The Ben Shapiro Show - Bombshell Report Exposes Government-Social Media Collusion | Ep. 1601

00:00:00.000 Leaked documents show coordination between the government and major social media sites to crack down on supposed misinformation.

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00:02:29.000 Remember when you were a kid, it was a big deal how you separated the recyclables from the garbage.

00:02:34.000 This is a big deal.

00:02:35.000 They would teach it to you in third grade, in second grade, in first grade.

00:02:38.000 You would come to school and you'd brag to your teacher how you'd taken all the plastic bottles and you'd put them in one container and you'd taken all the trash and you'd put it in the other container because recycling was how we were going to save the world.

00:02:48.000 Well, now there is a report out from the Boston Globe that plastic recycling is a myth.

00:02:52.000 This study comes courtesy of Greenpeace.

00:02:54.000 Quote, of the 51 million tons of plastic waste U.S.

00:02:57.000 households generated in 2021, just 2.4 million tons, or 5%, was recycled, according to new research.

00:03:03.000 Because, of course, it turns out that the vast majority of plastic you can't separate out from the other garbage.

00:03:08.000 When plastic is burned in garbage incinerators, it produces even more planet-heating pollution.

00:03:12.000 Studies show that even discarded plastic gives off methane and other powerful greenhouse gases.

00:03:17.000 The simple fact is that there was no good way to actually recycle this stuff.

00:03:21.000 Research has long shown that most recycling facilities do not accept five of the seven classifications of plastic, including plastic, foam, and PVC, because they're particularly difficult to sort and are often contaminated with toxins.

00:03:30.000 But the new report shows that even the two most common plastics that have long been considered recyclable are only reprocessed 21% and 10% of the time, according to the report.

00:03:39.000 For all the other types of plastic, the reprocessing rate is even lower at less than 5%, according to the authors.

00:03:44.000 Why are we talking about recycling?

00:03:46.000 The answer is because for literally my entire lifetime, from the time I was a child until now, if you had gone out there and you had said, recycling plastic is a giant waste of time, it is a giant waste of resources, this was seen as fringe.

00:03:58.000 It might have been seen as misinformation.

00:04:00.000 Because this is the way our informational ecosystem works.

00:04:03.000 Very often, there are these myths that are created on behalf of left-wing interests, and these become the prevailing narrative.

00:04:08.000 And this narrative can never be crossed.

00:04:10.000 We saw this with COVID, where vaccines were told that you had to take a vax in order to stop your best friend or your grandma from getting COVID.

00:04:17.000 When it came to masks, masking children in the classroom was necessary in order to keep them safe.

00:04:21.000 If you said anything differently, then you might be quashed on social media for misinformation.

00:04:26.000 If you suggested that Black Lives Matter was predicated on a lie, the lie being the police are systemically rounding up black people for no apparent reason, rather than simply targeting criminality.

00:04:35.000 And it turns out that criminality in the United States, especially violent criminality, is disproportionately minority.

00:04:40.000 That if you if you pointed that out, there was a good shot that you were going to be silenced on social media or throttled on social media.

00:04:46.000 If you said that a man could not be a woman and a woman could not be a man, you might end up like the Babylon Bee and you might end up banned from Twitter.

00:04:53.000 Now, the reason I bring all this up is because some of us were saying, this does not look like the simple free market at work.

00:04:59.000 This looks a lot more like governmental actors acting in collusion with the government in order to promote preferred narratives.

00:05:06.000 That sure, there are left-wing heads of places like Twitter or Facebook, Jack Dorsey's or the Mark Zuckerberg's of the world.

00:05:11.000 But if you look at how they originally articulated their visions for their companies, they suggested that these big social media companies were designed to be free speech platforms.

00:05:18.000 These were places where all speech was going to thrive.

00:05:21.000 A thousand flowers were going to bloom.

00:05:22.000 Sure, there would be limits.

00:05:24.000 If you were like an open Nazi advocating for genocide, they would ban you.

00:05:27.000 But if you were just somebody who questioned, say, recycling plastic, or if you were somebody who said, perhaps BLM's narrative is wrong, or if you were somebody who said that men are men and women are women, and that you can't become a woman if you are a man, if you said that sort of stuff, you would not be quashed.

00:05:38.000 If you read everything that Mark Zuckerberg said until about 2018, this is what he said pretty openly.

00:05:45.000 Jack Dorsey, same thing until about 2017.

00:05:47.000 And then something changed.

00:05:49.000 Then something just suddenly all the social media sites in unison started working with each other, colluding in order to silence certain accounts.

00:05:56.000 And so you'd see every single major social media site simply ban the President of the United States on coordinated queue after January 6th.

00:06:05.000 Or you would see even people that I don't like.

00:06:06.000 People like Alex Jones, who I think is despicable in very many ways.

00:06:10.000 You'd see people like Alex Jones.

00:06:11.000 Suddenly, bam, he was gone.

00:06:12.000 Just disappeared.

00:06:13.000 Just un-person from all the social media at the drop of a hat.

00:06:16.000 Not because of any specified sin, but because there was collusion in order to just get rid of him.

00:06:21.000 So did that look as though that was the normal corporate competition at work?

00:06:25.000 It did not.

00:06:27.000 And the simple fact is that we have known for a very long time that these social media sites have been throttling particularly conservative opinion makers.

00:06:33.000 I can tell you on a personal level, now listen, I have 4.7 million followers on Twitter.

00:06:38.000 As of about four days ago, I had less than 4.5 million followers on Twitter.

00:06:43.000 And then Elon Musk took over Twitter and suddenly my follower count shot through the roof.

00:06:46.000 And you can see it in my engagement as well.

00:06:49.000 Facebook very often changes its algorithm, and those algorithmic changes benefit legacy media at the expense of startup media.

00:06:55.000 Well now, as it turns out, the DHS was in fact coordinating with social media in order to quash particular types of stories.

00:07:03.000 This was most obvious, of course, when it came to the Hunter Biden laptop fiasco right before the 2020 election.

00:07:08.000 It became clear that the FBI was actively coordinating with social media sites in order to quash that story.

00:07:13.000 Mark Zuckerberg openly admitted that.

00:07:15.000 He said the FBI was calling us and they were telling us about the possibility of Russian disinformation on the laptop story.

00:07:19.000 And so we decided, you know, best best practice.

00:07:21.000 We'll just quash the thing.

00:07:23.000 Well, now, according to The Intercept, which is a left wing source, Ken Klippenstein, a left winger and Lee Fang reporting, quote, The Department of Homeland Security is quietly broadening its efforts to curb speech it considers dangerous.

00:07:32.000 An investigation by The Intercept is found.

00:07:35.000 Years of internal DHS memos, emails and documents obtained via leaks and an ongoing lawsuit, as well as public documents, illustrate an expansive effort by the agency to influence tech platforms.

00:07:44.000 The work, much of which remains unknown to the American public, came into clear view earlier this year when DHS announced a new Disinformation Governance Board.

00:07:51.000 Remember that we talked about this Disinformation Governance Board.

00:07:54.000 It was run by a crazy lady who was singing Mary Poppins tunes about misinformation and disinformation. 0.94

00:08:00.000 The Disinformation Governance Board was a panel designed to police misinformation, false information spread unintentionally.

00:08:05.000 Disinformation, false information spread intentionally, and malinformation, factual information shared typically out of context with harmful intent that allegedly threatened U.S.

00:08:13.000 interests.

00:08:13.000 While the board was widely ridiculed, immediately scaled back, and then shut down within a few months, other initiatives are underway as DHS pivots to monitoring social media now that its original mandate, the War on Terror, has been wound down.

00:08:23.000 Behind closed doors, says The Intercept, and through pressure on private platforms, the U.S.

00:08:26.000 government has used its power to try to shape online discourse.

00:08:29.000 According to Meeting Minutes and other records appended to a lawsuit filed by Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmidt, a Republican who's also running for Senate, discussions have ranged from the scale and scope of government intervention in online discourse to the mechanics of streamlining takedown requests for false or intentionally misleading information.

00:08:44.000 Microsoft executive Matt Masterson, former DHS official, texted Jen Easterly, a DHS director, in February, quote, Platforms have got to get comfortable with government.

00:08:52.000 It's really interesting how hesitant they remain.

00:08:55.000 And the idea is that they're supposed to be working hand-in-glove together.

00:08:57.000 Now, this is not what is supposed to be happening in the free speech realm.

00:09:01.000 Once private corporations become tools of the government, the First Amendment is implicated.

00:09:05.000 And a lot of people on the left have said, well, you don't like the way that Facebook polices misinformation.

00:09:09.000 Build your own Facebook.

00:09:10.000 You don't like the way that Twitter polices its information.

00:09:12.000 Build your own Twitter.

00:09:13.000 And then, of course, immediately, once parlor starts, then the first thing that happens is that after January 6th, all of its server space is denied to Parler.

00:09:21.000 It's essentially deplatformed.

00:09:22.000 But it's worse than this.

00:09:24.000 And when it comes to the government actively colluding with private institutions in order to quash speech, that is First Amendment activity that is being violated by the government.

00:09:33.000 When the government offers incentives and disincentives to quash speech, this is a violation of First Amendment principles.

00:09:39.000 In a March meeting, according to The Intercept, Laura Demlow, an FBI official, warned that the threat of subversive information on social media could undermine support for the U.S.

00:09:46.000 government.

00:09:47.000 Demlow, according to notes of the discussion attended by senior executives from Twitter and JPMorgan Chase, stressed that we need a media infrastructure that is held accountable.

00:09:54.000 Now, I'll tell you that the scariest part of that particular sentence is JPMorgan Chase.

00:09:59.000 The reason that is particularly scary is because one of the things that we have seen over the course of the last couple of years is serious talk about debanking people who disagree.

00:10:06.000 So we saw during the trucker convoy protests in Canada that people who were financially supporting the truckers in any way, shape or form saw their bank accounts frozen in Canada.

00:10:16.000 Could JPMorgan Chase work with the government along those lines?

00:10:19.000 And you say disapproved things and suddenly you no longer can bank?

00:10:23.000 We've seen this, by the way, with some credit card companies who refuse to allow you to use their credit cards to purchase, say, firearms legally under the Second Amendment.

00:10:30.000 And this sort of effort to cut people out of the regular modes of conversation and indeed market action, it's nefarious.

00:10:39.000 And it's tyrannical.

00:10:40.000 And the government promoting that in the name of corporatism is really terrifying or should be.

00:10:45.000 A spokesperson for Twitter wrote in a statement to The Intercept, quote, I highly doubt that, given again, the obvious coordination between Twitter and other social media groups when it comes to taking down various actors, some of whom I think are terrible, but it doesn't matter.

00:11:04.000 You don't just get to take people down because you don't like their opinion.

00:11:07.000 There's a formalized process for government officials, according to The Intercept, to directly flag content on Facebook or Instagram and request that it be throttled or suppressed through a special Facebook portal that requires a government or law enforcement email to use.

00:11:18.000 At the time of writing, the content request system at Facebook is still live.

00:11:22.000 DHS and Meta, the parent company of Facebook, did not respond to a request for comment.

00:11:25.000 The FBI declined to comment.

00:11:28.000 DHS's mission, according to The Intercept, To fight disinformation stemming from concerns around Russian influence in the 2016 presidential election began to take shape during the 2020 election over efforts to shape discussions around VAX policy during the COVID pandemic.

00:11:41.000 Documents collected by The Intercept from a variety of sources, including current officials and publicly available reports, reveal the evolution of more active measures by DHS.

00:11:49.000 According to a draft copy of DHS's Quadrennial Homeland Security Review, DHS's Capstone Report, outlining the Department's strategy and priorities in the coming years, the Department plans to target quote, inaccurate information on a wide range of topics including quote, the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic and the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines, racial justice, U.S.

00:12:07.000 withdrawal from Afghanistan, and the nature of U.S.

00:12:09.000 support to Ukraine.

00:12:11.000 The challenge is particularly acute in marginalized communities, the report states, which are often the targets of false or misleading information, such as false information on voting procedures targeting people of color.

00:12:19.000 Now again, look at those, look at those issues right there, that list of issues.

00:12:23.000 The origins of the COVID-19 pandemic.

00:12:25.000 So what exactly would be the misinformation or disinformation?

00:12:27.000 I doubt that they are talking about the Chinese government promoting the idea that the Americans started COVID-19.

00:12:32.000 My guess is that it has much more to do with the probably true allegation by Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas that this thing was a leak from the Wuhan lab.

00:12:40.000 How about the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines?

00:12:42.000 For most of the last two years, you could be banned on social media for suggesting that the vaccines, while effective in preventing death and serious disease among older people, might have some negative side effects for younger people and did not prevent transmission.

00:12:57.000 In fact, it's quite possible that this particular segment of today's show will be cut from YouTube.

00:13:03.000 Racial justice, like what exactly about racial justice would have to be throttled?

00:13:07.000 Do you think that it would be people saying that It is not disproportionate arrest statistics to actual criminal activity?

00:13:14.000 You think that's what they would throttle?

00:13:17.000 What do you think they would throttle?

00:13:18.000 They would throttle every conservative position.

00:13:20.000 U.S.

00:13:20.000 withdrawal from Afghanistan?

00:13:21.000 What is the misinformation associated with that?

00:13:24.000 The answer, of course, is that there is no misinformation associated with U.S.

00:13:28.000 withdrawal from Afghanistan.

00:13:29.000 It was horrifying.

00:13:30.000 And of course, DHS is trying to crack down on the dissemination of this information.

00:13:33.000 This is why it's very dangerous to give government this much power.

00:13:37.000 According to The Intercept, how disinformation is defined by the government has not been clearly articulated.

00:13:41.000 The inherently subjective nature of what constitutes disinformation provides a broad opening for DHS officials to make politically motivated determinations about what constitutes dangerous speech.

00:13:50.000 DHS justifies these goals, which have expanded far beyond its original purview on foreign threats to encompass disinformation originating domestically by claiming terrorist threats can be, quote, exacerbated by misinformation and disinformation spread online.

00:14:01.000 The laudable goal of protecting Americans from danger has often been used to conceal political maneuvering.

00:14:07.000 So again, the simple fact that these insane DHS regulations are designed to pressure social media on issues of great public import, it should be incredibly scary.

00:14:24.000 Prior to the 2020 election, according to The Intercept, tech companies including Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, Discord, Wikipedia, Microsoft, LinkedIn, and Verizon met on a monthly basis with the FBI, CISA, and other government representatives.

00:14:35.000 According to NBC News, the meetings were part of an initiative still ongoing between the private sector and government to discuss how firms would handle misinformation during the election.

00:14:43.000 Of course, all of this was the obvious The obvious reaction to Hillary Clinton losing the 2016 election.

00:14:49.000 The left never got over it.

00:14:50.000 They decided that the reason she had lost the election was because of horrifying, evil social media sites that had allowed disinformation to flourish. 0.77

00:14:59.000 In June, a DHS advisory committee, which included Twitter head of legal policy, trust and safety, Vijaya Gadi, who was just fired by Elon Musk, and University of Washington professor Kate Starbird, drafted a report to the CISA director calling for an expansive role for the agency in shaping the information ecosystem.

00:15:14.000 The report called on the agency to closely monitor social media platforms of all sizes, mainstream media, cable news, hyper-partisan media, talk radio, and other online resources.

00:15:22.000 They argued the agency needed to take steps to halt the spread of false and misleading information with a focus on information that undermines, quote, key democratic institutions, such as the courts, or by other sectors, such as the financial system or public health measures.

00:15:35.000 To accomplish these broad goals, according to the report, SIZA should invest in external research to evaluate the efficacy of interventions, specifically with research looking at how alleged disinformation can be countered and how quickly messages spread.

00:15:47.000 Jeff Hale, the director of the Election Security Initiative at SISA, recommended the use of third-party information-sharing non-profits as a clearinghouse for information to avoid the appearance of government propaganda.

00:15:56.000 So instead of just saying, the government, we need to shut down information because it's bad, because that'd be a First Amendment violation, they're going to launder this information through third-party non-profits.

00:16:04.000 All the places that like to fake-fact-check places like Daily Wire.

00:16:09.000 No wonder Gaddy was just thrown out unceremoniously from Twitter.

00:16:14.000 The Biden administration did try to actually make this part of the public infrastructure in announcing that disinformation governance board.

00:16:21.000 Eventually it was scrapped, but it seems that DHS is going to bring this back under another heading, which of course is not a particular shocker.

00:16:28.000 Okay, so all of this is frightening.

00:16:30.000 It should be frightening.

00:16:31.000 This is not the government's business.

00:16:32.000 It is one thing for the government to protect you against threats.

00:16:34.000 It is another thing for the government to actually throttle information that the government does not like because it might cut against their interests.

00:16:46.000 It's pretty incredible stuff, this Intercept report.

00:16:49.000 It really is.

00:16:50.000 During the 2020 election, the Department of Homeland Security, in an email to an official at Twitter, forwarded information about a potential threat to critical U.S.

00:16:56.000 infrastructure, citing FBI warnings, in this case about an account that could imperil election system integrity.

00:17:01.000 The Twitter user in question had 56 followers, along with a bio that read, DM us your weed store locations.

00:17:07.000 Hoes be mad, but this is a parody account under a banner image of Blucifer, a 30-foot-tall demonic horse sculpture featured at the entrance of the Denver International Airport. 0.95

00:17:17.000 We're not sure if there's any action that can be taken, but we wanted to flag them for consideration or to state official on the email thread.

00:17:22.000 The Twitter representative responded, we will escalate.

00:17:24.000 Thank you.

00:17:25.000 Each email in the chain carried a disclaimer.

00:17:26.000 The agency quote, neither has nor seeks the ability to remove or edit what information is made available on social media platforms.

00:17:33.000 That, of course, is an absurdity.

00:17:35.000 If a foreign authoritarian government sent these messages, said Nadine Strossen, former president of the ACLU, there's no doubt we'd call it censorship.

00:17:40.000 Yeah, no bleep.

00:17:42.000 Well, this, of course, raises the question of the midterm elections. 0.73

00:17:47.000 So you can see that the Democrats are about to get their butts handed to them in this election.

00:17:52.000 According to the latest data, the GOP is poised to just wreck the Democrats in this election.

00:17:58.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, voters are giving Republicans a late boost in support just ahead of the midterms.

00:18:02.000 The Wall Street Journal survey conducted two weeks before Election Day suggested that abortion rights are less important in voting decisions than voters indicated in the summer.

00:18:09.000 Republicans have a plus-two lead over the Democrats in the generic congressional ballot and a much larger lead in a lot of the purple areas.

00:18:18.000 Not only that, voters lack confidence in Biden's economic leadership.

00:18:21.000 Only 27% say his policies have had a positive impact on the economy.

00:18:26.000 54% said they've had a negative impact.

00:18:27.000 A majority of voters, 55%, disapprove of Biden's overall job performance.

00:18:31.000 Only 43% approve.

00:18:33.000 The GOP has seen a shift in its favor among several voter groups, including Latino voters and women, particularly white suburban women.

00:18:39.000 That group, which pollsters said makes up 20% of the elected, shifted 26 percentage points away from Democrats since August and now favors the GOP by 15 percentage points.

00:18:50.000 It's going to be a brutal election for the Democrats.

00:18:52.000 And so naturally, they're doing precisely what you would think they're doing. 0.95

00:18:55.000 They're already preparing to blame misinformation and disinformation for their incipient ass kicking.

00:19:01.000 According to the New York Times, for example, they put out a piece today about the race in Pennsylvania, quote, letters, tweets, TV, how midterm disinformation has washed over Pennsylvania.

00:19:11.000 One State's Experience underscores how pervasive false and misleading information has become in the country's electoral process, online and off.

00:19:17.000 This is a piece by Stephen Lee Myers, who covers misinformation for The Times.

00:19:23.000 So he points out that there are a bunch of people who have been saying false things about a variety of candidates.

00:19:28.000 But here is the point of the article.

00:19:31.000 Quote, Pennsylvania, with about 13 million people, is by no means unique when it comes to the problem, but as a swing state narrowly won by President Biden in 2020, it has become a disinformation battleground ahead of the midterms on November 8th.

00:19:41.000 The result has hardened the state's partisan divide and deepened distrust not only of politicians, but of the political process itself, since the way ballots are cast and counted has been at the heart of much of the disinformation swirling around.

00:19:54.000 The idea here is going to be that if the Republicans win, then presumably you will be able to blame disinformation.

00:20:02.000 If the Republicans do better than expected, then they will blame disinformation.

00:20:07.000 So remember that time that elections were sacrosanct and we were not allowed to do elections in any way, shape or form.

00:20:11.000 And this was undermining the institutions of our public.

00:20:14.000 Now we have the New York Times suggesting that the level of quote unquote disinformation in Pennsylvania may be skewing the election results.

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00:21:42.000 Well, all of this also explains exactly why the left, why Democrats, why members of the Biden administration are freaking out about Elon Musk taking over Twitter.

00:21:49.000 Because again, if the idea is the government was working hand in glove with companies like Twitter, In order to throttle misinformation.

00:21:55.000 Now, Musk isn't going to go along with that.

00:21:57.000 That is a major problem for them.

00:21:59.000 Which is why you have a major article in the Washington Post titled, quote, as Elon Musk expands his reach, Washington worries.

00:22:06.000 Oh, you mean, go build your own Twitter, I thought.

00:22:08.000 I thought if you don't like how he's handling the Twitters, then you could just go build your own.

00:22:12.000 I mean, what business is yours?

00:22:13.000 It's a completely private company.

00:22:15.000 Or maybe you guys were coordinating with the people who used to run Twitter and now the new guy does not want to play in your sandbox.

00:22:20.000 Quote, between launching four astronauts and 54 satellites into orbit, unveiling an electric freight truck, and closing in on taking over Twitter this month, Elon Musk made time to offer unsolicited peace plans for Taiwan and Ukraine, antagonizing those countries' leaders and irking Washington too.

00:22:33.000 Musk, the richest man in the world, then irritated some Pentagon officials by announcing he didn't want to keep paying for his private satellite service in Ukraine before later walking back the threat.

00:22:40.000 As Musk, 51, inserts himself into volatile geopolitical issues, many Washington policymakers worry from the sidelines as he bypasses them.

00:22:47.000 Why, I've never seen articles like this in The Washington Post about, say, George Soros, a billionaire who routinely intervenes in politics, both foreign and domestic.

00:22:55.000 I've never seen this about Bill Gates.

00:22:57.000 I've never seen this about Jeff Bezos in the pages of The Washington Post, since The Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos.

00:23:02.000 A two-decade partnership between Musk and the federal government helped the United States return to global dominance in space and shift to electric cars and made the tech geek an internationally famous CEO.

00:23:10.000 But many in Washington, even as they praise his work in areas of national security, now see Musk as too powerful and too reckless.

00:23:16.000 Citing Musk's public ridicule of those who snub him, the billionaire has called President Biden a damp sock puppet and said Senator Elizabeth Warren reminds him of my friend's angry mom.

00:23:27.000 Many of the two dozen top government officials interviewed for this article would only speak about Musk on condition of anonymity.

00:23:27.000 Accurate.

00:23:33.000 Yeah, they're cowardice.

00:23:34.000 Knows no bounds.

00:23:35.000 Nearly all described him as being erratic and arrogant, as he is brilliant.

00:23:39.000 He sees himself as above the president, said Jill Lepore, a Harvard historian who hosted podcasts on Musk.

00:23:44.000 Musk declined to comment for the story.

00:23:45.000 He says he weighs in on important problems and describes his mission as enhancing the future of humanity.

00:23:49.000 But Musk's freelance diplomacy is angering allies.

00:23:52.000 At the same time, he bids $44 billion to take over a media platform with hundreds of millions of users.

00:23:57.000 Senator Dick Durbin said, quote, the bottom line is people hang on his every word because he has delivered so many times.

00:24:01.000 I hope he shows some respect for that responsibility.

00:24:05.000 So again, this article goes on and on and on and on.

00:24:07.000 And the basic idea here is that Elon Musk is a very bad, very bad man because he's intervening in things that are beyond his purview, which is totally fine for billionaires who are Democrats.

00:24:15.000 But Elon Musk is not a Democrat, and therefore he's very, very bad.

00:24:18.000 Democrats are more vocal on the need to rein in Musk.

00:24:22.000 Oh, shocker.

00:24:24.000 I mean, what, are we supposed to be surprised?

00:24:28.000 Of course, Democrats want to reign him in.

00:24:31.000 Especially now that he's taking over Twitter.

00:24:33.000 With him taking over Twitter, they're freaking out that he's not going to work hand in glove with the DHS to shut down information that the left would like purveyed.

00:24:40.000 That the left would like quashed, rather.

00:24:43.000 So Elon Musk is actually taking Twitter well in hand.

00:24:45.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, he's quickly setting to work a group of advisors, investors, and employees from elsewhere in his business empire to help him reimagine Twitter in his first days as new owner.

00:24:52.000 The group is working on a range of initiatives to try to bolster the platform's user experience and revenue, according to people involved in the effort.

00:24:58.000 While Mr. Musk continues to publicly float potential changes in a series of tweets.

00:25:02.000 Musk's team outlined three pillars of its plan for the platform before the deal's completion.

00:25:06.000 According to Ross Gerber, chief executive of Gerber Kawasaki Wealth and Investment Management, that is an investment firm that put up under a million bucks as an outside investor in the takeover.

00:25:15.000 The plan includes changing the platform by expanding user verification and improving the subscription offerings to become less reliant on advertisers.

00:25:21.000 It would also add ways for content creators to make money on the platform so they could earn a living on it like many creators do on TikTok and YouTube.

00:25:26.000 The other day he suggested perhaps restarting Vine, which would make sense considering that TikTok is a Chinese front group. 1.00

00:25:34.000 Again, so much of what is going on right now is about Democrat fear that Musk is not going to play by their rules.

00:25:40.000 So Ro Khanna, very nice guy, Democratic congressperson from California.

00:25:43.000 We've had him on the show before.

00:25:44.000 He is obviously terrified of Elon Musk taking over Twitter.

00:25:48.000 Well, I hope what Elon Musk will do is create an independent governance structure for Twitter.

00:25:54.000 I agree that we need to remove the many bots on Twitter.

00:25:57.000 That actually is a problem in the conversation.

00:26:00.000 But beyond that, just like CNN doesn't have corporate owners making decisions of who can come on your news program, and just like the Washington Post isn't run by Jeff Bezos, we need to make sure that Twitter isn't run by the corporate owner but has independent governance boards and principles.

00:26:20.000 Oh, so he's glad that Musk bought it so long as he then hands it over to a bunch of people who agree with Democrats and Ro Khanna, presumably.

00:26:27.000 NBC's Ben Collins, again, a legacy media reporter who spends all day on the Twitters putting out left-wing information.

00:26:33.000 He says he's very worried that our reality is Elon Musk allowing people to talk.

00:26:36.000 That would be just, just terrible.

00:26:40.000 Here's what happened.

00:26:40.000 Here's the reality.

00:26:42.000 A man with a hit list went and hit Nancy Pelosi's husband in the head with a hammer in his home.

00:26:51.000 And, uh, she was on that hit list.

00:26:54.000 The inverted reality, uh, supposes a, an elaborate, uh, sex scheme involving, uh, a conspiracy theory about a coverup of, uh, some sort of like sex party or something.

00:27:07.000 And that was pushed out by the richest man in the world.

00:27:10.000 That is, uh, within 48 hours of that man taking over their website.

00:27:15.000 He didn't say I'm sorry.

00:27:15.000 He believed it.

00:27:16.000 He didn't say anything like that.

00:27:17.000 That's not what this is about, Tam.

00:27:19.000 This is about some sort of political game, Tam.

00:27:22.000 So I would be worried.

00:27:23.000 This is our reality now.

00:27:25.000 This is where we're about to head.

00:27:28.000 Okay, so here's what happened.

00:27:29.000 Musk put out a tweet, as I mentioned yesterday on the show, in which he retweeted a story that was unverified about Paul Pelosi, implying that Paul Pelosi was involved in some sort of sexual tryst with the guy who hit him in the head with a hammer.

00:27:39.000 As I said yesterday on the show, there was no evidence of this.

00:27:41.000 It was an un-evidenced report.

00:27:43.000 People had questions.

00:27:44.000 Those questions seemed to be fairly easily answered by the police report, and now by the suspect's confession.

00:27:49.000 And you know what happened?

00:27:50.000 Elon Musk realized that was wrong, because this is how free speech works, and then he took it down, because people pointed out that what he was purveying was not true.

00:27:58.000 By the way, DePapey, the guy who actually hit Pelosi in the head with a hammer, he put out a confession via the police in which he said he was going to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage and talk to her.

00:28:08.000 If Nancy were to tell DePapey the truth, he would let her go. 0.65

00:28:10.000 If she lied, he was going to break her kneecaps.

00:28:12.000 DePapey was certain Nancy would not have told the truth.

00:28:14.000 In the course of the interview, DePaypey articulated he viewed Nancy as the leader of the pack of lies told by the Democratic Party.

00:28:19.000 He also later explained that by breaking her kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other members of Congress there were consequences to actions.

00:28:25.000 He also explained generally he wanted to use Nancy to lure another individual to himself.

00:28:30.000 He explained he broke into the house through a glass door using the hammer.

00:28:33.000 After he encountered Paul Pelosi, the speaker's husband managed to call the police.

00:28:36.000 When they arrived, both men were grappling over the hammer.

00:28:40.000 The police announced also that there is no truth to the notion that Paul Pelosi knew this guy at any point.

00:28:46.000 Here's the San Francisco police chief saying as much.

00:28:48.000 Clear it up once and for all.

00:28:49.000 Did Paul Pelosi know his attacker?

00:28:54.000 There is absolutely no evidence that Mr. Pelosi knew this man.

00:28:57.000 As a matter of fact, the evidence indicates the exact opposite.

00:29:01.000 And again, you know, it really is sad that these theories are being floated out there.

00:29:08.000 Baseless, factless theories that are being floated out there.

00:29:11.000 And they're damaging.

00:29:12.000 They're damaging to the people involved.

00:29:14.000 They're damaging to this investigation.

00:29:17.000 And, you know, people are running with this stuff, and whether they believe it or not, These theories can influence the way people think about everything that's happening here, so I will be clear on this.

00:29:27.000 There is absolutely no evidence of that at all.

00:29:32.000 Okay, so we now know all the rest of the information, and you know what happened.

00:29:35.000 Musk put out a bad tweet, and then he deleted the bad tweet.

00:29:38.000 So should he be banned for life?

00:29:40.000 Under the old Twitter rules, that's what would have happened.

00:29:42.000 Should they have suppressed his original tweet?

00:29:44.000 Because under the old Twitter rules, they apparently would have suppressed that original tweet from Musk as quote-unquote disinformation.

00:29:50.000 And then people would have said the reason that it was being suppressed was specifically because it was true, right?

00:29:53.000 This is the game that gets played on Twitter a lot because it is impossible to tell from Twitter whether they're suppressing disinformation based on it being true or whether they're doing it based on it being false.

00:30:02.000 This is one of the big problems, but actually, free speech worked the way it was supposed to.

00:30:05.000 Musk said a dumb thing, that dumb thing was taken down, and that was the end of the story.

00:30:08.000 But the idea here is that that's a threat to everyone. 0.99

00:30:11.000 We must prevent people from hearing the dumb thing in the first place, rather than seeing the dumb thing, and then seeing the dumb thing rebutted. 0.93

00:30:16.000 Meanwhile, Democrats continue with their line that the reason that Paul Pelosi was hit with the hammer is because of Kevin McCarthy or something. 0.98

00:30:23.000 Gavin Newsom, the governor of California.

00:30:25.000 I will remind you, Gavin Newsom is the governor of the state where this happened.

00:30:28.000 So might this have to do more with California's criminal policy?

00:30:30.000 Because it turns out that the person who actually hit Paul Pelosi, David DePapey, it turns out that he overstayed his visa.

00:30:37.000 Isn't California a sanctuary state?

00:30:39.000 According to the New York Post, The man accused of attacking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband with a hammer was in the country illegally, according to ICE.

00:30:46.000 He was born in Canada in 1980.

00:30:47.000 He was in the U.S.

00:30:48.000 as early as 2001.

00:30:51.000 His social security number was obtained in Hawaii, but he was in the country well past the legal threshold.

00:30:58.000 So, California is a sanctuary state.

00:31:00.000 California is very loose on crime.

00:31:02.000 But here is Gavin Newsom blaming the person who's truly to blame, presumably the Republicans, maybe Jesse Waters or something.

00:31:08.000 Distinguished member of Congress, Democrat from Michigan, tells Axios someone will be killed who is a lawmaker.

00:31:15.000 Is she wrong?

00:31:17.000 I don't want to feed that by even suggesting that's possible, but what evidence suggests it's not.

00:31:24.000 I mean, I wasn't a baby in the 60s.

00:31:27.000 I mean, I wasn't, you know, like, look, I know what over the last three years has come in my inbox.

00:31:36.000 Trust me, you don't.

00:31:38.000 Because I'm not sharing it.

00:31:39.000 I don't even share it with my wife.

00:31:41.000 I got four kids.

00:31:43.000 So I know a little bit about this.

00:31:47.000 Okay, yes, I also know about being threatened.

00:31:50.000 It's happened to me, the FBI's arrested people.

00:31:52.000 Does that have to do with Nancy Pelosi or Democrats or various critics on the left saying mean things about me in the onlines?

00:31:59.000 No, it really doesn't. 0.98

00:32:00.000 Turns out crazy people go crazy.

00:32:02.000 And if we take this to its logical endpoint, the idea is we have to suppress speech in order to protect people.

00:32:08.000 So Gavin Newsom got more specific.

00:32:09.000 He went after Jesse Waters on Fox News for some reason.

00:32:12.000 Nancy Pelosi?

00:32:13.000 I don't think anyone's been dehumanized like she has consistently.

00:32:16.000 I mean, I watched this one guy, was it Jesse Waters or something on Fox News?

00:32:21.000 What he's been saying about Paul Pelosi the last five, six months?

00:32:25.000 Mocking him?

00:32:26.000 Consistently?

00:32:27.000 Don't tell me that's not anti-embedding all this.

00:32:29.000 Of course it is.

00:32:30.000 They're sowing the seeds of creating a culture and a climate like this.

00:32:34.000 I mean, look online.

00:32:36.000 Look at the sewage that is online that they amplify on these networks and in social media to dehumanize people like Nancy Pelosi. 0.96

00:32:48.000 It's all about the suppression of information.

00:32:50.000 You're not allowed to disagree with Nancy Pelosi.

00:32:51.000 You're not allowed to make fun of her.

00:32:52.000 You're not.

00:32:53.000 Gavin Newsom is allowed to run ads in Florida talking about how Rhonda Sands is the worst person ever.

00:32:58.000 But if he blinks really, really fast in his interviews, in preening fake moral indignation, then we probably have to suppress information.

00:33:05.000 We have to suppress Jesse Waters.

00:33:06.000 We have to suppress social media.

00:33:07.000 We can't allow that sort of criticism of Nancy Pelosi to be out there in the ether.

00:33:11.000 It might cause crazy people to do crazy things.

00:33:14.000 The entire media, by the way, the legacy media bought into this.

00:33:16.000 Wolf Blitzer asked the head of DHS.

00:33:18.000 These are insane questions.

00:33:19.000 Wolf Blitzer of CNN asked Alejandro Mayorkas, how much do you blame Republicans for what just happened with Paul Pelosi?

00:33:27.000 As you know, Republicans have been vilifying Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, for years and years.

00:33:32.000 So far, very few Republican leaders have forcefully condemned the attacks that preceded the assault on her husband at his home in San Francisco.

00:33:43.000 Donald Trump Jr.

00:33:44.000 even mocked the assault.

00:33:45.000 How much blame do you place on the Republican Party leadership right now for amplifying dangerous rhetoric?

00:33:52.000 Well, I think dangerous rhetoric is something that divides our country, regrettably, and that division is itself can be a threat that our adversaries, nation states, exploit.

00:34:05.000 Russia, Iran, China, and the spread of disinformation.

00:34:11.000 There we go.

00:34:12.000 And this is precisely the rationale behind the DHS coordinating with social media companies in order to quash information, which is an actual threat to the First Amendment, an actual threat to your freedoms.

00:34:20.000 You want to talk about causing polarization?

00:34:22.000 How about people actually believing the reason that they are no longer allowed to speak freely on social media is because there are members of government behind the scenes tweaking the knobs?

00:34:30.000 It's a violation of law.

00:34:31.000 It is also a violation of what it means to have a common compact. 0.99

00:34:35.000 If the idea behind free speech in the United States is that people who speak freely and say dumb things will be called out for it, which seems to happen an awful lot in this country, then and that that process has to be stopped short because people are just too stupid to take part in free speech. 0.93

00:34:51.000 And so we have to have masters among us from the government telling us exactly how this stuff works and how it works is always how the left would like it to work. 0.93

00:34:58.000 You wonder why things are getting more polarized.

00:35:01.000 And meanwhile, Joe Biden is out there stumping on his own behalf for the midterms, and he's doing a terrible job.

00:35:07.000 We'll get to his oil policy in one second.

00:35:09.000 Well, folks, the corporate media agenda means the news is presented in a very biased way.

00:35:13.000 I know it.

00:35:13.000 You know it.

00:35:13.000 We all know it.

00:35:14.000 Thankfully, there is a way to get the most important news of the day without the narrative.

00:35:17.000 And that is by listening to one of the top news podcasts in America, Morning Wire.

00:35:21.000 New episodes are available every morning, seven days a week.

00:35:24.000 They cover stories other media outlets won't touch.

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00:35:32.000 John Bickley and Georgia Hads do a wonderful job on this show, and they're going to give you all the information you need to know.

00:35:37.000 on the extraordinarily important midterm elections.

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00:35:48.000 Now, speaking of the election, Joe Biden is just falling apart in the polling with regard to the economy.

00:35:53.000 Particularly 71% of Americans say the economy is moving in the wrong direction, which is an insane number.

00:35:58.000 So his solution, of course, is to yell at oil companies.

00:36:01.000 Now, this is a president who has shut down oil and gas leases.

00:36:04.000 It's a president who's actively told people not to invest in the oil and gas sector.

00:36:09.000 He's a president who has encouraged the oil and gas sector itself to get out of the production of oil and gas into green energy or whatever.

00:36:13.000 And here he was yesterday yelling at the oil companies.

00:36:18.000 Oil companies record profits today are not because they're doing something new or innovative.

00:36:24.000 Their profits are a windfall of war.

00:36:27.000 The windfall from the brutal conflict that's ravaging Ukraine and hurting tens of millions of people around the globe.

00:36:35.000 At a time of war, any company receiving historic windfall profits like this has a responsibility to act beyond the narrow self-interest of its executives and shareholders.

00:36:46.000 I think they have a responsibility to act in the interest of their consumers, their community, and their country.

00:36:52.000 To invest in America by increasing production and refining capacity Because they don't want to do that.

00:36:59.000 They have the opportunity to do that.

00:37:01.000 Lowering prices for consumers of the pump.

00:37:04.000 You know, if they don't, they're going to pay a higher tax on their excess profits and face other restrictions.

00:37:13.000 Okay, Joe Biden looks worse and worse.

00:37:14.000 By the way, that Botox needs a re-up pretty quickly here because that face is not looking amazing there.

00:37:20.000 Here's the problem with what Joe Biden is saying.

00:37:22.000 Everything.

00:37:22.000 So first of all, he says we're in a time of war, so the oil companies have to pay up.

00:37:26.000 Did I forget the part where America declared war?

00:37:28.000 When did that happen?

00:37:29.000 My understanding was we were supporting an ally in its war.

00:37:32.000 I was not aware that the United States had actually declared open war on Russia at this point.

00:37:37.000 If so, that seems like that probably should go through some sort of congressional review.

00:37:41.000 Second, the basic economic argument that the oil companies in whom you have pushed systemic disinvestment, systemic disinvestment, Those oil companies ought to pay an excess profits tax because there is now low supply and high demand.

00:37:54.000 That is precisely the opposite of what you would wish to do if you actually wish to increase supply.

00:37:58.000 Larry Summers, Democrat, right?

00:38:00.000 Bill Clinton, Treasury Secretary.

00:38:01.000 He tweeted out today, quote, I'm not sure I understand the argument for a windfall profits tax on energy companies.

00:38:07.000 If you reduce profitability, you'll discourage investment, which is the opposite of our objective.

00:38:11.000 If it's a fairness argument, I don't follow the logic, since even with the windfalls, Exxon has underperformed the overall market over the last five years.

00:38:17.000 No, don't let facts get in the way of a good story there, Larry.

00:38:20.000 Gotta let Joe Biden continue to lie that what's really happening here is that you're getting jacked by the oil companies, when in reality, it is the left which has pushed massive boondoggle investments to the tune of $1.2 trillion in, quote, Green New Deal nonsense just over the past year alone.

00:38:36.000 That that has nothing to do with the oil companies losing profitability.

00:38:41.000 Refineries are not going back online.

00:38:42.000 The reason they're not going back online is because John Kerry is out there saying you should not invest in refineries.

00:38:46.000 At the same time, Joe Biden is yelling at the oil companies for not investing in refineries.

00:38:50.000 At the same time that Jennifer Granholm is out there saying this is all going to spur a brand new, wonderful green energy revolution.

00:38:56.000 Joe Biden is standing literally in that video where he's yelling at the oil companies.

00:38:59.000 He is flanked by Jennifer Granholm, who has said that this is an opportunity to switch away from oil and gas and toward green.

00:39:05.000 And then you wonder why there's underproduction? 0.88

00:39:08.000 It's ridiculous.

00:39:10.000 But of course, it's never been about anything except for the demagoguery. 0.58

00:39:15.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, the White House has for months been weighing endorsing a proposal to tax what the president and his advisors call the windfall profits of oil and gas companies, according to administration officials.

00:39:23.000 A group of progressive Democrats introduced legislation earlier this year that would impose a per barrel tax equivalent to 50% of the difference between the current price of crude oil and the average price between 2015 and 2019.

00:39:33.000 So you mean during the four year period where they did not make money?

00:39:36.000 You now want to take that and use that in order to claw back them making money in a time when there's absolute demand?

00:39:43.000 Like, how do they think pricing mechanisms work here?

00:39:45.000 The reason the pricing mechanisms have jacked up the price is because, again, lack of supply.

00:39:50.000 Future supply is down.

00:39:52.000 Futures affect current price when it comes to the oil markets.

00:39:56.000 The American Petroleum Institute said oil companies do not set prices.

00:39:58.000 Global commodities markets do.

00:40:00.000 Increasing taxes on American energy discourages investment in new production, which is exactly the opposite of what is needed.

00:40:06.000 Yeah, but again, it is not about actually generating lower gas prices for people. 0.91

00:40:09.000 It's about yelling at the gas companies so that Joe Biden doesn't have to be held responsible for his own garbage policy.

00:40:15.000 This is precisely the reason why Joe Biden is absolutely falling apart in this election. 0.82

00:40:19.000 Because everybody can see through this.

00:40:21.000 Nobody believes that if Joe Biden yells at the oil companies enough, magically the oil prices are going to drop.

00:40:26.000 Nobody believes that Joe Biden's massive inflation is the fault of the oil companies.

00:40:33.000 But he's gotta say something, I suppose.

00:40:35.000 I mean, you gotta give him credit for trying, man.

00:40:37.000 That dude is still out there and he is still trying.

00:40:40.000 As we say, the elections look like they are shifting dramatically in Republicans' favor.

00:40:44.000 I called earlier that Lee Zeldin was my sleeper pick for governor of New York.

00:40:48.000 There's a brand new poll out from Trafalgar that actually shows Lee Zeldin in the lead over Kathy Hochul at this point in New York.

00:40:55.000 Democrats have dropped millions of dollars in New York into a race that is D plus 20.

00:40:59.000 D plus 20.

00:41:00.000 That is an excellent indicator.

00:41:02.000 That is a red flag.

00:41:03.000 I mean, it's not just a red flag.

00:41:05.000 That is a giant, huge bell that is ringing in the ears of every Democrat everywhere.

00:41:10.000 There are going to be a lot of Republican congresspeople who are considered fringe, people Democrats helped get elected in primaries.

00:41:16.000 Thinking that it would be easy to run against the MAGA, ULTRAMAGA, SUPERMAGA, DUPERMAGA Republicans.

00:41:20.000 Why are those people going to end up in Congress?

00:41:21.000 Because it turns out, this election is in fact a referendum on the people in power.

00:41:25.000 The people in power have done a terrible job, and so those people are about to get thrown out on their ear.

00:41:29.000 Alrighty guys, the rest of the show is continuing now.

00:41:30.000 You're not going to want to miss it.

00:41:31.000 We're going to get into the Supreme Court, which held a hearing yesterday on ditching affirmative action, finally at long last.

00:41:37.000 Plus, Israel is holding its election today, its latest election.

00:41:41.000 They have one every seven minutes or so.

The Ben Shapiro Show - November 01, 2022

Bombshell Report Exposes Government-Social Media Collusion | Ep. 1601

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