The Ben Shapiro Show - Dan Bongino | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 98

00:00:00.000 You can get the two biggest scandals of our time wrong in the media.

00:00:04.000 You can say Spygate was a hoax.

00:00:06.000 It wasn't.

00:00:06.000 And Collusion was real.

00:00:08.000 It wasn't.

00:00:09.000 And you get a Pulitzer Prize.

00:00:12.000 If you regularly listen to conservative podcasts like you are right now, you almost certainly know of Dan Bongino's The Dan Bongino Show.

00:00:19.000 Bongino, formerly a New York City cop and White House Secret Service agent, now hosts a successful daily show breaking down the news of the day and taking listeners places the mainstream media will not go.

00:00:29.000 One of his top focuses the last few years has been the deep state war against President Trump, through its countless attempts to produce a scandal and corruption around the presidency.

00:00:38.000 Along with frequent coverage in his show, he's published three books on the subject.

00:00:41.000 The latest is Follow the Money, the shocking deep state connections of the anti-Trump cabal, which was just released this week.

00:00:47.000 One of the biggest scandals from, as Dan puts it, swampy D.C.

00:00:50.000 elite and wealthy Democrats is Spygate.

00:00:52.000 That's a buzzword we've all heard a lot, and it can be a difficult story to unpack, but Dan makes it simple.

00:00:58.000 In this episode, you'll hear him discuss with me this and other attempts to dismantle President Trump and his administration.

00:01:04.000 We'll also discuss the Defund the Police movement from Dan's perspective as an officer in New York City when those streets were cleaned up, and the differences between serving as a Secret Service agent in the Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations.

00:01:19.000 Hey, hey, and welcome to DNews.

00:01:26.000 This is the Ben Shapiro Show Sunday special, this week featuring a very special guest, Dan Bongino.

00:01:31.000 Just a reminder, we'll be doing some bonus questions at the end with Dan.

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00:01:43.000 Dan, thanks so much for stopping by.

00:01:45.000 You know, what a pleasure.

00:01:46.000 It's been so long.

00:01:47.000 I'm always looking at you at the top of the charts.

00:01:49.000 We see you.

00:01:50.000 And then I look down there, and I'm like, uh-oh, he's coming.

00:01:51.000 He's coming for me.

00:01:52.000 You have a great show.

00:01:54.000 It's great to finally see.

00:01:54.000 We always kind of cross paths, but this should be an interesting conversation.

00:01:58.000 Absolutely.

00:01:58.000 So let's jump right in to the Trump issue.

00:02:01.000 So a lot of folks in the media, I think, kind of get you wrong as just the Trump guy, because you've obviously been very pro-President Trump during his tenure.

00:02:07.000 But it took you a while to get there.

00:02:09.000 You weren't originally a Trump guy.

00:02:10.000 So tell me about sort of the evolution from where you were on Trump to where you are on Trump now.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, it's fascinating.

00:02:16.000 I'd endorsed Ted Cruz and I remember calling around at the time to people trying to get them on board, law enforcement people and other folks with prominent public profiles saying, hey, you know, Ted's our guy.

00:02:26.000 I still like Ted Cruz a lot, obviously.

00:02:28.000 And I made one specific call to someone, let's say in the industry, who you know, but shall remain nameless for the purpose of this interview.

00:02:35.000 And she said to me, I'm all about Trump.

00:02:37.000 And I was stunned because this is a diehard conservative.

00:02:40.000 And I said, really?

00:02:41.000 I said, I don't know.

00:02:42.000 I don't see it.

00:02:43.000 You know, the Democrat history and all that other stuff.

00:02:45.000 She said, listen to me.

00:02:47.000 She said, this guy gets it.

00:02:48.000 He understands.

00:02:49.000 She said, I think the word was he can be transactional at times, but she made a great point to me.

00:02:54.000 She said, you know, do you want a showman?

00:02:57.000 And a guy who plays conservative and has all these people convinced and gets in there and doesn't do anything conservative, or a guy who gets it that conservatives were his way to the White House, and understands that conservatism is actually a path forward.

00:03:10.000 Maybe it wasn't in his heart the entire time, but he's actually going to do conservative stuff.

00:03:14.000 And I said, you know, let me check this guy out.

00:03:16.000 And obviously, after he went, you know, and won the primary, you know, I was all in.

00:03:20.000 I mean, the options there were President Trump or Hillary Clinton.

00:03:23.000 And as the presidency wore on, I think the real deal-sealer for me was the Spygate scandal, which I just felt like, why do they see this guy as such a threat?

00:03:33.000 I mean, it really, I think, was the biggest scandal of our time.

00:03:35.000 It really sold me on that this guy is an existential threat to everything I found wrong with the proverbial swamp there.

00:03:42.000 So let's talk about Spygate, because you were on that super early.

00:03:44.000 So you were the main, maybe, progenitor of a lot of the information that was coming out.

00:03:49.000 And I'll be honest with you, I was kind of following it tangentially, because I figured, okay, the information's going to come out at a certain point.

00:03:54.000 I don't know what I don't know.

00:03:55.000 I'm willing to kind of see where this leads.

00:03:57.000 And, you know, I have a certain baseline faith in law enforcement.

00:04:00.000 They weren't going to do what they obviously did.

00:04:02.000 But you never really had that sort of faith in the system that they weren't going to do what they apparently did.

00:04:07.000 So what led you originally to think, OK, this is like an actual scandal?

00:04:12.000 Maybe for folks who don't understand, you can actually walk people through what Spygate constitutes, because it becomes sort of just this meme or slogan the left throws out there whenever they wish to dismiss something, sort of like the Benghazi across deck.

00:04:22.000 So what exactly is Spygate and why should Americans care?

00:04:24.000 I'm glad you started the question that way, because my wife's in the studio with me here.

00:04:28.000 But, you know, I like your show.

00:04:29.000 I enjoy your content.

00:04:30.000 I couldn't believe early on you were a skeptic.

00:04:34.000 And I was a skeptic, too.

00:04:36.000 I was a Spygate skeptic.

00:04:37.000 I know that sounds weird because, you know, it doesn't seem like you jumped right in, but I didn't.

00:04:41.000 I haven't been a former Secret Service agent.

00:04:43.000 I thought the whole case was BS, too.

00:04:45.000 I said to myself, there's no way this could have happened.

00:04:47.000 There were guardrails set up for this kind of stuff.

00:04:50.000 I said this could not have... I had the same skepticism you did.

00:04:53.000 We were in a hotel, my wife and I, in Dallas for doing another job out there, and I get a call from a source.

00:04:59.000 He had tried to contact me multiple times, and honestly I thought he was just being hyperbolic, and he had insisted to me, Dan, you don't understand.

00:05:07.000 The President of the United States and his campaign were spied on by insiders at the FBI who had no legal basis whatsoever to do it.

00:05:16.000 The story sounded so ridiculous, but I figured let me just take his call finally.

00:05:20.000 I spent about a half an hour on the phone.

00:05:22.000 He walks me through everything, and the essence of it is very simple.

00:05:25.000 You know, you can get lost in the wonkery, but it's really no more difficult than this.

00:05:29.000 They had a political beef with the soon-to-be president of the United States at the time, candidate Trump.

00:05:34.000 They had no legal mechanism in the United States to spy on him.

00:05:39.000 So they fabricated it using a bunch of freelancers and former intel people who just made up stories, which then hijacked the Justice Department into getting a FISA warrant.

00:05:49.000 They spied on them.

00:05:50.000 The story's no more complicated than that.

00:05:52.000 Now there's other foreign aspects to it and how they did it and the wonkery of it's quite interesting, but I, like you, I was a skeptic too.

00:06:00.000 I know you, you know, you're a patriot like me.

00:06:02.000 You want to believe, come on, It's not a third world republic, it's the United States.

00:06:06.000 But the guy was so convincing on the phone, and as I dug in with more sources, as this guy's telling me the truth.

00:06:12.000 And that's, if you go back and read the original book I wrote on it, Spygate, which I wrote three and a half years ago, Read it.

00:06:19.000 Everything's in there.

00:06:20.000 Ukraine, what happened.

00:06:21.000 I mean, there's nothing new.

00:06:22.000 It could have been written yesterday.

00:06:24.000 And that was all, most of it was from that original source.

00:06:26.000 What was amazing about it is that, as you say, I was kind of slow on the uptake here because I was just throughout thinking, this can't be real.

00:06:34.000 And at the very least, that maybe this was you know, predicated on legitimate suspicion, and then it just got to be confirmation bias.

00:06:41.000 That at a certain point, it got to be, well, it's got to be true because I believe it has to be true, and therefore if I stretch the rules here, if I stretch the rules there, eventually it will be found to be true. Do you think that it was predicated on the basis that people actually knew nothing was going on and that they went forward with it anyway, or was it that they saw kind of some smoke, they saw Carter Page, who there had been suspicions about There was a FISA warrant against him in 2014.

00:07:02.000 And they saw George Papadopoulos, and they had suspicions about him.

00:07:05.000 And they sort of whipped themselves into a frenzy to the point where they were willing to, at the very least, bend the rules in order to go after people who are tangentially associated with the Trump campaign.

00:07:13.000 I think it's all of that.

00:07:15.000 How did it start?

00:07:16.000 Well, it started from just pure political interest.

00:07:19.000 They needed an October, November surprise in the 2016 election.

00:07:23.000 And remember, they'd already tried this on McCain.

00:07:25.000 As a matter of fact, my second book on the topic, Exonerated, I have a whole chapter on this.

00:07:30.000 This, the Russians are behind this campaign, is not new. 0.55

00:07:33.000 They had tried it against McCain.

00:07:35.000 Now, most people don't remember that, and I always say to people, the reason you don't remember that is because who was in office when McCain was running?

00:07:41.000 And the answer is George W. Bush.

00:07:42.000 So he didn't let the CIA and FBI get hijacked into this whole ridiculous Spygate scandal.

00:07:48.000 It stopped. 0.83

00:07:49.000 But if you go back and look at the articles about McCain, if you Google McCain Russians, you'll see it's the exact same people saying, John McCain, he's corrupted.

00:07:57.000 Look, he's got these lobbyists and they work with Russians.

00:07:59.000 They tried it, it went nowhere.

00:08:00.000 So the stories out there, they have the template.

00:08:03.000 And then you have, you mix that, so you have the story there, okay?

00:08:06.000 Part number two is you have very entrepreneurial people looking to make money.

00:08:09.000 Fusion GPS and Glenn Simpson.

00:08:11.000 Glenn Simpson has this pre-packaged Russian narrative.

00:08:14.000 There is a 2007, not 2017, 2007 Wall Street Journal article called Soviets try to woo Washington or something like that.

00:08:23.000 By Glenn Simpson and his wife now, Mary Jacoby.

00:08:26.000 You read that 2007 article.

00:08:28.000 Glenn Simpson, of course, has fusion GPS.

00:08:30.000 Hired by Hillary Clinton later on.

00:08:33.000 It reads like the dossier.

00:08:35.000 It's the exact same players.

00:08:37.000 Manafort, Alperovitch, they're all in that same article.

00:08:42.000 So now you have a political campaign looking for disinformation, a template that's been tried before.

00:08:47.000 Hey, let's blame it on the Russians like we did with McCain.

00:08:49.000 You have an Obama administration perfectly willing to play along.

00:08:52.000 You have a former reporter, Simpson, who's already got the players lined up.

00:08:56.000 Manafort's in that 2007 article.

00:08:58.000 Manafort gets hired by the Trump team and you have this witch's brew, this perfect storm where they say, hey, if we can slap this fake information, because Simpson can't pitch it, because he's a former reporter, he's being paid by Hillary.

00:09:10.000 The FBI is not going to believe that.

00:09:11.000 They needed a patina. 0.69

00:09:13.000 They needed a face.

00:09:14.000 And someone said, I've got a bright idea here.

00:09:17.000 We got this former Russia desk guy at MI6, Christopher Steele.

00:09:21.000 Perfect!

00:09:22.000 Let's say he said it.

00:09:23.000 Steele didn't say any of that.

00:09:25.000 The Steele dossier is a fabrication.

00:09:27.000 It's the Steele-Halper Simpson dossier.

00:09:29.000 They slapped it on him and all of a sudden you had a made-to-order scandal right there.

00:09:35.000 So when you ask what was the motivation, the answer is some were mercenary, some it was money, some it was political, but it all came to this kind of tip of the spear, that arrow of Spygate.

00:09:48.000 And really, just like I said, a witch's brew of disasters that all happened at the same time.

00:09:51.000 So in a second, I want to ask you about the motivations of the people who are inside the government, because it makes sense when you're talking about, you know, motivated political actors outside the government who want to win an election.

00:09:59.000 But the hijacking of the governmental, you know, auspices is really the big scandal here, and I want to ask you about that in just one second.

00:09:59.000 Sure.

00:10:06.000 First, let's be real about this.

00:10:07.000 You've got a lot of information online, and lots of people would love to have that information, particularly if they are politically motivated.

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00:11:13.000 Let's talk about the government being hijacked to this particular cause.

00:11:18.000 So, obviously, you see politically motivated players, the Peter Strucks and the Lisa Pages, and you see James Comey, who just looks like a radical incompetent throughout this entire process.

00:11:27.000 How many of those people knew that this was all empty, and how many of these people were just convinced that because, again, there was some smoke, I mean, to pretend that there was no smoke is, I think, kind of silly.

00:11:37.000 I mean, Manafort is obviously a character with some shady ties.

00:11:41.000 Yeah, and I've never defended him in my book.

00:11:43.000 Yeah.

00:11:44.000 I'm talking about metaphor, too. 0.91

00:11:46.000 Let's not pretend like this is all on the up-and-up here, either, because then we look like buffoons. 0.51

00:11:49.000 Right, exactly.

00:11:50.000 The only big revelation that really came forth through the entire investigation was the Trump Tower meeting in June, where it appeared that Donald Trump Jr.

00:11:58.000 was willing to hear overtures from people who are connected to the Russian government about dirt they might have on Hillary, which, again, is not actually illegal.

00:12:06.000 Information coming in and listening to information is not, in fact, illegal.

00:12:09.000 It may be frowned upon, but it's not illegal.

00:12:12.000 Let's say that you're a member of the FBI or the CIA and you have this information funneled to you. 0.99

00:12:16.000 Did they know from the outset that it was all bullshit? 0.99

00:12:18.000 Yes. 1.00

00:12:19.000 A hundred percent.

00:12:21.000 So you have these guys, right, who are running this. 0.96

00:12:23.000 One, the FBI story that it started July 31st of 2016 is total garbage.

00:12:27.000 We can just throw that out right now.

00:12:29.000 The FBI gets the dossier information in the New York field office way before July 31st, 2016.

00:12:35.000 We know that.

00:12:35.000 Lisa Page has already admitted to that on the record.

00:12:38.000 So have others.

00:12:39.000 So they get this dossier information.

00:12:41.000 The dossier is a total complete fabrication.

00:12:44.000 Now, the FBI has this Woods file.

00:12:46.000 Well, you know as a lawyer that, you know, you don't ask a question in court you don't know the answer to, right?

00:12:50.000 They ask questions they didn't know the answer to and they never bothered to verify the answers afterwards.

00:12:54.000 So you have this Woods file and things that came up like, hey listen, he was in Russia with these prostitutes, the famous, you know, peepee hoax as I call it. 0.62

00:13:02.000 The story was so outrageous that you would think they'd, you know, go to the hotel, try to find tapes or something. 0.89

00:13:08.000 It was so ridiculous they made no efforts.

00:13:10.000 So they knew from the start that I'll even be nice to them, which they weren't to us, of course. 0.85

00:13:14.000 Even Peter Stroke today on Twitter is like taking shots at everyone, which is bizarre.

00:13:18.000 You'd think he'd kind of like slither away.

00:13:20.000 But even being nice, say you thought there was a scintilla of credibility to this, right?

00:13:26.000 Within a week or two, you could have figured out the story was entirely BS.

00:13:31.000 I mean, we had the Michael Cohen going to Prague story, totally made up.

00:13:34.000 Now, again, even giving them a pass, say through the summer of 2016, they're trying to verify it.

00:13:40.000 But say they were.

00:13:40.000 They weren't.

00:13:41.000 I'm trying to be generous here.

00:13:43.000 They're absolutely no later than January of 2017.

00:13:47.000 They know this case to be a total fabrication.

00:13:50.000 Because Steele, who's attributed all the information in these phony dossiers to a guy named Shedonchenko, his primary source, The FBI interviews Danchenko in January of 2017.

00:14:03.000 Danchenko says, I didn't say that.

00:14:06.000 He says, I didn't say that, number one.

00:14:08.000 What he did say, I said, is just bar talk and rumor.

00:14:11.000 And third, this stuff sounds like kind of hyperbolic nonsense to me.

00:14:15.000 I don't want anything to do with it.

00:14:17.000 The source totally walks away from it.

00:14:20.000 They have nothing, Ben, zero.

00:14:21.000 They don't have one verified fact other than Carter Page traveled to Moscow.

00:14:25.000 Nothing.

00:14:26.000 I mean, you know how evidence works?

00:14:27.000 There is a probable cause standard.

00:14:30.000 It's not 9 out of 10.

00:14:31.000 If probable cause is a 10, and reasonable suspicion is a 5, you need 10 to get a warrant.

00:14:37.000 You need probable cause.

00:14:38.000 You can't say, oh, I have 9.6.

00:14:39.000 You understand they had zero.

00:14:41.000 They had nothing!

00:14:42.000 Carter Page's trip to Moscow was evidence of nothing!

00:14:45.000 It's not... I've been to Moscow.

00:14:47.000 Twice! 0.99

00:14:48.000 It's not... My producer did.

00:14:51.000 He adopted a sign from Moscow.

00:14:52.000 Is he under investigation?

00:14:54.000 They know no later than January of 2017 the case is a total fraud.

00:14:58.000 But just to make things worse...

00:15:00.000 I think Don Jr., having a decent relationship with him now, we'd say, listen, all right, that meeting was a bad idea.

00:15:06.000 Probably shouldn't have done it.

00:15:06.000 I don't think anybody's going to say, oh, hey, great idea, right?

00:15:09.000 But here's the catch about even the infamous Trump Tower meeting with Don Jr.

00:15:13.000 The emails were bad, but he released them, which we can't say for Hillary.

00:15:16.000 I don't want to play whataboutism, but he released them.

00:15:19.000 Obviously had nothing to hide.

00:15:19.000 He said, here, look at them.

00:15:21.000 Might have been a bad idea, but here's my email transactions about that meeting.

00:15:24.000 And what's fascinating is they interviewed the translator at the meeting, this guy, Samit Shornoff.

00:15:30.000 Samat Chornoff has no dog in this fight at all.

00:15:32.000 He's a translator.

00:15:33.000 Matter of fact, he tells the FBI during the interview, I don't even like Don Jr.

00:15:37.000 I can't stand the guy.

00:15:38.000 But he says everything he said about that meeting is factually correct.

00:15:43.000 This is just months after the January meeting with Danchenko.

00:15:47.000 So they know, absolutely no later than January, February, March of 2017, the whole thing's fake and they renew the FISA three more times anyway.

00:15:56.000 What are their motivations?

00:15:57.000 There are a lot.

00:15:58.000 I mean, that was the original question.

00:15:59.000 Not to go on too long, but Comey, I think, is just trying to keep his job as FBI director.

00:16:04.000 Comey's shown himself to be, again, the mercenary in the deal.

00:16:07.000 He's almost no different than Manafort, who damaged the Trump campaign by joining with all this baggage.

00:16:11.000 Comey damaged the entire FBI by taking the director spot with all his egomaniacal, almost sociopathic baggage.

00:16:19.000 But Brennan's motivations are different.

00:16:21.000 Not to get off on a tangent with Mike Flynn, but Flynn's a part of this whole process as well.

00:16:26.000 And Flynn had been almost a sworn enemy of the swampy part of the intelligence community for years.

00:16:32.000 Even Stanley McChrystal had praised him, saying, hey, this guy's a great intel officer.

00:16:36.000 But in his intel work, he had attacked some of the battlefield intel when Flynn was a three-star general, saying, hey, you're getting our guys killed.

00:16:43.000 You're not going in these communities and talking.

00:16:45.000 You're doing all this stuff from, you know, a base in Arlington.

00:16:48.000 They hated him for it.

00:16:50.000 So Flynn was public enemy number one.

00:16:52.000 So when you ask about the motivations for Brennan and others, I believe it was to make sure that Mike Flynn was never to take a position of authority in the Trump administration, because the dirty laundry was definitely going to start to stink really bad when he brought it out.

00:17:07.000 So how high up did this go?

00:17:08.000 I mean, the contention on behalf of the Obama administration is that this was relegated to Comey and the intelligence portions of the government, that Biden and Obama really were not in on it, that if they were that it was really more tangential in nature.

00:17:22.000 You've heard sort of a split story from Sally Yates, who is the acting deputy attorney general at the time.

00:17:27.000 She said she was sort of surprised that Obama was in on it and kind of knew about it.

00:17:30.000 So how high did this go?

00:17:32.000 This went to the top, I have no doubt.

00:17:33.000 Matter of fact, John Brennan right now is starting to panic.

00:17:36.000 Brennan's being interviewed by Dorham, and a lot of people missed it, but I actually covered it on my show today.

00:17:41.000 He writes an op-ed just a few days ago, I think it was August 30th or so.

00:17:45.000 He writes an op-ed in the Washington Post, John Brennan, and halfway down through the op-ed...

00:17:49.000 He drops a bombshell that, you know, unsurprisingly was ignored by everyone in the media, that he briefed Obama on the Russia information.

00:17:57.000 Remember, the whole thing's a hoax.

00:17:58.000 The Russia thing is a hoax. 0.79

00:18:00.000 There is no Russia information.

00:18:01.000 I need everyone to understand.

00:18:02.000 There is not a scintilla of evidence that the Russians wanted to help Donald Trump.

00:18:07.000 None.

00:18:07.000 It's all made up.

00:18:08.000 That they interfere in our elections is a fact.

00:18:10.000 They always do that.

00:18:11.000 To help Trump is made up.

00:18:13.000 He drops this bombshell in the Washington Post op-ed where he says, oh, I briefed Obama on it July 28th.

00:18:19.000 Really?

00:18:20.000 As days before it was even opened at the FBI.

00:18:23.000 Nobody picked this story up.

00:18:24.000 Now that's fascinating and I think he's doing it because Brennan knows he's finished right now.

00:18:29.000 Brennan knows he's the source of a lot of these leaks or believed to be.

00:18:32.000 These felony leaks.

00:18:33.000 So Brennan could be in a lot of legal trouble if he is in fact found to be the source.

00:18:37.000 He's taken the whole place down with him.

00:18:39.000 He's not going down alone.

00:18:40.000 And I think this is the first crack in the dam.

00:18:42.000 But to answer your question about how high it goes, I have zero doubt Zero, that it goes right to the top at Obama.

00:18:48.000 And obviously we have now the July 28th briefing, before the FBI even opens the case.

00:18:53.000 That's Brennan's words, not mine.

00:18:55.000 So we know that happened.

00:18:56.000 There's no reason for him to lie about that.

00:18:57.000 We have these infamous texts where Stroke and Page, while they're in the context of a larger communication about this whole scandal, they say the White House is running this.

00:19:07.000 Now, the leftists panicked over that tweet, uh, text, excuse me, and they said, oh no, no, they're talking about a China thing. 0.90

00:19:14.000 That's totally ridiculous. 0.98

00:19:15.000 Look at the, it's nonsense. 0.99

00:19:17.000 Look at the context.

00:19:18.000 There's another one, another text.

00:19:20.000 I believe it's in November.

00:19:21.000 The POTUS, of course an acronym, President of the United States, Obama at the time.

00:19:24.000 The POTUS wants to know everything we're doing.

00:19:26.000 Again, what are they talking about?

00:19:27.000 They're not talking about, you know, Lego Miego.

00:19:30.000 They're talking about Spygate.

00:19:31.000 POTUS wants to know everything we're doing.

00:19:33.000 But there's another one.

00:19:34.000 It gets even worse.

00:19:35.000 So now you have three data points, right?

00:19:37.000 That the White House was thoroughly involved in this.

00:19:39.000 There's an even worse email between Andy McCabe and Lisa Page.

00:19:43.000 It's right around that November time block there to October, November.

00:19:47.000 And McCabe, the deputy director of the FBI, and his lawyer there, Lisa Page, his lead lawyer, they're emailing each other about a presentation about the case they're going to do with the White House.

00:19:58.000 And they're talking about the CIA and the number two, a guy named Cohen, and they say in the email, hey, we really need to go in there and have our, like, one voice.

00:20:06.000 In other words, like, the president must have been asking questions about what the CIA and the FBI were doing and they're confused.

00:20:12.000 So, you know, you have another one, the obvious Susan Rice email, you know, the buy the book, which always reminds me, have you ever seen that movie G.I.

00:20:19.000 Jane?

00:20:19.000 It's one of the worst movies ever done.

00:20:21.000 Don't waste your time.

00:20:22.000 But there is one good line in it, you know, Demi Moore is trying to be a Navy SEAL and she walks in and she wants to make a statement.

00:20:27.000 And she says, I don't want to make a statement, but...

00:20:29.000 So the guy comes back and says, people who don't want to make statements don't make statements about not making statements.

00:20:35.000 So that's what that email was.

00:20:36.000 People who want to make a statement would say, hey, let's do everything by the book.

00:20:39.000 You just do it by the book.

00:20:40.000 You don't write an email.

00:20:41.000 Not on the last day, like right as you're about to leave.

00:20:42.000 Right as you're about to leave.

00:20:43.000 It was all by the book, guys.

00:20:43.000 All by the book.

00:20:44.000 And you know, the CC myself, just to make sure I have this for the record.

00:20:47.000 So yes, Obama was intimately involved.

00:20:50.000 That is going to be the biggest part of this scandal.

00:20:52.000 He knew.

00:20:53.000 I believe he marshaled it in conjunction with Brennan. 0.99

00:20:55.000 And I believe Comey was just really too dumb to figure it out. 0.98

00:20:58.000 I mean, this whole thing obviously is an incredibly large scandal. 0.98

00:21:01.000 I mean, the idea of an outgoing administration spying on a candidate of the opposite party, if you're talking about George W. Bush doing this in 2008 to Barack Obama, it's a world-breaking scandal.

00:21:11.000 It happened to Donald Trump, so of course the media have completely downplayed it or suggested that it was not really a big deal, it was all done in good faith.

00:21:18.000 So, Do you think that the American people care about this?

00:21:21.000 Do you think this is an election issue?

00:21:22.000 Because obviously Trump hasn't taken it on too much, and it may be too complicated for people to follow.

00:21:28.000 The media obviously have very little interest in laying it out.

00:21:31.000 You know, what I want and what I think are two different things.

00:21:33.000 I would hope the American people largely would care.

00:21:38.000 It is only the biggest political scandal of our time, and it's not that I don't have credibility on this either.

00:21:42.000 I mean, when I ran for office myself, I ran against the Patriot Act, which was signed by George W. Bush.

00:21:47.000 I thought it was a bad idea.

00:21:49.000 I thought the roving wiretaps were a bad idea.

00:21:51.000 I thought maybe outside of the lone wolf provisions, the business records provision was a bad idea.

00:21:57.000 I didn't care that George W. Bush signed it.

00:21:59.000 I'm actually concerned with, you know, little things like liberty and freedom that seem to have gone by the wayside.

00:22:05.000 So I did have credibility on this.

00:22:07.000 But I read an interesting tweet before I came over this morning, I was on the plane flying out here, and there's a woman on the ground, she writes for a leftist outlet, but she's on the ground in Wisconsin, and she tweeted out this thread, and the gist of it, which was, you know, really interesting, she said, I've spoken to every single person I can for the last four days in Kenosha, numbering in the hundreds.

00:22:24.000 She goes, all you DC bubble dwellers talking about your politics, she said, these people give negative S-words about it.

00:22:32.000 They don't care.

00:22:33.000 They care about their own legitimate kitchen table stuff in their kitchen, which is even odd because when we talk about kitchen table issues, you and I are talking about different stuff.

00:22:41.000 They're talking about their actual kitchen, like what matters to them on the ground in their neighborhood.

00:22:46.000 And she said, I'm warning you, you guys are setting yourselves up for another Trump win here because you're totally out of touch.

00:22:51.000 And that's why I'd answer your question.

00:22:53.000 I don't really think the Spygate story resonates because for some, Especially people like me who find it interesting because of my law enforcement background, the wonkery of it is overwhelming.

00:23:02.000 You know, you start talking about FISA, how it works, the jurisdictions, overseas, the GCHQ and the Brits being involved, and people, even my wife, who nobody knows it better than her, she produces my show with me.

00:23:13.000 Sometimes I'll do a segment on the show and she's like, my head's spinning right now.

00:23:17.000 It's complex.

00:23:18.000 And that's why when you asked me in the beginning, I tried to boil it down to a very simple thing.

00:23:22.000 The President of the United States and a candidate was spied on.

00:23:24.000 I really hope it aggravates people, Sadly, I'm not optimistic that it'll motivate anyone to vote for anything.

00:23:30.000 I think you're locked in on either side now.

00:23:32.000 So looking at the election, how do you ballpark that?

00:23:35.000 So I've been following it the same way you have been.

00:23:38.000 And I always thought from the outset that Trump was a bit of an underdog for re-election simply because George W. Bush lost the popular vote by 500,000 in 2000, and then he had to win an additional 10 million votes in order to win in 2004 in a fairly close election with John Kerry.

00:23:51.000 Trump lost the popular vote by 2.5 million, and he would have to pick up presumably somewhere between 12 and 14 million new votes in order to make up that lost ground.

00:23:59.000 That he has, you know, he obviously broke Hillary Clinton's blue wall, It was a, I mean, really a through the needle thing, the eye of the needle sort of thing.

00:24:08.000 80,000 combined votes in three states.

00:24:09.000 And the map has expanded pretty wildly for Democrats given 2018.

00:24:12.000 And so I always thought that he was a bit of an underdog.

00:24:15.000 I thought that, you know, maybe before the COVID pandemic, I thought that it was basically 50-50.

00:24:21.000 After the COVID pandemic, I thought it was about 65-35 for Biden.

00:24:23.000 I'm now thinking it's more like 55-45 for Biden, given the violence in the streets and the fact that Joe Biden may not be alive.

00:24:29.000 Well, how do you ballpark the election?

00:24:31.000 Interesting.

00:24:32.000 I would have told you two, three months ago, I would have gone into where I would have said 70-30 Biden, because I thought it was just overwhelming.

00:24:38.000 I mean, this no one had been forced to deal with this just meeting of just almost apocalyptic type events at the same time, this massive recession we've never seen.

00:24:48.000 I mean, who talking about 20 percent GDP drops?

00:24:51.000 You would have laughed at a number like, come on, stop. 0.97

00:24:52.000 That's ridiculous. 0.84

00:24:53.000 Never going to happen in our lifetime. 0.82

00:24:55.000 But now I'd say almost 55-45 Trump.

00:24:59.000 And I'll give you the pros and the cons.

00:25:01.000 Like you, I'm a numbers guy, right?

00:25:02.000 So 3 million Obama voters didn't show up in the last 2016 election.

00:25:06.000 They'll be here now.

00:25:07.000 I mean, I think that's obvious.

00:25:08.000 They're not voting for Biden.

00:25:09.000 They're voting against Trump.

00:25:10.000 And anyone who tells you anger is not a motivator is the only motivator. 0.99

00:25:14.000 It's totally full of crap, like, has never run for office. 0.99

00:25:17.000 You know, I've run three times, sadly unsuccessfully, but, you know, that's total nonsense. 1.00

00:25:22.000 When you knock on doors and talk to people, they'll vote just because they hate another guy.

00:25:26.000 So those three million Obama voters will be there, and obviously we lost the popular vote, you know, pretty handily.

00:25:31.000 So, that's kind of the downside to it.

00:25:34.000 The upside, some anecdotal, some statistical. 0.90

00:25:37.000 If the Democrats lose a significant swath of the black vote, so President Trump got 8% of the black vote, if he scores 12, I mean, let's get out of the area of ridiculous. 0.77

00:25:46.000 I've heard people, he's gonna get 40%! 0.91

00:25:47.000 He's not gonna get 40%!

00:25:49.000 Okay, stop, please stop the insanity, like Susie Powder. 0.80

00:25:52.000 He doesn't need to get 40%, number one.

00:25:55.000 But if he gets, say, 12 to 15%, which is in the realm of possibility, I'd say at the high end, 15%.

00:26:04.000 There's no mathematical path to them in states like Pennsylvania with Philadelphia, Michigan with Detroit.

00:26:10.000 He's not going to win Maryland, but Maryland could even be a five or six point race.

00:26:15.000 So that's the pro.

00:26:17.000 Another pro, which is anecdotal granted, and anecdotes, anyone can find an anecdote.

00:26:22.000 But Ben, people in my own family circle, who shall remain nameless, who listen to your show, but they don't listen to mine, they listen to your show, right?

00:26:29.000 They're like, oh, you have a show?

00:26:31.000 I'm like, you're in my family.

00:26:32.000 You listen to Shapiro?

00:26:34.000 What are you doing?

00:26:34.000 You gotta listen to my show, too.

00:26:36.000 But people in my family, you may have convinced them.

00:26:38.000 And you're not even really what we'd consider a pro-like, real MAGA guy.

00:26:42.000 They love you.

00:26:42.000 They're voting for Trump because they've seen the power of ideas when expressed like you can.

00:26:46.000 They've come out, die hard, die hard, but I thought to be liberals.

00:26:50.000 And my father's like, nah, she's voting for Trump.

00:26:53.000 What? 0.99

00:26:53.000 Are you crazy? 0.99

00:26:54.000 Like, that's not even... My brother, he doesn't care if I mention it. 0.99

00:26:57.000 Union electrician in New York.

00:26:59.000 Never voted for a Republican.

00:27:00.000 It's like heresy.

00:27:01.000 You could be branded with the... You could be a Hester Prynne. 0.90

00:27:04.000 You get the scarlet letter on your forehead.

00:27:06.000 My brother called me before the last election.

00:27:08.000 And he's like, I'm voting for Trump.

00:27:10.000 I said, you're doing what?

00:27:11.000 I was astonished, because I was still on board for Cruz.

00:27:14.000 He's like, the union loves this guy.

00:27:15.000 He's like, I got to tell you, Dan, about 85% of them love Trump.

00:27:19.000 These are constituencies, and this is why I think the polling, candidly, I think you can scrap it.

00:27:23.000 I almost think it's a useless data point at this point.

00:27:26.000 Because when you look at that, constituencies, they've had a really tough time measuring in the past with Republican support, and you marry it up with the fact That we've never had such white working class support in our lives.

00:27:39.000 We've always had, you know, white college educated folks as well.

00:27:42.000 So you get an increased minority vote, you get union voters, you get police officers in droves, probably going to win the military vote.

00:27:48.000 Combine that with white working class voters that we've, in numbers we've never seen before.

00:27:53.000 And right now, I think if the economy holds, I think it's 55-45 Trump.

00:27:57.000 But, you know, I predicted the last win.

00:28:00.000 Yeah.

00:28:01.000 I certainly didn't.

00:28:02.000 I lost money on the last election.

00:28:04.000 I figured if it's going to be a bad election for Republicans, I might as well make a little bit of money.

00:28:07.000 So it's a good election for Republicans.

00:28:08.000 You ever see CRTV or the Blade Dan Horowitz?

00:28:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:11.000 Dan's a good guy.

00:28:12.000 So Dan and I, on election night, we're there.

00:28:14.000 Dan and I, like, almost, we were screaming at each other.

00:28:16.000 Dan's like, he's going to lose!

00:28:18.000 We're going to lose 48 states!

00:28:19.000 This is going to be a mess!

00:28:20.000 I said, Dan, I had run in that cycle.

00:28:22.000 I lost the primary.

00:28:24.000 I said, Dan, I knocked on doors in Florida.

00:28:27.000 I predicted every state on my podcast the night before.

00:28:30.000 It's still on SoundCloud because I knew it.

00:28:33.000 Quick, one more quick ad.

00:28:34.000 This is another one of those anecdotal stories.

00:28:35.000 This is how I knew he was going to win.

00:28:36.000 I'm knocking on doors in Florida, District 19.

00:28:38.000 You get a walk list of Republican voters for a primary.

00:28:42.000 So I got this walk list and I'm calling up my campaign manager because I'm walking around Cape Coral with all these canals.

00:28:47.000 So you have to keep getting back in your car. 0.98

00:28:48.000 You don't want to skip a house or else you're going to get in your car, which is a pain in the butt. 0.97

00:28:52.000 I'd see a Trump sign.

00:28:53.000 Not on the list!

00:28:55.000 So I call Marie, I go, why are you wasting my time?

00:28:57.000 You're missing all the, what kind of data do you have? 0.99

00:28:59.000 This is crap! 0.99

00:29:00.000 You're making me walk past all these Trump houses. 1.00

00:29:01.000 She goes, Dan, they don't vote.

00:29:03.000 She said, my data is good, they don't vote.

00:29:04.000 She goes, do a test, go knock on the doors. 0.96

00:29:07.000 So I did.

00:29:08.000 Trump signs.

00:29:09.000 You know what?

00:29:09.000 She was right.

00:29:10.000 Probably four out of ten of them had never registered to vote in their lives.

00:29:13.000 But they were like, I'm voting now.

00:29:15.000 And I said to her, Maria, this guy's going to win Florida. 0.67

00:29:17.000 He called Florida like that.

00:29:19.000 Polls went down at nine in the panhandle.

00:29:21.000 Race was over.

00:29:22.000 So in a second, I want to ask you about how you think the election is going to shake out just in terms of the logistics of it, because that obviously has become a major mess.

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00:30:46.000 Okay, so let's talk about how the election shakes out.

00:30:49.000 I tend to agree with you.

00:30:50.000 The reason I put it at 55-45 Biden is just because there's so many states that are up for play that there would have to be a massive statistical error in order for Trump to really be up in all these states where the polls say he's down.

00:30:59.000 But that could happen, and this is why I've ballparked it this way, because I agree with you.

00:31:03.000 I think that he has not performed well in the suburbs in 2018.

00:31:07.000 He's lost a lot of urban areas.

00:31:08.000 There could be massive rural turnout, particularly among first-time voters.

00:31:11.000 And this was actually the Obama model.

00:31:12.000 In 2012, he didn't win as many votes as he did in 2008, and he won again.

00:31:16.000 But the reason he did is because he got first-time black voters to show up at the polls, and they had not been polled.

00:31:21.000 And so a lot of the polls were wrong.

00:31:22.000 And you could certainly see the same thing from Trump.

00:31:24.000 We could see voters in places like Kenosha who simply have not voted in the past who are now motivated to go out and vote because of everything that is going on.

00:31:31.000 One of the things that the Democrats are doing and that the media are doing is this sort of tacit threat thing where if Trump wins, they're basically suggesting that the world will burn down.

00:31:40.000 And then as part of that tacit threat, they're actually effectuating that threat in major cities across the country right now.

00:31:44.000 right now that because Trump is president, we're gonna go on riot.

00:31:46.000 And Joe Biden has explicitly said that if he's president, there won't be any more riots, which is a fairly obvious blackmail tactic, given the fact that we may not actually know who won the night of the election.

00:31:57.000 I mean, it may be that we get the immediate results from the tabulated voting places, but the mail-in ballots may take a week to count.

00:32:05.000 What do you think are the prospects of serious conflict after this election?

00:32:08.000 I'm terrified.

00:32:10.000 You know, I've said on my show repeatedly, and I'll continue to say, you know, once, I used to host a radio show in DC.

00:32:18.000 as a sub once in a while, and I'll never forget this call.

00:32:21.000 I was in on the weekend.

00:32:22.000 Guy calls in, and just really upset at the whole process.

00:32:26.000 He told me he was a conservative, but he's like, listen, he said something to the effect of, you know, I'm ready to go get my gun.

00:32:31.000 And, you know, you're on in the open air, and you're like, oh gosh.

00:32:34.000 So instead of just immediately hanging up and trying to kind of diffuse this situation on the air, I said to him, I said, you know, do you know who your local state rep is?

00:32:44.000 And he said, no.

00:32:45.000 And I said, do you know who your congressman is?

00:32:47.000 And he said, no.

00:32:50.000 I said, I don't know how to rub it in, but do you know who your state senator is?

00:32:53.000 I said, so just to be clear, you're ready to go get your gun, but you don't even know who, like it didn't, and I wasn't trying to be condescending, I was trying to tell the audience, like number one, this is obviously illogical, insane stuff.

00:32:53.000 He said, no.

00:33:05.000 But secondly, it's like there are a plethora of options to effectively move the country in the right direction.

00:33:12.000 Like, that obviously was the last one available to us in the revolution.

00:33:16.000 There was no other place to go.

00:33:18.000 We're not even, like, close to that.

00:33:20.000 We live in the wealthiest, most prosperous country, not on Earth, in the history of Earth, since sentient beings... Matter of fact, unless we find life anywhere else in the entire cosmos, the best place to live is here.

00:33:34.000 Folks, I get it.

00:33:36.000 I like the President.

00:33:37.000 I don't mind his bravado.

00:33:38.000 I'm from Queens.

00:33:39.000 I know it bothers people.

00:33:40.000 It doesn't bother me one bit.

00:33:42.000 It's exactly... Me and my wife both are from Queens.

00:33:44.000 Everyone was like that.

00:33:46.000 I get it.

00:33:46.000 Some other people don't like it.

00:33:47.000 This is not the end of the world.

00:33:50.000 But I am terrified that, whereas I think conservatives... See, you and I have an emergency break, and the emergency break is our ideological leanings and our faith.

00:34:00.000 Our emergency break as conservatives are, our political opponents have God-given big R rights, even though we disagree with them. 0.97

00:34:08.000 I have no right to assault them.

00:34:10.000 I have a right to argue with them, but I have no right to hurt them, to wound them, to damage them, to bankrupt them maliciously.

00:34:17.000 I don't have a right to do that.

00:34:19.000 One, it's morally wrong.

00:34:20.000 And secondly, we believe in a Bill of Rights.

00:34:22.000 We believe that everybody has those big R God-given rights.

00:34:25.000 What worries me about the radical left, not all Democrats, a lot of Democrats tired of this nonsense too, or else Biden wouldn't be coming out against it.

00:34:31.000 The radical left, there's no question, there's no emergency brake whatsoever.

00:34:36.000 That's what terrifies me about after the election.

00:34:38.000 If you saw what me and my wife saw, leaving the acceptance speech at the White House, Ben, I know you've been subjected to harassment.

00:34:45.000 I've seen it.

00:34:46.000 Everybody's a tough guy, by the way, which is kind of hilarious.

00:34:50.000 Everybody's with 30 people around.

00:34:52.000 But we walked out of the acceptance speech at the White House into, I don't even know how to describe it, savages?

00:34:59.000 Animals? 0.98

00:35:00.000 People, I mean, legitimately, like foaming at the mouth, spitting on you, calling my wife a prostitute, but not in such nice terms. 0.93

00:35:08.000 Believe me, that's being nice. 0.97

00:35:11.000 What else did they call you?

00:35:15.000 A?

00:35:15.000 It was kind of like when you did that hilarious segment about that song.

00:35:15.000 A B?

00:35:18.000 W-A-P and you had a W-E-F-P-P-W. 1.00

00:35:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:21.000 I can't even say the words.

00:35:22.000 It's a family-friendly show.

00:35:23.000 Give me a letter and I'll tell you the word they put behind it.

00:35:26.000 I mean, this went on for two miles.

00:35:28.000 They followed us to the hotel. 1.00

00:35:30.000 I'm gonna kick your ass. 1.00

00:35:31.000 I'm gonna find you at the hotel in the morning. 1.00

00:35:33.000 If it wasn't for the five or ten or so border patrol guys that saw me and were staying at the same hotel.

00:35:39.000 They said, Dan, walk with us.

00:35:42.000 I honest to God don't know what would happen.

00:35:43.000 That's why when Rand Paul said they would have killed me and everybody laughed at him, believe me, I wasn't laughing.

00:35:48.000 I saw it. 1.00

00:35:49.000 These people were lunatics. 0.99

00:35:51.000 I've never seen anything like it. 0.99

00:35:53.000 I mean, obviously it's a dopey question, but can you ever imagine losing an election to Obama, showing up at his nomination speech at the White House, Ben, and foaming at the mouth, calling an 80-year-old man's wife a prostitute, telling him you're going to kick his... 0.99

00:36:08.000 I mean, what kind of a lunatic does that? 0.99

00:36:10.000 And it's precisely because conservatives have the emergency brake and liberals don't. 0.97

00:36:15.000 Again, it's not all Democrats.

00:36:15.000 I'm very sorry.

00:36:16.000 I'm not putting... I don't stereotype people.

00:36:19.000 The ones I've run into, these maniacs, have no emergency brake whatsoever.

00:36:22.000 It's frightening.

00:36:23.000 So let's talk about the breakdown of law and order, because obviously that's become a key component of the Trump campaign.

00:36:28.000 It's really shifted the nature of the campaign to the point where it seems like Biden is very much on the defensive, as we record this.

00:36:33.000 Biden has been forced to exit the basement and go to swing states, which suggests that he's got some internal polling that differs pretty widely from the public polling.

00:36:40.000 And he's taken the sort of halfway position between Lawlessness and law and order where he says, well, you know, the vast majority of police officers are good people, but the system is systemically racist.

00:36:52.000 Now, you were a police officer.

00:36:54.000 What do you make of the argument that the police are systemically racist?

00:36:54.000 Yeah.

00:36:59.000 Well, like you, I believe in the English language and the power of words that mean something.

00:37:05.000 I don't know what that means. 0.96

00:37:07.000 I'm not trying to be an idiot. 1.00

00:37:08.000 I'm not being stupid or silly or coy. 1.00

00:37:11.000 So systemically racist, meaning there is a system That has a systemic problem. 1.00

00:37:16.000 That's racist.

00:37:17.000 So, what's interesting is these allegations of systemic racism are only emerging from cities run by systems that are dominated monopolistically by liberals.

00:37:26.000 So, I don't get, one, what system you're talking about.

00:37:29.000 Then they say, oh no, no, no.

00:37:31.000 When they start talking about amorphous blobs, you know they have no point. 0.99

00:37:35.000 Like, Sowell's great at dismantling these arguments.

00:37:37.000 Thomas Sowell, he's a legend at it.

00:37:38.000 Where he tries to pinpoint people down to actual specific ideas that are refutable.

00:37:42.000 You know, the whole essence of science, facts and data are ideas that are refutable.

00:37:46.000 If you have an idea that's not refutable, that's maybe faith, but it's certainly not science or data.

00:37:51.000 Nobody can tell you what the system that's racist is.

00:37:55.000 When you point to it, they're confused.

00:37:57.000 Like I say in New York, it's a majority-minority police department.

00:38:00.000 Now, again, it would be absurd to suggest there aren't isolated examples of police misconduct, brutality.

00:38:06.000 In some cases, you know, we've had abject criminality.

00:38:10.000 There's no question.

00:38:11.000 But we have systems set up for that.

00:38:13.000 We have civilian complaint review boards, obviously the criminal process, the administrative procedures.

00:38:19.000 Do you notice they never suggest any kind of legitimate fix?

00:38:22.000 It's always, uh, dismantle the police, defund the police.

00:38:26.000 They're systemically racist.

00:38:27.000 It's never, it's never real.

00:38:29.000 And, and I think where the Biden campaign made a huge mistake here is obviously, you know, the sister soldier moment that saved Bill Clinton's campaign where he, the sister soldier had this very controversial song.

00:38:39.000 He came out and said, listen, Wrong.

00:38:42.000 You can't talk like that.

00:38:42.000 This is bad.

00:38:44.000 And, of course, the left wing went nuts and Bill Clinton wound up handily winning an election and smoking it in the next election.

00:38:50.000 I'm not defending Bill Clinton.

00:38:51.000 I'm just saying, like, it was Biden's moment to come out and say, listen, this has to stop today.

00:38:57.000 Period.

00:38:58.000 I am unequivocal in this.

00:39:00.000 Our police are generally very good people policing cities for very little money.

00:39:03.000 We have these examples of misconduct.

00:39:05.000 But the second part of law and order is order.

00:39:08.000 And order, the essence of order, is process.

00:39:10.000 And we have a process.

00:39:11.000 If you have suggestions for fixing the process, I'm your president and I'm willing to listen.

00:39:16.000 We can repair and fix those processes.

00:39:18.000 And everybody would have been on board.

00:39:20.000 Nobody sat there and defended what happened to this guy in Minnesota.

00:39:22.000 Nobody!

00:39:23.000 I was one of the first people on TV like, no, no, no, no.

00:39:26.000 But we had a process.

00:39:27.000 The guy got arrested and he'll be tried.

00:39:29.000 That's how this works.

00:39:30.000 Biden didn't do that.

00:39:32.000 He passed and he made the same mistake David Dinkins did in New York.

00:39:35.000 I'll leave this point with this because I lived through this in New York City.

00:39:39.000 New York City was, at that point, 3-1 Democrat to Republican.

00:39:42.000 You were never going to get another Republican mayor again.

00:39:44.000 Or so we thought.

00:39:46.000 The city descended, Ben, into total madness.

00:39:48.000 Madness.

00:39:49.000 Thousands of homicides a year.

00:39:51.000 I mean, my wife and I tell horror stories.

00:39:54.000 Your car, it wasn't even a matter of getting broken into.

00:39:57.000 It was only a matter of how many times.

00:39:59.000 I used to joke about, they had that device, the club, the steering wheel lock, and then the criminals learned how to take the club off.

00:40:05.000 They would ice it with Freon spray, so then they had the club cover.

00:40:09.000 So they couldn't cut the steering wheel?

00:40:11.000 And then they told people, no, no, put the club cover on backwards so they can't hammer the club.

00:40:16.000 That's how bad the problem was!

00:40:17.000 They had like a multi-layered club so they wouldn't steal your car.

00:40:21.000 It was such an embarrassment.

00:40:23.000 It was like, when am I going to get mugged?

00:40:25.000 Not, is it going to happen?

00:40:27.000 Giuliani comes in, runs on a strict law and order message.

00:40:30.000 I mean, that's basically, I'm going to cut taxes, law and order.

00:40:32.000 That's his entire message.

00:40:33.000 He wasn't a very socially conservative guy.

00:40:36.000 The people forget that.

00:40:37.000 He comes in, I've lived through this entire thing.

00:40:39.000 He slides by, loses the first time, wins the second time, slides by.

00:40:44.000 Runs for re-election.

00:40:45.000 Everybody's like, this guy's got no shot.

00:40:47.000 The city's almost entirely cleaned up.

00:40:49.000 Disney moves into Times Square.

00:40:50.000 He wins by 18 points in New York City.

00:40:54.000 How Biden didn't see this coming?

00:40:56.000 I mean, it was the biggest, you know, warning sign, exclamation point in the middle of it I've ever seen.

00:41:03.000 And he blew it.

00:41:03.000 He's never had that moment.

00:41:04.000 And he won't.

00:41:05.000 And I think this is going to be his downfall.

00:41:07.000 I mean, I'm shocked that the Trump campaign has not, as of yet, really gone even more aggressive on this particular point.

00:41:13.000 I mean, Joe Biden went and visited Kenosha, and while visiting Kenosha, he made a phone call to Jacob Blake, the man who was shot by the Kenosha police.

00:41:20.000 Jacob Blake is an alleged rapist. 0.65

00:41:22.000 The reason that the police were there is because they were called to the scene by a woman who alleged that he digitally raped her with her child in the room. 0.98

00:41:28.000 And there was Joe Biden suggesting that the officers Who had to shoot him because he was resisting arrest and went around to the driver's side of his car and tried to pick a knife up off the floorboards.

00:41:38.000 They shot him and Biden's response was to call Jacob Blake with condolences, an alleged rapist, and to suggest that the officers be arrested.

00:41:47.000 I don't know how that has not become the focal point of the Trump campaign at this point, frankly.

00:41:53.000 Yeah, you know, I was doing an appearance, and I mentioned this the other day, that isn't it so bizarre that the social fabric has just collapsed to such a point where, remember when we were kids, you played cops and robbers, and nobody wanted to be the robber?

00:42:04.000 Like, that was like the kid you didn't like in the neighborhood.

00:42:06.000 Make him the robber!

00:42:07.000 We don't like him.

00:42:08.000 You know, poor guy.

00:42:09.000 Poor guy, well, I don't want to be the robber anymore.

00:42:11.000 Now it's the opposite.

00:42:12.000 Everybody wants to be the robber and not the cop, and you think, The damage they've done to our culture, where they've unmoored us from any objective values of what's good.

00:42:22.000 You know, I read this great piece in the journal, forgive me, I can't remember, it was an op-ed about a week ago.

00:42:27.000 It was on the weekend.

00:42:28.000 I can't remember the author, which I hate.

00:42:30.000 I should give him a hat tip.

00:42:31.000 But it was such a wonderful piece, how When you accept this idea that, oh, all ideas have equal validity than none do, because it's absurd.

00:42:42.000 Like, there's unquestionably, top of the totem pole, bad ideas that should be absolutely categorically disregarded.

00:42:49.000 Like, the police are generally good, law and order's a good thing, rioting is bad, but now we see this new book, like, In Defense of Looting.

00:42:56.000 I mean, this is what happens, and this is how you get a society where people want to be the robber now and not the cop.

00:43:02.000 Which, ironically, that book, one of my friends put out a tweet the other day which was hilarious, the In Defense of Looting book, where again, all ideas are worth hearing, which you and I both know are not, like, socialism's not worth hearing out. 0.98

00:43:13.000 Whoever tells you that's a moron with no context for history at all.

00:43:17.000 The In Defense of Looting book, if you go to the back of the front flap, it has a copyright thing where you need permission to print this book. 0.97

00:43:25.000 So don't loot that book!

00:43:27.000 Right?

00:43:27.000 Don't loot my book, just loot everybody else's book.

00:43:29.000 And this is the left.

00:43:31.000 They've unmoored us from any sense of objective good.

00:43:34.000 And when you think about it, you know, the reason why they do that is quite simple.

00:43:37.000 I mean, the whole essence of socialism is a...

00:43:41.000 is a subjective interpretation of at any given moment what's good or bad for the collective.

00:43:46.000 If you have a set of bedrock ideas and big R constitutional rights, socialism can't exist. 0.98

00:43:51.000 Because the essence of it is to treat people unequally, right?

00:43:54.000 These are the bad guys.

00:43:55.000 These are the good guys.

00:43:56.000 The next day, no, no, those are the bad guys.

00:43:58.000 These are the good guys.

00:43:58.000 Take their... These are the farmers that... No, they were good guys yesterday.

00:44:01.000 No, no, they're bad guys today.

00:44:02.000 Steal their stuff.

00:44:03.000 That's what socialism is.

00:44:04.000 It requires subjectivity.

00:44:06.000 And the left is... The left, really, through their academic institutions, has dismantled any sense right now of objective good to the point where a guy running for president meets with the guy accused of this disgusting crime and nobody... I mean, Ben, really, is it even a scandal?

00:44:20.000 No.

00:44:20.000 Nobody's even mentioned it!

00:44:22.000 I want to talk to you about it in one second.

00:44:23.000 I want to ask you about the media coverage of this race, because the media coverage over the last few years, they have beclowned themselves in such grandiose fashion.

00:44:30.000 I've never seen anything remotely like it.

00:44:32.000 We'll get to that in one second.

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00:45:49.000 So let's talk about the media coverage of all of this stuff.

00:45:51.000 So obviously you've created a very large media persona for yourself.

00:45:56.000 You've even created a sort of response to the Drudge Report called the Bongino Report.

00:46:00.000 And you were one of the first people to publicly say what everybody sort of knew, which is that Matt Drudge is off the train.

00:46:04.000 So Matt Drudge was a driving force behind Donald Trump's primary victory.

00:46:08.000 He really covered him in extraordinarily positive fashion during the primaries in 2016.

00:46:12.000 Uh, and throughout the election cycle, he was pretty positive toward Trump in 2016.

00:46:16.000 And then sometime in 2017, 2018, it seems like the coverage of Drudge Report has basically mirrored that of the New York Times to the point where nearly every headline looks like it's almost originating from Biden HQ at this point.

00:46:26.000 You've called that out publicly.

00:46:27.000 What do you think has happened with regard to places like Drudge?

00:46:32.000 You know, I don't know which Drudge specifically.

00:46:34.000 There's rumors, obviously, he sold the site.

00:46:36.000 I can't confirm.

00:46:37.000 I hate even saying it, but it's out there if you Google it.

00:46:41.000 He's so reclusive, nobody can ever get a quote from him, so nobody really knows what happened with Drudge.

00:46:45.000 People who've known him in the past, who worked with him, have told me that he can be very kind of mercenary himself, that he just runs with the headlines.

00:46:53.000 I don't know.

00:46:54.000 Um, but I didn't do it for the money.

00:46:56.000 I mean, I know that's like the worst line, but it's true. 1.00

00:46:58.000 I really didn't.

00:46:58.000 I just didn't like drudge everyone.

00:47:00.000 I mean, you woke up, everyone is like, everybody's going to die from the Corona.

00:47:04.000 Don't go out in public.

00:47:04.000 It's, it's, uh, not only is it airborne, but it's 10,000 times more infectious than any disease.

00:47:09.000 And I was like, listen, I want facts.

00:47:11.000 Okay.

00:47:11.000 I have to live my life in the real world.

00:47:13.000 Um, and, and, you know, I do show prep like you do.

00:47:16.000 And I found the Drudge Report to be increasingly useless.

00:47:19.000 It was just nonstop corona hysteria, you know, Orange Man bad, Trump is awful, you know, finally we found the collusion, and I was like, this is just a waste of my time.

00:47:30.000 So we did Bongino Report, and it took off fab.

00:47:33.000 I mean, it's just people we're looking for.

00:47:35.000 And there's a number of others that do it too, as well, that do a really terrific job.

00:47:38.000 And I give them hat tips all the time.

00:47:40.000 Because like I said, it's really not about, for me, the money, the projects I choose to get involved with.

00:47:44.000 I always get involved with, because I'm passionate about them.

00:47:46.000 You know, I do the same thing with social media, with some projects I'm involved in there.

00:47:50.000 But with the media, you know, it's stunning.

00:47:53.000 Like you and I, if we get one nugget of a fact wrong, matter of fact, I'll put meat on the bone, I'll give you an actual example.

00:47:58.000 I'm running for office in Florida, and I had, I said something during a debate that education spending, since I was born in the 1970s, has gone up 400%, and yet our international results have flatlined.

00:48:11.000 So obviously the correlation between money and education results aren't there.

00:48:16.000 Well, the next day there was an article in the Naples Daily News.

00:48:18.000 No, it's not true.

00:48:20.000 When you adjust it for inflation, it's not 400%.

00:48:22.000 It's like 372.6%.

00:48:23.000 He's definitely lying.

00:48:25.000 And I looked, and I remember I got into a big fight with you.

00:48:29.000 And I'm like, why am I even bothering? 0.97

00:48:30.000 This is clownish. 0.66

00:48:31.000 But that's the environment you and I live in. 0.89

00:48:33.000 We have to be perfect all the time.

00:48:35.000 Or else we're conspiracy theorists.

00:48:36.000 And we're never to be... The tinfoil hats come out.

00:48:38.000 Ben Shapiro, oh my God.

00:48:40.000 Look at this guy.

00:48:41.000 He dared to say that there was $2 million in federal spending, and it was $2.6.

00:48:45.000 He doesn't know what he's talking about.

00:48:47.000 But what's totally bizarre about this is you can get the two biggest scandals of our time wrong in the media.

00:48:54.000 You can say Spygate was a hoax.

00:48:55.000 It wasn't.

00:48:56.000 And Collusion was real.

00:48:58.000 It wasn't.

00:48:59.000 And you get a Pulitzer Prize!

00:49:02.000 Nobody—Ben, no career damage at all.

00:49:05.000 Maggie Haberman, Adam Goldman, Natasha Bertrand, David Corn.

00:49:11.000 I mean, the list goes on and on of people who have never apologized, not one moment, for this scandal, have promoted the two biggest hoaxes of our time, and they got Pulitzer Prizes for this thing.

00:49:21.000 Meanwhile, you and I, you get a decimal point wrong, and we're finished.

00:49:26.000 You know, the only good news to that, because that sounds very macabre...

00:49:30.000 You know, you look at polls, and you see who are the trusted sources of information, and it's guys like you, me, and Fox News, and nobody trusts them.

00:49:37.000 So the answer is, who's really winning?

00:49:39.000 And it's us.

00:49:39.000 I mean, we have enormous audiences.

00:49:42.000 We're like, you and I are like the Wonder Twins.

00:49:45.000 I mean, you're always one.

00:49:46.000 I've never, ever beaten you, ever.

00:49:47.000 Your show's amazing.

00:49:48.000 People show up at book signings.

00:49:50.000 For me, they don't even know I have a show.

00:49:53.000 They see me from Fox, and I say, oh, you listen to Piper?

00:49:55.000 Yeah, I listen to Shapiro.

00:49:56.000 Get out of my books.

00:49:58.000 So who's really winning?

00:50:00.000 People are seeking out information where they know they're not going to be lied to.

00:50:03.000 One more, because this is funny too.

00:50:05.000 Because like Rachel Maddow, I love this topic.

00:50:07.000 How do you watch this show for three years knowing this woman's been lying to you, or if not lying, is so incompetent that she promoted a hoax, the collusion hoax, and you don't wake up one morning and go, Wow.

00:50:21.000 I spent an hour every night at 9 o'clock on a show, Eastern Time.

00:50:25.000 That was just total BS.

00:50:27.000 Like, that doesn't bother you?

00:50:28.000 I mean, there was one... I forget what we said.

00:50:30.000 There was one thing... One story we had to come back the next day.

00:50:33.000 We screwed it up.

00:50:34.000 I get out ahead of it.

00:50:35.000 Oh, I said that Christine Blasey Ford was not going to show up. 0.56

00:50:38.000 I was sure of it.

00:50:39.000 I knew that I was very suspect about the story.

00:50:41.000 We're in the Kavanaugh hearings, of course.

00:50:43.000 And I said to my audience, there's no way she's showing up.

00:50:45.000 I'll bet my right arm on it.

00:50:47.000 You know, of course, she showed up.

00:50:48.000 And for the next week, I apologized profusely every day to my audience.

00:50:52.000 And for days, they were like, all right, enough.

00:50:53.000 You made your point.

00:50:54.000 You apologized.

00:50:55.000 Move on.

00:50:56.000 But I felt like I'd legitimately let them down and made a point every day to almost go over the top and say, I let you down.

00:51:02.000 Bad call.

00:51:02.000 I predicted it wrong.

00:51:04.000 Not the spygate hoaxers and the collusion hoaxers.

00:51:07.000 Nothing.

00:51:07.000 One of the things that's truly amazing is that it's pretty obvious that social media has allowed avenues for, you know, people like you, people like me to get our message out there.

00:51:15.000 And when those messages become popular, the old media immediately jump in to attempt to control social media.

00:51:20.000 So you've seen this mostly from people like Kevin Roos at the New York Times.

00:51:24.000 Every single day.

00:51:25.000 He hates me and you.

00:51:26.000 I just know tomorrow.

00:51:27.000 Every single day.

00:51:28.000 Every single day he posts the Facebook statistics showing that your page is popular, that my page is very popular.

00:51:33.000 And then he, the implication of course being that Facebook is putting out this information.

00:51:37.000 It never seems to occur to him that maybe the reason people like our information is because the New York Times won't report the kind of stuff that we talk about on a daily basis and instead denies entirely these narratives.

00:51:46.000 And this is, I think, the blind spot for the media and it's the reason they've lost so much credibility.

00:51:50.000 And now they're stuck.

00:51:51.000 I think they've Move themselves into a box canyon where they can't get out, because if they acknowledge that the narratives that you and I pursue on a daily basis and talk about, because we'll talk about all the same stuff they're talking about, but we will also talk about these other narratives that they won't talk about, right?

00:52:03.000 I mean, you talked about Spygate and you talked about the Russia hoax and all of that for years on your program.

00:52:09.000 I talked about it and I was actually more friendly toward, I tried to give your point of view, but also talked about what the New York Times was saying on a daily basis, and that still wasn't good enough for them.

00:52:18.000 But then we would talk about other narratives that were in the news that get completely ignored.

00:52:21.000 And instead of the New York Times starting to cover some of those other narratives, or hire a conservative journalist, or hire somebody their op-ed page who might disagree with somebody once in a while.

00:52:29.000 Instead of doing that, they've decided that they actually want to hijack the social media networks and try to pressure them into shutting off access to information conservatives provide.

00:52:39.000 And that's a truly amazing thing.

00:52:41.000 So now they basically just have to double down on what they have.

00:52:44.000 Because if they ever acknowledge that maybe we're providing information that is useful, then they have to acknowledge they've been doing it wrong all these years.

00:52:49.000 And simultaneously, if they acknowledge that we're successful because people want that information, then they have to acknowledge that social media is not biased.

00:52:57.000 It's just that they're not performing their jobs particularly well.

00:53:00.000 That's a huge story, and I'm so glad your audience is going to get a kick at this, because there's no two better people to talk about than me and you.

00:53:07.000 You and I, on any given day, there's a Twitter account, Facebook's Top Ten, and it monitors via CrowdTangle the most popular posts of the day.

00:53:15.000 There's not a day during the week that either you or I aren't on that.

00:53:17.000 You usually have three or four posts.

00:53:20.000 And on a good day we'll have three or four, usually we have one, one or two.

00:53:24.000 So you and I have very popular top ten pages in the United States for posts.

00:53:28.000 And you just said it.

00:53:29.000 It bothers him so much that a writer, I believe for the New York Times, that guy Roush, who monitors the Facebook top ten, he only does it to pressure Facebook to say, listen, these right-wing provocateurs are posting content that we just don't ideologically like.

00:53:44.000 Matter of fact, there was an article in The Week about me and you by this other clown, not Bruce, but suggesting somehow that we're promoting disinformation, which is incredible, because again, Facebook has an army of fact-checkers literally dedicated to destroying the lives of conservatives.

00:53:59.000 And I hate literally, because it's literally the most overused word in the English language, but I literally mean that.

00:54:03.000 They have an army of fact checkers deployed that just target almost exclusively conservative pages.

00:54:11.000 If what we're saying is false, because we get it about once a month, we'll get one of these fake fact checks, which is really an opinion piece.

00:54:18.000 Why aren't we getting it every day?

00:54:19.000 Why is our page still up?

00:54:20.000 And what bothers them more is that there's an interesting thing about your page and my page, that they never tell the story.

00:54:27.000 Most of the posts on our... Yeah, we'll put clips, Kayleigh McEnany, Donald Trump, whatever.

00:54:31.000 You know, everybody has a few newsy clips.

00:54:33.000 You know, you put a little spicy headline, whatever.

00:54:36.000 But 50, 60, 70% of the material is material we write, like Daily Wire stuff you guys put together.

00:54:42.000 And my clips from my show, So if what I'm saying on my show is false, then where are your army of fact-checkers calling me out?

00:54:50.000 So what they're saying is they're bothered by the truth.

00:54:52.000 And it's really stunning, and I don't think the audience really gets, behind the scenes, how much pressure... You guys get it more than I do, because The Daily Wire has its own... distinct from Ben Shapiro, has its own distinct... I mean, you guys, you know, you work for The Wire and all, and with them, but you guys have a multiple different, like, layers of success on Facebook.

00:55:10.000 Your team is phenomenal.

00:55:12.000 Just really good at it.

00:55:14.000 It drives them wild and the pressure to get you and me pulled off.

00:55:19.000 I mean, I don't know how you feel about it.

00:55:20.000 It's your show.

00:55:21.000 I'm not interviewing you.

00:55:21.000 But I think the guy I work with on Facebook who helps me produce the content.

00:55:27.000 He's like, just milk it as long as you can, because you won't be here long.

00:55:30.000 You know, I will say that, you know, I think that not all these companies operate the same way.

00:55:35.000 I think that Twitter is more of a threat to conservatives, just by statistics, than Facebook is.

00:55:41.000 Listen, I've said it before, I think that Zuckerberg seems to have an ideological commitment to the idea, at least, of people being able to get their opinion out there.

00:55:49.000 It may be imperfectly applied by his company, but he at least is mouthing those words, and I think he actually does care about that stuff.

00:55:55.000 That the precise opposite applies to people like Jack Dorsey, who brutally wants to shut down anybody who disagrees with him.

00:56:02.000 I think there are some others. 0.78

00:56:03.000 I think treating all social media identically is silly.

00:56:07.000 Listen, I'd be a hypocrite if I sat here and I think my page may be the most successful Facebook page in the United States. 0.90

00:56:12.000 It would be really hypocritical for me to talk about being silenced on Facebook. 0.87

00:56:16.000 But you can certainly see it on Twitter.

00:56:17.000 I mean, on Twitter for sure.

00:56:19.000 And the pressure is exorbitant.

00:56:21.000 I mean, there are people who are out there every day trying to get you demonetized, getting people like Steven Crowder demonetized on YouTube.

00:56:27.000 There are people out there every single day who are trying to pressure these companies into literally kicking off the pages, who are trying to get our advertisers to drop us because the advertisers have to be pressured.

00:56:37.000 And that's a serious thing that the right has not done.

00:56:40.000 And it's put me in the position of basically saying, listen, if you guys continue this, at a certain point, we're going to have to engage in mutually assured destruction.

00:56:46.000 I don't want to do it.

00:56:47.000 Like, I think that Anybody should be able to advertise on whatever program they damn well please.

00:56:51.000 And if Acura wants to advertise with Rachel Maddow, enjoy.

00:56:54.000 But if it's going to come to the point where nobody's allowed to advertise on your show or advertise on my show, and if they buy an ad on the Sunday special, then the leftists swarm them, then there will come a point where the right is just going to say, listen, we'll do the exact same thing to your advertisers, and then nobody will have advertising revenue, and then we'll see how you like this.

00:57:10.000 Gosh, I could talk to you about this whole topic for hours, but a couple things.

00:57:13.000 There's so much in there.

00:57:14.000 On the advertising front, without getting too specific, I think, though, we need to stick together, too.

00:57:19.000 Guys like you and me and Crowder and people who are into McClavin, Knowles, all of us, we have power.

00:57:24.000 I mean, on any given day on iTunes, it's you, me, Michael, Andrew.

00:57:29.000 We're doing audiences similar to cable news channels.

00:57:32.000 No doubt about it.

00:57:33.000 We have power, too.

00:57:34.000 People want to sell products.

00:57:35.000 They have to sell products to people.

00:57:37.000 Well, we have the people, we have the eyeballs, and we have the ears.

00:57:39.000 But we've got to stick together.

00:57:40.000 And I think in this business, unfortunately, there's too much, you know, dog-eat-dog stuff, which I get it.

00:57:46.000 It's a business.

00:57:47.000 But I can candidly tell you I've never viewed your show as a competitor.

00:57:51.000 No, we don't.

00:57:52.000 That's not how we think of the conservative ecosystem.

00:57:55.000 No, yeah, and I've never thought of it that way.

00:57:57.000 I've always thought, you know... I've promoted your work.

00:57:59.000 Yeah, I mean, I had Michael on my show and we were laughing upstairs.

00:58:03.000 He had a great weekend after that with subs because I love his show and I think there's There's space in people's lives for between four to six hours of content.

00:58:11.000 I mean, Hannity, Rush, and Levin have dominated.

00:58:14.000 That's nine hours of content for years.

00:58:16.000 You know, I only do an hour show.

00:58:18.000 I never viewed you guys as a competitor, but we do have to stick together with the ad stuff.

00:58:21.000 There was an incident that happened.

00:58:22.000 I'm not going to get into the details, obviously, but it had something to do with your show and someone else.

00:58:26.000 And I made sure to make a phone call and, without again getting into specifics, saying, No, we're not doing that.

00:58:36.000 And they're in the penalty box.

00:58:37.000 And they were like, well, what do you mean?

00:58:38.000 We're not doing it.

00:58:40.000 I'll tell you later.

00:58:42.000 But I think you kind of know.

00:58:44.000 And I let them know that that's not true.

00:58:46.000 And believe me, they were like, well, what do you mean?

00:58:48.000 You sell a lot of our widgets.

00:58:50.000 Not for the next few months.

00:58:51.000 We didn't sell any of your widgets.

00:58:53.000 We'd have to do that.

00:58:55.000 Absolutely.

00:58:56.000 Again, not to get into specifics, but we've written into contracts that people are not allowed to just willy-nilly be pressured by the leftist ecosystem into pulling their advertising.

00:59:04.000 No, I mean, they're asking us to voice their pride, which we're very specific, but we don't just sell anything.

00:59:10.000 No, listen, they trust us to talk about their product in an honest way, and we trust them not to undercut our shows.

00:59:15.000 I mean, this relationship does go both ways.

00:59:18.000 And not only that, I mean, I think that the right needs to stick together when any of us get boycotted, right?

00:59:21.000 I mean, when people go after Tucker, when people go after Sean, when people go after Rush.

00:59:24.000 And that is a routine thing.

00:59:26.000 That's a routine thing, is to try and knock advertisers out and, you know, There will come a point where the right decides that they've had enough of this, and the eventual answer is going to be launching of right-wing companies in exactly the same areas that don't actually care anymore.

00:59:39.000 I mean, you've seen this with Black Rifle Coffee, one of our sponsors, right?

00:59:42.000 Black Rifle looked at Starbucks, and they said, okay, well, if you guys are going to market to the left, then we're going to market to the right.

00:59:47.000 We'll put a gun on our cover, and people will buy our coffee, and they do an awful big business.

00:59:51.000 You know, Roger Ailes, who, whatever you think his problems were or not, when I was an instructor in the Secret Service Academy, a guy who was graduating in the class knew him.

00:59:59.000 So he came down to give a speech.

01:00:00.000 This is years ago.

01:00:01.000 Gosh, I don't know, 2002, whatever it was.

01:00:04.000 But he comes down and he was taking questions afterwards in front of a small group of parents, proudly watching their kids graduate.

01:00:09.000 And someone asked him, you know, how'd you come up with the idea of Fox News?

01:00:12.000 And I never forgot this.

01:00:14.000 He said, I was sitting there in my house one day and I thought, gosh, there's this underserved market in America called 51% of America, that like, he was joking, I was like, why isn't there a conservative news station?

01:00:25.000 So what you're saying about a whole conservative ecosystem of social media, products, advertising companies, ad reps, everything, it's emerging now, we're seeing it now on Aaron.

01:00:37.000 Just kind of doubling down on this.

01:00:39.000 You're seeing it now, though, too.

01:00:40.000 Even companies like YouTube, who've decided it's a good idea to demonetize anything I say, and they don't demonetize almost any leftist channels.

01:00:47.000 We figured out ways around it.

01:00:49.000 I read the ads in the show.

01:00:51.000 You want to take my show off?

01:00:52.000 YouTube makes probably millions of dollars a year off my show.

01:00:56.000 Look, I'll find another outlet.

01:00:57.000 I really, at this point, I don't care.

01:00:59.000 I talk about YouTube on my show all the time.

01:01:01.000 You want to host my show?

01:01:02.000 We can be business partners in this.

01:01:02.000 Fine.

01:01:04.000 You don't?

01:01:05.000 I will happily move on to another outlet.

01:01:07.000 I'm really okay with that.

01:01:08.000 I don't have any problem with YouTube.

01:01:09.000 I don't boycott YouTube because they host leftist shows.

01:01:11.000 I don't care.

01:01:12.000 And like you said about the advertisers, I have never once mistakenly watched CNN in an airport because that's the only place you see it.

01:01:19.000 And seeing an advertiser be like, oh my gosh, I gotta boycott this company.

01:01:22.000 Because again, it goes back to that conversation we had about, you know, law and order and big R God-given rights.

01:01:27.000 They're not advertising CNN.

01:01:27.000 It's a company.

01:01:29.000 They're advertising their product to CNN's audience.

01:01:32.000 These whiner infants on the left. 1.00

01:01:35.000 Oh my gosh, Ben Shapiro was talking about abortion.

01:01:37.000 We can't talk about abortion.

01:01:38.000 Boycott the show.

01:01:39.000 They're not, nobody's endorsing anything.

01:01:41.000 I don't even care what your views are.

01:01:42.000 You're selling a product, man.

01:01:44.000 Get over it.

01:01:45.000 And then one final thought on Twitter.

01:01:47.000 I agree.

01:01:48.000 It would be hypocritical for me to bash Facebook.

01:01:50.000 Our page is, you know, doing not as well as yours, but pretty darn good.

01:01:54.000 We do get fact-checked a lot. 0.99

01:01:56.000 We get a lot of stupid stuff. 1.00

01:01:57.000 But Twitter's a train wreck. 1.00

01:02:00.000 I think Jack's moneymaker has always been square.

01:02:04.000 I think Twitter's his plaything.

01:02:05.000 I don't think he cares what you think.

01:02:08.000 I think he'd kick you off tomorrow if he felt like it.

01:02:11.000 And I think he'd flip you two middle fingers and say, have a nice day.

01:02:14.000 And matter of fact, I would not be stunned.

01:02:16.000 Again, I'm not in the predictions game.

01:02:17.000 I'm just saying I would not be shocked at all if there's some adverse action against the president close to or after election day, depending on who wins.

01:02:25.000 I wouldn't, where he's just suspended, and then I think people are going to start to really wake up.

01:02:31.000 I would never get rid of my Twitter account.

01:02:34.000 Full disclosure, I have an ownership stake in Parler, so your audience is not in any way confused.

01:02:39.000 I do.

01:02:39.000 It's recent.

01:02:41.000 I did that because I say to people all the time, I don't want you to cancel your Twitter.

01:02:45.000 There is a fight there to be had.

01:02:46.000 I just want to make sure you have a home base somewhere else where you can go to Twitter and play with the liberals all you want, but understand that your time is limited there.

01:02:54.000 And I believe again on Facebook, I think my time is limited too.

01:02:58.000 I wish it weren't the case.

01:02:59.000 I mean, I really, there are billions of people there that could use our information.

01:03:03.000 And I think my days are numbered there.

01:03:05.000 So in a second, I want to ask you about your Secret Service service.

01:03:08.000 Like, what was that like?

01:03:09.000 Because I think people have misperceptions of what exactly that constitutes.

01:03:11.000 I want to ask that question.

01:03:13.000 I want to ask you that question.

01:03:14.000 So we're going to talk about what it was like to be in the Secret Service.

01:03:17.000 Because you actually were in the Secret Service when Obama was President of the United States.

01:03:20.000 We'll get to that in a second.

01:03:21.000 But first, if you want to hear Dan Bongino's answers, you have to be a DailyWire member.

01:03:25.000 So head on over to DailyWire.com.

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01:03:30.000 Well, Dan Bongino, check out his new book, Follow the Money, The Shocking Deep State Connections of the Anti-Trump Cabal.

01:03:35.000 Dan, thanks so much for stopping by.

01:03:37.000 Really, really appreciate it.

01:03:38.000 This was one of the best interviews we've done.

01:03:40.000 I feel really good, so thanks.

01:03:41.000 Thanks. Great talking to you, buddy.

01:03:49.000 The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special is produced by Mathis Glover.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - September 13, 2020

Dan Bongino | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 98

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