The Ben Shapiro Show - DEBATE DAY IS HERE

00:00:00.000 Tonight is the big presidential debate, the most important presidential debate of my lifetime, for sure.

00:00:05.000 And we have a Daily Wire backstage happening live.

00:00:08.000 Our pre-show starts 8.30 p.m.

00:00:10.000 Eastern at the Daily Wire app and dailywire.com.

00:00:13.000 Join Matt Walsh, Michael Molls, Andrew Klavan, Jeremy Boring, and me for expert analysis and unfiltered commentary on this debate.

00:00:20.000 See you there.

00:00:20.000 You're going to want to be there.

00:00:21.000 So who is the burden on with regard to this debate?

00:00:25.000 Who needs the debate more?

00:00:27.000 The answer right now, Joe Biden needs this debate.

00:00:30.000 He needs to win this debate.

00:00:31.000 It is not enough, actually, for Joe Biden to just remain alive.

00:00:35.000 Because if all of the priors going into this debate remain after the debate, questions about his health, questions about his fitness, questions about his policy, if the focus is on Joe Biden after this debate, Joe Biden is going to lose.

00:00:49.000 He needs a radical change in the direction of this electoral cycle in order for him to win.

00:00:53.000 So just a week ago, there was a lot of talk about how maybe Joe Biden had regained momentum.

00:00:57.000 The polls were tightening up.

00:00:58.000 There were a couple of national polls showing Joe Biden up very, very slightly within the margin of error on Donald Trump nationally.

00:01:04.000 But now we have a bevy of new polls.

00:01:05.000 And what they're showing is that Donald Trump is actually pulling away.

00:01:09.000 This is a disaster area for Joe Biden.

00:01:12.000 Donald Trump now has the largest lead in the RealClearPolitics national average that he has had in three months.

00:01:17.000 He is up by nearly two points in that RealClearPolitics national average.

00:01:21.000 Not just that, we have a couple of national polls that are mirroring one another.

00:01:24.000 The New York Times is so freaked out about this, because they're one of the polls, that they are trying to determine whether they're an outlier poll or not.

00:01:31.000 There are certain polls in every cycle that are a little bit different than all the other polls, and sometimes the outliers are right.

00:01:35.000 But here's the thing.

00:01:36.000 It's not really an outlier when the same couple of days you release your poll, there's another poll from Quinnipiac that mirrors your poll.

00:01:43.000 So Quinnipiac has been a very pro-Biden poll throughout this entire electoral process.

00:01:48.000 According to Quinnipiac, Trump is now at 49.

00:01:51.000 If you're looking at registered voters, including leaders, Biden is at just 45.

00:01:57.000 Trump currently has a 10-point advantage with independents.

00:02:01.000 Now, that means that Joe Biden is going to lose.

00:02:03.000 If those numbers are correct, Joe Biden is going to lose this election.

00:02:06.000 Quinnipiac has shown Biden tied or leading virtually the entire cycle.

00:02:11.000 It turns out that about 73% of respondents in the Quinnipiac poll say they're going to watch the debate tonight, which means that Joe Biden needs a strong showing.

00:02:19.000 He particularly needs a strong showing because there is a Times-Siena poll out that shows that Joe Biden is also down four points.

00:02:27.000 Right now, he is down 48-44.

00:02:29.000 That is the biggest lead that Donald Trump has had in the National Times Siena poll among likely voters in months.

00:02:37.000 Trump's lead with registered voters is 6 percentage points.

00:02:41.000 So in other words, a higher turnout election is now better for Donald Trump.

00:02:46.000 These numbers are awful numbers for Joe Biden.

00:02:48.000 Truly terrible numbers for Joe Biden.

00:02:52.000 When you look at the swing states, it's even worse for Joe Biden.

00:02:56.000 According to a report from the Washington Post, polling in the swing states shows that more than half of voters in six swing states that Biden narrowly won in 2020 Say that threats to democracy are extremely important to their vote.

00:03:11.000 But the problem is that more of those voters actually believe that Trump will handle threats to democracy better than Biden.

00:03:17.000 So in other words, the entire Biden message that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy, January 6th, elections and nihilism, that message is totally falling flat.

00:03:25.000 Because it turns out that when people look at Joe Biden and they look at his executive actions, which are in fact tyrannical, when they look at him ranting about how he's going to end around the Supreme Court, When they look at the fact that he has used executive agencies to do things like quote-unquote relieve student loan debt or attempt to cram down vaccine mandates on 80 million Americans, they don't think that Joe Biden is standing for democracy.

00:03:47.000 According to the Washington Post, the results offer troubling indicators for Biden, who needs voters who may be unenthusiastic about his candidacy to decide they must reject Trump to preserve America's system of representative government.

00:03:58.000 Justin Guest, professor of policy and government at George Mason University, says many Americans don't recognize Biden's custodianship of our democracy.

00:04:04.000 That is a bad sign for his campaign.

00:04:08.000 The polls surveyed the views of over 3,500 registered voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin in April and May.

00:04:16.000 Of those who were surveyed, about two-thirds of them were classified as deciders.

00:04:21.000 Those would be sort of independent voters who have flipped or who do not plan to vote for either Biden or Trump this year.

00:04:26.000 And as it turns out, Among all key state voters, 44% say that they believe that Donald Trump would do a better job handling threats to democracy than Joe Biden.

00:04:37.000 Only 33% of voters say Biden would do a better job handling threats to democracy than Donald Trump.

00:04:43.000 If those poll numbers are anything remotely like accurate, Joe Biden is toast unless he has a magnificent performance tonight in the debate.

00:04:50.000 Because that is the tip of the spear of Biden's entire argument.

00:04:54.000 It may not even just be the tip of the spear.

00:04:55.000 It's the whole spear.

00:04:56.000 There's nothing else.

00:04:57.000 He can't run on the economy.

00:04:58.000 People don't like the economy.

00:04:59.000 He can't run on his foreign policy. 1.00

00:05:00.000 His foreign policy is a burning dumpster fire of trash and excrement. 1.00

00:05:04.000 So what exactly is he going to run on? 1.00

00:05:05.000 He can't run on the border.

00:05:06.000 He can't run on social policy.

00:05:08.000 What exactly is he gonna run on?

00:05:10.000 His entire campaign was predicated on his speech at Independence Hall, blood red in the background, where he declared himself the man standing in the breach on behalf of democracy.

00:05:20.000 If more Americans in the swing states believe that he is the threat to democracy than Donald Trump, that dude is toast.

00:05:27.000 Not only that, look at the crosstabs in this New York Times poll. 0.96

00:05:29.000 They're insane.

00:05:30.000 Okay, so the crosstabs, when we refer to those, those are the breakdowns by various age, sex, Racial group in the United States and how they're going to vote.

00:05:40.000 These numbers are crazy.

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00:06:49.000 So, here's the question from the New York Times.

00:06:50.000 Thinking ahead to the presidential general election, are you almost certain that you will vote, very likely to vote, somewhat likely to vote, not very likely to vote, or not at all likely to vote?

00:06:58.000 The reason this matters is because Voter enthusiasm is going to mean an awful lot when it comes to this election.

00:07:03.000 If Trump voters are jazzed to go, which we are, and if Biden voters are not jazzed to go, which they are not, Trump is going to walk over Biden.

00:07:11.000 That's the simple fact of the matter.

00:07:13.000 Again, the most important statistic that I know of with regard to the 2024 election is going to be voter turnout.

00:07:21.000 If you look at total number of votes by presidential election, What you will see, as I've said this many times before, what you will see is that there's an elevation in most presidential elections of perhaps three to five million votes.

00:07:36.000 In terms of total numbers of votes cast.

00:07:38.000 So for example, 2012, there were about 129 million votes cast.

00:07:40.000 In 2016, there were about 136 million votes cast.

00:07:42.000 So an increase of about 10 million between 2012 and 2016.

00:07:44.000 In 2020, there were 158 million votes cast.

00:07:46.000 That's an increase of 22 million votes.

00:07:48.000 between 2012 and 2016.

00:07:50.000 In 2020, there were 158 million votes cast.

00:07:54.000 That's an increase of 22 million votes.

00:07:57.000 By the way, 2012 was actually down from 2008.

00:08:01.000 And so if you add 22 million new voters to the mix in 2020, do you think that that's going to replicate itself in 2024?

00:08:11.000 In 2020, everybody voted from home.

00:08:13.000 Everybody voted four months in advance of the election.

00:08:16.000 The ballot harvesting was insane.

00:08:18.000 That is not going to replicate this time.

00:08:19.000 How many of those marginal, low-propensity voters were Biden voters in 2020?

00:08:23.000 The answer is an awful lot.

00:08:25.000 So if you look at the demographics that Joe Biden needs to draw, the enthusiasm among those demographics is extraordinarily low.

00:08:33.000 So, according to the New York Times, only 38% of people aged 18 to 29 say they are almost certain to vote.

00:08:40.000 Another 23% say that they are very likely to vote.

00:08:43.000 So count those in like the, we're definitely voting category.

00:08:47.000 Hey, that means only 61% of people 18 to 29 say they are almost certain or very likely to vote.

00:08:54.000 Compare that to the 76% of people aged 30 to 44.

00:08:59.000 Or the 87% of people aged 45 to 64.

00:09:03.000 Those are demographics that Donald Trump is doing much better with.

00:09:06.000 Young people, in other words.

00:09:08.000 They're not all that interested in voting.

00:09:09.000 And it turns out that middle-aged and older people are very interested in voting.

00:09:13.000 Go to race, ethnicity.

00:09:14.000 So as we'll get to in a moment, Donald Trump is wildly outperforming right now among racial minorities.

00:09:20.000 But even put that aside, the voter enthusiasm numbers with racial minorities for this election cycle, extremely low.

00:09:27.000 So among white voters, 86% say they are almost certain or very likely to vote in the upcoming election.

00:09:34.000 Compare that with just 76% of black voters.

00:09:38.000 That is a low voter turnout.

00:09:41.000 How about Hispanic voters?

00:09:42.000 Hispanic voters, only 62% say they're almost certain or very likely to vote.

00:09:48.000 In other words, the demographics, middle-aged white people, that are most likely to vote are demographics that are also most likely to vote Trump.

00:09:56.000 That is a massive problem for Joe Biden, a serious problem.

00:10:00.000 And then look at the actual numbers here.

00:10:02.000 If the 2024 presidential election were held today, who would you vote for between Biden and Trump?

00:10:07.000 This includes leaners, people who say, well, I don't really know, but here's who I'm leaning toward.

00:10:12.000 This poll shows that if you include leaners, Donald Trump is up 48 to 42 on Joe Biden, a six point lead, a disastrous result for Joe Biden.

00:10:22.000 10% say they don't know or they refuse.

00:10:24.000 You figure those are going to split right down the middle.

00:10:27.000 If anything, they might favor Trump.

00:10:28.000 There might be a bunch of people who don't want to tell the New York Times they're going to vote for Trump.

00:10:32.000 Now look at these numbers.

00:10:33.000 Joe Biden loses to Donald Trump among men, 54 to 36.

00:10:38.000 He only wins women, 47 to 43. 0.91

00:10:41.000 He's only winning young people, 46 to 40, which is an awful number for him.

00:10:46.000 Totally terrible number for him.

00:10:48.000 Look at the ethnicity, okay? 0.72

00:10:50.000 By ethnicity.

00:10:51.000 Trump is winning white voters, 53-38 in this poll.

00:10:54.000 He's losing black voters, 59-30.

00:10:59.000 If Donald Trump wins 30% of the black vote, this election isn't just over.

00:11:02.000 It is a clobbering of historic proportions.

00:11:04.000 That'd be the largest percentage of the black vote any Republican candidate has won since Richard Nixon in 1972.

00:11:09.000 That is a massive number.

00:11:13.000 Understand, in 2020, Donald Trump won 5% of the black vote.

00:11:18.000 So 6x that, and you're looking at Donald Trump's numbers in this poll.

00:11:22.000 Then you get to Hispanics. 0.99

00:11:23.000 Donald Trump is running dead even with Joe Biden among Hispanics.

00:11:26.000 45-44 for Biden.

00:11:30.000 By the way, if you take out the leaners, like the people who are certain to vote a particular way, Donald Trump actually wins a plurality of Hispanics.

00:11:37.000 31-28.

00:11:39.000 These numbers are a full-scale disaster area for Joe Biden.

00:11:43.000 Which means the burden is on him.

00:11:45.000 For sure, for sure.

00:11:49.000 According to the Washington Post, Donald Trump is now leading in five of the seven battleground states most likely to determine the outcome of the election.

00:11:55.000 And it turns out that in two of the other states, he's basically tied.

00:11:59.000 He's within the margin of error.

00:12:02.000 According to the Washington Post, they are tied in Pennsylvania.

00:12:05.000 Biden is up less than a percentage point in Wisconsin.

00:12:07.000 Trump is up three in Michigan.

00:12:10.000 Now remember, that's a state that Biden won by three.

00:12:11.000 It's a six-point shift in Michigan.

00:12:13.000 In North Carolina, Trump is up four.

00:12:14.000 In Nevada, Trump is up five.

00:12:16.000 In Arizona, he's up five.

00:12:17.000 In Georgia, he's up five.

00:12:20.000 Disaster area polling numbers for Joe Biden heading into this election cycle.

00:12:24.000 Truly disastrous.

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00:13:40.000 According to Silver, his model is largely the same as the one he built for 538 and used for the 2020 election.

00:13:46.000 This is according to Mediaite, but adjusting for turnout dynamics, factoring in the increased relevance of third-party candidates like Robert Kennedy Jr.

00:13:52.000 this time around and without some COVID-specific assumptions.

00:13:57.000 And his conclusion is that while either candidate could certainly win, the reality is that Donald Trump right now has about a two-thirds chance of winning, according to Nate Silver.

00:14:11.000 That's a crazy number.

00:14:14.000 He points out that in 2012, he said that's a race that looks a lot like this race.

00:14:19.000 He says that he thought that when the model was launched, Obama was actually about a 60% favorite.

00:14:25.000 In this particular case, Trump is a 66% favorite.

00:14:29.000 That doesn't mean for sure he's gonna win.

00:14:30.000 Remember that all the models had Hillary Clinton like a 99% favorite in 2016 and then she lost.

00:14:37.000 With that said, He says if Biden loses Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada, he needs to win all three of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, not just one of them.

00:14:46.000 Even though these states are pretty heavily correlated, they aren't perfectly correlated.

00:14:49.000 Winning several different correlated bets is still hard.

00:14:53.000 These states have significant differences.

00:14:56.000 In simulations, Biden wins at least one of the states 54% of the time, but he only wins all three of them, 32% of the simulations.

00:15:03.000 Biden also has to hold on to states like New Hampshire and Virginia and New Mexico and Minnesota and Nebraska's second congressional district in the blue wall saves the day scenario.

00:15:12.000 That's not quite a sure thing, says Nate Silver, given Biden's mediocre polling elsewhere in the Northeast.

00:15:18.000 In the Sunbelt swing states, Biden trails badly.

00:15:21.000 So badly that he's out of the normal range of polling error scenarios.

00:15:25.000 And he either needs a big polling error or something fundamental to change about the race.

00:15:30.000 That's the glass half full view of Biden's perspective in this particular election.

00:15:36.000 He says that they have a polls plus model over at 538 Nate Silver.

00:15:40.000 The polls plus model incorporates assumptions about incumbency and the economy.

00:15:44.000 He says this is slightly better than the polls only forecast, but it would be easier to get carried away.

00:15:49.000 He says the fundamentals are not that great for Biden.

00:15:52.000 They currently project him to win the popular vote by maybe two to three percentage points.

00:15:56.000 That would make this a toss-up race, given Biden's problems in the Electoral College.

00:16:01.000 He says the problem is the economy isn't all that good.

00:16:04.000 Real GDP grew by 2.5% last year, following 1.9% in 2020.

00:16:07.000 It grew at an annualized rate of 1.3% in the first quarter of 2024.

00:16:11.000 This is like, okay, but it's below the long-term median growth rate in the United States.

00:16:19.000 So, in other words, if you look at the modeling, What it suggests is that Joe Biden is losing this election.

00:16:26.000 He is behind in this election, which means that the debate tonight, the onus is weirdly enough on the incumbent.

00:16:32.000 As by the way, it should be.

00:16:33.000 It typically should be.

00:16:34.000 If you're the incumbent president, you've been the person in charge of this bleep show for the last four years.

00:16:39.000 It is you who should be up for reelect.

00:16:43.000 Donald Trump is rightly pointing out, my support from black and Hispanic voters has skyrocketed.

00:16:47.000 He is correct about this.

00:16:48.000 Here he was yesterday.

00:16:51.000 The mugshot is the best.

00:16:53.000 It just beat Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra by a lot, by the way, beat him by a lot.

00:16:58.000 But that's the number one mugshot of all time.

00:17:01.000 It's really an amazing thing.

00:17:04.000 Since it happened, the support among the black community and the Hispanic community has skyrocketed.

00:17:11.000 It's been amazing.

00:17:15.000 OK, meanwhile, Joe Biden's co-chair is now being reduced as co-chair of his campaign.

00:17:20.000 Representative Veronica Escobar, she is being reduced to suggesting the American people have amnesia.

00:17:25.000 When you are the candidate who's explaining why the American people are wrong, you're losing.

00:17:29.000 Baseline rule of American politics. 0.91

00:17:30.000 If you are the candidate who's going around telling the American people they are delusional and crazy, you're losing the election. 0.61

00:17:35.000 Here's Biden's co-chair saying the American people have amnesia. 0.95

00:17:38.000 By the way, Joe Biden's campaign co-chair should not be going around questioning the mental facility of the people who are voting upon him.

00:17:47.000 That's it.

00:17:48.000 Joe Biden is the one there are serious mental questions about.

00:17:52.000 More voters think that Trump did a better job in office than Biden.

00:17:55.000 Does that concern you?

00:17:56.000 It does.

00:17:57.000 I do think that people have amnesia.

00:18:00.000 And as I've been talking to communities across the country for the campaign, especially Latino communities, I have reminded them about what we experienced for four years under Trump.

00:18:16.000 If you, again, are saying the American people have amnesia, you have a serious problem.

00:18:27.000 So what is Joe Biden going to do in the debate tonight?

00:18:29.000 Well, he has to come out feisty.

00:18:31.000 And here is the problem for Joe Biden.

00:18:33.000 Feisty Joe Biden lasts like 30% on the debate stage.

00:18:37.000 He is not going to be able to go a full 90 minutes being feisty.

00:18:40.000 He's just not.

00:18:42.000 He tried to come out feisty, if you remember, in the Robert Herr press conference.

00:18:46.000 For the first 15 minutes, it was okay because he had a teleprompter in front of him.

00:18:49.000 Then he got off the teleprompter and things started to go bad real quick.

00:18:54.000 In the debate, there is no teleprompter.

00:18:56.000 Joe Biden cannot rely on just having high energy and reading off of a screen.

00:19:01.000 He's going to have to actually make his brain work.

00:19:04.000 This is why it is incumbent on Donald Trump to let Joe Biden talk.

00:19:08.000 And when Joe Biden breaks early in an answer, he says, anyway, my time is right.

00:19:13.000 Donald Trump needs to say, Joe, you have plenty of time.

00:19:15.000 We all hear what you want to say.

00:19:17.000 It's gonna be the single most important thing he can do tonight is get Joe Biden to talk.

00:19:21.000 That is the most important thing that Donald Trump can do tonight.

00:19:23.000 You pair that with Donald Trump not looking volatile.

00:19:26.000 That is the second most important thing he can do tonight, maybe the most important.

00:19:30.000 The perception that Joe Biden wants to leave with the American people is that Donald Trump is too volatile to be president of the United States.

00:19:36.000 That is really the character argument that he's making against Trump.

00:19:39.000 Because again, he can't run on his record. 1.00

00:19:42.000 So he's instead going to run on the idea that Donald Trump is a crazy person. 1.00

00:19:44.000 You can't have a crazy person in office. 0.98

00:19:46.000 All Donald Trump has to do is look not crazy. 0.89

00:19:49.000 That's it.

00:19:50.000 That is an actual pretty low bar for Donald Trump.

00:19:52.000 Because remember, if the fundamentals of the race are the same coming out of the debate as they are going into the debate, Joe Biden is losing.

00:19:59.000 He is right now playing from behind.

00:20:02.000 So the media are already pre-spinning Joe Biden losing here.

00:20:07.000 Chuck Todd of MSNBC, he says that the Biden team has actually crafted rules that help Donald Trump.

00:20:14.000 Now, there may be some truth to this.

00:20:16.000 It's unintentional.

00:20:18.000 The fact that Donald Trump can't jump in and talk over Biden on the mic might actually help Donald Trump.

00:20:25.000 Because again, the longer Joe Biden talks and the more you see of Joe Biden fading, the better it is for Donald Trump.

00:20:31.000 The lack of the crowd is not going to help Donald Trump, but MSNBC is now trying to make the claim that the debate is stacked against Biden.

00:20:37.000 That's how badly they are afraid he's going to lose this debate, which is pretty crazy since again, Joe Biden's team set all the rules, not some of them, all of them.

00:20:45.000 They named the network.

00:20:46.000 They'd already agreed on the anchors.

00:20:48.000 They agreed on the dates.

00:20:49.000 That's why this is happening so early.

00:20:50.000 Usually you don't get presidential debates until well after the conventions.

00:20:54.000 We're doing this in June because Biden is so afraid that he's going to fall over in this debate.

00:21:00.000 That he needs months to recover in the polling data.

00:21:03.000 Here is MSNBC trying to pre-spin Joe Biden losing.

00:21:07.000 They so want to have a different experience than the last debate they had with him or the first debate from the last cycle.

00:21:13.000 And ironically, that's the single best debate Biden had, right?

00:21:17.000 Because Trump's behavior really sort of almost cemented Biden's lead by that point.

00:21:25.000 And it may have done Trump in at that point.

00:21:28.000 And now here's the Biden campaign trying to come up with a set of rules to make sure Trump seems more presentable.

00:21:35.000 I have to say, when you sort of look at their motivation here, and given the experience they had four years ago, it's a head-scratcher to me that they went so out of their way to try to create an environment that will make Trump seem more presidential.

00:21:52.000 Again, they're pre-spinning this.

00:21:54.000 The reality is the Democrats wanted to set these rules because they were afraid that Donald Trump would get in a jab at Biden in the middle of the debate that would basically put Biden on the floor.

00:22:03.000 That's what they're afraid of.

00:22:04.000 They're afraid he's going to sneak in and that Joe Biden would start fumbling his words and Donald Trump would then say, well, there he goes.

00:22:10.000 And that would be the end of it.

00:22:12.000 That's what they're really trying to stop.

00:22:13.000 That's what they were doing with the mics. 0.99

00:22:14.000 But, again, the pre-spin shows how afraid the left is of this debate.

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00:23:30.000 Trump has said that he is not doing formal debate prep.

00:23:32.000 She says that's preposterous.

00:23:33.000 Of course he's doing formal debate prep.

00:23:35.000 Have you met Donald Trump?

00:23:37.000 Have you seen Donald Trump?

00:23:38.000 There's a real good shot he ain't doing actual debate prep.

00:23:42.000 I actually fundamentally agree with the Biden camp on this.

00:23:46.000 This idea that Donald Trump is not preparing is preposterous.

00:23:50.000 Now, his team is not using the word preparation, but that's likely because of who their candidate is.

00:23:54.000 He doesn't want to think that he has to prepare.

00:23:57.000 But we know that his senior advisors have been watching old debate clips.

00:24:00.000 They have brought it up in calls with reporters.

00:24:03.000 We know that Donald Trump himself has had a number of these policy sessions.

00:24:08.000 So again, they're trying to pre-spin this thing.

00:24:10.000 One of the big aspects of this particular debate is going to be what happens with the anchors.

00:24:14.000 So my prediction is that the anchors won't be quite as bad as everybody thinks they're going to be.

00:24:18.000 So I think there are a lot of folks who think that the anchors are going to spend 90 minutes just grilling Trump about January 6th.

00:24:25.000 I doubt that.

00:24:25.000 I think that the anchors are actually going to ask some interesting questions to Joe Biden because, again, this is the most important debate, I think, of any of our lifetimes.

00:24:34.000 And what that probably means is that Jake Tapper and Dana Bash do not want to be on the receiving end of a brutal review in which they basically end up the Candy Crowley of 2012.

00:24:43.000 You remember Candy Crowley jumped into the middle of a debate between Mitt Romney and Obama that Romney was clearly winning and proceeded to shift the debate by falsely fact-checking Mitt Romney.

00:24:54.000 So, you know, I don't think they want that.

00:24:57.000 And I think Biden's not going to respond very well to that.

00:24:59.000 So what exactly is Trump's strategy?

00:25:01.000 Well, he has a two-pronged strategy.

00:25:03.000 One is that he's going to keep reminding voters over and over of the fact that Joe Biden is fading and fading badly right now.

00:25:11.000 Polling, by the way, shows that voters believe this.

00:25:15.000 A poll out from Daily Mail shows that 70% of people want both men screened for pharmaceuticals when they face off during the debate.

00:25:24.000 That's not going to happen, obviously, but most Americans are very suspicious that Joe Biden is getting pumped with something in order to get himself ready for all of this.

00:25:32.000 Meanwhile, Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, is now saying that the House is going to sue the DOJ to get the Joe Biden interview audio.

00:25:40.000 Which of course makes sense because the more tape you have of Joe Biden in long form, the less with it he looks.

00:25:48.000 In fact, the Trump campaign is going to air an ad during the debate on CNN pointing out that Joe Biden is falling down on the job.

00:25:54.000 Here's what that ad looks like.

00:25:57.000 When you think about the Joe Biden you saw in the debate, ask yourself a question.

00:26:02.000 Do you think the guy who was defeated by the stairs, got taken down by his bike, lost a fight with his jacket, and regularly gets lost, makes it four more years in the White House?

00:26:14.000 And you know who's waiting behind him, right?

00:26:17.000 Vote Joe Biden today.

00:26:18.000 Get Kamala Harris tomorrow. 1.00

00:26:22.000 I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message.

00:26:26.000 Okay, so that's pretty vicious.

00:26:28.000 It's a pretty vicious ad.

00:26:29.000 It's accurate and it's vicious, but it's going to assume that Joe Biden has one of these moments.

00:26:34.000 And you say, when you see the Joe Biden, you see that.

00:26:35.000 So they are very confident that Joe Biden is going to start mumbling over himself.

00:26:39.000 Again, I think there's a good possibility that that happens, but the reality is that the more telling tactic that Donald Trump is now using is he is talking up the fact that Joe Biden is dishonest.

00:26:48.000 They should treat Biden as though he's a normal debate participant.

00:26:50.000 And then if he happens to stumble over himself, which he very well might, Then they can point that out.

00:26:55.000 But the reality is that this is not a referendum on Joe Biden's senility.

00:26:59.000 This is a referendum on Joe Biden's presidency.

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00:28:05.000 So Trump put out a post yesterday saying Crooked Joe Biden's handlers are loudly and profusely complaining there will be no fact checkers during the debate on Thursday.

00:28:12.000 Actually, that's just disinformation.

00:28:14.000 They could not be happier because there's nobody as loose with the truth as Crooked Joe. 0.70

00:28:18.000 From the 51 fake intelligence agents, to Russia, Russia, Russia, to the fake suckers and losers story he created about our beloved military, to cheating in college and saying he was first in his law school class when he was actually last, to claiming he marched for civil rights, drove trucks, has a 6.2 handicap, he can't hit the golf ball 10 yards but it's a minor detail, and so many more falsehoods, the man is a walking lying machine and a fact checker's dream. 0.76

00:28:37.000 And then he pondered whether he should start calling him Wyan Joe. 0.81

00:28:40.000 That's actually going to be, I think, the central setup that Trump has to do at the very beginning.

00:28:45.000 He should let the audience just draw the conclusion that Joe Biden is not with it.

00:28:49.000 He shouldn't have to say it.

00:28:50.000 It'll show itself on screen.

00:28:52.000 He should treat Joe Biden as though Joe Biden is just as with it as Hillary Clinton was in 2016.

00:28:57.000 And then, if the opportunity presents itself, he should simply point to Joe Biden.

00:29:01.000 If Joe Biden does, in fact, stumble over himself or mix up the presidents of Mexico and Egypt, then he should just say, Joe, I think what you meant is, or Joe, there you go again.

00:29:11.000 Joe, I know you're having a rough time up here, but it's hard to watch you, man.

00:29:16.000 If that opportunity presents itself, he should certainly go for it, but here's the thing.

00:29:19.000 On policy alone, he can win this debate, and he should win this debate on policy alone.

00:29:25.000 The Biden economy is not good.

00:29:27.000 How bad is the Biden economy?

00:29:28.000 It is amazing to me, but to watch politicians who know better suggest that the inflation of the last several years is caused by corporate greed.

00:29:37.000 It's such absolute sheer nonsense, and it makes no internal sense.

00:29:40.000 There's no internal logic to it.

00:29:42.000 Were corporations less greedy in 2018, and then they suddenly became magically greedy in 2021?

00:29:49.000 Or maybe it's that inflation is a monetary phenomenon in which too many dollars are following too few goods and services.

00:29:56.000 Now the Biden administration is attempting to push around companies.

00:30:00.000 According to Axios, quote, companies that announced splashy price reductions can expect public praise from the highest level of government.

00:30:06.000 For those that don't, a tax on sky-high profit margins, so-called junk fees, and the like.

00:30:11.000 This is unbelievable.

00:30:12.000 So the Biden administration is now leaking to Axios that they are going to literally attack companies that don't artificially lower prices in time for the election.

00:30:20.000 They want corporations to take a corporate hit so that Joe Biden will not slander them publicly.

00:30:27.000 They effectively want to blackmail corporate America.

00:30:30.000 Now I know that Democrats have done this historically.

00:30:32.000 Back during the Great Recession, Barack Obama famously called in a bunch of banking heads and said, I'm the only thing standing between you and the pitchforks, so I need you to kowtow to me, and they basically did.

00:30:41.000 Now Joe Biden is doing the same thing.

00:30:43.000 It ain't gonna work this time, because you can't lower your profit margins to the point where you are bleeding money.

00:30:48.000 Why would they have to, if the economy is going so gung-ho, according to Joe Biden?

00:30:53.000 In recent weeks, the administration has applauded Target, Walmart, and other grocery chains for beginning to, quote, answer the president's call to lower prices for household goods.

00:31:00.000 In a speech last week, top White House economist Lael Brainard said grocery store margins remain elevated relative to pre-pandemic times.

00:31:08.000 Brainard said some grocery stores are answering the president's call and lowering prices on thousands of items.

00:31:12.000 This is smart, but corporations have to do more to bring their prices down.

00:31:17.000 Now again, this is an absurdity.

00:31:18.000 And Trump should point it out.

00:31:19.000 He should say, Joe, if your economy is so good, why are you having to blackmail corporations into lowering their prices?

00:31:25.000 Why is that a thing you have to do?

00:31:27.000 Why is it that your Inflation Reduction Act did not reduce inflation?

00:31:29.000 Joe Biden certainly will cite this ridiculous letter of 16 Nobel Prize winning economists who suggest that Trump is going to increase the inflation rate.

00:31:36.000 Trump needs to point out, 13 of those 16 said the Inflation Reduction Act would actually reduce inflation.

00:31:42.000 One of them is apparently married to Janet Yellen.

00:31:44.000 So, give me a break.

00:31:46.000 Meanwhile, on immigration, this is the worst single issue for Joe Biden.

00:31:50.000 He is deeply underwater on immigration, as he should be. 1.00

00:31:52.000 And Joe Biden needs to be asked a very simple question.

00:31:55.000 How many Americans are you willing to let die in order to keep the border open?

00:31:59.000 It's that simple.

00:32:01.000 It's that simple.

00:32:03.000 So, yesterday, Alejandro Mayorkas He was doing a press conference.

00:32:08.000 He's the head of the Department of Homeland Security.

00:32:10.000 And he was called out over the murder of a 12-year-old girl by an illegal immigrant.

00:32:13.000 The girl's name is Jocelyn Nungare.

00:32:16.000 So he was asked by a reporter at a press conference, why is it that an illegal immigrant wearing

00:32:22.000 an ankle monitor killed a 12-year-old girl?

00:32:25.000 Obviously the media, the nation has had their eyes on the brutal crimes committed recently

00:32:30.000 by illegal immigrants.

00:32:32.000 One of them was actually wearing an ICE ankle monitor.

00:32:35.000 Yet this morning you said in an interview that the safety of the American people is the priority and that these individuals are vetted.

00:32:41.000 But we know in our conversations with the ICE director, we've heard the FBI director say that there are significant gaps in intel.

00:32:48.000 So what would you say to reassure the American people that they are, in fact, safe?

00:32:52.000 And what would you say to the families who are mourning their loved ones because of these migrant crimes being committed? 1.00

00:32:58.000 Well, let me start where you ended.

00:33:02.000 A message to the families is, of course, our hearts are with them, given their suffering.

00:33:09.000 Again, if your heart was really with the people who are suffering, then perhaps you should close the border.

00:33:15.000 All Donald Trump has to do is list off the names of a wide variety of people who have been murdered in the past six months by illegal immigrants under Joe Biden's border policy. 0.95

00:33:23.000 Meanwhile, there was a report from NBC News just this week that there are 50 ISIS-linked people walking around in the United States after being allowed into the country by Joe Biden.

00:33:31.000 Mayorkas is trying to deny that report.

00:33:32.000 Here he was yesterday.

00:33:34.000 The DHS confirms that at least 400 migrants with potential ISIS ties recently crossed into the United States.

00:33:41.000 That is incorrect.

00:33:42.000 Tell us why.

00:33:44.000 That reporting is incorrect.

00:33:46.000 We do not have identified 400 people with potential ISIS ties.

00:33:53.000 And let me again assure you that individuals who are identified to have those ties would Oh, it's inaccurate.

00:34:01.000 It's just there are a few who are walking around in the United States.

00:34:03.000 perspective and they would be priorities for detain, detention and removal.

00:34:08.000 Calling that initial NBC report inaccurate over the 400 potential ISIS ties?

00:34:13.000 I think it is inaccurate.

00:34:16.000 Oh, it's inaccurate.

00:34:19.000 It's just there are a few that are walking around in the United States.

00:34:22.000 Representative Chip Roy correctly points out that it is Joe Biden's executive branch that

00:34:25.000 is allowing people in the United States to be killed.

00:34:29.000 By the way, a tyrannical executive branch which has allowed people to get killed, right?

00:34:35.000 We just had this woman, Rachel Marin in Maryland, who was brutally murdered.

00:34:39.000 She wasn't the first in her county.

00:34:41.000 Kayla Hamilton, two years ago, brutally murdered.

00:34:45.000 Texan, Lisbeth Medina, found in a bathroom.

00:34:47.000 The little girl, 13 years old, who was killed in New York.

00:34:50.000 A 12-year-old in Iowa who was killed.

00:34:52.000 Because we're allowing people to get dumped into our communities who are criminals.

00:34:59.000 That is the point that Donald Trump needs to make tonight.

00:35:01.000 Again, on policy, on policy, Joe Biden is going to lose this debate, which means that he only wins this debate if Donald Trump really screws up.

00:35:09.000 All the pressure is on Biden, which is probably why he's been hiding in a bunker for the last six days being jabbered at by 16 people.

00:35:14.000 We'll see how that works out for him since people in stage two of dementia have kind of a tough time with many people in their arena trying to give them advice.

00:35:23.000 We'll get to the possibility that if Joe Biden loses this debate, the world gets way more dangerous.

00:35:28.000 I'll explain why in a moment.

00:35:29.000 First, again, let me remind you, tonight is the big night.

00:35:32.000 DailyWire backstage is going live.

00:35:33.000 You're not going to want to miss a second of it.

00:35:35.000 Here's what's happening.

00:35:36.000 DailyWire Plus is simulcasting the entire presidential debate.

00:35:38.000 But let's be real, you need more than just politicians spouting and talking points.

00:35:41.000 As the debate unfolds, you'll get real-time analysis from me, Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, Andrew Clavin, and Jeremy Boring.

00:35:46.000 We are kicking things off 8.30pm Eastern with a pre-show that will arm you with the facts the mainstream media won't tell you.

00:35:51.000 Because we believe in giving you the full story, we're sticking around after the debate.

00:35:55.000 Our post-show recap will dissect what this all means for the future of our public.

00:35:57.000 Look, if you truly want to understand what's at stake in this election, you need to experience this debate with voices you can trust.

00:36:02.000 Daily Wire backstage, live tonight, 8.30pm Eastern.

00:36:05.000 Watch it at dailywire.com.

00:36:08.000 Okay, meanwhile...

00:36:09.000 Now, there are real consequences to what happens in this debate.

00:36:11.000 The world's eyes are on this debate.

00:36:13.000 I think we're in a bit of a unique situation right here, which is that America's enemies are freaked out by Trump.

00:36:20.000 They really, really are.

00:36:21.000 Iran is freaked out by Trump.

00:36:23.000 China is freaked out by Trump.

00:36:25.000 Even Russia is freaked out by Trump because the reality is That for all the talk among some coteries of the Trump base, that somehow Russia's good and Ukraine is bad, that's not actually Trump's position.

00:36:35.000 Trump's position is that he wants to reach an off-ramp between Ukraine and Russia, but he's going to support Ukraine up to the point where that off-ramp can be reached.

00:36:44.000 Vladimir Putin does not like the unpredictability of Donald Trump.

00:36:48.000 He actually doesn't like it very much, which is why he didn't invade Ukraine while Donald Trump was president.

00:36:52.000 He did it while Obama was president in 2014.

00:36:53.000 He did it while Biden was president in 2022.

00:36:55.000 He didn't do it while Trump was president.

00:36:58.000 So what happens if Donald Trump starts to open up a big lead?

00:37:02.000 If Donald Trump does well tonight, the lead that he has in the polling data is going to increase by a point or two.

00:37:06.000 And suddenly it looks like a five-point Trump lead or a six-point Trump lead among likely voters.

00:37:12.000 If that happens, if suddenly Donald Trump looks like he is on the verge of blowing out Joe Biden, he's going to win the swing states, might pick off New Hampshire, might pick off Minnesota.

00:37:20.000 Let's say you're an enemy of the United States.

00:37:22.000 Then, your timeline gets real short indeed.

00:37:24.000 At that point, you're like, I gotta go while the going is good.

00:37:27.000 I gotta move while Joe Biden is president.

00:37:29.000 And this is, in fact, a problem for the United States.

00:37:33.000 The reality is that America's allies, like Israel, Saudi Arabia in the Middle East, Taiwan, that those allies are waiting for Donald Trump to come back into office.

00:37:43.000 If Donald Trump had been elected in 2020, there would have been a Saudi agreement with the Israelis in February of 2021 guaranteed.

00:37:50.000 That is not speculation.

00:37:51.000 That is reality.

00:37:53.000 That would have happened.

00:37:54.000 October 7th probably would have been forestalled in the first place if Donald Trump had been president of the United States. 0.84

00:37:59.000 China would be on its much better behavior because they would be afraid that Donald Trump is just crazy enough to defend Taiwan.

00:38:06.000 Russia probably would not have gone into Ukraine because they didn't know exactly what Donald Trump was going to do.

00:38:11.000 There's something called the madman strategy when it comes to foreign policy and that is be crazy enough that your opponent doesn't want to fight you because you never know what he's going to do and Donald Trump has that one down to a T.

00:38:22.000 But what happens if they are now looking at a certain timeline of Joe Biden being defeated and leaving office in January?

00:38:28.000 It means you go now.

00:38:29.000 It means you go before Trump enters office.

00:38:31.000 It means that if you're Iran, you ratchet up the pressure by unleashing Hezbollah, for example. 0.96

00:38:38.000 It means that if you're Iran, you start pushing really, really hard to accelerate your nuclear program before Donald Trump enters office and then does something to forestall your nuclear program.

00:38:48.000 And by the way, this is exactly what Iran is doing. 0.85

00:38:50.000 It's not me saying this, this is the New York Times saying this.

00:38:53.000 Quote, throughout Iran's presidential campaign and debates, rallies, and speeches, a singular presence has hovered, Donald J. Trump.

00:38:59.000 To hear the six candidates tell it, the former president's victory in the 2024 White House race is a foregone conclusion.

00:39:04.000 The urgent question facing Iranian voters as they go to the polls on Friday is who is best suited to deal with him. 0.94

00:39:09.000 They hardly ever mention Biden.

00:39:11.000 They never bring up the many polls suggesting the American election will be extremely close.

00:39:14.000 Instead, Trump's name is invoked again and again.

00:39:16.000 Wait and you'll see what happens when Trump comes.

00:39:19.000 One candidate, cleric Mostafa Pourmohammadi, said during a recent televised debate, we have to get ready for negotiations.

00:39:25.000 Another candidate, Alireza Zakani, Tehran's mayor, accused his rivals of having Trump-phobia and saying only he could manage him.

00:39:32.000 Iranians have ample reason to be wary of another Trump presidency.

00:39:34.000 It was Trump who unilaterally pulled the U.S.

00:39:36.000 out of Iran's deal with world powers over its nuclear program.

00:39:40.000 Trump also imposed tough economic sanctions targeting Iran.

00:39:44.000 So, could Iran start to accelerate its timeline on terrorism and expansionism while Joe Biden is in office?

00:39:51.000 That is certainly a possibility.

00:39:52.000 I've been worried about this for a while.

00:39:53.000 This is also true with regard to China.

00:39:55.000 So I said at the very beginning of the year, my out-of-the-box prediction, if this election started to break open after the debates or after the conventions, the possibility of a Chinese blockade on Taiwan becomes incredibly severe.

00:40:06.000 Why?

00:40:07.000 Because if they do it when Trump is president, he might do something about it.

00:40:10.000 They believe they will be able to wheedle a better deal out of Joe Biden than they will be able to wheedle out of Donald Trump.

00:40:16.000 Donald Trump reacts to threat with aggressiveness.

00:40:19.000 Joe Biden reacts to threat with cowardice, and they know this.

00:40:23.000 So if they have a choice between blockading Taiwan while Biden is president, or blockading Taiwan while Trump is president, and they're already certain that Biden's going to lose, Maybe they go.

00:40:32.000 And maybe the reason they're forestalling action right now is because they believe that Biden might still win, and then they have a longer time horizon, they can do what they want with Taiwan.

00:40:38.000 But if they see the end of this tunnel coming, and they see the daylight that is the Trump administration coming back in, they might need to do what they do in darkness while Biden is still the president.

00:40:49.000 So I think the possibility of significant global conflict radically escalates as the election approaches if Donald Trump is winning.

00:40:57.000 That is not because of Donald Trump.

00:40:59.000 That is because the world looks at Joe Biden and they lick their lips.

00:41:02.000 America's enemies lick their lips when they see Joe Biden.

00:41:06.000 By the way, it's not unprecedented for foreign actors to look at the prospect of future elections and then change their behavior based on the prospect of those future elections.

00:41:15.000 So for example, the Viet Cong in 1968, they started to stall negotiations with LBJ because they believed that Richard Nixon might come in and cut them a better deal.

00:41:26.000 The same thing happened in 2012 with regard to Russia.

00:41:29.000 You remember, Barack Obama sitting with Dmitry Medvedev and telling him, I'll have more flexibility after the election if you forestall action before the election.

00:41:36.000 And you know what?

00:41:37.000 Putin heard and he did.

00:41:38.000 Putin did not get super duper aggressive in 2012.

00:41:42.000 He waited until 2013, 2014.

00:41:44.000 He waited until Barack Obama basically handed him control of Syria, essentially handed him control of Crimea and the Donbass region in 2014.

00:41:51.000 He got exactly what he wanted.

00:41:53.000 This is what powers do.

00:41:55.000 They're constantly gaming for moves by opposing powers.

00:41:59.000 So, if Joe Biden loses tonight, and loses badly, if he stumbles over his words, the possibility of a serious national catastrophe being visited upon the United States grow in the period between now and when he leaves office.

00:42:15.000 Which by the way means that he loses really big.

00:42:17.000 Because if any of those things happen, while Joe Biden is president, let's say that China blockades Taiwan, while Joe Biden is president, that dude loses by 15 points.

00:42:24.000 Because the economic consequences of such a blockade, which could only be forestalled by a show of strength and will.

00:42:33.000 Now this is the dirty secret of Joe Biden's cowardice.

00:42:34.000 Joe Biden's cowardice makes conflict so much more likely.

00:42:38.000 Take the Middle East, for example.

00:42:40.000 If Joe Biden had said to Israel, go fast, go hard, finish the job, get back as many hostages as you can, take out Hamas, do it fast, and then set up some sort of regime that allows for your security and the re-education of the Palestinian population away from their indoctrinated hatred of Jews.

00:42:55.000 If he had said that, go fast, go hard, this thing would already be over.

00:42:58.000 Hezbollah would not be threatening Israel's northern border.

00:43:00.000 It turns out that stalwartness aggressive action on the foreign stage when it comes to small activities like historically the Hamas war is. 0.82

00:43:10.000 That forestalls the possibility of future war, but Joe Biden is such a rube and a coward when it comes to foreign policy that he couldn't do that. 0.56

00:43:17.000 And everybody notices. 0.96

00:43:19.000 Everybody notices.

00:43:19.000 So it's going to become a very dangerous world between now and when Joe Biden loses office, if he in fact loses office, and if the perception is that he's going to lose office.

00:43:27.000 We are going to get to a couple of major decisions coming down from the Supreme Court.

00:43:31.000 Neither of them particularly good for conservatives, despite all of the talk about how the Supreme Court is dominated by doctrinaire conservatives.

00:43:36.000 That's not what the Supreme Court did yesterday.

00:43:39.000 Well, the media keep portraying the Supreme Court as some sort of right-wing tool.

00:43:42.000 It's just a bunch of conservatives doing conservative things.

00:43:44.000 They need to wake up and smell the coffee, like Black Rifle. 0.97

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00:44:38.000 Meanwhile, you remember that time the Supreme Court was supposed to be this radically conservative, doctrinaire court?

00:44:42.000 Yeah, well, there were a couple of opinions that came down yesterday.

00:44:45.000 One of them leaked.

00:44:46.000 Every abortion opinion at the Supreme Court now gets leaked.

00:44:48.000 This particular abortion decision is not in favor of conservatives.

00:44:51.000 Apparently, it's going to allow emergency rooms to perform abortions. 1.00

00:44:54.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, the Supreme Court appears ready to let emergency abortions be performed in Idaho, despite the state's near-total ban on the procedure.

00:45:02.000 According to a draft version of a decision, the court accidentally posted on its website Wednesday and then quickly removed.

00:45:07.000 By a 6-3 vote, the draft decision dismisses the state of Idaho's appeal of a lower court order temporarily permitting emergency abortions under federal law governing hospitals that accept Medicare.

00:45:16.000 Idaho state law forbids the procedure except when necessary to save a woman's life.

00:45:19.000 The Biden administration argued federal law is more permissive, authorizing emergency abortions when needed to stabilize a patient in a health crisis.

00:45:27.000 The Supreme Court issued a statement saying no decision was final.

00:45:30.000 The draft order dismisses the case as improvidently granted.

00:45:34.000 Six justices were ready to resolve the basic issue, but three did not want to do that.

00:45:39.000 They sort of wanted to kick it off to a future day.

00:45:40.000 The same thing happened, actually, with regard to a very important case about the pressure placed on social media platforms by the Biden administration and by the federal government generally.

00:45:52.000 So, as we've been following here at The Daily Wire for a long time, because we have a dog in this particular fight, The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals had found, in a federal case, that the federal government could not put pressure on social media companies to take things down.

00:46:06.000 That effectively, the federal government, using its power to force social media companies or to cudgel social media companies informally into doing their will, was a violation of the First Amendment.

00:46:19.000 That's what the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals found.

00:46:20.000 Yesterday, the Supreme Court declined to even take on the issue.

00:46:24.000 They rejected a lawsuit alleging that the Biden administration officials unlawfully pressured social media platforms to remove content flagged as disinformation.

00:46:32.000 They say instead that no one had standing to sue.

00:46:34.000 So instead of resolving the underlying issue, which is how far can the federal government go in communicating with private companies to get them to do things before they're violating the First Amendment, instead of taking that on, they kick the can down the road by citing some sort of standing issue.

00:46:48.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, the high court said the plaintiffs, which included a handful of doctors and anti-vax activists and a far-right web publisher, failed at a first fundamental step for any lawsuit, showing they had suffered specific injuries that judges are capable of addressing.

00:47:00.000 Now, this could all be stopped by an act of Congress.

00:47:02.000 to conduct a review of the years-long communications between dozens of federal officials

00:47:05.000 across different agencies with different social media platforms

00:47:08.000 about different topics, according to the decision writer,

00:47:11.000 Justice Amy Coney Barrett.

00:47:12.000 This court's standing doctrine prevents us from exercising such general legal oversight

00:47:16.000 of the other branches of government.

00:47:18.000 Now, this could all be stopped by an act of Congress.

00:47:21.000 Congress could say the federal executive branch does not have the power or the capacity

00:47:26.000 to attempt to cudgel social media platforms into doing their will.

00:47:29.000 Will Congress do that?

00:47:32.000 With Democrats in charge of the Senate?

00:47:33.000 Very unlikely.

00:47:34.000 Barrett noted online platforms had their own incentives to moderate content and enforce policies aimed at removing false and misleading content, independent of discussions of the government.

00:47:42.000 She said, none of the plaintiffs could show that any of their speech that was restricted online was a result of pressure government officials placed on social media companies.

00:47:50.000 Three conservative dissented, this would be Alito, Thomas, and Gorsuch.

00:47:53.000 Alito said for months, high ranking government officials placed unrelenting pressure on Facebook

00:47:57.000 to suppress Americans free speech. Because the court unjustifiably refuses to address

00:48:01.000 this serious threat to the First Amendment, I respectfully dissent.

00:48:03.000 Of course, Alito, who is the second best justice on the court after Justice Thomas,

00:48:08.000 is absolutely correct. It is absurd on every level that the federal Supreme Court is refusing

00:48:15.000 to take up the issue as to how far the federal executive branch can go in pressuring private

00:48:20.000 companies.

00:48:22.000 Alito's dissent is absolutely scathing.

00:48:24.000 Alito says purely private entities like newspapers are not subject to the First Amendment.

00:48:28.000 As a result, they may publish or decline to publish whatever they wish.

00:48:30.000 But government officials may not coerce private entities to suppress speech.

00:48:34.000 And that is what happened in this case.

00:48:37.000 He says the record before us is vast.

00:48:39.000 It contains evidence of communications between many different government actors and a variety of internet platforms, as well as evidence regarding the effects of those interactions on the seven different plaintiffs.

00:48:49.000 For months in 2021 and 2022, a coterie of officials at the highest levels of the federal government continually harried and implicitly threatened Facebook with potentially crippling consequences if it did not comply with their wishes about the suppression of certain COVID-19 related speech.

00:49:02.000 Not surprisingly, Facebook repeatedly yielded.

00:49:05.000 The court shirks its duty and permits the successful campaign of coercion, in this case, to stand as an attractive model for future officials who want to control what people say, hear, and think.

00:49:15.000 So again, the case that Alito is making is that you're wanting some sort of clear threat, like a horse's head in a bed or something, from the federal government to Facebook.

00:49:23.000 But all you're really encouraging is subtle threats and intimidation from the federal government, which will now become the way this stuff is done.

00:49:30.000 He is right about all of this, of course.

00:49:33.000 And as he points out, the court may come to regret its willingness to allow the federal government to dictate terms this way.

00:49:41.000 Alito concludes, For months, high-ranking government officials placed unrelenting

00:49:46.000 pressure on Facebook to suppress Americans' free speech.

00:49:48.000 Because the court unjustifiably refuses to address the serious threats of the First Amendment, I respectfully dissent.

00:49:52.000 Yup.

00:49:54.000 Yup.

00:49:56.000 Which means, presumably, the same sort of stuff is going to happen.

00:49:58.000 Remember, this is exactly how the Hunter Biden laptop story got suppressed by the federal government.

00:50:02.000 He had members of the FBI and CIA approaching social media and basically telling them, Guys, you know, he might be rushing this information.

00:50:10.000 Wink, wink, nod, nod.

00:50:12.000 And Facebook caved to all of that.

00:50:14.000 So, terrible decision from the United States Supreme Court.

00:50:16.000 Again, demonstrating... When Democrats suggest that this court is doctrinaire on the right wing, then how do decisions like this happen?

00:50:24.000 Okay, in just one second, we'll get to the craziest story of the day.

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