The Ben Shapiro Show - Bern Baby Bern, New Hampshire Inferno | Ep. 952

00:00:00.000 Bernie walks away with a narrow win in New Hampshire.

00:00:02.000 Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar vie for the most moderate lane.

00:00:05.000 And Joe Biden finally gives up the ghost.

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00:00:22.000 Alrighty, so last night, New Hampshire primaries, and the big story coming out is Bern, baby, Bern!

00:00:28.000 Bernie Sanders merges with a very narrow victory.

00:00:30.000 Now, the question is whether this is a big win for Bernie or whether it's kind of a disappointing showing for Bernie, and all of that depends on whether you think that he should have consolidated that left-leaning lane a little bit better.

00:00:41.000 Now, here's the reality.

00:00:42.000 Most of the Democratic Party has basically decided that Bernie can't beat Trump.

00:00:46.000 The reason I say that is because Bernie Sanders won approximately 26% of the vote last night, which means that 74% of the Democrats who voted in New Hampshire really didn't like Bernie.

00:00:55.000 Now, does that mean that he lost?

00:00:56.000 Of course not.

00:00:57.000 This is sort of like the Republicans in 2016 deciding that most of them thought Trump couldn't win.

00:01:02.000 Now, that turned out to be wrong, right?

00:01:03.000 Bernie could very well win, but suffice it to say that Bernie is the candidate in the race with the highest level of name recognition other than Joe Biden.

00:01:10.000 And Bernie Sanders is the person who has the largest organization.

00:01:13.000 And Bernie Sanders is the candidate with the most money.

00:01:15.000 And Bernie Sanders is the person with the heaviest and most loyal base.

00:01:20.000 And all he could drag out of New Hampshire last night was about 26% of the vote.

00:01:24.000 Now contrast that to New Hampshire Democratic primary circa 2016, just four years ago.

00:01:28.000 In that New Hampshire Democratic primary, Bernie Sanders walked away with 60% of the vote.

00:01:34.000 60 against Hillary Clinton, who walked away with 38% of the vote.

00:01:37.000 So he skunked her. 1.00

00:01:39.000 He beat her by 22%.

00:01:40.000 He won an outright majority of the voters in New Hampshire in 2016.

00:01:43.000 Again, 60% of the vote.

00:01:45.000 Well, last night, he showed up at 26% of the vote, which means that, presumably, 34% of the people who voted for him, well, 34% of that 60%, went to other candidates.

00:01:55.000 Which means a lot of people in the Democratic Party are very worried about Bernie Sanders as the actual nominee.

00:02:00.000 In terms of delegate count, by the way, Pete Buttigieg is still ahead of Bernie Sanders because he came away from Iowa with one more delegate than Bernie.

00:02:06.000 Both Bernie and Buttigieg end up winning about nine delegates.

00:02:09.000 Buttigieg shows strong in New Hampshire.

00:02:12.000 And right now the question is, who is going to fill the moderate lane?

00:02:15.000 Because the fact is this, if you had to sum up this campaign so far, so to understand how to sum up this campaign, I'm going to have to tell a rather gross story about my three-year-old son.

00:02:22.000 So the other night, About 2 a.m., my son wakes me up from a deep sleep shouting, Daddy!

00:02:28.000 Daddy! 0.96

00:02:29.000 I run into his room and he says, Daddy, I need to go to the bathroom.

00:02:32.000 And I take him to the bathroom where he proceeds to dump half his body weight in the toilet.

00:02:38.000 And we're sitting there and I keep saying to him, son, Are you done yet?

00:02:42.000 No, daddy.

00:02:42.000 Are you done?

00:02:43.000 No.

00:02:44.000 Are you done?

00:02:44.000 No.

00:02:45.000 And finally, about 20 minutes into this, I finally say to him, you're done, aren't you?

00:02:49.000 He said, yeah, I just don't want to go back to bed.

00:02:50.000 OK, the reason I bring this up is because this... Think of the Democratic primaries as a toilet bowl.

00:02:56.000 I know it's a stretch, but not really.

00:02:58.000 Think of the Democratic primaries as a toilet bowl.

00:03:01.000 Joe Biden has been clogging up the moderate lane.

00:03:04.000 And the floater in this situation would be Bernie Sanders.

00:03:07.000 And unless Roto-Rooter comes and makes sure that that moderate lane is cleared up, then Bernie will continue to float at the top of this waste pool until he is the nominee.

00:03:17.000 That is the way that this thing is going to go.

00:03:19.000 Because the fact is, again, that it turns out that the moderate lane is a lot more crowded Which makes sense, because the moderate lane is usually where the Democratic Party draws its candidate from, right?

00:03:27.000 Hillary was from the moderate lane, and Barack Obama was kind of from the moderate lane, and John Kerry certainly was from the more moderate lane of the Democratic Party in 2004, and Al Gore was from the moderate lane in 2000.

00:03:37.000 Obama might be the only outlier here.

00:03:40.000 And he had obviously very special circumstances that attended to him.

00:03:44.000 Bottom line is this, there are a bunch of candidates who have decided to be in that moderate lane and there's only one candidate with a significant base inside the progressive lane and that is Bernie Sanders.

00:03:53.000 So here are the actual results by vote count last night.

00:03:55.000 Bernie Sanders won about 75,400 votes, which by the way, isn't it amazing that in this country of 330 million people, Effectively speaking, about 100,000 voters, really like 125,000 voters total in Iowa and New Hampshire, basically decide who the nominees of the major parties are going to be.

00:04:11.000 Because one candidate walks away from Iowa or New Hampshire with both victories, very difficult to stop them.

00:04:16.000 Even if they walk away with one victory, it's usually somebody who won one of those states who ends up being the nominee.

00:04:21.000 Okay, Bernie Sanders won about 75,000 votes last night.

00:04:23.000 Pete Buttigieg won about 72,000 votes last night.

00:04:25.000 Amy Klobuchar won about 58,000 votes last night.

00:04:28.000 And Joe Biden, who will not drop out of this race.

00:04:31.000 I mean, if you really wanted to save the Democratic Party, Joe Biden needs to get out, and he needs to get out right now.

00:04:35.000 Joe Biden won 8.4% of the vote.

00:04:38.000 A brutal showing.

00:04:39.000 Finishing fifth in New Hampshire, a state that he had competed in, right?

00:04:42.000 Michael Bloomberg didn't compete in this state, so you can't really talk about how Bloomberg did in that state, even though President Trump tried to suggest that That somehow this is a failure last night for Michael Bloomberg, who didn't run in the state.

00:04:55.000 Bottom line is, it was a failure for Joe Biden, who won 24,000 votes in the state, less than Elizabeth Warren's also dismal showing of 27,000 votes in the state.

00:05:03.000 Elizabeth Warren, by the way, is somebody who's supposed to be highly competitive in the state. 1.00

00:05:06.000 It borders New Hampshire, just like Vermont borders New Hampshire.

00:05:09.000 Bernie walks away with it.

00:05:10.000 Elizabeth Warren completely collapses.

00:05:12.000 Just an awful showing.

00:05:13.000 She's not dropping out either.

00:05:15.000 So you have too many candidates who are sticking around.

00:05:18.000 And not enough candidates who are dropping out, which is going to lead to the most consolidated candidate, namely Bernie, being the person with the most momentum moving forward.

00:05:26.000 There also happens to be a real stubborn effect for voters when they look at the quote-unquote establishment Democratic Party.

00:05:33.000 And it's not quite the same as it was for Republicans in 2016.

00:05:35.000 Generally, Democrats are happier with their party than Republicans are with their party.

00:05:38.000 So when Trump ran against the Republican Party in 2016, he had a lot to run on.

00:05:42.000 Democrats tend to be a little happier internally with their party.

00:05:45.000 But Sanders does have the ability to run against the media.

00:05:48.000 And you're seeing that have an impact.

00:05:50.000 To take, for example, one New Hampshire woman.

00:05:52.000 She told MSNBC, the reason I'm voting for Bernie is because you guys keep telling me not to vote for Bernie.

00:05:59.000 I want to say the reason I went for Bernie is because of MSNBC.

00:06:03.000 Go on.

00:06:09.000 I think it is completely cynical to say that he's lost 50% of his vote from the last time when there were two candidates.

00:06:17.000 The stop Bernie cynicism that I heard from a number of people.

00:06:22.000 I watch MSNBC constantly so I heard that from a number of commentators and so that just it made me angry enough I said okay Bernie's got my vote.

00:06:31.000 Okay, I'm sure there are some members of the Democratic Party who feel the same way, which is that the Stop Bernie campaign from the establishment Democratic Party actually is leading them to vote, more likely, for Bernie Sanders.

00:06:42.000 We'll get to more of the election analysis from last night in New Hampshire, because there was some good news for the Democrats, and there's some bad news for the Democrats, and then there's some very bad news for the Democrats.

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00:08:01.000 Okay, so there is some good news for the Democrats, and there is some bad news for Democrats, and then there is some very bad news for Democrats.

00:08:06.000 The good news for Democrats is that the turnout last night overall for the Democrats was higher than it was in 2008.

00:08:12.000 Okay, well that is kind of keeping up with the population.

00:08:15.000 It was higher than it was in 2016.

00:08:16.000 That is good news for Democrats because one of the narratives coming out of Iowa is that people were not showing up in massive numbers in order to vote in Iowa, which kind of gave the lie to the idea that there was tremendous voter enthusiasm to get rid of President Trump.

00:08:29.000 So last night, about 288,000 voters on the Democratic side showed up to vote in New Hampshire.

00:08:34.000 That was compared to about 292,000 expected voters.

00:08:38.000 About 284,000 showed up in 2008.

00:08:40.000 In 2016, the number was something like 256,000.

00:08:43.000 So it was a slight increase, consummate with the population growth in the state of New Hampshire.

00:08:48.000 So that is good news for the Democrats in New Hampshire, is that people apparently were interested in voting.

00:08:53.000 Now, there is some very bad news for the Democrats in New Hampshire, and that is the people who showed up to vote, and this was reflected in Bernie's results.

00:09:00.000 Again, he went from 60% in 2016 all the way down to 26% in 2020.

00:09:01.000 in 2016, all the way down to 26% in 2020.

00:09:05.000 This was largely because the increase in voter turnout was among older people.

00:09:11.000 It was not among younger people.

00:09:12.000 So Bernie is counting on this vast upsurge in youth voting in order to drive him to victory in a 2020 general election.

00:09:18.000 We have not seen any evidence of that in Iowa.

00:09:20.000 We've seen no evidence of that in New Hampshire either.

00:09:22.000 In fact, according to Steve Kornacki over at MSNBC, early New Hampshire exit polls showed only 11% of New Hampshire voters were 17 to 29, which was down from 19% in 2016.

00:09:32.000 That is a significant, significant drop in the youth vote in New Hampshire.

00:09:39.000 I'm down 20% from 2016 and, as usual, people over 65 were turning out the most.

00:09:45.000 More than that, CNN's David Chalian reported that only 12% of exit voters said they were first-time voters, which was actually lower than 2016.

00:09:53.000 So everybody who voted in 2016 showed up to vote again, but very few people showed up additionally.

00:09:59.000 So all the people that Bernie is counting on, namely voters who didn't vote last time and young people, those people didn't actually show up to vote in New Hampshire, which is why Bernie, who's very popular in New Hampshire, as evidenced by, again, the fact he won six out of 10 Democratic voters in 2016, And that is why he squeaks out a very narrow victory.

00:10:16.000 And there are headlines today that Bernie underperformed, which is true.

00:10:20.000 Bernie did underperform.

00:10:21.000 Now, this is alleviated by the fact that the other big frontrunners dramatically underperformed.

00:10:26.000 But Bernie went out yesterday and he had to fire up the base and he says, this is the beginning of the end for Trump, which is a lot of wishful thinking for Bernie Sanders.

00:10:33.000 By the way, worth noting, Donald Trump ran unopposed in New Hampshire.

00:10:37.000 Normally when you are an incumbent, he didn't run unopposed, Bill Weld ran, whatever.

00:10:40.000 But when you are an incumbent president, typically not that many people show up to vote for you in a primary.

00:10:45.000 Because why do you bother?

00:10:47.000 It's like voting for the sky to be blue.

00:10:49.000 The incumbent president is going to be the person who comes out of the New Hampshire primary no matter what, because there is literally no serious opposition to President Trump inside the Republican Party.

00:10:58.000 How many people showed up to vote for Trump just because his name was on the ballot last night?

00:11:03.000 About 118,000 Republicans showed up in New Hampshire and voted Trump.

00:11:07.000 To put that by way of contrast, when Barack Obama was running for re-election in 2012 in New Hampshire, something like 55,000 Democrats showed up to vote for him.

00:11:15.000 That means that Donald Trump blew out whatever record New Hampshire had for an incumbent president running in the New Hampshire primaries.

00:11:23.000 What does that mean?

00:11:24.000 It means that the enthusiasm for Trump is extraordinarily high.

00:11:27.000 It also means that Bernie Sanders won 75,463 votes in New Hampshire last night.

00:11:30.000 75,000 votes, something that 75,463 or something in New Hampshire last night.

00:11:36.000 Donald Trump won 50,000 more votes than Bernie Sanders did.

00:11:42.000 Right.

00:11:42.000 And again, Bernie was running in a crowded field.

00:11:45.000 But the fact that that many people showed up just to vote for Donald Trump in an uncontested election demonstrates that the enthusiasm is on Trump's side.

00:11:52.000 Nonetheless, Bernie was out there at his rally talking about how this is the beginning of the end for Donald Trump.

00:11:57.000 Unbelievable.

00:12:00.000 Let me say tonight that this victory here is the beginning of the end for Donald Trump.

00:12:11.000 With victories behind us, popular vote in Iowa and the victory here tonight.

00:12:16.000 We're going to Nevada.

00:12:18.000 We're going to South Carolina.

00:12:20.000 We're going to win those states as well.

00:12:23.000 Okay, now, there's a good shot that he does win Nevada, and there's a fairly good shot that he wins South Carolina, as we'll get to in a moment.

00:12:29.000 None of these Democrats are getting out of the race, which means that you've got a 2016 problem for the Democrats.

00:12:34.000 In 2016, basically, Rubio wouldn't get out, Cruz wouldn't get out, Kasich wouldn't get out.

00:12:38.000 There was no consolidation of the anti-Trump lane.

00:12:41.000 And so Trump just kept winning 35% of the vote.

00:12:43.000 And then it started off at like 25, then 30, then 35 as the time went on.

00:12:47.000 And by the end, he was winning, you know, 50% of the vote in some of these states.

00:12:50.000 It could be exactly the same thing for Bernie.

00:12:52.000 So as I said, there's good news for Democrats.

00:12:54.000 That is the overall turnout in New Hampshire was slightly up.

00:12:56.000 There's bad news for Democrats, which is that that turnout was coming from the not Bernie Sanders camp, which is why it was a very narrow victory for Bernie Sanders.

00:13:03.000 And then there is the very bad news for Bernie Sanders, for the Democratic Party.

00:13:07.000 And that is that Bernie Sanders is likely to be the nominee.

00:13:09.000 And as we'll explore momentarily, this is very, very bad for the Democratic Party.

00:13:14.000 I mean, at least if you have to forecast this stuff, and we do, right?

00:13:17.000 I mean, that's our job here is to try and think through the ramifications of decisions that are being made today for tomorrow.

00:13:22.000 Now, we could be wrong.

00:13:23.000 Listen, the economy could collapse.

00:13:24.000 Suddenly, you could have a communist president like Bernie Sanders.

00:13:26.000 Could happen.

00:13:27.000 Could happen.

00:13:27.000 But if you're a Democrat, you woke up this morning and you should be disquieted.

00:13:32.000 Unless you are one of the 25% of voters in the Democratic Party who believe that an open out-and-out socialist Who's calling for nationalization of every major industry in his mid-30s and has never repudiated those views.

00:13:43.000 That that guy is a 78-year-old and octogenarian communist who has never done a useful thing in his entire life.

00:13:49.000 That that guy is destined to be president of the United States despite a booming capitalist economy in the United States.

00:13:55.000 Well, unless you're one of those 25%, you've got to feel a little uncomfortable today. 0.79

00:13:59.000 We'll talk about that in just one second.

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00:15:33.000 So, as I say, the good news...

00:15:34.000 Turned out up slightly in New Hampshire.

00:15:36.000 Bad news.

00:15:36.000 It's all coming from old people.

00:15:38.000 Really bad news.

00:15:39.000 Bernie Sanders appears to be the person who is cruising toward the nomination.

00:15:42.000 Democratic Representative Tim Ryan from Ohio, who early on had declared a presidential run, he said yesterday, guys, we're going to lose 48 states.

00:15:51.000 I mean, if Bernie is the nominee, we're just going to get walloped.

00:15:53.000 Which, by the way, would be an unbelievable result, right?

00:15:55.000 President Trump to go from winning a minority of the vote, of the popular vote, to winning 48 states.

00:16:01.000 I think it's an exaggeration.

00:16:02.000 Like, Massachusetts and California are never voting Trump.

00:16:05.000 Massachusetts, California, Vermont.

00:16:08.000 There are certain states that just are never going to go for Trump.

00:16:10.000 New York.

00:16:11.000 These are states that are... The days of 48 states are over.

00:16:15.000 You could easily see President Trump winning at least 40 states because there are a number of states.

00:16:19.000 New Hampshire is one of them.

00:16:20.000 He lost very narrowly to Hillary Clinton.

00:16:22.000 You could see if Bernie Sanders is the nominee, a bunch of states that were right on the cusp.

00:16:26.000 Minnesota was another one of them.

00:16:27.000 You could see those states move into Trump's lane.

00:16:29.000 Here is Tim Ryan absolutely panicking yesterday over the prospect of Bernie Sanders as the nominee.

00:16:34.000 I personally am very, very concerned about some of the folks who are running.

00:16:40.000 I think, you know, if we run under a democratic socialist banner in 50 states, I think we lose the industrial Midwest.

00:16:48.000 I think we lose 48 states.

00:16:50.000 I think we lose working class union voters who have negotiated their private health care and want to keep it.

00:16:56.000 And they don't want to be forced into a public health care system.

00:17:01.000 You lose those voters.

00:17:03.000 These worries are not idle.

00:17:04.000 So there are a bunch of people in the Bernie camp saying, no, no, no, no, this is an exaggeration of the situation.

00:17:08.000 OK, let's take a look at some of the exit polls last night.

00:17:11.000 First of all, one of the big raps on Trump is that he's going to do really poorly with women.

00:17:15.000 With women in particular, that suburban women are going to turn away from Trump. 1.00

00:17:18.000 That's true if he is running against a Democratic moderate who does not alienate women.

00:17:23.000 Let's take a look at the exit polls in New Hampshire last night.

00:17:27.000 Okay, the exit polls in New Hampshire, among males, so 57% of the vote in New Hampshire among Democrats, according to the NBC News exit poll, was female.

00:17:34.000 Okay, according to those polls, Bernie Sanders didn't come in first with women, he didn't come in second with women, he came in third with women.

00:17:43.000 Amy Klobuchar came in first with 25%, Pete Buttigieg came in second with 23%, and Bernie Sanders came in third with 22%.

00:17:51.000 Among men, Bernie Sanders came in first by a wide margin with 31%, Pete Buttigieg came in second with 20% and Amy Klobuchar came in third with 16%, which is to say that there is a nine point gap between men and women with regard to Bernie Sanders, mirroring very much the gender gap that exists for President Trump.

00:18:07.000 So if you are putting women in the position of having to choose, suburban women, in the position of having to choose between their job or their husband's job and their income, And their health plan and Bernie socialism, they're going to hold their nose, many of them, and vote for Trump.

00:18:23.000 They really are.

00:18:24.000 And then there's another New Hampshire Democratic primary exit poll analysis that came out from the Washington Post, and it showed who is winning each group.

00:18:31.000 So let's look at the groups that Bernie Sanders did really well with.

00:18:34.000 So he did well with people aged 18 to 29.

00:18:37.000 As we mentioned, those people did not show up to vote.

00:18:40.000 Their turnout in 2020 was down 20% from 2016, which is pretty unbelievable in a competitive primary.

00:18:47.000 Also, he won with people who considered themselves very liberal.

00:18:51.000 The percentage of the American population that considers itself very liberal is low.

00:18:55.000 It was going to vote Democrat anyway.

00:18:58.000 He led among people whose top issue was income inequality and among people who never attend a religious service, which is not people in the Midwest.

00:19:06.000 Generally, religious observance is much higher in the Midwest than it is on the coasts.

00:19:11.000 He won with men, but that is Trump's stronghold.

00:19:13.000 He is not going to break through with Trump and men.

00:19:15.000 He is not.

00:19:16.000 Trump just has a massive gender gap. 0.99

00:19:17.000 Trump is much more popular with men, generally, than Bernie Sanders.

00:19:22.000 He did well with union households, but as it comes out that Bernie Sanders wants to get rid of the Cadillac plans negotiated by many unions, as Tim Ryan points out right there, then a lot of unions are going to turn against him.

00:19:30.000 As we'll see, they're already doing this in Nevada.

00:19:33.000 And he did well with people whose income was less than $50,000, which sounds great, except for the fact that that also happens to be a voter group that tends to turn out less than its general percentage of the population.

00:19:42.000 So in other words, Bernie did really well among the groups that are a shrinking share of the American electorate.

00:19:48.000 Right, he did really well among the groups that don't show up to vote, which is a disaster for Democrats.

00:19:53.000 Now, you look at Amy Klobuchar, right, who's the person, if Democrats were smart, they would mobilize behind Amy Klobuchar. 0.79

00:19:57.000 I've been saying this for at least a week.

00:19:59.000 I've actually been saying this for longer than that.

00:20:00.000 I've been saying for several months that it's bewildering to me why Amy Klobuchar doesn't have a higher level of support.

00:20:05.000 She did really well last night.

00:20:07.000 Amy Klobuchar scored about 20% in New Hampshire, blowing out both Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren.

00:20:13.000 Look at her crowd.

00:20:15.000 Among people who attend religious services weekly, she won by 12.

00:20:20.000 Those are the people that the Democrats need to win.

00:20:22.000 They need to not alienate the religious voters who still represent a majority of voters in this country.

00:20:28.000 Now, the Democrats have a bit of a conflict, which is that the plurality and maybe majority of voters in the Democratic electorate are of no religious affiliation or not religious.

00:20:36.000 But in the country, the country is still overall a religious country.

00:20:40.000 Amy Klobuchar won those voters, right?

00:20:41.000 That's a big share that you need to win.

00:20:43.000 And she won among voters who are age 65 and older, who are the people who she needs to cut into if she hopes to sink Trump. 0.81

00:20:49.000 Those are the people that Bernie did worst with.

00:20:52.000 Pete Buttigieg, by the way, won with people whose top issue was climate change, which by a Pew poll yesterday is the second to last issue that Americans care about.

00:21:03.000 That means that if Democrats were smart, they would mobilize behind Amy Klobuchar.

00:21:05.000 But the problem is, of course, that the Democratic middle lane has been clogged up by Biden.

00:21:10.000 And that was the other big story last night.

00:21:12.000 So there's a question as to whether the big story was Bernie winning, which again was sort of foreseen, or whether it was Bernie underperforming, which I tend to think was a bigger story because it does mean that this is still a competitive primary season.

00:21:23.000 We've only done two states at this point.

00:21:25.000 We haven't hit Super Tuesday yet.

00:21:26.000 As we'll see, Michael Bloomberg is ramping up the spending.

00:21:28.000 He continues to spend literally hundreds of millions of dollars on advertising in states that have not been polled yet.

00:21:33.000 We have no idea how that is charting.

00:21:35.000 But the really big story last night is that Joe Biden continues to just collapse.

00:21:40.000 I mean, Joe Biden last night did not only leave the state of New Hampshire early for seeing loss there.

00:21:46.000 He didn't even travel to Nevada.

00:21:48.000 And I've been saying for a while, if he loses in Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada, he's toast.

00:21:53.000 Because there's no way to recover from that and win South Carolina and then start sweeping on Super Tuesday.

00:21:58.000 And you've been seeing his poll numbers in South Carolina collapse.

00:22:01.000 It's not as though his poll numbers in South Carolina are bulletproof.

00:22:03.000 They absolutely are not.

00:22:05.000 The latest polling data From South Carolina is not beneficial to to Joe Biden, particularly the post courier, for example, did a poll at the end of January, and it showed that Biden was only up twenty five twenty over Bernie Sanders with Tom Steyer, who's been spending a fortune in South Carolina, scoring at 18 percent of the vote in South Carolina.

00:22:27.000 Now, Steyer's going to stay in until South Carolina.

00:22:28.000 There was some talk maybe he'll drop out.

00:22:29.000 He's not going to.

00:22:30.000 He spent all of his money in South Carolina.

00:22:32.000 Why exactly would he drop out in New Hampshire?

00:22:34.000 There's one good poll that has come out in the last few days, about a week and a half ago, actually, from East Carolina University.

00:22:39.000 But that came out again before the Iowa caucuses.

00:22:42.000 And that showed Biden up 37 to 19 over Steyer with Sanders all the way down at 14.

00:22:46.000 But it is unlikely that that is going to be the case after Bernie wins a couple of primaries and presumably after he wins Nevada as well.

00:22:53.000 Okay, in just a second, we're going to get to the epic collapse of Joe Biden, because it is amazing.

00:22:58.000 So he needs to drop out, because he's just clogging up that middle lane, right?

00:23:00.000 He's clogging up that pipe.

00:23:02.000 Roto-Rooter needs to come and blow that thing out. 1.00

00:23:05.000 Because right now, Bernie's just going to float to victory with 25-26% of the vote, as long as Joe Biden is in there, sucking up time, sucking up energy, preventing the consolidation of that middle lane.

00:23:13.000 We're going to get to more of this in just one second.

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00:24:45.000 Okay, so the big story of the night other than Bernie Sanders continuing to sort of float along at 25, 26% of the vote is the epic collapse of Joe Biden.

00:24:53.000 There's a third big story too, which is the epic collapse of Elizabeth Warren, but that's more hilarious than anything else. 0.96

00:24:57.000 Watching that pathological liar... 0.92

00:25:01.000 and just fall apart like a mudslide in the Hollywood Hills has been extraordinarily entertaining. 0.94

00:25:07.000 So let me just take a moment and pay tribute to the worst campaign of them all.

00:25:10.000 So Elizabeth Warren is now in full-on mourning mode, and it is delicious.

00:25:15.000 So last night, she said she's not gonna drop out, because of course she can't drop out.

00:25:18.000 If she drops out, then it demonstrates that her campaign has been one of the biggest failures in recent memory, since Kamala Harris.

00:25:25.000 I mean, this was like a massive failure.

00:25:26.000 As of October, she was the presumptive nominee.

00:25:28.000 She was leading in New Hampshire.

00:25:29.000 She was leading in Iowa.

00:25:31.000 She was picking up ground in places like South Carolina, and then she presented her Medicare for All plan.

00:25:36.000 She tried to put flesh on the bones of Bernie Sanders' garbage plan, and she completely fell apart, just imploded.

00:25:41.000 Okay, so last night, she tweeted out that a, I don't want to say girl, a 19-year-old woman who was going to college, and she came up to Elizabeth Warren complaining that she had a lot of student debt. 0.96

00:25:53.000 She said, I have $6 in my bank account, and I'm giving $3 of it to you.

00:25:58.000 And Elizabeth Warren tweeted that out as though this was a mark of her vision.

00:26:04.000 Um, that seems, first of all, pretty regressive, is it not?

00:26:08.000 I mean, like, the woman has six dollars to her name and you're taking three of them for your garbage campaign that is gonna blow it on ads that have no impact? 1.00

00:26:16.000 This person is just terrible. 1.00

00:26:17.000 She's a terrible person.

00:26:19.000 So last night, she announced that she was staying in the race for no apparent reason, because she's got no shot at the nomination.

00:26:26.000 I mean, Bernie is consolidating and she's in Bernie's lane.

00:26:28.000 He's picked up all his support from her.

00:26:30.000 Here's Elizabeth Warren being awful at this. 1.00

00:26:33.000 You know me, did the speech and then afterwards did a selfie line and we were there for over an hour.

00:26:39.000 People are coming through and they're saying thank you and they're giving hugs and talking about what's important to them.

00:26:46.000 A young woman came up by herself and she said, I'm a broke college student with a lot of student loan debt.

00:26:56.000 And she said, I checked and I have $6 in the bank.

00:27:00.000 So I just gave $3 to keep you in this fight. 0.87

00:27:06.000 That's what we gotta do.

00:27:07.000 We have to take money from people who can't afford it.

00:27:09.000 That's what we gotta do.

00:27:11.000 In fact, Elizabeth Warren then smacked her across the face and said, where's your other $3? 1.00

00:27:14.000 Did you bring your other $3, lady?

00:27:16.000 Don't you want to win?

00:27:18.000 Don't you want my campaign to be successful?

00:27:20.000 If you were really willing to fight, you would give me the other $3 in your bank account.

00:27:24.000 And don't worry, I'll alleviate all student loan debt at the end.

00:27:26.000 In fact, why don't you just rack up another $20,000 in student loan debt?

00:27:29.000 You can max yourself out right here on this campaign.

00:27:31.000 And don't worry, a little bit later, I will relieve all student loan debt.

00:27:34.000 You know, if you have to falsify the documents a little bit, just give me some money and funnel it to me and take it out of student loan debt, but then just kind of hand it to me.

00:27:41.000 That's totally fine. 0.93

00:27:42.000 What a terrible human being.

00:27:43.000 I mean, seriously, if somebody came up to me at an event and they were like, I have $6 to my name and I want you to have five of those dollars, I'd be like, no, here is a 20.

00:27:51.000 Go get yourself a nice meal.

00:27:53.000 Like, seriously, who is this person?

00:27:55.000 Who is this?

00:27:56.000 That's insane! 0.99

00:27:58.000 But that's Elizabeth Warren's campaign from top to bottom, completely ridiculous, completely insane, completely out of touch with regular Americans, even while pretending to represent regular Americans. 1.00

00:28:08.000 The lady's been teaching at Harvard Law for 20 years. 1.00

00:28:10.000 I mean, she's not been in touch with regular Americans for several decades at this point.

00:28:14.000 And by regular Americans, I mean people who don't have tons of money in their bank account.

00:28:19.000 It's just, it's crazy.

00:28:21.000 Her new pitch, by the way, is that people are being mean to each other and mean to her.

00:28:24.000 That's her new pitch. 0.59

00:28:25.000 So she got skunked last night. 0.99

00:28:26.000 I mean, just destroyed.

00:28:28.000 She won 9.6% of the vote in a state neighboring her own.

00:28:30.000 She won a grand total of 11,000 votes last night.

00:28:33.000 Just a brutal, brutal showing.

00:28:35.000 Okay, and Elizabeth Warren then gets up in Manchester, New Hampshire, says, yeah, we were bad, but people keep fragmenting this party, and that's terrible.

00:28:42.000 No one has fragmented this party more than Elizabeth Warren.

00:28:45.000 Elizabeth Warren has been an attack dog against virtually everybody else on that stage. 1.00

00:28:49.000 And she's awful.

00:28:50.000 And pretty soon those sweaters, the good news is, ladies, if you're looking for Ann Taylor Loft multicolored sweaters, those will be on half price within a matter of about three weeks because Elizabeth Warren's demand for them will have dropped ridiculously, ridiculously dramatically.

00:29:04.000 So here's Elizabeth Warren saying, everyone is mean and mean to me and everybody's mean and they need to stop being mean.

00:29:09.000 The fight between factions in our party has taken a sharp turn in recent weeks, with ads mocking other candidates and with supporters of some candidates shouting curses at other Democratic candidates.

00:29:25.000 These harsh tactics might work if you are willing to burn down the rest of the party in order to be the last man standing.

00:29:32.000 We're going to need huge turnout within our party.

00:29:36.000 And to get that turnout, we will need a nominee that the broadest coalition of our party feels like they can get behind.

00:29:45.000 Yeah, which is not you.

00:29:46.000 By the way, her actual final showing, I was reading with like 39% of the vote in, her actual showing was about 27,000 votes last night, she ended up with 9.2% of the vote.

00:29:46.000 Which is not you.

00:29:54.000 It's just a horrible, horrible showing.

00:29:56.000 For Elizabeth Warren, I love that she's like, we're splitting the party, we're splitting the party, and that's why I'm staying in, to split the party some more.

00:30:02.000 Okay, but she wasn't even the biggest collapse last night, obviously.

00:30:05.000 The biggest collapse last night was Joe Biden, who's the frontrunner in every poll, almost wire to wire, in Iowa.

00:30:12.000 In New Hampshire, he'd been showing a close second to Bernie Sanders, and then no one showed up to vote for him.

00:30:17.000 No one.

00:30:18.000 One CNN correspondent was going around talking to New Hampshire voters and said, I could not find anyone here who supports Biden.

00:30:24.000 I asked Jill, and Jill was like, maybe I kind of like Bernie.

00:30:28.000 Here's the CNN correspondent explaining that no single human being could be found in the state of New Hampshire who liked Joe Biden.

00:30:34.000 Most surprising here is that of all the voters I've talked to, and we're talking probably upwards of a hundred right now, not a single one saying they support Joe Biden.

00:30:44.000 Ouch.

00:30:45.000 Ouch.

00:30:46.000 CNN's John King says the same thing.

00:30:47.000 He says, the big headline tonight, rotten performance by Biden.

00:30:50.000 This is two straight states where he has just... So apparently his fourth, fifth, third, first plan is going perfectly.

00:30:58.000 Remember they had this with Rubio.

00:31:00.000 Rubio was going to finish third in Iowa.

00:31:02.000 Then he was gonna finish second in New Hampshire, and then he was gonna finish first in South Carolina and Nevada.

00:31:07.000 Well, yeah, that didn't materialize.

00:31:09.000 It turns out that you can not continue losing and then consider that you are a winner.

00:31:13.000 This is why this quixotic quest by Elizabeth Warren to continue running is bizarre.

00:31:17.000 By the way, if she got out, a lot of that vote would move over to Bernie Sanders, so that is worth noting at this point.

00:31:20.000 But Biden is sucking up a lot of time, sucking up a lot of money, and sucking up a lot of votes, right?

00:31:25.000 I mean, imagine those 8% go to Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg, or imagine that Klobuchar and Buttigieg and Biden Former Vice President of the United States.

00:31:33.000 Of course, it's not true.

00:31:34.000 But if that were the case, that would be well over 50 percent of the vote in New Hampshire, well over 50 percent of the vote in Iowa.

00:31:38.000 In any case, the CNN's John King was saying, listen, Joe Biden is just a dead man walking at this point, which is obviously true.

00:31:45.000 Former vice president of the United States, first nowhere.

00:31:48.000 Second, way up there.

00:31:51.000 I'll take a look at the size of that in a minute.

00:31:52.000 But again, this is, I'm almost, I almost don't want to do it because it feels mean to do it.

00:31:57.000 We're talking about a very tiny place up here.

00:31:59.000 Four votes, five votes.

00:32:00.000 Yeah, two to one in the town.

00:32:01.000 So it feels almost mean to do it.

00:32:03.000 But that just tells you that again, You're not first, you're not second, you're not third in any place of significance on the map.

00:32:11.000 That is the definition of a very bad night.

00:32:13.000 Okay, a horrible night for Joe Biden.

00:32:15.000 Chris Matthews is like, where's Joe going?

00:32:17.000 Joe didn't even stick around New Hampshire.

00:32:19.000 Joe just took off.

00:32:20.000 He went to China.

00:32:21.000 Hopefully not with Hunter to pick up money, but he just kind of left.

00:32:24.000 I roll on in here, come out of the shoe, all rumpled, thinking about the fact that Bernie Sanders is going to be the nominee of our party.

00:32:29.000 I mean, I'm old enough to remember when socialism was kind of bad.

00:32:34.000 It is an amazing statement, by the way, about your network when Chris Matthews is the most reasonable person on your network, which is what he is becoming in the face of people like Chris Hayes.

00:32:41.000 It's wild.

00:32:42.000 Here's Chris Matthews last night going, where is Joe going?

00:32:45.000 And maybe he doesn't even know which direction he's up anymore.

00:32:47.000 What the hell is going on?

00:32:48.000 Going to China?

00:32:49.000 Going to Saskatchewan?

00:32:50.000 Why is he going there?

00:32:50.000 Why?

00:32:51.000 I don't know.

00:32:52.000 It's like Johnny Appleseed just dropping bad campaigns in his wake.

00:32:55.000 Go! 0.95

00:32:55.000 Here we go. 0.95

00:32:56.000 Biden is now going to basically the island off of China, you know, where he thinks he can hold on against the mainland.

00:33:06.000 He's like, it's like Taiwan. 0.95

00:33:07.000 That's what he's talking about there.

00:33:09.000 Taiwan.

00:33:09.000 He's like, he's like Chiang Kai-shek leaving China, trying to get away from the communists.

00:33:14.000 And now he can't even find a respite.

00:33:16.000 He's running away, running away.

00:33:19.000 I mean, that is accurate.

00:33:21.000 We'll get to Joe Biden's reaction to all of this last night because Joe Biden is basically in full panic mode.

00:33:26.000 And honestly, if Joe Biden were as much of a patriot for the Democratic Party as he says he is, he would get out right now because dude, he's done.

00:33:32.000 He's toast.

00:33:33.000 Put him in.

00:33:34.000 Shut the shut the fridge.

00:33:36.000 This night is over for Joe Biden.

00:33:38.000 OK, it is.

00:33:39.000 It is done.

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00:37:02.000 So Joe Biden last night reacting to his devastating destruction in New Hampshire.

00:37:12.000 I mean, just a decimation of his campaign.

00:37:15.000 Finishing fifth in New Hampshire.

00:37:16.000 This is the former vice president of the United States who finished fifth to an octogenarian communist, a mayor of a town of like five people, A senator from Minnesota, who until five minutes ago had no public attention.

00:37:28.000 And Elizabeth Warren, who has absolutely collapsed.

00:37:30.000 And he finished fifth.

00:37:31.000 A devastating showing.

00:37:33.000 No wonder Joe Biden is walking around getting increasingly angry.

00:37:36.000 Yesterday, he got angry at a reporter asking him questions.

00:37:38.000 Here's what that sounded like.

00:37:40.000 Are you concerned about the message that you're sending to New Hampshire by going to South Carolina?

00:37:44.000 Not at all.

00:37:44.000 No, I'm not.

00:37:45.000 Not at all.

00:37:46.000 They know we've worked our heart here.

00:37:47.000 We're continuing.

00:37:48.000 We're going to go all the way to New Hampshire.

00:37:50.000 And this is it.

00:37:51.000 I'm not concerned about it at all.

00:37:52.000 Does it seem like you're giving up on New Hampshire?

00:37:54.000 I'm not giving up on New Hampshire.

00:37:56.000 Don't poke that in my face, okay, buddy?

00:37:58.000 Don't put that in my face.

00:37:59.000 I mean, he's getting increasingly, increasingly angry.

00:38:01.000 And you've seen this in many of his rallies.

00:38:02.000 Like, he's getting more and more irritated by this whole thing.

00:38:05.000 And why wouldn't he be?

00:38:05.000 I mean, he thought that he was gonna cruise to the nomination here, and instead, he is Joe!

00:38:10.000 In the same way that it was Jeb!

00:38:11.000 in 2016.

00:38:11.000 Last night, he sounded like...

00:38:17.000 Honestly, he sounded like a desperate, desperate man.

00:38:19.000 He was on stage in South Carolina.

00:38:21.000 He sort of... He sort of did his rally in New Hampshire from South Carolina because he is desperately attempting to hold what he perceives to be a firewall in South Carolina.

00:38:30.000 So he did this rally.

00:38:31.000 And there, he was saying, It ain't over, man.

00:38:34.000 It ain't over.

00:38:35.000 You can't shut this bar.

00:38:36.000 I got one more drink left.

00:38:37.000 You can't shut this bar.

00:38:38.000 It's not over, man.

00:38:39.000 No, no.

00:38:40.000 I need one more bet.

00:38:41.000 One more bet on this roulette table.

00:38:42.000 I know I've maxed out, but I need one more bet, guys.

00:38:44.000 It's not over.

00:38:45.000 It's not...

00:38:45.000 It's over, Joe.

00:38:46.000 It's over.

00:38:46.000 Just call it.

00:38:47.000 This thing's over.

00:38:48.000 We just heard from the first two of 50 states.

00:38:53.000 Two of them.

00:38:54.000 Not all the nation.

00:38:55.000 Not half the nation.

00:38:57.000 Not a quarter of the nation.

00:38:58.000 Not 10%.

00:39:00.000 Two.

00:39:01.000 Two.

00:39:02.000 Where I come from, that's the opening bell.

00:39:05.000 Not the closing bell.

00:39:07.000 So when you hear all these pundits and experts, cable TV talkers, talk about the race, tell them, it ain't over, man.

00:39:14.000 We're just getting started.

00:39:16.000 Game over, man.

00:39:17.000 Game over.

00:39:17.000 Nuke it from orbit.

00:39:18.000 This thing is toast. 0.98

00:39:19.000 Shut it down.

00:39:20.000 Because...

00:39:22.000 Again, here's the reality.

00:39:23.000 If you had said to anybody that Bernie is going to win the first two states, and probably Nevada, that he's going to win the first three, and by the time he gets to South Carolina, Joe Biden will have won zero victories and not finished, presumably, I don't think he's going to finish in the top three in Nevada.

00:39:35.000 I think he's going to get blown out in Nevada.

00:39:37.000 I think Bernie Sanders is going to win Nevada.

00:39:39.000 And I think that Pete Buttigieg or Amy Klobuchar will finish second or third in Nevada.

00:39:43.000 I would not be surprised if Joe Biden finishes fourth or fifth in Nevada.

00:39:47.000 I mean, that is why he's flying to South Carolina, presumably.

00:39:49.000 If he thought he was going to win in Nevada or he had a shot at Nevada, why wouldn't he be flying to Nevada?

00:39:53.000 I mean, that's the next place.

00:39:55.000 But he's actually backing up all the way until the end of February because the election in South Carolina doesn't happen until I believe February 28th or February 29th or something.

00:40:04.000 So this is really, really bad showing.

00:40:06.000 Jimmy Fallon last night calling this thing.

00:40:09.000 He says, listen, Biden merch, it's about to get a lot cheaper.

00:40:11.000 So if you've been waiting for that Biden merch, now would be your time to stock up.

00:40:15.000 The New Hampshire primary was held today.

00:40:17.000 And good news, if anyone's in the market for some Joe Biden campaign merchandise, I think it's about to get a whole lot cheaper.

00:40:23.000 Based on a lot of polls, Joe Biden was on track to finish the night in fourth or fifth place.

00:40:28.000 I'm not saying Biden's in trouble, but the coronavirus is pulling ahead of him.

00:40:35.000 But this is true.

00:40:35.000 Today, Biden actually left New Hampshire early to start campaigning in South Carolina.

00:40:39.000 And since it was Joe Biden, he didn't really leave early as much as wander off.

00:40:44.000 Joe, where's he going?

00:40:46.000 He's done.

00:40:47.000 He's done.

00:40:47.000 Van Jones, over on CNN, was wildly depressed last night, which is funny because Van Jones is a person who basically was ousted from the Obama administration for being too far left.

00:40:57.000 So you'd imagine that he's in the Bernie camp.

00:40:59.000 But here's the thing about Van Jones.

00:41:00.000 At least dude's honest.

00:41:02.000 I mean, I know Van Jones a little bit.

00:41:03.000 I really like Van Jones as a human being.

00:41:05.000 Van Jones, last night, he was like, I'm depressed.

00:41:08.000 We're all depressed.

00:41:10.000 I think we're all gonna hang ourselves. 0.75

00:41:11.000 This is awful. 0.98

00:41:13.000 Correct Van Jones.

00:41:14.000 Correct.

00:41:14.000 Here it is.

00:41:16.000 I think people are depressed.

00:41:18.000 I think people are sad.

00:41:19.000 I think people can't figure out which of these people are supposed to vote for, and I think people are waiting to come out to vote against Donald Trump.

00:41:25.000 I do think that this is an aberration.

00:41:28.000 We're in this weird thing where, to your point earlier, people were coming out to vote on a Wednesday for an off-election county commission meeting because they felt there was a binary choice.

00:41:37.000 This is a messy, confusing choice.

00:41:39.000 People are sad and depressed, and people just want somebody to vote for against Trump.

00:41:43.000 And by the way, once they get somebody to vote for against Trump, I know that the Democrats are counting on this upsurge of enthusiasm to vote against Trump.

00:41:50.000 I don't know that that's going to materialize.

00:41:52.000 Those turnout numbers do not suggest a batch of new voters and young voters who are showing up in massive numbers for somebody like Bernie Sanders.

00:41:58.000 By the way, the cash race matters here.

00:42:00.000 Here's one of the problems for the Democrats.

00:42:02.000 One of the problems for the Democrats is that Trump is blowing them out in fundraising.

00:42:06.000 Blowing them out.

00:42:08.000 Here's how much cash on hand.

00:42:10.000 Donald Trump had as of February 1st, 2020.

00:42:13.000 Cash on hand, $103 million.

00:42:16.000 His nearest competitor is Bernie Sanders, who has just over $18 million cash on hand after 2019 Q4, and he blew a lot of that in January.

00:42:25.000 By the way, the top spenders in the Democratic Party are Tom Steyer, who's now spent something like $200 million, and Michael Bloomberg, who's spent like $280 million.

00:42:35.000 Bernie Sanders has spent over $100 million.

00:42:37.000 Trump has spent about $143 million.

00:42:41.000 I mean, the Democrats are not going to be raising the kind of money I think that they are going to be, that they think they are going to be raising.

00:42:48.000 And here is the problem.

00:42:49.000 Right now, as I say, the big issue here is that the moderate lane is clogged, and that became more confusing last night, not less confusing, right?

00:42:55.000 Buttigieg did not actually consolidate the moderate lane.

00:42:58.000 Instead, Amy Klobuchar showed very strong Joe Biden was always perceived to be sort of the placeholder, but there's nobody who's rising up to take it.

00:43:05.000 Pete Buttigieg last night, he keeps campaigning as a small town mayor who's also super savvy.

00:43:10.000 There's one problem, and Klobuchar is going to nail him on this.

00:43:13.000 He cannot win a state in the Midwest.

00:43:15.000 He keeps saying he's going to win states in the Midwest.

00:43:17.000 He could not even win a statewide race in his home state of Indiana.

00:43:20.000 The only election he has ever won is to mayor of South Bend, Indiana.

00:43:24.000 But here's Pete Buttigieg pretending that he's going to revitalize American politics.

00:43:27.000 Now, listen, he's a very talented guy, Pete Buttigieg.

00:43:29.000 He's very good at modulating his tone.

00:43:31.000 He is Obama-esque in his ability to lie through his teeth about his actual positions in a way that sounds moderate.

00:43:36.000 That is absolutely true.

00:43:38.000 But there's one thing that Pete Buttigieg does not have going for him that Barack Obama did have going for him, and that is an incredible amount of enthusiasm.

00:43:44.000 Barack Obama had tons of enthusiasm, bipartisan enthusiasm, really.

00:43:48.000 I mean, because he had done his whole red state, blue state thing, and because Barack Obama was perceived to be, by many Americans, the end of racial conflict in America.

00:43:55.000 At least he campaigned that way in the early going.

00:43:56.000 In any case, here's Pete Buttigieg, who is not Barack Obama.

00:43:59.000 to win and to govern.

00:44:01.000 We need to bring new voices to our capital.

00:44:04.000 We need to get Washington starting to work more like our best-run cities and towns rather than the other way around.

00:44:10.000 And I know that when you talk this way, you might get dismissed as a naive newcomer.

00:44:18.000 But A fresh outlook is what makes new beginnings possible.

00:44:23.000 It is how we build a new majority.

00:44:26.000 He's just channeling Obama.

00:44:28.000 The problem is he ain't Obama.

00:44:29.000 And people are increasingly going to recognize this.

00:44:31.000 And frankly, I think a lot of people in South Carolina, I think black Americans are insulted by the idea that Pete Buttigieg is somehow a recapitulation of Barack Obama.

00:44:38.000 I don't think that's going to play.

00:44:40.000 Meanwhile, Amy Klobuchar gave her triumphalist third place finish speech last night.

00:44:44.000 She said, we're still here.

00:44:45.000 You know, they keep saying leave and then we're still here.

00:44:47.000 I announced my candidacy in the middle of a Minnesota blizzard.

00:44:52.000 And there were a lot of people that predicted I wouldn't even get through that speech.

00:44:58.000 But not the people of my state, and not the people of New Hampshire.

00:45:02.000 Then they predicted that we wouldn't make it through the summer.

00:45:05.000 We did.

00:45:06.000 Then they predicted we wouldn't make it to the debates.

00:45:09.000 And man, were we at the debate in New Hampshire.

00:45:13.000 What we've done is steady, we've been strong, and we've never quit.

00:45:18.000 I think that sounds pretty good for a president.

00:45:21.000 Okay, there's only one problem for her, which is that, again, she needs to consolidate this lane.

00:45:25.000 The Democrats are not going to consolidate.

00:45:26.000 This is their biggest, biggest problem.

00:45:28.000 Which is why there are a lot of people who are waiting for the deus ex machina of Michael Bloomberg.

00:45:31.000 They're hoping that Michael Bloomberg spending in the Super Tuesday states is actually going to turn out with Michael Bloomberg winning some sweeping victories across the country.

00:45:38.000 And that, by the way, includes a lot of people who are widely perceived to be not in Michael Bloomberg's crowd.

00:45:43.000 By which I mean, the pundidocracy suggests that because Michael Bloomberg was tough on crime in New York City, that he is widely perceived as racist by the black community in the United States.

00:45:51.000 There's not a lot of evidence to support that.

00:45:53.000 Again, the national polling shows that Bloomberg is actually polling ahead of Bernie among black voters, at least with Quinnipiac poll that came out a couple of days ago.

00:46:00.000 Joy Reid.

00:46:02.000 Yesterday actually made a case for Michael Bloomberg.

00:46:04.000 She said the Democrats need a nominee who can beat Trump and Michael Bloomberg might be the only guy who can beat Trump because here's the dirty little secret.

00:46:10.000 Pete Buttigieg is not going to beat Trump.

00:46:12.000 Pete Buttigieg is not going to win those Midwestern states.

00:46:14.000 He is not.

00:46:15.000 Bernie Sanders has a real problem against Donald Trump and all the talk about how he's going to reshift coalitions.

00:46:20.000 Maybe it'll happen.

00:46:21.000 Maybe it will.

00:46:21.000 But that is not what the poll says right now.

00:46:24.000 Not in these Midwestern states.

00:46:26.000 And if you think that Amy Klobuchar is going to be the nominee, like again, I think that that would be the smart move by the Democrats, but if you think Amy Klobuchar is going to be the nominee, That is highly unlikely.

00:46:35.000 And the reason I say it's highly unlikely is because she ain't raising money.

00:46:38.000 Her total raised in 2019 Q4 was $11 million.

00:46:43.000 $11 million.

00:46:44.000 Compare that to Bernie Sanders.

00:46:45.000 Bernie Sanders in Q4 raised $35 million.

00:46:49.000 He's blowing her out in the fundraising.

00:46:51.000 And that does make a difference when it comes time to advertise for Super Tuesday.

00:46:54.000 But here was Joy Reid making the case for Michael Bloomberg, who has lots of cash and who does have a fairly good record, particularly on crime in New York City.

00:47:01.000 Here's Joy Reid.

00:47:04.000 There is a sense with Bloomberg, not that he'll break any rules, but that he'll go high and he'll go low. 0.93

00:47:09.000 He talked about, you know, porn and a cheeseburger and a putter being in his brain.

00:47:13.000 That was our friend Tam O'Brien, too. 0.98

00:47:14.000 And you cannot beat Trump unless you hit him where it hurts.

00:47:16.000 And the bottom line is, number one, you can't beat showbiz without showbiz.

00:47:19.000 And Democrats don't understand showbiz, even though all of showbiz is on their side in Hollywood.

00:47:23.000 But they don't understand showbiz.

00:47:24.000 And the other reality is, if you want a Democrat to win, they have to know how to fight like a Republican.

00:47:30.000 He's a Republican.

00:47:33.000 Also, worth noting that if anybody is going to stop Bernie Sanders at this point, it's going to have to be somebody who has some pretty heavy union support.

00:47:42.000 The reason I say that is because you could see theoretically... I think Bloomberg made a mistake by waiting too long to get in the race.

00:47:48.000 I think that Bloomberg should have put a bunch of money into Nevada, right?

00:47:50.000 It's a small state.

00:47:51.000 A lot of money in a small state can make a big difference.

00:47:53.000 And in Nevada, there is a kickback against Bernie Sanders that is happening right now.

00:47:58.000 According to the Nevada Independent yesterday, the culinary union warned its members that Sanders would end their health care if elected president.

00:48:04.000 That is the biggest union in Nevada.

00:48:06.000 A lot of the unions in Nevada are not happy with Bernie Sanders because his Medicare for All plan basically requires the death of all of the special union contracts that have been negotiated in order to achieve Cadillac health care for their members.

00:48:18.000 The Culinary Union, which provides health insurance to 130,000 workers and their families through a special trust fund, strongly opposes Medicare for All.

00:48:26.000 They've not endorsed anybody, but they are basically unendorsing Bernie Sanders, which means that you could see somebody like Amy Klobuchar show strong.

00:48:33.000 This is why it's so bewildering that Joe Biden just abandons Nevada.

00:48:37.000 It shows that he thinks that his campaign is dead.

00:48:39.000 So as I've been saying all show long, bottom line here, Democrats have a consolidation problem.

00:48:43.000 They have a collective action problem.

00:48:44.000 Everybody wants to be the last person standing versus Bernie, so no one's gonna get out, and that means that Bernie is likely to be the nominee.

00:48:51.000 Klobuchar, by the way, is dropping heavy money in Nevada.

00:48:53.000 Klobuchar understands this.

00:48:55.000 She's dropping heavy money in Nevada, hoping to draw maybe a surprise victory or a surprise second-place finish surpassing Pete Buttigieg in Nevada. 0.99

00:49:03.000 Okay, let's get to some things that I like and then some things that I hate.

00:49:07.000 Things that I like today.

00:49:08.000 So I went out with my wife last night.

00:49:10.000 My father was babysitting for my kids.

00:49:12.000 I came home and he said, I want to play you this two minute clip of Art Tatum.

00:49:16.000 So for folks who don't know jazz piano, my father was a professional jazz pianist.

00:49:19.000 He's a terrific, terrific pianist.

00:49:21.000 And Art Tatum was one of his idols growing up, Oscar Peterson being the other.

00:49:24.000 Art Tatum was such a great pianist that when Oscar Peterson heard him as a teenager, Oscar Peterson said, I might have to quit piano because nobody can ever play like Art Tatum.

00:49:31.000 Tatum was nearly blind and one of the great jazz pianists of the 20th century.

00:49:37.000 So, here is a clip of Art Tatum playing something called Tiger Rag.

00:49:40.000 Listen to the cleanliness of his keystrokes.

00:49:43.000 I mean, listen to how clean he is on the piano.

00:49:45.000 It really is unbelievable stuff.

00:49:47.000 piano plays softly

00:50:17.000 piano plays softly I mean, a lot of the harmonic sophistication that he's using here is pretty incredible, and obviously his style of playing is unbelievable.

00:50:40.000 I wish I were a pianist so I could better understand and explain to you what exactly he's doing.

00:50:44.000 Listen to how fast he's with the left hand there.

00:50:45.000 That's what you're hearing in the bass part there.

00:50:49.000 It's unbelievable stuff.

00:50:51.000 Check it out.

00:50:51.000 It's Tiger Rag by Art Tatum.

00:50:53.000 You can find it on YouTube.

00:50:55.000 It's pretty spectacular stuff.

00:50:56.000 This is why it's always weird to me when people say the great American art form In terms of, like, the black art form in America is rap?

00:51:05.000 No.

00:51:05.000 The great American art form, truly, is jazz.

00:51:07.000 It really is the great American musical art form.

00:51:09.000 And it was largely black.

00:51:11.000 It was created by black Americans, and it is unbelievable. 1.00

00:51:13.000 I mean, Art Tatum is just spectacular.

00:51:15.000 So is Oscar Peterson.

00:51:16.000 I played some Oscar Peterson on the show, so if you're looking for some jazz, go check out Art Tatum or Oscar Peterson.

00:51:21.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:51:23.000 All righty, so President Trump needs to stop.

00:51:31.000 And what I mean by this is stop.

00:51:33.000 The reason I say stop, President Trump, is because the Gallup polls right now are showing Americans pretty happy with everything that is going on in the country.

00:51:40.000 And according to the Gallup polls, Trump is now approaching 50% in terms of public approval rating.

00:51:44.000 He apparently is about to run against an octogenarian communist.

00:51:47.000 So everything is going pretty well for Trump.

00:51:49.000 You know what that would necessitate? 0.99

00:51:51.000 He needs to stop being thin-skinned and vindictive and reacting in vindictive ways that make him look petty and silly. 0.95

00:51:58.000 Really, he needs to stop this. 0.96

00:51:59.000 I'm not talking about him firing Vindman.

00:52:01.000 So he fired Lieutenant Colonel Vindman the other day.

00:52:04.000 Alexander Vindman.

00:52:05.000 Vindman was the person who I think was wrongly maligned by some people on the right as somehow unpatriotic for whistleblowing about Trump's behavior on Ukraine and then testifying about Trump's behavior on Ukraine.

00:52:16.000 Now, I thought that Vindman's Vindman's testimony was surprisingly political.

00:52:20.000 I thought that it was much more about his disagreement with Trump on Ukraine policy, which is a policy, by the way, I disagreed with Trump on, but I thought that Vindman's testimony was less about what Trump had actually done in terms of pushing for corruption in the 2020 election than it supposedly, than it was about Vindman's particular view of Ukraine policy.

00:52:38.000 With that said, Trump fired Vindman, and he fired his twin brother also.

00:52:42.000 I don't know why.

00:52:43.000 I guess there's like, maybe he was afraid that the twin brother would switch places with Vindman.

00:52:46.000 It would be like the parent trap or something.

00:52:48.000 I don't know what happened.

00:52:49.000 Those guys were fired from the White House.

00:52:50.000 Now, it is true they were not actually fired from their jobs, right?

00:52:53.000 They were just transferred from White House duty.

00:52:55.000 And that is Trump's prerogative.

00:52:56.000 Like, if I had somebody at this company who I thought was reporting out on stuff that was happening at the company to somebody else, and it wasn't criminal activity, it was just them reporting stuff that they don't like at the company, That seems like a fairly good case that they probably should not be working at headquarters, which is what Trump did here.

00:53:10.000 People are going nuts over that.

00:53:11.000 So I'm not talking about the Vindman thing.

00:53:12.000 People on the left are saying, well, how could he get rid of Vindman?

00:53:14.000 That's retaliation against a whistleblower.

00:53:16.000 Well, technically, if there's no crime, he's not a whistleblower.

00:53:20.000 He's just somebody who disagrees with the policy.

00:53:21.000 And the president does have a right to run his executive branch with people who agree with him on policy or who at least are not going to actively undermine policy by going and leaking it to Adam Schiff.

00:53:33.000 I don't have a problem, really, with what he did with Vindman.

00:53:34.000 I do have a problem with his intervention with regard to Roger Stone.

00:53:38.000 Now, in order to discuss what happened with Roger Stone, you need to understand that when there are big cases in the DOJ, and the Roger Stone was a big case in the DOJ, obviously, because it had significant ramifications for the Trump campaign.

00:53:50.000 Roger Stone had been charged with lying to Congress and also lying to investigators and trying to bully witnesses not to testify in front of the FBI and obstruction and all this kind of stuff.

00:53:58.000 So he was sentenced the other day to seven to nine years in prison.

00:54:01.000 And a lot of people, I think reasonably, said seven to nine years for what Roger Stone did is a very long sentence.

00:54:07.000 He's going to get more jail time by orders of magnitude, more jail time than Rick Gates, who had admitted to stealing money from Paul Manafort.

00:54:14.000 He's going to get orders of magnitude more jail time than Certainly, like Andrew McCabe, who will probably get no jail time, who also apparently lied to investigators.

00:54:21.000 So, I understand the case that there was injustice in the Roger Stone case.

00:54:25.000 Here is what I don't get.

00:54:26.000 So, if you have a major DOJ case, it is very rare to have a major DOJ case where the DOJ lower downs, the ADAs, the Associate District Attorneys, are not actively talking with the higher ups in the DOJ.

00:54:39.000 So, when they went for their sentencing recommendation, unless all the prosecutors in that case decided to just ignore William Barr, the Attorney General, Then they probably went to the higher ups in the DOJ and recommended this seven to nine year sentence and Barr probably signed off on it or at the very least didn't sound an objection to it.

00:54:55.000 Then Trump publicly, Trump publicly says the sentence is too much.

00:55:00.000 And now Trump is publicly declaring that he had William Barr basically downgrade the sentence recommendation from the prosecutors and all four prosecutors on the Roger Stone case quit.

00:55:08.000 Hey, that is a bad look.

00:55:09.000 It is a bad look.

00:55:10.000 It looks as though the president is person.

00:55:12.000 Look, if the president wants to pardon Roger Stone, I think that's a bad look, too.

00:55:15.000 But he does have the pardon power.

00:55:17.000 And sure, he has the power, I suppose, to order his attorney general to do this sort of stuff.

00:55:21.000 But it is a it does not look good.

00:55:23.000 It looks corrupt.

00:55:24.000 It looks bad.

00:55:26.000 And mostly, it looks like William Barr was twisting in the wind.

00:55:28.000 I mean, William Barr is the guy who's left out there, out front, twisting in the wind.

00:55:32.000 And the widespread media-driven perception of Barr is that he's a political actor anyway.

00:55:35.000 So unless Barr comes out and he says, listen, these DOJ lawyers, they went rogue, they recommended a harsh sentence because they don't like Trump, and then I had to come in and fix that thing.

00:55:44.000 Then it's hard to imagine a situation in which lower-down ADAs simply decided on a high-profile sentencing recommendation without even running that up the flagpole, which is why it is a bad look when four prosecutors abruptly withdrew on Tuesday from the case of President Trump's longtime friend Roger Stone after senior DOJ officials intervened to recommend a more lenient sentence for crimes he committed in a bid to protect the president.

00:56:05.000 This is according to The New York Times.

00:56:06.000 In an extraordinary decision over ruling career lawyers, the Justice Department recommended an unspecified term of incarceration for Stone instead of the prosecutor's request of a punishment of 79 years.

00:56:15.000 The move coincided with Trump's declaration on Twitter early Tuesday that the government was treating Stone too harshly.

00:56:20.000 Now, it wouldn't have been a surprise and would have been fully precedented for Trump to, for example, commute Roger Stone's sentence.

00:56:26.000 This actually happened with with Scooter, Scooter Libby under the under the Bush administration, It was, it was felt that he was unfairly targeted by the Department of Justice because he was not the source of the leaks about Joe Wilson, you remember the CIA officer, and his wife, Valerie Plame, and then it turned out that it was, it was Richard Armitage who leaked their identity, and then apparently in the course of the investigation, Scooter Libby said something that was not true, and then he ended up being sentenced, and all that.

00:56:52.000 Okay, bottom line is, That it would have not have been a shock.

00:56:56.000 The president could take the direct power and the direct blame for commuting the sentence or pardoning Roger Stone if he saw fit to, but directing William Barr to change the sentence, which it appears is what happened here.

00:57:06.000 And then William Barr going back on presumably negotiations that took place between the DOJ and the ADAs as to which sentence to be recommended.

00:57:12.000 That looks really, really bad.

00:57:15.000 Right?

00:57:15.000 The development immediately prompted questions about whether the Justice Department was bending to White House pressure.

00:57:19.000 The gulf between the prosecutors and the DOJ superiors burst into public view the week before Stone was to be sentenced for trying to sabotage a congressional investigation that had posed a threat to the president.

00:57:28.000 The prosecutors were said to be furious over the reversal of their sentencing request.

00:57:32.000 The Stone case was one of the most high-profile criminal prosecutions arising from the nearly two-year investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election by Robert Mueller.

00:57:40.000 So again, this is Trump running for re-election.

00:57:43.000 Maybe he feels what's happening to Roger Stone is a bad thing.

00:57:47.000 Okay, well, that's his prerogative.

00:57:49.000 But you know what looks even worse?

00:57:50.000 You manipulating the Justice Department top-down in order to help your friends, right?

00:57:54.000 That looks even worse.

00:57:55.000 And Trump should keep that in mind because if the man wishes to win re-election, then his vindictive sense of what ought to happen and what ought not to happen is not going to serve him well.

00:58:02.000 It didn't serve him well in this whole Ukraine debacle, by the way.

00:58:04.000 I know people are seeing this as like a big victory for Trump.

00:58:06.000 Now, the big victory is that Democrats overreached.

00:58:08.000 If they had not overreached and gone for censure, Trump would have had a bigger problem on his hands.

00:58:11.000 Okay, we'll be back here a little bit later today with two additional hours of content.

00:58:14.000 Otherwise, we'll be back here tomorrow with much, much more.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - February 12, 2020

Bern Baby Bern, New Hampshire Inferno | Ep. 952

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