:37:12.000 And so you can make a case that, for example, it would be illegal for Russia to engage in misinformation.
00:37:19.000 Well, the Supreme Court has been asked to rule on this now.
00:37:20.000 If an American says the same thing, not illegal.
00:37:23.000 That falls under the auspices of free speech.
00:37:26.000 Well, the Supreme Court has been asked to rule on this now.
00:37:29.000 According to the New York Times, a majority of the Supreme Court seemed wary on Monday
00:37:33.000 of a bid by two Republican-led states to limit the Biden administration's interactions
00:37:36.000 with social media companies, with several justices questioning the state's legal
00:37:39.000 theories and factual assertions.
00:37:41.000 Most of the justices appeared convinced that government officials should be able to try
00:37:44.000 to persuade private companies, whether news organizations or tech platforms,
00:37:47.000 not to publish information so long as the requests are not backed by coercive threats.
00:37:51.000 This seems very risky to me.
00:37:53.000 The reason it seems risky to me is because when the FBI tells you to take something down, are you thinking to yourself, man, I'm just going to take this as kind of like a normal run-of-the-mill request to take something down, the same as if my friend asked me to take something down.
00:38:04.000 Or are you thinking, hey, that's the FBI.
00:38:06.000 That's a lot of people with guns and federal power and warrants and all that sort of stuff.
00:38:10.000 Maybe I should do what they say.
00:38:12.000 Again, the idea of the government requesting something from you, it's typically not a request.
00:38:16.000 They're requesting something from you in the same way that Capone was requesting something from you when he asked if you'd like to pay a protection fee.
00:38:23.000 Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Elena Kagan, both former White House lawyers, said interactions between administration officials and news outlets provided a valuable analogy.
00:38:30.000 Efforts by officials to influence coverage, they said, are part of a valuable dialogue that is not prohibited by the First Amendment.
00:38:36.000 But, again, that is a different thing.
00:38:38.000 If you are saying to a news outlet, as the White House, listen, we don't like your opinion on this, we think you're wrong, maybe you don't want to publish it, that is a different thing than law enforcement agencies like the FBI doing the same thing.
00:38:53.000 Justice Sonia Sotomayor accused the states of distorting the record in the case.
00:38:58.000 The lawyer on behalf of the states in this particular case, Benjamin Aguinalda, who's Louisiana Solicitor General, Justice Sotomayor said to him, I have a problem with your brief.
00:39:09.000 You omit information that changes the context of some of your claims.
00:39:11.000 You attribute things to people who it didn't happen to.
00:39:14.000 The justices peppered Aguinaldo with hypothetical questions about national security, doxing of public officials, contests that could endanger teenagers, all suggesting there's a role for vigorous efforts by the government to combat harmful speech.
00:39:26.000 Justice Samuel Alito Who, again, is one of the better justices on the court.
00:39:30.000 If you were going to rank justices on the court in terms of being awesome, it would go Thomas and then Alito second.
00:39:35.000 Here's Alito yesterday, who is asking the lawyers for the government.
00:39:41.000 Would you treat the New York Times the way you treat social media, like telling them to literally take things down because they're a national security threat?
00:39:47.000 There are regular meetings, there is constant pestering of Facebook and some of the other platforms and they want to have regular meetings and they suggest, why don't you, they suggest rules that should be applied and why don't you tell us everything that you're going to do so we can help you and we can look it over and I thought, wow, I cannot imagine Federal officials taking that approach to the print media, our representatives over there, if you did that to them, what do you think the reaction would be?
00:40:22.000 And so I thought, you know, the only reason why this is taking place is because the federal government has got Section 230 and antitrust In its pocket, and it's, to mix my metaphors, and it's got these big clubs available to it.
00:40:39.000 And so it's treating Facebook and these other platforms like they're subordinates.
00:40:45.000 Would you do that to the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal or the Associated Press or any other big newspaper or wire service?
00:40:55.000 Okay, so that would be the relevant question, obviously.
00:40:58.000 And the answer by the government is, well, maybe, maybe, the person who represented best the government's position on this on the Supreme Court is the worst justice on the Supreme Court, Katonji Brown-Jackson.
00:41:09.000 She's the newest.
00:41:10.000 It's between her and Sonia Sotomayor for worst justice on the court.
00:41:13.000 The woman who can't define the word woman.
00:41:16.000 She had some things to say in this case as well.
00:41:18.000 She said, well, you know, we do know that the government can prohibit certain speech on the internet.
00:41:23.000 Whether or not the government can do this, this is something I took up with Mr. Fletcher, depends on the application of our First Amendment jurisprudence, and there may be circumstances in which the government could prohibit certain speech on the internet or otherwise.
00:41:42.000 Okay, she then continued by saying that the First Amendment shouldn't hamstring the government, which raises the question as to who exactly is designed to hamstring, considering it literally says, Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech.
00:41:54.000 That's literally what it's designed to do, is to hamstring the government.
00:41:57.000 Literally.
00:41:58.000 In the text.
00:41:59.000 Anyway, here is our esteemed Supreme Court Justice Khadijah Brown Jackson.
00:42:04.000 So my biggest concern is that your view Has the First Amendment hamstringing the government in significant ways in the most important time periods?
00:42:16.000 I mean, what would you have the government do?
00:42:18.000 I've heard you say a couple times that the government can post its own speech, but in my hypothetical, you know, kids, this is not safe, don't do it, is not going to get it done.
00:42:30.000 And so I guess some might say that the government actually has a duty to take steps to protect the citizens of this country.
00:42:40.000 And you seem to be suggesting that that duty cannot manifest itself in the government encouraging or even pressuring platforms to take down harmful information.
00:42:52.000 Well, yes, that is exactly what they're claiming.
00:42:55.000 Because harmful information may, in fact, be constitutionally protected speech.
00:43:00.000 That's the entire question.
00:43:01.000 We're not talking about where the government has an interest in removing illegal material.
00:43:05.000 There, obviously, the government can do whatever it wants.
00:43:07.000 We're talking about spaces in which the government... Like, in this particular case, the government literally pressured social media to take down Hunter Biden laptop-related posts on the basis of the lie that it was Russian disinformation, when it was not, without evidence.
00:43:21.000 They did the same thing with regard to COVID.
00:43:23.000 They pressured social media to take down true information because it did not jive with what the federal government was promoting at the time with regard to COVID or vaccines.
00:43:33.000 So yes, the First Amendment was designed to specifically prevent the Congress from doing exactly what it is doing here.
00:43:38.000 How this case goes down is going to have pretty significant ramifications for election 2024 because I can promise you that the federal government under Joe Biden militarized to go after big tech and convince them to take down information, damaging to Joe Biden.
00:43:51.000 That is a thing that absolutely will happen.
00:43:53.000 Speaking of censorship and the government's attempts to censor, fascinating interview between Elon Musk and Don Lemon.
00:43:59.000 So obviously there's been this big kerfuffle about Elon Musk and Don Lemon.
00:44:03.000 Don Lemon was supposed to have a show on X.
00:44:06.000 Sort of like Tucker Carlson has a show on X. I don't know what the arrangements are, compensation or anything like that, but whatever arrangement there was fell apart after this interview between Musk and Lemon.
00:44:17.000 Musk didn't like what Lemon was promoting and he basically said, you know, you can still post on X whatever you want, but I'm not going to pay you for the privilege or anything like that.
00:44:25.000 Well, this interview was kind of fascinating because Don Lemon legitimately does not seem to understand Musk's perspective on censorship and free speech.
00:44:33.000 And again, a lot of the left doesn't.
00:44:34.000 This is why they're so comfortable with the idea of the government
00:44:37.000 stepping in and forcing social media not to post certain things
00:44:39.000 or pressuring social media not to post certain things.
00:44:42.000 So here was Elon Musk versus Don Lemon on censorship on X.
00:44:46.000 These are just a handful of extremely, you look at those antisemitic and racist tropes and tweets.
00:44:52.000 And as of this morning, they're still on X.
00:44:54.000 And from your own content policy, these posts should have been deleted.
00:45:00.000 So why haven't they been deleted?
00:45:02.000 Why are they still there?
00:45:05.000 Uh, we delete things if they are illegal.
00:45:09.000 But these have been up there for a while.
00:45:10.000 Are they illegal?
00:45:11.000 They're not illegal, but they're hateful and they can lead to violence.
00:45:18.000 As I just read to you, the shooters, you know, in all of these mass shootings, attributed social media To radicalizing them.
00:45:26.000 So, Don, you love censorship, is what you're saying?
00:45:28.000 No, I don't love censorship.
00:45:29.000 Then why are you asking?
00:45:30.000 I believe in moderation, but I don't believe in... Censorship is a... Moderation is a propaganda word for censorship.
00:45:37.000 But don't you think free speech is one thing, right?
00:45:39.000 Or not, you know... Look, if something's illegal, we're gonna take it down.
00:45:43.000 If it's not illegal, then we're putting our thumb on the scale and we're being censors.
00:45:48.000 So here is the simple fact.
00:45:51.000 Musk happens to be right about censorship and moderation.
00:45:54.000 He also is taking seriously his job as the proprietor of a platform.
00:45:57.000 It's literally the reason that he bought X in the first place.
00:46:00.000 X is a platform.
00:46:01.000 This is the whole social media debate.
00:46:02.000 Platforms are not publishers.
00:46:04.000 Publishers are places like the Daily Wire.
00:46:06.000 If you are in fact A person who is wildly pro-abortion, cheers abortion, the likelihood that we're going to hire you as a host is really, really low.
00:46:16.000 And we have no obligation to do so.
00:46:18.000 That is not the same thing as saying that somebody should be banned from X or banned from YouTube or banned from any of the other platforms.
00:46:24.000 If your basic idea is that you have Section 230 protection as a platform, well then you should treat that obligation seriously.
00:46:29.000 And that's what Musk is doing right there.
00:46:30.000 And again, I hate all the posts that Don Lemon is showing right there.
00:46:35.000 The post that Don Lemon is showing on antisemitism or racism, I don't think Elon Musk likes those either, but that's not his point.
00:46:42.000 Agreeing with Elon Musk is not a precondition to being on Twitter.
00:46:45.000 And even being within Elon Musk's Overton window is not a precondition to being on X or Twitter.
00:46:52.000 But again, there is a wild disconnect in the way that people understand the world.
00:46:55.000 This is also obvious when Musk was talking with Don Lemon about the fact that, as we've reported on the show, that DEI, affirmative action programs, lower meritocratic standards, which is obviously true.
00:47:07.000 Here's the clip.
00:47:09.000 If the standards, like let's say, I think that particular thing was referring to surgeons.
00:47:15.000 Let's say a surgeon in training is asked to do a series of operations under the supervision of a senior surgeon, and they get a bunch of those operations wrong.
00:47:28.000 If that happens, and yet they are still approved to be a surgeon, the probability that someone will die, I think, at some point is high.
00:47:35.000 Okay.
00:47:36.000 I understand that.
00:47:37.000 But that's a hypothetical.
00:47:38.000 That doesn't mean it's happening.
00:47:39.000 I didn't say it's happening.
00:47:42.000 You didn't say it was happening?
00:47:43.000 I said it will.
00:47:45.000 I said if we lower standards, people will die.
00:47:51.000 But why respond to something, or put something out there, that has not happened, Because I don't want it to happen.
00:47:59.000 I think we don't want to lower standards.
00:48:02.000 I'm not sure what Don is confused about right here.
00:48:05.000 He literally posited that you should censor posts on X because it might lead to violence.
00:48:10.000 That's what he's saying.
00:48:14.000 That's a will happen, hypothetical, could happen.
00:48:17.000 That's like saying, maybe we should, you know, we don't need to pave the roads.
00:48:20.000 And you say, well, but we do because we want to prevent people from driving off the roads because, you know, when it's rainy out, non-paved roads are really bad and you could really hurt yourself.
00:48:29.000 No, no, no, but it hasn't happened yet, has it?
00:48:32.000 It hasn't happened yet, has it, is a really bad argument.
00:48:35.000 The argument that Musk is making with regard to DEI and meritocracy is very obvious, which is, if there is a high standard for doing a thing, and you have to pass those standards in order to do the thing, the people likely to pass those standards are likely to make fewer mistakes than the people who did not pass those standards.
00:48:51.000 This is true in literally every area of American life.
00:48:54.000 If there are tryouts for the basketball team, you don't just say, anybody who tries out gets in.
00:49:00.000 In fact, if you look at history, if you study history broadly, everyone was a slave.
00:49:03.000 is remotely controversial. And the disconnect between Musk and the kind of traditional left
00:49:08.000 is pretty wild, or the left as it has moved in the modern era. Here, for example, is Elon
00:49:14.000 Musk versus Don Lemon on slavery.
00:49:17.000 In fact, if you look at history, if you study history broadly, everyone was a slave. Everyone.
00:49:25.000 Well, not everyone was a slave.
00:49:27.000 No, everyone was a slave.
00:49:30.000 We are all descended from slaves.
00:49:33.000 All of us.
00:49:33.000 It's just a question of when.
00:49:36.000 Was it more recent or less recent?
00:49:37.000 That's it.
00:49:40.000 But what future do we want?
00:49:42.000 Is this something we want to make part of our constant dialogue forever?
00:49:45.000 Or do we want to say, let's just move on and treat everyone, you know, According to just who they are as an individual.
00:49:55.000 I agree with you with that.
00:49:56.000 That's the ideal.
00:49:58.000 But what the evidence shows is that that's not what's actually in practice.
00:50:02.000 I think we're doing better than anywhere else.
00:50:07.000 That is true.
00:50:08.000 Again, the evidence does show that people generally treat people as individuals.
00:50:10.000 I don't know what evidence Don Lemon is citing there.
00:50:13.000 Particularly in the United States, we do way better than other cultures have done in terms of treating people as individuals rather than as members of subgroups.
00:50:20.000 And the people who are pushing against the individual Are people who are in favor of the intersectional hierarchy?
00:50:25.000 Here's more of Musk on individualism.
00:50:28.000 But that doesn't mean anything.
00:50:29.000 That doesn't mean a lot to a whole lot of people who aren't able to take advantage of the opportunities that you are able to take advantage of simply because the color of your skin.
00:50:39.000 What advantages does my color of my skin give me?
00:50:43.000 Well, there's an ease that you have in society that many people of color don't.
00:50:49.000 You were able to come to this country voluntarily.
00:50:53.000 There are many people who were not able to come to the country voluntarily.
00:50:55.000 There are people who came here as slaves, and there is a legacy of slavery that still continues on.
00:51:00.000 There's a legacy of racism that still continues on in this country.
00:51:03.000 That's undeniable.
00:51:06.000 Well, if we keep talking about it nonstop, it will never go away.
00:51:11.000 If we keep making up the central thing, it will never go away.
00:51:16.000 Why do you believe that?
00:51:19.000 I think I'm just making a simple statement of fact.
00:51:21.000 Um, so I think, I think we want to get away from making everything a race or a gender or whatever issue and just treat people like individuals.
00:51:35.000 Again, that is so obvious.
00:51:36.000 And by the way, the data suggests that what Musk is saying there is right.
00:51:39.000 The more people talk about these issues, the worse the issues become.
00:51:41.000 All you have to do is look at the opinion polls since about 2013 in the United States.
00:51:46.000 I'm honestly incredibly confused by the claim by Don Lemon that Elon Musk has gotten forward because of the color of his skin.
00:51:53.000 I know a lot of white people and none of them are Elon Musk.
00:51:57.000 I know a lot of black people and none of them are Elon Musk.
00:51:59.000 Turns out Elon Musk is one of one.
00:52:02.000 But again, that failure to understand the perspective is one of the big gaps in American life right now.
00:52:06.000 Joining us on the line is Congressman Greg Murphy.
00:52:09.000 Dr. Murphy represents North Carolina's third congressional district.
00:52:11.000 He's the only practicing physician in Congress today.
00:52:14.000 And he has now introduced legislation, the first of his kind at the federal level, to ban race-based mandates at 158 accredited medical schools and accrediting agencies that receive federal funding.
00:52:24.000 Congressman Murphy, thanks so much for joining the show.
00:52:25.000 Really appreciate it.
00:52:27.000 Good morning.
00:52:27.000 Good morning.
00:52:28.000 Hope you're doing well, Ben.
00:52:30.000 Doing well.
00:52:31.000 So let's talk about the Educate Act that you are now introducing.
00:52:34.000 What exactly does it do?
00:52:36.000 This basically, you know, given the absolute disaster of what's going on in medical schools now, where instead of teaching medicine, they're teaching activism, basically withdraws federal funding for any of these schools that are preaching diversity statements, which are forcing kids to to sign diversity statements, forcing individuals to, just because of the color of their skin, say that they're an oppressor.
00:53:00.000 Basically, it's all the bad things of what we want from trying to improve race relations and instilling them in the curriculum in medical school of all places.
00:53:10.000 So let's talk about the kind of stuff that's happening on these campuses that is driving your legislation in the first place.
00:53:15.000 You mentioned DEI education, but we've also seen, obviously we've reported here at Daily Wire on many of the cases at medical schools across the country of actual discrimination against incoming students or applicants with regard to medical school.
00:53:28.000 So what is the kind of stuff that you're seeing that's driving the legislation?
00:53:32.000 Well, Ben, if you start at the beginning, start from the admissions process, where all of a sudden, where you look at the picture of UCLA School of Medicine, there are hardly any Any literally white men.
00:53:44.000 It's just everything that's being discriminated against.
00:53:47.000 You know, Ben, many years ago when I was at Davidson College, I won the Sandy Black Memorial Award for the highest pre-medical student.
00:53:54.000 I look back now, and if I had taken those same standards now and tried to get into medical school, my chances of being admitted, because I didn't have enough melanin in my skin, people didn't believe, don't like Catholics anymore, any of these other things, I don't check the correct boxes for them, My chances of getting in medical school are greatly reduced.
00:54:15.000 And then once you get into medical school, instead of teaching a curriculum full of the facts on how to take care of all people, we're now seeing courses in social justice.
00:54:27.000 And then for faculty, if they have to sign a diversity statement also, and I believe it's Colorado, the students have to sign a diversity statement.
00:54:35.000 Then if they don't do that, then they don't get tenure, they don't get the right committees, they don't do a lot of the things.
00:54:41.000 So in my opinion, this is the greatest mass peer pressure event since the Grand Inquisition.
00:54:47.000 So we're forcing people to do something to conform.
00:54:51.000 Very reminiscent of 1930s Germany.
00:54:56.000 So, let's talk about the actual Act and its level of support in Congress.
00:54:59.000 Do you have anybody else who's willing to sign on to the Act?
00:55:01.000 What are the prospects of moving this bill forward?
00:55:04.000 Yeah, we got about 35, I believe, cosigners so far, maybe higher than that.
00:55:09.000 And, you know, I've been in full discussion with Dr. Fox, who's the Chairman of Education and Workforce.
00:55:15.000 What most likely this will be is combined into a greater anti-DEI bill.
00:55:21.000 But you know, Ben, I've been a surgeon now for close to 35 years and taking care of people, majority of which I live in a very high minority district, both here and abroad.
00:55:32.000 I've taken care of so many people that don't look like I do and work with so many individuals, high quality individuals that don't look like I do.
00:55:41.000 And so this, this bill, this DEI thing, Is anathema to those things.
00:55:46.000 So, you know, we put all this together under one bill for all universities and all education, lower, I mean, excuse me, undergraduate education and higher education.
00:55:56.000 I think America's finally realizing how detrimental this is to our meritory, previously meritorious society.
00:56:05.000 You know, one of the things that's so amazing about all of this is that when people think about DEI or diversity standards, they think those are being applied in the liberal arts, and they think, okay, well, those are soft studies, so who really cares if it's happening there?
00:56:16.000 But this makes a real-world difference.
00:56:17.000 If you're talking about admitting people who are less qualified to medical school, and those people then go on to become doctors, and people who are more qualified to be doctors never become doctors.
00:56:26.000 Then you're actively lowering the standard of care for a bunch of patients who are out there.
00:56:31.000 Not only that, there are patients who have been for a very long time relying on the university credential as sort of a stand-in for the imprimatur of approval that goes with becoming a doctor.
00:56:42.000 And so if the idea is that all the standards are being lowered at the various universities, those standards now become more untrustworthy.
00:56:47.000 And that has nothing to do with race.
00:56:48.000 That just has to do with the fact that as soon as you substitute literally any metric, Absolutely.
00:56:55.000 And you know, Ben, medical school, some people may disagree, was always thought to be the highest, I believe, educational level.
00:57:04.000 It was always supposedly taking our brightest individuals, because we have so much knowledge to have to access to take care of individuals.
00:57:13.000 It was always thought to be completely merit.
00:57:16.000 Yes, we want it to be a diverse force.
00:57:19.000 Absolutely.
00:57:20.000 It was doing that naturally.
00:57:22.000 I believe 56% of the physicians are white.
00:57:25.000 The next highest are Hispanics, or sorry, Asians.
00:57:30.000 He's bringing a bill forward to get rid of DEI at our medical schools.
00:57:34.000 It is much appreciated.
00:57:35.000 not feel welcomed by their doctor because they don't share their same skin color or belief.
00:57:42.000 It's literally going in the opposite direction of what it should be.
00:57:46.000 Well, that is Congressman Greg Murphy.
00:57:51.000 He's bringing a bill forward to get rid of DEI at our medical schools.
00:57:55.000 It is much appreciated.
00:57:56.000 Congressman, really appreciate the time and thanks so much for doing what you're doing.
00:57:59.000 Great.
00:57:59.000 Thanks so much, Ben.
00:58:00.000 Good to talk to you.
00:58:03.000 All righty, folks.
00:58:03.000 We've reached the end of the show.
00:58:04.000 We'll be back here tomorrow with much more.
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