Ben Shapiro talks about the coronavirus lockdown and why you should have bought gold a few weeks ago. He also talks about how the CDC is doing a good job cracking down on the problem and why it's not as bad as people are making out to think it is. Ben Shapiro is the host of the show "The Ben Shapiro Show" on the Fox Business Network. See linktr.ee/TheBenShapiroShow for the most up-to-date show on the happenings in the world of economics, politics, and pop culture. Subscribe today using our podcast s promo code: "stackingsats" to receive $5 and contribute $5 to OWLS Lacrosse Lacrosse you download the show. Learn more about your ad choices.Make sure to rate, review, and subscribe to our new podcast on Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your stuff. If you like what you hear, please consider becoming a patron patron and leaving us a five star rating and review on iTunes. It helps make the show possible. Thanks again for listening and Good Luck Out There! Timestamps: 5:00 - Coronavirus Update 7:30 - The CDC is cracking down, but it's going to get worse, not better, right? 8:15 - The problem isn't going away, it's just getting worse, it will get better, not worse, right?? 9:00s - The good news: COVID19 is actually improving, not getting worse? 11:40 - Why you should be worried about it? 12:30s - There's not going to be much worse than you thought it would be worse than that? 13: Does it get any better? 15:40s 16:00 17:00- Why you have nothing to lose any better than this? 18:15s 19:20s - Is there really any good news? 21:00 Is it better than that yet? 22: Does the government have a chance to get better than it's better than the other way? 23:30 26:00 Does it really matter? 25:00 s 27:00 | Does it have anything to lose it s better than you can we know it s getting better than we know that it can be better than ? 24:00 + 27:15 30s: Is there a silver lining?
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00:01:47.000Okay, so let's begin with some very, very good news.
00:01:51.000There actually is a fair bit of good news this morning.
00:01:54.000Piece of good news number one, the testing trends all over the United States seem to suggest that the summer is actually having a fairly significant impact on COVID-19.
00:02:02.000Because as the lockdowns are ending, state by state, the southern states seem not to be experiencing a wild uptick in the number of infections, even though they are gradually reopening.
00:02:17.000And despite the media reports that everybody is willy-nilly going out in the streets and making out with each other, that's not actually what's happening.
00:02:22.000A lot of stores have remained closed because they can't actually abide by some of the strict regulations.
00:02:29.000And even though you're seeing pictures from places like California and New York with lots of people out there, a lot of those pictures are taken with particular type of lenses that actually make it look as though people are closer together than they actually are.
00:02:40.000It's a trick of photography and it's sort of disturbing that people do it, but it is a reality.
00:02:44.000Yesterday, my wife and I took the kids out to a park.
00:02:51.000People sort of understand on a general level what is smart and what is not.
00:02:55.000That doesn't mean everybody, but that does mean that more people than you would suspect, and that means That even if there are some infections, it's going to be a lower level than prior to the lockdown because people are engaging in different behavior.
00:03:06.000Scott Gottlieb, former FDA commissioner, put out a series of tweets looking at some of those trends.
00:03:12.000So in tweet number one, he put out from AEI a graph showing the number of tests going up across the country really, really rapidly.
00:03:22.000So as of May 1st, We were experiencing something like 290,000 tests, something like that, run on May 1st.
00:03:28.000And on average, probably the first week of May, we were running somewhere in the neighborhood of probably 250,000 tests a day.
00:03:35.000Now we are running, on average, closer to 400,000 tests a day.
00:03:40.000Meanwhile, the number of positives has gone down steadily during that time.
00:03:44.000Which means, basically, the number of people who are positive with COVID-19 has been stagnant, and the number of tests is going up.
00:03:49.000Because, again, the percentage is just the numerator over the denominator.
00:03:52.000So if the numerator remains the same, meaning the number of people infected, and the denominator increases, meaning the number of people tested, you are going to see a decrease in the positivity rate.
00:04:00.000Now, there have been people in the media who are lying to you, and it is lying with statistics.
00:04:04.000When they say things like, increasing numbers of positives, increasing number of absolute positives, If you test more people, you will get more positives.
00:04:12.000That does not mean, contra to some people's, again, statistical illiteracy, that does not mean that the test is making people positive.
00:04:20.000It means that you're likely to pick up the positives that are already there when you test more often, obviously.
00:04:26.000One, the number of absolute positives coming back can be higher.
00:04:29.000And two, the rate of positivity can be declining because you're doing more absolute tests.
00:04:35.000So Scott Gottlieb also tweeted out the states where cases are increasing.
00:04:40.000It's showing slight increase in Texas, but again, very difficult to tell whether that increase in Texas is due to like an absolute increase or whether that is due to a percentage increase or whether that is due to additional testing.
00:04:52.000In all likelihood, it's due to additional testing.
00:04:53.000In Louisiana, very slight increase after seeing a major peak earlier this year.
00:04:58.000In Arkansas and South Dakota, a slight increase.
00:05:00.000But again, Testing is increasing in all of those states.
00:05:02.000It is also worthwhile noting only about 60% of the United States actually releases the results of these tests.
00:05:07.000Meanwhile, there are a solid probably 25 states where there has been no increase in new cases, where there is no actual spike in cases.
00:05:20.000And that is states ranging from Nevada to Connecticut to Maryland to Florida.
00:05:25.000Again, Florida was supposed to be, you know, patient zero in the outbreak.
00:05:28.000Florida was supposed to be where we were going to see this vast increase in a second wave because evil, evil Ron DeSantis had allowed people go to the beaches.
00:05:37.000It turns out that Florida is much more of a success story than people are making it out to be.
00:05:41.000And one of the things that you're noticing is that again, hotter states, Just are not experiencing this in the same way that colder states have experienced it throughout the country.
00:06:00.000The rest of the state really did not get hit all that hard.
00:06:02.000Okay, so Gottlieb concludes from this.
00:06:05.000He suggests that nationwide recent models suggest doubling time is about 45 days and the R0 is around 110.
00:06:11.000So the R0 is the statistical infection rate.
00:06:16.000If you're above one, that means that it is growing.
00:06:18.000If you are below one, that means that it is decreasing because it's basically how many people one person infects.
00:06:24.000So if the R0 is around 1.1, then that is a slow epidemic.
00:06:29.000Slow enough that you're not going to overwhelm the healthcare system.
00:06:31.000Gottlieb says while it's still expanding, it's doing so at a much slower pace.
00:06:35.000Hopefully there will be a seasonal effect in the summer that slows it further.
00:06:39.000Okay, so all of that is very good news.
00:06:41.000Meanwhile, there's another piece of good news that's being kind of positioned as a piece of bad news, and that is that as coronavirus testing expands, not enough people are actually testing.
00:06:51.000So all the talk about tests, tests, we need more tests, more and more and more tests.
00:06:54.000According to the Washington Post, people aren't taking the tests that are out there.
00:06:57.000By the way, I've experienced this myself.
00:06:59.000My wife, earlier this week, came down with a fairly high-grade fever.
00:07:02.000It turns out that she just had an infection.
00:07:05.000But she went to, we went and we actually got a COVID-19 test.
00:07:07.000She's nursing, she got an infection from that.
00:07:09.000We actually went and we got a COVID-19 test.
00:07:16.000They have stations set up all around Southern California.
00:07:20.000The availability of tests is extremely high.
00:07:24.000According to the Washington Post, in fact, the availability of testing is so high that not enough people are actually accessing the testing.
00:07:31.000So the Washington Post reports four months into the U.S.
00:07:33.000coronavirus outbreak, tests for the virus finally are becoming widely available, a crucial step toward lifting stay-at-home orders and safely returning to normal life.
00:07:41.000While many states no longer report crippling supply shortages, a new problem has emerged.
00:07:45.000Too few people lining up to get tested.
00:07:48.000Okay, so on the one hand, the suggestion is that a lot of people should be getting tested who are not getting tested.
00:07:52.000On the other hand, what that really means is, listen, right now in America, if you have coronavirus symptoms, high likelihood you're going to go get tested.
00:08:00.000High likelihood, but that really means there are a lot of asymptomatic people out there or people who are actually not sick with coronavirus at all.
00:08:05.000A Washington Post survey of governor's offices and state health departments found at least a dozen states where testing capacity outstrips the supply of patients.
00:08:12.000Many have scrambled to make testing more convenient, especially for vulnerable communities, by setting up pop-up sites and developing apps that help assess symptoms, find free test sites, and deliver quick results.
00:08:21.000But the numbers, while rising, are well short of capacity and far short of targets set by independent experts.
00:08:25.000Utah, for example, is conducting about 3,500 tests a day.
00:08:28.000That's a little more than a third of its 9,000 test maximum capacity.
00:08:31.000Health officials have erected highway billboards begging drivers to get tested for COVID-19.
00:08:37.000Well, that's the million-dollar question, said Utah Health Department spokesman Tom Hudachko.
00:08:41.000It could be simply that people don't want to be tested.
00:08:43.000It could be that people feel like they don't need to be tested.
00:08:46.000It could be that people are so mildly symptomatic, they're just not concerned that having a positive lab result would actually change their course in any meaningful way.
00:08:53.000See, I think it's probably the latter.
00:08:55.000Maybe it's just confirmation bias from the people I talk to in my crowd.
00:09:13.000Maybe it's just that not that many people are experiencing symptoms, or at least severe symptoms, sufficient that they feel like they need to go get tested.
00:09:20.000Experts say several factors may be preventing more people from seeking tests, including a lingering sense of scarcity, a lack of access in rural and underserved communities, concerns about cost, and skepticism about testing operations.
00:09:31.000Ayla Stanford is a pediatric surgeon in Philadelphia.
00:09:33.000She's providing free testing in low-income and minority communities.
00:09:36.000She says, we know there's a lack of trust in the African-American community with the medical profession.
00:09:39.000She has an effort which offers testing in church parking lots.
00:09:42.000They've serviced more than 3,000 people in recent weeks.
00:09:45.000Also, there's lingering confusion about who qualifies.
00:09:49.000Last month, the CDC relaxed its guidelines to offer tests to people without symptoms or referred by local health departments or clinicians.
00:09:56.000Some states have relaxed their testing criteria dramatically.
00:09:58.000Governor Brian Kemp has encouraged all Georgians, even if you're not experiencing symptoms, to schedule an appointment.
00:10:04.000So by the way, if George is actually encouraging people to go out and get tested, and so they have a larger number of people getting tested, you would expect to see a spike in positives, right?
00:10:12.000Again, Republican urged residents earlier this month to call 2-1-1, find a location close to you, even if you don't have symptoms and you are just curious.
00:10:21.000Ashish Jha, who directs the Harvard Global Health Institute, said a lot of states put in very, very restrictive testing policies because they didn't have tests.
00:10:27.000They've either not relaxed those or the word is not getting out.
00:10:29.000We want to be at a point where everybody who has mild symptoms is tested.
00:10:32.000That is still not happening in a lot of places.
00:10:34.000But, again, as we move forward, it seems like if you... Listen, if you wanted to get tested before, you basically had to fib.
00:10:42.000If you wanted to get tested, you had to say that you knew something because the CDC standards were so ridiculous that it was like, do you know somebody who's had coronavirus?
00:11:31.000It does not seem like there is on-the-ground demand for testing that is not appearing so much as a national demand for testing because there is this, again, slogan out there that testing and tracing are the solution to this thing.
00:11:42.000When you're providing more tests than people are actually taking advantage of, that is not a problem of supply, that is a problem of demand.
00:11:46.000And the federal government is doing its best to fill that in.
00:11:49.000But what that really shows is that we are not experiencing overwhelming of the healthcare system.
00:11:53.000We're not experiencing overwhelming numbers of cases.
00:11:55.000And this is driving a sort of change in the rhetoric that you're seeing from Democrats.
00:11:59.000So for a while there, the rhetoric was, we got to shut down until we have a vaccine.
00:12:02.000And by the way, another piece of good news, Moderna is now announcing that they've had positive interim phase one data for their new mRNA vaccine.
00:12:10.000They're saying that their new tests on the vaccine are successful and they're moving forward.
00:12:15.000So there are many vaccines apparently that are now in preclinical result testing.
00:12:20.000And they've seen some very positive results.
00:12:23.000They're trying to figure out exactly what the dosage should be.
00:12:27.000But the bottom line is that this is very good news.
00:12:29.000As Scott Gottlieb says, encouraging news today on Moderna vaccine technology will eventually let us reduce the COVID threat and reclaim normal times.
00:12:35.000Early data shows it generates robust immune reaction.
00:12:40.000Moderna is now testing a new 50 milligram dose.
00:12:44.000We must establish, or microgram dose, rather.
00:12:46.000We must establish regulatory measures for antibody titers, clinical measures of benefit to serve as clear benchmarks of success for studies.
00:12:53.000Right now, FDI requires neutralizing antibody titer of at least 1 to 160 for convalescent serum donors.
00:12:59.000There's some suggestion that vaccines could protect us from bad symptoms of COVID, but not totally protect us from getting the infection, sort of like a flu shot.
00:13:05.000OK, well, I think that we would all go for that, right?
00:13:07.000If this was reduced to the danger of the flu, I think we would all be like, OK, done, done.
00:13:12.000OK, and then good news is that seems to be the direction we are moving.
00:13:18.000The summer seems to be slowing the spread, as Dr. Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins told me last week.
00:13:22.000It seems as though the testing shortages are are actually not supremely material in most major states at this point.
00:13:30.000It seems like it's really more a problem of people being aware that they can get a test or people wanting to get a test than it is that the tests are not available, which is good news.
00:13:39.000And this is changing a lot of the rhetoric politically surrounding a reopening.
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00:15:07.000And it turns out that Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, he did the same thing with testing he did with ventilators, which is he said he needed a lot more than he needed, right?
00:15:23.000Yesterday, Cuomo announced that the New York State drive-thru and walk-in locations are capable of testing 15,000 people a day, and they are currently testing 5,000 people a day.
00:15:31.000In other words, there is a surplus per day of 10,000 tests.
00:16:00.000That's all we can do until a vaccine is developed.
00:16:02.000Good news is it looks like a few months until maybe there will be some sort of workable vaccine that at least drives down the symptoms or a therapeutic that drives down the symptoms sufficient we can go back to our normal everyday lives.
00:16:11.000When I say normal everyday lives, I don't mean with social distancing, with masks.
00:16:14.000I mean, I think that we are probably a few months away from going back to like actual regular life.
00:16:18.000I think that we are going to get back to the point where people actually do go to ballgames.
00:16:22.000We're going to get back to the point where people do shake hands with one another.
00:16:24.000I don't think handshakes are dead forever, by the way.
00:16:26.000I think we'll hopefully we'll still keep some things like washing our hands a lot and not touching our faces so much.
00:16:31.000But I think that as we develop therapeutics and a vaccine, that is the hope.
00:16:34.000Don't do it prematurely, but that is the hope in the near future.
00:16:38.000And until then, we mitigate risk and buy ourselves time because the therapeutics are coming down the pike.
00:16:41.000Now, as I say, You know, there is this sort of pessimistic vision of the future in which there's no vaccine and there's no therapeutic, in which case you just want to achieve herd immunity as fast as possible, which in the United States would be pretty dangerous because there are a lot of unhealthy people, but...
00:16:56.000I think that if we're all responsible for a few months, we're going to get closer to normal by September, October, November, certainly by the beginning of next year, than many people had thought, including me, early on in this process.
00:17:08.000And you're starting to see Democrats adapt their talk about this.
00:17:10.000So here's Cuomo explaining, we actually have more testing than we can use right now.
00:17:14.000We have more sites and more testing capacity than we're using.
00:17:55.000We think we overestimated how many deaths there were, which is pretty astonishing.
00:17:58.000Remember, when Trump said this, he was ripped up and down.
00:18:00.000When any Republican has suggested that the classification of COVID deaths has actually been too broad because it counted people who died with COVID as opposed to people who died of COVID.
00:18:10.000You have many preexisting medical conditions.
00:18:12.000You get COVID, but you actually die of something else.
00:18:14.000You'd have a heart attack or something.
00:18:15.000And you are classified as a COVID-19 death or you're classified as a COVID-19 death when you die in your home and you're just an excess death and we don't actually know why you died.
00:18:22.000The policy is like, you know what, if we're actually going to be statistically accurate about this thing, Then we need to measure people who died of COVID-19 as opposed to people who died with COVID-19.
00:19:09.000That those 200 in the middle, it might have been a contributing factor, but it wasn't deemed the sole factor or the only factor in their death.
00:19:16.000Weird, because again, if you mentioned this like just a few weeks ago, then the suggestion is you were downplaying the virus.
00:19:21.000Again, Jared Powell can reopen Colorado in exactly the same way as Brian Kemp reopened Georgia, and he can say exactly the same stuff as President Trump about downgrading the number of deaths.
00:19:30.000Not a shred of criticism from the media.
00:20:20.000Okay, and then he went on to say, and this is a direct quote, older people, vulnerable people are going to die from this virus.
00:20:26.000This is going to happen despite whatever you do.
00:20:28.000Weird, because there were those of us who were saying this when it came to risk mitigation.
00:20:32.000There were those who were saying this when it came to how do we strategize about tranching populations back into the workforce.
00:20:37.000There were those of us who were saying this and we trended on Twitter for saying this.
00:20:40.000Andrew Cuomo says it and everybody's like, oh, well, you know, Andrew Cuomo, hero of the people, man, hero of the people.
00:20:45.000So now we're allowed to say the stuff that's true out loud when it becomes clear that now we are on the downtrend and when it becomes clear that it's going to cost Democrats if they continue to keep Every part of the economy shut down for extended periods of time, despite the fact that the evidence doesn't show that we should do all of that.
00:21:01.000Rahm Emanuel, the former chief of staff to Barack Obama, he says, guys, I think Democrats are kind of too resistant about reopening.
00:21:06.000We're going to need to talk reopening now.
00:21:08.000On the Democratic side on messaging, we look a little too much messaging, too much about resistance about reopening, too much about reluctance about reopening.
00:21:17.000And we should go to a message of rebuilding America.
00:21:20.000If the president wants to talk about reopening, we want to talk about rebuilding America and the relief.
00:21:36.000You don't have to pay a penny out of your pocket.
00:21:39.000Learn to code is the Democrats' new program.
00:21:41.000But the main point of what Rahm Emanuel is saying is correct, which is the Democrats have been extremely resistant to reopening.
00:21:46.000Because the media calculus was such, until the last five minutes, the media calculus was such that if you said lockdown until every life is safe, my grandmother, she means everything to me, then you were rewarded.
00:21:56.000And if you said, guys, we have to figure out a way to reopen because the economy is dying and 40 million people are out of work and everybody is losing their life savings and their life dreams, then you were a bad person.
00:22:04.000But now that it appears that we are on the downslope, Then, and it appears that Florida and Georgia, and things could reverse, but Florida and Georgia, among many other states, do not appear that they're being overwhelmed in terms of the healthcare system and not being close to overwhelmed in terms of the healthcare system.
00:22:17.000Now the rhetoric is starting to change.
00:22:20.000And we're all getting to where I suggested we were going to be in the first place, which is individual decision-making about risk mitigation.
00:22:26.000Well, who could have suggested all of this stuff weeks ago, months ago?
00:22:34.000We'll get to that in just... We'll get to how right I was in just one second.
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00:23:41.000Okay, so as we see, people are engaging in risk mitigation or risk taking as they see fit.
00:23:50.000In New York, people were going back out to bars and beaches, according to the New York Post.
00:23:54.000Lockdown-weary New Yorkers ditching the distancing to get social instead this weekend, transforming parts of the Big Apple into raucous late-season Mardi Gras.
00:24:01.000Yet the city's COVID-be-damned attitude was nothing compared with the scene in Belmar, New Jersey, a beach popular with Staten Islanders and Brooklynites.
00:24:07.000Huge crowds waited shoulder-to-shoulder on the boardwalk for their turn to buy beach badges.
00:24:11.000The line for beach badges was like four non-socially distanced blocks long, tweeted Jared Seidler, who described the boardwalk as obscenely packed.
00:24:22.000Is that something they're doing just because of COVID-19, or is that something that you actually have to do in New Jersey?
00:24:25.000I just actually don't know the answer to that.
00:24:27.000If the government has now restricted it so you have to buy a beach badge so as not to overcrowd the beach, so you just end up with a crowded line, then that's what you call policy stupidity at the highest level.
00:24:37.000Outside bars on the Upper East Side, the Upper West Side, the East and West Villages, and in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, The Post found booze hounds arriving for the takeout cocktails and then staying and staying to sip drinks on packed sidewalks and soak up the lively scenes.
00:24:49.000Are you going to drink with a mask on, said one reveler, hairdresser Akeem Kelly.
00:24:53.000His mask dangled below his chin as he stood outside the Upper East Side's popular Dorian's Red Hand Bar, where crowds exceeding three dozen, nearly all in masks, were found in the early evenings of Friday and Saturday.
00:25:03.000They don't care about us, said Anne Trent, 72, of Manhattan on Saturday.
00:25:06.000She sat on a bench at the west end of the Brooklyn Bridge as a steady stream of mask-free sightseers and bicyclists passed her by, and she mused, what happened to all of us protecting everybody else?
00:25:14.000Okay, I'll tell you what happened, is that a bunch of young people said, I don't care if I get this.
00:25:17.000Right, that's actually what's going on right now.
00:25:21.000And in fact, if you see an elderly person anywhere in your near vicinity, you're going to want to throw up that mask.
00:25:25.000But can we stop pretending that a bunch of 20-year-olds hanging out at a bar is the same thing as a bunch of people at a nursing home hanging out together?
00:25:32.000Okay, now, again, I think that for purposes of slowing the spread, here's my rule.
00:25:36.000My personal rule has been that when I'm out and about, if I'm six feet away from everybody else and outdoors, I don't wear a mask.
00:25:42.000When I'm outdoors with my kids, I don't wear a mask.
00:25:44.000When I go into a restaurant to pick up food, when I go over to the garden supply store where I'm in close proximity with people, I put on the mask.
00:25:51.000And I think that that's a fairly good rule.
00:25:53.000And that's a good rule mainly because, you know, I just don't know who's vulnerable and who is not vulnerable.
00:25:57.000However, if you're talking about like a bar scene and everybody there is 20, I gotta say that the risk factors in terms of people dying of COVID are not particularly high, especially if everybody, again, socially distances from the most vulnerable.
00:26:09.000And that's a decision that you are going to have to make yourself.
00:26:11.000What is not a smart decision and not a good decision is if you're not wearing the mask and you are near somebody who you know is vulnerable.
00:26:29.000Most people who are risk-averse are being risk-averse.
00:26:31.000Most people who are being risk-seeking are being risk-seeking.
00:26:34.000And most people are actually being fairly smart about this.
00:26:37.000The media are going to pick out these instances of people who are being dumb, and then they're going to highlight those so that they can claim that the government needs to be deeply involved in regulating individual behavior.
00:26:45.000But the reality is that if you got tens of millions of people who are engaging in individual decision-making anyway, that's just how it's going to be.
00:26:53.000There's a good article today in the San Jose Mercury News talking About risk assessment.
00:27:00.000Says, as an infectious disease expert, Dr. George Rutherford knows all about the horrors of COVID-19.
00:27:05.000There's one risk the UC San Francisco professor wearing a mask is willing to take, hugging his two-year-old granddaughter.
00:27:10.000For two months, we've been diligent about staying home, but as Bay Area residents start to venture out with parts of the state gradually loosening lockdown restrictions, how do we navigate this new landscape of peril and promise?
00:27:18.000We can't stay isolated and fearful forever.
00:28:02.000Maybe it was that a bunch of Republican states started to reopen, didn't see massive spikes, and people around the country, they're like, oh, look at that.
00:28:17.000But they also have to come up with a new message, because let's say that people start reopening and people are generally responsible and the economy starts to reopen.
00:28:25.000People start getting hired back slowly but surely.
00:28:29.000By the time we get to fall, schools are open and we are basically, let's say, best case scenario, we're back to 80 percent of normal by November.
00:28:36.000And the economy is moving back up again, and no one's going to blame Trump for the coronavirus.
00:28:41.000You can't blame Trump for a worldwide pandemic that knocked out places like Italy and knocked out places like the UK.
00:28:47.000The United States ranges middle of the pack when it comes to number of deaths per million, and when you take out New York City, we range near the bottom.
00:28:53.000So really, it was a New York failure, and everybody else did kind of okay, aside from some of the major cities like New Orleans and Chicago.
00:29:00.000Because the United States is a fairly diffuse place in terms of population, except for those major populations that are specifically in New York City.
00:29:07.000So the Democrats have to come up with a new message.
00:29:28.000Every bad situation is just an indicator that we need to remake the system completely.
00:29:31.000So Barack Obama gave a speech over the weekend to people who are graduating from college and was widely praised by the media for doing so because Obama could fart and the media would praise him for it.
00:29:39.000His farts smelled like roses according to the members of CNN's editorial board.
00:29:43.000So Barack Obama gave this speech And his speech included, I don't know why in the middle of a graduation he would do this, but apparently it's a very unifying thing.
00:29:51.000It's very unifying to say that the leadership of the country sucks when you're the ex-president.
00:29:58.000You notice how Republican presidents, I don't think Trump will do this, but every other Republican president basically went away after their president.
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00:33:37.000Okay, so, President Obama gives this speech to graduates, and he lays out the Democratic program.
00:33:42.000Program number one, he's gonna yell at Trump about how Trump sucks.
00:33:44.000Program number two, this COVID-19 shows that America needs fundamental change.
00:33:49.000Weird, because I thought that when he came onto the scene, we got the fundamental change, right?
00:33:52.000Turns out, there's never change fundamental enough for the left, because in the left-wing worldview, any inequality is an inequity, meaning anything that is unequal in life is not about The fact that people are not actually equal in all of their capacities and all of their skill sets.
00:34:13.000So everything in America is about unfairness.
00:34:16.000It is not about the fact that any statistical division you draw in American society is going to include inequality.
00:34:23.000So if that is your viewpoint, then the only indicator that you have reached fairness is when everybody ends up with exactly the same results, basically no matter what they do.
00:34:31.000You take the decision-making out of the process.
00:34:33.000So that means that it is perpetual revolution on the left.
00:34:36.000It means it doesn't matter if Obama fundamentally transformed America.
00:34:47.000Two, he suggested that COVID-19 shows systemic racism.
00:34:52.000Okay, it doesn't matter that we are expending extraordinary resources for all Americans so they can get the treatment that they need.
00:34:57.000No, this is really about how America has a legacy.
00:35:00.000Somehow, the death rates from COVID-19 are evidence of Jim Crow and slavery.
00:35:05.000Which, again, I guess in a certain sense is true, but only in the sense that all history is contingent.
00:35:10.000Meaning that all history leads to other things happening in the future.
00:35:14.000If Adam and Eve hadn't eaten from the apple tree, then presumably fewer people would be dying of COVID-19 right now.
00:35:20.000That's not a supremely helpful analysis of the current situation when it comes to policy on the ground.
00:35:24.000Here's Barack Obama making the fundamental case for transformation of American society, which is now being picked up by Joe Biden as well.
00:35:30.000More than anything, this pandemic has fully finally torn back the curtain on the idea that so many of the folks in charge know what they're doing.
00:35:40.000A lot of them aren't even pretending to be in charge.
00:35:43.000If the world's going to get better, it's going to be up to you.
00:35:47.000With everything suddenly feeling like it's up for grabs, this is your time to seize the initiative.
00:36:09.000When a Democrat is in charge, pay attention to authority.
00:36:12.000When a Democrat is not in charge, it's up to you, America.
00:36:16.000A disease like this just spotlights the underlying inequalities and extra burdens that black communities have historically had to deal with in this country.
00:36:21.000terrible and the 1619 Project is right.
00:36:23.000This is the message that Obama's pushing here.
00:36:25.000A disease like this just spotlights the underlying inequalities and extra burdens that black communities have historically had to deal with in this country.
00:36:36.000We see it in the disproportionate impact of COVID-19 on our communities, just as we see it when a black man goes for a jog and some folks feel like they can stop and question and shoot him if he doesn't submit to their questioning.
00:36:57.000Okay, what he is saying right now is totally insane.
00:36:58.000The reason that is totally insane is, first of all, if you're going to differentiate how COVID-19 is affecting populations, you'd have to first figure out a couple of things.
00:37:06.000One, people who are obese and have diabetes and have pre-existing conditions.
00:37:10.000This is more prevalent in minority communities than it is in the white community.
00:37:40.000I think it's actually quite a good thing in many ways.
00:37:42.000But it does mean that you are more susceptible to passing on COVID-19 to other people.
00:37:46.000But you have to take all of these into account.
00:37:48.000That does not mean that some inequity has taken place.
00:37:50.000You'd have to actually filter out all of the different decision-making variables.
00:37:53.000But according to Obama, if black people are hit harder by COVID-19 statistically, that means that America is racist and this can always be attributed to Jim Crow.
00:38:00.000He doesn't even have to bother to do the statistical analysis and figure out how much of this is due to inequity.
00:38:05.000He can just immediately cite inequality.
00:38:07.000And he can then connect it to another case where it is not clear that the driving factor was racism.
00:38:29.000However, we do not have evidence at this point that the incident was driven by race primarily, as opposed to being driven by vigilantism, by the people who are actually doing this thing, and driven by an insider corrupted deal, basically, between the DA in that area and the ex-cop who committed the shooting along with his son.
00:38:49.000I mean, this is why Obama's demagoguery is really so dangerous.
00:38:54.000When Trump is demagoguing, he just says something dumb.
00:38:58.000He'll just say, like, Joe Scarborough is off killing interns or something.
00:39:00.000He'll just say something where we can immediately be like, come on.
00:39:02.000Obama tries to create a superstructure of extraordinarily radical claims on top of very thin reads, and then wait for the media to bolster him.
00:39:13.000So he will say things like the Ahmaud Arbery, so what he did in that clip is pretty incredible.
00:39:17.000He said the Ahmaud Arbery shooting is about racism.
00:39:20.000Again, we don't know that it's about racism because we don't know the background of the guys who committed the shooting.
00:39:23.000Do they have all sorts of racist texts?
00:39:27.000Was this done specifically because they saw a black guy or is it because somebody in their neighborhood said somebody's burglarizing a house?
00:39:32.000And they were like, okay, well, whatever, man.
00:39:34.000I'm a vigilante and we've had this before and I'm going...
00:39:37.000By the way, still criminal, still bad, they should still go to jail.
00:39:40.000But we don't know the answer to that yet.
00:39:41.000So he takes a case where not all of the facts are known, he immediately attributes it to deep-seated American racism, then he connects that to another issue where it is not clear that racism is the deciding fac- Again, is the suggestion that our medical professionals are racist?
00:39:55.000Is the suggestion that our federal and state governments all across the nation, that the New York government, Bill de Blasio, has seen wildly disproportionate cases of black people dying as opposed to white people.
00:40:03.000Is Bill de Blasio and the city government of New York racist?
00:40:06.000And Bill de Blasio is like a full-blown communist.
00:40:41.000Bernie is like, give me pudding and communism.
00:40:44.000Obama still says that he likes the free market.
00:40:46.000Maybe he does, you know, in a very limited fashion, heavily regulated fashion, the same way Elizabeth Warren likes the free market as an ox that you can sort of chain up to the plow of the American economy and then direct it how you want, even if it ends up killing the ox.
00:41:02.000So Bernie over the weekend, he says, we need to fundamentally rethink how society works.
00:41:05.000Now, remember, Everybody who is saying the stuff that they were already saying before COVID-19, if this has not challenged any of your preconceptions about when government should step in and when government should not, it's because you're not actually following the facts.
00:41:15.000You are just reinforcing exactly what you thought before.
00:41:17.000As I've said before, reinforcing your priors, reinforcing your prior beliefs.
00:41:31.000So it could be, if the sky is blue, we should be socialist.
00:41:34.000If there's COVID-19, we should be socialist.
00:41:36.000Here's Bernie yesterday explaining we need fundamental change.
00:41:39.000If there is any silver lining in the midst of this terrible, terrible and unprecedented moment in American history in terms of the economy, in terms of the pandemic, it is that maybe we start rethinking some fundamental tenets about the way our government and society works.
00:41:55.000And we should ask ourselves, among other things, Is healthcare a human right that all of us deserve because we're human beings?
00:42:03.000Or is it simply a healthcare benefit that somehow we lose when we lose our jobs?
00:42:46.000Pritzker in Illinois didn't do a fantastic job.
00:42:48.000Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan didn't do a fantastic job.
00:42:51.000As that turns out to be the case, Biden is now shifting his message and he's looking for a positive reason to be president.
00:42:56.000Now, this is directly counter to why he was nominated.
00:42:59.000The reason he was nominated is because people didn't want Bernie.
00:43:02.000The reason he was nominated is because he was campaigning on the Warren G. Harding 1920 return to normalcy routine.
00:43:08.000His entire campaign was going to be about basically Return to status quo, return to a time that was not too crazy, return to a time where everything was sort of more even, even keel.
00:43:20.000No one is voting for Joe Biden because they want fundamental change.
00:43:22.000People are going to vote for Joe Biden because they don't want Trump.
00:43:25.000That was the initial theory of the Biden campaign, and it was strong enough to win him the nomination over a fundamental change candidate like Bernie Sanders.
00:43:31.000Well, now Biden is going full Bernie, according to the New York Times.
00:43:34.000More than 36 million Americans are suddenly unemployed.
00:43:37.000Congress has allocated $2.2 trillion in aid, with more likely to be on the way as the fight looms over government debt.
00:43:42.000Millions more people are losing their health insurance and struggling to take care of their children and aging relatives.
00:43:46.000Nearly 90,000 are dead in a continuing public health catastrophe.
00:43:49.000This was not the scenario Joe Biden anticipated confronting when he competed for the Democratic nomination or on a conventional left-of-center platform.
00:43:57.000Now, with Mr. Biden leading President Trump in the poll, the former VP and other Democratic leaders are racing to assemble a new governing agenda that meets extraordinary times, and they agree it must be far bolder than anything the party establishment has embraced before.
00:44:18.000You know what we're going to get back?
00:44:20.000All the good stuff that was happening just before this.
00:44:22.000But Biden is better at doing that than Trump, because Trump is volatile, and he says crazy things on Twitter, and he annoys you, and he says dumb crap.
00:44:28.000That was the heart of the Biden campaign.
00:44:30.000That's why it was like, elect this dead man, as opposed to electing Elizabeth Warren, a fundamental change candidate.
00:44:35.000Or electing Bernie Sanders, a fundamental change candidate.
00:44:38.000Now Biden is saying, well, I guess, you know, in light of this disaster, I'm going to go full, full bore radical.
00:44:44.000Now that actually opens the door to Trump.
00:44:47.000Truth, truth, like this is political malpractice on an incredible level.
00:44:51.000Biden is not a fundamental change candidate.
00:44:53.000And if he nominates a VP who is a fundamental change candidate, Kamala Harris, If he nominates a VP who's a fundamental change, Stacey Abrams, then the attack by the Trump campaign is not going to be on Joe Biden is old and incompetent and senile.
00:45:08.000The campaign is going to be about, would you like back the 3.5% unemployment we had just before this with a functioning economy?
00:45:13.000Or do you want Joe Biden spending trillions of dollars on programs he didn't like in the first place, like universal health care, Medicare for all, that involves everybody losing their private health care?
00:45:24.000And Joe Biden just wiping away every last student loan after you paid your student loans and then thrusting that on the back of the taxpayers?
00:45:32.000This is the greatest time for a return to normalcy campaign.
00:45:42.000And Trump is trying to say, okay, I'm going to get back there.
00:45:44.000But Biden could easily say, look, Donald Trump is not... I'm old enough to remember when the slogan against Trump was, this is not normal, right?
00:45:52.000And if we don't accept Trump as normal, then we can get back to the old normal of kind of half corrupt politicians like Joe Biden, He's been a lifelong politico, and sure, he's boring, and sure, he's not all that bright, but at least you knew what was coming in the morning.
00:46:06.000That was the campaign for Joe Biden, and now he's shifting it.
00:46:08.000According to the New York Times, Mr. Biden's campaign has been rapidly expanding its policy-drafting apparatus, with the former VP promising on Monday to detail plans for the right kind of economic recovery.
00:46:17.000He has already effectively shed his primary season theme of restoring political normalcy to the country, replacing it with promises of sweeping economic change.
00:46:37.000Like, listen, as a Republican, I'm happy.
00:46:40.000If you want Trump reelected, you should be happy.
00:46:41.000Because it does allow you to make the argument, the very proper argument, that Joe Biden is going to radically shift the country on the back of a pandemic.
00:46:49.000On Wednesday, Biden signaled anew he was willing to reopen his policy platform, announcing six policy task forces covering issues including health care, climate and immigration, as well as the economy, that combine his core supporters with left-wing allies of Senator Bernie Sanders, his vanquished primary opponents.
00:47:02.000And now he's going to just eat alive the Bernie Sanders program.
00:47:06.000Honest to God, if Trump does not go after him for the radicalism, it's political malpractice.
00:47:34.000They're talking about pumping trillions more into the economy, enacting infrastructure and climate legislation far larger than previously envisioned, passing a raft of aggressive worker protection laws, expanding government-backed health insurance, creating enormous new investments in public health jobs, health care facilities, child care programs.
00:47:49.000Banning stock buybacks, compelling big corporations to share more of their profits with workers, a fundamental remaking of the American economy.
00:47:55.000You think anyone was on board with this?
00:47:57.000That's why Biden was nominated, because no one was on board with this.
00:49:12.000Maybe he thinks that if he campaigns radical, then it's gonna redound to his benefit because what you need is senility and radicalism on the ticket.
00:49:50.000This is what the Washington Post portrays her as.
00:49:53.000The top picture, by the way, from the Washington Post of her, is a picture of her sitting, you know, with a shiny table right in front of her.
00:50:02.000And the pictures of her holding up to her eye what looks like a giant monocle of an American flag.
00:51:15.000You wonder whether she has done this before, because it is not necessarily what one would expect from a 46-year-old politician who has nearly elected the first black female governor in U.S.
00:52:31.000So today, yesterday, Jake Tapper was on with Alex Azar, and he suggested that they were talking about coronavirus and the Trump administration response, and Jake suggests that we were hit much harder than other countries.
00:52:44.000By population, we were not hit harder than other countries.
00:52:47.000In terms of deaths per million, the United States ranks somewhere in the middle of Europe.
00:52:50.000And if you rank us without New York City, we rank near the bottom of Europe.
00:52:53.000You can't take the number of cases in the United States or number of deaths in the United States and compare it to Italy, which has one-sixth our population.
00:53:01.000You can compare us to the rest of Europe.
00:53:03.000If you take us compared to Europe, we're doing better than Europe overall.
00:53:06.000But here is Jake not getting this right.
00:53:10.000The United States has less than 5% of the world's population, but the United States has also almost 30% of the world's officially reported coronavirus deaths.
00:53:21.000You said back in January that, quote, the risk is low, our job is to work to keep it that way.
00:53:27.000Why is this virus hitting our country so much harder than it's hitting other countries?
00:53:32.000So first, just in terms of the actual case counts, we are testing more than other countries or than other major countries, and so we're seeing a tremendous number of cases.
00:53:42.000Again, it is not correct to suggest that the United States has hit harder than other countries.
00:53:48.000Europe has been hit with 162,000 deaths.
00:53:50.000The United States has been hit with approximately 90,000.
00:53:52.000That doesn't mean everything was handled great here.
00:53:54.000It was mostly not handled great by governors, who are the first line of defense against this sort of stuff, not shoving people back into nursing homes with COVID-19.
00:54:02.000But this is just not, like, and then you see Chuck Todd, right?
00:54:08.000Or is it the media suggesting from the very get-go that President Trump was blowing this thing?
00:54:12.000Suggesting that he was withholding ventilators on the base of personal predilections?
00:54:16.000Suggesting that Andrew Cuomo was a hero and Ron DeSantis was a villain?
00:54:19.000I'm very tired of the media who have been engaged in exactly the same sort of political polarization as Trump, suddenly discovering that Trump is polarizing.
00:54:26.000Like, this does not excuse Trump for being polarizing during a time we need unity.
00:54:29.000But the media have been just as polarizing, and in many cases more polarizing, by deliberately miscovering the stats.
00:54:35.000Again, when you say that the United States has seen more cases of coronavirus, we are testing more than any other nation.
00:54:39.000That doesn't mean that the tests generate the positives, as I've said before.
00:54:43.000It does mean that unless you test for flu, you don't know whether people have flu.
00:54:46.000Unless you are testing for a heart attack, you don't know whether somebody had a heart attack or some other cause.
00:54:50.000Here was Chuck Todd blowing it yesterday, too.
00:54:53.000Even before the coronavirus hit, political division was our pre-existing condition.
00:54:57.000And all this makes it easy to forget how much most of us are actually pulling in one direction to get us through the worst health and now economic crisis in a century.
00:55:08.000So maybe this is a good moment to remind ourselves of all those acts of kindness, selflessness, and heroism that do pull us together, even as protesters, partisans, and some high-profile politicians exploit the situation to try to pull us apart.
00:55:23.000Okay, again, this is just, like, have you been watching the media coverage?
00:55:26.000The media coverage has all been about a narrative of good and evil, and now it's shifted in real time as it turns out that we can start moving toward reopening.
00:55:34.000Meanwhile, the same media who say that only Trump is polarizing, that Trump is very bad, they've jumped on people talking about quote-unquote Obamagate as a conspiracy hoax.
00:55:43.000Now I'm just going to point out that when Donald Trump suggested that the media coverage of coronavirus was a hoax, that they were saying the federal government wasn't doing anything and that was a hoax, the media immediately suggested that what Trump meant by that is the coronavirus itself was a hoax.
00:55:58.000It was repeated endlessly by members of the media, repeated endlessly by the Democratic Party.
00:56:02.000It is not a conspiracy hoax to point out that half of the Obama administration was involved in unmasking Michael Flynn and that it was a pretty good shot that if you spend half your time following around Michael Flynn and you have half the administration with access to Michael Flynn's name and then it leaks to the media that somebody somewhere did something wrong.
00:56:20.000That is not a hoax, when it turns out that the evidence supporting the idea of a Trump-Russia collusion allegation was extraordinarily skimpy.
00:56:49.000And when you say, it looks like they bent the rules on that FISA warrant for Carter Page, which they did, which a judge, which the inspector general found, when you find that Andrew McCabe lied to the media, I mean, lied to the FBI, right, and didn't get prosecuted, when it turns out that James Comey was keeping open an investigation into Michael Flynn, even after the FBI knew that there was no actual material reason for the investigation to be open against Michael Flynn, you start to think, okay, Well, let's take best case scenario.
00:57:14.000These people are firmly convinced that Trump-Russia collusion happened, and they're willing to bend any and every rule in order to prove that it happened.
00:57:20.000And carried on for two, three years, and the media were complicit in that.
00:57:23.000But then, like Jake yesterday, he goes after Senator Ron Johnson, he says, this is all a conspiracy hoax, this Obamagate thing.
00:57:29.000Okay, it is not a conspiracy hoax to point out that people were routinely bending rules, that they were being overbroad about their application, I'm not claiming that it was a top-down conspiracy to get Michael Flynn.
00:57:45.000I'm not claiming that it was a top-down conspiracy to leak his name to the media.
00:57:54.000I'm just claiming that a bunch of people who are thinking in the same direction, namely that Trump-Russia collusion definitely happened and we have to stop these guys before it's too late, that those people bent the rules in extraordinary ways that if this had happened Trump to Obama and not Obama to Trump, we would be talking about impeachment on that basis alone, probably.
00:58:11.000Here is Jake Tapper, though, suggesting to Ron Johnson that all of the Obamagate discussion, all the Michael Flynn discussion is a conspiracy hoax.
00:58:19.000You have not made the allegation that the Trump administration is making, which is that President Obama committed crimes.
00:58:25.000You haven't said anything along those lines.
00:58:27.000But your work, your requesting of this information of the Director of National Intelligence, Rick Grenell, and again, I'm pro-transparency, true, at least at all, but your work is being cited as evidence for this crackpot conspiracy theory.
00:58:46.000Again, you keep calling it Crackpot Conspiracy Theory.
00:58:49.000I'm just trying to find out what happened.
00:58:52.000Again, I don't know where people keep getting this idea that anyone who is serious...
00:58:57.000He's claiming that Barack Obama was like, I want you to go falsely get Michael Flynn.
00:59:01.000Like that's not what anybody is really claiming here.
00:59:03.000They're claiming that Obama was in the loop on the pursuit of Michael Flynn.
00:59:06.000And again, I think that there were people inside the administration who were convinced that Flynn did something of which he was guilty and that he needed to be pressured by the FBI.
00:59:13.000That's why the investigation stayed open.
00:59:16.000The evidence supports that theory of the case.
00:59:23.000So, but the media are willing, it is, it's pretty amazing.
00:59:26.000And Kayleigh McEnany, who's doing a very good job as press secretary, by the way, Kayleigh McEnany, she came out yesterday and she scolded the media for their lack of curiosity in the Flynn case, and she's right to do so.
00:59:36.000You're an attorney and the president's spokesperson.
00:59:38.000Perhaps you could lay out the elements of this crime.
00:59:41.000What crime was committed and in what way?
00:59:44.000I assume you're referring to the Obama administration and the unmasking and... But the president calls Obamagate.
00:59:52.000Yeah, I'm really glad you asked because there hasn't been a lot of journalistic curiosity on this front and I'm very glad that you asked this question.
00:59:58.000Look, there were a number of questions raised by the actions of the Obama administration.
01:00:07.000And again, I don't think you leave it to President Trump to lay out the theory of the case here, nor do I think that anybody's going to get prosecuted, nor should they be prosecuted.
01:00:15.000I don't think Susan Rice gets prosecuted for unmasking.
01:00:17.000I think that the person who leaks to the media should be prosecuted.
01:00:20.000But if you don't have evidence, then you should.
01:00:21.000But again, there was this general miasmatic level of corruption inside the Obama administration, where basically Obama would say, wouldn't it be nice if this happened?
01:00:30.000And then somewhere down the line, it would happen.
01:00:32.000Obama didn't order the IRS to explicitly go out there and censor 501c3 groups on the basis of ideology.
01:00:38.000It just happened after he suggested publicly that it would be nice if 501c3 groups weren't biased toward the right.
01:01:07.000There's a really interesting novel by an Israeli novelist named Yochi Brandes.
01:01:11.000It's called The Orchard, and it's all about the generation that really created the Talmud, or right previous to the creation of the Talmud.
01:01:19.000It's really the story of Rabbi Akiva's wife and Rabbi Akiva.
01:01:22.000Rabbi Akiva is one of the most famous sages in Jewish history.
01:01:24.000It's revisionist, so if you're an Orthodox Jew, it's got some stuff in there that's going to leave you scratching your head.
01:01:28.000You're going to be like, well, I don't remember this part from the Talmud.
01:01:31.000But with that said, the last 20 pages or so of this book are quite moving and quite excellent.
01:01:35.000The book is called The Orchard by Yohi Brandes, and if you're interested in sort of ancient Jewish conflicts in ancient Jewish philosophy.
01:01:41.000The Christians come into play a lot here because this is around the birth time of Christianity.
01:01:45.000Paul, Saul of Tarsus, is a character in the book.
01:02:27.000Hey everybody, it's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show.
01:02:30.000You know, some people are depressed because the American Republic is collapsing, the end of days is approaching, and the moon has turned to blood.
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