Candace Owens joins The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special with host Ben Shapiro to discuss why she left the Democratic Party, why she believes Black Lives Matter is a racist organization, and why she thinks the Black community should stop being treated as a victim by the NAACP, the media, and other groups that demonize the black community, and much, much more. Ben Shapiro is a Fox News contributor and host of the conservative podcast "The Weekly Standard" and is a frequent contributor to conservative publications. He is also the author of the bestselling book, Blackout, a memoir about her experience growing up in a racist family, and how she overcame the trauma of growing up as the daughter of a police officer who was falsely accused of being a criminal in order to become a political activist. Ben is a regular contributor to the Daily Wire and has been featured in the New York Times, CNN, CBS, NPR, and NPR, among other media outlets. His work has been widely praised by conservative critics, and he is considered a leading voice in the anti-racist and anti-colonialist movements in the culture and culture, including Black culture and the Black diaspora, and is one of the most influential Black voices in the country. media voices in America today. Join the conversation by using the hashtag , and find Ben on social media using on and . to join the conversation in the comments below. Thanks for listening and sharing the podcast! ! Thank you for listening for supporting Ben Shapiro's efforts to make this podcast possible. and spreading the word out there! Ben's words help us all around the world! - Thank you Ben Shapiro and the podcast - Your support is so much appreciated! -- Thank you, Ben Shapiro, the host of The Ben Show & the Anchor -- The Daily Wire is a podcast that helps us make it bigger, bigger, better, and more important than you can be heard on the airwaves and everywhere else. -- Our logo and social media is bigger than you get a better chance to reach more people, everywhere else in the world. - thank you, more of your voice matters more than you hear us on the podcast, too, thank you for helping us get a chance to be heard more of Ben's voice out there on the world more than just listening to us, too!
00:00:00.000It's not good for us when you have a culture and music which glorifies baby mama.
00:00:05.000We have a culture problem in black America.
00:00:06.000I think the best way to fix it is for everybody to stop debating about it.
00:00:10.000Everyone stop the hand-holding and let black Americans get to work.
00:00:14.000Democratic presidential nominees have received, on average, 90% of the vote from black Americans for the last six decades.
00:00:21.000These candidates have run and continue to run on race-specific handout programs like Affirmative Action and now slavery reparations to supposedly save the black community from racism embedded deep within American society.
00:00:34.000The work of improving black lives has largely been stripped from black Americans by liberal politicians and thought leaders telling black Americans they're victims of America.
00:00:42.000That is what inspired Candace Owens into a political career.
00:00:46.000Candace had always thought she was a Democrat.
00:00:48.000That is, until the media's dishonesty during the 2016 election woke her up.
00:00:52.000Since coming out as conservative, she speaks on black culture, the victimhood promulgated within it, and a society weaponizing race for political power.
00:01:00.000In 2018, she founded Blexit, a movement encouraging black and minority communities to jump ship from the Democratic Party.
00:01:06.000Candace, who finds herself frequently canceled on Twitter, recently posted a video criticizing the propping up of George Floyd as a hero.
00:01:13.000That video went viral and resulted in an onslaught of attacks.
00:01:19.000We'll also discuss Kansas' own traumatic experience of being treated as a victim by the NAACP and other organizations that hindered rather than helped her.
00:01:27.000what Cardi B's interviewing Joe Biden says about the way Democrats see the black vote, and a whole lot more.
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00:01:58.000Candace Owens, thanks so much for joining the show.
00:02:01.000So first of all, everybody should go pick up a copy or pre-order a copy of Blackout, which comes out very shortly, sure to be an enormous bestseller.
00:02:32.000We've seen major riots in Portland, in L.A., in Washington, D.C., in New York City, in Chicago.
00:02:36.000Virtually every major city, all Democratic governed, has broken into extraordinary levels of rioting and looting.
00:02:43.000The media have informed us that all of this is apparently A good thing.
00:02:46.000This is changing America in a positive way.
00:02:49.000Barack Obama suggested at the DNC that the protesters are really doing something wonderful and the media have conflated the protesters with the rioters and with the looters.
00:02:56.000So I want to get your overall opinions first of all on the Black Lives Matter movement.
00:02:59.000Because it seems to me that Black Lives Matter can mean three separate things and there's been an attempt to conflate all of them.
00:03:05.000One, the inarguable proposition that black people matter.
00:03:07.000Second, The idea that Black Lives Matter as an organization is good, which seems crazy.
00:03:11.000And third, that America is systemically racist and evil.
00:03:14.000And I've yet to see exactly how the Black Lives Matter movement, which seems to stand for both the organization and the idea that America is evil.
00:03:23.000Do you believe that what's going on right now in America and has been going on since the death of George Floyd has made America better in any way?
00:03:28.000I mean, I think I've kind of made myself a staunch adversary of the Black Lives Matter movement.
00:03:32.000It is the antithesis of everything that I believe in as an American, first and foremost.
00:03:37.000And no, yeah, they're operating under the guise of something that's common sense.
00:03:42.000And they're doing nothing to prove or to show that black lives matter to them because they don't care about black lives.
00:03:47.000We know that all across America, in major cities. Black crime rate has gone up, black homicide rate has gone up, black people are dying because of Black Lives Matter activism.
00:03:57.000People burning down and looting black neighborhoods, taking away black jobs. So I hate everything to do with Black Lives Matter and I have used my platform and my voice to speak out against what is ultimately a big lie. This is all built upon the idea that black Americans are being gunned, unarmed We're just peacefully doing our business and a police officer sees us and they come up to us and they want to shoot us and they want to kill us.
00:04:21.000If you are genuinely concerned about black lives, if I was going to be fearful in America, I would be more afraid of a black person, a black male, a black perpetrator than I would be of a white person or a white police officer.
00:04:33.000We kill our own people way faster than any other person.
00:04:37.000I actually say this, and it's controversial.
00:04:39.000If you are truly, sincerely a white supremacist in America, the best thing you could do is do nothing and let black America tend to itself.
00:04:46.000Because what we do to ourselves, when left unattended to ourselves, is way worse when you look at the statistics than allowing any other group to come in and try to do anything to us.
00:04:57.000And that's including, of course, police officers who are not killing black Americans for no reason.
00:05:01.000So in a second I'm going to ask you about the extent to which racism still shapes life in America because it remains this key issue in American politics and the stats tend to be rather split on all of this.
00:05:11.000I'm going to get your answer on racism in America in one second first.
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00:06:33.000Okay, so the main pitch, it seems, of the Democratic Party these days is that America is systemically racist.
00:06:39.000According to the 1619 Project, America was rooted in racism.
00:06:42.000America is a 400-year story of nothing but the foundations of racism being carried out in every aspect of American life.
00:06:50.000So, how much do you think that racism is actually an obstacle to black Americans living today?
00:06:55.000Not in 1960 when Jim Crow, not in 1860 when slavery was a thing, but today in 2020 America.
00:07:00.000It's not at all an obstacle to black Americans today.
00:07:03.000It is just there is no systemic racism, there is no law, there is nothing that says that I can't do something as a black person that you can do.
00:07:12.000What we're really talking about is the fact that people want to absolve themselves of personal responsibility and we're being helped.
00:07:17.000If there's anything that's systemic in white, in America today, it's white guilt.
00:07:21.000And that's the biggest problem that we have in America today is white guilt.
00:07:23.000It's been institutionalized, it's been politicized, politicians, white people feeling bad for themselves, and therefore allowing people, allowing black people and white people alike, you know, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, to run around and act like toddlers, right?
00:07:35.000So there's an emotional immaturity that is happening in black America and has spawned from the education system which shapes you from the time that you are in kindergarten to believe that because you're black you can't in America.
00:07:46.000When you keep telling a child over and over again they can't because they won't, right?
00:07:50.000They will begin to believe in their own futility.
00:07:54.000And this is the thing that I try to conquer, right?
00:07:56.000I try to go out there, I try to speak, and I try to say the problem, if you want to talk about anything systemic, it's that white people keep allowing this false narrative to be perpetuated and won't allow black Americans to get up onto their own two feet.
00:08:07.000And that really stems from, I would say, the mid-1960s, where black America sort of took a shift away from the peaceful civil rights into this more, you know, hardcore militant black civil rights of burning down your neighborhoods and looting and rioting because they didn't want to take steps to be personally responsible.
00:08:25.000I know that you covered some in your book, Blackout.
00:08:28.000The argument that was made by LBJ and still made by Democrats today, that one of the big problems is that historic racism is built into the system such that people are starting from behind the eight ball.
00:08:38.000That if you look at the broad history of the United States, that black Americans were discriminated against for the vast majority of America's history, really only alleviated legally in the 1960s and 1970s.
00:08:48.000And even beyond then, there were informal structures of racism.
00:08:51.000And therefore, that black Americans are starting off inherently behind sort of the starting line.
00:08:57.000LBJ suggested, for example, that it would not be proper to simply remove all barriers to entry.
00:09:02.000You're still leaving people who are so far behind that they can never catch up.
00:09:05.000And that just wouldn't be appropriate to say, OK, now you're free to live your lives when they've already been systematically deprived of resources that other people have had in the United States.
00:09:12.000Look, nobody will debate the fact that black Americans were oppressed in America for a The problem is that, and you're talking about LBJ's Howard University speech, where he said, you know, we need to fix this.
00:09:27.000Which is he assigned white guilt to everybody and said, but it's not enough to just give them their freedoms.
00:09:32.000You know, we all have to get involved and we have to do this and we have to do that.
00:09:36.000What I can say to you is that there is no group that has ever lagged behind another group that has gotten ahead with handouts.
00:09:41.000You have to at some point do the hard work, right?
00:09:44.000So let's say I've been illiterate because I grew up in a black America where I wasn't allowed to read.
00:09:48.000I'm not going to learn to read by you pretending I can read.
00:09:51.000Eventually I'm going to have to learn to read myself.
00:09:53.000And this is sort of when all of these programs that are meant to instill equality Which are fundamentally racist in and of themselves, right?
00:09:59.000Like allowing more black people to get into schools, which hurts black America.
00:10:03.000These affirmative action practices, which was started by LBJ and this initiative for white people to feel guilty enough to just allow black people to be given accolades and scholarships that they don't deserve.
00:10:14.000It has harmed black America over time, because at the end of the day, you know the information or you don't.
00:10:33.000He did it because he did the hard work.
00:10:34.000He went after school every day, whatever it was, he practiced his game, and LeBron James became LeBron James because he did the work and he put in the work.
00:10:41.000So the areas that we excel in, you know, disprove the idea that the areas that we lag behind, we're going to get ahead by somehow just being given handouts.
00:10:50.000This is a point Shelby Steele has made specifically with regard to basketball, suggesting that you don't say to a kid who's unable to dribble, well, you know, if we give you this handout or that handout, you're going to learn to dribble.
00:10:58.000We say, okay, now you need to learn to dribble.
00:11:00.000And that is the only way that anybody gets ahead of any color or at any point in American life.
00:11:04.000So how did you personally make the transition?
00:11:06.000Because you didn't always believe this stuff.
00:11:08.000In fact, when would you say that you became more conservative on these issues?
00:11:12.000What's actually funny is that I've always been conservative.
00:11:14.000I just didn't know that I was a conservative, and I think this is what a lot of black Americans suffer from.
00:11:19.000We're raised quite conservatively, and I was definitely raised staunchly conservatively in my grandfather's household, but I didn't care about politics.
00:11:28.000So I went through the public school system, and if you come out of the public school system out the other side, and you actually learn, if you actually study, you walk out, you get your degree, and you know, you know what?
00:11:38.000Republicans are racist, conservatives are racist, and at every point that we've ever gotten ahead, it's because of Democrats.
00:12:14.000But if you had asked me, you stopped me on the street, and you said, are you a Democrat or Republican, I would have said Democrat.
00:12:19.000And it would have been because of the reasons that I just listed.
00:12:22.000So I started paying attention in politics when Donald Trump came down the escalator, which is quite hilariously, because I thought this man should never be the president of the United States ever, right?
00:12:30.000So I don't care where you were in America.
00:12:34.000I thought that he was just too boisterous, too New York.
00:12:38.000And also, he was the guy who says you're fired, too cultural to be the president of the United States.
00:12:42.000I didn't believe that he was the right person for the job, especially coming off of Obama, the smooth talker.
00:12:47.000But then something weird started happening, where this guy who I thought should not be the president of the United States, rather than saying he shouldn't be the president of the United States because he's not qualified, the media started saying he shouldn't be the president of the United States because he's a racist, a sexist, a homophobe.
00:13:10.000He was a symbol of status and of wealth.
00:13:12.000So I asked myself an important question and that question was, is it plausible that black Americans are now being, and racism is being used as a theme to turn black Americans into single issue voters?
00:13:31.000And you really, you really can't unsee it.
00:13:33.000You can't unsee it after you, once you learn the knowledge of how we've been used as single issue voters, you can't unsee it.
00:13:39.000So Republicans have been struggling, obviously, for decades to try and make inroads in the black community.
00:13:43.000Shockingly, some of the polls show that Trump is actually making some inroads in the black community, which is a complete, obviously, surprise to many of the pollsters and to many of the mainstream media.
00:13:51.000What do you think is the best way for Republicans to speak to members of the black community?
00:13:56.000Because it seems that they've tried a bunch of different angles.
00:13:59.000Many of them seem to be very apologetic in tone.
00:14:02.000There's this feeling like, okay, we have to make excuses for what we are saying.
00:14:06.000It's always seemed to me that if you talk to black people the same way you talk to everybody else, because black people are like everybody else, that seems like the best way to do it.
00:14:47.000Black America needed someone cultural.
00:14:49.000He needed someone who didn't care, who wasn't going to apologize, who was going to say what he meant and not apologize for it because it was simply true.
00:14:54.000when he gave that infamous speech and said, Black America, what do you have to lose?
00:14:57.000And he listed all of these ways that Black American communities are suffering.
00:15:19.000So I think that that is the most important lesson, is just be courageous, because at the end of the day, silence is not winning us.
00:15:25.000What I always say about the right, which is really interesting, is that the right is playing by rules that were established by the left, and the left is playing by no rules.
00:15:34.000And I worry that there's not enough voices that are willing to just simply say the truth, let it linger, and not worry about the names that they're being called.
00:15:44.000So, speaking of having the courage to step into waters where angels fear to tread, you obviously cut this video in the aftermath of the George Floyd death, in which you went through specifically his criminal record, and you talked about not really the situation surrounding George Floyd's death, which now as it turns out, new details suggest it's a lot more complex than the original narrative.
00:16:02.000You talked specifically about the attempts to elevate George Floyd into a sort of moral paragon, which obviously is something that the culture has done, it's what the media have done, And you see this fairly routinely, is the attempt to suggest that people who, at the very best, until the moment they were shot by police, had led difficult lives, are in fact people who ought to be emulated or who are free of any moral stain.
00:16:24.000We're seeing it more recently with Jacob Blake, who's being elevated into a loving father of three, as opposed to a person who had an open warrant for both domestic violence and sexual assault in the third degree, and who resisted arrest.
00:16:34.000What prompted you to make that statement, and why do you think so many people in the media have been willing to simply cover up the reality of who criminal suspects are in interactions with the police?
00:16:46.000You know, when I started looking into who he was, and I had no question he was going to have a rap sheet, I knew obviously the police had not stopped this man for no reason, and I knew that it couldn't have escalated that situation unless he somehow was resisting arrest, despite having no knowledge of that.
00:16:59.000When I did look into him and I found his rap sheet, And I'm sitting here thinking that they've elevated him to such a level that they're burying him in a gold casket.
00:17:54.000A literal neurosurgeon is stupid, right?
00:17:57.000And this is a problem with black culture.
00:17:59.000And until we have the courage to go into it and say this is wrong, you can disagree with whether or not Derek Chauvin should be on his, you know, have been on his neck for that long and disregard the fact that he was high on fentanyl and high on methamphetamine in his system at the time of the arrest.
00:18:13.000But you should also disagree with elevating this person to the level of a hero.
00:18:16.000And I just felt it was weighing on me for days.
00:18:19.000Just watching people spin this man into a hero.
00:18:21.000And I said, I have to say something because this is a lie.
00:18:24.000And I don't care about the peer pressure.
00:18:26.000I don't care about, you know, you should just be quiet because let his family grieve.
00:18:35.000And we've lived our lives, apparently, a lot more nobly than he did.
00:18:39.000So, speaking of that, number one, why do you think that everybody reacted the way they did?
00:18:43.000People were very, very, very upset about all of this.
00:18:45.000And there is sort of an unspoken rule that after somebody dies, you sort of let the dead be buried, but obviously you went after him on a character level.
00:18:54.000I mean, you talked about who he was as a character.
00:18:56.000Why do you think it was important to do that?
00:18:57.000And also, why do you think It is that there is this phenomenon in American life where certain people are elevated.
00:19:02.000Even Barack Obama seems to have been denigrated in the American public mind since his presidency.
00:19:07.000When he was elected, it was a historic moment.
00:19:08.000Now, the fact that he was elected twice as a black president with an overwhelming majority is not in any way a proof that America is not racist.
00:19:16.000We have to pretend that it's extraordinarily historic that Kamala Harris has now been selected as a VP candidate, even though we just had a black president five minutes ago.
00:19:24.000You know, I would say what the left has realized is that racist sort of represents an Achilles heel in America, meaning that they know that they stroke this one issue because they've done such a good job of programming people to believe that it's still ever-present, and it's not.
00:19:37.000That they can inspire riots, they can inspire protests, and they can inspire upheaval, and that's what they want ahead of an election cycle.
00:19:43.000Uh, somehow they're pinning all this stuff in the back of conservatives.
00:20:00.000You know, we're seeing a toddler response to things, not waiting to get more information, just saying black versus white.
00:20:06.000And it's remarkable if you look at the actual headlines, right?
00:20:09.000We know that you're more likely as a white person to be killed by a black person the other way around.
00:20:14.000But when a black, when a white person is killed by a black person, the headline doesn't mention race, right?
00:20:19.000It's five-year-old got shot by a man in Chicago.
00:20:22.000But the second that they can look at the race and say, oh look, a white person did something bad to a black person, the media just completely gets in on that and just race, race, race, race, race, race, race.
00:20:32.000And again, I think it's just a tool of manipulation because if you can get somebody to react emotionally and not rationally, you can control them.
00:20:39.000And I've always just tried to be the person that says, look, pause, reflect, think rationally and wait to get all the details and don't see yourself.
00:20:47.000I certainly don't see myself as black first.
00:20:55.000And we just need to get black America to a more emotionally mature spot than they are.
00:21:00.000And it's difficult when I said, you know, as I said earlier, when you have systemic white guilt, It's very difficult to expect black Americans to react rationally rather than emotionally.
00:21:10.000So in the aftermath of your George Floyd video, famously Dave Chappelle went after you in his comedy special, and you handled it with real aplomb.
00:21:16.000I mean, you just kind of laughed it off and pointed out he's a cultural figure, he can say whatever he wants.
00:21:21.000It can't be fun to be attacked by Dave Chappelle in the way that you were attacked by Dave Chappelle.
00:21:25.000Maybe you can talk a little bit about that, and what exactly did Chappelle get wrong about George Floyd?
00:21:29.000You know, I saw it, and first off, I didn't actually find it to be funny, right?
00:21:32.000But I do believe that humor is a safe space.
00:21:35.000And the bigger thing, when I look at a perspective of that, I say, they're already silencing comedians.
00:21:39.000I don't want to be one of those people.
00:21:40.000Even though I find this to be, you know, denigrating, degrading, disrespectful, I don't really think that it's right for me to say to a comedian, you can't say what you want.
00:21:48.000But there was absolutely nothing funny about the entire 20 minutes of his speech.
00:21:52.000You know, he didn't seem to be in an emotionally good spot, if I'm being honest with you.
00:21:55.000And I think that he just took the bait on the media.
00:21:58.000I actually kind of thought, which is interesting, if you watch Dave Chappelle's old skit, he's gone after the left a lot and he's been threatened to be cancelled and they all, you know, they have something bad to say about it because he tells the truth.
00:22:07.000And I felt like he was just giving them what they wanted and attacked me.
00:22:11.000And then I had sort of the big girl perspective that here is probably, you know, the most well-renowned, well-renowned comedian.
00:22:18.000Uh, at least in America, probably abroad, and my name is being said out of his mouth, so people who don't know me are going to look me up, and they're going to see my views, and some people are going to be brought over to the side and realize, okay, what she said was not really that big of a deal, you know?
00:22:30.000She kind of told the truth, and that's kind of what I'm after.
00:22:32.000I kind of try to look at the big picture, um, and not be so selfish and egotistical when I, like, see somebody attack me.
00:22:39.000So in a second, I want to ask you about that perspective because one of the themes that runs throughout your book is this theme of anti-victimhood.
00:22:45.000This idea that you're not a victim, you have agency in your own life.
00:22:47.000I want to ask where that came from in your personal life, what's your sort of history with that, and why victimhood is so attractive to so many people on all sides of the aisle and of all colors.
00:22:55.000It's a really rich political vein for people to mine.
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00:24:13.000Alrighty, so one of the themes that you focus in a lot in Blackout is the theme that victimhood and speaking about victimhood and believing yourself to be a victim is actually extraordinarily crippling.
00:24:23.000You have some personal stories about your sort of realization that wallowing in victimhood was a terrible idea and actually crippling for your future.
00:24:31.000Maybe you can talk a little bit about that.
00:24:32.000Yeah, so I mean, people, I don't know if people in the political sphere know this, but when I was in high school, I went through what was classified as a hate crime, and I talk about that in the book, what happened, you know, who the perpetrators were, and how the media sort of, when I was in high school, took a narrative away from me because they were just like, this is perfect, we have a politician's son, called her the N-word, and we can stick a label of her as, you know, as a victim, and this person, as a racist.
00:25:00.000And very young people involved, 14 years old, 14 years old being called a racist, me being called a victim, before I really decided on who I wanted to be in life.
00:25:07.000And so I got to, you know, experience what it's like.
00:25:10.000What does it feel like being a victim?
00:25:14.000I could mine your life and tell you you've been a victim before, I've been a victim before, various things, you know, it doesn't necessarily, it doesn't need to be about race, it can be about anything, you can be a victim.
00:25:21.000But what is it about staying a victim is what the left is after, right?
00:25:25.000Like being, this is like the ultimate achievement, like this is it, you've achieved the elixir of life, be a victim.
00:25:30.000That is so harmful and so cancerous to people.
00:25:33.000We are, human beings are meant to triumph.
00:25:52.000But when I suddenly had my aha moment and realized I was a child and a narrative was taken from me, not only from me, but from these kids and people didn't know what had happened.
00:26:03.000I realized that, wow, this is completely toxic and it transformed my life.
00:26:07.000And it wasn't the way my grandparents raised me.
00:26:09.000They never raised me to see myself as a victim.
00:26:11.000My grandfather grew up on a sharecropping farm, picking cotton and laying out tobacco to dry when he was five years old.
00:26:17.000He's never once complained, never once told me I can't do something because of the color of my skin.
00:26:21.000I think it's insulting to his legacy, for me to live in this America, to run around saying that I'm a victim.
00:26:28.000So I really, really do credit my grandfather and the experiences that he championed, my grandmother and the experiences that she championed when there actually was systemic oppression against black Americans for making me feel too ashamed to grab onto this victim narrative when it comes to race.
00:26:42.000My ancestors didn't live through what they lived through so I could run around and cry about being black.
00:26:47.000So you mentioned earlier that one of your great intellectual influences was Thomas Sowell.
00:26:50.000Many people have asked me if I could pick one person in America to be president, who would it be?
00:27:10.000Shelby Steele and Thomas Solby, my top three in terms of black authors that have sort of slapped me into reality, but non-black people.
00:27:17.000Milton Friedman, right? So it's not enough. When I first got into politics, I had an idea and an itch, right? Like, you know, something's not right here. But it's not enough to just be somebody who has a feeling. You can't just keep going out there saying black people don't have to be Democrats. You need to do the research. Why are you a conservative, right? What do you stand on?
00:27:34.000Why do you believe in free markets and capitalism? Where does Western civilization come from?
00:27:40.000So there have been so many authors along the way that I had to sort of go back and learn something.
00:27:44.000I had learned all throughout public school, but it was a miseducation, not an actual education.
00:27:49.000So I had to spend years studying, reading books, and seeing everything that I had missed about Western civilization and what makes it so great.
00:27:58.000A great starting book that I always recommend people read is How the West Was Won.
00:28:01.000By Rodney Stark, it's a great book to kind of just get you kind of grounded in, you know, what is Western civilization and why are people pretending to hate it?
00:28:08.000And to make you feel prideful and to make you feel proud.
00:28:12.000And I think I am so proud to be an American.
00:28:15.000I'm proud of the story of my ancestors.
00:28:17.000I'm proud that I did not have to live through that.
00:28:19.000And I'm challenging and inspiring other black Americans to realize that we are, if you are a black American living in America today, you are a part of the most privileged black Americans that have ever walked the face of the planet.
00:28:31.000And yet you are also a part of the whiniest, right?
00:28:35.000The whiniest and the most upset black people that have ever walked the face of the planet.
00:28:41.000So let's talk a little bit about one of the critiques that's been made of your take on black America.
00:28:45.000So you've used language before where you've suggested that people need to get off the ideological plantation, for example, and there's been a critique that basically says, you know, you talk a lot about black agency.
00:28:53.000Are you depriving people of agency when you suggest that they've been indoctrinated by the educational system or when you suggest that they have been sort of told what to think, they've been lied to?
00:29:04.000Are you suggesting that people aren't freely choosing what it is that they've chosen politically, or do you really believe that it's really not a question of agency, it's a question of misinformation?
00:29:12.000Yeah, it's a question of misinformation, and people always get me wrong.
00:29:15.000They think that I say things to be theatrical when I say the democratic plantation, and people go, you shouldn't say that, you shouldn't liken it to slavery.
00:29:22.000No, actually, if you sit down and you study the model of American slavery and I say Democrat plantation because at the starting point of the Civil War all Democrats had slaves. There were no Republicans that held a slave, that owned a slave and when you look at the model of it right what was what was necessary? Illiteracy. Black Americans are not allowed to learn how to read. Look across America today.
00:30:09.000We know you actually were the person that woke me up on that.
00:30:12.000I watched an old video of yours on Black Lives Matter where you talked about, you know, 23% single motherhood rate in the 1960s, 74% at the time that you shot that.
00:30:21.000I think it's 77% as we're sitting here right now.
00:30:23.000And what was important to maintaining slavery?
00:30:27.000Making sure the family was broken down.
00:30:30.000If you read Frederick Douglass's book, His autobiography, in the first chapter, he talks about how he felt nothing when his mother died, felt nothing when he was taken away from his sisters, because that was important to maintaining the slave mentality.
00:30:40.000So, in my book, I have a book on slavery, and I really spell out, when I say Democrat plantations, I mean it.
00:30:46.000It's been updated, it's been modified, but we are very much still living on the plantation, doing the work for Democrats, and getting nothing back.
00:30:53.000Voting for them in 93% margins is, to me, that's a form of slavery.
00:30:56.000We're doing the work for you, and we're getting nothing back.
00:30:59.000Our communities don't get fixed, our children don't get brighter.
00:31:01.000So I'm a lot more thoughtful than people give me credit for.
00:31:04.000It sounds like a flamethrower, like I'm just a flamethrower, but I've thought deeply about these topics, and I believe what I say.
00:31:12.000So let's talk about some of the cultural influences that you're speaking about.
00:31:15.000So obviously, there's the culture of politics, which is very much based in race.
00:31:19.000Politicians have an awful lot of hay to make out of suggesting that people are racist.
00:31:24.000Kamala Harris is, I think, the greatest example of this I have ever seen in modern American politics, literally calling Joe Biden a racist, and then one year later, suggesting that she called him a racist because they're in the middle of a debate, which is about as transparent a move as I can possibly imagine.
00:31:38.000So you have the culture of politics, you have the culture of Hollywood, in which movies are constantly suggesting that black Americans are victims.
00:31:45.000Recently, there was a movie on Netflix I was watching with my wife, in which there was a literal speech by Jamie Foxx about how America was built to keep black women down.
00:31:52.000And then there is the culture of music.
00:31:55.000And I want to go through each one of these with you.
00:31:56.000So in terms of the cultural policies, we've gone through that a little bit.
00:31:58.000When you look at how Hollywood addresses race, what are the problems that you see there?
00:32:03.000Because obviously this is mostly a bunch of white executives who are attempting to, I think, be sympathetic or empathetic to what they think black Americans believe or want to hear or feel.
00:32:12.000What do you think about Hollywood's messages on race?
00:32:14.000Yeah, well, first and foremost, the Democrats control Hollywood.
00:32:17.000You're not allowed to be a conservative, a vocal conservative, and still keep your job, right?
00:32:21.000I mean, if you're a vocal conservative and you come out and you say something, you're cancelled, you're gone, you're out of here.
00:32:25.000And to me, it's become a huge propaganda machine.
00:32:29.000And as I mentioned earlier, when you have black Americans who are not educated, black Americans like these black boys who can't pass a basic literacy exam, Well, where are they getting their information from?
00:32:39.000That means they're watching movies, they're watching TV.
00:32:41.000Hollywood becomes the teachers, right?
00:32:43.000And I think that the Democrats have understood this for a very long time.
00:32:46.000And one of the biggest mistakes that conservatives made was giving up the culture war.
00:32:50.000The culture war is so important because so many people are not going to pick up a book But they are going to watch SNL.
00:32:55.000They're going to watch an SNL skit and they're going to accept that to be some truth.
00:32:59.000You know, that this must be what's going on because they're making fun of conservatives on Saturday Night Live.
00:33:03.000This must be what everybody thinks because it's made it to the big screen.
00:33:11.000So let's talk about the culture of music.
00:33:13.000So we have some agreements and we have some disagreements on the culture of music, famously.
00:33:16.000So when it comes to the culture of music that is consumed in the black community, obviously rap is at the top of the list.
00:33:24.000There's obviously a huge gap between the high forms of art that have been created by members of the black community and the rap culture of today.
00:33:31.000I mean, it's a pretty broad range between Nat King Cole and Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington and, say, Cardi B, who's now, I guess, interviewing former vice president of the United States.
00:34:03.000I don't like Jay-Z anymore because of his politics and I think he's being used and he's become a puppet.
00:34:07.000but growing up listening to his music actually did something different for me when I was a hopeless, impoverished person listening to his music and he talks about how he made his way out.
00:34:18.000He wasn't talking about killing a bunch of people, he was talking about business.
00:34:22.000And his Black Album, he really talks about how he would not allow industry to use him, how he understood what his worth was.
00:34:27.000These things were actually important lessons about business.
00:34:30.000business and it came in a lyrical form and it was good, right? I would say Kanye West, he's never really written about like go out, grab a gat and just kill people. But unfortunately today that's the majority of what rap has become, right?
00:34:31.000And it came in a lyrical form and it was good, right?
00:34:35.000I would say Kanye West, he's never really written about go out, grab a gat and just kill people.
00:34:39.000But unfortunately today that's the majority of what rap has become, right?
00:34:43.000And so I completely agree with your assessment about Cardi B. It is one of the biggest insults. If black Americans are not insulted by the fact that Joe Biden, who has been hiding in his basement for the entire year made an appearance and came out because he was going to do an interview with Cardi B, do we have nothing better to offer? I mean, this would be akin to Donald Trump saying, I'm going to give no interviews, but he came up and he decided to give an interview to Justin Bieber, right?
00:34:43.000And so I completely agree with your assessment about Cardi B.
00:35:06.000I mean, which I actually, Justin Bieber, I'm sorry, I know you're a Christian man, I don't want to put you in the same boat as Cardi B. But it would be absurd.
00:35:19.000You look at Cardi B's Instagram, you see she has millions of followers, and you think, okay, this is an illiterate person, and if I appeal to this illiterate person, and she does a Like, she literally did.
00:35:29.000In the middle of this interview, they think she's cool, she's hip, just by sitting here and taking this interview, black people vote for me.
00:35:36.000It's basically saying, black people, you are stupid, you are dumb, and you're so foolish.
00:35:40.000I mean, do you think, what if she just said in the middle of the interview, Joe Biden, can you name one Cardi B album?
00:35:45.000No, Joe Biden, do me a favor, just one Cardi B lyric.
00:35:48.000He couldn't do it, of course he's not, because he's being handled and they're saying, black people like this person, this is what they're into, and so here you go, talk to her.
00:35:54.000Same thing with Hillary Clinton, when she went to the breakfast club and she said she had hot sauce in her bag, right?
00:35:59.000She didn't know what Beyonce's song came from.
00:36:01.000One of her handlers said, say this, right?
00:36:04.000Probably got the questions ahead of time, say this, say you keep hot sauce in your bag, right now Beyonce's song is trending and it's hot sauce in my bag swag.
00:36:10.000And she looked like a fish out of water and said it.
00:36:15.000And she asked pointedly ridiculous questions.
00:36:18.000I want lower taxes, but I want universal health care for all.
00:36:21.000She had no idea what she was doing, and yet both Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden made the time to sit with her because they believe black people are stupid.
00:36:28.000And black people that thought, yay, that's a win.
00:36:30.000It shows you that they still believe that you are so stupid that they couldn't find many of the amazing intellectual black people that we have in the world to sit down with and ask them tough questions.
00:36:43.000You know, even if you want somebody that is a Democrat, that's fine.
00:36:46.000There are way more intellectual black Democrats you could have sat down with that you chose an illiterate rapper, because that's what she is.
00:36:54.000Well, I mean, I would have paid money to hear Joe Biden's rendition of, what else?
00:36:58.000As a popular rap artist myself, whose remix slaps significantly harder than the original, I can honestly say that Joe Biden's rendition, I would have paid good money for.
00:37:08.000So I need to ask you about the Kanye issue.
00:37:10.000So famously, you had a little bit of a tete-a-tete on Twitter when Kanye came out and he was supporting President Trump.
00:37:17.000And I said, live by the Kanye, die by the Kanye, which is mainly me saying, you know, Kanye takes a lot of positions on a lot of different issues.
00:37:23.000And you got a little bit upset about that, it seemed, on Twitter.
00:37:26.000So what do you think is the proper relationship between celebrity and politics?
00:37:29.000Because I am a strict down the line, I think that celebrities have no place in politics unless they actually know what they are talking about on any sort of deep level.
00:37:37.000I understand the impact of celebrity, I understand, but I object to it.
00:38:58.000It's a good thing for someone to say, I'm comfortable saying that I'm black and I'm a conservative in the cultural realm, especially because we know most black Americans have their eyes fixed culturally.
00:39:06.000That it just sent a huge signal that it's okay to break away from the hive mentality.
00:39:12.000Now, if Kanye was out there saying, I'd like to inform policy because I'm Kanye West, I'd like to go in, I will now be conducting the interviews, I'll sit down with candidates and make sure that what they're doing is great, I would have said, I have a problem with that, right?
00:39:23.000Because that's ridiculous to assume that because you're a cultural figure, you somehow are now smart enough to be asking political questions.
00:39:44.000As someone who's been called a Jewish Nazi for being a Republican, I certainly understand the perspective of being inside a minority group where it is considered verboten to be on a different side of the political aisle.
00:39:57.000I mean, speaking of which, you know, you talk about sort of policy influences.
00:40:00.000One of the areas in which Kanye and Kim actually did have a policy influence is on criminal justice reform.
00:40:05.000I know that you were an advocate also, I believe, of criminal justice reform.
00:40:08.000I had some difficulty with the criminal justice reform bill that the Trump administration pushed, mainly because I was not of the opinion the criminal justice system is inherently racist.
00:40:17.000I think there's a case to be made that we should cut back on the drug war because I think that there are a lot of people in jail for- Ridiculous.
00:40:23.000for silly crimes or crimes that at least they were in jail for too long for.
00:40:28.000But overall I'm not of the opinion that people are being incarcerated for no reason or that mass incarceration is a serious problem.
00:40:34.000So where are you on criminal justice reform?
00:40:36.000And do you think that that is an effective version of outreach to black Americans?
00:40:41.000I don't think there's a dichotomy here.
00:40:43.000I think you can believe in criminal justice reform without subscribing to the idea that black people are being put into jail for no reason.
00:40:52.000I do not believe that black Americans are being put into prison for no reason.
00:40:55.000But I do believe that some of the harsher sentencing that happened, you know, when Bill Clinton became president, three strikes you're out, even if it's three small things, three strikes you're out, we're wrong.
00:41:02.000And a lot of people were still serving prison sentences because of that.
00:41:05.000So I think, you know, it's good to take a look at the criminal justice system.
00:41:10.000I don't think it's great, and I'm someone who grew up with uncles that were in and out of prison.
00:41:14.000I know for a fact, when you get a kid when they're young and they're in the system, if you can help them get out, when they leave, they get $50 and a bus ticket, right?
00:41:23.000What do you expect someone who's been in prison for a year, you give them $50 and a bus ticket to do in their life, right?
00:41:28.000They usually go back to crime because they have nothing.
00:41:31.000And so their way of trying to get ahead is to steal, to rob, do these things.
00:41:34.000What I loved about what they were doing was creating these transition programs, which were so desperately needed, because you don't want somebody who's desperate dropped back into your community.
00:41:43.000You want somebody who goes, OK, we're going to help you find a job.
00:41:46.000We're going to help you get on your two feet.
00:41:48.000And that is what I loved and supported about the programming.
00:41:50.000I do not at all believe that black Americans are being targeted by the criminal justice system at all.
00:41:58.000So I want to talk to you in a second about some of the solutions that are on the table, because it seems like so much of our racial conversation is problem-focused and never solution-focused.
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00:43:30.000Okay, so let's talk about the solutions versus problems orientation of American politics It seems fairly obvious at this point that a huge number of politicians have an awfully large stake in the racial conversation so long as no solutions are actually promulgated.
00:43:43.000So Joe Biden, many Democrats, they keep throwing out the phrase systemic racism, specifically avoiding any sort of Specific definition.
00:43:50.000If you say to them, what do you mean by systemic racism?
00:43:52.000They literally will not explain it, because systemic racism technically means one of a couple things.
00:43:56.000It could mean theoretically that there's an actual policy in place that is racist.
00:44:00.000It could theoretically mean that there are racists in the United States, which is obviously true and will be true in every society for all time, for past and future, because human beings are inherently sinful and flawed.
00:44:09.000Or it could mean that historic practices have effects today But that doesn't necessarily mean that you get to implement policies that discriminate against one group in favor of another group.
00:44:18.000So the third is inarguable, that history matters, but that doesn't necessarily create a solution.
00:44:22.000It seems like anytime anybody pushes forward a solution, Democrats particularly and members of the media get very angry about the solutions that are being forwarded.
00:44:29.000So to take a prime example, Senator Tim Scott put forward a national police reform bill and it was filibustered by Democrats.
00:44:35.000Well, he was simultaneously called an Uncle Tom, which did trend during the RNC when he was speaking.
00:44:39.000So let's talk about some of the solutions that you think should be on the table in the black community, which means actively labeling some of the problems that the black community is experiencing beyond sort of a miasmatic systemic racism.
00:44:49.000I mean, I think the solution is for black Americans to fix the problems within our own community.
00:46:08.000When you start to assign attributes that are considered whiteness, speaking proper English, caring about your schoolwork, these are things that black America makes fun of black Americans for.
00:46:19.000Because they say, well that means that you're not black, unless you're speaking in colloquialisms.
00:46:30.000We have a culture problem in black America.
00:46:31.000I think the best way to fix it is for everybody to stop debating about it.
00:46:35.000Everyone stop the hand-holding and let black Americans get to work.
00:46:39.000It is amazing how many white Americans seem to want to take control of this particular debate.
00:46:42.000The entire anti-racist contingent led by Robin DiAngelo and her white fragility crew, they've attempted to regain control of racial issues in America, essentially by suggesting that black Americans cannot be expected to fix the system, that white Americans are the only ones who can fix the system since white Americans created the broken system.
00:46:59.000In the first place, this call has been taken up.
00:47:01.000by a wide variety of political figures who call for things like slavery reparations from the American government.
00:47:07.000It was taken up by the National African American Museum of History and Culture, who literally suggested in full-on white supremacist fashion that things like punctuality and delayed gratification were white attributes.
00:47:19.000So what do you say to white people who insist that, you know, they are so woke that they know better than somebody like Candace Owens what the black community needs?
00:47:44.000And yet they feel they have the authority.
00:47:47.000That white guilt has given them the authority to help me understand what it's like to be black, which is basically saying that unless I view myself as less than them, I can't be black.
00:48:00.000This idea that black Americans are suffering because of the color of their skin.
00:48:03.000I mean, imagine a world where people think Malia and Sasha Obama are suffering.
00:48:06.000That's what they're suggesting, because of the color of their skin.
00:48:09.000But Malia and Sasha Obama should be given handouts in life about their suffering, and there are all these horrible things that they're going through because of the color of their skin.
00:48:29.000We should all aspire to work harder, but it becomes impossible when we have this white guilt permeating throughout every aspect of American culture.
00:48:38.000And that is what I just absolutely hate.
00:48:43.000We have to start changing the conversation.
00:48:44.000It starts with white Americans getting out of the conversation.
00:48:47.000So getting white Americans out of the conversation, what are the discussions of race like within the black community in terms of, are there gradations and places of origin?
00:48:56.000So the media have decided, for example, that black ought to be capitalized and the term white ought not be capitalized because the term black refers to people of a common ethnicity and origin despite the fact that people from Jamaica are not the same as people from Kenya who are not the same as people from South Africa or Zimbabwe or from the United States.
00:49:12.000This is all one unified group of people.
00:49:14.000White people, however, are merely defined in opposition to black Americans.
00:49:18.000You see some of this in the treatment of Kamala Harris because there have been people like Thomas Chatterston Williams who have pointed out she's not actually an American descendant of slaves.
00:49:25.000She's a descendant of American slaves, that she is half Jamaican and she's half Indian, and that if you're going to look at the demographics of Indian Americans, Indian Americans are actually the single richest subgroup in America right now, and so it's difficult to make the case that Indian Americans are subject to vicious, brute racism.
00:49:39.000What are the discussions of race like within the black community or is it sort of irrelevant within the black community itself?
00:49:44.000It's incredibly immature, you know, and I will say that over and over again.
00:49:47.000It's incredibly immature and because they just have become so comfortable with being a victim because society has allowed it.
00:49:53.000You've allowed the toddler to throw the tantrum so many times that this is the way that they think is the method to get what they want.
00:50:01.000You know, being responsible for yourself, waking up every day, going to work, taking responsibility when you do something wrong, that's the harder path.
00:50:08.000Saying you're a victim and when you fail it's because of white people, the white boogeyman, that's very easy.
00:50:13.000And so amongst black Americans it's very hostile when a black American like me ordains a thing for themselves.
00:50:20.000And says, I don't accept this narrative, it's very hostile, it's angry, but it needs to happen.
00:50:24.000You know, I did a speech at, not Howard University, another one of the HBCUs, and when I tell you, I stood up there for three hours and just took it.
00:50:31.000Boo, yelling, I mean, just completely crazy.
00:50:34.000It would never happen in an auditorium full of white people because they'll be a tiny bit more respectful than they were being that day.
00:50:40.000But after the three hours of them just brutalizing me, at the end of it, they all kind of came up and said, you know, I want to take a picture with you.
00:50:47.000And I respect you for standing your ground.
00:51:47.000You know, in terms of Blexit, we're in 20 states now.
00:51:49.000You know, we have chapter leaders and ambassadors all across the state that are in the community actually having these discussions and knocking on doors.
00:51:55.000And I think, you know, at the height of this sort of racial unrest, there also is racial conversation.
00:52:00.000And I will tell you, when I got started, I had no black fans.
00:52:04.000It was, you're an Uncle Tom, you're a coon, you're a house negro, and that has completely transformed.
00:52:08.000and I'm inundated with emails of people thanking me.
00:52:11.000And the number one thing that they say, which I find to be incredible, is thank you for giving me my life back.
00:52:16.000And that's an incredible statement because I feel that.
00:52:19.000That's how I felt when I opened my eyes after I finished the first Thomas Soul book.
00:52:23.000I wanted to just look at him and say, thank you for giving me my life back.
00:52:26.000Now it's okay, I can go out and I can be great.
00:52:33.000You're walking around with a weight on your back, and you don't realize you've been carrying that weight until you let it go.
00:52:39.000And now I feel that I can sprint in my life, and I can go, and I can achieve things.
00:52:42.000I know I can, because I know that I'm not being oppressed because of the color of my skin.
00:52:46.000You know, that's what Blexit offers for our members all across the nation.
00:52:51.000And the reason why we did it was to create an actual community, because I think when you're a black conservative, you can think you're alone.
00:52:57.000And we wanted them to just see, you're actually not alone.
00:52:59.000There are tons of us popping up all across the state, all across America, and I do credit Donald Trump with a lot of that because he just had the courage and the audacity to say it and not apologize.
00:54:02.000Conservatives were dying because of political correctness.
00:54:04.000We needed the exact opposite of political correctness to have this opportunity, small window of opportunity to get ahead and get out in front and I think we've done that and I think conservatives have seized that. This is the first time I think that we have seen so many conservative figures find success and people don't realize that that is attached to Donald Trump not backing down, not apologizing, it's giving more people the same kind of a spine. Do we need a President Donald Trump type character forever?
00:54:43.000And I support him in every single regard.
00:54:45.000I think he's the man for the job right now.
00:54:48.000And so meanwhile, Joe Biden, of course, has been cast alternatively as the foil to Kamala Harris, who's trying to keep her from, a little black girl like her, from going to an integrated public school.
00:54:56.000And then simultaneously, the light bringer when it comes to all racial issues who can unify the country.
00:55:00.000So what do you make of Joe Biden on the issue of race?
00:55:03.000To be honest with you, I don't know where he's... I think he is mentally deteriorating.
00:55:07.000I think, obviously, if you look at his Senate record, he was not the biggest supporter of black issues.
00:55:14.000I don't think he knows where he is right now.
00:55:16.000I find it, actually, if you want to be insulted by something, it should be that despite the fact that I disagree with Kamala Harris on virtually every policy she has, she is competent.
00:55:25.000The fact that she ran against him and lost and now is his VP, it's interesting because I genuinely think that he is being hidden right now.
00:55:56.000I genuinely, They said this morning, if you walked up to a Biden supporter and you said, tell me why you're supporting Biden and don't mention Donald Trump, what would they say?
00:56:38.000It's just something you can't get a handle on, but if the election goes forward and we can vote in person, Donald Trump is going to win.
00:56:44.000I think it's going to be by a landslide.
00:56:45.000So putting aside some of the formal politics, one of the things that frightens me most is the way that corporate America has embraced some of the victim mentality.
00:56:52.000You've seen it in virtually every major, literally every day I receive emails from somebody at a major corporation who's being browbeaten to support the Black Lives Matter agenda, no matter how radical.
00:57:01.000We saw just this week that the NBA declared that they were going to cancel games in protest.
00:57:06.000It seems like corporate America has taken it upon themselves to mimic all of the most radical sentiments.
00:57:11.000Where do you think that's coming from?
00:57:12.000And do you think that there's a future for a unified country when even the most Apolitical aspects of American society are being politicized to this extent.
00:57:19.000Yeah, you know, I would say corporate America is completely spineless.
00:57:22.000We have seen in the rare examples where somebody actually stands up for their company and says, I'm not going to do that, they win.
00:57:27.000Because one thing about the left is they have ADD, right?
00:57:30.000So they're super angry about something one day, but then they forget why they're angry, because they need to be angry about something else the next day.
00:57:35.000And we saw that with, I believe it was SoulCycle.
00:57:37.000The owner of SoulCycle hosted dinner with Trump.
00:57:48.000on this boycott. But she did that and then you know what, she was angry about something else two days ago and nothing happened to SoulCycle. And they need to realize that that is what the left is. They want to see if you will capitulate, if you will do what they tell you to do, if you will get on your knees. And if you do it, they forever own you. That's the thing. They forever own you. Which is why I am so hesitant to ever apologize for things because all they want to do is expose a weak spot.
00:58:11.000Once they have you, they have So don't apologize for things that you know are ridiculous, for being a company and saying, oh, well, they have 10 white executives and only one black executive, and suddenly you're revamping your entire company, you know, because Black Lives Matter says so.
00:58:25.000Posting the black square is one of the most meaningless things that we've ever seen done all across America, but they all did it.
00:58:45.000It kind of goes against free markets and capitalism, because we're also competing globally.
00:58:50.000If you really are hiring people on the basis of their anatomy, whether they're a woman or a man, and not based off of their skill set and the merit, it doesn't work long term.
00:59:08.000And I think that eventually they will realize that they've made a dangerous mistake.
00:59:13.000It's a slippery slope, and they're going to lose.
00:59:15.000So you mentioned privilege there when you talk about Chrissy Teigen, and in your book you say at one point that liberalism is a system of remarkable privilege.
00:59:22.000What do you mean by that when you say that?
00:59:24.000Liberalism, this kind of liberalism that we're seeing today can only happen when we're all privileged.
00:59:30.000How privileged do you have to be to be able to debate bathroom signs?
00:59:33.000Like, to be able to say, this is my issue, I want them stripped, saying either man or woman, I need this sign to say any gender can go here.
00:59:39.000I mean, do you think during the Great Depression that could have been a thing?
00:59:42.000Like, do you really think when people are jumping out of buildings, losing all of their money and everything, that that would have been a thing?
00:59:47.000If somebody had said at that time, listen, I know that we're all really poor, we have nowhere to live, but these bathroom signs.
00:59:53.000Because we're doing this, in the end, these fights are getting more and more ridiculous, these battles are getting more ridiculous.
00:59:57.000It really is a sign, a symptom, of just a remarkably privileged society.
01:00:02.000Conservatism is about sense and sensibility.
01:00:04.000Everybody is a conservative in times of hardship, right?
01:00:07.000You save your money, you work hard, you're desperate to get a job, to do anything for a job, and that is what conservatism is all about.
01:00:13.000It's about grit, it's about determination, and that is sort of the picture that our founding fathers foresaw when they created this country.
01:00:21.000And then when we are privileged and everything works because of a conservative system, you end up with privilege.
01:00:33.000Half the time when you see these kids getting arrested, I think they should arrest the parents, too.
01:00:36.000Who raised this? Who did this? How did you turn out being a kid that put on a black mask and threw in a Molotov cocktail into somebody's business?
01:00:44.000Right? And that really is, it's a symptom of the baby boomer generation, which I get into in my book, something that Shelby Steele helped me understand, because they were the first generation that won the argument against their parents because the media told them everything your parents did was wrong, because they were the Jim Crow generation, and now you are right, and you have the agency, and you know everything.
01:01:04.000And it's something that we need to sort of just focus on and get people to realize that they're bratty, they're spoiled, they're overprivileged and that's really what's happening in America today.
01:01:12.000So you mentioned social media there, and the Black Square posting, and all of the sort of virtue signaling that happens on social media, all the viciousness.
01:01:18.000Twitter, obviously, is a place to dunk and be dunked upon, is the way that I've put it.
01:02:08.000You know, because it downgrades when he gets up there and says racism is what's happening everywhere, and it's because of we're bad, we're white, and you and I can counter that narrative in one tweet.
01:02:16.000You and I in one tweet can dwarf all of CNN's viewership.
01:02:19.000That makes them uncomfortable, and we need that.
01:02:37.000And PragerU, obviously, is sort of a sister company for Daily Wire.
01:02:39.000We've worked very heavily with them in the past.
01:02:41.000So what prompted you to decide to move over to PragerU, which was a real shift in what you were doing?
01:02:46.000Yeah, so one of the things about Turning Point is it's such an important battle to say we're going to fight and win college campuses.
01:02:51.000The first thing is I got into this because I wanted to change black hearts and black minds.
01:02:55.000Can't really do that on college campuses because unfortunately most black Americans don't make it to college campuses.
01:03:00.000So I felt like Charlie and I were sort of doing the same routine over and over again, but was I actually doing what I set out to do?
01:03:06.000The second thing is that because Turning Point is a company that is focused on college campuses, everybody that works there is fresh out of college.
01:03:23.000And when everybody has a meltdown about it, I mean, Charlie was inundated with emails from people, you know, Turning Point girls that are on campus being like, I can't believe Candace supports rape.
01:03:36.000This is, you know, they're young, I get that, but I'm obviously not saying I support rape by saying that I don't support the Me Too movement.
01:03:42.000So I kind of got too big, in a way, where I sort of felt like this isn't fair for Charlie to have to keep explaining to these younger people who are just kind of experimenting with conservatism.
01:03:52.000And PragerU is obviously, when I say a more mature organization, I mean that they don't have a bunch of 20-year-olds that work there, and they're not a student organization.
01:04:01.000They're making five-minute videos that are very focused.
01:04:03.000They sort of understand a bit better the battle that we're in, and they stand by it.
01:04:06.000I mean, PragerU, I'm getting accused of being literally Hitler.
01:04:09.000This is a Jewish organization, and they stand by it, and it's just easier.
01:04:19.000Ben Shapiro owns, you know, Candace Owens owns this.
01:04:22.000But I was kind of looking for a bit more, a longer dialogue to have people on my show, and to learn.
01:04:26.000I mean, I have people on my show that are much smarter than me, and I get to sit down there, and I get to sit there, and I get to learn in an hour.
01:04:33.000Soak up all of Larry Elder, soak up Dennis Prager.
01:04:36.000And so I was just sort of ready for the next step.
01:04:39.000So how does your career match up to what you thought it was going to be 15 years ago?
01:04:45.000It has been a blessing in every single regard.
01:04:48.000I thank God for the platform that I have.
01:04:50.000Of course, there are moments where, you know, I think, and I'm sure you understand this, when you go through a firestorm or you're getting death threats, the responsibility that you feel to your family, that's the hardest part.
01:05:27.000I want to look back and say, she became a Larry Elder or a Thomas Sowell.
01:05:32.000So I've been doing a lot of studying and I don't know where it's going to go.
01:05:35.000And who knows, maybe it all ends tomorrow.
01:05:38.000But I think I've been cancelled so many times and I can't be cancelled anymore.
01:05:42.000So, you know, it's just, God has a plan for everybody.
01:05:45.000And His plan is never for anyone to be a victim.
01:05:48.000And I hope that my life teaches other people that.
01:05:50.000So in a second, I'm going to ask you a few more questions, a few final questions about the future of the Republican Party, and where you think the Republican Party is going to go, and some personal questions.
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01:06:10.000Well, Candace Owens, thanks so much for stopping by.
01:06:11.000Be sure to grab a copy of Candace's brand new book, Blackout.
01:06:14.000Candace, thanks again, this was awesome.