The Ben Shapiro Show - Being Nice Is Against The Rules | Ep. 584

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00:00:12.000 I gotta admit, I'm kind of in a mood today, and you're going to feel the benefits or the downsides of that mood in just a minute.

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00:01:46.000 So, one of the reasons that I'm in a mood today, aside from the fact that I had an allergic reaction to fish last night and spent half the night in the hospital, aside from that, the reason that I am in a mood today is because there's a guy who I thought was a very nice guy named Mark Duplass.

00:01:59.000 Mark Duplass, you probably recognize his face.

00:02:01.000 He's one of these sort of face guys from TV, or if you see him walking around on the street, you go, yeah, I recognize that guy from TV.

00:02:06.000 But he's not like a top line star where you would know his name.

00:02:08.000 He's apparently very big and sort of the indie director.

00:02:11.000 I don't agree with him on much, but he's a genuine person who wants help me for no other reason than to be nice.

00:02:16.000 He doesn't bend the truth.

00:02:17.000 His intentions are good.

00:02:33.000 Which is much appreciated.

00:02:34.000 I mean, that's a nice thing for him to say, right?

00:02:36.000 And I'll tell you what the nice thing that I did for Mark Duplass was.

00:02:39.000 The nice thing I did for Mark Duplass is he emailed me, like a lot of folks do, and he said, I'm doing a show that has to do with a narrative.

00:02:45.000 There's a narrative in there about guns and gun control and gun use.

00:02:48.000 And I wanted to get a perspective on the right side of the aisle because I don't get to hear that all that often.

00:02:52.000 And I thought, well, that's a nice thing.

00:02:53.000 I'm glad somebody from Hollywood actually cares enough.

00:02:55.000 To want to hear from people who are pro-Second Amendment folks.

00:02:58.000 People who actually care about gun rights.

00:03:00.000 So, he came into the office, and I kept it on the down low, because there's a basic rule that I have here.

00:03:06.000 We actually do have a fairly large number of active Hollywood stars who come into the office, who are pretty big fans of the show, or they enjoy what I do, and I have a rule with them, which is no one gets to take pictures, basically.

00:03:17.000 We try to keep it on the down low as much as possible, because Hollywood is a one-party Stalinist town.

00:03:21.000 Hollywood is the kind of place where if it gets out that you once took a picture with me, they will crush you.

00:03:26.000 If they find out that you are friendly with me, or we once had dinner, we went out to lunch or something, then they will come after you with a vengeance.

00:03:33.000 And I knew this.

00:03:34.000 So I knew this about Mark Duplass also.

00:03:36.000 So Mark Duplass comes in, and I spent

00:03:38.000 Probably an hour and a half, just talking over gun rights with him, trying to explain the various points of view, trying to explain where I thought the flaws were in the pro-Second Amendment position and how you counter those, where the flaws are in the pro-gun control position, how you counter those.

00:03:50.000 I tried to be sort of as honest about the argument as I possibly could.

00:03:54.000 And then we shook hands and he took off.

00:03:55.000 And I said, if you need any other contacts, you need anybody who you need to talk to on either side of the aisle, I know some folks on both sides of the aisle who have different opinions on this issue.

00:04:02.000 I'm happy to facilitate.

00:04:03.000 I'm glad that you're actually trying to take into account views that may not be your own on this issue.

00:04:08.000 Everything's fine.

00:04:08.000 Right, very nice.

00:04:09.000 And then, I didn't ask him to do anything, because I literally have not spoken with him since this day, which was what, maybe a couple of months ago, guys?

00:04:15.000 It was a couple of months ago.

00:04:17.000 And so he leaves, and then he tweets that out, right?

00:04:20.000 That very nice thing.

00:04:22.000 And that's fine.

00:04:23.000 And then he gets ratioed.

00:04:25.000 So being ratioed on Twitter is where you get more comments than retweets on the message.

00:04:28.000 More comments than likes on the message.

00:04:30.000 People on the left start bringing up tweets out of context from 10 years ago.

00:04:33.000 They start picking up columns I wrote when I was 19 that I disowned when I was 27. 0.95

00:04:37.000 And they start trying to show him that the person who he had just endorsed as a genuine fellow is actually an evil racist sexist bigot. 0.68

00:04:46.000 And remember, that original tweet didn't say he endorses my political point of view. 0.93

00:04:54.000 It doesn't say that he agrees with nearly anything that I have to say.

00:04:57.000 It just says that I'm a nice, genuine person.

00:04:59.000 That's it.

00:04:59.000 Okay, which is really, really innocuous stuff.

00:05:02.000 But no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

00:05:04.000 And so they showed up, and they started going after Mark, and Mark, predictably enough, deleted the tweet.

00:05:10.000 Which is his prerogative.

00:05:11.000 That's his prerogative.

00:05:12.000 I didn't ask him to tweet it.

00:05:13.000 I didn't ask him to delete it.

00:05:14.000 That's all fine and dandy.

00:05:16.000 And so I texted him and I just said, listen, dude, I understand you're in Hollywood.

00:05:19.000 I get why you felt you had to delete the tweet.

00:05:21.000 You know, I have no hard feelings.

00:05:23.000 Like I totally, totally get it.

00:05:25.000 It happens in Hollywood all the time.

00:05:26.000 I appreciate the original sentiment to the tweet.

00:05:28.000 Okay, this morning, Mark Duplass puts out an actual apology for his original tweet.

00:05:33.000 So after all of this happens, he actually apologizes for the original tweet.

00:05:36.000 And not only does he apologize, he now suggests that I, in fact, endorse hatred, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, or another form of intolerance.

00:05:43.000 Here's his entire response.

00:05:44.000 Quote.

00:05:45.000 So that tweet was a disaster on many levels.

00:05:47.000 A disaster.

00:05:48.000 A disaster.

00:05:49.000 I mean, like a tsunami or an earthquake.

00:05:51.000 That tweet was a disaster.

00:05:53.000 Tweeting that I was a nice guy who was genuine and I tried to be honest about the issues.

00:05:57.000 That was a disaster on many levels.

00:05:59.000 Not just one level, many levels.

00:06:00.000 Like all the way down to Dante's seventh circle of hell.

00:06:02.000 It's a disaster on every level.

00:06:04.000 He says, so that tweet was a disaster on many levels.

00:06:06.000 I want to be clear that I in no way endorse hatred, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, or any other such form of intolerance.

00:06:12.000 Right, because neither do I. Like, so?

00:06:14.000 And then he says,

00:06:29.000 But I do believe deeply in bipartisan understanding and I will continue to do my best to promote peace and decency in this world right now.

00:06:35.000 That said, I hear you.

00:06:37.000 And I want to say thank you to those who reached out with constructive criticism.

00:06:40.000 I've genuinely learned so much and wish everyone all the best.

00:06:42.000 And he signs it with his name, Mark Duplass.

00:06:45.000 OK, again, free country.

00:06:46.000 You can say what you want.

00:06:47.000 I'm not even going to go into critiquing whether I think that he did the right thing here, because I think that it's obvious from what I'm saying that I think that this is a mistake, a strategic mistake, that if you're trying to reach across the aisle and you get criticism for reaching across the aisle, maybe it's the people doing the critiquing who are the problem.

00:07:01.000 Maybe it's not you.

00:07:03.000 Maybe Mark Duplass wasn't wrong to send that tweet.

00:07:04.000 Maybe it's all the people who decided that any attempt to reach across the aisle was wrong.

00:07:07.000 And let's be clear about something.

00:07:09.000 This has almost nothing to do with me.

00:07:11.000 Mark Duplass could have tweeted this about Guy Benson.

00:07:14.000 He could have tweeted this about Charles Krauthammer.

00:07:16.000 He could have tweeted this about Ann Coulter.

00:07:17.000 He could have tweeted this about any person on the right.

00:07:19.000 Any person.

00:07:20.000 It would not matter.

00:07:21.000 He could have tweeted this about any friend.

00:07:23.000 Probably half the left he could have tweeted this about.

00:07:25.000 And there was a group of people, this SJW mob that exists on Twitter, solely to cudgel people into line.

00:07:32.000 And those are the people who help run Hollywood, by the way.

00:07:34.000 A lot of those folks are people who are living in these massive mansions off of Sunset Boulevard and decrying capitalism.

00:07:40.000 I promise, it wasn't just the Twitter.

00:07:41.000 It wasn't just the people on Twitter, the randos on Twitter who spend all of their days in their mommy's basement and are tweeting out nasty things about me to Mark Z. Blass.

00:07:49.000 I promise you what happened is that his wife probably came to him and said, I got calls from my friends.

00:07:53.000 His brother, who I guess is his business partner, probably came to him and said, listen, we're getting blowback for this.

00:07:57.000 Other directors with whom he has friends, I'm sure, came out and said, why would you possibly have done this?

00:08:02.000 My favorite along these lines, by the way, was Tom Arnold.

00:08:05.000 So Tom Arnold, to be clear, is another person we've been nice to here at this office.

00:08:08.000 Tom Arnold came in and actually did a show with Michael Mowles, and we were kind enough to let him in with his camera crew into the office.

00:08:13.000 And here's what he tweeted out.

00:08:14.000 Now, remember,

00:08:15.000 I said nothing publicly about anything Duplass said here.

00:08:18.000 Nothing.

00:08:19.000 Until he actually put out that statement, at which point I just said, you know, it's sad that this is what the discourse has come to. 0.80

00:08:26.000 Here's what Tom Arnold, a crazy person, tweeted this morning.

00:08:30.000 So that's Tom Arnold, right?

00:08:30.000 I'm sure that a lot of Mark's friends were coming after him for all of this.

00:08:33.000 Honestly, I feel bad for Mark.

00:08:34.000 I feel bad for Mark.

00:08:53.000 Because Mark, I think, was originally trying to do the right thing, and I think that Hollywood does not allow you to do the right thing.

00:08:58.000 Hollywood has a vested interest in making sure that everyone who disagrees with them, in any small, minute amount, is portrayed as the worst person on Earth.

00:09:07.000 I don't want to say this is why you got Trump, but this is one of the reasons that they got Trump.

00:09:10.000 When you lump everybody together, when you say that everybody who disagrees with you is a racist, sexist, homophobic, bitter clinger who just wants guns and God, when you say that that's what those people are and you cannot even speak to them, how dare you try to have an honest conversation with one of them? 0.77

00:09:24.000 Then this is the predictable result, which is that you can bully anybody with just a few tweets. 0.89

00:09:28.000 And unfortunately, I think this has become endemic.

00:09:31.000 It's become endemic.

00:09:32.000 You know, there's a lot of talk these days about the so-called intellectual dark web.

00:09:35.000 So for folks who don't know what the intellectual dark web is, it's this group of people who are right and left.

00:09:39.000 I believe I'm the only registered Republican on the list.

00:09:41.000 Who have conversations with each other about a wide variety of issues.

00:09:44.000 You've seen some members of the IDW appear on my Sunday special.

00:09:48.000 So this would be people like Sam Harris, with whom I disagree about everything.

00:09:51.000 And people like Eric Weinstein, who's going to be on on Sunday.

00:09:54.000 It's a bunch of... Eric is a Democrat.

00:09:56.000 He's never voted Republican.

00:09:57.000 Sam is a Democrat.

00:09:58.000 He's never voted Republican.

00:10:00.000 It's people ranging from Jordan Peterson to Dave Rubin to Christina Hoff Summers.

00:10:04.000 I believe I'm the only registered Republican on that list.

00:10:07.000 And the reason that exists, the reason this IDW exists, is because it's a bunch of people who are honestly trying to reach answers by having conversations with one another.

00:10:15.000 And we don't want to engage with the worst versions of the arguments.

00:10:18.000 We're not interested in engaging with the stupidest version the other side has to present, and we're not interested in the sort of mudslinging that goes on on Twitter. 0.95

00:10:25.000 And this has all become very, very popular. 0.98

00:10:27.000 The reason it has become popular, the reason it is important, is because the left has become so deeply intolerant of anything remotely resembling an honest conversation.

00:10:35.000 Because let me be clear about this.

00:10:36.000 If Mark had come into this office and Mark had filmed us talking for an hour and a half in cordial fashion, he would have got hit the exact same way.

00:10:44.000 He wouldn't have even had to tweet out that people should follow me on Twitter if they want an honest conservative take.

00:10:48.000 He wouldn't have even had to do that.

00:10:50.000 All that he would have had to do is set foot in the studio and treat me like a human being.

00:10:54.000 That would have been enough to earn the ire of the left.

00:10:56.000 That would have been enough.

00:10:57.000 How do I know?

00:10:58.000 Because when Bill Maher had me on his show and treated me like a human being, and by the way, it was pretty far left when he talked about Trump and Russia, he got blowback from the left for even having me on.

00:11:07.000 Because that's how this works now.

00:11:09.000 The goal here is to shut that Overton window tight, to make sure that no one who exists outside that Overton window, that area of authentic, decent discourse, that no one outside that area of accepted opinion, that area of accepted left-wing opinion, is allowed to talk or have a conversation with one another.

00:11:25.000 And if you had a problem with something I've said in the past, I have a great solution for this.

00:11:27.000 Why don't you ask me about it?

00:11:28.000 Because it turns out that if you did half a second of research, you would realize that people change their opinions over time, that people make mistakes.

00:11:35.000 You might realize that you're misconstruing something someone said, normally that's happening on purpose.

00:11:41.000 Instead, it's a lot easier to run for the safe space and pretend that everyone who disagrees with you, and that's the real problem here, is that in the end, I'm sure Mark and I disagree on all these issues, and that really is the problem.

00:11:52.000 Because if I were on the left, I don't think that Mark, number one, would have gotten the blowback, and number two, I doubt that he would have apologized, because Hollywood doesn't care.

00:12:00.000 You can be friends with Tom Arnold. 0.88

00:12:03.000 You can openly endorse Tom Arnold, who is a legit crazy person. 0.88

00:12:07.000 And that's totally fine. 0.99

00:12:08.000 But if you endorse anybody who disagrees with you, then you must be taken out to the woodshed and caned. 0.78

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00:13:39.000 OK, so here is the real question.

00:13:40.000 Is it good for the left to continually cave to this mob?

00:13:43.000 My answer is it is not good for the left.

00:13:45.000 It's probably good for the right that the left continually caves to this mob.

00:13:48.000 Here's the truth in pure partisan breakdown.

00:13:50.000 The more the left caves to its most extreme radicals and says we're not going to have a conversation across the other side of the aisle, the more they are likely to engage in an echo chamber where they move further and further and further to the left.

00:14:00.000 And that is further and further and further away from the American people.

00:14:03.000 The way that you end up in an intersectional bubble of your own making, where you're not allowed to talk about politics unless you have the right skin color, or the right background, or the right ethnicity.

00:14:10.000 The way you end up in that bubble is by excising everyone who doesn't count in your little group.

00:14:15.000 And again, this is the way that it works in Hollywood.

00:14:17.000 Hollywood morality has now been expanded out across America, but it is particularly predominant in Hollywood.

00:14:23.000 You know, my business partner, Jeremy Boring, he was the executive director of the least secret secret organization in the history of man.

00:14:30.000 It was on the front page of the New York Times.

00:14:31.000 That organization was called Friends of Abe.

00:14:33.000 Friends of Abe was a group of literally thousands, thousands upon thousands of Hollywood conservatives

00:14:38.000 Grips.

00:14:39.000 Producers.

00:14:39.000 Writers.

00:14:40.000 Actors.

00:14:41.000 And they all had to be part of a secret group because they know what kind of blowback you face for even saying that you voted for George W. Bush, or you didn't oppose the war in Iraq, or you thought about voting for Donald Trump.

00:14:41.000 Directors.

00:14:51.000 That kind of stuff gets you excised in Hollywood.

00:14:53.000 I wrote an entire book on this.

00:14:53.000 It gets you destroyed.

00:14:55.000 I wrote a book called Primetime Propaganda, all about leftist bias in Hollywood, in which a bunch of top-name Hollywood producers admitted openly to me

00:15:03.000 On tape, that they discriminated against conservatives in their work.

00:15:06.000 So I understand what Mark Duplass was going up against here.

00:15:08.000 I understand it better than anybody.

00:15:09.000 I literally wrote the book on it.

00:15:10.000 I wrote a 400-page book on it.

00:15:12.000 I get it.

00:15:13.000 All I can say is that that mentality has now extended out across America.

00:15:17.000 Unfortunately, I think it exists for some folks on the right side of the aisle as well.

00:15:20.000 I think there's a small sliver of the right that says that if you talk with somebody across the aisle, then that is to be condemned in the worst possible fashion.

00:15:27.000 But it's certainly not as extreme.

00:15:29.000 It is a mainstream thing on the left now.

00:15:31.000 You cannot find a single conservative, outside of maybe David Frum, who's no longer conservative.

00:15:31.000 It's a mainstream thing.

00:15:35.000 You can't find a single conservative the left thinks it's okay to talk to.

00:15:39.000 The only ones they'll let you talk to are Max Boot and David Frum, because Max Boot has decided you should vote Democrat, and so has David Frum.

00:15:45.000 And maybe George Will now, because George Will says you should vote Democrat.

00:15:47.000 There's not a single person in America who says vote Republican that the left would not have attacked with equal vigor.

00:15:53.000 Over an actor saying that you maybe ought to follow my stuff.

00:15:57.000 It really is amazing.

00:15:58.000 And the lack of knowledge is pretty amazing, too.

00:15:59.000 James Gunn, who's the director of Guardians of the Galaxy and Guardians of the Galaxy 2, got into the act.

00:16:03.000 He said that it was wrong that Duplass had been attacked.

00:16:06.000 And then he said, but I would never tell anyone to follow Ben Shapiro.

00:16:09.000 I wouldn't tell his own mother to follow him.

00:16:11.000 He's a bleephole.

00:16:13.000 You don't know anything about me, dude, but I understand you have to virtue signal for your friends so you feel better at the cocktail parties.

00:16:17.000 Okay, so this is the way the left has decided to operate.

00:16:20.000 Unfortunately, it is having some broader implications for not governmental-oriented free speech, but for the attitude of free speech that we have in the country.

00:16:27.000 So the latest example of this is Mark Zuckerberg.

00:16:30.000 is now under serious fire because he has defended the rights of Facebook users to publish Holocaust denial posts.

00:16:34.000 He said he didn't think that they're intentionally getting it wrong.

00:16:36.000 This is according to The Guardian, which means it's a biased source to the left.

00:16:39.000 In an interview with Recode, published on Wednesday, the CEO also explained Facebook's decision to allow the far-right conspiracy theory website InfoWars to continue using the platform, saying the social network would, quote, try to reduce the distribution of that content, but would not censor the page.

00:16:53.000 Zuckerberg's comments came the same day Facebook announced a new policy pledging to remove misinformation used to incite physical harm.

00:17:00.000 And people jumped all over Zuckerberg for this.

00:17:01.000 Now, am I an InfoWars fan?

00:17:04.000 If you didn't get from my myriad impersonations of Alex Jones, TURN ME IN THE FRONT TODAY, the answer is no.

00:17:10.000 I am not an InfoWars fan.

00:17:11.000 And Alex Jones is not my fan.

00:17:13.000 Last time he talked about me on his show, I believe, he said that Satan should get behind him, and that I was actually an atheist sent to convert to Christians.

00:17:19.000 Congratulations, guys.

00:17:20.000 You've been suckered.

00:17:21.000 But when all of this happened,

00:17:23.000 Here's my view.

00:17:24.000 Facebook is a platform.

00:17:25.000 Facebook is not actually a publisher.

00:17:27.000 And that means that it's not Facebook's job to prevent any sort of speech except for speech that is open incitement to violence.

00:17:33.000 But the left believes that anything bad ought to be shut down.

00:17:37.000 Now, they actually believe that when it comes to publishers like Facebook, they should be shut down by the government.

00:17:42.000 The government should actually intervene and violate free speech laws and shut down hate speech, right?

00:17:46.000 This is what the left believes.

00:17:48.000 But even in normal everyday conversation, the idea is

00:17:51.000 That stuff that's not nearly as extreme as Infowars, or nearly as extreme as Holocaust denial, that stuff should not be allowed into the public debate.

00:17:58.000 Here's the thing.

00:17:58.000 I think there are three categories.

00:17:59.000 There's speech that is allowed, which I think is nearly everything.

00:18:02.000 There's speech that is good, which I think is not very much.

00:18:04.000 And then there's speech that is reasonable to debate with.

00:18:07.000 And that's a broader group, right?

00:18:08.000 So you have the smallest circle, which is the speech I agree with and like.

00:18:10.000 And then there's the broader circle, which is speech that I don't agree with, don't necessarily like it all that much, but I think is worthy of engagement.

00:18:17.000 And then there's this broad, broad, broad circle, which is speech that should be allowed, some of which I think is just vile and disgusting.

00:18:22.000 Okay, for the left, what the left has done is they have now collapsed a couple of these circles into themselves.

00:18:27.000 So that first circle, which is stuff that I like and that I agree with, that circle has become the second circle, stuff that I'm willing to engage with.

00:18:34.000 Right?

00:18:35.000 The only stuff they're willing to engage with is stuff they agree with. 0.61

00:18:37.000 If you disagree with somebody, you're not allowed to have a conversation about it, because that just shows that they're wrong, and secretly, secretly, they're racist, sexist, bigot, homophobes, and we have the proof, because we have old tweets ten years ago taken out of context deliberately.

00:18:49.000 We have the proof.

00:18:50.000 This is what the left is attempting to do right now, and it creates this sense of frustration on the right.

00:18:55.000 It creates a sense like, well, if anybody is willing to shatter this entire matrix that has been created by the left with regard to speech, go!

00:19:01.000 Do it!

00:19:02.000 Trump's popularity is very much tied to this.

00:19:04.000 Trump's popularity is tied to the idea that the dude takes a hammer to the politically correct matrix.

00:19:08.000 Now, I've said many times, I don't always like how he does it.

00:19:11.000 I think that President Trump says things that are not just politically incorrect, but that are flat out wrong.

00:19:15.000 I think that happens, but the drive on the right to listen to President Trump when he says outrageous things is driven by the fact that the left has ruled everything into the outrageous category.

00:19:26.000 Every single thing is now in the outrageous category.

00:19:28.000 So, I am President Trump, is Charles Krauthammer, is George Will.

00:19:31.000 They're all the same, according to the left.

00:19:34.000 All these people are the same.

00:19:34.000 Now, if you have any brains, or you take half a moment of self-reflection, you realize there's a pretty wide diversity of viewpoints between all of the people that I just mentioned.

00:19:42.000 But if you're on the left, then all these people must be cast into the outer darkness.

00:19:45.000 The left has basically become the little boy in the Twilight Zone episode who wishes people into the corn.

00:19:51.000 And everybody who wants to have a reasonable conversation, they're just sitting in the room with the little boy, hoping that he doesn't wish them into the corn, too.

00:19:58.000 Right?

00:19:58.000 Because if they get wished into the corn, they have to hang out with all those deplorables.

00:20:01.000 So, eventually, something's gonna happen, right?

00:20:04.000 And what's happened here is that the left, being this little boy who wishes people into the cornfield,

00:20:09.000 You know, if you offend him too much, he wishes people into the cornfield.

00:20:11.000 The left, being that little boy, eventually that little boy will be the only one left in the town.

00:20:16.000 And that little boy can't take care of himself.

00:20:19.000 That little boy is not capable of feeding himself, or governing, or having a conversation.

00:20:23.000 That little boy is capable of nothing. 1.00

00:20:25.000 The tyrannical nature of the left with regard to having decent conversation is utterly asinine. 0.90

00:20:30.000 I'm willing to converse with pretty much everyone outside of, you know, open Holocaust deniers, and even those people I don't think ought to be banned. 0.59

00:20:37.000 I don't think there should be laws against them.

00:20:38.000 I just am not willing to listen to that point of view because I think it's so obviously a-factual.

00:20:43.000 But there are plenty of people on the left I talk to on a frequent basis.

00:20:46.000 And you know what polls show?

00:20:47.000 Polls show that conservatives talk to people on the left far more than leftists talk to conservatives.

00:20:51.000 Far, far more. 0.77

00:20:52.000 Because it turns out that conservatives are willing to actually engage in argument and discussion, and people on the left believe that they are so morally righteous because politics is their religion, that all the blasphemers must be burned at the stake. 0.80

00:21:01.000 And anyone who harbors blasphemers, like Mark Duplass, those people must also be burned at the stake as well.

00:21:07.000 Just really, really delightful folks.

00:21:09.000 Okay, so in just a second, I want to get to President Trump, who continues to get himself in hot water over Vladimir Putin and Russia.

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00:22:30.000 OK, so meanwhile, more hubbub breaking out over President Trump and his meeting with Vladimir Putin.

00:22:36.000 President Trump tweeted this morning that he thinks that there should be a second meeting with Vladimir Putin, which made his entire national security team shudder to their core.

00:22:43.000 The polls show that Republicans are pretty much OK with Trump's meeting with Putin, which is not

00:22:47.000 A real surprise, because Republicans take every poll question on President Trump as a referendum on Trump as a whole.

00:22:53.000 So if you ask Republicans, President Trump took a dump on the front lawn of the White House, approve or disapprove?

00:22:59.000 Most Republicans see that as the media attempting to get Trump, and they will say approve.

00:23:04.000 Really, like 6 in 10 Republicans, 7 in 10 Republicans, they always see poll questions as an attempt to paint Trump in a bad light and say they'll defend him no matter what.

00:23:11.000 And that's not unique to Republicans.

00:23:12.000 This happens to Democrats too.

00:23:14.000 Jimmy Kimmel does this routine where he will actually go out and ask people about particular policies that were Trump policies that are not Obama policies, but he'll say that they were Obama policies and Democrats will suddenly embrace the policy.

00:23:25.000 So this is just something people do.

00:23:27.000 As a general rule, people tend to fall toward confirmation bias, and they tend to fall toward this kind of tribal siding with particular political figures.

00:23:34.000 But suffice it to say, Trump's move on Monday with Russia was not popular across the country.

00:23:39.000 60% of Americans did not like his press conference with Vladimir Putin.

00:23:43.000 And now there's a new report out from the New York Times

00:23:45.000 That is not particularly good for the President of the United States because Trump has basically been suggesting for a while that he doesn't believe his intelligence community when it comes to their assessment, all 17 intelligence agencies, that the Russians were trying to monkey with our election through information breaches and hacks and release of that information.

00:24:02.000 Trump, apparently according to the New York Times, was told two weeks before his inauguration that there was classified intelligence, highly classified intelligence, indicating that Putin had personally ordered complex cyber attacks to sway the 2016 American election.

00:24:14.000 The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top secret source close to Mr. Putin who described to the CIA how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.

00:24:25.000 Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing.

00:24:29.000 But ever since, Mr. Trump has tried to cloud the very clear findings that he received on January 6th, 2017, which his own intelligence leaders have unanimously endorsed.

00:24:37.000 So is that President Trump not believing his own intelligence?

00:24:40.000 I don't think so.

00:24:40.000 I think that's President Trump looking at the data and not liking the data, and so the data becomes false because he doesn't like it.

00:24:45.000 President Trump has an unfortunate tendency to do that.

00:24:48.000 So, for example, yesterday, he was asked at the end of a press conference that was happening in one of the cabinet rooms, he was asked whether Russia is still attempting to interfere

00:24:55.000 In our political system, and here was his answer.

00:24:58.000 Okay, so he went on to talk about all the harsh measures he's taken against Russia, and a lot of that is true. 1.00

00:25:01.000 But when he says no, when he says no, now the White House says he wasn't using no to something else.

00:25:04.000 People in the room say that's not true.

00:25:21.000 Assume for a second that he said no, that Russia was not monkeying with the, is not monkeying now with the election.

00:25:26.000 That obviously is counter what his intelligence officials are saying as in right now.

00:25:29.000 So here's FBI Director Chris Wray explaining, no, actually the Russians are sort of attempting to meddle.

00:25:34.000 The intelligence community's assessment has not changed.

00:25:37.000 My view has not changed, which is that Russia attempted to interfere with the last election and that it continues to engage in malign influence operations to this day.

00:25:51.000 Okay, and that of course is, I think, the general consensus of the intelligence community.

00:25:56.000 DNI Coats, the Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, he said three days before Trump said that Russia wasn't monkeying with us, that the lights are now blinking red when it comes to cyber security threats directly from Russia.

00:26:06.000 It was in the months prior to September 2001 when, according to then CIA Director George Tenet, the system was blinking red.

00:26:18.000 And here we are two decades, nearly two decades later,

00:26:22.000 And I'm here to say the warning lights are blinking red.

00:26:26.000 OK, so the White House tried to walk this back a little bit.

00:26:29.000 Sarah Huckabee Sanders came out. 0.58

00:26:30.000 She said Trump wasn't denying Russian interference.

00:26:32.000 That's fine.

00:26:33.000 You know, I'm glad that she said that.

00:26:35.000 President Trump himself on CBS says that he holds Putin directly responsible for the meddling.

00:26:39.000 This is the sort of language that you need consistently from the president of the United States.

00:26:41.000 This is good Trump, right?

00:26:42.000 We've seen some bad Trump.

00:26:43.000 Here's some good Trump on CBS Evening News last night.

00:26:46.000 You haven't condemned Putin specifically.

00:26:48.000 Do you hold him personally responsible?

00:26:51.000 Well, I would, because he's in charge of the country, just like I consider myself to be responsible for things that happen in this country.

00:26:57.000 So, certainly, as the leader of a country, you would have to hold him responsible, yes.

00:27:02.000 Okay, so that is exactly the right answer, and I would hope that President Trump would continue to say that over and over and over, because the reality is that Putin, according to the intelligence community, and they have better information than I do, or you do, right, is saying that the Russians were attempting to interfere in the election, not necessarily to make Trump win, per se, but to ensure that President Trump and Hillary Clinton were locked in this acrimonious debate over Russia specifically.

00:27:25.000 That's what Putin wants.

00:27:25.000 Putin wants us yelling at each other, and he's sure got it.

00:27:29.000 If President Trump, President Trump can,

00:27:31.000 I think a lot of this, again, is just an ego problem.

00:27:33.000 I think that if President Trump could just say, listen, I didn't collude with Russia.

00:27:36.000 Russia did attempt to intervene in the election.

00:27:38.000 There's no evidence that that swung the election finale, that the outcome of the election was not based on Russian interference.

00:27:44.000 But we don't want Russia screwing with us.

00:27:46.000 If he had said that,

00:27:48.000 That's exactly right.

00:27:48.000 I'm on board.

00:27:49.000 That's exactly right from all the evidence that I can see.

00:27:51.000 Instead, he continues to signal and his administration continues to signal confusion over what are fairly clear issues, right?

00:27:57.000 There are only a couple of issues here.

00:27:58.000 Did he collude?

00:27:59.000 Yes or no?

00:28:00.000 The answer, according to Trump, and I believe this, is no.

00:28:03.000 Did Russia interfere in the election?

00:28:05.000 The answer, according to all of our intelligence agencies, is yes.

00:28:08.000 One and two don't have to be the same thing, right?

00:28:09.000 You can say no to collusion and yes to interference.

00:28:11.000 Not the same thing.

00:28:12.000 And question three.

00:28:13.000 Did that interference actually swing the election to Trump?

00:28:15.000 And you can say, I don't see the evidence for that.

00:28:17.000 That's fine with me as well.

00:28:18.000 I think that Hillary Clinton lost that election.

00:28:20.000 End of story.

00:28:21.000 So, all of this is actually quite simple, but the administration seems to be struggling over it because Trump is at war with himself.

00:28:27.000 His head is saying all the things that I'm telling you right now, and his heart is saying, I don't like anything the intelligence community tells me, so I'm just going to reject all of it outright.

00:28:34.000 Well, this ends up putting the administration itself in a very odd and kind of ugly position.

00:28:39.000 So Sarah Huckabee Sanders, White House press secretary, yesterday she was specifically asked about an offer that Vladimir Putin made

00:28:45.000 to Donald Trump in Helsinki.

00:28:47.000 And that offer was, Putin had said, he said, we're happy to bring Americans like Bob Mueller over to Russia to watch us investigate all of these supposed Russian bad actors.

00:28:57.000 But in return, we want you to work on the arrest and shipment to Russia of Michael McFaul, the former US ambassador to Russia, as well as Bill Browder, a British citizen who is largely responsible for the passing of Magnitsky Act, which is essentially a set of sanctions that was put in place in 2012.

00:29:13.000 OK, now the normal answer to that is no.

00:29:16.000 We have no evidence these people broke the law.

00:29:18.000 If you want to provide evidence these people broke the law and have Interpol arrest them, you can try that.

00:29:21.000 They've tried it with Bill Browder in Spain most recently.

00:29:23.000 It failed.

00:29:24.000 He was released.

00:29:25.000 But even countenancing the idea that we are going to essentially trade

00:29:30.000 American citizens like Michael McFaul, who had the temerity to pass a sanctions bill against Russia, for, like, basically we're going to take a political prisoner, ship him to Russia, to Putin, and in exchange we are going to receive back these 12 hackers. 0.88

00:29:44.000 It's asinine, but Sarah Huckabee Sanders couldn't quite disown it yesterday.

00:29:46.000 Here's what it looked like. 0.93

00:29:48.000 The President's going to meet with his team, and we'll let you know when we have an announcement on that.

00:29:51.000 Let me just follow up for a second.

00:29:52.000 Is that a topic that came up in their conversation?

00:29:55.000 Did President Putin raise this with President Trump?

00:29:58.000 There was some conversation about it, but there wasn't a commitment made on behalf of the United States, and the President will work with his team, and we'll let you know if there's an announcement on that front.

00:30:07.000 Okay, that is the wrong answer.

00:30:08.000 The right answer is there was discussion and Trump laughed at it.

00:30:11.000 Because we're not going to start arresting American citizens and sending them to Russia just because Vladimir Putin wants to quote-unquote make an offer.

00:30:17.000 That's an absurdity.

00:30:18.000 It's an absurdity.

00:30:19.000 Now, do I think that Sarah Huckabee Sanders is actually going to be interested in shipping Bill Browder and Michael McFaul back to Russia? 1.00

00:30:26.000 No, I don't think that at all.

00:30:27.000 Do I think Trump is either?

00:30:28.000 I think what happened here is there's a disconnect at the White House, and this is a real problem with how Trump governs.

00:30:28.000 No.

00:30:32.000 That disconnect is pretty simple.

00:30:33.000 The disconnect is that President Trump usually comes to the right conclusion, but only on his own.

00:30:39.000 If he feels that people are pushing him in a particular direction, he tends to push back against them.

00:30:43.000 So the normal response by any press secretary, even not having asked the president, would have been, no, of course he wouldn't consider such a thing, knowing that they have the faith of the president and that the president would never consider such a thing.

00:30:52.000 For Sarah Huckabee Sanders and other people in the White House, I think there's a tendency to say, we'll consider it, because they figure, okay, then they'll go back, they'll ask Trump, Trump will say no, and then they'll come back the next day and they'll say, of course, we're not gonna do any of that.

00:31:03.000 I think this is actually more of a personality issue than an issues issue, but it does grant a certain amount of aid to Putin in his attempt to portray Trump as a lack of his, and that's what Putin wants more than anything.

00:31:13.000 Makes perfect sense that Ambassador McFaul, under Obama, again, not a big fan of Ambassador McFaul, but

00:31:19.000 He's not wrong here.

00:31:19.000 He says that he is flabbergasted that the White House would not defend him against Putin.

00:31:23.000 I was totally flabbergasted by was that the White House would not defend me.

00:31:28.000 I'm an American citizen.

00:31:29.000 I worked for the government for five years.

00:31:33.000 And it would have been so easy to bat it back.

00:31:36.000 OK, and that's that's right.

00:31:37.000 I mean, and they should bat it back.

00:31:39.000 Again, this is not a time for uncertainty.

00:31:41.000 This is a time for looking strong in the face of Vladimir Putin's aggression.

00:31:44.000 Otherwise, you might get more Vladimir Putin aggression.

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00:34:42.000 Okay, so, good stuff happening here.

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00:34:46.000 Let's talk a little bit about the implications that are being put forward by some of Trump's bigger defenders right now.

00:34:52.000 So, some of Trump's bigger defenders are defending his activity with regard to Russia by saying that we just need to change direction.

00:34:58.000 I don't like that argument very much because Bush thought the same thing and so did Obama.

00:35:01.000 The question is in what direction we move.

00:35:02.000 There is an ideological tendency on the part of some people on the right toward isolationism.

00:35:07.000 We talked about this a little bit with regard to Tucker Carlson yesterday.

00:35:09.000 So Tucker doubled down on it last night.

00:35:11.000 I think Tucker, again, is a very smart guy and he's a deeply talented dude for sure.

00:35:15.000 Last night he was talking and he suggested that we don't really have to defend Montenegro.

00:35:21.000 He stood by his criticism of NATO.

00:35:22.000 There's no reason for us to defend Montenegro. 0.99

00:35:24.000 Do we really want our boys dying in Montenegro? 0.81

00:35:26.000 So membership in NATO obligates the members to defend any other member that's attacked.

00:35:32.000 So let's say Montenegro, which joined last year, is attacked.

00:35:35.000 Why should my son go to Montenegro to defend it from attack?

00:35:37.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:35:39.000 I've asked the same question.

00:35:40.000 I understand that, but that's the way it was set up.

00:35:43.000 Presidents are supposed to wonder about things like that.

00:35:46.000 Serious countries ought to have debates like that.

00:35:49.000 The U.S.

00:35:49.000 has to defend Montenegro?

00:35:50.000 Really?

00:35:51.000 Why is that?

00:35:52.000 Is there a good reason?

00:35:53.000 Let's hear it.

00:35:54.000 That's the conversation we should be having.

00:35:56.000 Okay, so let's have that conversation.

00:35:58.000 Should we be defending Montenegro? 1.00

00:35:59.000 Okay, so first of all, let's be clear about what NATO is.

00:36:02.000 President Trump suggested Montenegro could get very aggressive with the Russians, and then we'd have to jump in on their aggressive side.

00:36:07.000 I said yesterday, Montenegro is not attacking Russia.

00:36:09.000 Montenegro is this big, and Russia is this big, okay? 0.82

00:36:11.000 That's not a thing that's going to happen.

00:36:13.000 But also, Russia has nuclear weapons, so yeah, good luck with that.

00:36:15.000 But beyond that, the NATO Charter does not

00:36:18.000 I think?

00:36:38.000 Also, the alliances that have been formed are relatively equal.

00:36:42.000 The United States is the world hegemon.

00:36:43.000 You combine that with the other members of NATO, and no one can stand up to that sort of power.

00:36:47.000 Nobody can stand up to that sort of power, obviously.

00:36:50.000 That's the whole purpose of NATO.

00:36:51.000 The whole purpose of NATO is that we are stronger together than we would be apart.

00:36:54.000 Now, do we actually want our troops in Montenegro?

00:36:57.000 Of course!

00:36:57.000 No one wants our troops in Montenegro.

00:36:59.000 I don't want our troops in France or Germany or South Korea or anyplace else.

00:36:59.000 I don't want my troops in France.

00:37:03.000 I would prefer that everybody be home and everything be hunky-dory.

00:37:05.000 But our military exists to protect the safety and security of Western civilization and, more importantly, of the United States.

00:37:11.000 And the way that you make sure that we never have to put troops in Montenegro is you don't act weak around dictators.

00:37:17.000 This idea that you could make exactly the same argument.

00:37:19.000 You could make exactly the same argument.

00:37:20.000 Do we really want American troops to die for Czechoslovakia?

00:37:25.000 Do we really want American troops to die for the Sudetenland?

00:37:27.000 Do you really want American troops to die for, for that matter, France or Britain?

00:37:32.000 Which list of countries, I really would like to know this actually, which list of countries does Tucker Carlson think that it would be okay for American troops to fight?

00:37:39.000 Are there any?

00:37:40.000 And if so, why?

00:37:41.000 Why is France significantly better than Montenegro, for example?

00:37:44.000 Why is that deeply important?

00:37:45.000 Is French territory better? 0.85

00:37:47.000 Are the French better people? 1.00

00:37:48.000 Like, why is it that they deserve defense, as opposed to just the entire alliance that gets together and helps us out after 9-11?

00:37:53.000 Remember, after 9-11, we invoked the NATO Charter.

00:37:56.000 That is the only time the NATO Charter has ever been invoked.

00:37:59.000 The only time.

00:38:00.000 Montenegro had active duty soldiers in Afghanistan because we invoked the NATO Charter.

00:38:06.000 The whole point here,

00:38:07.000 Is that no one wants to defend Montenegro, but you're not going to have to defend Montenegro if you say you cross that line and we bust you up.

00:38:14.000 This is this is true in every this is basic Reagan foreign policy.

00:38:17.000 Peace through strength was the idea, not just that we're going to build up our military capacity, but that if you cross that line, we are going to break you.

00:38:24.000 But if you make this move, we will fight you to the ends of the earth.

00:38:29.000 Usually, the way the United States gets drawn into conflict is by not doing that.

00:38:32.000 Usually, the way the United States gets drawn into conflict is by acting isolationist up to the point where an unspoken red line is crossed, at which point we have to jump into the war.

00:38:39.000 And that's exactly what happened, for example, with World War II, where the United States, by the time of World War II, had the 19th largest military in the world, smaller than the army of the Philippines.

00:38:48.000 Okay, and we had signaled that we were going to be isolationists.

00:38:50.000 And that led our enemies to become more and more aggressive to the point where they actually attacked us, and then we had to fight a horrible, bloody war.

00:38:56.000 Same thing happened in World War I, where the United States literally pledged not to get into the war, and then was drawn gradually into the war, and lots and lots of people died.

00:39:03.000 If you don't want war, make sure that the other side knows that if you do go to war, you're going to break them.

00:39:06.000 They're going to bust them up.

00:39:07.000 They're going to knock out their teeth. 0.74

00:39:09.000 That is why we ought to defend Montenegro.

00:39:11.000 Okay, we gotta defend Montenegro so that we never have to defend Montenegro.

00:39:13.000 That is the point.

00:39:14.000 Okay, now let's talk about some more extremism by some leaders on the left.

00:39:18.000 Now, it's always funny.

00:39:19.000 When I talk about extremism on either political side, there are a lot of folks who suggest, well, you're just cherry picking.

00:39:25.000 You're just picking the worst examples of everybody.

00:39:27.000 You're taking things out of context.

00:39:28.000 You're picking all the worst.

00:39:30.000 Well, not really.

00:39:32.000 Keith Ellison is the deputy head of the DNC.

00:39:35.000 He was almost the head of Democratic National Committee.

00:39:37.000 He said yesterday that if you don't allow people to freely cross the border for any reason,

00:39:41.000 If you don't allow us to just open up our borders, this creates injustice.

00:39:45.000 This is the direction in which the left moves when they cut themselves off from the American people and any debate involving the American people.

00:39:50.000 Here's what Keith Ellison, again, Deputy Chair of the DNC, had to say.

00:39:54.000 We're good to go.

00:40:14.000 So we need a global Marshall Plan and we need to get rid of all of the various borders that we have. 0.93

00:40:21.000 So this is a mainstream position on the left now.

00:40:23.000 Keith Ellison is a mainstream actor just like Jeremy Corbyn is the mainstream position on the left in Britain.

00:40:29.000 Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez.

00:40:35.000 Got her name sort of right there.

00:40:36.000 I'm really having trouble with this one.

00:40:39.000 She is now the mainstream of the left.

00:40:40.000 They've moved far to the left.

00:40:41.000 And one of the reasons they've moved far to the left is because they're no longer having conversations that are worthwhile.

00:40:45.000 The last election cycle saw Donald Trump say a few things that I think were credible.

00:40:50.000 Right?

00:40:50.000 I think he exaggerated the case, but he said a few things that were basically true, and a lot of people on the left refused to accept them.

00:40:55.000 He said that there is a problem with regard to radical Islamic terror.

00:40:59.000 And he said that over and over and over.

00:41:00.000 Radical Islamic terror. 0.99

00:41:01.000 And then Hillary Clinton would come out and say, there is nothing wrong with Islam. 0.96

00:41:04.000 And if she just polled the American public, what you'd find is that most Americans don't think that all Muslims are terrorists.

00:41:09.000 Most Americans do think that radical Islamic terror is a problem. 0.94

00:41:13.000 But because she was so convinced that everybody on the right is a rube and a hick, she decided, I can just safely ignore those people and I can label everyone a deplorable and it'll be fine for me. 0.68

00:41:21.000 The same thing happened with regard to immigration.

00:41:23.000 Trump ran on a hardline immigration platform.

00:41:26.000 Probably the hardest line immigration platform we've ever seen.

00:41:28.000 And Trump won because of that.

00:41:30.000 Why?

00:41:30.000 Not because people actually agree with every element of that hardline immigration platform.

00:41:34.000 In fact, polls show people don't even necessarily agree with the wall, right?

00:41:37.000 But what it does show is that there is a seething problem

00:41:41.000 That is bubbling under the surface in this country with regard to immigration, where people are looking at illegal immigration and they're saying there are a lot of people coming here, and they're coming here for the benefits, and there are a lot of people who are coming here who are criminals, and there are a lot of people who are coming here who are just not being integrated into our culture.

00:41:54.000 And that doesn't mean we're anti-immigrant.

00:41:56.000 It means go to the border and cross legally.

00:41:58.000 It means we have to vet the people who come into the country. 1.00

00:42:00.000 And Trump took that to its ultimate extreme.

00:42:02.000 He basically said, illegal immigrants are disproportionately all of these things, all these bad things, which is not true.

00:42:08.000 But it is true that this was a problem that Americans were seeing and the left was simply saying, like Keith Ellison, open up all the borders.

00:42:14.000 This is the danger of an echo chamber.

00:42:16.000 So when you rule out viewpoints from the other side, particularly reasonable viewpoints from the other side, because everybody's a racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, all you end up doing is isolating yourself.

00:42:24.000 All you end up doing is destroying your own credibility with your own people.

00:42:28.000 And this has become, I think, the case of the left.

00:42:32.000 This is why the left keeps winning the culture and they keep losing the political wars.

00:42:36.000 It's really fascinating to watch.

00:42:37.000 What's happening right now in the country is if you look at Hollywood, Hollywood continues to move left, left, left, left, left, as far left as they possibly could go.

00:42:43.000 And then if you look at politics, politics keeps moving to the right.

00:42:47.000 Republicans have won the presidential election.

00:42:49.000 They won the last 1, 2, 3, 4 congressional elections.

00:42:53.000 They've been in power since 2010.

00:42:54.000 And before that, they were in power from 1994 all the way till 2006.

00:42:58.000 So they had 22 years of power.

00:43:03.000 Sorry, 12 years of power, and then they've had an uninterrupted run of eight years of power in Congress.

00:43:07.000 In the Senate, the Republicans have taken back the Senate.

00:43:10.000 They've taken 12 governor's houses since Obama took office.

00:43:12.000 They've taken 35 state legislatures, something like that.

00:43:15.000 All of that's happening because the left has so

00:43:19.000 So the culture, where you're not allowed to talk to people across the aisle, that culture has created this bubble mentality among leftist politicians, and that's why they're losing elections.

00:43:32.000 So I think it's safe to say that Hollywood and DC, which are very much interconnected on the Democratic side of the aisle, they've created this self-reinforcing radicalism that is causing the left to lose elections.

00:43:41.000 It's also destroying the country as a whole because we can't have good conversations with one another, but it is certainly causing the left to become more and more and more radical, which is a serious, serious problem for the future of the country.

00:43:50.000 Okay, so let's get to some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:43:54.000 So, things that I like today.

00:43:55.000 There's a great sports book by a guy named Carlo Rotella.

00:43:57.000 It's called Cut Time.

00:43:58.000 Carlo Rotella is an Ivy Leaguer who just got into boxing and followed it around for a while.

00:44:04.000 It's called Cut Time and Education at the Fights.

00:44:06.000 About halfway through it, it's really fun if you're into boxing, if you're into MMA, if you're into

00:44:11.000 Any sort of sports at all.

00:44:12.000 It's really great writing.

00:44:15.000 He followed around Larry Holmes, who's one of the great sort of unsung heavyweight champions of all time and talked to him.

00:44:20.000 He talked to various people who are losers in fights.

00:44:23.000 Boxing books.

00:44:24.000 I've recommended a bunch of boxing books on the show before.

00:44:26.000 I think boxing has an innate drama to it that lends itself really well to literature.

00:44:30.000 This, of course, is nonfiction, but it's worth checking out.

00:44:32.000 It was, I think, on the Sports Illustrated 2003 list of best books.

00:44:35.000 It's one of the better sports books I've read in a very long time.

00:44:38.000 Go check it out.

00:44:38.000 Cut Time and Education of the Fights by Carlo Rotella.

00:44:41.000 Okay, other things that I like.

00:44:43.000 So this was pretty hilarious.

00:44:44.000 Sacha Baron Cohen has been going around trying to punk people.

00:44:46.000 He's been going around trying to do the Ashton Kutcher.

00:44:48.000 He dresses up in these weird costumes.

00:44:50.000 He dressed up as like a Mossad agent.

00:44:51.000 Well, now he decided he was going to dress up

00:44:54.000 Watch his face!

00:44:55.000 See ya!

00:44:55.000 Watch his face!

00:44:56.000 You just f***ing got me caught! 0.98

00:44:56.000 I'm outta here! 0.98

00:44:57.000 Get the f*** outta here, Borat! 0.97

00:45:08.000 You're watching the moment employees of a Riverside gun store say they caught actor Sasha Baron Cohen coming to their shop in disguise and under false pretense. 0.99

00:45:17.000 I went to buy a gun.

00:45:19.000 Talking like that.

00:45:19.000 Like that.

00:45:20.000 And I just kept looking at the guy and I was like, you're bored.

00:45:23.000 As soon as I said that, his eyes just looked at me like, and he did a B-turn right out the door.

00:45:30.000 Well, good.

00:45:31.000 Good.

00:45:32.000 And everyone should be on their guard because there are Borats.

00:45:34.000 Borats everywhere.

00:45:35.000 So, you know, you sort of have to assume now that everything you ever say will be recorded.

00:45:39.000 That's just the way that everything works now.

00:45:40.000 But good for that gun shop owner. 0.92

00:45:42.000 The only thing that would've been even better is if he had pranked Borat, right?

00:45:44.000 Like, he'd recognize that it was Borat, and instead of tossing him out of the shop, he'd basically offered to sell him, like, a zucchini gun. 0.87

00:45:50.000 Or he'd made up different types of guns and shown how ignorant Sasha Baron Cohen is, actually, about guns.

00:45:55.000 And he actually said to him, you know, in the back, I have a grenade launcher that attaches to a pistol.

00:46:00.000 You know, would you like to buy that?

00:46:02.000 And Sasha Baron Cohen probably would have aired that, because nobody at Showtime, nobody at Showtime knows a damn thing about guns. 0.91

00:46:08.000 He should have said, do you want your chainsaw adapter for your shotgun?

00:46:12.000 It would have been really great, but that was pretty good in and of itself.

00:46:14.000 Basically telling him, you're boring, get the hell out of here.

00:46:16.000 Well done, dude.

00:46:17.000 Well done, random gun shop owner.

00:46:19.000 I appreciate it.

00:46:19.000 Okay, quick thing that I hate.

00:46:25.000 So the show today has been chock full of things I hate, but here's another thing that I hate.

00:46:28.000 So according to San Francisco, they are now registering non-citizens, including undocumented immigrants, to register to vote in the November election for the city's school board, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.

00:46:37.000 The move follows passage of a 2016 ballot measure by San Francisco voters opening school elections to non-citizens who are over the age of 18.

00:46:44.000 Hillary Ronan, who's a San Francisco supervisor, said, this is no-brainer legislation.

00:46:48.000 Why would we not want our parents invested in the education of their children?

00:46:51.000 Now, I'm fine with parents being invested in the education of their children.

00:46:53.000 I'm just not fine with parents who don't pay taxes being invested in how tax dollars get spent at the public school.

00:46:59.000 It seems to me that you ought to be in the system, and if you don't pay taxes because you don't have to under the law, that's one thing.

00:47:05.000 But why shouldn't... I mean, you could literally make this argument about any criminal in the United States.

00:47:10.000 Any criminal.

00:47:11.000 You could say somebody who was convicted of predatory child sex abuse, they should be able to vote in local elections if they have a kid.

00:47:19.000 Right now, undocumented immigration, illegal immigration, is not the same thing, obviously, as pedophilia, but the point is a general legal one, which is that if law-breaking is not a barrier to voting, then why shouldn't we have any law-breaker who has a kid able to vote in school elections?

00:47:32.000 Maybe they would say that you should.

00:47:33.000 Maybe they would say that you should.

00:47:34.000 I don't know.

00:47:34.000 This is San Francisco.

00:47:35.000 They're real weird over there, and they poop on the sidewalk, so it's quite a possibility, but that said, is this a good model?

00:47:40.000 Probably not, and what you will see, and it'll be hilarious, is a bunch of people who don't pay taxes voting for more and more tax spending, which will eventually allow

00:47:48.000 For people to move out of the school district when the school district is bankrupted by all the people who are voting for more benefits to which they do not pay in.

00:47:55.000 Okay, we'll be back here tomorrow with all the latest.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - July 19, 2018

Being Nice Is Against The Rules | Ep. 584

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