The Ben Shapiro Show - Crying Wolf About Dog Whistles | Ep. 614

00:00:00.000 Florida Republican gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis runs up against a media eager to charge him with racism, the Democratic Socialists are on the march, and Cynthia Nixon goes mano y mano with Andrew Cuomo.

00:00:10.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:10.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:16.000 So I just want to clarify something.

00:00:17.000 The phrase mano y mano doesn't actually mean man versus man.

00:00:21.000 It means hand to hand, okay?

00:00:22.000 So that wasn't a sexist comment that they went mano y mano.

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00:00:25.000 So if you idiots start saying that was a sexist comment, it's just because you're stupid and you don't know anything about foreign languages. 1.00

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00:01:36.000 So I do want to talk about Ron DeSantis and this insane media spin that he is an evil, vicious racist. 0.97

00:01:42.000 But I have to begin today with the pope who tweeted something crazy out this morning. 0.90

00:01:46.000 I don't know what Pope Francis thinks he is doing.

00:01:49.000 I don't know what he thinks his job is.

00:01:51.000 And listen, I'm not a Catholic.

00:01:53.000 So, there are legitimately a billion people who know more about Catholicism than I do on planet Earth.

00:01:58.000 Maybe more than a billion people who know more about Catholicism than I do, but the basic information as it has been conveyed to me is that the Pope is supposed to be communicating God's Word on Earth and he is the Vicar of Christ.

00:02:08.000 Is this correct?

00:02:08.000 I think this is the general idea.

00:02:10.000 Well, this does not sound so vicarish, shall we say.

00:02:14.000 Here's what he tweeted out today.

00:02:16.000 We Christians are not selling a product.

00:02:18.000 We are communicating a lifestyle.

00:02:20.000 I didn't realize he was actually guest starring on Mad Men this week.

00:02:23.000 But when Pope Francis says things like, we Christians are not selling a product, we are communicating a lifestyle, he might want to think a little bit about the lifestyle that he and the church have been communicating in the last few weeks.

00:02:33.000 You know, the lifestyle that says that a Catholic cardinal, Cardinal Theodore McCarrick,

00:02:38.000 There's an awful, awful story that was out today about how the Pope basically dealt with the McCarrick situation.

00:02:44.000 And apparently he made some sort of joke about McCarrick being in the clutches of the devil.

00:02:47.000 This is an article

00:03:07.000 From from LifeSite news back in July, apparently McCormick gave a speech.

00:03:12.000 Let's see.

00:03:13.000 So the story is that Ted McCarrick was speaking in

00:03:19.000 He was speaking in October 2003.

00:03:21.000 McCarrick shared a conversation he had with the newly elected Pope Francis.

00:03:24.000 McCarrick told the audience he had a very serious cardiac incident while he was at the Vatican during the 2013 conclave.

00:03:29.000 When he returned from the hospital to the seminary where he was staying, his phone rang, and it was the newly elected Pope Francis on the line inquiring about McCarrick's health.

00:03:36.000 McCarrick relayed this conversation with the Pope, quote, I told the Pope that I guess the Lord still has some work for me to do.

00:03:41.000 The Pope responded to McCarrick, but on the other hand, maybe the devil did not have your accommodations ready.

00:03:46.000 And this was retold in a Washington Post story.

00:03:48.000 Well, if it turns out that the Pope was aware of the allegations against McCarrick, and he was making jokes about the devil having his accommodation ready in 2013, that's not good.

00:03:59.000 That's pretty bad.

00:04:00.000 And the Pope has stayed silent on all of this.

00:04:02.000 As I mentioned yesterday, the media's treatment of this issue has been absolutely incredible.

00:04:05.000 Just astonishing.

00:04:06.000 Because the media was all over the Catholic sex abuse scandals of the mid-2000s, when we had the Boston Archdiocese, which was caught basically covering up an enormous number of sex crimes.

00:04:18.000 And the media rightly was after the Catholic Church for that, in a way that, by the way, have never been, over secular institutions that engage in sex abuse.

00:04:25.000 When it's a secular institution engaging in sex abuse, that's just par for the course. 0.99

00:04:28.000 When it's the Catholic Church, then it's a huger deal, according to the media. 0.69

00:04:31.000 It should be a huge deal in either case.

00:04:33.000 But at least the media was going after the right folks back in 2006.

00:04:37.000 Now, of course, the media is interested in protecting Pope Francis because they feel that he reflects their political priorities.

00:04:42.000 If you want to know what's best for the Catholic Church, never trust the New York Times.

00:04:46.000 The New York Times is a pretty good indicator of exactly what the Catholic Church should not be doing, because you know what the New York Times editorial board would love more than anything else? 0.68

00:04:53.000 For all Catholics to stop being Catholic. 1.00

00:04:55.000 They would like to see the Catholic Church utterly destroyed, just as they would like to see Protestant churches destroyed, just as they would like to see Orthodox Judaism destroyed. 0.97

00:05:02.000 The secular media has an extraordinary bias.

00:05:05.000 against religious institutions that they see as being restrictive and repressive of individual freedoms, particularly on issues of sexuality.

00:05:12.000 So if they're upholding a particular Pope, it's a fair bet that Pope is not a friend to traditional Catholic doctrine.

00:05:18.000 And it's certainly fair to say that the Pope's activities over the last several months here are creating a serious possibility of a schism within the Catholic Church.

00:05:26.000 I mean, there's a serious possibility here that you could actually see a break in the Catholic, a serious break in the Catholic Church for the first time in half a millennium.

00:05:33.000 That's not really an exaggeration.

00:05:35.000 I'm hearing from a lot of Catholic friends.

00:05:37.000 I'm not even talking about people who are politically conservative.

00:05:39.000 I have a lot of Catholic friends who are saying that this is making them seriously doubt the ability of this Pope to continue in his current job.

00:05:45.000 And there's no impeachment procedure for Popes.

00:05:48.000 He's there until he decides to step down.

00:05:50.000 So it's a real problem.

00:05:51.000 And the fact that the Pope is tweeting out these nonsensical nostrums from Cosmo magazine

00:05:57.000 Just demonstrates that he never was fit for the job.

00:06:00.000 I mean, listen, there are those of us who have been very critical of Pope Francis since day one, because it's very clear that Pope Francis had a certain political spin, a Marxist spin, on his own version of Catholic doctrine.

00:06:10.000 And as somebody who doesn't have a dog in the fight, other than I think the Catholic Church is a deeply important institution to the foundations of Western civilization, and I think the Catholic Church's continued health,

00:06:20.000 is absolutely vital to the continuation of central values that perpetuate the power and glory of Western civilization.

00:06:27.000 That's my stake in this.

00:06:28.000 But I don't have a stake in this as a practicing Catholic, because I'm not Christian.

00:06:31.000 That said, when I see the Catholic Church being brought low by its own leadership on the basis of political leftism, because whether Pope Francis thinks that he has to appeal to a different crowd in order to raise the rates of conversion in poorer parts of the world, or whether he's just pandering to a leftist press, or whether he actually believes this stuff,

00:06:49.000 What he is doing, it's so obviously undermining the foundations of the Catholic Church that it's pretty astonishing.

00:06:54.000 Again, the New York Times is very pro-Francis because Francis was, every five minutes they would run a headline about Francis talking about homosexuality because he's much more to the left on homosexuality, even while still supposedly abiding by Catholic doctrine.

00:07:06.000 They would never run headlines about Pope Francis on abortion, of course.

00:07:09.000 Where he is traditionally well within the sort of Catholic doctrine.

00:07:12.000 It shows you where the press is in all this, and it shows you why there are so many Catholics who are really uncomfortable today about the leadership of the Catholic Church.

00:07:20.000 It's a serious problem.

00:07:20.000 OK, so meanwhile, in the United States, we are fighting over much less serious issues because the future of the Catholic Church is a lot more important than any one election that's happening in the United States.

00:07:30.000 But demonstrating more of the press's just utter incapacity to tell the truth,

00:07:35.000 Yesterday, the press went absolutely insane over a comment by Ron DeSantis.

00:07:39.000 Now, full disclosure, I know Congressman DeSantis.

00:07:41.000 He's a representative in the House of Representatives.

00:07:43.000 He is the new Florida Republican gubernatorial candidate.

00:07:45.000 He's a down-the-line conservative. 1.00

00:07:48.000 I'm friendly with Congressman DeSantis, but even were I not, this is just a bunch of crap. 0.94

00:07:52.000 Basically, Ron DeSantis was on Fox News, and he was talking about his opponent, a guy named Gillum, Andrew Gillum, who's the mayor of Tallahassee, who also happens to be embroiled in an FBI investigation of the Tallahassee mayor's office. 0.92

00:08:04.000 But more importantly, Andrew Gillum is a very, very left candidate.

00:08:07.000 He's 39 years old.

00:08:08.000 He's basically a Democratic Socialist like Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez.

00:08:12.000 We'll talk in a little bit about what his victory in Florida means and how it happened.

00:08:16.000 But Ron DeSantis was talking about his opponents in this race because it's basically a dead even race.

00:08:21.000 And here's what Ron DeSantis had to say.

00:08:23.000 But I mean, he performed better than the other people there.

00:08:25.000 So we've got to work hard to make sure that we continue Florida going in a good direction.

00:08:30.000 Let's build off the success we've had on Governor Scott.

00:08:33.000 The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state.

00:08:43.000 That is not going to work.

00:08:44.000 That's not going to be good for Florida.

00:08:46.000 Okay, so, what's amazing about this, did you hear anything in there that sounded really racist?

00:08:52.000 Did you hear anything in there that sounded deeply racist to you?

00:08:55.000 Apparently that was deeply racist.

00:08:57.000 Apparently it was incredibly racist.

00:08:58.000 Why?

00:08:58.000 Because he used the phrase, monkey this up.

00:09:00.000 Now, monkey, as used as a verb, is used routinely.

00:09:04.000 Routinely, by all sorts of people.

00:09:06.000 Here, for example, is a clip of Barack Obama using the term monkeying around.

00:09:10.000 Was Obama being racist?

00:09:11.000 No, because when you say monkey something up, or monkeying around, you're clearly using it as a verb.

00:09:16.000 Meaning like a monkey wrench, like you're tinkering with things.

00:09:18.000 It's legitimately in Dictionary.com.

00:09:21.000 The only definition of monkey as a verb is to mess around with.

00:09:24.000 That's literally the only definition. 0.97

00:09:26.000 But, we are supposed to believe that Ron DeSantis used the term monkey this up as some sort of dog whistle to a bunch of racists in the sticks who weren't aware that Andrew Gillum is a gay black man. 0.87

00:09:35.000 It's just, it's an amazing thing. 0.69

00:09:37.000 Anyway, here is Barack Obama using it in 2008.

00:09:41.000 It's not as if it's just Republicans who have monkeyed around with elections in the past.

00:09:46.000 Sometimes Democrats have too.

00:09:48.000 You know, whenever people are in power, they have this tendency to try to

00:09:55.000 Yep.

00:09:56.000 Tilt things in their direction.

00:09:58.000 So monkeying around is not an overtly racist phrase.

00:10:01.000 It's not even a racist phrase.

00:10:03.000 There's nothing about that phrase that is racist, but it is racist because you cannot use monkey and apparently socialist in the same sentence.

00:10:08.000 So even in that sentence, he wasn't talking about Andrew Gillum being black, right? 0.96

00:10:12.000 Which actually would probably be racist if you use monkey and then you say like, and I don't want them monkeying it up by electing a black candidate. 1.00

00:10:19.000 That sounds racist, right? 0.86

00:10:20.000 That sounds like you're making an overtly racist comment about the guy you're running against.

00:10:23.000 He said, we don't want to monkey up the economy by electing a socialist to lead our state.

00:10:27.000 That is not a racist thing.

00:10:28.000 And honestly, I'm puzzled by the theory.

00:10:31.000 I'm very puzzled by the theory.

00:10:32.000 So apparently the theory is that Ron DeSantis was desperately trying to reach out to the Trump voters he already has in his pocket.

00:10:38.000 Remember, Ron DeSantis ran the most pro-Trump campaign in America.

00:10:42.000 He ran an actual ad in which he dressed his kid, his baby, in a Trump onesie.

00:10:47.000 And according to the media, all Trump voters are racist, which means all the racists were already voting for Ron DeSantis. 0.88

00:10:51.000 But apparently it was deeply necessary that he had to somehow dog whistle to these five people who were going to vote against Andrew Gillum because he's black by using the phrase, let me just remind you, monkey it up. 0.95

00:11:04.000 That was his actual idea.

00:11:05.000 That's what he was going for, according to the media.

00:11:08.000 It's an amazing, amazing accusation.

00:11:09.000 Again, so he was using monkey as a verb in a commonly used phrase in order to make an oblique reference to a noun in order to appeal to people who are already voting for him, thinking the media wouldn't catch on and therefore driving an entire news cycle against him.

00:11:26.000 I mean, it's the machinations that DeSantis had to go through, apparently, in order to come up with this racist dog whistle.

00:11:31.000 The genius of it, the sheer genius of it, should boggle the mind. 1.00

00:11:34.000 But of course, all this is a bunch of crap. 0.98

00:11:36.000 I'm going to talk in a second about the backlash on all of this, and it's so dishonest. 0.98

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00:12:46.000 So, the media are not satisfied with simply suggesting that Ron DeSantis is an evil Republican.

00:12:52.000 He's a racist for using a term that is commonly used politically, like, all the time. 0.95

00:12:56.000 In fact, Andrew Gillum himself, the Tallahassee Democrat, has said in the past that his opponents were like monkeys on his back. 0.96

00:13:05.000 So it turns out there are lots of ways to use the word monkey without actually making a racially charged reference designed to elicit a certain response from the evil racists who supposedly make up your base. 0.60

00:13:14.000 But that's not going to stop the Democrats from jumping on this in fully dishonest fashion.

00:13:17.000 They did the same thing, by the way, to Mitt Romney.

00:13:20.000 Back in 2006, Mitt Romney suggested that the big dig in Boston, which I was there for this, they were digging a tunnel,

00:13:26.000 And the drill got stuck.

00:13:27.000 It cost him billions of dollars and he suggested the project was a tar baby, meaning that the project was costing money and you'd spend the money and then you'd have to spend more money on it.

00:13:36.000 And people pointed out that the phrase tar baby has a racist history going back to like the Br'er Rabbit tales of the 19th century.

00:13:42.000 And suddenly it was that Mitt Romney was making some sort of veiled racist reference about a tunnel project.

00:13:47.000 That's what Mitt Romney was doing.

00:13:49.000 I remember they did the same thing to George Allen in Virginia.

00:13:51.000 There was an Indian guy who was following his campaign at the behest of his senatorial opponent.

00:13:57.000 And the Indian guy following his campaign, not like Native American, like India, from India. 0.75

00:14:02.000 And George Allen said something like, oh, you see this guy following our campaign around?

00:14:05.000 I don't know, his name is like Makaka or something.

00:14:07.000 And then it turned out that Makaka was a Portuguese slur for black person.

00:14:11.000 And so people said, well, his use of the term Makaka was directed at the Indian guy.

00:14:16.000 He's making a racist reference to a random reporter in the back of the room in order to gin up the base in Virginia.

00:14:22.000 And it basically caused George Allen to lose the election.

00:14:24.000 I mean, George Allen legitimately lost a senatorial election on the basis of this.

00:14:27.000 It's why, just a couple of days ago, here on this show, when we were talking about a British story about men wearing frilly underwear, and the British word for underwear is knickers, K-N-I-C-K-E-R-S, I had to spell it out and explain exactly what word I was using, because otherwise, Media Matters would claim that I was using the N-word.

00:14:48.000 In 1999, there was a guy in the mayor's office in Washington, D.C.

00:14:51.000 who used the word niggardly.

00:14:52.000 Niggardly means stingy.

00:14:54.000 It has nothing to do with the n-word.

00:14:55.000 The guy was fired for using that word back in 1999.

00:14:58.000 So this is the part of the DeSantis thing that's so incredible.

00:15:01.000 The assumption here is that he was using the term monkey this up

00:15:10.000 Yes, I'm sure that the Yale grad and the Harvard Law grad is secretly a deep racist who is attempting to use a Southern strategy in a state he is likely to win already.

00:15:25.000 Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what he was going for, but that's what the media decided to push out.

00:15:29.000 So here is Andrew Gillum's response.

00:15:31.000 He says, of course, this isn't just a racist dog whistle.

00:15:34.000 It's a bullhorn.

00:15:35.000 It's a bullhorn.

00:15:36.000 Which seems, you know, discriminatory against male cattle.

00:15:40.000 But who am I to say?

00:15:42.000 Well, in the handbook of Donald Trump, they no longer do whistle calls.

00:15:50.000 They're now using full bullhorns.

00:15:52.000 And that was a bullhorn?

00:15:52.000 And what I've got to say about that is that we've got to make sure that we stay focused, I think, on the issues that confront everyday people.

00:16:00.000 That was a bullhorn?

00:16:01.000 My goodness.

00:16:02.000 I mean, I think it'd be fair to say that the president of the United States has used more of this dog whistling than than Ron DeSantis.

00:16:09.000 Like, I think the Charlottesville thing was really egregious.

00:16:11.000 I did, I think, several full episodes on the Charlottesville incident with the president of the United States.

00:16:15.000 But to claim that the phrase monkey this up with reference to socialism destroying the economy is some sort of racist dog whistle or racist bullhorn.

00:16:23.000 You want to know how you got Trump?

00:16:24.000 I know we use this phrase too much, but it's something that the left needs to understand.

00:16:28.000 The reason that Trump is President of the United States is because you cried wolf too many times.

00:16:33.000 You keep saying that every Republican who ever makes any reference to something that has nothing to do with race is actually making a covert racist reference and using Richard Nixon's 1972 Southern strategy.

00:16:44.000 This is the case you're making.

00:16:45.000 You claimed that Mitt Romney was a racist.

00:16:47.000 Mitt Romney.

00:16:48.000 You claimed that John McCain was a racist.

00:16:51.000 John McCain.

00:16:52.000 Right?

00:16:53.000 You claimed all these people were racist.

00:16:54.000 Now you're claiming Ron DeSantis is a racist.

00:16:55.000 You cried wolf so many times over a dog whistle that it turns out that when there are actual dog whistles, no one pays attention to you anymore.

00:17:05.000 Because it basically hears what you do.

00:17:06.000 Right?

00:17:06.000 Donald Trump says something that's actually bad and you guys go, well, you know, that's a dog whistle.

00:17:10.000 And we go, you mean like Mitt Romney was a dog whistle?

00:17:12.000 You're like, well, yeah, but, but no.

00:17:14.000 It's like, well, okay, so which, were you lying then or are you lying now?

00:17:16.000 Which one is it?

00:17:18.000 And the answer, of course, is that they were lying then.

00:17:20.000 I mean, that's the real answer.

00:17:21.000 But here's an MSNBC panel slamming Ron DeSantis.

00:17:24.000 Of course, Jen Rubin.

00:17:25.000 Of course, Jen Rubin, the in-house conservative at the Washington Post.

00:17:29.000 You can't see me right now?

00:17:30.000 I'm making scare quotes with my fingers.

00:17:32.000 Yes, Jen Rubin, the in-house conservative, so conservative that she is now to the left of Bill Maher on many issues.

00:17:37.000 Here she is on MSNBC explaining that DeSantis is a vicious racist, with no evidence, of course. 0.86

00:17:43.000 DeSantis is a Trumpite. 0.98

00:17:45.000 He fans racial hatred. 0.61

00:17:47.000 He fans fear of immigrants.

00:17:50.000 And that, I think, is going to come out in the campaign because that's what these guys do and they can't help themselves.

00:17:55.000 I think that it was clearly racist.

00:17:57.000 I mean, look, the remark didn't even make any sense.

00:18:00.000 It wasn't a rational argument or response to the conversation at hand.

00:18:06.000 What?

00:18:07.000 He was literally talking about a socialist messing up the economy.

00:18:10.000 And then he used the phrase, monkey this up, as opposed to muck this up or screw this up.

00:18:14.000 Or F this up.

00:18:15.000 Right?

00:18:16.000 Like, what?

00:18:17.000 But this is how the media is going to play this.

00:18:19.000 DeSantis is obviously irritated by this.

00:18:21.000 He dismissed the racism charge. 0.98

00:18:22.000 He says, this is just ridiculous. 0.97

00:18:23.000 And of course he's right. 0.98

00:18:25.000 It has zero to do with race, Sean.

00:18:27.000 It has everything to do with whether we want Florida to continue to go in a good direction, building off the success, or do we want to turn to left-wing socialist policies, which will absolutely devastate our state.

00:18:41.000 Okay, the Washington Post, however, was not buying this.

00:18:43.000 The Washington Post suggests that it is absolutely true.

00:18:47.000 This is a racist statement.

00:18:48.000 This is legitimately written in a newspaper, right?

00:18:51.000 In a major newspaper in the United States.

00:18:52.000 Quote,

00:19:01.000 No one did that.

00:19:02.000 He didn't even use the word monkey as a noun like that.

00:19:08.000 What?

00:19:09.000 And then and then there is a full 400 word explanation of the history of comparing people to monkeys, which is not what he did.

00:19:15.000 Right.

00:19:15.000 Leading American scientists in the 1850s embraced scientific racism to conclude that black people's similarities to apes was so significant that it influenced laws, policies and other decisions about African-Americans.

00:19:26.000 Yes, I'm sure that Ron DeSantis is a scientific racist from 1852.

00:19:31.000 I'm sure that that's exactly what he was doing.

00:19:33.000 This idea entered American pop culture at blockbuster levels and thus became more widespread via early 20th century films like Tarzan and King Kong, and images depicting black people as apes became common in anti-black art during the Jim Crow era of government-sponsored segregation.

00:19:47.000 What in the hell are you actually accusing DeSantis of?

00:19:49.000 Are you accusing DeSantis of being an 1850s-style scientific racist? 0.94

00:19:52.000 Are you accusing him of being a Jim Crow Democrat?

00:19:55.000 Is that what you're accusing Ron DeSantis, a Florida Republican?

00:19:58.000 Of?

00:19:58.000 Is that the direction you're going?

00:20:00.000 And now I guess you're comparing him to Roseanne Barr, who compared Valerie Jarrett to an ape?

00:20:04.000 But this is, I guess, where the entire left media is going to go.

00:20:06.000 I can't imagine why people think the media lied to them.

00:20:09.000 It's unthinkable to me.

00:20:10.000 How could people think that the media lied to them?

00:20:13.000 Now, does that justify the President of the United States saying enemy of the people?

00:20:16.000 No, it doesn't.

00:20:17.000 But, does it mean that Americans are less likely to trust the media? 1.00

00:20:20.000 You bet your ass. 0.97

00:20:21.000 And meanwhile, the media won't cover the actual facts about Andrew Gillum. 0.99

00:20:23.000 So, now let's talk about Andrew Gillum in just one second, because there are some things you should know about Andrew Gillum, this beloved Democrat who they want to prop up to the Florida governorship on the basis of lies about race baiting.

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00:22:03.000 Okay, so now let's talk about the real story with regard to Andrew Gillum the media doesn't want to talk about.

00:22:08.000 Andrew Gillum is a socialist.

00:22:09.000 He's a democratic socialist along the lines of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, which is to say that he will conveniently praise capitalism when he must, but he will generally say that capitalism is a bad thing, and he will claim that he's not a socialist when he sort of is a socialist.

00:22:23.000 This is the new game that we play if we are Democrats.

00:22:25.000 We say we are democratic socialists, which means we don't want to nationalize all industry or abolish the profit motive.

00:22:31.000 Unless we're talking to our base, in which case we kind of want to nationalize all industry or abolish the profit motive.

00:22:35.000 But we have to do this gradually.

00:22:38.000 We want to start off like Norway.

00:22:39.000 Like Norway, where we have capitalistic principles, but lots of social programs stacked on top of those capitalist principles.

00:22:45.000 And if it costs just a crap load of money, then we'll just do it anyway.

00:22:48.000 So Gillum, Andrew Gillum, is the mayor of Tallahassee.

00:22:52.000 As I talked about yesterday on the program, the FBI is investigating the Tallahassee mayor's office for use of public-private contracts to toss money

00:22:59.000 To some of Andrew Gillum's friends, it is worth noting that Andrew Gillum's rise is paid for by rich people.

00:23:07.000 So, Andrew Gillum is making hay right now, specifically because there are billionaires who are backing him.

00:23:12.000 It's also important to know that Andrew Gillum won this particular primary because he was running in a three-way primary and the votes split.

00:23:17.000 So, in much the same way that Martha McSally, who won a pretty clear-cut victory over Joe Arpaio and Kelly Ward in Arizona, she won

00:23:25.000 In part, at least, because that vote was split.

00:23:27.000 I think it was 17% for Arpaio, 28% for Kelly Ward, and the right person won in Martha McSally, who's a good candidate, an Air Force colonel, I believe.

00:23:35.000 In any case, the same sort of thing happened in Florida, where Andrew Gillum won this race specifically because the vote split between two other viable candidates in the Florida race.

00:23:45.000 Both of them ignored Gillum, and he ran directly to the left.

00:23:47.000 I mean, he just ran the inside rail, basically.

00:23:49.000 But he was also backed by literally millions of dollars

00:23:52.000 from liberal billionaires.

00:23:53.000 So Tom Steyer dumped millions and millions of dollars into this campaign.

00:23:58.000 George Soros dumped millions.

00:23:59.000 This is not conspiracy theory.

00:24:00.000 This is reported by The New Yorker.

00:24:02.000 Gillum had recognized that big money in the Democratic Party, Tom Steyer's money, George Soros' money, is now on the left, not the center.

00:24:08.000 Last year, Gillum watched closely as Soros' cash helped propel progressive candidates to victory in several local elections, including the Philadelphia District Attorney's race.

00:24:16.000 Gillum was familiar with Soros and his organization, the Open Society Foundation, a few years ago,

00:24:20.000 He helped launch a national network for young progressive elected officials and the Open Society Foundation was the group's main donor.

00:24:25.000 So this is a Soros guy.

00:24:26.000 He'd been in the financier's New York apartment, addressed his board of directors, and this spring dined with him in San Francisco when the two men happened to be in town.

00:24:34.000 Soros committed to back Gillum's gubernatorial campaign.

00:24:36.000 He says, if I'm remembering it correctly, it was, we don't know if you can win, but we would like what it could represent.

00:24:40.000 I interpret it to mean that it would be significant to see a person of color taken seriously in a statewide race.

00:24:45.000 No, it actually means that George Soros backs a lot of socialists.

00:24:47.000 I know we're going to turn everything into a color issue, but it has very little to do with color and everything to do with Gillum's economic policies, which are indeed extraordinarily left.

00:24:56.000 And you wouldn't muck up the economy.

00:24:58.000 You would screw up the economy if you actually were to embrace all of his policies.

00:25:02.000 Even Gillum understands, by the way, that if he runs too far left, he's actually honest about his own ambitions, that he ends up undercutting the economy.

00:25:08.000 So he was asked specifically about his Medicare-for-all plan.

00:25:11.000 So Medicaid-for-all is what... Medicare-for-all is what he's pushing.

00:25:15.000 Just like Bernie Sanders, just like Alexander Ocasio-Cortez.

00:25:18.000 Sure, it's going to cost a minimum of $32 trillion, tripling the federal budget over the next 10 years.

00:25:24.000 Sure, it's going to bankrupt virtually everyone in the country.

00:25:27.000 Sure, that's a minimum that it will cost because it'll actually cost a lot more than that.

00:25:30.000 That $32 trillion doesn't take into account renegotiations, doctor pay raises.

00:25:34.000 It doesn't take into account all of the additional costs that will be necessary.

00:25:37.000 Medicare can exist at its current levels because a lot of people have private insurance.

00:25:40.000 You do Medicare for all, private insurance disappears, and the costs are going to be a lot more than $32 trillion.

00:25:45.000 In any case, even Gillum understands that his agenda is too far left, so he's basically soft-pedaling it.

00:25:50.000 Here he is explaining that he won't try Medicare for All in Florida alone, because he needs a confederation of states, which is a way to say, I'm for Medicare for All, unless I actually have to bear the political brunt of Medicare for All.

00:26:01.000 If for Florida to move in that direction, we would have to do it as a confederation of states.

00:26:06.000 We could not do it by ourselves, solely here in the state of Florida, because it would collapse the system.

00:26:11.000 We would only attract the sickest of patients, and it wouldn't work.

00:26:14.000 Listen, people are terrified of getting sick.

00:26:18.000 They're terrified of getting sick because if they get sick, they can't go to work.

00:26:22.000 And if they can't go to work, they can't earn a wage.

00:26:24.000 If they cannot earn a wage, they can't pay their bills.

00:26:26.000 Okay, I love that Chris Cuomo there is actually feeding him the talking points on CNN.

00:26:30.000 Well, you know what you should say here is what you should say is you're a paycheck away from poverty if you get sick.

00:26:35.000 And Andrew Gilman's like, yeah, that's right.

00:26:36.000 Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly how Chris Cuomo coaches Republicans through interviews as well.

00:26:40.000 CNN, your objective news network.

00:26:42.000 I love that Andrew Gillum there basically explains the rationale for why Medicare won't work at any level.

00:26:47.000 He says all it will do is attract all the sick people who will then overtax the system and then are going to have to pay for it somehow.

00:26:52.000 So, we'll do it, just not in Florida when I'm governor.

00:26:55.000 So we should do it, but we won't do it because it'll be expensive and it'll bankrupt the system, but we should do it.

00:27:01.000 I can't imagine why folks are looking at this as a fantasy candidacy, but it's very easy to promise things that will never come to fruition.

00:27:08.000 Gillum then says, I'm not a socialist.

00:27:10.000 When he's called on all this stuff, he says, don't worry, I'm not a socialist.

00:27:12.000 I'm just a Democrat.

00:27:13.000 I'm just a Democrat.

00:27:15.000 Yeah, well, I mean, it shouldn't surprise you.

00:27:18.000 It didn't surprise me that the president is, again, creating fairy tales on his Twitter feed.

00:27:24.000 You do not describe to being a socialist.

00:27:27.000 No, I'm a Democrat.

00:27:29.000 I ran as a Democrat.

00:27:30.000 I am a Democrat.

00:27:31.000 And frankly, the values that I hold, I think, are consistent with the values of the Democratic Party.

00:27:36.000 In fact, I think they are the values shared by the majority of Floridians.

00:27:40.000 No, what I do love about this the most is that there's no follow-up question from Chuck Todd at MSNBC.

00:27:45.000 Okay, so tell me the difference between a Democrat and a Socialist.

00:27:48.000 Remember, they actually asked Nancy Pelosi that question.

00:27:50.000 She couldn't answer it.

00:27:51.000 What's the difference between a Democratic Socialist and a Socialist?

00:27:53.000 What's the difference between the Democratic platform and a Democratic Socialist platform?

00:27:57.000 And the Democrats won't answer it.

00:27:58.000 So this is just fudging their way out of the fact that their policies are completely out of left field.

00:28:05.000 Gillum is going to run a strong race now based on a media that wishes to push him to victory.

00:28:10.000 We'll see how successfully the media can do all of that.

00:28:13.000 The irony of all this, of course, is that because of this push to the left that's been happening, at least in part thanks to a left-wing media that loves this kind of stuff,

00:28:21.000 Other candidates are also seeing a rise.

00:28:23.000 One of those candidates, delightfully enough, is Cynthia Nixon. 0.99

00:28:25.000 So Cynthia Nixon, the former Sex and the City star, whose political background consists entirely of being the least likable member of a cast that included Sarah Jessica Parker, she is going to actually, she's running against Chris's brother, Andrew, and they've been running gun battle, Andrew and Chris, for stupidest Cuomo brother. 0.91

00:28:41.000 Chris occasionally takes the lead, but then Andrew sort of surges, and we'll see that even on today's show.

00:28:46.000 So what you see there is that Chris Cuomo

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00:30:08.000 As I predicted, Cynthia Nixon debated Chris Cuomo. 0.99

00:30:11.000 Not Chris.

00:30:12.000 I keep mixing up Chris and Andrew because, again, who cares?

00:30:14.000 But Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, was debating Cynthia Nixon.

00:30:18.000 And as I predicted, you get Andrew Cuomo in a room with Cynthia Nixon, it's not going to go well for Andrew Cuomo.

00:30:23.000 And the reason it's not going to go well for Andrew Cuomo is because he actually has to govern the state.

00:30:27.000 He actually has to be governor of the state.

00:30:28.000 Whereas Cynthia Nixon can sit on the side and talk smack, basically. 1.00

00:30:32.000 She can sit there and just yell at Andrew Cuomo for governing the state.

00:30:36.000 And all he can do is complain about how her performance was sort of lackluster in the late seasons of Sex and the City.

00:30:40.000 That's basically his only pitch.

00:30:42.000 So, they have this debate, and it's just amazing to watch, because it legitimately is like watching two small children club each other with frying pans.

00:30:53.000 Neither of them have very compelling points to make, but they make them the most militant possible way.

00:30:57.000 As someone with a two-and-a-half-year-old son, I'm familiar with how two-and-a-half-year-olds argue.

00:31:01.000 Basically, they say, I want X, and you say, you can't have X, and then they lie on the floor and they scream and kick.

00:31:05.000 That's basically how this gubernatorial debate went.

00:31:07.000 But because one of them is the sitting governor of a state, he looks small compared to Cynthia Nixon, who looks like the surging candidate. 0.82

00:31:14.000 I would not be surprised to see — I'll predict it here now — I would not be surprised to see Cynthia Nixon pull out this race. 1.00

00:31:19.000 It would not surprise me in the slightest to see Cynthia Nixon surge from behind and at least make this a very competitive race. 1.00

00:31:24.000 Right now, she's about 30 points behind in the polls.

00:31:26.000 But the polls are done infrequently, and Andrew Cuomo is one of the more lackluster candidates I have ever seen.

00:31:31.000 He makes gaffes on a regular basis.

00:31:33.000 And Cynthia Nixon at least has the sincerity of her convictions.

00:31:36.000 And since we live in a political age where sincerity is prized far more than actually knowing things, when you being sincere is really, really important.

00:31:44.000 But he truly feels this.

00:31:45.000 She truly believes this.

00:31:48.000 That's much more important than, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

00:31:51.000 It appears that Cynthia Nixon, I think she won this debate. 0.94

00:31:53.000 I think she won it going away.

00:31:54.000 And it's really, really funny.

00:31:56.000 So here is Andrew Cuomo trying to critique Cynthia Nixon last night by saying that she lives in a fantasy world.

00:32:03.000 And listen to the audience's response.

00:32:05.000 This is over at Hofstra University, which would be friendly ground for Andrew Cuomo, except he's running against the gal from Sex and the City.

00:32:11.000 My opponent lives in the world of fiction.

00:32:13.000 I live in the world of fact.

00:32:17.000 Let's just do a few facts, OK?

00:32:20.000 The subway system is owned by New York City.

00:32:23.000 OK, the reason that he's saying that is because she said that Andrew Cuomo is using the MTA as an ATM, which is a clever line.

00:32:30.000 It's not exactly true.

00:32:31.000 He's actually right that the MTA is run by the city of New York and they have not been contributing their fair share.

00:32:35.000 The state has been chipping in a lot of money.

00:32:37.000 She's not wrong that he's directed money away from the MTA and toward other projects.

00:32:40.000 But the fact that he's getting openly booed in the middle of debates by people, this looks a lot like Bernie Sanders versus Hillary Clinton.

00:32:47.000 It looks like the anti-establishment candidate versus the establishment candidate.

00:32:50.000 And the establishment candidate still has to pay lip service to, you know, the things that actually make the state run, whereas Cynthia Nixon can sit there and say whatever she wants. 1.00

00:32:58.000 Also, Andrew Cuomo then participates in one of the great self-owns I have seen in recent debate history.

00:33:03.000 I mean, this is a self-own of epic proportions.

00:33:06.000 You just have to listen.

00:33:07.000 It's really incredible.

00:33:09.000 Okay, that is what we call an own goal right there.

00:33:12.000 So, he asks her to stop interrupting, and she says, as soon as you stop lying, and he says, I will when you do.

00:33:31.000 Okay, that, logically, just putting on your logic hat for a minute, that means he just admitted that he lies all the time, and then he will stop lying as soon as she stops lying, so you have two liars on the stage is what he's saying. 0.99

00:33:45.000 You're the liar, or in the famous words of President Trump, you're the puppet. 0.98

00:33:50.000 He should have said something along those lines. 1.00

00:33:52.000 Instead, he comes back with, I'll stop lying when you just, 0.96

00:33:56.000 As I say, in the running gun battle for stupidest Cuomo brother, Chris had an early lead in this episode, but Andrew makes a very late comeback. 0.96

00:34:03.000 And this is the best part. 0.98

00:34:04.000 So Andrew Cuomo goes after Cynthia Nixon and he wants to accuse her of corruption.

00:34:10.000 So how in the world could he accuse her of corruption?

00:34:11.000 He suggests that she had engaged in corporate lobbying.

00:34:14.000 What was her corporate lobbying?

00:34:16.000 She had asked that the city of New York and that the city of New York

00:34:19.000 Not allow helicopters to fly over Central Park during performances of Shakespeare in the Park because it was disturbing people's ability to watch the play.

00:34:26.000 That was his example of Cynthia Nixon engaging in corporate lobbying. 1.00

00:34:30.000 Good luck with that, Andrew.

00:34:32.000 You are a corporation.

00:34:34.000 When you file taxes as a corporation, you are a corporation.

00:34:38.000 I have never, nor could I, donate to anyone's political campaign.

00:34:43.000 You are a corporation.

00:34:45.000 I donate through my own personal funds.

00:34:47.000 Are you a corporation?

00:34:48.000 I am a person.

00:34:49.000 And you're a corporation.

00:34:51.000 But I do not ever make political contributions through my... Yes, but you are a corporation.

00:34:57.000 No, no.

00:34:58.000 That is categorically untrue.

00:34:59.000 Okay, so it's so funny to watch them go at this because, again, it's two small children clubbing each other with frying pans.

00:35:05.000 What he's saying is that you're legally organized as a corporation for purposes of taxes, just like half of rich people in the United States.

00:35:11.000 More than half.

00:35:11.000 Virtually everybody who has any money in the United States has an Inc., or an LLC, or an S Corp.

00:35:16.000 Right?

00:35:16.000 Yes, everyone does.

00:35:17.000 Everyone does.

00:35:18.000 Because you do this for tax purposes, because then you write off all your expenses into the corporation, then the corporation files taxes and signs you a check at the end of the day.

00:35:25.000 I know, I'm organized exactly the same way.

00:35:27.000 Anybody who, as soon as you earn a certain level of money, it becomes beneficial tax-wise to do this.

00:35:31.000 So it's true that Cynthia Nixon is a corporation.

00:35:34.000 The great irony of this particular debate is that both of them believe that corporations should be less involved in politics,

00:35:39.000 But he's acknowledging, and so is she, a basic truth.

00:35:42.000 People are corporations.

00:35:44.000 He says, you're a corporation.

00:35:45.000 She goes, I'm not a corporation.

00:35:46.000 I'm a person.

00:35:47.000 He says, right, but you organize as a corporation.

00:35:49.000 And she says, right, but I'm a person.

00:35:51.000 Right, both of you are arguing that people shouldn't be able to speak politically so long as they're organized as corporations, which makes no sense at all.

00:35:56.000 But again, this is what you get when sincerity and socialist kind of talking points come to the fore.

00:36:03.000 I do love that the same people proclaiming money and politics are bad are going and hitting up George Soros and Tom Steyer for millions of dollars in campaigns.

00:36:11.000 And the two people who are running for governor in New York are a very, very wealthy actress who calls herself a socialist, and Andrew Cuomo, the son of a former governor of New York and the brother of a CNN host, who obviously, this is a guy who clearly brought himself up by the bootstraps.

00:36:26.000 I mean, this is a guy who had to work his way from the bottom of American society, really grasping that bottom rung, just pulling himself up step by step.

00:36:34.000 Okay, meanwhile,

00:36:35.000 It's worthy talking about the President of the United States, who's now on a tear against Bruce Ohr.

00:36:41.000 I'd be remiss if I didn't mention this, because this has become a major issue.

00:36:44.000 The President of the United States is ripping into Bruce Ohr, who's the former Deputy Assistant Attorney General over at the Department of Justice.

00:36:52.000 He was deeply involved in a variety of issues.

00:36:56.000 He spent more than 25 years at the Justice Department, and he's drawn President Trump's ire.

00:37:00.000 So President Trump was going after Bruce Ohr, suggesting that

00:37:05.000 Bruce Ohr, his security clearance should be revoked, that he's been involved in an attempt to basically stop President Trump from being successful.

00:37:13.000 Trump tweeted in the last couple of weeks, quote, Bruce Ohr of the Justice Department, can you believe he's still there, is accused of helping disgraced Christopher Steele find dirt on Trump.

00:37:23.000 Ohr's wife Nellie was in on the act big time, worked for Fusion GPS on fake dossier.

00:37:29.000 And then he continued, I feel like now's a good time to actually explain what's going on here, because you're seeing a lot of attention to Bruce Ohr and the conservative media.

00:37:38.000 So let's explain what exactly happened here.

00:37:54.000 So Bruce Orr is a longtime DOJ official.

00:37:56.000 He was friends with Christopher Steele, and it looks like he was communicating with Christopher Steele even after Christopher Steele, the author of the Fusion GPS dossier against President Trump, was basically cut off by the FBI.

00:38:06.000 So the FBI said, we can't talk to Christopher Steele anymore because he was leaking to the media.

00:38:11.000 And then it turns out Bruce Orr was still talking with Christopher Steele and apparently taking that information and passing it on to the FBI.

00:38:17.000 So despite the FBI

00:38:18.000 Deciding they would no longer work with Steele, Bruce Ohr was trying to act, it looks like, as an intermediary for Steele's information to get to the FBI.

00:38:25.000 Now all of this is in the aftermath of the election.

00:38:27.000 There are two accusations that are being made.

00:38:29.000 One of them has some evidentiary support.

00:38:32.000 One of them has not a lot of evidentiary support.

00:38:34.000 The one that has some evidentiary support is the idea that Bruce Ohr, whose wife Nellie does work for Fusion GPS, there's a whole nexus here.

00:38:40.000 Nellie works for Fusion GPS, and Bruce works for the DOJ, and Bruce is friends with Christopher Steele.

00:38:45.000 Nellie hired Bruce... Nellie hired Christopher Steele to, at least in part, come up with this Fusion GPS dossier.

00:38:53.000 He then met with Bruce Ohr, was funneling him information, Ohr was funneling that to the FBI.

00:38:58.000 The accusation, one, is being made that all of this information is what led to the continuation of the Mueller investigation and to the wiretap on Carter Page, that all of this led to the FISA application against Carter Page, that the Fusion GPS dossier was used as the basis for the FISA application against Carter Page, and that it never should have been, and it was being basically treated corruptly by Bruce Ohr because he wanted to get President Trump.

00:39:23.000 There is some evidence of that, although I will again note that the actual FISA application has a full footnote at the bottom of the application that specifically talks to the court about how this is an OPPO research piece of dossier that was handed by Hillary Clinton's campaign to the DOJ and the FBI.

00:39:38.000 So it's not entirely true that the court had no idea that this was a piece of OPPO research and to take it with a grain of salt.

00:39:45.000 What it really does raises the question of how easily the FISA court actually gives out warrants for wiretapping people.

00:39:51.000 I think it more goes to a systemic problem.

00:39:53.000 That's accusation number one.

00:39:54.000 Accusation number two is the one that I haven't seen the dots fully connected on, and I try to be as objective as I can in my assessment of which dots have been connected so far.

00:40:02.000 The dots that are trying to be connected is what a lot of Trump's fans are trying to do.

00:40:08.000 We're good to go.

00:40:32.000 Original investigation, according to Devin Nunes, right, who is the representative leading this particular investigation, into the investigation, right?

00:40:39.000 Devin Nunes is the head of the House Intelligence Committee.

00:40:41.000 He says that the George Papadopoulos investigation, the investigation of a low-level foreign policy aide who worked for Trump and was communicating with what appeared to be a Russian cutout, that's what led to the investigation.

00:40:51.000 So it had nothing to do with Bruce Ohr, it had nothing to do with Christopher Steele.

00:40:55.000 The accusation that's being made is that Bruce Ohr and Christopher Steele, that's the real reason that the Mueller investigation was launched.

00:41:00.000 The evidence isn't there for that yet.

00:41:02.000 The best evidence they have is that Christopher Steele and Bruce Ohr met on July 30th, 2016, in the middle of the campaign.

00:41:08.000 And the next day, the investigation launched.

00:41:10.000 But it's not clear that's what launched the investigation.

00:41:12.000 Usually it takes a couple of months to actually initiate that process.

00:41:15.000 So we'll have to see if that final dot is connected.

00:41:16.000 If that final dot is connected, then you have the serious possibility that the entire thing was trumped up.

00:41:22.000 There's a difference, by the way, between the investigation not coming up with anything and the investigation originally being trumped up for political reasons.

00:41:27.000 There's a logical distinction between those two.

00:41:29.000 We need to keep that in mind.

00:41:30.000 So that's the story on Bruce Soar.

00:41:32.000 Okay, time for some things I like and then we'll get to some things that I hate.

00:41:37.000 So, things that I like.

00:41:38.000 There's a series on Netflix, I think it was actually a USA series, I guess, called The Sinner with Jessica Biel.

00:41:45.000 It is

00:41:47.000 Dark. 0.73

00:41:47.000 I mean, like, really, really dark. 0.73

00:41:49.000 It's pretty disturbing as well.

00:41:50.000 The basic opener is that Jessica Biel is a young mother who just randomly stabs a guy on the beach.

00:41:55.000 And we don't know why she stabbed the guy on the beach.

00:41:57.000 She doesn't remember why she stabbed the guy on the beach.

00:41:59.000 And it's really well done.

00:42:01.000 Bill Pullman gives a very good performance in it as well.

00:42:05.000 So here's a little bit of the preview.

00:42:07.000 It is sort of what... It's Sharp Objects, I guess, on HBO.

00:42:10.000 I watched the first few episodes of Sharp Objects on HBO.

00:42:13.000 It is so slow that it is almost unwatchable.

00:42:16.000 In fact, it's so slow that I actually did what I rarely do.

00:42:18.000 I went on Wikipedia, read the end of the plot, so I would be able to skip the last five episodes of that show.

00:42:22.000 But this is what Sharp Objects should have been, which is disturbing, but a well-done sort of murder mystery.

00:42:31.000 Here's a little bit of the preview.

00:42:38.000 Where did you stab him? 0.97

00:42:40.000 I stabbed him in his neck.

00:42:43.000 You had no interaction with him before today? 0.98

00:42:46.000 I've never met him before in my life.

00:42:50.000 Then why kill him? 0.99

00:42:53.000 That's an impulse killing. 0.99

00:42:55.000 It's emotional.

00:43:00.000 Okay, so it's worth watching.

00:43:01.000 It's pretty compelling stuff, and all the performances are quite good.

00:43:04.000 I will say, there's this weird thing that seems to be happening on TV a lot. 0.59

00:43:07.000 In this series, Bill Pullman plays a guy who has guilt issues, and so he likes being tortured by women sexually.

00:43:13.000 We've also seen that in Billions.

00:43:14.000 Is this a thing?

00:43:15.000 Is this a thing I'm missing?

00:43:16.000 That suddenly tons and tons of people are into this?

00:43:19.000 Because I can't think of many things less sexy than having pain inflicted upon me for sexual purposes.

00:43:26.000 That's just so weird. 0.91

00:43:28.000 Hollywood's a weird place, man.

00:43:29.000 I mean, it's now in every show.

00:43:31.000 It's like, we've tried all of the different forms of sex, and now we have to go into the fringy stuff. 0.73

00:43:35.000 So we're just gonna, like, have every show feature somebody getting hit with a toaster in the face during sex for some reason.

00:43:41.000 So it's, that's a weird, just sort of a weird side point to that show.

00:43:45.000 But the show itself is well done, and I think worth the watch.

00:43:49.000 Certainly it is rated R. It's definitely an R-rated thing.

00:43:52.000 Okay, so other things that I like.

00:43:54.000 Betsy DeVos, the education secretary, is prepping new policies on campus sexual misconduct that would bolster the rights of students accused of assault, harassment, or rape, and reduce liability for institutions of higher education and encourage schools to provide more support for victims.

00:44:07.000 All of which sounds good, except the feminists don't like it because they like this vague standard where if a girl claims that something bad happened to her of any sort, 1.00

00:44:15.000 And anybody fights back against that, that person basically loses their job.

00:44:18.000 And we've actually seen that in places like Northwestern, where Laura Kipnis, who's a professor, female professor, who's a feminist, at Northwestern University protested at the standard in Northwestern, where a male professor who had sex with a female student 0.59

00:44:31.000 Apparently, voluntarily.

00:44:32.000 And then later, she accused him of abuse of power or something.

00:44:35.000 And Kipnis said, well, we might want to actually see, you know, like, the evidence.

00:44:38.000 She was investigated by the university for that.

00:44:40.000 For even saying that.

00:44:42.000 Betsy DeVos is fighting back against that, as well as she should. 0.92

00:44:44.000 The supposed campus rape epidemic is a bunch of nonsense.

00:44:47.000 There is no campus rape epidemic.

00:44:49.000 The actual Bureau of Justice Department statistics show that, Christina Hoff Summers and I talked about this, about 1 in 53

00:44:55.000 Women are subjected to actual sexual assault on campus, not one in four.

00:45:00.000 That is an order of magnitude difference.

00:45:02.000 Every rape is horrible. 1.00

00:45:03.000 As I've said a thousand times on the show, rapists should be castrated or killed. 1.00

00:45:06.000 It's the worst crime you can commit against somebody and I may include murder in that. 0.96

00:45:10.000 That does not change the actual stats and the fact that so many of these universities basically run Stalinist show trials based on no evidence and then get sued on the back end, right?

00:45:19.000 We saw this with mattress girl Emma Sulkowicz over at NYU.

00:45:22.000 It's really bad stuff, so good for Betsy DeVos.

00:45:25.000 The New York Times, of course, is very skeptical.

00:45:27.000 They say, unlike the Obama administration's guidance documents, the Trump administration's new rules will have the force of law and can go into force without an act of Congress after a public comment period.

00:45:37.000 Last fall, Ms. 0.99

00:45:38.000 DeVos rescinded a 2011 letter prepared by the Obama administration that outlined the responsibilities of schools and colleges that receive federal funding to address episodes of sexual misconduct.

00:45:47.000 Victim rights groups praised the Obama-era guidelines for aggressively holding schools accountable for complaints of sexual harassment, assault, and rape that they said had been often played down or ignored.

00:45:55.000 But critics contended that they too often trampled due process rights for accused students, which is absolutely true. 1.00

00:46:00.000 If you've seen the actual process on any of these campuses, it's insane.

00:46:04.000 We have a criminal standard for a reason.

00:46:06.000 And the idea that you're going to destroy a student's life based on a lack of due process seems fundamentally un-American in virtually every way.

00:46:16.000 It's an un-American process. 0.83

00:46:17.000 Good for Betsy DeVos for doing all of this. 1.00

00:46:19.000 And again,

00:46:20.000 The reason that we take rape so seriously is because the consequences for rape should be so serious. 0.99

00:46:25.000 All of these fools in the feminist media who have been claiming that one in four women on campus is sexually assaulted and then they conflate actual rape with a man going in for a kiss with a woman and a woman turns her cheek and glances off her cheek and that's sexual assault now. 0.99

00:46:39.000 That's, that's complete, it's complete insanity. 1.00

00:46:41.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate.

00:46:47.000 So CNN continues to push news that they can no longer back up.

00:46:51.000 President Trump has ripped into Carl Bernstein.

00:46:53.000 Now, Carl Bernstein did a report for CNN suggesting that he knew about the Trump Tower meeting in advance.

00:46:58.000 Now, do I fully trust the president that he didn't know about the Trump Tower June 2016 meeting in advance between his team and a Russian-backed lawyer?

00:47:06.000 Do I really trust the president on that?

00:47:08.000 Not really, because Trump says a lot of stuff that ain't true.

00:47:11.000 I mean, I'm not going to fib about that.

00:47:13.000 But there's been no evidence presented to actually show that he did any of that.

00:47:16.000 CNN ran this story.

00:47:17.000 It turns out the story was basically provided by Lanny Davis, who's Michael Cohen's lawyer, a former Clintonite.

00:47:22.000 And then he retracted it.

00:47:24.000 He said, well, I didn't actually have knowledge of that.

00:47:26.000 So Trump tweeted out, CNN is being torn apart from within based on their being caught in a major lie and refusing to admit the mistake.

00:47:33.000 Sloppy Karl Bernstein. 0.98

00:47:34.000 A man who lives in the past and thinks like a degenerate fool, making up story after story, is being laughed at all over the country. 0.99

00:47:41.000 Fake news. 0.99

00:47:44.000 This is a classic Trump tweet with all of the typical hallmarks of an authentic.

00:47:48.000 You've got the nickname, Sloppy Carl Bernstein.

00:47:51.000 What did he call Steve Bannon?

00:47:53.000 Was it Sloppy Steve also?

00:47:55.000 Yeah, so I do think that this is my only critique of President Trump's nicknames.

00:47:59.000 He needs a broader variety of nicknames.

00:48:02.000 He's actually started applying signifiers to the same people.

00:48:05.000 He should have a new one for Carl Bernstein.

00:48:07.000 There are a lot of words in the English language.

00:48:09.000 Little, sloppy. 1.00

00:48:11.000 Stupid, right? 1.00

00:48:13.000 Let's come up with some synonyms, just for the sake of variety. 1.00

00:48:16.000 He also says that he thinks that he's a degenerate fool. 1.00

00:48:19.000 I will admit, I have a certain fondness for the president using the term degenerate fool, just because, I mean, what the hell, man? 1.00

00:48:24.000 This is the world we live in now. 0.99

00:48:26.000 We're in the circus, we might as well enjoy the show.

00:48:29.000 But Carl Bernstein has indeed refused to back down from his story, but he won't exactly explain how he knows the story is true.

00:48:35.000 He's sort of betting that eventually it will come out that Trump knew about the Trump Tower meeting, because he knows that he will face no consequences if that never comes out, because the media want that story to be true.

00:48:45.000 CNN fired back at President Trump.

00:48:48.000 They tweeted back, The schoolmarmish nature of CNN communications, tweeting back, CNN does not lie, we report the news. 0.94

00:48:53.000 Again, it is this insistence that drives people up a freaking wall.

00:49:13.000 If they would just ignore the president and just let it sit, everybody would understand that, you know, it ain't great that the president always says fake news about everything he doesn't like. 0.99

00:49:19.000 It's not that great that he calls people degenerate fools. 0.96

00:49:21.000 He's the president of the United States. 1.00

00:49:23.000 You know, Abraham Lincoln back in 1863 wasn't going around being like, my political opponents in the press are degenerate fools. 0.98

00:49:30.000 It's just not a thing. 0.92

00:49:31.000 To be fair, Lincoln was locking them up, but the President of the United States now probably should not be doing that in the modern media era.

00:49:38.000 But when CNN says stuff like that, and then you have Chris Cuomo who actively is feeding lines to Florida gubernatorial candidates who are Democrats, it's hard for you to say that all you do is report the news.

00:49:48.000 Carl Bernstein himself doubled down on this.

00:49:50.000 He responded to Trump's Twitter attacks.

00:49:51.000 He said, Real Donald Trump, I've spent my life as a journalist bringing the truth to light through administrations of both parties.

00:49:56.000 No taunt will diminish my commitment to that mission, which is the essential role of a free press.

00:50:00.000 CNN stands by its story, and I stand by my reporting.

00:50:03.000 This is why the president shouldn't really do this, because all it does is elevate the people who are attacking him.

00:50:07.000 It's the Streisand effect for people who don't follow sort of pop culture stuff.

00:50:11.000 The Streisand effect is there was a person, an environmental photographer, who took a bunch of pictures of the California coast and wanted to put a book about it.

00:50:19.000 And there was like a map from above, a helicopter shot.

00:50:21.000 It included Barbara Streisand's house.

00:50:23.000 Nobody had seen this photo ever.

00:50:25.000 And then Barbara Streisand tried to have it taken out. 1.00

00:50:26.000 She tried to sue the guy for like $10 million.

00:50:28.000 He's just a photographer.

00:50:29.000 She tried to sue him for like $10 million and suddenly the photo was downloaded one million times because people wanted to see what Barbara Streisand's house looked like.

00:50:36.000 The president has the power to make

00:50:38.000 We're good to go.

00:50:57.000 This is a very obese person.

00:50:58.000 Tess Holliday.

00:50:59.000 Okay, so Tess Holliday, I guess, they call her a supermodel. 1.00

00:51:03.000 And she's on the cover.

00:51:06.000 She's got to be at least 100 pounds overweight here. 1.00

00:51:09.000 I mean, this is a very obese woman. 1.00

00:51:11.000 And the idea here is that this is body positivity.

00:51:15.000 I don't know how we skipped from anorexia to obesity and missed all the women in the middle. 1.00

00:51:20.000 Like, if we're gonna do body positivity, shouldn't we start with, like, a normal-looking woman? 1.00

00:51:23.000 And I'm not saying that, you know, it's not normal for certain people who have genetic conditions to be obese.

00:51:28.000 What I'm saying is that it probably is not a good idea.

00:51:31.000 Fat shaming is not the same thing as health shaming, right?

00:51:34.000 Saying that you should be healthy?

00:51:36.000 I'm not saying that if this is this woman's healthy weight, fine, fair game, good for her. 1.00

00:51:41.000 But I highly doubt that this is a healthy weight for any person, let alone this person, and treating it as though what the world truly needs is to change its definition of sexy

00:51:52.000 To include people who are dramatically overweight, I'm not sure what the positive impact of that is.

00:51:57.000 Maybe it makes people feel better, but it also is going to lead to a lot of folks not losing weight who probably should lose weight.

00:52:03.000 I mean, let's be realistic about this.

00:52:05.000 America right now is in the middle of an obesity epidemic.

00:52:07.000 We're not in the middle of an epidemic of people who are dramatically trying to be healthier.

00:52:12.000 We're in the middle of an epidemic where people are trying to, don't care about being healthy, and then they're being told that they should be fulfilled in their non-health.

00:52:21.000 If they were just to put in, like, Bridget Phetasy, who used to write for Playboy, and I'm friendly with her, and she tweeted something out that I think is exactly right.

00:52:28.000 She basically said, like, I'm a normal-looking 40-year-old woman.

00:52:30.000 Why am I not on the cover of Cosmopolitan?

00:52:33.000 Why is it that we have to go from either rail-thin supermodels, who no woman actually looks like unless she exercises three hours a day and eats kale, or we have to go with the 300-pound woman. 1.00

00:52:44.000 Why can't we just go to, like, a normal woman in the middle? 1.00

00:52:46.000 If you want to glorify what the normal woman looks like, why don't you take, like, the average? 1.00

00:52:50.000 Well, again, when I say normal, I mean like in terms of normal distribution.

00:52:53.000 In the normal distribution of weight, this is on one edge of the distribution, and then the real thin supermodels on the other edge of the distribution.

00:53:00.000 If you want to focus on like healthy body image, why not focus on the people in the middle who are actually living healthy lifestyles? 0.83

00:53:04.000 Why is that so out of the box? 0.98

00:53:06.000 But we're a stupid society where we have to take every fringe idea and then make it mainstream. 1.00

00:53:10.000 And suggest the only reason it wasn't mainstream before is because of evil, evil, evil discrimination. 1.00

00:53:15.000 Okay, time for something uplifting.

00:53:16.000 Let's do a psalm.

00:53:17.000 So every week we go through a psalm talking about some eternal values here.

00:53:20.000 We are on Psalm 7.

00:53:22.000 This one is a song of David.

00:53:24.000 And it says,

00:53:32.000 One of the things that's kind of telling about this psalm is how confident this psalm is.

00:53:45.000 So this psalm is very confident about the idea that there is cause and effect, and that if you do something good, God will reward you, and if you do something bad, God will punish you.

00:53:51.000 Well, as we see from everyday life, that's clearly not the case.

00:53:53.000 There are plenty of people who do bad things who are rewarded, and plenty of people who do good things who suffer.

00:54:00.000 But the idea here is that we have to accept God's justice no matter how it comes.

00:54:05.000 So David was well aware that he was a sinner. 1.00

00:54:08.000 I mean, this is one of the different... When people say Donald Trump is like King David, yeah, except for the whole repentance part.

00:54:13.000 So, you know, David was actually rather well known in the Bible for being a guy who was penitent in the face of God.

00:54:19.000 And what this psalm isn't is David saying, I'm innocent, therefore absolve me.

00:54:25.000 It's David saying, I will live with your justice no matter what it is.

00:54:28.000 I believe I'm innocent, but I'm not going to, but your justice is higher than mine.

00:54:33.000 And you may have a different standard for justice than I do.

00:54:36.000 And I think that that's why I was talking with somebody yesterday about my faith and whether my faith has ever been shaken.

00:54:41.000 And what I said is usually from what I see from other folks, faith is shaken in two particular ways.

00:54:47.000 Way number one is they see

00:54:49.000 Something bad happened to someone good, right?

00:54:51.000 They're close to somebody and something bad happens to that person.

00:54:53.000 And then they say, how could a good God allow this?

00:54:56.000 And I've never really had such a problem with that.

00:54:58.000 Maybe it's because I haven't suffered enough.

00:55:00.000 And, you know, I hope that that continues, obviously.

00:55:02.000 And I can never blame somebody who's undergone tremendous suffering and then just cannot live with the faith that God knows better than they do.

00:55:08.000 Like, I understand the emotional, the emotional draw to that.

00:55:11.000 But

00:55:12.000 It is true.

00:55:13.000 It's a basic fundamental of religion that God knows better than you do.

00:55:17.000 And so suffering I've never seen as a real barrier to faith.

00:55:20.000 Christianity in particular has never seen suffering as barrier of faith.

00:55:23.000 In fact, it's a tent pole of faith.

00:55:25.000 Christ literally is tortured and died for your sins if you're a Christian.

00:55:28.000 In Judaism, the idea is that, you know, even the greatest heroes in Judaism suffered.

00:55:32.000 Moses dies before he's allowed into the promised land.

00:55:34.000 Suffering is endemic to the human condition.

00:55:36.000 And that's something that God knows more about than you do.

00:55:39.000 The second way that people lose faith

00:55:41.000 We're good to go.

00:55:58.000 I think that you're making a mistake because your relationship with God is between you and God, and it's you on a desert island alone with God.

00:56:04.000 Because in the end, that's how we all die, right?

00:56:06.000 It's us on a desert island alone, facing down our maker.

00:56:10.000 It is also true that religious people should understand that the easiest way to drive other people away is to act like a bad person. 1.00

00:56:17.000 And I think that that's particularly true in a time when we're talking about scandals inside the Catholic Church.

00:56:20.000 But as I've said before, these scandals exist in every institution, religious and non-religious.

00:56:24.000 It's incumbent on religious people to go out of their way not to have guilt on their hands.

00:56:30.000 If God judges them to be guilty, that's one thing.

00:56:32.000 But if it's clear that you're guilty to everybody else, then you are complicit in the destruction of your own religious institutions, and you are complicit in

00:56:40.000 What I would say is evil work.

00:56:42.000 All right.

00:56:42.000 We will be back here tomorrow and we will have all the breakdowns on the news plus the mailbag.

00:56:46.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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