The Ben Shapiro Show - Biden Caves, Builds Trump Wall

00:00:00.000 Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas on Wednesday waived 26 different federal laws that actually allowed him to build border wall in South Texas.

00:00:09.000 Apparently, among the 26 laws the DHS waived, according to National Review, that includes the Clean Air Act, Drinking Water Act, and Endangered Species Act.

00:00:17.000 The projects will be funded by a congressional appropriations package from fiscal year 2019.

00:00:20.000 It's not going to be tons of wall, but it is some wall.

00:00:23.000 It's like 20 miles of wall along the border in Starr County, Texas.

00:00:26.000 That's an area experiencing high illegal entry.

00:00:29.000 The Biden administration has acknowledged that this was necessary.

00:00:32.000 They put forward a statement saying as much, suggesting that this is the way that this was going to go, that basically we need the wall.

00:00:38.000 If we don't have the wall, it's going to be very difficult for us to secure the border.

00:00:41.000 This, of course, creates a major conundrum.

00:00:42.000 Because Joe Biden suggested during the 2020 race that walls are bad.

00:00:46.000 They are ineffective. 0.99

00:00:47.000 They are useless. 0.99

00:00:47.000 And in fact, the idea of the Trump wall was incredibly bad. 0.99

00:00:50.000 Racist. 0.98

00:00:51.000 Terrible. 0.93

00:00:51.000 This is why you had Alexander Ocasio-Cortez during the Trump administration jetting on down to the southern border to hang around empty parking lots and fake cry into the camera over offense. 0.93

00:01:03.000 This is why you had the entire media Shrieking and crying about the idea of Donald Trump building more border wall.

00:01:09.000 This is why just a few weeks ago, you had judges who were stepping in to prevent the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, from putting buoys in the middle of the Rio Grande to prevent people from illegally attempting to cross that border.

00:01:21.000 Well, now they have flipped.

00:01:22.000 Now they have flipped.

00:01:23.000 Again, it's not all that long ago they were saying all this sort of stuff.

00:01:26.000 As of 2021, Corine Jean-Pierre was saying on behalf of this administration that walls don't work.

00:01:31.000 He also indicated that certain sections of the border wall should be finished.

00:01:36.000 Does the President agree?

00:01:38.000 Well, as you know, we have said that I have to look at the comments.

00:01:43.000 I have not seen them, so I want to make sure I read it within context.

00:01:48.000 But we have talked about the border wall here in general as a way that it's been used to close the border.

00:01:57.000 And we feel that it is a policy that doesn't work.

00:02:00.000 And it's not just us.

00:02:02.000 Experts have said that the border wall is not an effective policy.

00:02:09.000 That was the administration just a couple of years ago.

00:02:11.000 So what changed?

00:02:11.000 Well, it turns out millions of people have crossed the southern border under Joe Biden, and they are all going up to northern cities, blue cities, New York, Chicago.

00:02:20.000 And it turns out that people in those blue cities don't like it very much.

00:02:23.000 You've got governors like Kathy Hochul in New York calling out the Biden administration.

00:02:25.000 You have the governor of Illinois, J.B.

00:02:27.000 Pritzker, and the mayor, Brandon Johnson of Chicago, calling for Joe Biden to fix this thing.

00:02:31.000 Here they were just a couple of days ago.

00:02:34.000 We have to have better coordination with every single level of government, and that includes the state of Texas.

00:02:40.000 There are other things the federal government can do other than sending us money that they haven't yet done.

00:02:45.000 In a letter to President Biden asking for more help, Governor Pritzker says the crisis is overwhelming the state and the city's ability to provide aid.

00:02:56.000 Well, all of this has driven the Biden administration into some dose of reality, or at least it did briefly.

00:03:01.000 There was a brief moment in time, just a couple of days ago, when it appeared that the Biden administration might be shocked into reality, maybe even to stop the overwhelming flow of illegal immigrants at the border.

00:03:09.000 Mayorca said in an official filing in the Federal Register, this is just a couple of days ago, quote, There is presently an acute and immediate need to construct physical barriers and roads in the vicinity of the border of the United States in order to prevent unlawful entries into the United States in the project areas.

00:03:22.000 In order to ensure the expeditious construction of the barriers and roads in the project areas, I have determined that it is necessary to exercise the authority vested in me by Section 102C of the IIRIRA." 0.76

00:03:33.000 Hey, so, he waived regulations in order to make this sort of thing happen.

00:03:37.000 But then, Wokenist snapped back into place like a mousetrap. 1.00

00:03:41.000 There was no way the Biden administration was going to be able to flip this dramatically after claiming that Donald Trump was an evil human rights violator for attempting to build border wall.

00:03:49.000 And so yesterday, Joe Biden, the defunct president of the United States, suggested that actually the border wall won't work, which raises the question as to why then they are building it.

00:04:00.000 But he says, guys, guys, it's still not going to work.

00:04:02.000 I didn't change my mind.

00:04:02.000 It's still not going to work.

00:04:03.000 We're just building it because we have to build it, which is weird since you had to waive 26 regulations in order to build it.

00:04:08.000 Here was Joe Biden yesterday.

00:04:11.000 Do you believe the border wall hurts?

00:04:13.000 No.

00:04:14.000 So then why are you doing it? So why are you doing it? The answer is that he's

00:04:17.000 doing it because he also knows that the consequences of not doing it are really

00:04:21.000 bad politically but he still has to please his left-wing base. He has created

00:04:25.000 a situation in which he is caught between a rock and a hard place.

00:04:29.000 This is a catch-22 for him.

00:04:30.000 And the same way the crime policy is a catch-22.

00:04:32.000 If crime goes out of control, it looks really bad for his administration.

00:04:34.000 If he adds more cops to the streets, it also looks really bad for his administration.

00:04:38.000 Left-wing policy is a failure.

00:04:39.000 When you pursue it to its logical conclusion, which is an open border in this particular case, people don't like it very much.

00:04:44.000 And then you have to backtrack.

00:04:45.000 And then people yell at you for backtracking.

00:04:47.000 And this is what Joe Biden doesn't want.

00:04:48.000 So what exactly is Joe Biden's excuse for having spent the money to, you know, actually build wall?

00:04:53.000 He says the money was appropriated, so he has to spend it.

00:04:56.000 Which, again, is weird from a president of the United States who has unilaterally declared himself the ability to relieve student loan debt to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, for example.

00:05:06.000 But when it comes to money allocated for border wall funding, suddenly, like right now, he discovered that he actually has to spend money that was appropriated in 2019.

00:05:13.000 Strange.

00:05:15.000 The border wall, the money was appropriated for the border wall.

00:05:18.000 I tried to get them to re-appropriate, to redirect that money.

00:05:22.000 They didn't.

00:05:23.000 They wouldn't.

00:05:23.000 And in the meantime, there's nothing under the wall other than they have to use the money for what is appropriate.

00:05:29.000 I can't stop that.

00:05:30.000 Well, I mean, you could.

00:05:31.000 Theoretically, you could say, we couldn't waive the regulations.

00:05:33.000 Sorry.

00:05:35.000 That'd be the easy way to do it.

00:05:36.000 They literally had to waive regulations in order to make this happen.

00:05:38.000 So they could have made the case.

00:05:40.000 Secretary Mayorkas easily could have made the case.

00:05:42.000 Guys, I want to spend the money, but the regulations prevent me from spending the money because obviously I'd be in violation of law if I did spend the money.

00:05:48.000 He's not doing that.

00:05:49.000 He's building the wall.

00:05:50.000 So they want to have it both ways again.

00:05:51.000 They want to build the wall, claim the wall does nothing. 0.90

00:05:53.000 So they can simultaneously claim they're doing something to stop the border flow and also claim to all of their left-wing buddies that actually they still agree with themselves when they took the moronic position that walls do nothing, which of course is silly.

00:06:03.000 Of course walls do something.

00:06:04.000 You wouldn't have a giant fence around the White House if walls did nothing.

00:06:08.000 It's an argument that's beneath contempt that walls do nothing.

00:06:10.000 Of course walls do something.

00:06:11.000 They have for all of human history. 1.00

00:06:13.000 So stupid. 1.00

00:06:14.000 You'll get to more on this in just one second. 1.00

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00:07:20.000 Okay, so Alejandro Mayorkas was then caught off guard by the fact that his own administration had undercut him.

00:07:25.000 So originally he said, we need the wall because, you know, we have a big problem on the border.

00:07:30.000 Then, because Joe Biden decided that he was going to maintain the position

00:07:33.000 that they don't need the wall and walls are bad, he had to walk it back.

00:07:35.000 So here is Mayorkas yesterday walking it back. 0.88

00:07:38.000 From day one.

00:07:39.000 This administration has made clear that a border wall is not the answer.

00:07:44.000 That remains our position, and our position has never wavered.

00:07:49.000 The language in the Federal Register Notice is being taken out of context, and it does not signify any change in policy whatsoever.

00:08:00.000 Oh, it's missing context, is it?

00:08:01.000 You know, the part where you explicitly said that there's an immediate need to build border wall?

00:08:05.000 This follows hard on Mayorkas claiming that it wasn't actually border wall.

00:08:09.000 It was actually just construction along the border.

00:08:10.000 What were they building, like a castle?

00:08:12.000 A miniature golf course?

00:08:13.000 What exactly is it?

00:08:15.000 What would you call the thing that you are building that is a wall?

00:08:20.000 A wall constructed in my administration.

00:08:22.000 So something changed.

00:08:23.000 What?

00:08:24.000 Again, wildly untalented press secretary.

00:08:25.000 So she was asked, you know, what?

00:08:27.000 Why is it that you want to break U.S.

00:08:30.000 law in order to put up the wall and then claim that the wall doesn't doesn't do

00:08:34.000 anything? And she has no answer for this, obviously, because there is no answer

00:08:37.000 because it's really dumb. 0.85

00:08:38.000 A wall constructed in my administration, so something changed. 0.98

00:08:43.000 What you want us to break the law.

00:08:45.000 Is that what you want?

00:08:47.000 You want us to not comply with the law?

00:08:50.000 You want us to not comply with the law?

00:08:53.000 You want us to not be in administrations that follow the rule of law?

00:08:56.000 You guys do this all the time.

00:08:59.000 The student loan forgiveness program.

00:09:01.000 You went to court to fight for that.

00:09:03.000 If this is such a problem, building 20 miles of wall, Why not just go to court?

00:09:07.000 Why not fight them more?

00:09:07.000 Congress appropriates the funding.

00:09:10.000 Congress appropriates the funding.

00:09:13.000 We asked them to not use that funding for that particular purpose.

00:09:18.000 They denied it.

00:09:19.000 And now we're complying with the law.

00:09:21.000 If you have to build a border wall, but you don't think that it's going to work, then

00:09:25.000 once it's done, are you just going to tear it down?

00:09:28.000 I'm not getting into hypotheticals from here.

00:09:30.000 I'm just telling you what I can tell you from here.

00:09:32.000 The facts are that DHS is complying with the law.

00:09:35.000 This is from fiscal year.

00:09:37.000 This was under fiscal year 2019 under Republican leadership and DHS is required to do this.

00:09:42.000 The president asked multiple times of Congress to reappropriate.

00:09:46.000 They did not and we're not complying by the law.

00:09:48.000 Thanks everybody.

00:09:51.000 So much legal compliance from this administration.

00:09:53.000 I mean, if there's one thing we know about this administration, they love complying with the separation of powers in which Congress passes a law and the president signs it and the president abides by that legislation.

00:10:03.000 That is something this administration absolutely adores.

00:10:06.000 They would never do anything unilaterally, like say, I don't know, tell OSHA To cram down a VAX mandate on 80 million Americans.

00:10:12.000 They would never do anything like that.

00:10:14.000 After all, the power of the legislature controls what OSHA can and cannot do.

00:10:18.000 And that's not in the enabling legislation.

00:10:19.000 So obviously they would follow the law.

00:10:21.000 I mean, they would never try to twist the law to relieve hundreds of billions of dollars of student loan debt.

00:10:25.000 Just get rid of it.

00:10:27.000 I mean, they would follow the law, clearly.

00:10:28.000 And just like they are right here, there's an appropriation to build a wall, and so they're just following the law by building the wall.

00:10:34.000 Even if they think it's useless, because that's just what sticklers these people are for the law. 1.00

00:10:37.000 Or they're completely full of crap. 1.00

00:10:39.000 They're completely full of crap! 1.00

00:10:40.000 We all know that they're full of crap. 1.00

00:10:42.000 But this is the problem. 0.99

00:10:43.000 When you take positions that are counter logic and decency, and then the effects of those policies come to fruition, you have to somehow mitigate against your own policies.

00:10:54.000 The reason this is happening is very obvious.

00:10:56.000 You've got people in New York, and people in Chicago, and people in California, and people all over the left wing, the big cities, big blue cities, who are complaining about Joe Biden's illegal immigration problem.

00:11:04.000 And there is a reason, by the way, that Joe Biden is doing this, and that is because his poll numbers absolutely stink.

00:11:10.000 His poll numbers on immigration, they're not just underwater, they're wildly underwater.

00:11:15.000 I mean, insanely underwater.

00:11:17.000 Joe Biden's approval numbers on immigration are like 20%.

00:11:19.000 He has to do something.

00:11:21.000 But at the same time, he doesn't want to tick off that left-wing base.

00:11:23.000 And what's amazing to me is that he is so attached to that left-wing base.

00:11:26.000 Why?

00:11:27.000 Are they going to go vote for Donald Trump?

00:11:29.000 Obviously not.

00:11:30.000 Are they going to stay home if Trump is on the ballot?

00:11:32.000 Obviously not.

00:11:34.000 But he feels the necessity, he really does, to cater to that activist base.

00:11:37.000 And who is that activist base?

00:11:38.000 It's not black people in America's major cities who are overwhelmingly in favor of less illegal migration.

00:11:43.000 It's not even Latinos in America who are overwhelmingly in favor of less illegal migration.

00:11:47.000 It is woke white liberals living in upper class suburbs who never have to deal with the consequences and the minute you ship them to Martha's Vineyards, then all of a sudden they're starting to freak out and complain.

00:11:57.000 But, until then, they're very happy to put up their lawn signs, their virtue signaling lawn signs.

00:12:02.000 Man, the Democratic Party policy is a disaster area.

00:12:05.000 And Republicans could point that out if they weren't in the middle of a speakership battle,

00:12:09.000 which they declared on themselves.

00:12:11.000 Because that is definitely the best way to fight a war, is if you're in the middle of

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00:13:26.000 Okay, so meanwhile, while Democrats are declaring war on themselves over whether to build a border wall or not, the Republicans are declaring war on themselves with regard to this speakership battle in a fascinating new twist to the speakership battle.

00:13:39.000 Apparently, the Republicans are now going to hold a speakership debate, apparently televised, which... Okay.

00:13:47.000 All right.

00:13:49.000 Here's my objection to this.

00:13:51.000 My only objection, I'm all for transparency, but who Republicans elect in a closed caucus to lead their caucus really should not be a matter of public scrutiny nearly as much as, you know, you voting for your local congressperson.

00:14:03.000 The reason I say this is because how the sausage gets made is very different than how people tell you the sausage gets made On talk radio.

00:14:11.000 On talk radio, what I do for a living, I'm going to give you the purest, most conservative perspective.

00:14:15.000 Because that's what I get to do.

00:14:16.000 I mean, I'm lucky.

00:14:17.000 I don't have to make the sausage.

00:14:18.000 But behind the closed doors, obviously there's wheeling and dealing.

00:14:22.000 Trades get made.

00:14:23.000 But the problem is, that incentive structure is completely skewed.

00:14:25.000 You can't actually get the deal done.

00:14:26.000 You can't elect a speaker.

00:14:28.000 Unless there are some deals that are getting made behind closed doors.

00:14:32.000 This, for example, is one of the problems with the Republican fight against earmarks.

00:14:35.000 So for years and years and years, Republicans have said, quite correctly, on principle, earmarks are really bad.

00:14:39.000 They are.

00:14:40.000 They're really bad.

00:14:41.000 Earmarks are the system whereby there's a bill, it's coming through, and I attach a rider for my district.

00:14:45.000 And I say, I'm only going to vote in favor of this bill if you build the Ben Shapiro post office in my district.

00:14:50.000 It's really bad because if everybody does that, you end up spending a lot of money. 0.93

00:14:53.000 The problem is if nobody does that, you don't pass any bills and you end up with a giant omnibus package that only gets support because it's a giant crap sandwich anyway.

00:15:01.000 Usually a larger crap sandwich than would have been attained with a few simple earmarks. 0.96

00:15:06.000 So again, the sausage making process is really ugly. 0.86

00:15:09.000 Televising all of that And that's a great way of prolonging the speaker chaos, I suppose, because you're going to end up with a segment that is very pro-Jim Jordan.

00:15:18.000 You're going to end up with a segment that is very pro-Kevin Hearn, for example.

00:15:21.000 This is what's going to happen.

00:15:23.000 Because it's not as though any one of these candidates is completely dominant.

00:15:26.000 So, the three big candidates who have been mentioned at this point are Steve Scalise, Jim Jordan, and Republican Study Committee Chair Kevin Hearn of Oklahoma.

00:15:33.000 Apparently, according to Punchbowl News, Fox News' Brett Baier is going to host a closed debate and discussion between the GOP candidates for Speaker on Monday night, according to a source involved with the planning.

00:15:42.000 And then later, it came out, apparently, that they're going to televise that, which, I mean, it's going to be very...

00:15:49.000 If you are running for Speaker of the House, now you're basically kind of running for President, right?

00:15:52.000 Not formally, but you're getting in front of the American people and the Republican base and showing who has most fealty to conservative principles.

00:15:59.000 The problem is that you can show that fealty, but the system constrains you from actually achieving those goals.

00:16:05.000 You make the biggest promise.

00:16:06.000 You can promise everything to everybody.

00:16:07.000 Two minutes from now, everybody's gonna be real disappointed when we hit the end of the continuing resolution and somebody cuts a deal, which is exactly what's going to happen, as we all know.

00:16:15.000 Anyway, Republicans are going to host that candidate forum Tuesday night and the closed party election on Wednesday.

00:16:20.000 There is no timeline for electing a speaker on the House floor.

00:16:24.000 This thing is probably going to continue for a number of days.

00:16:27.000 Donald Trump, for his part, after originally recommending Kevin McCarthy for the post, McCarthy was very pro-Trump, and then doing nothing to stop Kevin McCarthy from falling.

00:16:37.000 Donald Trump is now endorsing Jim Jordan for Speaker, which is fine.

00:16:41.000 I really like Jim Jordan.

00:16:42.000 I think he's terrific.

00:16:43.000 The head of the House Oversight Committee.

00:16:46.000 Again, I don't know why anyone wants this job.

00:16:48.000 Most of the time, so in any case, Donald Trump is now endorsing Jim Jordan for Speaker, which

00:16:52.000 is fine.

00:16:53.000 I really like Jim Jordan.

00:16:54.000 I think he's terrific.

00:16:55.000 The head of the House Oversight Committee.

00:16:56.000 Again, I don't know why anyone wants this job.

00:16:58.000 It's a terrible job, but Jim Jordan is an excellent candidate.

00:17:01.000 He's one of the founders of the House Freedom Caucus.

00:17:02.000 He's extremely conservative across the board.

00:17:04.000 And as far as Trump goes, he's a big Trump backer.

00:17:06.000 Now, the problem is, of course, we're also in the middle of an open primary inside the Republican Party.

00:17:10.000 While Trump is way in front in that primary, he still represents about half of the Republican Party, and the other half of the Republican Party is split among a myriad of candidates.

00:17:18.000 So Trump's endorsement is not sure to guarantee that somehow Jordan becomes the guy.

00:17:24.000 Especially because there's a whole wing of moderates in the party who may not be in love with Jim Jordan.

00:17:30.000 Kevin McCarthy.

00:17:32.000 People ripped him for not having centralizing principles.

00:17:35.000 And to a certain extent, there's some truth to that because he's a consummate politician.

00:17:38.000 And you kind of have to be in order to be Speaker of the House and broker some sort of agreement between all these disparate groups.

00:17:43.000 You can't really be a guy who has sort of hard and fast principles unless you're going to be a dictator like Newt Gingrich was very early on when he was Speaker of the House.

00:17:50.000 And then he ended up being defenestrated anyway after a certain point.

00:17:54.000 Being an idealist and being Speaker of the House are usually not things that go together.

00:17:57.000 This is why Mitch McConnell is a very effective Senate Majority Leader, but not the most ideological politician.

00:18:03.000 Usually, these two things are in conflict.

00:18:05.000 If you want to be particularly effective as a legislature, as a legislator, usually that means not being a purist.

00:18:09.000 In any case, Jim Jordan is more of a purist than a lot of people in moderate districts in New York, maybe, who might not love Jim Jordan.

00:18:15.000 Steve Scalise is considered, again, sort of the party favorite in the sense that he's not coming in from the outside.

00:18:21.000 He was a second-in-command to Kevin McCarthy.

00:18:24.000 There are health concerns about Steve Scalise.

00:18:27.000 There's now been some talk, believe it or not, about Patrick McHenry, possibly.

00:18:32.000 Not because Patrick McHenry actually has a lot of backing, but because he's the speaker pro tem, so he's sort of just sitting there already.

00:18:37.000 In order for any sort of speakership vote to happen, the big thing that's going to have to happen is they're going to have to change the motion to vacate rule.

00:18:47.000 The motion to vacate rule, which is a concession made by Kevin McCarthy to the Matt Gaetz wing of the party, was that he would allow anyone, like a single person, to bring a motion to vacate the chair if they didn't like what he was doing.

00:18:57.000 And that basically set the stage For him being ousted at any point because he has a very, very narrow House majority.

00:19:01.000 All it took was basically five Republicans voting against him and he would lose his speakership even if the other 97% of the caucus was in favor of Kevin McCarthy.

00:19:09.000 And in fact, that's what happened.

00:19:11.000 So in order for any new speaker to be elected and then have any power at all, that motion to vacate is going to have to be changed.

00:19:16.000 And according to Punchbowl, that's exactly what's happening.

00:19:19.000 45 House Republicans, including several power players, have written a letter to the conference effectively demanding changes to the motion to vacate rule that cost McCarthy his job.

00:19:27.000 A few members who signed this letter said they're not willing to endorse anybody for Speaker until the motion to vacate is overhauled.

00:19:31.000 Those names include Representative Stephanie Bice of Oklahoma, Dusty Johnson of South Dakota, Representative Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, Garrett Graves of Louisiana, Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Mike McCaul of Texas, and Ways and Means Committee Chair Jason Smith of Missouri.

00:19:43.000 Again, that's a big faction.

00:19:44.000 That's 45 people.

00:19:46.000 There's even some talk that McCarthy might get a second go-round here, although I think that that is very unlikely at this point.

00:19:53.000 Meanwhile, the question is whether any of these people are going to be able to raise a lot of money.

00:19:57.000 Steve Scalise has.

00:19:58.000 He's raised about $170 million to support various Republicans over the last decade.

00:20:02.000 Scalise raised more in the last cycle, 53 million, than Jordan raised over the last decade, 38 million.

00:20:07.000 So that's going to be a major concern.

00:20:08.000 Again, being Speaker of the House is not the same as being most ideologically pure.

00:20:11.000 Usually it's the guy who can cut deals and get people elected.

00:20:14.000 But this is a pretty significant mess.

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00:21:24.000 As we've been saying, in order for any speaker to be able to run the house, he's going to have to have some level of authority over the members of his own caucus.

00:21:30.000 This is what Representative Johnson was saying, Dusty Johnson of South Dakota, he's saying, you know, we've got a bunch of foundational problems here, and if we don't fix those before a new speaker is named, they're just going to continue.

00:21:40.000 Let me just lay it out there.

00:21:41.000 Cut to the chase.

00:21:42.000 Who are you with in the speaker battle?

00:21:45.000 Oh, I'm not with anybody yet.

00:21:47.000 I think that we've got a lot of questions we need these candidates to answer. 0.99

00:21:52.000 In part because if we don't change the foundational problems within our conference, it's just going to be the same stupid clown car with a different driver. 0.99

00:22:02.000 I mean, and that is correct. 0.98

00:22:04.000 If these rules happen to not grant the speaker enough power to actually keep his caucus in line, they're not getting anything done.

00:22:11.000 Obviously, there have to be consequences for stepping out of line.

00:22:14.000 It's very funny to me that a lot of people are very happy about Kevin McCarthy getting ousted are a lot of the same people who are very upset at rogues like John McCain in the United States Senate.

00:22:22.000 I agree with them about John McCain, but the whole point is you can't actually pass anything unless you keep your majority in line.

00:22:28.000 And so if you remove all the consequences that are available to keep people in line, they will not stay in line.

00:22:33.000 You'll have a collective action problem.

00:22:35.000 Representative Max Miller, Republican of Ohio, he says, listen, if we keep fighting each other here, I'm not hopeful we're even going to be able to keep the majority.

00:22:43.000 I'm going to stand here and tell you by the actions that have taken place this week, I'm not hopeful to keep the majority.

00:22:48.000 I'm not hopeful to win back the Senate.

00:22:49.000 You know, I spoke to President Trump three times yesterday, and I explained to him that there could be a coalition government that would happen.

00:22:57.000 And throughout that process, you know what we would lose in the House of Representatives?

00:23:00.000 What did Trump say when you told him all this stuff?

00:23:02.000 He's incredibly upset.

00:23:04.000 This is where I'd love to get to my point, Manu, about Matt Gaetz using the MAGA cloak to go ahead and to post content on Twitter with no context To make it seem as if he has President Trump's support.

00:23:15.000 And he paints it in the most broad strokes possible.

00:23:18.000 That's why he's so good at what he does, is because he's a BS artist.

00:23:22.000 Okay, so Matt Gaetz is trying to fight back against that perception by doing something that I will say is clever.

00:23:28.000 So he is saying, okay, I'm going to negotiate on the motion to vacate.

00:23:31.000 He says, my GOP colleagues want to raise the threshold on the motion to vacate.

00:23:34.000 Here's a question for them.

00:23:35.000 If we enact the reforms laid out by Representative Ro Khanna, who's a Democrat from California, nice guy, I've interviewed Ro before, how high would you like the MTV threshold to be?

00:23:43.000 I'll basically give you whatever you want for this stuff.

00:23:45.000 What exactly is that stuff?

00:23:47.000 A ban on congressional stock trading.

00:23:49.000 Which makes sense to me.

00:23:50.000 Put everything into a blind trust.

00:23:53.000 Make some sort of consequence.

00:23:54.000 You can't involve yourself in it.

00:23:55.000 12-year term limit for Congress and a ban on political donations from lobbyists or PACs.

00:24:00.000 Now, we know that this is going nowhere.

00:24:02.000 Okay, like those last two things are going nowhere.

00:24:04.000 And the reason those are going nowhere is because there are a bunch of people sitting in Congress right now who are beyond the 12-year term limit.

00:24:08.000 You're going to open up a bunch of safe districts for Republicans to challenge.

00:24:11.000 So there's that.

00:24:12.000 As far as the ban on political donations from lobbyists or PACs, Um, I'm just wondering, if Republicans enact that and Democrats do not, how is that going to work out?

00:24:21.000 So he's saying he's going to change the motion to vacate rules.

00:24:24.000 If there's a ban on political donations from lobbyists or PACs, for whom?

00:24:28.000 For just Republicans?

00:24:29.000 Because that seems like shooting yourself directly in the face.

00:24:32.000 Again, I'm perfectly willing to hear Matt Gaetz's list of demands, but if the idea is that all lobbyists and PAC donations go away.

00:24:39.000 By the way, all a PAC donation is, that is like a group of people who get together and they put together a political actions committee, and then they spend money on behalf of a candidate.

00:24:47.000 If Republicans take that off the table, and then they let Democrats do it, how exactly is that advantageous for Republicans attempting to win?

00:24:54.000 I just like lobbyists as much as the next guy, but the notion that Democrats are going to continue doing this and Republicans are going to stop doing this, it puts you at an inherent disadvantage electorally.

00:25:04.000 Like, are Democrats going to vote to do this overall?

00:25:08.000 And how exactly would that tie into Republican attempts to get a speaker to push that?

00:25:12.000 Like, what Matt Gaetz has already shown is that Republicans can push stuff, and if Democrats don't go along with it, Matt Gaetz blames the Republicans anyway.

00:25:19.000 He did this with regard to border security.

00:25:21.000 He literally got up the other day and he's like, you guys say that you passed a harsh border security regimen, why didn't you see that become law?

00:25:27.000 Right, because there's a Democratic Senate and a Democratic president. 1.00

00:25:29.000 And both those institutions continue to maintain that walls don't do things, so I don't understand.

00:25:36.000 So if Matt Gaetz wants to put forward a list...

00:25:39.000 The actual achievable things that don't actively damage the Republican Party's ability to beat Democrats.

00:25:44.000 I'm happy to hear it.

00:25:45.000 I said this before with Chip Roy was doing this against Kevin McCarthy, which he did earlier in the year.

00:25:50.000 And then he named a bunch of concessions.

00:25:51.000 I'm all in favor of that.

00:25:52.000 That's fine.

00:25:53.000 But if these concessions are non doable concessions, the Democrats take advantage of, I'm not sure how that exactly is a big win and how it's not exactly posturing.

00:26:01.000 Again, all of this puts whoever is running for speaker in a pretty major jam here.

00:26:06.000 Because, for example, Jim Jordan, he has come forward and he says, we're not going to go to a vote without 218, right?

00:26:11.000 We're going to need 218 in order to go forward with a vote.

00:26:13.000 We're not even going to have a vote on the Speaker until we've already decided behind closed doors who's the Speaker.

00:26:19.000 It has to happen.

00:26:19.000 We shouldn't go to the House floor until we have 218 votes for the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives.

00:26:25.000 We shouldn't have to go through what we did back in January.

00:26:28.000 I'm all for that.

00:26:29.000 I think I can bring our team together to accomplish that.

00:26:32.000 And more importantly, once we get that done, to do the work that needs to be done on the border, on crime, on inflation, on all these issues we have to address, I think I can do that.

00:26:42.000 That's why I decided to run.

00:26:45.000 I mean, under what conditions is the big question.

00:26:47.000 Under what conditions?

00:26:48.000 What actually gets hammered out here is going to define whether the Alastair McCarthy was good or bad.

00:26:53.000 And it seems like there was no plan in Alastair McCarthy.

00:26:55.000 So maybe it ends up okay anyway.

00:26:56.000 Everybody scrambles and they end up coming with some sort of agreement.

00:26:58.000 If that's the case, then credit to Gates.

00:27:01.000 But if it doesn't end up that way, if it's just sheer chaos, or if we end up back in the same situation with an incredibly weak speaker unable to keep his own people in line, then Democrats are going to win. 0.97

00:27:10.000 Because again, if you look as though you're running a clown car, people will vote for Democrats even if their policies are absolute sheer garbage. 0.82

00:27:17.000 The one good piece of news here is that Donald Trump, who was speculating just a few moments ago about possibly running for Speaker himself, at least he has stopped that nonsense. 1.00

00:27:25.000 That was dumb. 0.96

00:27:26.000 I'm not even sure why people were considering that. 0.98

00:27:27.000 There's an active House rule right now on the Republican side that if you're under an active indictment, you can't be House Speaker.

00:27:32.000 Trump's under multiple active indictments right now.

00:27:34.000 They would have changed the rule.

00:27:35.000 It would have been super awkward.

00:27:36.000 I don't know who thought that Trump had the skill set to be Speaker of the House anyway.

00:27:40.000 It would have been very strange.

00:27:41.000 But at least that's off the table when Trump endorses Jordan.

00:27:45.000 So good for Trump for endorsing somebody at this point.

00:27:48.000 One of the ways you can tell that Jordan is a good candidate is how much the left hates him.

00:27:51.000 Sunny Hostin of The View. 0.80

00:27:52.000 She says that Jim Jordan is a terrorist. 0.96

00:27:54.000 Literally a terrorist. 0.68

00:27:55.000 Why?

00:27:55.000 Is he strapping dynamite to himself?

00:27:57.000 No, he was mean to her one time. 0.88

00:27:59.000 I will just say about Jim Jordan, he has been called by his own party, by John Boehner, a political terrorist.

00:28:08.000 He's also been linked to the Ohio State sexual abuse scandal.

00:28:11.000 I testified in front of Congress about something so simple, cameras in courtrooms.

00:28:16.000 He came in late.

00:28:18.000 He looked disheveled, and he immediately was screaming and yelling and terrorized me and the other experts on the panel.

00:28:29.000 And describing him as a terrorist is exactly that.

00:28:32.000 He's a chaos agent, and it came out of nowhere.

00:28:35.000 And he had no command of the subject that we were talking about, which made it even scarier.

00:28:40.000 So to have him, the thought of him being the Speaker of the House, I think leads to more chaos.

00:28:46.000 But his role model is Donald Trump, who has no command of the language either.

00:28:52.000 Okay, Joy Behar ripping people for lack of command of the English language. 0.72

00:28:56.000 And it's like watching a dog try to explain to a human, you know, how language ought to work.

00:29:02.000 You're mostly just amazed that the dog can speak English at this point.

00:29:05.000 Like Joy Behar ripping people for command of the English language. 0.94

00:29:09.000 Good stuff right there.

00:29:11.000 Again, that is the single best case for Jim Jordan I've heard.

00:29:13.000 Now, here is the awkward thing.

00:29:15.000 Here's the awkward thing.

00:29:16.000 Whatever deal gets cut, the Republican Party is going to have to now actually reestablish itself as a party.

00:29:22.000 We've spent the last 15 years in the Republican Party ripping power away from the people at the top of the Republican Party.

00:29:27.000 That has come with a couple of benefits and some pretty significant costs.

00:29:30.000 The benefits are that the Republican Party has gotten more right-wing, or at least it did briefly when it came to, for example, spending.

00:29:36.000 The Tea Party movement, which I thought was terrific, I was a part of it, called on Congress to actually push back on spending.

00:29:42.000 The problem is that when you take away the leadership of the institutions and you simply destroy them and you say that pretty much every you create a roiling boiling pot inside, for example, the Republican Party and the Republican Party infrastructure has no power to actually dictate Well, at that point, what you end up with is endless chaos.

00:30:02.000 It's so funny.

00:30:02.000 Republicans will look at Nancy Pelosi, on the one hand, with deep and abiding hatred for her policies, and on the other hand, with a bit of admiration for the fact that she's kept her caucus together.

00:30:11.000 I mean, we say this all the time.

00:30:12.000 Nancy Pelosi is obviously good at her job. 1.00

00:30:14.000 She had a fractious caucus. 0.95

00:30:15.000 She kept it together.

00:30:16.000 How?

00:30:17.000 Because she crammed down on them. 0.90

00:30:18.000 She said, listen, I'm not going to give you money.

00:30:20.000 I'm going to find people to primary you.

00:30:22.000 I'm going to threaten your committee memberships.

00:30:24.000 I'm going to run this place like a dictatorship.

00:30:26.000 This is not a democracy.

00:30:27.000 This is not a group of people getting together late night at the club and figuring things out with comedy.

00:30:32.000 This is me running the place.

00:30:34.000 And so you can't have it both ways.

00:30:36.000 Either you want to fight Nancy Pelosi, which requires a national consolidation of power around institutions with leadership, or you want to argue amongst yourselves in the name of principle and then lose to people like Nancy Pelosi.

00:30:46.000 Which is why there are going to have to be some sort of tools that are put in the hands of the House leadership that are going to allow punishment for the members.

00:30:55.000 Now, right now, I understand everybody's running for Speaker.

00:30:57.000 And so, at the moment, it's going to be all of them basically appealing to the better angels of nature, right?

00:31:02.000 So, you have Jim Jordan, for example, defending Matt Gaetz from the calls for expulsion.

00:31:06.000 There have been some members of the Republican caucus who have said that what he did here is ridiculous.

00:31:09.000 They should expel him from the caucus.

00:31:11.000 I don't think you expel him from the caucus when you have a four-seat majority.

00:31:14.000 But the basic notion here, that going forward, the leadership will not have the tools to punish people.

00:31:21.000 How exactly are you going to operate it, then?

00:31:23.000 How exactly are you going to operate it?

00:31:25.000 So right now, one of the people who's coming under even greater fire than Matt Gaetz in some ways is Nancy Mays.

00:31:30.000 She joined for no reason anyone can explain seven hardliners in ousting McCarthy.

00:31:35.000 She is, at best, a moderate Republican, particularly on abortion.

00:31:40.000 It shocked everybody when she joined to oust McCarthy.

00:31:43.000 According to Politico, McCarthy and Mace didn't always see eye-to-eye, but the California Republican had helped Mace secure her seat in Congress by pumping millions of dollars into her once-struggling campaign.

00:31:51.000 Mace has moved to aggressively fundraise off of her vote to balance McCarthy as only intensifying her colleagues' anger towards her.

00:31:58.000 For Mace, the anti-McCarthy vote may prove a purposeful step in a chameleonic career that's already seen her swing repeatedly between Trump-centric conservative and establishment-bucking centrism.

00:32:06.000 Mace is making clear her vote for Speaker is up for the taking by either Steve Scalise or Representative Jim Jordan.

00:32:12.000 Elsewhere in the GOP, revenge is on the menu.

00:32:13.000 House Republicans are now weighing to expel Mace from at least two centrist-leaning groups she belonged to in the first place.

00:32:19.000 That follows hard on a very awkward appearance for Nancy Mace on CNN, where she was sending out fundraising emails in the middle of the Astro McCarthy and she was asked on CNN, uh, you ripped Matt Gaetz for doing exactly the same thing earlier this year.

00:32:32.000 I'm asking people to go to my website at nancymace.org to help me to show their support because there are folks that are coming after me tonight.

00:32:42.000 I'm glad you brought that up because back in January when there were the marathon votes for Kevin McCarthy to get this job, he was fighting to take the gavel, this is something that you said.

00:32:52.000 Matt Gaetz is a fraud.

00:32:53.000 Every time he voted against Kevin McCarthy last week, he sent out a fundraising email.

00:32:58.000 What you saw last week was a constitutional process diminished by those kinds of political actions.

00:33:05.000 Of course, now here we are in October.

00:33:08.000 You and Congressman Gaetz are in agreement on at least ousting McCarthy.

00:33:11.000 You were on a podcast together today.

00:33:13.000 You yourself have been fundraising off that vote.

00:33:16.000 How do you explain that to now?

00:33:21.000 Well, I have not been fundraising off of this every step of the way.

00:33:24.000 I made my decision last night.

00:33:26.000 I made the decision to fundraise over the last 24 hours because of the threats that I have received over fundraising and money drying up, which is why I need help.

00:33:36.000 Okay, so here's the deal.

00:33:38.000 Republicans, whoever takes over, is going to have to have some tools at their disposal.

00:33:42.000 By the way, a government shutdown is still a possibility about 40 days from now.

00:33:46.000 They have to figure this thing out really quick.

00:33:48.000 They have to figure out a new speaker.

00:33:49.000 They have to figure out what their approach is going to be on this government shutdown.

00:33:51.000 They need to do all of that, like, forthwith.

00:33:55.000 Brian Reidel, a former aide to Senator Rob Portman of Ohio, who's now at the Manhattan Institute, said it becomes substantially harder to do a government spending deal because the message has been sent that Republicans should not rely on Democrats to pass any bills.

00:34:04.000 Things can always get worse.

00:34:06.000 The no-compromise fringe has been strongly empowered and essentially has a veto over House Republican policy, which can't be squared with what Democrats in the White House want.

00:34:13.000 So if we end up with a government shutdown in the middle of bad economic news, I'll bring you some of that news in just a moment, and it's because Republicans are smacking each other in the back of the head, how are voters going to take that in the next congressional election?

00:34:23.000 Again, we ought to have a little bit of vision beyond the next five minutes.

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00:35:49.000 Okay, meanwhile, the Biden economy here is on very thin footing.

00:35:54.000 Mohamed El-Erian, who I really trust as an analyst on this sort of stuff, he says that the possibility of avoiding a hard landing here is really, really decreasing pretty significantly.

00:36:04.000 He has a piece over the Financial Times pointing this out.

00:36:06.000 He says the economy is likely to weaken as markets internalize the significant likelihood that rates will stay higher for longer.

00:36:12.000 He says an intense period of rising interest rates, high oil prices, and a stronger dollar is pushing the financial market consensus on U.S.

00:36:17.000 economic growth away from the comforting notion of a soft landing.

00:36:20.000 By my count, this will be the sixth time in the past 15 months that conventional wisdom shifts for the world's most influential economy.

00:36:25.000 It's a pivot that unfortunately is likely to stick for longer this time around, threatening what has been an impressively strong U.S.

00:36:30.000 economy, undermining genuine financial stability and exporting volatility to the rest of the world.

00:36:35.000 In just the last two weeks, the yield on the benchmark U.S.

00:36:37.000 10-year bond has risen by some 0.5 percentage points to around 4.8% as part of a comprehensive shift in the entire interest rate structure.

00:36:44.000 The move brought the change in yields to an eye-popping one percentage point since the end of June, leading to higher borrowing rates for companies, more burdensome car loans for households, more pronounced and uneven deposit outflows from the banking system as investors shift cash into money market accounts.

00:36:56.000 Notably, the cost of a 30-year mortgage is up to 8%, making already expensive home purchases even less affordable.

00:37:03.000 Pushing yields up in an increasingly disorderly manner is a combination of markets recognizing that the higher policy rates set by the Fed will be here for a while and the need to absorb a significant supply of treasury bonds due to large budgetary deficit.

00:37:13.000 Plus, there's high oil prices.

00:37:15.000 These are developments that the economy and markets do not enjoy.

00:37:18.000 They damp growth.

00:37:18.000 They increase the threat of stagflation.

00:37:20.000 And that continues to be a serious threat.

00:37:22.000 There's a jobs report that at first glance looks really, really nice.

00:37:24.000 A jobs report in September that showed 336,000 jobs added, but If the idea was that the economy is overheated and that we've spent too much money and that the economy needs to be cooled, then adding 336,000 jobs, that's a very high rate, and doing that without really increasing the labor force participation rate in any serious way, which just means that, you know, basically the same percentage of people are in the labor force who were in the labor force before,

00:37:51.000 Continuing that sort of thing is not going to lead the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates.

00:37:56.000 They're going to increase interest rates again.

00:37:59.000 According to ABC News being a little optimistic, it's possible the cooling of pay growth may help reassure the Fed's inflation fighters who are scrutinizing every scrap of data to determine whether to raise their key rate again this year still.

00:38:08.000 The outside's job growth may stoke worries the economy will expand too fast for inflation to cool.

00:38:12.000 If they think, if people think, by the way, that the rates are going to go up on bonds, for example, what does that do?

00:38:17.000 It drives the bond yield up.

00:38:18.000 The price on the bonds that we have already released into the market is going to go down.

00:38:22.000 As those bond yields increase, that means eventually people are going to shift their money out of stocks and into these very high yield bonds.

00:38:28.000 When they do that, the stock market is going to stagnate.

00:38:30.000 Already, earnings are threatened.

00:38:32.000 So again, we are in A really tenterhook situation on the economy.

00:38:38.000 What Joe Biden, I think, might be waiting for here, frankly, is for Republicans to shut down the government.

00:38:42.000 If they shut down the government, at least he can blame his failing economy on somebody who is not him.

00:38:46.000 This is just another reason why Republicans need to be smart and strategic about this sort of stuff, as opposed to grandstanding and creating a new speaker who has no power to actually cudgel his own members into line.

00:38:56.000 Because, let's be real about this, the idea that you're going to pass a party-line budget without any ability to cudgel your own members into line, that's going to be a very difficult thing to do, particularly in the face of a Democratic Senate.

00:39:06.000 And meanwhile, Hillary Clinton, she just comes out of the woodwork every so often to really wreck American politics further. 1.00

00:39:14.000 I don't know why she's still on the TVs, but she is.

00:39:17.000 She has now called for the formal deprogramming of MAGA members.

00:39:21.000 They're in a cult, you see. 0.98

00:39:22.000 If you're a Democrat, and you cultishly and slavishly worship Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, or now an elderly dotard who has the inability to speak from his facehole, then that's because you're normal. 0.93

00:39:32.000 But if you're a Trump fan, or even if you're not a Trump fan, but you voted for him, this means that you are a MAGA member who must be deprogrammed. 0.56

00:39:39.000 I mean, we had very strong partisans in both parties in the past.

00:39:44.000 And we had very bitter battles over all kinds of things, gun control and climate change and the economy and taxes.

00:39:51.000 But there wasn't this little tale of extremism waving, you know, wagging the dog of the Republican Party as it is today.

00:40:01.000 And sadly, so many of those extremists, those mega extremists, take their marching orders from Donald Trump, who Has no credibility left by any measure.

00:40:14.000 He's only in it for himself.

00:40:16.000 He's now defending himself in civil actions and criminal actions.

00:40:20.000 And when do they break with him?

00:40:21.000 You know, because at some point, you know, maybe there needs to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members, but something needs to happen.

00:40:31.000 What does that mean, a formal deprogramming of the cult members?

00:40:34.000 Does that sound fascistic to you?

00:40:35.000 It sounds fascistic to me.

00:40:36.000 Are you talking about fun adult camps like she once talked about?

00:40:39.000 Re-education camps?

00:40:40.000 What would formal deprogramming even look like from Hillary Clinton? 0.99

00:40:45.000 This should be frightening.

00:40:46.000 It should be particularly frightening given the fact that according to Newsweek, the federal government believes the threat of violence and major civil disturbances around the 2024 U.S.

00:40:53.000 presidential election is so great, it has quietly created a new category of extremists it seeks to track and counter, Donald Trump's army of MAGA followers.

00:41:01.000 The FBI, apparently, is going to pursue and prevent what it calls domestic terrorism without direct reference to political parties or affiliations, but the vast majority of its current anti-government investigations are of Trump supporters, according to classified data obtained by Newsweek.

00:41:16.000 A current FBI official says the FBI is in an almost impossible situation.

00:41:20.000 The FBI is intent on stopping domestic terrorism in any repeat of January 6th, but they're focusing on former President Trump and his MAGA supporters.

00:41:27.000 This is what they are doing right now.

00:41:28.000 Newsweek spoke to over a dozen current or former government officials specializing in terrorism in a three-month investigation to understand the current domestic security landscape and to evaluate what Biden is doing about what he calls domestic terrorism.

00:41:40.000 And they've been looking at secret FBI and DHS data, tracking incidents, threats, investigations, and cases.

00:41:47.000 It seems as though they are cracking down on MAGA members.

00:41:51.000 Presumably at the behest of President Biden, who tweeted out last September, Donald Trump and MAGA Republicans are a threat to the very soul of this country.

00:41:59.000 So that means the people who oppose Joe Biden need deprogramming.

00:42:02.000 The FBI needs to target them.

00:42:05.000 All of this should scare the living hell out of you.

00:42:06.000 And it's not just, by the way, that they are targeting the common Donald Trump voter.

00:42:09.000 They're also targeting anybody who's just heterodox.

00:42:11.000 The Biden administration, meanwhile, continues to target Elon Musk.

00:42:14.000 How many agencies are targeting Elon Musk at this point?

00:42:17.000 We've got the SEC, which is targeting him.

00:42:20.000 We've got the FTC, which is targeting him.

00:42:22.000 That the NLRB, I believe, is targeting him.

00:42:24.000 It's just like every agency of the federal government is now targeting Elon Musk.

00:42:27.000 That's weird.

00:42:28.000 Why is that happening?

00:42:29.000 I can't imagine.

00:42:29.000 Other than that he has heterodox political opinions.

00:42:32.000 The SEC said Thursday it is seeking another court order that would compel Elon Musk to testify as part of an investigation into his purchase of Twitter, now called X. The SEC said in a filing in a San Francisco federal court, Musk failed to appear for testimony on September 15th, despite an investigative subpoena served by the SEC and having raised no objections at the time it was served.

00:42:49.000 But two days before scheduled testimony, Musk abruptly notified the SEC staff he would not appear.

00:42:54.000 The SEC said it has been conducting a fact-finding investigation involving the period before Musk's takeover last year when Twitter was still publicly traded.

00:43:01.000 The agency said it has not concluded that anyone violated federal securities laws.

00:43:04.000 They're just investigating, you know, for the fun of it and for the hell of it.

00:43:07.000 By the way, why would you investigate Elon Musk for buying Twitter and turning it into X?

00:43:12.000 By pretty much every available account, he has lost tens of billions of dollars in that transaction.

00:43:16.000 So what exactly is the horrible thing that he did when he took the hit?

00:43:21.000 The answer, of course, is that put pressure on Musk and hope to shut him up is the basic idea.

00:43:25.000 Hillary Clinton, of course, spells that one out once again. 0.93

00:43:27.000 She says, you know, we need these big platforms to do what Hillary Clinton wants them to do.

00:43:31.000 People from all walks of life are mounting a massive resistance to autocracy, to the oppression of women and girls, to irresponsible big tech companies whose platforms are absolutely rife with misogyny and sexism and viral attacks on women in the public sphere.

00:43:54.000 So we're trying to tell a different story, a different narrative for the future by not only standing up for democracy, human rights and progress, but highlighting women who are doing it in their lives every single day.

00:44:11.000 So it's the big platforms that are to blame, obviously, says Hillary Clinton. 0.97

00:44:14.000 And we all know which platforms she's talking about right there.

00:44:17.000 So, Elon Musk tweeted out, He says the probability of it happening is 100%.

00:44:20.000 Well, we can only hope and pray that that is true, because the threats against Musk have been pretty extraordinary.

00:44:22.000 against those individuals who have abused their regulatory power for personal and political gain

00:44:26.000 can't wait for this to happen. He says the probability of it happening is 100%. Well,

00:44:30.000 we can only hope and pray that that is true because the threats against Musk have been

00:44:34.000 pretty extraordinary. Okay, meanwhile, it's time for some things I like and some things that I hate.

00:44:40.000 So, let's begin with a quick thing that I like from my colleague Candace Owen.

00:44:44.000 So, Candace recently spoke at a campus, I'm not sure which campus this was, and she was hit with the usual question, which is some activist got up, a trans LGBTQ plus divided by sign activist, and said, why are you hurting my feelings?

00:44:56.000 And hats off to Candace for this excellent response. 0.91

00:45:01.000 Hello.

00:45:01.000 What do you have to say to the trans students on this campus who actively feel victimized by your presence here today?

00:45:08.000 Life's tough.

00:45:08.000 Get a helmet, man.

00:45:09.000 I'm too pregnant for this.

00:45:11.000 Next question.

00:45:16.000 Yep, that is right.

00:45:18.000 By the way, I love the, I'm too pregnant for this line.

00:45:21.000 Candace, you know, again, showing her status as a birthing person.

00:45:25.000 How dare she?

00:45:26.000 But that's where Candace is at her best. 1.00

00:45:28.000 Okay, other things that I like.

00:45:29.000 So obviously, I was on a very long plane ride over the course of the evening, and I got a chance to watch a movie that I had not seen when it came out in about 2010, but it's excellent.

00:45:36.000 It's called Temple Grandin.

00:45:38.000 Good weekend watch if you happen to be able to get access to it.

00:45:42.000 The entire movie is about a woman who is Known as one of the great advocates for people who are autistic.

00:45:50.000 She was diagnosed with autism when she was very, very young.

00:45:52.000 And the movie is essentially what it's like to be autistic.

00:45:55.000 It's an excellent depiction of what autism is like.

00:45:58.000 How autistic people see things in visual terms, but can't really communicate with people in the same way that everyone else can, but have different abilities. 1.00

00:46:05.000 And it's really quite a beautiful movie.

00:46:07.000 It's definitely worth the watch.

00:46:08.000 It was on HBO originally.

00:46:11.000 It has David Straythorn and Chloe Dane and it's really quite good.

00:46:14.000 So totally worth the watch.

00:46:15.000 Excellent performances all around.

00:46:16.000 Temple Grandin, something unique to watch this weekend.

00:46:19.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate.

00:46:21.000 Okay, so CBS, I gotta say this is pretty astonishing.

00:46:29.000 So CBS has different rules for whose face they blur when they're showing criminals or alleged criminals

00:46:36.000 being taken from say a one particular station to another.

00:46:39.000 So CBS News in New York covered two different situations very differently.

00:46:44.000 There is a suspect who stabbed to death a left-wing guy named Ryan Carson in New York City.

00:46:53.000 And this suspect, his face was blurred by CBS News.

00:46:58.000 Somebody on the Twitters took that footage and juxtaposed it with the footage of Daniel Penney.

00:47:03.000 Remember Daniel Penney?

00:47:04.000 He was the Marine who subdued a threatening man on the subway. 0.72

00:47:09.000 The threatening man was black.

00:47:10.000 The guy ended up dying. 0.71

00:47:11.000 Daniel Penney, they were perfectly fine with showing his face on the news.

00:47:14.000 This suspect, however, they were not going to show the face on the news.

00:47:16.000 Here's what the footage looked like.

00:47:18.000 This is footage of the man police say they were looking for.

00:47:22.000 He has not yet been identified, but we are blurring his face at the moment while charges are pending.

00:47:28.000 We watched again as all of this went down.

00:47:30.000 More than a dozen officers were around when it happened before entering a home here on Lafayette Avenue.

00:47:37.000 Well, that's weird.

00:47:38.000 That's weird.

00:47:39.000 I wonder why they would do such a thing.

00:47:40.000 Probably for the same exact reason that every time you read a crime story, if it's a white person who commits a crime against a person of minority status, their race is mentioned in every single story.

00:47:47.000 And if it's a black person who, for example, punches an Asian person, the race is never mentioned because the media would rather obscure for you the actual data involved in the story than allow you the possibility of maybe thinking the wrong thing.

00:47:59.000 You can't think the wrong thing.

00:48:00.000 Meanwhile, people who don't want you to think the wrong thing, that would include Ryan Carson's friends.

00:48:05.000 So remember, Ryan Carson was murdered And now, people have started to GoFundMe for his death, and they are using the money, I kid you not, to, this is his friends, to give themselves time off from work.

00:48:18.000 Quote, Hi everyone, we are a collective of Ryan's close friends, reeling from a brutal loss.

00:48:22.000 We are asking for your help on behalf of his partner in easing the burden and stress of this horrifying situation so that we can have space and time to grieve and remember Ryan.

00:48:29.000 Immediate needs are to offset the cost of working class people taking time off of work to properly mourn. 0.98

00:48:34.000 So they are paying themselves, in other words, not family members.

00:48:38.000 Not his girlfriend themselves, which is, I suppose, a unique grift.

00:48:44.000 That's pretty astonishing sort of stuff right there.

00:48:48.000 Again, bad ideas have consequences.

00:48:50.000 All righty, guys, the rest of the show continues right now.

00:48:52.000 You're not going to want to miss it.

00:48:53.000 We'll be getting into the topic of Sexy Red.

00:48:56.000 She is a rapper most famous for Poundtown, and she has some interesting words about Donald Trump.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - October 06, 2023

Biden Caves, Builds Trump Wall

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