The Ben Shapiro Show - Cohen’s Big Day | Ep. 519

00:00:00.000 Michael Cohen goes to court, Starbucks faces down a boycott, and did Tom Brady threaten Stormy Daniels or what the heck?

00:00:05.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:11.000 So the reality TV show simulation in which we have been living continues to pace today.

00:00:17.000 There's a lot of big news coming out from various and sundry areas of American life, including the Michael Cohen investigation, the Starbucks boycott.

00:00:27.000 We have a lot to get to.

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00:01:30.000 Okay, so, the big story yesterday, of course, was that Michael Cohen's lawyers went to court to try and get access to the information that the FBI had seized from Michael Cohen last week.

00:01:45.000 So, as you recall, last week, the FBI raided Michael Cohen's office.

00:01:47.000 Michael Cohen, of course, is the personal lawyer to President Trump.

00:01:50.000 I don't know.

00:02:15.000 I think so.

00:02:38.000 From Michael Cohen's office so that we can go through and make an argument about what it is the FBI should see and what the FBI should not see.

00:02:44.000 They wanted a special master, appointed a special master as a person who is not related to the case, who can actually look through all the documents and determine what ought to remain privileged and what ought not to remain privileged.

00:02:53.000 And yesterday, the court ruled sort of in Cohen's favor, sort of not in Cohen's favor.

00:02:57.000 Again, I think that's kind of weak. 0.98

00:02:58.000 I don't think that Kimba Wood is doing the satanic work of George Soros or anything stupid like that. 0.95

00:03:25.000 Lawyers for Trump attorney Michael Cohen, according to the AP, had asked for the appointment of a so-called special master to review the material and make sure nothing protected by attorney-client privilege winds up at the hands of investigators. 0.95

00:03:34.000 She was saying, well, normally there's what is called a taint team and then there's a clean team.

00:03:38.000 Of course, we're going to end up in a situation with Stormy Daniels and Donald Trump where a taint team was called.

00:03:43.000 What a taint team actually is.

00:03:45.000 It's not some sort of pornographic term, although it may very well be.

00:03:48.000 I don't know enough about pornography.

00:03:49.000 But a taint team, in legal parlance, is a group of people in the FBI whose job it is to look at the documents without actually turning over the main documents that are privileged to the prosecutors.

00:04:02.000 So they are sort of a separate team that looks through and says, here's what prosecutors are allowed to see legally, and here's what they're not allowed to see legally.

00:04:08.000 I think?

00:04:26.000 Satisfying one-night stand in Donald Trump's long history of one-night stands, I think it is fair to say.

00:04:31.000 Okay, well, one of the other things that happened in court yesterday, and this is what made all the headlines, is that Michael Cohen has ten—he says he has ten clients.

00:04:38.000 So, Michael Cohen is not a very good lawyer.

00:04:40.000 I know he's not a very good lawyer because he went to one of the worst law schools in America.

00:04:43.000 And now, Michael Cohen has a very select group of clients.

00:04:46.000 He has seven people who he apparently represents legally, and then he has three people for whom he's a lawyer, but he doesn't really do legal work for them.

00:04:52.000 He sort of does other work for them.

00:04:55.000 One of those people was Donald Trump, and so Michael Cohen was presumably making payoffs on behalf of Donald Trump to people like Stormy Daniels.

00:05:01.000 And the second person that he was representing this way was Elliott Broidy.

00:05:03.000 Elliott Broidy, of course, was the former deputy finance director for the RNC.

00:05:07.000 He just had to resign last week after it came out that Michael Cohen had shelled out $1.7 million to some woman to pay her off to have an abortion.

00:05:15.000 A Playboy model who'd had sex with Broidy and then got pregnant, and he paid her to have an abortion and then cover it up. 0.89

00:05:21.000 And then the third client was a mystery.

00:05:22.000 This third client, who was not fully a legal client, but also was, you know, but was not necessarily engaged in the sort of hanky-panky that Trump or Broidy wore.

00:05:32.000 That third legal client's name had remained secret up until yesterday.

00:05:36.000 So in the courtroom, that third legal client's name was revealed, and that third client, it turns out, was Sean Hannity.

00:05:40.000 So the left went completely nuts over this.

00:05:41.000 They went nuts for a couple of reasons.

00:05:43.000 The first reason is, they suggested

00:05:45.000 We're good to go.

00:06:07.000 This was revealed yesterday in a dramatic moment in court and all of the media were aghast.

00:06:11.000 Oh my goodness, Sean Hannity being implicated here.

00:06:15.000 Okay, first of all, Sean Hannity's known Michael Cohen for a long time.

00:06:17.000 Sean Hannity's been close friends with Donald Trump for a long time.

00:06:19.000 They talk on the phone on a regular basis. 0.98

00:06:21.000 The idea that Hannity was not talking to Cohen in some sort of way is, I think, silly. 0.64

00:06:28.000 And everybody who knew Sean knew that he and Cohen were friendly.

00:06:31.000 So it's not exactly a huge shock to learn that Cohen was technically his attorney, or at least one of his attorneys.

00:06:36.000 Sean says he has eight attorneys, and Cohen is one of them.

00:06:39.000 You know, the question is what exactly they were talking about, whether it's privilege or whether there was any criminal activity going on. 1.00

00:06:44.000 If there's no evidence of criminal activity, then I fail to see exactly how anything is wrong here, other than Sean has a lawyer who happens to be an idiot. 0.98

00:06:51.000 Right, so this is what happened according to the AP. 0.93

00:06:52.000 So, the question here was whether attorney-client confidentiality extends to the fact that you are a client of an attorney.

00:06:57.000 So, if you are my client, am I allowed to say in open court that you are my client?

00:06:59.000 And typically speaking,

00:07:19.000 Attorney-client privilege and attorney-client confidentiality does not attach to the very fact that I am your lawyer.

00:07:25.000 If the judge asks me, then I pretty much have to say, the real question is, what does this have to do with anything?

00:07:30.000 Like, who cares?

00:07:31.000 Why is this a big deal in any way?

00:07:34.000 Again, there are two reasons why the left wants to make this a big deal.

00:07:37.000 One is that they hate Sean Hannity and they want Sean Hannity to go down in flames, and so therefore they are suggesting that Sean Hannity had something nefarious going on with Michael Cohen, that he's paying somebody off, that he's like Elliot Broidy or Donald Trump in his relationship with Cohen.

00:07:50.000 There's no evidence of that at all.

00:07:51.000 Sean has come out.

00:07:52.000 He said, listen, I didn't pay.

00:07:53.000 I didn't pay Cohen for any substantial legal work.

00:07:56.000 I didn't pay him in connection with any third parties, meaning I didn't pay.

00:07:58.000 I didn't tell him to pay anybody off.

00:08:00.000 I used to call Michael Cohen for sort of basic legal advice on real estate.

00:08:04.000 Now, maybe that's true.

00:08:06.000 Maybe that's not.

00:08:06.000 Maybe Sean calls Cohen for a variety of reasons, including just to talk politics.

00:08:10.000 And he wants that covered by attorney client privilege because he doesn't want his communications with Cohen coming out in the wash.

00:08:15.000 Maybe, for example, Sean talked with Cohen about something controversial, like when Sean was talking about Seth Rich, and he talked about Cohen with that or something.

00:08:22.000 That's possible.

00:08:23.000 That's possible.

00:08:24.000 But, again, if Cohen's his lawyer, that's not a big deal.

00:08:27.000 And also, attorney-client privilege does not attach to non-legal matters.

00:08:30.000 So, if I have a lawyer and I talk to my lawyer about golf,

00:08:33.000 Attorney-client privilege is not attached to my actual conversations with my lawyer about golf.

00:08:37.000 It only attaches to the things that are actually matters at hand in which you need legal advice.

00:08:42.000 In any case, reason number one is the left wants to go after Sean.

00:08:44.000 Reason number two is that they are suggesting that Sean should have disclosed on air last week that Michael Cohen was his attorney.

00:08:51.000 That's true, okay?

00:08:52.000 I think it's true that Sean should have said that Michael Cohen was his attorney.

00:08:56.000 So I think it's the world's biggest deal.

00:08:58.000 Not particularly, because I think that it's pretty obvious that Sean is very, very deeply ensconced in Team Trump.

00:09:03.000 Again, he's been very friendly with Michael Cohen for a long time.

00:09:05.000 This has been widespread public knowledge.

00:09:07.000 He talks with President Trump all the time.

00:09:09.000 So it's not like Bret Baier was failing to disclose a relationship with Michael Cohen.

00:09:13.000 Sean Hannity was failing to disclose a relationship with somebody who was close to Team Trump.

00:09:17.000 Is that good?

00:09:18.000 No.

00:09:18.000 I mean, when I have situations on this show in which I know players who are being talked about, I will typically tell you as often as I possibly can.

00:09:27.000 I mean, I can't imagine a situation, which I haven't actually, where I know the players at issue or I have some sort of legal relationship with the players at issue.

00:09:35.000 The good news is I haven't been a lawyer for virtually anybody except for Steven Crowder.

00:09:38.000 So, that usually doesn't come up.

00:09:40.000 That said, I think the left's reaction to this has been over-the-top because the left is always over-the-top.

00:09:46.000 Every story is a bombshell story.

00:09:48.000 So, Juan Williams over on Fox News, he says, First of all,

00:09:55.000 Do you really think that Sean would have changed his opinion on the raid of Michael Cohen if he hadn't been a client of Cohen's?

00:10:00.000 Do you really think that Sean would have been like, yeah, you know what?

00:10:02.000 Now the raid's great.

00:10:03.000 I wasn't a client of Cohen's.

00:10:04.000 I have no problem with the raid.

00:10:04.000 It's great.

00:10:05.000 Of course not.

00:10:06.000 Sean is a big Trump fan.

00:10:08.000 And Sean thinks that, I think with some evidence, that this targeted hit

00:10:12.000 On President Trump extends to a targeted hit on Michael Cohen.

00:10:15.000 There are a lot of people who feel that way who are not clients of Michael Cohen.

00:10:17.000 So I just, again, should Trump have revealed it?

00:10:20.000 Sure.

00:10:20.000 Do I think that this is a world shattering, earth breaking thing?

00:10:24.000 Not particularly, but the left obviously disagrees.

00:10:26.000 Here's Juan Williams.

00:10:27.000 The question for me is why Sean didn't disclose this earlier.

00:10:31.000 Because in the previous two cases, Sean says there's no third party.

00:10:34.000 He's obviously referring to the idea that Cohen was setting up payments to women for Trump and for Elliot Brody, the guy who's the RNC donor.

00:10:42.000 And I don't think there's any evidence of anything like that with Sean Hannity.

00:10:46.000 But why, when Sean was on the air, strongly an advocate for President Trump, not saying, hey, I've got a relationship with the lawyer?

00:10:55.000 I think that's a question.

00:10:58.000 Okay, and I think that there's probably some truth to this.

00:11:00.000 Again, Sean should have just said, listen, I have a legal relationship with Michael Cohen, I know Michael Cohen, I think he's a good guy, or we talk a lot, whatever it is.

00:11:06.000 You know, the audience should probably know about it, but do I think that this is the end of the world?

00:11:10.000 No.

00:11:10.000 The media obviously disagree.

00:11:11.000 A CNN panel yesterday went nuts about Sean Hannity not disclosing his ties to Cohen on air.

00:11:17.000 Again, would I think that this were the end of the world if it were Rachel Maddow and Rachel Maddow had a relationship with, say, Hillary Clinton's lawyer?

00:11:23.000 Not particularly, because I assume that Rachel Maddow is a political hack on behalf of Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:11:27.000 So why exactly would I be upset that she's not disclosing information that would make her more of a hack for Hillary Clinton, for example?

00:11:33.000 I think some of the same things about Sean, you know, with regard to Trump.

00:11:36.000 He's obviously a big fan of Trump.

00:11:38.000 He's a partisan on behalf of Trump.

00:11:39.000 I don't think the math changes very much if Michael Cohen is his lawyer versus Michael Cohen not being his lawyer again.

00:11:43.000 That doesn't mean that Sean shouldn't have said anything.

00:11:45.000 It just means I don't think the impact of this is tremendous.

00:11:48.000 I'll show you how the media have responded to this, though, in a second.

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00:13:02.000 All right, so the media have decided that it is the end of the world that Sean Hannity did not disclose his relationship with Michael Cohen.

00:13:08.000 Again, I think Sean should have, so I think it's the end of the world.

00:13:10.000 I really don't.

00:13:11.000 But here's the CNN panel yesterday going nuts over all of this.

00:13:14.000 I think we're seeing how this really tight-knit universe works.

00:13:17.000 And if it is right that this wasn't ever about a third party, this was about Hannity calling up to seeking legal advice from Michael Cohen once in a while.

00:13:24.000 How can you be going on the air every night talking about Michael Cohen defending the president and have this relationship you're not telling your viewers about?

00:13:31.000 That is certainly sketchy at the very least.

00:13:33.000 Well, you're either someone's attorney or you're not.

00:13:36.000 And you either have attorney-client privilege or you don't.

00:13:40.000 That's what I don't understand here.

00:13:42.000 Does Fox News know, or did they know, that he had this relationship?

00:13:45.000 And if they didn't know, then he hung them out to dry as well, and exposed them to a challenge to their credibility, which is not a good thing for any news network.

00:13:52.000 Again, we're not talking about a straight reporter.

00:13:54.000 We're not talking about Brett Baier.

00:13:55.000 We're not talking about Chris Waltz.

00:13:57.000 We're talking about Sean Hannity, who's been maybe the most partisan host on behalf of President Trump since the election cycle.

00:14:02.000 Again, I don't think the impact here is tremendous, but the left uses any excuse in order to try and knock hosts off the air.

00:14:07.000 You saw a couple of weeks ago they tried to knock Laura Ingraham off the air because she said something untoward about David Hogg, the Parkland survivor.

00:14:14.000 And now they're trying to knock Sean off the air on the basis that he has conversations with Michael Cohen on an infrequent basis, apparently.

00:14:20.000 Representative Jerry Connolly, who's a Democrat, he says Sean Hannity should be fired over all of this.

00:14:24.000 Of course, he thinks Hannity should be fired every day of the week.

00:14:27.000 And now what we learn is, as he's defending the President's lawyer on television, he has a conflict of interest.

00:14:34.000 An ethical conflict of interest.

00:14:36.000 He is one of those clients.

00:14:38.000 He never revealed that.

00:14:39.000 And I think that's a big stain on certainly Mr. Hannity, but also Fox News.

00:14:44.000 So what do you think Fox News should do?

00:14:47.000 I think they ought to fire Sean Hannity.

00:14:49.000 We are so far down the rabbit hole at this point.

00:14:51.000 Does anyone remember where this started?

00:14:53.000 This whole thing?

00:14:54.000 This whole thing started with an accusation that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia.

00:14:57.000 What in the world does Sean Hannity, being a client of Michael Collins, have to do with Trump and Russia?

00:15:02.000 What does any of this have to do with Trump and Russia at this point?

00:15:06.000 This is how far afield we have gone.

00:15:08.000 And it gets even worse.

00:15:08.000 We're going to talk about Stormy Daniels in just a second.

00:15:11.000 She appeared on The View today and she just, I thought, made a fool of herself. 1.00

00:15:16.000 But again, what does any of this have to do with anything? 0.92

00:15:19.000 Not much.

00:15:20.000 Now, does it expose Trump to legal jeopardy?

00:15:21.000 Sure, because Trump is exposed to legal jeopardy in a variety of ways.

00:15:26.000 Again, I think that the reality TV show simulation in which we live has become too bizarre even for me, and I usually enjoy the bizarre nature of all of this.

00:15:35.000 OK, so meanwhile, Stormy Daniels, the porn star from such great flicks as The Witches of Brestwick, was appearing on The View.

00:15:42.000 Now, remember, Stormy Daniels is only on TV because she signed an agreement with Donald Trump's lawyer, Michael Cohen, to take $130,000 to shut up about that one time she had sex with Trump back in 2006. 0.97

00:15:52.000 And now, there's a claim that there was a campaign finance violation because Michael Cohen funneled money through an LLC, and it wasn't Trump's money, and it wasn't a campaign payoff, and so it's an in-kind contribution.

00:16:02.000 Okay, the case here, legally, is somewhat weak.

00:16:05.000 It's not the strongest case in the world.

00:16:06.000 But this is the only reason Stormy Daniels is relevant.

00:16:08.000 I recapitulate this because I think it's important to recognize that while we are stuck in the tawdry details of the president having sex with a porn star, and the media are trying to generate a narrative of Stormy Daniels as some sort of awesome victim of the system here, Stormy Daniels is not a victim of the system.

00:16:22.000 She had voluntary sex with President Trump, she signed a voluntary agreement with then-candidate Trump, and then she took the money until she decided not to take the money anymore.

00:16:31.000 And so Stormy Daniels is not a victim here.

00:16:32.000 She herself says she is not a victim here.

00:16:34.000 The only situation in which she said she was a victim is she suggests that back in 2011, a member of Donald Trump's entourage, somebody related to Trump, threatened her in a parking lot because she was going to talk about her sex with Trump in In Touch Weekly or some such nonsense.

00:16:48.000 So this was, so she was on with, she was on with the ladies of The View today.

00:16:53.000 And she was making some rather astonishing claims on The View, such as she says that, you know, she's really upset about all of this.

00:16:59.000 She says this isn't—she legitimately said, this isn't—she said, this is not what I want to be known for. 0.99

00:17:06.000 You are a porn star, lady. 1.00

00:17:08.000 Like, this is not what you want to be known for. 1.00

00:17:09.000 You don't want to be known for being part of a giant presidential scandal because you'd rather be known for the lesbian sex scenes that you did that are available on, like, Google Images. 0.60

00:17:18.000 Like, that's what you'd rather be known for? 0.91

00:17:20.000 Like, that's your thing?

00:17:21.000 Again, I don't think this—it's not like her other life accomplishments have been obscured by this.

00:17:25.000 She's getting paid more to strip now than she ever was before she admits this. 1.00

00:17:29.000 Okay, but it wasn't just that.

00:17:30.000 She then revealed a sketch of the guy she says threatened her in 2011.

00:17:35.000 Now, again, I found that whole story less than credible, that some guy came up to her in a parking lot and threatened her.

00:17:39.000 Do I think it's completely non-credible?

00:17:41.000 No, maybe it happened, maybe it didn't, but this is the sketch of the guy.

00:17:46.000 He looks exactly like Tom Brady.

00:17:48.000 Like, exactly.

00:17:49.000 She said this happened in 2011.

00:17:50.000 If I can show you a picture of Tom Brady from 2011, he had exactly that hair.

00:17:54.000 So Tom Brady, as we know, is very close with President Trump, obviously.

00:17:56.000 And so it's all beginning to come together.

00:17:58.000 This whole scandal is beginning to come together.

00:18:00.000 President Trump nailed Stormy Daniels in 2006 on a voluntary basis, consensual basis.

00:18:05.000 In 2011, he sent Tom Brady in his off hours to go and threaten Stormy Daniels in a parking lot with her child present.

00:18:12.000 And then Tom Brady went on to be participant and deflate it.

00:18:15.000 I mean, listen, we cannot trust Tom Brady.

00:18:17.000 This man right here?

00:18:18.000 Untrustworthy.

00:18:20.000 OK, Tom Brady is the reason that everything bad has happened in the United States for the last 15 years.

00:18:24.000 I think that is eminently clear from this sketch that we have now seen.

00:18:28.000 Pretty, pretty amazing.

00:18:30.000 Pretty amazing.

00:18:30.000 So Tom Brady.

00:18:32.000 I've also heard suggestions that this is young Willem Dafoe or that there are a lot of suspects that this is Michael C. Hall from Dexter.

00:18:39.000 And so Stormy Daniels is lucky to be alive.

00:18:42.000 I've heard I've heard a bunch of a bunch of

00:18:44.000 Comparisons, as far as who this sketch is, but how crazy is our politics that we are now sitting around looking at sketches of a guy, a rando from 2011 who looks so generically white model that you could not pick anyone who looks like this out of a lineup?

00:18:58.000 There are legitimately 10 people you can name off the top of your head who look exactly like this guy.

00:19:01.000 Is it Timothy Oliphant?

00:19:02.000 No one knows, right?

00:19:04.000 It legitimately could be anyone.

00:19:06.000 It could be the doll from Team America.

00:19:08.000 Right.

00:19:08.000 It could be all these people are available.

00:19:11.000 So it's it's just it's just amazing.

00:19:13.000 It's just amazing.

00:19:14.000 So Megan McCain was it was grilling Stormy Daniels. 1.00

00:19:17.000 And again, this is also it's also just see me and ridiculous.

00:19:21.000 Apparently, Stormy said on The View that she did not come up with the name Make America Horny again, which is the name of her dance tour.

00:19:28.000 Yeah, she's not in it for the publicity at all. 0.76

00:19:29.000 No one's in it for the publicity.

00:19:30.000 Everybody is here for

00:19:32.000 You know, really good, solid American reasons.

00:19:34.000 We're all doing this for good, solid American reasons.

00:19:36.000 It has nothing to do with publicity.

00:19:38.000 Nothing.

00:19:39.000 And she says that, yes, I am dancing more, I'm making more money, I'm spending more money.

00:19:42.000 She says she's pursuing her dream of directing a horror movie, but the people involved in the project have ghosted her.

00:19:48.000 That is absolute nonsense.

00:19:49.000 I mean, I'm sure maybe it happened, but if you think that Stormy Daniels can't get a film produced right now, Stormy Daniels could get 10 films produced right now, so long as she's in it and they have a Trump stand in. 1.00

00:19:58.000 No question.

00:20:00.000 I just—that sketch just gets me.

00:20:02.000 I just love the sketch.

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00:20:10.000 Now we are so much closer to discovering that Gary from Team America was the guy who really threatened Stormy Daniels. 1.00

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00:21:52.000 Okay. 0.93

00:21:54.000 So, in other stupid news, apparently there's now a boycott being launched against Starbucks. 0.98

00:21:58.000 So why is this Starbucks boycott being launched? 0.99

00:22:01.000 Well, because there was a tape that came out.

00:22:04.000 In Philadelphia of two black men who were apparently arrested.

00:22:09.000 This is a clip eight two black men being arrested because they were because they supposedly asked to use the restroom and they were told that they could not or they were hanging around the I think it was that they were hanging around the Starbucks for like 15 minutes waiting for a friend to arrive and the manager called the cops on them.

00:22:27.000 Here's the tape of it.

00:22:33.000 You can see the police show up and they're talking to some of the people in the establishment.

00:22:41.000 So the cops were called apparently for trespass.

00:22:57.000 I don't

00:23:16.000 It's not the police's fault, right?

00:23:39.000 Thank you.

00:23:56.000 The police commissioner Richard Ross said store employees called 911 to report a disturbance and trespassing.

00:24:00.000 When officers arrived, Ross said, staff told them the two men had wanted to use the restroom, but were informed it was only for paying customers.

00:24:05.000 The pair reputedly refused to leave when politely asked to do so by employees and officers, he said.

00:24:10.000 If you think about it logically, that if a business calls and they say someone is here, that I no longer wish to be in my business, the officers now have a legal obligation to carry out their duties, and they did just that, said Ross.

00:24:18.000 They're professional in all their dealings with these gentlemen, and instead they got the opposite back.

00:24:22.000 And then Ross, who by the way is black, said he was acutely aware of implicit bias.

00:24:26.000 He said,

00:24:40.000 Sensitivity training.

00:24:41.000 Implicit bias training.

00:24:41.000 First of all, implicit bias training is completely useless.

00:24:44.000 The studies on implicit bias training demonstrate that implicit bias itself is not a good gauge.

00:24:48.000 Implicit bias, for those who don't know, if you've been in college recently, I'm sure you've taken this test.

00:24:53.000 An implicit bias test is you sit at a computer and they show you a series of faces.

00:24:57.000 Black faces and white faces. 0.68

00:24:59.000 And then they show you on the other side of the screen a series of words.

00:25:01.000 Good, bad, angry, smart.

00:25:04.000 And then they see how fast you click the button

00:25:07.000 To associate the words in the image.

00:25:10.000 So if you are slower to identify smart and black than you are for smart and white, this means you are implicitly biased.

00:25:16.000 The problem with IATs, implicit bias assessment tests, is that they're not statistically significant, meaning that they're not repeatable.

00:25:25.000 I can take the test twice and get two completely different scores.

00:25:27.000 You can train for the test.

00:25:29.000 And there is no evidence whatsoever that so-called implicit bias in this way actually

00:25:34.000 We're good to go.

00:25:51.000 One of the problems that I have with some of the tapes that are being released, that wasn't the only tape that was released.

00:25:54.000 There was another tape that was also released, this one from today, in which a black man was at a Starbucks in Los Angeles and he claims that this is on Hawthorne.

00:26:02.000 OK, so let it be known that the area around Hawthorne is heavily minority.

00:26:06.000 OK, this this Starbucks is in a very heavily minority area.

00:26:08.000 So I really doubt that the manager at this particular Starbucks has never seen a black person in her establishment before.

00:26:14.000 What you're going to see in this tape is that the guy who's taping tapes a white guy coming out of the restroom and then he asks the white guy coming out of the restroom if the guy was asked to buy anything by the manager.

00:26:25.000 And then he goes to the manager and he says, well, I wasn't allowed to use the restroom if I hadn't bought anything.

00:26:29.000 And the lady says, I'm going to ask you to leave. 0.90

00:26:32.000 And the guy refuses to leave.

00:26:33.000 This guy posted the tape. 0.89

00:26:34.000 And then he suggests that the Starbucks manager, who, by the way, is Asian, is a racist.

00:26:38.000 So here's what that sounds like.

00:26:40.000 So, uh, I would like Starbucks right here on Redondo, on Artesia, and Hardcorn.

00:26:44.000 This man right here said he hasn't made, he said he hasn't made a purchase yet.

00:26:48.000 He's in line to make a purchase, and you guys haven't get, you guys, you guys had gave him the code, right?

00:26:54.000 Is that what you did?

00:26:55.000 No, this is not your business.

00:26:56.000 This is not your business.

00:26:58.000 This is not your business, though.

00:26:59.000 Okay, you may be a store manager, but you're not in charge.

00:27:03.000 I'm not allowed to be in here anymore.

00:27:06.000 You see, they're so mad.

00:27:07.000 Why are they upset with me, Weston?

00:27:08.000 What did I do?

00:27:09.000 I just tried to use the bathroom like you did, and they gave it to you.

00:27:13.000 Is it my skin color?

00:27:14.000 Is it my skin color?

00:27:15.000 Is it my skin color?

00:27:16.000 Is it my skin color?

00:27:17.000 I couldn't use the bathroom, but Weston could.

00:27:19.000 Amen.

00:27:19.000 I feel it may be my skin color.

00:27:21.000 Hey, but this is about to be on social media.

00:27:23.000 It's about to go in the shade room.

00:27:25.000 Okay, so Sean King posted this, the columnist for the New York Daily News, and he suggested, of course, that this is just demonstration of more implicit racism on the part of employees at places like Starbucks.

00:27:35.000 And here's my problem with tapes like this.

00:27:37.000 We don't have the whole tape.

00:27:40.000 OK, we don't know what happened in the 10 minutes prior to the tape.

00:27:42.000 All we know is this guy walks up to the manager and then he suggests that he's not being allowed to use the bathroom because she's a racist.

00:27:48.000 At one point, she starts to say, no, I'm actually asking you to leave because and then cuts her off.

00:27:52.000 So how are we supposed to know why the manager did this?

00:27:54.000 You know, we don't know what happened in this original store in Philadelphia.

00:27:57.000 There are a couple of witnesses, you see on that tape, that there's a white guy who says these black guys weren't doing anything, but we don't know when he came in.

00:28:04.000 We haven't heard from the manager.

00:28:06.000 We don't know what the manager had to say about the situation.

00:28:07.000 Again, Philadelphia is a very heavily black town, so I can't imagine that Starbucks has never had black patrons before.

00:28:13.000 I can't imagine that blacks are barred from the Starbucks over there. 0.97

00:28:16.000 All I'm asking is, I'm suggesting that we may not know the whole story here.

00:28:19.000 Maybe we do know the whole story.

00:28:20.000 If we do know the whole story, then the employees should be fired, right?

00:28:22.000 But if we don't know the whole story, then why are we jumping to the conclusion that Starbucks employees are essentially racist, especially in areas where they're dealing with black folks all the time?

00:28:32.000 Is it possible that the people in Philadelphia sat down at the table and asked to use the bathroom, and then when they were told they could not until they bought something, they just refused to leave?

00:28:41.000 And they just stayed there?

00:28:42.000 Is it possible that they're acting threatening toward the manager?

00:28:45.000 I don't know any of this, right?

00:28:46.000 It's all speculation.

00:28:47.000 It's possible that everything I'm saying right now is completely incorrect.

00:28:49.000 But you don't know either.

00:28:51.000 And neither does anybody else.

00:28:52.000 The media don't know.

00:28:53.000 Presumably the manager knows.

00:28:54.000 Presumably the people who were involved in the incident know.

00:28:56.000 But we haven't heard from the manager.

00:28:57.000 We still haven't heard a defense from the manager of exactly what happened inside that Starbucks.

00:29:02.000 And now we're gonna retrain thousands of employees across the country, including black employees across the country, in implicit bias without knowing the whole story?

00:29:09.000 This is one of the things that just drives me up a wall.

00:29:11.000 If you're going to suggest that there is implicit bias, that there's some sort of evil racism rampant throughout American society, at least give me the whole story.

00:29:19.000 At least I have to have the whole tape.

00:29:20.000 There are racists, okay?

00:29:22.000 And we've shown some of those racists over the past couple of years on this program doing overtly racist things, and we have called them out on it.

00:29:28.000 But if I don't know the whole story, am I going to jump to the conclusion that this guy's telling the truth?

00:29:32.000 That conveniently, the very day after a national controversy involving a black man not being able to go to the bathroom in a Starbucks, another manager across the country, on the other side of the country, did the exact same thing to a black man.

00:29:42.000 So I think that that's a little convenient for the narrative.

00:29:45.000 I think it's a little convenient for the narrative.

00:29:47.000 I don't think this is a massive widespread problem all across the country.

00:29:51.000 And by the way, when my kids have to go to the bathroom at Starbucks, I buy something at Starbucks.

00:29:55.000 And if they asked me to leave a restaurant, I would leave a restaurant.

00:29:58.000 But again, I think people are apt to jump to conclusions that please them most rather than waiting for all the facts.

00:30:04.000 As I say, if the testimony of these folks is true, then the person should be fired.

00:30:11.000 You called the cops on someone for no reason?

00:30:13.000 You should lose your job.

00:30:15.000 I want to know the entire story.

00:30:17.000 And this is, again, one of my pet peeves, is people using selective evidence to back the idea that America is systemically racist or systemically sexist.

00:30:24.000 So there's another story that I want to tell you about. 0.99

00:30:27.000 There's a woman named Alyssa Nutting, appropriately named, who is complaining about sexism in American society for a very, very stupid reason. 1.00

00:30:34.000 I will tell you about that in just a second. 0.96

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00:31:20.000 All righty, so as I promised, there's several other stories today of people claiming that America is systemically awful because they have experienced something that is supposedly terrible.

00:31:33.000 So there's a woman named Alyssa Nutting, as I mentioned. 0.98

00:31:35.000 Alyssa Nutting is an essayist, a screenwriter, a creative writing professor, and author of the novels Tampa and Made for Love. 0.97

00:31:41.000 Okay, and she tweeted this out, and it has, as of right now, 186,000.

00:31:48.000 186,000 likes on Twitter, and 23,000 retweets.

00:31:51.000 Quote, my daughter started crying at the dentist's office because the dentist, quote, is a boy.

00:31:55.000 And the dentist said, sorry, there are no girl dentists at this office. 1.00

00:31:58.000 And my daughter looked at me and said, why did we come here?

00:32:01.000 This has 186,000 likes.

00:32:01.000 Okay, for that story.

00:32:02.000 That's a stupid story. 1.00

00:32:09.000 Because you know what you should tell your daughter? 1.00

00:32:11.000 Lady?

00:32:12.000 You should tell your daughter that 47.7% of all dental students in the United States are female.

00:32:17.000 And my sister-in-law is a dentist.

00:32:19.000 There are lots and lots of dentists who are ladies. 1.00

00:32:21.000 There are lots and lots of orthodontists who are ladies. 1.00

00:32:23.000 My sister-in-law is actually an orthodontist. 0.96

00:32:25.000 This is so ridiculous in every conceivable way. 0.90

00:32:29.000 And so I tweeted that out, right? 0.97

00:32:30.000 So I tweeted out, you know, maybe you should have told her that basically half of all dentists are women. 0.95

00:32:35.000 Maybe you should have told her that.

00:32:36.000 Or maybe you should have said, well, honey, you know, there's something statistically, I mean, I don't know how old she is, this might be a little bit over her head, but you might say if she's seven or eight, there's something called statistical significance and random sampling, okay?

00:32:46.000 And it's possible that this doctor's office, with a bunch of men in it, is mirrored by another doctor's office or dentist's office with a bunch of women in it.

00:32:53.000 Because factually speaking, half of all dental students in the United States are women.

00:32:57.000 And if you want to be a dentist, honey, you can be a dentist because it's a free country.

00:33:00.000 Women now outnumber men in law schools. 1.00

00:33:02.000 Women are achieving parity in medicine.

00:33:04.000 Women are achieving parity in a wide variety of fields. 0.96

00:33:07.000 This has nothing to do with sexism.

00:33:09.000 And my daughter asked me something similar fairly recently about the presidents.

00:33:12.000 And this is a harder question, right?

00:33:13.000 She asked me not about modern-day dentists, who are split 50-50 men-women in terms of the student body.

00:33:19.000 She asked me about the presidents, right?

00:33:21.000 We were talking about all the presidents, and I was showing her pictures of them, and she said,

00:33:26.000 Fair.

00:33:26.000 Totally fair.

00:33:43.000 You ought to inform your daughter about statistics and reality and the fact that America is not a sexist country.

00:33:49.000 And some woman, some feminist named Katie Stoll, who I've never heard of, said, you've seen me on Cracked, co-host of even more news podcasts.

00:33:55.000 I've never heard of her.

00:33:57.000 But she is wearing a shirt in her profile photo that says, the past is male, which seems like misgendering the past.

00:34:02.000 How do you know how the past identifies, lady?

00:34:04.000 But she tweeted back, don't ever have kids. 0.99

00:34:07.000 To which I tweeted back, I actually have two kids, including a four-year-old daughter I will raise to believe that she's capable of anything rather than a victim in the least sexist society in the history of mankind. 1.00

00:34:17.000 Like really, it's just so stupid. 0.99

00:34:20.000 Okay, and then I love this. 1.00

00:34:21.000 She responded by saying, Okay, I promise you my followers are probably not all that interested in listening to her stupid show. 1.00

00:34:36.000 So she doesn't like the fact that I cited an actual statistic, and this makes me a callous, racist, offensive bully. 0.99

00:34:41.000 This is the way this works now. 0.94

00:34:42.000 You cite a fact, and this makes you callous, racist, and offensive.

00:34:45.000 Which is just absurd. 0.68

00:34:47.000 It's just absurd in every possible way.

00:34:50.000 But, you know, this is the way that our politics works now. 0.64

00:34:52.000 Speaking of absurd in every possible way, there's a piece today in the New York Times from a black professor of philosophy at Emory University all about how America is racist.

00:35:01.000 And again, 0.90

00:35:01.000 This is using anecdotal evidence in order to suggest that the vast majority of Americans are racist. 0.90

00:35:06.000 So we've already had, in today's show, talk about using anecdotal evidence at a Starbucks that may not even be complete to suggest that all Starbucks baristas need implicit bias training.

00:35:15.000 We've had a woman claim that she walked into one dentist's office and there were no female dentists, and therefore all of American society is sexist. 0.98

00:35:21.000 And now we have a guy named George Yancey who's suggesting that because he got death threats in the mail from a bunch of white racists, this means all of America is racist.

00:35:29.000 So, there's an article in the New York Times, and it is literally titled, should I give up on white America?

00:35:34.000 Should I give up on white America? 0.93

00:35:35.000 Well, the answer is no, because if you were to title your piece, should I give up on black America, everybody would rightly see that as a slight against black Americans. 0.99

00:35:43.000 First of all, who are you to give up on anyone?

00:35:46.000 It's not your job to give up on anyone.

00:35:48.000 Are you the great arbiter of human worth and human value?

00:35:53.000 I mean, if you give up on white America, white America ain't gonna stop existing. 0.99

00:35:57.000 This is just such foolishness in every way. 0.98

00:35:59.000 But I want to tell you the whole story in just a second.

00:36:02.000 So here's what Yancey has actually said.

00:36:04.000 So Yancey says he faces a serious dilemma.

00:36:06.000 So here's the question.

00:36:08.000 Why is that a serious dilemma?

00:36:19.000 According to polls, America is not filled with racists.

00:36:22.000 It's one of the least racist places on planet Earth.

00:36:24.000 Less than 5% of Americans say that they would not live next door to somebody of a different race.

00:36:29.000 One of the lowest rates on planet Earth.

00:36:32.000 In order for Yates' complaints to be taken seriously, we have to believe the people who sent him death threats because he's a black professor are representative of white America at large.

00:36:39.000 Now, I can speak to this somewhat personally.

00:36:41.000 As someone who received a plethora of death threats in 2016, like a lot of death threats, right?

00:36:45.000 Death threats over the phone, death threats via email, one really crazy letter in the mail.

00:36:50.000 As somebody who's received death threats for years, probably from some of the same people who send death threats to this guy, right?

00:36:55.000 Some members of the alt-right, presumably.

00:36:58.000 I don't think that that's representative of America more broadly.

00:37:01.000 Even when I wrote a piece in the Washington Post talking about the threat of the alt-right, I never suggested that it was a broad swath of Americans.

00:37:06.000 I always thought that this was a movement of less than 10,000 people probably.

00:37:09.000 But according to Yancey, this is representative of all of white America.

00:37:13.000 He says he is, quote, convinced that America suffers from a pervasively malignant and malicious systemic illness, white racism.

00:37:19.000 He offers no stats to support this contention. 0.81

00:37:21.000 He suggests that those who disagree with his contention are just doing so because they themselves are racists as well.

00:37:27.000 He says, there's also an appalling lack of courage, weakness of will, spinelessness, and indifference in our country that helps to sustain this racism.

00:37:35.000 So you may not be a racist, but if you say America is not really racist, then this makes you a racist.

00:37:39.000 Got it? 0.99

00:37:40.000 And you're a monster under almost any circumstances, because Yancey says white Americans are, quote, monsters, land takers, brutal dispossession, and then body snatchers in the selling and buying of black flesh. 0.99

00:37:50.000 No one alive in the United States today has held a black slave, unless they are currently in jail, because that's illegal. 0.99

00:37:56.000 No one alive in the United States today has been involved in the quote-unquote brutal dispossession of other people, because that is illegal as well.

00:38:03.000 So exactly how are white Americans supposed to be not racist, according to Yancey?

00:38:07.000 By agreeing with him.

00:38:08.000 And this is the end point.

00:38:10.000 The end point of all of this is that folks on the left insist that you agree with them.

00:38:13.000 That's the only way to escape their little trap.

00:38:16.000 So, if you are a person who says, let's see all the evidence on Starbucks, you're a racist now because you're covering for racism just by asking for evidence.

00:38:23.000 And the only way for you to be allowed out of your little racist box is if you say, you know what?

00:38:29.000 You're right. 0.96

00:38:29.000 Starbucks is systemically racist. 0.96

00:38:31.000 They have to retrain all of their employees because you had a bad experience at a Starbucks, or at least you say you had a bad experience at a Starbucks.

00:38:37.000 And if I don't respect your experience because I don't see evidence for it, or I don't see sufficient evidence for it, then it must be because I'm a racist as well.

00:38:45.000 Or sexism.

00:38:45.000 If I say, you know, I want to raise my daughter to believe she can succeed in American society because she can, then I'm obviously not in tune with the woke crowd when it comes to sexism.

00:38:55.000 The only way for me to be in tune with those people is by saying, yes, you walked into a dentist's office and there were no women because men are evil.

00:39:02.000 Right?

00:39:02.000 Then I'm on your side.

00:39:04.000 Then everything's cool.

00:39:04.000 And according to Yancey, if I say, listen, you got some bad death threats, I've gotten bad death threats too.

00:39:09.000 There are some really crappy people out there.

00:39:11.000 But that's not representative of Americans as a whole, and certainly not representative of a particular race as a whole. 0.98

00:39:17.000 If I say that, I'm a racist.

00:39:18.000 The only way that Yancey lets me off the hook is if I agree with him.

00:39:21.000 Apparently, he praised one of his white students who says, quote,

00:39:34.000 Well, I mean, of course we are all responsible for speaking out when we hear racist comments.

00:39:38.000 That is not exactly a revelation, and that should not be dependent on race.

00:39:42.000 But I think that people should speak up when they hear racism on any side.

00:39:46.000 Racism does play a central role in American history, and of course, there are still racists.

00:39:49.000 But the idea here is that if you disagree with Yancey about politics, then this makes you an aider and abetter of racism.

00:39:55.000 And all of this is really nasty, and all of it's counterproductive.

00:39:56.000 I spoke at a high school last night, and it was really, I thought, fascinating.

00:40:00.000 A lot of the students disagreed with me on a lot of issues, which is just great.

00:40:05.000 I really enjoyed it.

00:40:06.000 I enjoyed the discussion.

00:40:07.000 And this exact topic came up, like how do you teach your kids?

00:40:10.000 And what I said is the first thing you have to teach your kids in a free country is that most responsibility devolves on you.

00:40:16.000 That if you are failing in life, look first to your own decision-making.

00:40:19.000 And if you want to succeed in life, look first to your own decision-making.

00:40:21.000 Telling kids that they are victims of an awful, evil, sexist, racist system, all that does is it cripples them for life.

00:40:27.000 It tells them no matter how hard they work, no matter how hard they try, they are never going to be able to succeed.

00:40:32.000 And that is a lie in the freest country in the history of mankind.

00:40:35.000 You can succeed.

00:40:36.000 Everyone can succeed if they apply themselves and make good decisions.

00:40:39.000 If we're telling people anything else, we're doing them a disservice.

00:40:41.000 A real disservice.

00:40:42.000 It doesn't mean ignoring problems, but it does mean recognizing that American freedom is the solution.

00:40:47.000 Okay, so in just a second, we'll get some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:40:51.000 And maybe we'll deconstruct a little bit of culture if we have time.

00:40:54.000 So let's jump right in.

00:40:55.000 So let's do some things that I like.

00:40:58.000 I've been in the middle of reading a book by Mark Morris called The Norman Conquest.

00:41:01.000 This is a really great history book about the Battle of Hastings in 1066 and the backdrop to the Norman Conquest of Great Britain.

00:41:09.000 And it's really well written.

00:41:11.000 This guy's a terrific writer.

00:41:13.000 I'd never heard of him before, but I want to do some reading up on this particular topic.

00:41:16.000 But this book is really worth reading, The Norman Conquest by Mark Morris.

00:41:20.000 And it is really one of the most fascinating sort of

00:41:23.000 Battle sequences in the history of mankind really the king of Britain King Harold.

00:41:28.000 He was originally

00:41:31.000 He originally was not part of the royal line, but he sort of was crowned king, and he was a Saxon, and he was attacked simultaneously by Vikings in the north, and by the, or rather, by Vikings, yes, in the north, and by William the Conqueror in the south, and he had to rush to one end of the country and then back down to the other end of the country in order to fight these battles.

00:41:51.000 It really is worth reading.

00:41:53.000 Check it out.

00:41:53.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I hate.

00:42:00.000 Okay, so the thing that I hate today is that the left has one playbook and they keep going back to this playbook, and it really is quite nasty.

00:42:06.000 Keith Ellison, who is one of the more degraded public figures in American public life, a guy with decades-long association with the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan, and yet was almost elected as the head of the DNC.

00:42:17.000 Keith Ellison is now making the claim that because Democrats have been losing elections, women are dying over all of this.

00:42:23.000 Women are dying because we are losing elections. 1.00

00:42:29.000 We don't have the right to lose a damn election. 1.00

00:42:32.000 OK, so women are dying because you're losing elections? 1.00

00:42:35.000 Name the women. 1.00

00:42:36.000 Name the women who are dying because you're losing elections. 1.00

00:42:39.000 I don't know who you're talking about.

00:42:41.000 But this is the idea. 0.99

00:42:43.000 The idea that Republicans want to kill people.

00:42:44.000 They've been saying this about people since Paul Ryan.

00:42:46.000 They had an ad back in the mid-2000s in which they talked about Paul Ryan pushing granny over a cliff. 0.99

00:42:52.000 You know, when I say that I'm in favor of reasonable discussion, that I like discussing issues, the reason that I say that is because I hate this kind of crap so much. 0.98

00:42:59.000 I hate when Democrats suggest that folks on the other side of the aisle want people to die, that Republicans are evil, they're bad people, that Republicans are character-free human beings who don't care about human suffering. 0.98

00:43:09.000 None of that is true.

00:43:11.000 And none of it forwards anything that remotely approaches a useful political discussion.

00:43:16.000 So, Keith Ellison was doing this. 0.53

00:43:17.000 Joe Biden said the other day, he repeated again that Republicans want black people not to vote. 0.96

00:43:21.000 Again, all of this is just nonsense, and all of it is really nasty, but unfortunately it's become the Democrats' stock in trade. 0.95

00:43:27.000 Okay, so, do we have time to do a little deconstruction of the culture?

00:43:29.000 Okay, so let's deconstruct a little bit of culture.

00:43:31.000 So, there's a Top 40 song out today called Him and I by Halsey and G-Eazy.

00:43:37.000 I've never heard of either of these people.

00:43:38.000 So, deconstructing of the culture is when we take a look at a piece of culture and we determine

00:43:42.000 How it's impacting you, how it's impacting your kids, what are the lyrics, what does the music sound like, because culture is, as my friend and mentor Andrew Breitbart once said, upstream of politics, and more people are impacted by culture than are impacted by politics, certainly.

00:43:55.000 So this song by Halsey and G-Eazy is called Him and I, and here is what it sounds like.

00:44:00.000 We're good to go.

00:44:21.000 Okay, so this is a fairly typical R&B song. 0.90

00:44:44.000 I will say that the grammar sucks.

00:44:45.000 It's not him and I, it's he and I. Him and I only applies in particular grammatical circumstances.

00:44:50.000 This is not that grammatical circumstance.

00:44:52.000 So, not to be pedantic, but I guess maybe it's too much to be asking rappers to use proper grammar.

00:44:58.000 But, oh well.

00:45:00.000 It is also worth noting that the lyrics here are not particularly sophisticated.

00:45:07.000 They're better than, at least they rhyme, I guess.

00:45:11.000 But here's the real point of this song.

00:45:14.000 One of the things that has really taken over music since the advent of rock and roll is this sort of adolescent view of what relationships are, this adolescent view of what love is.

00:45:21.000 And it's something that you can't really understand when you're an adolescent because you're an adolescent, you're in the midst of it.

00:45:26.000 But it turns out that this sort of obsessive

00:45:29.000 We're good to go.

00:45:49.000 Well, the reason is because the longer you know someone, the less infatuated you are with them and the more that you are interested in knowing them as a human being.

00:45:56.000 There's a fascinating chart in Jonathan Haidt's book, The Happiness Hypothesis, all about exactly how human relationships work.

00:46:03.000 What it basically shows is that for the first six months that you know somebody and you love somebody, you are infatuated with them.

00:46:07.000 And then there's what he calls committed love.

00:46:10.000 Committed love is you sharing values and you valuing the person as a human being and not just as a body that you want to have sex with. 0.57

00:46:18.000 I don't know.

00:46:40.000 It's very different.

00:46:41.000 It's a very, very different thing.

00:46:42.000 But this is one of the problems, is that when popular culture sets you up to believe that infatuate love is going to be like this the rest of your life, you're just going to be obsessed with your spouse the rest of your life, in the sense that you can't take your eyes off the person, you can't spend a moment out of that person's presence.

00:46:57.000 I love spending time with my wife, but my wife and I are there also to raise our kids and also to have a life together and to build things.

00:47:04.000 Marriage is the beginning of building something.

00:47:06.000 If the end goal of love is the sort of infatuated love that you have with somebody in the first five seconds, then there is no end goal.

00:47:12.000 You're not building toward anything.

00:47:13.000 Everything is a come down from that.

00:47:15.000 Everything is a let down from that.

00:47:17.000 And so when you have all of this sort of language, some of the lyrics here are, Silk on her body, pull it down and watch it slip off.

00:47:23.000 Ever catch me cheating, she would try to cut my bleep.

00:47:26.000 Crazy, but I love her.

00:47:27.000 I could never run from her. 0.96

00:47:28.000 Hit it, no rubber.

00:47:29.000 Never would no one touch her.

00:47:30.000 Swear we drive each other mad.

00:47:31.000 She'd be so stubborn.

00:47:32.000 But what the F is love with no pain, no suffer?

00:47:35.000 Intense, this bleep.

00:47:36.000 It gets dense." 0.71

00:47:37.000 Okay, so again, embedded in this idea of infatuate love is that everything should be painful, and that if you're suffering in a relationship, that there's some sort of glory to it.

00:47:47.000 That the more you suffer, the more pain you go through in a relationship, the more it just shows that you're madly in love because you have to overcome obstacles.

00:47:53.000 This is from people who have watched too many movies.

00:47:55.000 And watch too many episodes of One Tree Hill.

00:47:57.000 If your relationship with your loved one is about pain and suffering, then it's a bad relationship.

00:48:02.000 The whole point is to pick somebody with whom you will be fighting against the chaos that rules the world, instead of finding that chaos in your relationship with the other person.

00:48:11.000 So I'm not picking on this particular song, but as a representative of an entire genre telling teenagers that their sort of love is the highest sort of love,

00:48:18.000 And telling older people that this is what they should be aiming for in a relationship.

00:48:23.000 I think that that's a big mistake and it's not anything valuable worth shooting for.

00:48:26.000 What's worth shooting for is a relationship that includes infatuate love, but also is more than that.

00:48:32.000 Also is more than that.

00:48:33.000 Which is why I've always told people, date somebody for marriage who has your values.

00:48:37.000 You want a good relationship?

00:48:37.000 You want to make a good decision in life?

00:48:38.000 That's the way to do it.

00:48:39.000 Alrighty.

00:48:40.000 We'll be back here tomorrow with much more.

00:48:41.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - April 17, 2018

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