At the height of the Cold War, David Horowitz was raised in a communist household. At Berkeley, he led activism for socialist revolution in the country, and then advanced as a prolific author for the radical left in the 1960s and 70s. He was editor of Rampart, the leading magazine for the New Left. He befriended Huey Newton, and raised money for the Black Panther Party. His second book became a widespread handbook for the growing anti-Vietnam War movement of the 1960 s. And then, after 10 years away from political discourse, David announced he was supporting Ronald Reagan for president. We ll get into what he witnessed that drove him away from politics for a decade, and how he reemerged on the other side of the aisle. In this episode, David tells us about his avocation to fight fire with fire when it comes to leftists. And we discuss his latest book, The Enemy Within, How a totalitarian movement is destroying America. Where David lays out how the Democrat Party s actions have pushed us to the brink of a one-party state. And we get to what is happening in terms of his new book and modern politics in a second episode of The Ben Shapiro Show: A Sunday Special with Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro is the host of the conservative radio show hosted by the conservative host, Ben Shapiro, and is a regular contributor to The Weekly Standard and The Daily Beast. He is also a frequent contributor to the New York Times, The New York Review of Books, and the Los Angeles Review of Men s Journal, and has a blog that chronicles the rise and fall of women s fashion and culture. He has a new book out in the new issue of Vogue. His profile is out now on Vogue, Outtro, featuring his music is out on Soundtrack is available on Soundproof, and he's also on the Internet, is also available on the internet, is a podcast on the podcast, is on VOGUE, and you should check it out on his website, is excellent, and is also on it's website is is a must-listen to it, and so much more, you should be sure to get it all is all of it, he's got it on it, too is it is all that you should go to it is it, it's on it? Thank you for listening to the whole thing, really really is that, really is it really good?
00:00:19.000At the height of the Cold War, David Horowitz was raised in a New York communist household.
00:00:23.000At Berkeley, he led activism for socialist revolution in the country, and then advanced as a prolific author for the radical left in the 1960s and 70s.
00:00:31.000He was editor of Rampart, the leading magazine for the new left.
00:00:35.000He befriended Huey Newton and raised money for the Black Panther Party.
00:00:39.000His second book became a widespread handbook for the growing anti-Vietnam War movement of the 1960s.
00:00:44.000And then, after 10 years away from political discourse, David announced he was supporting Ronald Reagan for president, and he was leaving the left.
00:00:51.000We'll get into what he witnessed that drove him away from politics for a decade, and how he re-emerged on the other side of the aisle.
00:00:58.000David's career, originally celebrated by intellectuals, disappeared from the cultural establishment almost overnight.
00:01:03.000Prior to conversion, he had books praised by major mainstream media publications, The New York Times, LA Times, the National Book Awards, and then was widely ignored.
00:01:12.000But David continued to be a prolific writer.
00:01:14.000He used the anti-American beliefs and experiences from his early life to expose the damage to American society from the left.
00:01:21.000In this episode, David tells us about his avocation to fight fire with fire when it comes to leftists.
00:01:26.000If the left makes politics about rising to higher purpose with social-political activism, the right will never win unless we fight that same way.
00:01:33.000And we discuss his latest book, The Enemy Within, how a totalitarian movement is destroying America, where David lays out how the Democrat Party's actions have pushed us to the brink of a one party state.
00:02:28.000So we're going to get to what is happening in terms of your new book and modern politics in just a second.
00:02:33.000But for folks who really don't know your early work, I think it's important that folks know your background.
00:02:37.000You started off as a full-fledged communist, essentially.
00:02:41.000So maybe you can explain your transformation.
00:02:43.000You started off in an actual communist family.
00:02:46.000Yeah, this book I've written, The Enemy Within, How a Totalitarian Movement is Destroying America, is a book written from my own sort of biography.
00:03:06.000And I left the Left when I realized that it wasn't about social justice, it wasn't about peace.
00:03:15.000It was about hating and destroying America.
00:03:19.000And this was brought home to me when the left got its greatest victory, which was to drive America out of Vietnam.
00:03:28.000When the communists came in, they proceeded to slaughter two and a half million Indo-Chinese peasants.
00:03:35.000And there was not one single demonstration by the so-called anti-war movement And I knew then that my leftist friends didn't give a damn about the Vietnamese.
00:03:48.000It's just the way they don't care about black people or any minorities.
00:03:53.000What they care about is their hatred for America and destroying it from the foundations up.
00:04:01.000So as you've talked about, growing up in a communist family, you see a lot of people now, young people, who are resonating to the messages of Karl Marx and of socialism and communism.
00:05:28.000The idea is to make America's founding be slavery and racism.
00:05:35.000The 20 Africans who were shipped to the Virginia Colony in 1619 were not slaves, and slavery was outlawed in the Virginia Colony.
00:05:45.000And the Virginia Colony was not America, it was an English colony.
00:05:50.000That doesn't phase them from teaching this to K-12 students and the whole purpose.
00:06:01.000David, one of the things that's really interesting sort of about your life and career is that you seem to have moved in precisely the opposite direction that the country has moved.
00:06:07.000So you started off as a communist when you were very young and you moved through the new left, you edited Ramparts Magazine, and now you're a member of the right.
00:06:16.000The country as a whole started off As a conservative country in the time that you were growing up, it was a country that very much opposed this sort of fringe, communist, radical movement.
00:06:25.000And now, as you mentioned, this has become the mainstream in the United States.
00:06:28.000The counterculture is now the culture, and the culture is now the counterculture.
00:06:32.000How is it that the arguments that you were making when you were young and that you grew out of and realized were wrong, how have they gained such unbelievable cultural purchase?
00:06:41.000First of all, let me say, you know, if you're being attacked by Marxists, they always say you're selling out if you move to the right.
00:06:47.000In fact, you know, I would be the subject of a Hollywood movie if I had stayed on the left and written my autobiography.
00:08:16.000I got no support from the conservative movement, you know, to protect academic freedom in the schools and stop the indoctrination that was going on.
00:08:27.000It's only now that people are beginning to wake up.
00:08:30.000So you have a whole generation that have no idea what America is about.
00:08:35.000You know, to them, you know, they've been all brought up on the communist Howard Zins, people's history of the United States.
00:08:45.000They think, you know, the way they look at the founding is it's a bunch of slave owners and racists.
00:08:53.000I mean, every black person in America owes a debt of gratitude to this country for declaring for the first time in 3,000 years, in 1776, that all men are created equal and have a God-given right to liberty.
00:09:11.000And then within a little over a generation, sacrificing 350,000, mainly white lives, to free the slaves when they were all enslaved by black Africans and sold at auctions in Africa.
00:09:27.000So, you know, the reality is that black people enslaved each other and white people liberated them. But to say that in today's climate, what makes me a racist?
00:09:40.000So David, I think it's important here to point out that your bona fides with regard to race, particularly of the left, were pretty sterling up until you made the move to the right.
00:09:50.000So you started off in solidarity with, for example, the Black Panther Party.
00:09:54.000What was it in your story, for folks who don't know, that drove you away from that?
00:09:58.000Well, the Black Panthers murdered a friend of mine.
00:10:01.000I had raised a lot of money and bought a Baptist church in East Oakland and turned it into a learning center for the Panther children.
00:10:11.000And I believed our own propaganda, so I thought the state is racist, and if they don't keep If they don't keep their books properly, I created a tax-exempt foundation to fund this school.
00:10:26.000If they don't keep proper books, they'll be closed down.
00:10:31.000I mean, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have violated the tax laws for half a century and nobody's going to touch them because they're black and leftist.
00:11:28.000That happened about simultaneously when the left was permitting, was not protesting the slaughter of two and a half million Indochinese peasants by the communists.
00:11:40.000I knew that the left was evil and I dedicated the rest of my life to fighting it.
00:11:46.000David, let's talk for a second about the shift that we've seen over the past half century or more from the sort of class-based argument that used to be made by Marxists to a pretty openly race-based argument that is now made by Marxists.
00:11:58.000It's a sort of fascinating shift because obviously Marxism is a class-based conflict.
00:12:03.000The idea is class solidarity regardless of color.
00:12:06.000And now that's been transmuted into the sort of intersectional Racial conflagration that we've seen where instead of being a class-based conflict It's supposed to be a race-based conflict that poor white Appalachians are not in fact poor and white They are privileged and rich black people are not in fact privileged They are black and everything can be divided by race as opposed to by class and yet somehow this fits within the Marxist box How did that happen?
00:12:39.000Everything that he said of any importance has been proven false over the last 150 years.
00:12:49.000We knew that the proletariat was not going to be a revolutionary force because if you remember, well you're too young to remember, but the hardhats in the 60s, the construction workers were beating up new leftists when they did their marches.
00:13:10.000So, the working class was not going to make a revolution, and so it was natural to move to cultural Marxism.
00:13:20.000An Italian communist named Antonio Gramsci came up with this theory that the attack on the class system was misplaced, we should be attacking, leftists should be attacking the culture.
00:13:36.000And as it happened, the Vietnam War came along, and the left didn't want to fight the communists in Vietnam, so they stayed in the universities and became professors, and they made this the curriculum.
00:13:50.000Cultural Marxism is the menace that we face today.
00:14:00.000Black people good, white people bad, but of course it's not all black people that are good.
00:14:07.000If they're conservatives, then they're race traitors.
00:14:12.000But, you know, today's generations don't have the basic knowledge.
00:14:17.000For example, when I came out of the left, We have been attacking America.
00:14:25.000And when I saw how evil the left was, I took a second look at America.
00:14:31.000And it was an ingenious political system they created of checks and balances.
00:14:38.000And what I describe in my new book, The Enemy Within, is how the Democrat Party, you look at the Democrat Party over the last decade, they are systematically destroying The American political system.
00:14:53.000If you pack the Supreme Court, you eliminate the independent judiciary and legislators not only appoint the Supreme Court justices, but they get to make any law they want, unconstitutional or not.
00:16:28.000They attack, they demonize their opponents.
00:16:32.000If you're a Republican, according to Nancy Pelosi, you're an enemy of the state.
00:16:37.000How much clearer do you need to hear it from them that they're fascists?
00:16:43.000What happened on January 6th reminds me of the Reichstag fire.
00:16:48.000If you read Trump's speech that he gave on January—first of all, Trump asked in advance—he offered to provide 10,000 troops to guard the Capitol on January 6th because he knew it was a volatile situation.
00:17:03.000He was turned down deliberately by Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats, so there were no troops there.
00:17:09.000The speech he gave said, This was a rigged election, which it obviously was.
00:18:25.000Five months later, they're still in jail.
00:18:32.000Parole or whatever you call it, without bail, because the Democrats have this myth of an armed insurrection that they want to use to create a one-party state to so demonize the opposition they call for the expulsion of Senators Wally and Cruz For questioning the election.
00:18:54.000The Democrats have questioned every Republican victory in the national election since 1980, including they have never accepted as legitimate the Trump presidency.
00:19:07.000So they're hypocrites, they're liars, but the most important thing is that they're fascists.
00:19:21.000The first thing the Nazis did was burn their own capital, which was the Reichstag.
00:19:26.000Then they blamed it on a Dutch communist.
00:19:29.000Then they passed the Reichstag Fire Act.
00:19:35.000Which criminalized their opponents and set the foundations for the Third Reich.
00:19:41.000And I know this sounds inflammatory, but it's dead-on accurate to what's happening in our country.
00:19:48.000If you look now, the Jews are under attack from Palestinian Nazis, who openly call for the genocide of the Jews, the destruction of Israel, and making it Jufri, Judenrein, which is what the Nazis called it.
00:20:06.000And you have in Chicago yesterday demonstrations from these Nazi leftists.
00:20:12.000We have to start calling things by their right names.
00:20:16.000The Democrats call Republicans enemies of the state, armed insurrectionists, traitors, white supremacists, racists.
00:20:26.000And the McCarthy Republicans are calling them liberals.
00:20:45.000So David, I want to get into a little bit of the detail of what you talked about there on January 6th and some of the details that you mentioned about the election.
00:20:51.000So you suggested that the election is rigged. I just wanted to dig a little deeper there as to what you mean by that.
00:20:56.000So I don't see the evidence that fraud and irregularity are responsible for the vote outcome.
00:21:01.000I've said that the election was rigged by the media, that the media have obscured every single fact in that election cycle.
00:21:07.000That the media blacked out all coverage of Hunter Biden for the last month of the election.
00:21:10.000They lied openly about what was going on with COVID.
00:21:13.000They suggested that Andrew Cuomo knew what he was doing, but Trump was somehow at fault for the vast wave of COVID.
00:21:18.000They suggested that Trump was a vicious racist who was about to establish a tyrannical government despite No evidence that tyranny was on the way.
00:21:27.000They suggested that he was a Russian cat's paw.
00:21:29.000That basically, if you're talking about the sort of informal rigging of an election, the media are the political communications arm of the Democratic Party at this point, and that's enough to twist an election.
00:21:40.000Now, when you say rig the election, what exactly do you mean?
00:21:42.000Well, in my book, The Enemy Within, I describe what happened in July of 2020, about, what is that, six or seven months out from the election.
00:21:55.000The Democrats sent 600 lawyers and 10,000 volunteers into the 50 states to change the election laws so that it would benefit themselves.
00:22:08.000And what they did was unconstitutional.
00:22:11.000For example, in Pennsylvania, well, first of all, the Constitution says the election laws are set up by each individual state.
00:22:25.000So the 50 state legislatures are supposed to set the rules.
00:22:30.000In Pennsylvania, for example, they changed the law so that the Supreme Court, which was run by the Democrats of Pennsylvania, they made the election laws.
00:22:41.000And they did it In a way that biased that.
00:22:45.000There's about a million 4.4 votes that were illegally cast because they were cast in contravention of the existing rules, but with the new rules set up by the Democrat Supreme Court.
00:23:08.000I don't claim that the election was decided by fraud.
00:23:14.000I claim that there was massive fraud committed during the election.
00:23:19.000We cannot say for certain, and certainly the Democrats when they accuse anybody who questions the election of treason are talking through their hats, because there has been no audit, none of the election result.
00:23:33.000And that's because of the war the Democrats have conducted against every effort to actually recount the votes and look at what actually happened.
00:23:45.000Trump got 10 million more votes than he got the first time, despite all the slander of the media.
00:23:52.000Biden Couldn't hold a campaign from his basement.
00:24:12.000This guy, who couldn't assemble a crowd of larger than 100 people, Well, Trump was assembling crowds of 50,000 in little towns like Butler, Pennsylvania, population 1240.
00:24:26.000And we're asked to believe that Joe Biden got 16 million more votes than Obama did at his peak.
00:24:37.000So, any reasonable person, and there's so many other facts that have come out about this, and I've listed a lot of them in my book, The Enemy Within.
00:24:51.000You have to be smoking something to think that that election is not problematic.
00:24:56.000And basically, that's what Republicans are saying.
00:24:59.000You know, Trump, as he should, as a leader, as the person who was probably deprived, let's put it that way, of the presidency, but certainly the subject of massive irregularities, he has every right to claim that it was fraudulent.
00:25:18.000The Democrats have no right to claim that there was no fraud, because that's just demonstrably a lie.
00:25:26.000David, when you talked about January 6th, obviously the response by the Democrats to January 6th, from my view, regardless of what you think of January 6th, and I thought that it was a horrible sight to see people invading the Capitol, I thought that, you know, Language of insurrection was a bizarre use of the term, considering that there was no institutional support for anything that was done there.
00:25:46.000In fact, the election was certified later that day by the same Republicans who are supposedly aiding in the insurrection.
00:25:51.000Cruz and Hawley voted to certify the election that same day.
00:25:55.000Putting aside January 6th for a second, The authoritarian left's move against freedom of speech in the aftermath of that is the thing that alarms me significantly more than 200, 300 misguided people invading the Capitol in defiance of what Trump actually said.
00:26:10.000The fact is that they knocked Parler offline.
00:26:12.000They decided that they were going to start in the media openly militating for Fox News to be removed from the air.
00:26:20.000They started suggesting that advertisers needed to pull from every single conservative oriented show.
00:26:25.000And then they started pushing forward with things like HR1, which is a, that actually is an attempt to rig elections by federalizing all election procedures up to and including ballot harvesting.
00:26:35.000They want to legislate what they actually did in this last election.
00:26:39.000To federalize it is a tremendous blow at the structure of our country, which is a federalist country.
00:26:48.000We have 50 states making election laws.
00:26:51.000So if you have one or two or three corrupt states, you still have an election that's Got integrity, mainly.
00:26:59.000But if you put it all in Washington and you put it in the hands of the Democrats, forget it.
00:27:05.000But they've been waging a war against the First Amendment, you know, since Trump's nomination, actually, before that, but certainly since Trump's nomination.
00:27:14.000You know, look, to go back to where it really started, they called Bush Hitler.
00:27:20.000You can't, in a democracy, if you demonize your opponents, if you call them Hitlerites, it's the end.
00:29:05.000The founders were absolutely brilliant.
00:29:08.000They put sovereignty in the hands of the people because they understand that individuals can be corrupt.
00:29:15.000And therefore a monarch can be a very dangerous leader, a ruler.
00:29:21.000So they put sovereignty in the hands of the people.
00:29:24.000But because, actually as readers of the Judeo-Christian Bible, they knew that the problem, the source of all social problems is not race, it's not gender.
00:29:50.000The founders understood the danger of pure democracy, so they put in a system of checks and balances, which kids are not being taught anymore.
00:30:00.000They're just being taught about imaginary white racism in school and gender fluidity.
00:30:08.000That's the curriculum now in our schools.
00:30:11.000But the founders understood the basic problem is individuals.
00:30:17.000And, you know, it's mind-boggling to me because now we have all these television programs, you know, about murders on almost every channel.
00:30:38.000And the Democrats are dismantling and dedicated to dismantling the system that has worked, you know, for 240 years or whatever, however long we've been here.
00:30:51.000So let's talk about the Democratic Party.
00:30:52.000So it used to be that the Democratic Party was the party of Harry Truman, or the party of Scoop Jackson, or more recently the party of Joe Lieberman to a certain extent.
00:31:00.000And now they seem to have completely lost their moorings.
00:31:03.000Nancy Pelosi, who was a fringe left-wing figure, is now the Speaker of the House.
00:31:07.000Chuck Schumer, who was a fringe left-wing figure, is now the Senate Majority Leader.
00:31:12.000And Joe Biden, who is basically just an empty suit at this point.
00:31:16.000I mean, they're just wheeling him around.
00:31:18.000is supposedly running the show, but it's fairly obvious that the Democratic Party has become extraordinarily radical.
00:31:23.000The radicals from the 1960s entered all the halls of power.
00:31:26.000So what happened to the Democratic Party?
00:31:27.000Yeah, Kamala Harris grew up in a family of Marxists.
00:31:32.000Bernie Sanders is a lifelong supporter of communist atrocities.
00:31:36.000He's the head of the Budget Committee.
00:31:45.000But where it started to go bad was at the Democrat convention in 1968, when Tom Hayden organized a riot to destroy the electoral chances of Hubert Humphrey, who had been Lyndon Johnson's vice president and was the Democrat nominee for president.
00:32:03.000They hated Humphrey with a 95% ADA liberal.
00:32:25.000They hate America, and they are either stupid or blind.
00:32:32.000They're blinded by their hatred of America, just the way they're blinded by their hatred of Trump, to see the reality of the threats that face us.
00:32:44.000After that riot, Humphrey lost the election to Nixon.
00:32:48.000And then Tom Hayden and Jane Fonda led the left, which had been trying to burn down the country.
00:32:54.000There were many, many bombings in the late 60s and early 70s.
00:33:00.000They led these leftists who were trying to destroy the country into the Democrat Party during the McGovern campaign, because McGovern had started with a, you know, the pro-communist Henry Wallace.
00:33:12.000That's where he started his political career.
00:33:16.000And the theme of his campaign was America, come home, like we were the problem instead of the solution.
00:33:25.000And they created these leftist caucuses, the Black Caucus, which is a Farrakhanite racist caucus now.
00:33:33.000Clyburn, who James Clyburn, who made single-handedly almost Biden the nominee, is a Farrakhan lover.
00:33:46.000The most notorious racist, anti-Semite, anti-gay bigot in the country, Louis Farrakhan, who from Tehran has chanted death to America.
00:34:03.000So, over the next 50 years, the left infiltrated the Democrat Party, and they were helped by their control of the universities, which has been now 30 years, turning it into a Marxist training camp.
00:34:18.000Our premier universities, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, whatever.
00:34:25.000They infiltrated the Democrat Party and changed it.
00:34:29.000And their success came with the election of Barack Obama, who has the same background I do.
00:35:55.000So David, one of the things that has been pursued obviously by the left is that they do think in institutional terms.
00:36:00.000The right has a real problem thinking In institutional terms, probably because for conservatives, politics is really about treating individuals as individuals.
00:36:08.000All of our political views are rooted in the idea that you're supposed to treat individuals individually, as human beings endowed with particular rights.
00:36:15.000The left, however, is very focused on taking over institutions and then shaping human beings from the top down.
00:36:21.000And treating everybody as a collectivity, just the way communists and Nazis do.
00:36:31.000Your group identity is more important than who you actually are as an individual.
00:36:37.000This is the most destructive ideology you can imagine.
00:36:43.000You know, Joe Biden, one of the first things he said, and this is the theme of his administration, he said that Systemic racism touches every aspect of American life.
00:36:59.000That is a monstrous lie worthy of Xi Jinping or of the Iranian mullahs or of Putin himself.
00:37:10.000There is no—the only systemic racism in America is affirmative action.
00:37:15.000And to get that through, they had to get a pass from the Supreme Court as a special case, because systemic racism was outlawed in 1964 by the Civil Rights Act.
00:38:27.000I mean, I think that the right thought for decades that the corporate world was going to be free market oriented.
00:38:32.000And it turns out that now the corporate world is indoctrinating its own employees in the same sort of critical race theory that the universities were indoctrinating their students with in the late 1980s, early 1990s.
00:38:43.000Yeah, because people respond to demonization and pressure.
00:39:43.000Where are the conservative organizations, grassroots?
00:39:47.000Well, Donald Trump has given the conservative movement and the country a great gift because he has created the first mass conservative movement in our history.
00:40:00.000It's clearly numbered in the millions, but just if you just think of the hundreds of thousands of people who turned out for his campaign rallies, that's That's the basic army that can save our country.
00:40:16.000Again, conservatives need to get in the face of these teachers.
00:40:22.000Look what the teacher unions have done.
00:40:24.000They've damaged the lives of millions of K-12 kids because they don't want to teach, they just want to collect their paychecks.
00:40:35.000You've got to go in the face of the teachers, of the principals, of the school boards.
00:40:43.000At Twitter headquarters or Facebook, making their lives miserable and exposing to them, the press will flock to it.
00:40:52.000And you can tell the whole country what censors they are and what fascists they are, basically, and what hypocrites, since we know they let Iranian mullahs preached the death of America on their sites while banning the president of the United States.
00:41:10.000I mean, what greater act of censorship is there than to de-platform the president of the United States, which they've done?
00:41:20.000So what conservatives have to do is they have to start being more aggressive, calling things by their right names.
00:41:28.000Use words like fascist when it's fascistic.
00:41:35.000To demonize your opponents with no evidence whatsoever, to call Republicans what happened on January 6th, an armed insurrection, is the way fascists deploy politics, not You know, Americans, not small-D Democrats.
00:42:11.000And it's true that the media is a bunch of liars.
00:42:16.000What happened to the media is that in the old days, reporters actually never went to college.
00:42:23.000They went out on the streets and they reported what they saw.
00:42:27.000But these journalism schools have been corrupt for 30 years.
00:42:31.000You know, I had lunch with the chairman of the journalism department, a decent left-of-center person, and I asked him, I said, Do you have any conservatives on your journalism faculty?
00:43:16.000All these elite institutions are one-party states.
00:43:20.000You know this better than anyone, Ben, what one-party states the universities are.
00:43:25.000If a conservative appears on campus, he gets boycotted by professors, and the left comes into his event and turns it into a circus, and the administrators think it's funny.
00:43:38.000So David, let's talk a little bit about how you got to be David Horwitz.
00:43:41.000Obviously now you're sort of one of the grandfathers of the modern conservative movement.
00:43:46.000But again, you started off in sort of a communist family.
00:43:49.000What was it like growing up a communist?
00:43:51.000Well, I've had a pretty successful life, so I can't complain.
00:44:01.000I mean, I don't think my mother ever got a traffic ticket.
00:44:04.000But of course, they hid an East German communist in the basement, whom the country was trying to deport.
00:44:15.000So they were part of a conspiratorial movement and everything everyone we knew and trusted was a communist as well.
00:44:27.000You know, it gave me a passion for social justice.
00:44:31.000And then I had a rude awakening when I was editing Ramparts magazine, the largest magazine of the New Left, and the Panthers murdered, they not only murdered this mother of three children, And threatened me.
00:44:50.000But all my friends said, you know, I would say to my close friends, the Panthers murdered Betty.
00:44:59.000And they would say, no, the white power structure did it, which is the way leftists think.
00:45:04.000They think in terms of anything that takes away individual responsibility, structures, races, classes.
00:46:20.000The left never looks back and takes responsibility, or the two and a half million peasants they cause to be slaughtered in no China.
00:46:30.000You'll have leaders of the Democratic Party boast about being on the periphery of the so-called anti-war movement to this day.
00:46:38.000So the left never gets to look at what it does.
00:46:43.000What's happened in a way is the time frame has collapsed.
00:46:48.000So the left now, the Democrats, they don't see what they did yesterday, like accusing the Republicans of treason for questioning election, when in the previous election, Raskin, who led the impeachment of Trump, He was in the well of the house protesting the certification of the electors in the Trump election.
00:47:13.000They don't seem to remember what happened yesterday, let alone 20 years ago.
00:47:18.000David, how did your parents become communists?
00:47:20.000Because your story really isn't just you moving from communist to non-communist.
00:47:24.000It's almost a generational story of sort.
00:47:59.000In the radical caucus in the Democratic House.
00:48:06.000So joining this, and it's an international movement, all over the world there are totalitarians posing as communists or fascists or Islamic Nazis.
00:48:24.000And they get a lot of power by doing it.
00:50:17.000And the effort to change the world is what has caused over a hundred million people to be killed by progressives in the last hundred years or so.
00:50:30.000And what did they produce for all those deaths?
00:51:27.000One was the hippie movement, which was relatively benign except for all the people who ended or ruined their lives on drugs.
00:51:39.000But the attitude was great, flower power and all that.
00:51:44.000Then there was the political movement, and there was a movement to rescue Communism from the taint it had received when Khrushchev revealed that Stalin had killed so many communists.
00:52:13.000If human beings set out to recreate the world, if they think they can change the world, look, if you believe that you could end racism, sexism, homophobia, poverty, war, what lie would you not tell?
00:52:28.000What crime would you not commit or support to achieve that?
00:52:33.000That's why they are so immoral and evil, because they have a justification for any crime you can imagine.
00:52:44.000And they, you know, they give even, you know, just to bring it down to a lurid level, how do you think that Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein function in liberal circles?
00:52:58.000It's because they don't give a damn about human beings.
00:53:06.000Why would you defund the police, who are the only protection that inner-city minorities have?
00:53:13.000Why would you open the southern border and let in all the coronavirus carriers and the criminals and the drug traffickers and the sex traffickers and the child abusers?
00:54:21.000That's what totalitarians do, that's what they are.
00:54:24.000The ideas are more important than the human relationships.
00:54:29.000The second thing is, Peter Collier and I, we had run ramparts together and we transitioned out of the left together, and we wrote a cover story For the Washington Post, which at the time, which they titled, it was their Sunday magazine, Lefties for Reagan.
00:55:17.000You know, when we were attacked by the Kennedys, it was a book about the Kennedys, by the Kennedys, the Post considered us important enough to assign Woodward to examine the story and give us a clean bill of health.
00:55:33.000But Peter turned to me when our article, Lefties for Reagan, appeared and said, our literary careers are over.
00:55:42.000And I thought he was nuts, you know, but there was a lot of truth in that.
00:55:50.000I don't get reviewed in the New York Times or the Washington Post.
00:55:53.000I used to be front page of the book sections.
00:56:37.000Conservatives are now in the culture and fighting in the culture, and that's great.
00:56:41.000So, David, I was going to ask you a little bit earlier about, you know, whether there is any hope coming from sort of center and people who are who are actual liberals, you know, people who may disagree with you or with me on tax rates or may disagree on the role of government and health care, but still are fundamentally committed to certain basic individual liberty principles.
00:57:07.000But like Glenn Greenwald used to, you know, tear into me and call me all kinds of names.
00:57:14.000And I recently emailed him and said, I have to say, even though you said harsh things about me, I admire your courage and determination to, you know, fight for our individual liberties.
00:59:26.000You know, you don't have to actually do a lot of research.
00:59:30.000You just look what happened in Ohio when that cop saved the life of a black teen who was in the process of being stabbed to death by another black who said, I'm going to effing stab you to death.
01:00:08.000So David, in a second, I want to ask you a few final questions.
01:00:11.000I want to talk with you particularly about sort of your spiritual journey, because you've moved in sort of an interesting direction spiritually over the course of your career.
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01:00:31.000David, thanks so much for joining the show.