The Ben Shapiro Show - Commander-In-Chief Trump Tackles Afghanistan | Ep. 367

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00:00:21.000 President Trump has announced his new Afghanistan policy.

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00:02:05.000 Okay, so, President Trump gives a big statement last night.

00:02:09.000 It was his first address to the nation on the issue of foreign policy.

00:02:28.000 And it was pretty good.

00:02:30.000 It was pretty good.

00:02:31.000 I want to go through it.

00:02:31.000 I want to talk about what it spells, why there's resistance to it from some on the right.

00:02:36.000 It's really fascinating.

00:02:36.000 There's now a breakdown that's coming on the right.

00:02:39.000 Some of the people who are sort of the quote-unquote nationalist populist types, the Steve Bannon's of the world, the Laura Ingram's of the world, the Tucker Carlson's.

00:02:46.000 Those people are very upset with Trump's statement on Afghanistan, but I think that's because we've fallen into this trap when we discuss foreign policy of never looking at the choices that are actually on the table.

00:02:55.000 Instead, we make up choices that are in our own heads.

00:02:57.000 We make up choices that don't resemble reality very much.

00:03:00.000 We don't go to war with the army we have, we go to war with the army we wish we had, in Donald Rumsfeld's famous phrase.

00:03:07.000 We make up these situations in the sky where if we were just tough enough,

00:03:11.000 Or strong enough, then everything would fall into place.

00:03:14.000 Foreign policy is messy, it's muddy, it's murky, and there are no good choices in places like Afghanistan, which is a tribal place where there has never been a strong national government, there has never been a strong secular government in Afghanistan, it's been a warring hellhole 0.97

00:03:29.000 For literally hundreds of years, the British were driven out of there in the 19th century.

00:03:33.000 The Russians were driven out in the 1980s.

00:03:34.000 The United States is not being driven out of Afghanistan, but there has been no strong centralized government in order to prevent the rise of the Taliban again.

00:03:43.000 And this is presented...

00:03:45.000 An intractable situation for the Trump administration.

00:03:48.000 Trump didn't create this.

00:03:49.000 Trump inherits this.

00:03:50.000 So to understand sort of where we are, you first have to understand where we've been.

00:03:54.000 So we invaded Afghanistan after 2001, after 9-11, specifically because it was being used as a base by Al-Qaeda.

00:04:00.000 And we offered the Taliban, you either give up Al-Qaeda, you either give up bin Laden, you stop protecting him, or we're going to come in invade your country and topple you. 0.86

00:04:07.000 Mullah Omar was the leader of the Taliban.

00:04:10.000 He said that it was more worthwhile for him to protect bin Laden than it was for him to turn over terrorists. 0.71

00:04:15.000 And so we went in and we toppled the Taliban using the Northern Alliance.

00:04:19.000 That quickly devolved into a corrupt central government that had to pay off all of these tribal leaders because the strongest leaders in Afghanistan were the tribal leaders from the beginning. 0.96

00:04:28.000 And terror continued to be a serious problem in Afghanistan after we conquered the country.

00:04:33.000 We struggled to build a working system there.

00:04:36.000 This is a country that had no history of democracy or human rights, and went in there thinking we were going to be able to transplant democracy and human rights.

00:04:43.000 That ended up being, in large part, a failure.

00:04:47.000 President Obama came into office, and the first thing that he did is he said he wanted to get out of there, but first he had to surge troops.

00:04:52.000 So we have to review what President Obama said.

00:04:54.000 In order so that we know what Trump said last night, whether this was a major change or not.

00:04:58.000 Remember, Obama wanted to get out of Afghanistan.

00:04:59.000 More American troops ended up dying in Afghanistan under Obama's watch than under George W. Bush's watch, in large measure because President Obama surged troops, but he did so with a timeline.

00:05:10.000 He said, I'm going to throw 30,000 additional troops into Afghanistan, but I'm going to take them out again right away. 1.00

00:05:16.000 So here is Obama.

00:05:17.000 This is December 1st, 2009, discussing his new Afghan policy about sending 30,000 additional troops.

00:05:22.000 This is eight years ago now.

00:05:24.000 This review is now complete.

00:05:27.000 And as Commander-in-Chief, I have determined that it is in our vital national interest to send an additional 30,000 U.S.

00:05:35.000 troops to Afghanistan.

00:05:38.000 After 18 months, our troops will begin to come home.

00:05:42.000 Okay, the problem with this particular line, when he says that after 18 months our troops will begin to come home, is as soon as he says that, the Taliban knows all they have to do is just wait out the United States.

00:05:53.000 Because if they just wait it out, then Obama's going to withdraw troops.

00:05:56.000 And then, the idea was we were going to build up Afghanistan's security forces.

00:05:59.000 Well, we built up some of their security forces, but then we didn't leave enough military advisors in place

00:06:04.000 In order to really ensure that those security forces were capable of controlling any significant portion of the country.

00:06:10.000 Helmand province particularly has turned back into the hell hole that it was before Obama, before Obama surged the troops in the first place.

00:06:17.000 It's really become a disaster area and that's because of Obama's

00:06:22.000 Myopic focus on getting out as soon as possible as opposed to achieving mission goals.

00:06:26.000 He also talked about Pakistan in this particular speech.

00:06:29.000 He suggested that we are going to forge a strong relationship with Pakistan.

00:06:32.000 The problem is that Pakistan has no interest in forging a relationship with us that revolves around getting rid of the Taliban. 0.65

00:06:38.000 The Taliban actually has substantial territorial holdings.

00:06:41.000 In northern and western Pakistan, and has been a serious threat to the government of Pakistan for years and years and years.

00:06:49.000 Obama made nice with the government of Pakistan, but then when push came to shove, he really didn't, right?

00:06:53.000 When we killed bin Laden, he apparently didn't even clear that with the Pakistani government supposedly, because he knew that the Pakistani government might leak that to bin Laden himself.

00:07:01.000 But his original vision was, we're going to be very nice to Pakistan.

00:07:07.000 In the past, we too often defined our relationship with Pakistan narrowly.

00:07:11.000 And those days are over.

00:07:14.000 Moving forward, we are committed to a partnership with Pakistan that is built on a foundation of mutual interest, mutual respect, and mutual trust.

00:07:24.000 Okay, and that obviously did not take place.

00:07:26.000 And then finally, Obama's biggest mistake is he suggested that we ought to do nothing, we have to get rid of Gitmo, that it was U.S.

00:07:35.000 policy that was driving terrorism.

00:07:37.000 This is always the apologetic foreign policy of President Obama, and it didn't end up helping us on the world stage in any real way.

00:07:44.000 And finally, we must draw on the strength of our values.

00:07:48.000 For the challenges that we face may have changed, but the things that we believe in must not.

00:07:56.000 That's why we must promote our values by living them at home, which is why I have prohibited torture and will close the prison at Guantanamo Bay.

00:08:06.000 And we must make it clear to every man, woman and child around the world who lives under the dark cloud of tyranny that America will speak out on behalf of their human rights and tend to the light of freedom and justice and opportunity and respect for the dignity of all peoples.

00:08:23.000 Okay, so this was also very George W. Bush-esque language.

00:08:25.000 This talk about dignity of all peoples and freedom and justice and opportunity.

00:08:28.000 The reality is that in Afghanistan, we basically have three choices, and we always had three choices.

00:08:34.000 One was an overwhelming surge in order to pacify the country, and maintaining that surge as long as necessary in order to pacify the country.

00:08:41.000 Number two was to get out completely, just pull out completely, right?

00:08:45.000 This is sort of what Obama wanted to do and then reality overtook him.

00:08:49.000 And that's why George W. Bush and Obama and now finally Donald Trump, a guy who campaigned on the idea that he was going to get out of Afghanistan ASAP.

00:08:55.000 Somebody who in 2013 was saying Afghanistan was a foolish war we never should have gotten into.

00:08:59.000 Now he is basically taking the same tack.

00:09:01.000 All three of these presidents have decided the only thing that we can do is muddle through.

00:09:05.000 We're not willing to expend the kind of resources necessary to actually occupy the country for 60 years, Japan-style or Germany-style.

00:09:11.000 There is no government for us to overthrow in Afghanistan in order to ensure the pacification of the population, and so we're going to have to muddle through a long counterinsurgency.

00:09:20.000 And Obama eventually ended up coming to that conclusion, and now President Trump has come to that conclusion as well.

00:09:25.000 Now what President Trump did do

00:09:27.000 Is he is militating some of that policy.

00:09:29.000 So he's changing some of the mistakes that Obama made.

00:09:33.000 And he's getting a lot of flack on the right for this.

00:09:34.000 He's getting a lot of flack, as I said, from Laura Ingram and Tucker Carlson and the folks over at Breitbart.

00:09:38.000 There was even a piece over at Breitbart today by a columnist named Brian Darling suggested that if he had known that Trump was going to do what he said last night, he might not have voted for him in the first place.

00:09:49.000 I think that this is neglecting the fact that Afghanistan was the source of Al Qaeda that attacked us on 9-11.

00:09:55.000 That if we were to leave these people to their own devices, they would quickly rebuild the terrorist bases that would be used to strike at the heart of the United States.

00:10:03.000 And the rip on President Trump from the right is unrealistic.

00:10:07.000 I think it's the isolationist right and the isolationist left.

00:10:10.000 I think this is unrealistic.

00:10:11.000 It's Clintonian foreign policy.

00:10:12.000 We tried it during Bill Clinton's era.

00:10:14.000 This hands-off, leave them alone, they're not bothering us.

00:10:17.000 And the result was the USS Cole and the bombings in Kenya and Tanzania and 9-11, of course.

00:10:23.000 The fact is that while it is unpopular to say this, the war on terror has been largely successful in terms of reducing major terrorist attacks in the West.

00:10:32.000 We haven't seen anything remotely approaching a 9-11 since 9-11.

00:10:35.000 We've seen small-scale terror attacks from people who have been recruited through the internet by ISIS, but that is not of the same size and scope as the fully planned

00:10:46.000 Cell-based terror attacks that al-qaeda was pursuing in the lead-up to 9-11 and then including 9-11 itself so trump looks at this and he gets into office and His generals tell him look mr. President you can talk all you want about pulling out of Afghanistan But the fact of the matter is that you are going to have to be responsible for 0.57

00:11:01.000 My original instinct was to pull out

00:11:31.000 And historically, I like following my instincts.

00:11:36.000 But all my life, I've heard that decisions are much different when you sit behind the desk.

00:11:44.000 We're good to go.

00:12:01.000 We held our final meeting last Friday at Camp David with my cabinet and generals to complete our strategy.

00:12:11.000 This is the first time I've ever seen President Trump actually go back on something and acknowledge that new evidence had changed his mind.

00:12:17.000 I think that that's a good thing.

00:12:18.000 I'd like to see more of this from President Trump in different areas of his governance where he says, listen, I used to say a lot of things and some of those things were right and some of those things were wrong.

00:12:26.000 I have instincts.

00:12:27.000 I think they're pretty good, but

00:12:29.000 When I see new evidence, I have to change my opinion.

00:12:30.000 So good for President Trump for doing that.

00:12:32.000 We'll talk about what his policy is and how it differs from President Obama's, because there are some significant similarities to President Obama's speeches and talks and policies in Afghanistan, but there are some pretty significant differences as well, I think mostly in the right direction.

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00:14:17.000 Okay, so.

00:14:22.000 Number one, Trump says that he's actually thought this thing through.

00:14:24.000 This, again, is a major difference from a lot of his other policies where it seems like he's just going off the cuff.

00:14:29.000 Then, Trump says that he calls for victory.

00:14:31.000 The problem that I have with Trump calling for a quote-unquote victory is that whenever, you know, Trump made a big deal during his campaign about saying, we never win anymore, we just, people, we never win, ever, no winning, ever, we haven't won.

00:14:44.000 Okay, the problem is,

00:14:45.000 And we're not going to get victory in Afghanistan the same way that we got victory in Germany or Japan.

00:14:50.000 Because again, there is no government to surrender to us.

00:14:52.000 The Taliban are not going to surrender to us. 0.93

00:14:54.000 They'll just continue to break down into smaller and smaller terrorist groups.

00:14:58.000 So when you say victory, the American people expect the ticker tape parade down the middle of Fifth Avenue.

00:15:04.000 The American people demand a surrender document signed on the deck of a boat.

00:15:09.000 Okay, none of that's ever going to happen.

00:15:11.000 When he says we're going to achieve victory, then he needs to define what victory is.

00:15:15.000 Here is Trump talking about what victory looks like to him.

00:15:18.000 First, our nation must seek an honorable and enduring outcome worthy of the tremendous sacrifices that have been made, especially the sacrifices of lives.

00:15:34.000 The men and women who serve our nation in combat deserve a plan for victory.

00:15:40.000 They deserve the tools they need and the trust they have earned to fight and to win.

00:15:47.000 From now on, victory will have a clear definition.

00:15:51.000 Attacking our enemies, obliterating ISIS, crushing Al-Qaeda,

00:15:56.000 Preventing the Taliban from taking over Afghanistan and stopping mass terror attacks against America before they emerge.

00:16:06.000 Okay, the problem with this particular definition of victory is it's exactly the same, almost word for word.

00:16:11.000 President Obama's definition of victory, or George W. Bush's definition of victory, there is no victory moment, right?

00:16:16.000 There is no win here, where we say, okay, we've accomplished our goals, now we're leaving.

00:16:20.000 Okay, what he's talking about is a long-range occupation.

00:16:25.000 This is what John McCain said in 2008 about Afghanistan.

00:16:27.000 He said, look, you want to pacify it, you're gonna have to stay there for 50 years.

00:16:30.000 That's basically what Trump is talking about here, but he doesn't want to admit it openly.

00:16:33.000 Hey, what he really should be saying is, look, victory is us preventing terror attacks.

00:16:38.000 That's what he's saying here, right?

00:16:39.000 Attacking our enemies, preventing terrorist attacks.

00:16:41.000 But there is not going to be a moment of victory.

00:16:42.000 The American people have to understand, our military is there to do just this.

00:16:47.000 Our military is there to prevent these things.

00:16:49.000 There's not going to be.

00:16:51.000 You know, expectations of the big ticker tape parade are not realistic.

00:16:54.000 And I think that because Trump had sort of pushed that expectation of victory in Afghanistan for so long, it's difficult now for him to back off that language, even though there's not going to be the iconic victory moment that people are looking forward to.

00:17:07.000 There is a difference in some of his rhetoric from President Obama.

00:17:12.000 So he is refusing, obviously, to pull out, unlike Obama, who said, we're going to pull out after a certain period of time.

00:17:18.000 Getting out is the most important thing.

00:17:20.000 He got a lot of criticism for this, Obama, and I think rightly so. 1.00

00:17:23.000 Because the mission has to be defined by what our goals are, not by your political goals in getting out as fast as possible.

00:17:30.000 What Trump did yesterday actually took a fair bit of political courage.

00:17:33.000 He said, listen, we're going to stay there because we need to be there.

00:17:36.000 And I think that's right.

00:17:37.000 Here he is saying that we cannot just pull out.

00:17:40.000 A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum that terrorists, including ISIS and Al Qaeda, would instantly fill, just as happened before September 11th.

00:17:55.000 Okay, and he is right about that, of course.

00:17:57.000 He then goes on to talk about Pakistan.

00:17:58.000 So remember, President Obama talked about how Pakistan was going to be our new friend.

00:18:02.000 They were going to help us in the war on terror.

00:18:03.000 Trump said no such thing.

00:18:05.000 He said, listen, Pakistan is not being very helpful, and that's why we're going to build up democratic allies like India.

00:18:10.000 I think this is a very important thing, what Trump did here.

00:18:13.000 India is a democratic bulwark and an anti-Islamist bulwark against countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan. 0.77

00:18:20.000 Building them up in opposition to the Pakistani government is something the United States should have been doing long ago.

00:18:24.000 What can India do against Pakistan in terms of tamping down terror? 0.97

00:18:29.000 Not much, but we can at least create allies in the region who are interested in working with us to tamp down terror, particularly along the India-Pakistan border.

00:18:37.000 That's a good thing.

00:18:38.000 Pakistan should be intimidated. 1.00

00:18:39.000 That if they don't do what we want, there'd be serious consequences, and those consequences may not come directly from us, but may come from our allies.

00:18:45.000 Here's Trump directly calling out Pakistan.

00:18:47.000 We can no longer be silent about Pakistan's safe havens for terrorist organizations, the Taliban, and other groups that pose a threat to the region and beyond.

00:18:59.000 Pakistan has much to gain from partnering with our effort in Afghanistan.

00:19:06.000 It has much to lose by continuing to harbor criminals and terrorists.

00:19:12.000 Now the most important thing Trump did last night is he talked about timelines.

00:19:15.000 You remember, I just showed you the clip of Obama saying we're gonna throw 30,000 troops in and 18 months they'll be out. 1.00

00:19:21.000 Really stupid, okay? 0.99

00:19:21.000 That's like saying to your child, I'm gonna give you a timeout, but the timeout's gonna end in three minutes. 0.99

00:19:26.000 Okay, you can't do that.

00:19:27.000 Your kid's just gonna wait out the timeout.

00:19:28.000 When you give a kid a timeout, the idea is that the timeout is indefinite until the kid does what you want.

00:19:33.000 When it comes to the Taliban, you have to throw troops in there for as long as it takes, and that's what Trump

00:19:38.000 A core pillar of our new strategy is a shift from a time-based approach

00:19:55.000 to one based on conditions.

00:19:57.000 We will not talk about numbers of troops or our plans for further military activities.

00:20:05.000 Conditions on the ground, not arbitrary timetables, will guide our strategy from now on.

00:20:15.000 America's enemies must never know our plans or believe they can wait us out.

00:20:20.000 I will not say when we are going to attack, but attack we will.

00:20:26.000 Okay, so good for him. 0.88

00:20:28.000 Again, I agree that when it comes to arbitrary deadlines, that's foolishness.

00:20:32.000 It's exactly the sort of arbitrary deadlines that we used to set in Vietnam.

00:20:36.000 And I'll bet you a lot of what he is saying right now comes from H.R.

00:20:39.000 McMaster, his national security advisor.

00:20:41.000 H.R.

00:20:41.000 McMaster wrote a very good book called Dereliction of Duty about American military policy in Vietnam.

00:20:46.000 And one of his great critiques was this idea of graduated escalation.

00:20:50.000 Which was pushed by Robert McNamara, who was the Secretary of Defense under JFK and then later under LBJ, this idea that we are going to gradually, slowly increase the number of troops and announce every time how many troops we were adding to the battlefield, telling the Viet Cong exactly what sort of opposition they were going to face.

00:21:07.000 H.R.

00:21:07.000 McMaster says, listen, you go in and you do what you have to do, but you don't

00:21:11.000 Give signals to your enemies and you don't tell them when you're pulling in and pulling out.

00:21:14.000 That seems to me eminently correct.

00:21:16.000 Now, here's something that I think is wrong.

00:21:18.000 Trump says he leaves the door open to negotiations with the Taliban.

00:21:21.000 I think this is a big mistake.

00:21:23.000 This is something that Obama pursued, but W didn't.

00:21:25.000 This idea that the Taliban will come to the table. 0.91

00:21:27.000 In fact, Obama actually set up an office in Qatar so that he could talk with the Taliban.

00:21:31.000 That did not do anything except make the Taliban more determined 0.50

00:21:35.000 Someday, after an effective military effort, perhaps it will be possible to have a political settlement that includes elements of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

00:21:40.000 But nobody knows if or when that will ever happen.

00:21:59.000 Okay, well, you know, still, you shouldn't be leaving that on the table.

00:22:02.000 If you don't want to negotiate with them, don't talk about negotiating with them.

00:22:05.000 A couple more points, and I think these are good on Trump, in one second.

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00:23:51.000 Okay, so...

00:23:53.000 Back to President Trump.

00:23:54.000 He dropped this little note that was sort of different from both W and Obama.

00:24:01.000 He said, we're not nation building.

00:24:02.000 So these are key words.

00:24:04.000 These are sort of buzzwords.

00:24:04.000 They don't mean a whole hell of a lot, but it was supposed to appease his more populist, nationalist, isolationist base.

00:24:11.000 Here's Trump talking about Afghan responsibility.

00:24:13.000 Here's what he had to say.

00:24:15.000 We are not nation-building again. 0.97

00:24:19.000 We are killing terrorists.

00:24:21.000 We will no longer use American military might to construct democracies in faraway lands or try to rebuild other countries in our own image.

00:24:31.000 Those days are now over.

00:24:34.000 Instead, we will work with allies and partners to protect our shared interests.

00:24:39.000 We are not asking others to change their way of life,

00:24:42.000 But to pursue common goals that allow our children to live better and safer lives.

00:24:48.000 This principled realism will guide our decisions moving forward.

00:24:53.000 Okay, the reality of the situation, however, is that when he says we're not going to nation-build, we are going to continue building up Afghanistan's security forces.

00:25:00.000 It doesn't mean we have to build schools for them, but it does mean that we have to build up their security forces so that they can kill terrorists.

00:25:05.000 And then they can use their resources to build schools.

00:25:07.000 So this idea that we're not nation-building, it's a little bit of a false divide.

00:25:11.000 When you go and you build up a nation's security forces to ensure their government is stable enough to take care of terrorism, that is in fact nation-building.

00:25:19.000 The best thing I think that Trump did in his speech is he said we're changing the rules of engagement.

00:25:22.000 President Obama was very strong on the idea that he was going to, in top-down fashion,

00:25:26.000 Control the rules of engagement in Afghanistan.

00:25:29.000 He was going to prevent our troops from being able to open fire on people if they didn't, if they'd hidden their guns.

00:25:35.000 So there'd be situations where there'd be a terrorist and he would know that there were soldiers watching him.

00:25:40.000 He'd drop his gun behind a car and run across the street and our soldiers were told, okay, don't shoot at that guy because he doesn't have a gun, even though they'd seen him with the gun one second beforehand.

00:25:49.000 Trump says, I'm going to relieve a lot of these rules of engagement and free our troops to do what they need to do.

00:25:52.000 Military commanders are now in charge.

00:25:54.000 This is good stuff.

00:25:56.000 Finally, my administration will ensure that you, the brave defenders of the American people,

00:26:03.000 We'll have the necessary tools and rules of engagement to make this strategy work, and work effectively, and work quickly.

00:26:12.000 I have already lifted restrictions the previous administration placed on our warfighters that prevented the Secretary of Defense and our commanders in the field from fully and swiftly waging battle against the enemy.

00:26:28.000 Micromanagement from Washington, D.C., does not win battles.

00:26:34.000 Okay, good for Trump.

00:26:35.000 This is, I think, the most important point.

00:26:36.000 And this is, by the way, why we're winning against ISIS.

00:26:38.000 It's not because we've dumped in an enormous number of additional resources.

00:26:41.000 It's because Trump has taken the handcuffs off of our military commanders.

00:26:45.000 That's really good stuff.

00:26:46.000 So, I want to talk about the blowback from the right that you're seeing from people like Tucker Carlson, why I think it's misguided, why I think that they're wrong, and why Trump, I think, is right.

00:26:54.000 4,000 troops may not be enough, but at least his reorientation towards the idea that he's going to push

00:27:01.000 For a longer counter-terrorism strategy in Afghanistan rather than just a unilateral pullout.

00:27:07.000 I think that's correct.

00:27:08.000 We'll talk about the blowback that he's received.

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00:28:40.000 So I've had my criticisms of President Trump.

00:28:42.000 If you've been following the show for more than two minutes, you know that I've been very critical of President Trump when I felt that President Trump deserved the criticism.

00:28:49.000 I think that his speech last night in Afghanistan was quite good.

00:28:51.000 I don't think that it fulfills all of the promises.

00:28:54.000 I don't think that we're going to get some sort of clear-cut victory.

00:28:56.000 I don't, you know, he's been saying that he is not going to release to the American public how many troops are going in.

00:29:00.000 That sort of prevents us from getting a metric on how things are going in Afghanistan, but

00:29:05.000 The idea that he was going to pull out, putting that aside, I think is a good move by President Trump.

00:29:10.000 And I think that while 4,000 troops may not be enough to ensure the goals he wants, at least he is aiming at right goals and he's correcting some of the worst mistakes of the Obama administration in Afghanistan.

00:29:21.000 He's getting flack from the populist Steve Bannon, Laura Ingraham, right?

00:29:25.000 So, Laura Ingraham today tweeted out,

00:29:41.000 Again, the war on terror has been a success.

00:29:44.000 While everyone likes to talk about how it has not been a success, the fact is that when Obama started to withdraw us from the war on terror, that is when you saw a dramatic escalation of terror attacks in the West, specifically from the areas where Obama withdrew.

00:29:58.000 He didn't withdraw from Afghanistan.

00:29:59.000 You're not seeing an uptick in terror from sources in Afghanistan.

00:30:02.000 You are seeing a massive uptick in terror from sources in Iraq and Syria, areas where Obama purposefully withdrew American troops.

00:30:08.000 Trump at least understands this.

00:30:10.000 Laura Ingraham tweeted,

00:30:18.000 She's not the only one who's making these critiques.

00:30:20.000 A lot of the people warm with Trump were warm to him because they're sort of Pat Buchanan isolationists.

00:30:24.000 Tucker Carlson, who used to be much more interventionist, has flipped because I think Tucker likes the popularity of being isolationist on foreign policy.

00:30:32.000 Maybe it's sincere.

00:30:34.000 Maybe it is.

00:30:34.000 But in any case, here is Tucker talking about why he thinks that Trump's foreign policy here is wrong.

00:30:40.000 Second, if we increase our presence in Afghanistan, what long-term U.S.

00:30:44.000 interest are we pursuing by doing that?

00:30:47.000 The original goal was to eliminate state-sponsored terrorist training camps.

00:30:51.000 Those are long gone.

00:30:53.000 Even if those camps came back, it's not clear how relevant they would be.

00:30:56.000 Islamists now recruit on the Internet, and even an untrained extremist can kill dozens with a car. 0.93

00:31:02.000 We've learned that sad lesson recently.

00:31:04.000 So what is the point of this?

00:31:22.000 He says that he wants to rely on not importing all these people into the United States. 0.99

00:31:26.000 But the fact is that there are going to be people who come into the United States regardless... Listen, I'm in favor of President Trump's travel ban. 0.98

00:31:32.000 But I think that the idea that it's going to prevent terrorists from crossing the border in a myriad variety of ways... His travel ban only applies to seven particular countries.

00:31:41.000 It does not apply to people who are coming through Europe.

00:31:43.000 Europe doesn't have a travel ban.

00:31:44.000 So they can go to France, they can establish a green card, and then they can come to the United States.

00:31:49.000 Okay, so the travel ban is a hedge, but it is not a finisher.

00:31:54.000 The fact is...

00:31:55.000 The War on Terror was designed to draw terrorists to places like Afghanistan and Iraq to fight against American troops.

00:32:02.000 Imagine that you have terrorists all over the world.

00:32:04.000 And this is what's happened, actually.

00:32:05.000 You have terrorists all over the world.

00:32:06.000 Imagine they're like metal filings in a sandbox.

00:32:09.000 And you need to remove the metal filings somehow.

00:32:11.000 What do you need?

00:32:11.000 You need a magnet, right?

00:32:12.000 You need a magnet that's going to draw out the metal filings without damaging, without taking up the sand as well.

00:32:18.000 That's what the War on Terror has largely been.

00:32:20.000 To pretend that the War on Terror has been an utter unsuccess is to fail to look at the evidence.

00:32:24.000 We'll let Carlson finish his point.

00:32:27.000 If the goal is simply to keep Islamic extremism from our shores, why is a war in Afghanistan more effective than, say, a vigorously enforced travel ban? 0.95

00:32:35.000 Okay, and again, the answer is because this vigorously enforced travel ban, it mitigates the risk, it does not eliminate the risk.

00:32:42.000 Everything that we can do to mitigate the risk of massive terrorism seems worthwhile to me.

00:32:46.000 Over at Breitbart, they're ripping Trump, too.

00:32:48.000 I think a lot of this now at Breitbart is being driven by the idea that they're trying to prove that Steve Bannon, the chairman over at Breitbart, made a big difference to Trump.

00:32:55.000 Like, if Bannon were still in the administration, things would have changed.

00:32:58.000 Not real, okay?

00:32:59.000 Bannon could have stuck around.

00:33:00.000 This would have been Trump's plan anyway, because Trump had marginalized Bannon and didn't agree with him, obviously.

00:33:06.000 Over at Breitbart, Brian Darling wrote, quote, I voted for Donald J. Trump because he promoted a foreign policy of restraint.

00:33:11.000 I voted for Donald J. Trump because he promised change.

00:33:13.000 I may have made a mistake.

00:33:15.000 Okay, or maybe you're just mistaken on policy and Trump is right and you're wrong.

00:33:18.000 Okay, those are words that don't frequently leave my lips, so definitely take note of them when they do.

00:33:23.000 You're seeing people like Lindsey Graham cheer.

00:33:25.000 The problem is that Lindsey Graham is such an interventionist that whenever he says anything, people tend to go, oh boy, not Lindsey Graham.

00:33:30.000 But Lindsey Graham is warm on this policy. 0.97

00:33:33.000 I think he's right to be.

00:33:35.000 I'm proud.

00:33:35.000 I'm relieved.

00:33:36.000 I'm proud of the fact that President Trump made a national security decision, not a political decision.

00:33:42.000 I'm proud of the fact that he listened to the generals and most proud of the fact that he shows the will to stand up to radical Islam. 0.97

00:33:48.000 I'm relieved that he did not take the advice to withdraw, which would have been disastrous or create a mercenary army.

00:33:55.000 So I'm very pleased, very thoughtful, very inspiring speech.

00:33:58.000 And I can assure you a lot of people in Congress will be behind the president.

00:34:03.000 Okay, so I think that that is correct, by the way.

00:34:05.000 Now, in other news where Lindsey Graham is pleased, but this time you shouldn't be, this is according to McClatchy today.

00:34:18.000 Despite the president's campaign vow to deport so-called dreamers.

00:34:22.000 So now they're trying to push him, Trump's aides are trying to push him to enshrine DACA, the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, executive amnesty.

00:34:30.000 Remember Trump promised he was going to get rid of it?

00:34:31.000 Now they're saying to him, you should give citizenship to these kids and in exchange you should ask government to build the wall and to ensure that legal immigration levels are brought down.

00:34:42.000 I see no reason why Trump should have to bargain with Congress on this particular point.

00:34:45.000 As I've said for a long time, I'm not against the idea that certain children who arrived here in the United States and are beneficial to the country should be allowed to stay.

00:34:53.000 I think that illegal immigrants should be judged on a case-by-case basis.

00:34:56.000 They should have to go to the back of the line, but if they're good for the country, if they're useful for the country, if they served in the military, for example, or let's say they're going to college in engineering,

00:35:05.000 And they're good for the economy, and they pay taxes, and they have families.

00:35:08.000 I don't see why we would toss those people out of the country.

00:35:10.000 I don't think they have the right to be here, however.

00:35:12.000 And that means that you should deport the ones who don't belong here. 1.00

00:35:16.000 Trying to judge everybody as a class, I think, is foolish. 0.80

00:35:18.000 This attempt to now trade away one of Trump's key campaign promises in order to achieve another of Trump's key campaign promises. 0.93

00:35:24.000 You want to piss off Breitbart, you want to piss off Carlson, you want to piss off Coulter.

00:35:28.000 There's no better way to do it.

00:35:29.000 Okay, time for some things I like, things I hate, and then deconstructing the culture.

00:35:32.000 So, things I like, speaking of people going blind from looking at things in the sky, there is a, there is a...

00:35:40.000 So we'll start with a book called The Day of the Triffids.

00:35:44.000 This is a great science fiction novel by John Wyndham.

00:35:46.000 It's largely forgotten.

00:35:48.000 It's about agro-warfare, really, is really what it's about. 0.98

00:35:52.000 It's about this idea that the Russians create this sort of super species of plant that distributes poison, almost. 0.94

00:35:58.000 But what happens is that one guy gets poisoned in the eyes by this, and then there's some sort of nuclear explosion.

00:36:03.000 Everybody looks at the nuclear explosion in Britain and goes blind.

00:36:06.000 And so he's the only one who's left.

00:36:08.000 Able to be seen.

00:36:10.000 He's the only sighted person left in Britain, or one of the few.

00:36:13.000 And so, it's actually, the beginning of this book is the inspiration for the beginning of 28 Days Later.

00:36:17.000 You know, like the person who did 28 Days Later said, because the beginning of the book is the guy waking up in the hospital, and he's got bandages around his eyes, he takes off the bandages and the streets are empty, there are blind people wandering around, you know, that's the inspiration.

00:36:30.000 It's a good book.

00:36:31.000 It's...

00:36:32.000 A very weird sci-fi book considered sort of a modern classic.

00:36:35.000 So go take a look.

00:36:36.000 John Wyndham's The Day of the Triffids.

00:36:38.000 Worth reading.

00:36:39.000 I read it several years ago.

00:36:40.000 Don't remember it that well, but remember enjoying it.

00:36:42.000 Okay, other things that are hilarious.

00:36:44.000 So Shep Smith, I thought, was hilarious yesterday about the solar eclipse.

00:36:48.000 As you noted from yesterday's show, I was not entranced with the solar eclipse.

00:36:51.000 I think it's like the pictures are cool and everything.

00:36:53.000 The people who are going nuts, like, ooh, an object moved in front of another object.

00:36:58.000 Right.

00:36:59.000 Like, that's, like, we move between the moon and the sun pretty much every month, which is why the moon looks like the sun looked yesterday.

00:37:06.000 Whoop-dee-doo. 0.97

00:37:07.000 Um, here's Shep Smith going crazy over it.

00:37:09.000 This is Total Eclipse of the Sun Watch 2017 on Fox News Channel.

00:37:14.000 The excitement must be building and building, like, like fireworks!

00:37:17.000 If I put this here, and my phone here, I have a total eclipse of the phone!

00:37:22.000 Fascinating!

00:37:23.000 It's amazing!

00:37:24.000 Oh my god, the moon has gotten in front of the sun!

00:37:26.000 Okay, well, I...

00:37:28.000 I don't know.

00:37:28.000 It's interesting looking.

00:37:29.000 The sun looks a little like the moon up there in my wall.

00:37:31.000 If you mention it, you gotta sing it.

00:37:33.000 Where the deer and the antelope play.

00:37:36.000 Wow!

00:37:37.000 Would you look at that?

00:37:38.000 It's a total eclipse of the sun!

00:37:41.000 They know this is all it's gonna be, right?

00:37:43.000 Just a moon over a sun.

00:37:45.000 Oh, the sun's coming back now.

00:37:46.000 The candles are coming out.

00:37:47.000 Oh my goodness, that didn't last long.

00:37:49.000 Yoo-hoo! 1.00

00:37:50.000 I wanna hear more!

00:37:51.000 No, because now you can look at the thing!

00:37:53.000 It's covered, so you can look at it!

00:37:54.000 Oh my God!

00:37:55.000 The sun is returning!

00:37:57.000 Jalapeno!

00:37:58.000 How was it?

00:37:59.000 Response.

00:38:00.000 Weird.

00:38:01.000 Dark. 0.73

00:38:02.000 Cold.

00:38:03.000 Another dark.

00:38:04.000 Amazing.

00:38:05.000 I love nature.

00:38:07.000 Amazing.

00:38:08.000 I'm gonna die now, and we hope that doesn't happen.

00:38:11.000 Wanna see a total eclipse of this monitor?

00:38:14.000 How about...

00:38:16.000 It's totally eclipsed.

00:38:17.000 Well, we're having a good time, too.

00:38:19.000 And there's some people who think we should take this a little more seriously on the Twitter.

00:38:22.000 Because for us, this is just a lot of fun.

00:38:24.000 We've been watching the Path of Totality so you can catch a DC on screen if you run.

00:38:28.000 Do you know that it goes vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

00:38:33.000 Okay, so Shep Smith having too much fun with the eclipse.

00:38:36.000 Yeah, I think that everyone went a little crazy.

00:38:37.000 I went out on the streets of California, and it was in L.A., and it was the first time I'd ever seen anyone look at the sky in L.A.

00:38:43.000 because the sky here is brown because of all this fog.

00:38:45.000 This is the first time anyone had ever looked at the sky.

00:38:48.000 President Trump, however, looked at the sky.

00:38:50.000 He decided that it was worthwhile.

00:38:52.000 He was wearing glasses.

00:38:53.000 Okay, so a lot of people I know glanced at the sun for a second because they didn't have the glass, and they're like, I want to see what's going on.

00:38:59.000 Um, President Trump had the glasses, and because he's just a contrary guy, he just decides, you know what, I'm gonna look directly at the sun for no apparent reason.

00:39:06.000 Like, people are literally shouting at him, don't look at the sun.

00:39:10.000 Never tell me what I can't do.

00:39:13.000 He looks directly at the sun, here he is.

00:39:25.000 Don't look, don't look!

00:39:26.000 And he's looking up at the sun.

00:39:27.000 Because he just asked it.

00:39:29.000 Melania's like, what is wrong with you? 0.99

00:39:31.000 Melania's just looking at him like, what happened to you?

00:39:34.000 Were you dropped as a child?

00:39:38.000 Pretty spectacular.

00:39:39.000 So there's the president.

00:39:41.000 It's going to be sad when in three days he's clinically blind and he can't read the teleprompter anymore and then things are really going to get wild.

00:39:46.000 But, you know, he's such a contrary guy that I think that what we ought to do at this point is suggest to President Trump that he definitely needs to cut, no matter what he does, he should not cut taxes.

00:39:57.000 He should definitely not cut taxes and then he will just destroy the IRS immediately.

00:40:01.000 Pretty amazing, okay.

00:40:03.000 Speaking of science that actually does amaze me, actually really cool science, this is very inspirational.

00:40:07.000 There are a bunch of videos out now of people who are deaf and have been given cochlear implants or devices in their ears that allow them to hear for the first time.

00:40:15.000 It really is quite incredible.

00:40:33.000 Hi Cooper!

00:40:34.000 Hi Cooper!

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00:41:00.000 So the media is going nuts because Katrina Pearson was on Fox News, and they're suggesting that Katrina Pearson, the former Trump spokeswoman, who is not good at her job, she's not a super articulate person, they're suggesting that she was defending slavery.

00:41:11.000 She's clearly not defending slavery in this clip, but the media have decided to make it seem as though she is anyway.

00:41:16.000 Here is Katrina Pearson talking Confederate monuments and slavery with Wendy Osifo, professor at Johns Hopkins University.

00:41:23.000 So this is not a symbol of patriotism.

00:41:25.000 This is a symbol of hatred and division.

00:41:28.000 And while it is a piece of American history, it's not necessarily the good part of American history.

00:41:33.000 It's actually nefarious.

00:41:35.000 So it doesn't deserve a place on state grounds.

00:41:37.000 It deserves a place in museums.

00:41:39.000 And that's where they need to be.

00:41:40.000 It absolutely deserves a place because bad history is still good history for this country.

00:41:45.000 Slavery is good history? 0.83

00:41:46.000 Where we are today!

00:41:48.000 Where we are today!

00:41:49.000 Absolutely!

00:41:49.000 Slavery is good history?

00:41:50.000 Absolutely?

00:41:51.000 During those times, during those times, think about this for a second.

00:41:55.000 Where would we be today if not for that Civil War?

00:41:59.000 Where would we be without slavery?

00:42:00.000 Okay, so Katrina Pearson is really bad at her job, but she's not actually defending slavery, okay? 0.55

00:42:05.000 What she's suggesting is that it is good to know American history, and slavery and Confederacy were part of that history, not that those were good things.

00:42:12.000 Okay, that's not what she's saying. 0.99

00:42:13.000 She just really sucks at her job. 0.99

00:42:15.000 So, that's it. 0.96

00:42:16.000 So, before people start saying that Katrina Pearson is defending slavery, maybe they ought to just recognize that never, never attribute to pro-slavery malice what you can attribute to incompetence, because that's actually what's happening here.

00:42:26.000 So, time to deconstruct a little bit of culture.

00:42:28.000 We haven't done a serious deconstruction of the culture in a while, so today we are going to do just that.

00:42:33.000 So, we'll begin with the song Wild Thoughts.

00:42:37.000 This is DJ Khaled and Rihanna.

00:42:39.000 We didn't cut the video for Wild Thoughts because apparently it's nipplicious.

00:42:43.000 This is according to Mathis, who said that it would have required a good amount of work and many lost man hours for people to blur out the assets of Rihanna in this particular music video.

00:42:56.000 But here is what this garbage song sounds like. 1.00

00:43:00.000 This song, again, is called... What the hell is this stupid song called? 1.00

00:43:04.000 Wild Thoughts, okay. 1.00

00:43:15.000 DJ Khaled!

00:43:17.000 I don't know if you can take it.

00:43:35.000 We clearly not the best grammar.

00:43:37.000 I don't know why verbs were murdered, but I wish that we would bring them back.

00:43:41.000 Also, he apparently shouts DJ Khaled in all of his songs, which is a weird thing to do.

00:43:48.000 I do say that this is the Ben Shapiro show, but only to identify which show you are listening to.

00:43:52.000 I assume that DJ Khaled is aware that people know that it's his song.

00:43:55.000 Maybe he's doing the same thing.

00:43:56.000 Maybe he's saying DJ Khaled because he thinks people don't know he's there.

00:43:59.000 Apparently, also, he has inspirational phrases such as level up,

00:44:03.000 Um, what are we, 11 and playing Super Mario Brothers?

00:44:05.000 And also, he says, bless up, which, I don't know what that means.

00:44:11.000 And major key is another one of his, apparently.

00:44:13.000 Apparently he just shouts randomly, major key.

00:44:15.000 Which is weird, does he also shout random music theory things?

00:44:17.000 Does he, does he suggest that we are, that we are now in, when it goes into minor key, does he, does he shout minor key?

00:44:25.000 Does he, does he shout how many flats are in the particular, does he shout like, F-flat major?

00:44:30.000 Like, what, what exactly does he,

00:44:32.000 I'm confused.

00:44:33.000 In any case, he also... So DJ Khaled leads off.

00:44:37.000 Okay, we'll play some more of this garbage song. 0.85

00:44:39.000 It's bad music, and apparently Rihanna is also... She gave up on singing a long time ago, and now she sort of just, like, breathes into a microphone, and sounds as though she swallowed a kazoo and now is attempting to sing through it. 0.99

00:44:53.000 You're naked, naked, naked. 0.83

00:44:54.000 I wanna be your baby, baby, baby. 0.98

00:44:57.000 Spendin' in as much as I could gain from Mayday.

00:45:00.000 Why go and sit on the prowl?

00:45:02.000 Okay, so apparently Rihanna also has a thing in her songs now where she just repeats one- one word 1,000 times. 0.93

00:45:22.000 Work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, and now wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild, wild,

00:45:49.000 Spinning and it's wet like it just came from Maytag.

00:45:51.000 Nothing says sexy to me quite like a washing machine.

00:45:54.000 I mean, that's just hot stuff.

00:45:56.000 When I think hot, I think washing machine. 0.97

00:45:59.000 And then I love that she can drop lines like, white girl wasted on that brown liquor. 1.00

00:46:03.000 Things that you could never say with races reversed, right? 0.99

00:46:07.000 Black girl wasted on that vodka, like, that would be racist. 1.00

00:46:10.000 But white girl wasted on that brown liquor, totally fine. 1.00

00:46:13.000 Does any of this actually promote, like, good image of women?

00:46:16.000 And she's supposed to be—one of the things that I love about the 0.58

00:46:19.000 Modern pop music scene is that feminism is basically like what a raunchy, randy dude would be thinking about at 2 o'clock in the morning after watching porn on his computer. 1.00

00:46:29.000 That's basically what feminism is now. 1.00

00:46:31.000 Right?

00:46:31.000 So much so that we can't even show you the video because it's nipalicious.

00:46:34.000 So it's basically softcore porn made by all of these pop stars who can't sing. 0.72

00:46:38.000 Because she can't sing, okay? 1.00

00:46:39.000 Her voice is now garbage. 1.00

00:46:40.000 I don't know what happened to her. 1.00

00:46:42.000 It sounds like Jon Snow strangled Littlefinger and now Littlefinger's trying to sing.

00:46:47.000 I mean, it's just bad stuff all the way through. 0.99

00:46:50.000 And again, you wonder why all these guys have a vision of women, that women are just sex objects who want nothing more than to get raunchy with them?

00:46:58.000 Maybe it's because pop is designed to play on those male emotions, and so there are a lot of women who are taking advantage of that, and it's generating a bad image of women generally. 0.88

00:47:06.000 I don't think that it's a good thing overall. 0.93

00:47:09.000 Okay, so, there is my critique of a garbage song called Wild Thoughts.

00:47:13.000 I was not inspired by DJ Khaled shrieking his own name.

00:47:16.000 I've been informed that he's a good person.

00:47:18.000 I was also told by Mathis that he's a good person because he loves his child.

00:47:21.000 I like that, I do like that the standard for being a good person now, maybe he is a nice person, I don't know, but I like that the standard for being a good person in pop culture world is basically you don't kill puppies in your spare time.

00:47:32.000 Like, oh, he likes his child.

00:47:34.000 Congratulations! 0.99

00:47:35.000 He doesn't have sex with corpses. 0.98

00:47:37.000 Like, great! 0.96

00:47:38.000 Like, it's just... Our standards in society have lowered somewhat.

00:47:41.000 If he does great things for people, that's great.

00:47:43.000 Like, those would be the things that I'd want to hear about.

00:47:44.000 So, you're gonna have to make a better defense of DJ Khaled next time, Mathis, and or Jess.

00:47:49.000 I am not inspired by his quote.

00:47:52.000 I wrote some of these down because they're so inspirational.

00:47:54.000 Key to more success is a clean heart and a clean face.

00:47:59.000 Doesn't he have a beard?

00:48:01.000 Weird.

00:48:02.000 Okay, well, you learn something new every day.

00:48:04.000 We will be back here tomorrow.

00:48:05.000 President Trump is supposed to make a big speech in Arizona.

00:48:08.000 I believe that's today, correct?

00:48:09.000 He's supposed to tonight speak in Arizona.

00:48:11.000 Some riots expected, so I'm sure there'll be much to talk about tomorrow.

00:48:14.000 We'll talk about it.

00:48:15.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:48:16.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - August 22, 2017

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