The Ben Shapiro Show - Democrats CAVE, Trump Chalks Up Another Win!

00:00:00.000 Well, President Trump has chalked up another win with the victory of a continuing resolution in the Senate.

00:00:04.000 We'll get to all that in a moment.

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00:00:31.000 All right, so Chuck Schumer had made noises a little bit earlier this week about the possibility of holding up a continuing resolution that would fund the government all the way until September.

00:00:39.000 And it was sort of unclear why he was doing that.

00:00:42.000 Strategically, he had no ground to stand on because, after all, if the United States Senate, the Democratic minority, decided that they were going to filibuster the continuing resolution, there would be a government shutdown.

00:00:52.000 And the Republicans would correctly say they had the votes to prevent the government shutdown, and it was Democrats who had actually created the government shutdown, at which point Chuck Schumer and the Democrats would be blamed for everything.

00:01:02.000 It was a gigantic unforced error by Chuck Schumer.

00:01:06.000 Well, yesterday he reversed himself.

00:01:08.000 Democrats are, of course, very upset at Chuck Schumer because they believe that it is their duty to obstruct literally everything the Republicans do.

00:01:15.000 Now, to be fair to Schumer, it was a no-win situation.

00:01:17.000 On the one hand, if the continuing resolution goes forward, then President Trump continues to unleash the executive branch on itself to use those to cut, to slash, to burn, to fire.

00:01:27.000 He had the ability to do that because the continuing resolution basically just says the government is going to continue to run at the same funding levels it has previously run.

00:01:35.000 And this continuing resolution did not, in fact, include specific designations of where funding ought to go within each department, which would sort of force Trump to spend the money in each department.

00:01:45.000 Instead, it had to have a broad overview, spend X dollars.

00:01:49.000 At HHS. Spend X dollars at Department of Defense, for example.

00:01:52.000 And that allowed enormous discretion inside the executive branch for President Trump to continue to allow Doge to do its work.

00:01:58.000 This is what Democrats were objecting to.

00:02:00.000 However, if they'd gone into government shutdown, then President Trump would have had the ability to determine who was an essential worker and who was not an essential worker.

00:02:08.000 Because he's the president.

00:02:09.000 And that would have meant more firings.

00:02:11.000 So Chuck Schumer got himself stuck in this box canyon.

00:02:15.000 His radical left-wing base was very upset with him.

00:02:18.000 For not standing up to President Trump by filibustering the continuing resolution.

00:02:22.000 Here is Jasmine Crockett, who's kind of the new AOC. AOC's lost some steam, and now she's been replaced in the public mind of the crazed left as sort of the hot new thing. 0.99

00:02:32.000 There's the hotter newer thing in Jasmine Crockett, the congresswoman from Texas. 1.00

00:02:36.000 Here she was yesterday. 0.99

00:02:37.000 In my opinion, if we're shut down, you can't be fired.

00:02:42.000 And what does that mean?

00:02:43.000 It does mean that people will not be paid, but it does mean that they will get their back paid.

00:02:48.000 So hopefully we can stop some of the bleeding.

00:02:51.000 We just saw that the Department of Education laid off 50% of their workforce.

00:02:55.000 So I don't really understand why anybody would say, oh, we got to take the high road.

00:03:01.000 Listen, he is decimating the federal government.

00:03:03.000 And you're talking about whether or not we're going to keep the doors open?

00:03:06.000 He literally is shutting down departments anyway.

00:03:09.000 Okay, but here is the problem.

00:03:11.000 If you actually shut down the government, then he gets to designate people as essential workers and then furlough everybody else.

00:03:17.000 So again, Democrats got themselves stuck here, and this was basically a really, really amazing play by Speaker Johnson.

00:03:23.000 Speaker Johnson was somehow able to cobble together the entire Republican majority.

00:03:27.000 And there's been a lot of talk about Speaker Johnson, the unworkable Republican majority, because it's so small.

00:03:31.000 In some ways, he's actually benefited by that, because any single vote could be the vote that sinks a Trump agenda item, and no one wants to be the House vote except for Thomas Massey to sink a Trump...

00:03:40.000 Speaking of which, we'll be having Speaker Johnson on in just a few minutes here on the show to discuss what's going on.

00:03:46.000 For Democrats, according to the Wall Street Journal, a key issue in the continuing resolution was the GOP's full year continuing resolution omits the report that details where the executive branch should spend money program by program, as I mentioned.

00:03:57.000 Such a report would give Democrats their best chance of defending the existence of shuttered operations in the courts.

00:04:03.000 This week alone, the Education Department announced it was cutting about half its staff.

00:04:06.000 The Veteran Affairs Department outlined plans to cut about $70,000 from its workforce.

00:04:10.000 Now, the continuing resolution would extend funding for fiscal 2025 at prior year's levels.

00:04:15.000 There would be some cuts, cutting to non-defense spending by $13 billion, increasing military spending by $6 billion.

00:04:21.000 It would also unravel some portions of Joe Biden's Ridiculous Inflation Reduction Act.

00:04:26.000 But overall, it really doesn't change the workings of the government all that much.

00:04:29.000 It just allows Trump to keep doing what he's been doing.

00:04:32.000 This, of course, is why so many wild left-wing Democrats are upset.

00:04:35.000 Pramila Jayapal, who's the leader of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, I'm very proud that House Democrats stayed united in voting against this Republican funding bill.

00:04:50.000 Please don't call it a continuing resolution.

00:04:52.000 It's not, because a continuing resolution keeps the levels of funding the same.

00:04:56.000 This is a Republican funding bill.

00:04:59.000 And I hope, and we have been working all day, to help...

00:05:03.000 Our Senate colleagues understand that they, too, need to stand united against a Republican funding bill.

00:05:12.000 Okay, so the Senate did not.

00:05:13.000 So Chuck Schumer gave up the ghost yesterday.

00:05:16.000 He said he would back the continuing resolution, not that he'd vote in favor of it, but that he at least would not filibuster it.

00:05:21.000 Here he explained yesterday.

00:05:23.000 Either proceed with the bill before us or risk Donald Trump throwing America into the chaos of a shutdown.

00:05:33.000 This, in my view, is no choice at all.

00:05:39.000 I believe it is my job to make the best choice for the country to minimize the harms to the American people.

00:05:48.000 Therefore, I will vote to keep the government open and not shut it down.

00:05:54.000 He went on to explain why with MSNBC's Chris Hayes. .

00:05:58.000 To have the conflict on the best ground we have, summed up in a sentence, that they're making the middle class pay for tax cuts for billionaires, it's much, much better not to be in the middle of a shutdown, which should divert people from the number one issue we have against these bastards, sorry, these people, which is not only all these cuts, but they're ruining democracy.

00:06:22.000 And one other thing on a shutdown.

00:06:23.000 On a shutdown, the courts could close.

00:06:27.000 Or at least be totally, totally disabled. 0.99

00:06:31.000 And the courts are one of the best ways we've had to go after these guys.

00:06:34.000 One of the things that Democrats are doing increasingly is they're reverting to cursing.

00:06:38.000 If they are upset about something, they curse.

00:06:40.000 They have to show performatively that they oppose Trump even if they can't actually obstruct his agenda in any sort of effective way.

00:06:46.000 So you'll notice every single Democrat beginning to curse at a higher level.

00:06:50.000 Again, that's performative.

00:06:51.000 Chuck Schumer doesn't just drop bastards into a normal cable conversation.

00:06:54.000 He drops it there because he wants to show his base he's really, really, really mad.

00:06:58.000 But it's not going to be enough.

00:06:59.000 Jake Sherman over at Punchbowl News, which is maybe the best insider newsletter in Washington, D.C., he says, What a mess this has become for Democrats.

00:07:05.000 A government funding fight that began with Democrats demanding restrictions on Trump, Elon Musk, and Doge has ended with Democrats folding and now sniping bitterly at each other.

00:07:12.000 House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and his leadership team distanced themselves from Schumer's decision but didn't name him in a statement on Thursday night.

00:07:19.000 Other House Democrats took direct aim at Schumer, including Alexander Ocasio-Cortez, even Senator Patty Murray of Washington, the top Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Committee and Schumer ally, thinks it is a big mistake.

00:07:29.000 Sherman says, let's be blunt here.

00:07:31.000 Democrats picked a fight they couldn't win and caved without getting anything in return.

00:07:35.000 We'll also note it's more than five months into fiscal year 2025 already.

00:07:38.000 Even with another month of negotiation, what Democrats were asking for, it's still not clear they would have notched any policy wins.

00:07:43.000 And there's a reason Republicans put Democrats in this position, because they knew Democrats would cave.

00:07:48.000 And they did.

00:07:49.000 As Sherman points out, Democrats never managed to put Speaker Johnson or Senate Majority Leader John Thune or Trump in a tough spot.

00:07:55.000 There are plenty of policies House Democrats could have asked for in the CR, more money for certain programs, for instance, that could have placed Republicans in a bind, but they never actually did any of that.

00:08:03.000 Meanwhile, Senate Democrats tried to have it both ways.

00:08:05.000 They warned each other in private and in public about forcing a government shutdown, but then they tried to force a government shutdown.

00:08:12.000 So this set the Democratic base up for disappointment for seemingly no reason.

00:08:16.000 And they violated the first rule of politics, never interrupt your opponent while he's making a mistake.

00:08:22.000 And right now, the mistake the Democrats should be focusing in on is the tariff war, because that tariff war is driving the Dow Jones Industrial Average down.

00:08:29.000 That is an easy case to make.

00:08:31.000 If it recovers, of course, that case will disappear.

00:08:34.000 But they can say, well, Dow Jones Industrial Average is now in corrections.

00:08:37.000 Instead, they decided, hey, maybe we should start a giant fight over a continuing resolution we have no chance of actually stopping.

00:08:43.000 And if the government shuts down, we get to own.

00:08:45.000 The economic chaos.

00:08:46.000 I mean, it's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

00:08:48.000 In a second, we'll be joined by the Speaker of the House.

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00:11:01.000 As I mentioned before, Speaker Johnson has done a masterful job of keeping together an incredibly narrow House majority.

00:11:07.000 He joins us on the line right now.

00:11:08.000 Speaker Johnson, thank you so much for the time.

00:11:10.000 Let's start with the continuing resolution.

00:11:12.000 So Democrats in the Senate were thinking about filibustering the continuing resolution.

00:11:16.000 This is one of the great own goals that I've seen in recent history because obviously if they'd filibustered the continuing resolution, the government shutdown would have been totally on them.

00:11:24.000 Credit really goes to you and the Republican majority in the House, a very slim majority.

00:11:28.000 Somehow you keep cobbling together wins.

00:11:30.000 How is that happening?

00:11:31.000 Well, it's a team effort.

00:11:33.000 It really is.

00:11:33.000 We do a lot of work to keep everybody on the same page, and it pays off when we do that.

00:11:38.000 This is another example of that.

00:11:40.000 When the Republican Party sticks together, we can get big things done.

00:11:43.000 And this is a big thing.

00:11:44.000 Look, we funded the government.

00:11:45.000 It's a relatively clean CR, except that it has a couple of innovations.

00:11:50.000 Plused up defense spending and we reduced non-defense spending in small amounts, but it was important.

00:11:56.000 That's exactly what the Trump administration needed to give them flexibility to do what they need to do.

00:12:00.000 We are freezing funding.

00:12:02.000 This is a year-over-year decrease in funding, Ben, and that's the first time anybody can remember that that's happened.

00:12:08.000 So, you know, I keep making the analogy, we have an aircraft carrier.

00:12:13.000 That's what the federal budget is, right?

00:12:14.000 And it's taken decades to get into the situation we're in.

00:12:17.000 We're going to turn it.

00:12:18.000 But you don't turn an aircraft carrier on a dime.

00:12:20.000 It takes miles of open ocean.

00:12:22.000 So this is an important turn.

00:12:23.000 And then when we get to the next FY26, the next fiscal year budget, which we're about to begin immediately after FY25 is done, then it gets real.

00:12:33.000 Because then the doge cuts are included, the new revenue streams that the president and the administration are bringing about become a part of that.

00:12:39.000 And we're going to be in a totally different situation.

00:12:41.000 So we're excited.

00:12:42.000 It's a good day for America. 1.00

00:12:43.000 And I certainly hope the Senate does the right thing here.

00:12:45.000 Speaker Johnson, one of the things that you mentioned there is sort of the open ocean that you need in order to get things done.

00:12:50.000 The reality is the thing that everybody is waiting for is the one big, beautiful bill.

00:12:54.000 So how are the negotiations on that going?

00:12:56.000 Obviously, this wraps up a bunch of different topics into one gigantic bill.

00:13:00.000 And there's been some controversy between the House and the Senate over what that looks like.

00:13:03.000 The Senate had originally suggested they wanted two different bills, one that would be tax-focused, one that would be sort of immigration and defense-focused.

00:13:09.000 How are those negotiations going?

00:13:10.000 Well, they're going well.

00:13:12.000 Look, we did our work in the House.

00:13:13.000 We have to lead on this.

00:13:15.000 I've told my Senate colleagues, while there are different ideas on how to achieve the ultimate objective, it has to be all in one bill.

00:13:21.000 Why?

00:13:21.000 Because if Lindsey Graham's strategy played out, and Lindsey's my friend, we've had a fun discussion about this, okay?

00:13:27.000 But if you take energy, border, and defense spending, and you do that separately...

00:13:31.000 Of course, every Republican will vote for that.

00:13:33.000 That's the easy stuff.

00:13:34.000 But we need that as sweetener on the larger package.

00:13:37.000 Why?

00:13:37.000 Because we have tax to do.

00:13:39.000 And that's very complicated.

00:13:40.000 We've got to check a lot of boxes, all of our campaign promises, all in one big, beautiful bill.

00:13:45.000 But it's going along well, Ben.

00:13:46.000 And I want to point out, the House began this process a year ago.

00:13:49.000 It was last March when I brought in all the committee chairs, deputized them to start thinking about reconciliation, put their priorities together.

00:13:57.000 And we've done that.

00:13:58.000 So we're methodically working through the process.

00:13:59.000 What will happen is over the next Four or five weeks, we'll put all this together.

00:14:04.000 We'll meet the equilibrium point amongst all the Republicans and their various priorities and concerns.

00:14:09.000 We'll send it to the Senate.

00:14:10.000 And I'm hopeful, Ben, we can get this to the president's desk for signature before Memorial Day, hopefully early May.

00:14:16.000 Why is that so important?

00:14:17.000 Because we have to allow the American people to see the results of all this good policy before the midterm elections and in time to give them relief that they desperately need.

00:14:26.000 So one of the big questions that's emerging with regard to the tax bill, Speaker Johnson, is the question of baseline budgeting.

00:14:31.000 So typically, the Congressional Budget Office has a 10-year budget estimated on current law because the Trump tax cuts would expire over the course of the next couple of years.

00:14:40.000 The idea from some is that somehow we should treat a tax cut continuation as though that's a change in the law and then it wouldn't be deficit neutral.

00:14:47.000 Maybe you can explain what's going on.

00:14:48.000 Yeah, I mean, so this is the Senate parliamentarian ultimately that makes a decision on this.

00:14:53.000 The way it works, all this is kind of a legal fiction, Ben, really, but if the chairs of the two chambers in the budget committees agree that this is permanent policy, that we use current policy baseline, then it makes the tax cuts that we're going to extend permanent and extends it beyond 10 years.

00:15:12.000 That's an important thing.

00:15:13.000 It's what President Trump wants as a priority, and it's what I think people really need and deserve.

00:15:19.000 Because if you're a small business owner, for example, it's very helpful to have certainty, to know that you have, going forward into the future, certainty about what your federal tax rate is going to be.

00:15:28.000 That it wouldn't fluctuate in between elections and all of that.

00:15:31.000 But now, here's the caveat.

00:15:32.000 We want to make sure that we're fighting actual cuts.

00:15:35.000 We have to turn this aircraft carrier around.

00:15:38.000 We have too much federal spending.

00:15:39.000 The government's too large.

00:15:40.000 It does too many things.

00:15:41.000 Does almost nothing well, right?

00:15:43.000 So that's what the Doge effort is about.

00:15:45.000 That's what the Trump administration is completely dialed in on.

00:15:48.000 We want to reduce the size and scope of the federal government.

00:15:50.000 And to do that, you've got to find real savings.

00:15:52.000 So we want to encourage all the Republicans.

00:15:54.000 We're the only ones that cut spending, not the Democrats, as is on display.

00:15:58.000 We're going to encourage everybody to go and find real savings.

00:16:01.000 Preserve the safety net programs, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.

00:16:05.000 Don't believe the hype.

00:16:06.000 Don't believe what the Democrats are saying.

00:16:07.000 But find efficiencies.

00:16:09.000 Root out the fraud, waste, and abuse.

00:16:10.000 All these things that we think can find maybe a trillion dollars in savings for the taxpayer.

00:16:15.000 That's going to be a great thing, and it's all going to be wrapped into this big process.

00:16:18.000 So obviously all this is really important because as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent was saying yesterday and has been saying, the goal here is to provide a predictable, economically friendly future for business and investors.

00:16:27.000 This, of course, brings up the turmoil in the markets.

00:16:29.000 There's been a lot of turmoil in the markets over the course of the last three and a half weeks or so.

00:16:33.000 A lot of talk about tariffs, reciprocal tariffs and all the rest of this.

00:16:36.000 My great hope has been for the Trump administration that when President Trump says reciprocal, he means reciprocal, meaning that the goal is to get other countries to lower their tariffs so we can also lower our tariffs and then we sail off into the future together.

00:16:47.000 Is that the impression that you're getting from the administration at this point?

00:16:49.000 Yeah.

00:16:50.000 You know, and I talk to the president about this daily.

00:16:53.000 I do think that's the ultimate endgame here, is that, you know, we have huge disparities, really since World War II, since we became the last great superpower.

00:17:02.000 We had the responsibility of the free world placed upon our shoulders, and that's fine.

00:17:05.000 America has an exceptional place and a lot of responsibility, but other countries deemed our power.

00:17:11.000 To be an excuse for them to have trade disparity with us.

00:17:13.000 So we've got huge imbalances with lots of countries, even close allies.

00:17:17.000 President Trump is coming in and using common sense.

00:17:20.000 He's saying to these countries, this isn't...

00:17:23.000 Post-World War II, it's far beyond that now.

00:17:25.000 We need to have free and fair trade.

00:17:28.000 And I think that's going to be the ultimate result, Ben, as you said.

00:17:31.000 I think the reciprocal trade will fix the imbalances.

00:17:34.000 I think they'll bring down these huge disparities from the other countries.

00:17:37.000 And we'll get back to an actual free trade scenario.

00:17:40.000 That's going to be good for America. 0.92

00:17:41.000 And he is making our allies respect America again for the first time in a long time.

00:17:47.000 And that's long overdue.

00:17:48.000 Speaker Johnson, you're doing an incredible job under very trying circumstances.

00:17:52.000 Really appreciate your hard work.

00:17:53.000 And again, congrats on the victory in the continuing resolution fight.

00:17:57.000 So good to be with you, my friend.

00:17:58.000 Thanks for all you do.

00:17:59.000 Thanks a lot.

00:18:00.000 Speaking of the economy, now again, if you're a Democrat right now, if you're smart, and again, I don't mean to give advice to people who I hope continue to lose from here until the end of time, but if you are smart and you're a Democrat, the thing that you are focusing in on is not the continuing resolution.

00:18:13.000 It is not even Doge, which...

00:18:15.000 By and large, it's actually doing pretty popular things.

00:18:18.000 Most Americans don't like waste, fraud, and abuse.

00:18:20.000 Whatever they think of Elon Musk and whatever the media's take on Musk is irrelevant.

00:18:24.000 The real question is whether Americans like somebody going through the books and firing people who are useless on the federal government payroll.

00:18:31.000 They're focusing in on the wrong thing.

00:18:32.000 The obvious thing they should be focusing in on is the tariff controversies that are being driven by President Trump because they have a pretty clear Narrative win when it comes to the idea that this is creating havoc in the markets.

00:18:46.000 Yesterday, U.S. stocks slid.

00:18:48.000 The S&P 500 closed in correction territory, down more than 10% from its record high in February, according to CNN. The Dow ended the day down 537 points, 1.3%.

00:18:59.000 The S&P 500 fell 1.39%.

00:19:01.000 The Nasdaq was almost 2% lower.

00:19:03.000 The sell-off extended a route in U.S. markets that has been driven by the uncertainty around Trump's tariffs.

00:19:08.000 And by the way, you can see this happening in real time.

00:19:10.000 When President Trump does a presser, you can see the actual stock market reaction to his presser based on his answers.

00:19:17.000 You'll be watching him on the main screen talking about tariffing the EU, and you will see the Dow Jones Industrial Average dip from green into red as he talks, because the markets react very quickly to what President Trump is saying.

00:19:28.000 And as I've said before, even the sort of flip-flop appearance of chaos with regard to these tariffs is bad for markets.

00:19:34.000 Uncertainty is just bad for markets.

00:19:36.000 This is a point that the Treasury Secretary, Scott Besant, was making.

00:19:39.000 And I really hope that President Trump is taking advice from his quite brilliant Treasury Secretary.

00:19:44.000 And Besson is an excellent pick.

00:19:46.000 He knows exactly what he's doing.

00:19:47.000 Here he was, making the case for what the administration really is focusing on, or at least should be focusing on.

00:19:53.000 As I told the Business Roundtable yesterday, as I tell your viewers, what we're trying to do is create economic certainty.

00:19:59.000 We're going to do it with the tax plan.

00:20:01.000 We're going to do it with deregulation.

00:20:03.000 And I also said to the Business Roundtable, I think it was 135 CEOs yesterday, if you came out with a plan similar to what Doge wants to do with the federal government, all your stocks would go up 15 or 20 percent.

00:20:17.000 It would be considered a miraculous restructuring, cost savings, and put you on a sustainable course.

00:20:25.000 And that, of course, is exactly, that's the stuff that Trump really needs to focus in on.

00:20:30.000 Unfortunately, the stock market has now dropped, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has dropped from a high on February 19th, which again is less than a month ago, of 44,627, all the way down to yesterday's close at 40,813.

00:20:47.000 Okay, which means that the stock market has now dropped something like 3,700 points, almost more than 8% over the course of the last month.

00:20:56.000 So that should be a winning case for Democrats, right?

00:20:58.000 This is what they should be focusing in on.

00:20:59.000 James Carville has been making this case.

00:21:01.000 Again, I think James Carville is a schmuck, but James Carville is not stupid.

00:21:05.000 And when he says, wait around for your opponent to make the mistake, that, of course, is good political advice.

00:21:11.000 Well, obviously...

00:21:12.000 I want President Trump's agenda to succeed.

00:21:15.000 I've said this a thousand times.

00:21:16.000 The way that it's going to succeed is focusing in on doge, on deregulation, on tax cuts, on doing the things that create a predictable investment environment.

00:21:24.000 It is not helped by President Trump continuing to bang on the Canadians.

00:21:28.000 Smacking around the Canadians, again, it might be fun and games. 1.00

00:21:31.000 It might be enjoyable to rip on the people up north who keep putting us in words that don't need them.

00:21:37.000 I just don't understand what the actual economic...

00:21:40.000 Goal here is.

00:21:41.000 What is the attempt to achieve?

00:21:43.000 This notion that Canada is somehow screwing us on trade is just not true.

00:21:47.000 It is not true.

00:21:48.000 The average Canadian tariffs on American goods, the average, is one of the lowest in the world on American goods.

00:21:54.000 Under an agreement President Trump himself negotiated in Trump Term 1, the Canadian trade deficit is only in oil.

00:22:03.000 Every other area, we have a trade surplus with Canada.

00:22:06.000 So I suppose if we want to stop buying oil from Canada, we could do that.

00:22:09.000 I'm not sure why we would do that, presumably.

00:22:11.000 They're not exactly an enemy of the United States.

00:22:14.000 Our cruel northern neighbors.

00:22:16.000 President Trump keeps suggesting that Canada should simply be absorbed as the 51st state.

00:22:21.000 Well, they're a sovereign country.

00:22:22.000 They're not going to be absorbed as the 51st.

00:22:23.000 Again, I like the joke, but at the point when the joke meets reality, things start to get a little dicier.

00:22:29.000 And one of the unfortunate effects, I'll say this over and over, Pierre Polyev was leading in the polls.

00:22:35.000 By a huge margin until the trade war started.

00:22:38.000 Then the trade war started and now it appears that Justin Trudeau's party is likely to retain power in Canada.

00:22:44.000 That is terrible.

00:22:46.000 That is bad.

00:22:47.000 If you want other countries to sympathize with the Trump agenda and everything from free market economics to foreign policy, you would like for those countries to be friendlier with the United States than you don't want to drive them into the arms of political opponents.

00:23:01.000 But here's President Trump yesterday ripping on Canada again, suggesting they need to become the 50s.

00:23:05.000 Again, I get the joke, guys.

00:23:06.000 I get the joke.

00:23:07.000 But when people start taking the joke seriously, it's kind of a problem.

00:23:11.000 As a state, it would be one of the great states anyway.

00:23:14.000 This would be the most incredible country visually.

00:23:17.000 If you look at a map, they drew an artificial line right through it between Canada and the U.S. Just a straight artificial line.

00:23:25.000 Somebody did it a long time ago, many, many decades ago, and makes no sense.

00:23:32.000 It's so perfect as a great and cherished state.

00:23:37.000 Keeping O Canada, the national anthem.

00:23:41.000 I love it.

00:23:42.000 I think it's great.

00:23:43.000 Keep it.

00:23:43.000 But it'll be for the state, one of our greatest states.

00:23:47.000 Maybe our greatest state.

00:23:48.000 Again, hilarious, but not as hilarious when the Canadians, in response to all of this are like, listen, we're a little bit freaked out and so we're going to increase our tariffs.

00:23:58.000 And then we get into a tariff war with the EU. And all the rest.

00:24:00.000 We'll get to more on this in a moment.

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00:26:12.000 And again, all of this is the precursor to what is supposed to happen on April 2nd.

00:26:15.000 This is one of the reasons the markets are freaking out right now.

00:26:18.000 Because President Trump said in his State of the Union address, and I want to actually quote it here, quote, This system is not fair to the United States and never was.

00:26:26.000 He's talking about the trade system.

00:26:28.000 He said, On average, the EU, China, Brazil, India, Mexico, Canada, have you heard of them?

00:26:32.000 Countless other nations charge us tremendously higher tariffs than we charge them.

00:26:35.000 It's very unfair.

00:26:36.000 India charges us auto tariffs higher than 100%.

00:26:39.000 China's average tariff on our products is twice what we charge them.

00:26:42.000 South Korea's average tariff is four times higher.

00:26:44.000 Think of that.

00:26:45.000 Four times higher.

00:26:46.000 And so he says, the system is not fair to the United States.

00:26:48.000 It never was.

00:26:49.000 And so on April 2nd, I wanted to make it April 1st, but I don't want to be accused of April Fool's Day.

00:26:53.000 Just one day, which costs us a lot of money.

00:26:55.000 We're going to do it in April.

00:26:56.000 I'm a very superstitious person.

00:26:57.000 April 2nd, reciprocal tariffs kick in.

00:26:59.000 Whatever they tariff us, other countries, we will tariff them. 0.99

00:27:01.000 That's reciprocal, back and forth.

00:27:03.000 Whatever they tax us, we will tax them.

00:27:05.000 If they do non-monetary tariffs to keep us out of their market, we will do non-monetary barriers to keep them out of our market.

00:27:10.000 There's a lot of that too.

00:27:11.000 They don't even allow us in their market.

00:27:13.000 We will take in trillions and trillions of dollars and create jobs like we have never seen before.

00:27:17.000 Okay, this is where the disconnect happens.

00:27:19.000 Reciprocal tariffs as an idea to drive down tariffs is actually precisely what Canada is trying to do with us right now.

00:27:24.000 We increased our tariffs on certain products.

00:27:26.000 They increased their tariffs in an attempt to get us to ratchet back down our tariffs.

00:27:30.000 So President Trump's saying...

00:27:31.000 We're going to do that to all these other countries on April 2nd.

00:27:33.000 We're going to do it to South Korea.

00:27:34.000 We're going to do it, presumably, to China.

00:27:36.000 We're going to do it to Brazil, to India, to Mexico, to the EU, basically all of our main trading partners.

00:27:40.000 We're going to do that to them.

00:27:41.000 Now, it would be one thing if he said we're doing that in order to get them to lower their tariffs.

00:27:46.000 Instead, he says that he's doing that because the tariffs themselves will make us richer.

00:27:51.000 We'll take in trillions and trillions of dollars and create jobs like we have never seen before.

00:27:55.000 Not by getting them to lower their trade barriers, which actually would do that, but by increasing our own.

00:28:00.000 Trade barriers.

00:28:01.000 And this is why markets are saying, um, it's March 14th today.

00:28:05.000 In a couple of weeks, if we get President Trump radically increasing tariffs, and he's already making noises about it now, well, what are the markets going to do in just a couple of weeks?

00:28:14.000 This is how people who trade in the markets think.

00:28:17.000 They take in the information, and then they just determine on as objective a level as they can whether this means that markets are going to go up or whether they're going to go down.

00:28:26.000 Well, yesterday, Martha McCallum over at Fox News was pressing Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, who's an advocate for a lot of these tariff measures, about the Canadian tariffs.

00:28:33.000 What's the point of these?

00:28:35.000 So why not just eliminate the tariffs between Canada and the United States?

00:28:40.000 Is that a place that we can get to?

00:28:42.000 Because, I mean, it's mind-boggling.

00:28:44.000 Like, 25 percent, now it's going to be 50 percent, now we're back to 25 percent.

00:28:48.000 You know, why not just eliminate all the tariffs?

00:28:51.000 That would be true if you were Fox Canada.

00:28:54.000 Fox Canada would like that, but Fox USA. I'm just asking the question.

00:28:59.000 I heard President Trump moments ago say $200 million we send in aid, essentially, to Canada.

00:29:05.000 So are we going to eliminate that?

00:29:06.000 I mean, tell me what the starting points are.

00:29:08.000 That's what I want to know.

00:29:09.000 The starting point is we care about America first.

00:29:13.000 We care about American workers first.

00:29:15.000 And we want to bring back those jobs to America.

00:29:19.000 Now, again.

00:29:21.000 If the idea is the tariffs are going to quote-unquote bring all the jobs back to America, first of all, jobs are not an amazing gauge of the economic health of a country.

00:29:28.000 They are a decent gauge if the unemployment numbers are super high.

00:29:33.000 It's a good shot the economy is doing really poorly.

00:29:34.000 If the unemployment numbers are really fantastic, actually you can have countries where the unemployment numbers are really fantastic that are absolute bleepholes.

00:29:43.000 North Korea has a 0% unemployment rate.

00:29:45.000 Why?

00:29:45.000 Because everybody works for the government.

00:29:47.000 So actually it's not a good proxy.

00:29:49.000 What you actually want for economic growth is the living standard of the American people.

00:29:53.000 Is it getting better or is it getting worse?

00:29:55.000 And there's so much gamesmanship that is played, all these sort of bizarre games that are played with regard to numbers, everything from the GDP to inflation rates to living standards and all the rest of it.

00:30:06.000 My preferred standard is the standard that is used by the economist Marion Toopey in his book Super Abundance.

00:30:12.000 And that is, how many hours do I have to work to achieve a certain good?

00:30:18.000 And that is beginning cheaper and cheaper and cheaper over time for virtually every vital good in human existence.

00:30:22.000 To take, for example, electricity.

00:30:24.000 The reality is that if you were to find the equivalent of electricity 200 years ago, it would be whale oil.

00:30:31.000 How many hours did you have to work for some whale oil so you could read a book at night?

00:30:34.000 And the answer was you had to work a significant number of hours in order to achieve the money necessary to buy the whale oil.

00:30:40.000 Today, you can flip on the light and it costs you almost nothing.

00:30:43.000 And that is true for an enormous number of goods, products, and services in the United States.

00:30:46.000 For all the people who are nostalgic for the 1950s, I don't see a bunch of these people sending their kids to riveting school because they want them to work on an assembly line at Ford.

00:30:54.000 They're all sending their kids to college so their kids can be techies.

00:30:58.000 For all of the talk about how Americans are living so much worse than they were in 1980, that is not actively true.

00:31:04.000 It isn't.

00:31:05.000 You would not trade your economic life.

00:31:07.000 I'm not talking about your spiritual life.

00:31:08.000 There are lots of problems with America spiritually.

00:31:10.000 You would not trade your economic life right now for your economic life in 1980. You wouldn't.

00:31:17.000 Because you wouldn't have a cell phone.

00:31:18.000 You wouldn't have a computer.

00:31:21.000 I remember these times.

00:31:22.000 I'm old enough to remember before the internet was a big thing.

00:31:25.000 I'm old enough to remember when cell phones were not available.

00:31:28.000 And the only cell phone you saw was Gordon Gekko walking around on the beach carrying basically a giant box on his head.

00:31:35.000 This sort of stuff is how economies develop.

00:31:38.000 So using the proper metrics is important.

00:31:40.000 The metric of we're going to bring jobs home, we're going to bring jobs.

00:31:42.000 Again, it's not hard to bring jobs home.

00:31:45.000 Everybody works for the government, or if everybody is subsidized by the government, the question is economic health.

00:31:50.000 Is everybody's economic livelihood getting better?

00:31:53.000 And again, you can make the case that in some areas, America's economic livelihood is not as good as it was a few years ago.

00:31:59.000 Presumably with home ownership would be a good example.

00:32:01.000 But overall, is America worse off now economically than we were in 1980 in terms of America's everyday life?

00:32:08.000 Not in terms of the national debt, in terms of America's everyday life.

00:32:10.000 The answer, of course, is no.

00:32:12.000 We are not.

00:32:13.000 Okay, so what is the goal?

00:32:14.000 So what are we trying to achieve here?

00:32:16.000 Well, Howard Lutnick said, again yesterday, the Commerce Secretary, that all these people, the Canadians, they need to say thank you to us.

00:32:23.000 That's what we're looking for.

00:32:24.000 We're looking for a thank you.

00:32:26.000 The biggest trading partner in the whole world that is vital to Canada's existence says, I'm unhappy.

00:32:35.000 And they respond negatively.

00:32:37.000 You know why?

00:32:38.000 Because for 20 years, 30 years, they've gotten away with it.

00:32:41.000 Right?

00:32:42.000 It's like Ukraine. 0.90

00:32:43.000 They came in. 0.60

00:32:43.000 You imagine coming into this country, sitting in the Oval Office, having received $300 billion in aid from us, and military, and NATO, and all the rest, and the first words out of your mouth aren't, thank you. 0.60

00:32:57.000 Just say thank you.

00:32:58.000 God knows, just say thank you.

00:33:00.000 Okay, so first of all, sure.

00:33:02.000 I mean, everybody should say thank you to the United States all the time.

00:33:04.000 Everybody should thank God for the United States all the time.

00:33:06.000 We are the most benevolent world power in human history.

00:33:09.000 No question.

00:33:10.000 Sure, everybody should say thank you.

00:33:13.000 However, is that a way to make trade policy?

00:33:17.000 Let's say the Canadians come tomorrow and they say thank you.

00:33:18.000 Thank you for being the power on our southern border that protects us from enemies, foreign and domestic, and that helps drive our economy.

00:33:26.000 Thank you for that.

00:33:26.000 If they say thank you tomorrow, do the tariffs go away?

00:33:29.000 And what exactly is the goal?

00:33:30.000 Again, if the goal here is to lower the tariffs, I'm for it.

00:33:33.000 If the goal here is just the idea that tariffs are going to make us somehow richer, again, no one is for that, including, by the way, Tesla.

00:33:40.000 So Tesla sent out a letter to the administration yesterday.

00:33:43.000 This is Elon Musk's company.

00:33:45.000 It sent out an unsigned letter to the administration warning that President Trump's trade war could make it a target for retaliatory tariffs against the United States and increase the cost of making vehicles in America.

00:33:55.000 In an unsigned letter, this is the Financial Times reporting, addressed to U.S. Trade Representative Jamison Greer, Tesla said it supports fair trade, but warned that U.S. exporters were, quote, exposed to disproportionate impacts when other countries respond to U.S. trade actions.

00:34:08.000 For example, past trade actions by the United States have resulted in immediate reactions by the targeted countries, including increased tariffs on EVs, electric vehicles, imported into those countries.

00:34:18.000 And that, of course, is not a shock.

00:34:19.000 If we are hitting other places where they live, they're going to hit us where we live.

00:34:22.000 They're going to hit our tech sector.

00:34:25.000 The question I have in all this is, what is the goal?

00:34:27.000 And this is where, again, I'm bewildered that Democrats are not honing in on this.

00:34:31.000 Why are Democrats not honing in on this?

00:34:33.000 Just as a matter of politics, it's malpractice.

00:34:35.000 Maybe they agree with the tariffs.

00:34:37.000 Maybe they have no idea what they're doing.

00:34:38.000 I don't know.

00:34:39.000 Whatever it is, when markets go down, that is typically a good proxy for a good line of political attack.

00:34:46.000 And meanwhile, none of this, it's just not necessary.

00:34:49.000 It's not necessary.

00:34:50.000 Why are we focusing in on a tariff war initiated against...

00:34:54.000 Our allies, mainly.

00:34:56.000 Places like Canada.

00:34:58.000 Places like the EU. China's right there, and China is perfectly willing to ship its goods anywhere, cheaply, and make deals with Canada and the EU. And there's plenty of stuff that needs to get done.

00:35:09.000 Again, as the Treasury Secretary, Scott Besson, suggested, what the administration should be focused on is deregulation, cuts to government, and tax cuts.

00:35:18.000 Speaking of which, you can see the panic in the eyes of the public sector employee unions.

00:35:23.000 One of the worst aspects of American politics is the fact that you have all of these unions that are in the public sector.

00:35:28.000 A taxpayer-funded public unions.

00:35:30.000 And these unions are not negotiating against a profit-driven management, against a business-savvy management.

00:35:37.000 Instead, they are negotiating against the taxpayer.

00:35:40.000 And they are literally electing the people to negotiate on behalf of the taxpayer.

00:35:45.000 So these public sector unions donate enormous amounts of money to Democrats, and then they negotiate with the Democrats for their own salary.

00:35:51.000 All to be paid for by the national debt or by the taxpayers.

00:35:54.000 Well, now Doge is coming in and cutting a lot of these folks.

00:35:56.000 And they are freaking out.

00:35:58.000 Totally freaking out.

00:35:59.000 So here, for example, is the president of the American Federation of Government Employees, Everett Kelly.

00:36:05.000 And he's freaking out.

00:36:08.000 Well, first of all, I think that's misinformation.

00:36:10.000 And this administration is very good at putting out false information.

00:36:15.000 The government today is the same size it was in the 70s, okay?

00:36:19.000 You know, the population has exploded, but the amount of federal workers has not.

00:36:25.000 So that's just a false information about it being too big.

00:36:29.000 It's the same size it was in the 70s.

00:36:31.000 Well, I mean, the idea that the federal government is the same size it was in the 70s belies the fact that the federal budget in 1970 was approximately $195 billion.

00:36:44.000 That was the total outlay of the federal government in 1970. $195 billion.

00:36:49.000 Today, the annual outlay of the federal government is somewhere in the neighborhood of $6 to $7 trillion.

00:36:56.000 Okay, so, no.

00:36:58.000 Yes, the federal government has grown just a little bit.

00:37:01.000 Just a little bit.

00:37:04.000 The federal budget in 1970, on a non-inflation adjusted basis.

00:37:08.000 It's about 3% of what the total federal budget is right now.

00:37:11.000 So to pretend the federal government hasn't grown is totally psychotic.

00:37:13.000 It's just ridiculous on its face.

00:37:16.000 Unfortunately, the Trump administration is facing down adversaries across the country in the form of district court judges.

00:37:22.000 Yesterday, U.S. District Court Judge William Alsup described the mass firings that have been made by Doge as a, quote, sham strategy by the government's Central Human Resources Office to sidestep legal requirements for reducing the federal workforce.

00:37:33.000 and this is one of the really terrible effects of these public sector unions they sign these long-term contracts in which people basically can't get fired which is ridiculous you should be an at-will employee of the federal government if you're working for the federal government this judge was a san francisco based appointee of president bill clinton's Shocker, shocker.

00:37:52.000 He ordered the Defense, Treasury, Energy, Interior, Agriculture, and Veterans Affairs Departments to immediately offer all fired probationary employees their jobs back.

00:38:00.000 The Office of Personal Management, according to the judge, had made an unlawful decision to terminate them.

00:38:06.000 ALSEP said that the agencies have the authority to implement reductions in force, but they have to follow proper procedures, so they're claiming this is a procedural matter.

00:38:13.000 Well, we'll find out.

00:38:14.000 We'll find out, because all this stuff's going to end up at the Supreme Court.

00:38:18.000 By the way, so should the general principle that district court judges have the ability to issue nationwide injunctions on the basis of having jurisdiction over a small share of the United States.

00:38:29.000 Well, meanwhile, the Trump administration has been cracking down on...

00:38:34.000 Pro-terrorism protests at universities all over the country.

00:38:38.000 And hilariously, now Colombia has decided that, you know, it might not be a great idea to have foreign exchange students who actually support terrorism.

00:38:45.000 According to the Columbia University statement that was just put out yesterday, the Columbia University Judicial Board determined findings and issued sanctions to students ranging from multi-year suspensions, temporary degree revocations, and expulsions related to the occupation of Hamilton Hall last spring.

00:38:59.000 You remember this?

00:39:00.000 A bunch of pro-Hamas protesters took over buildings on campus violently.

00:39:04.000 With respect to other events taking place last spring, the UJB's determinations recognized previously imposed disciplinary action.

00:39:10.000 The return of suspended students will be overseen by Columbia University's Life Office.

00:39:14.000 So finally, they are actually enforcing their own rules.

00:39:16.000 That is only because the administration threatened to remove their federal aid dollars.

00:39:21.000 Until then, they were perfectly fine with their own university being taken over by the radicals because, of course, they largely agreed with the radicals.

00:39:28.000 Meanwhile, along the same lines, the controversy continues over Mahmoud Khalil.

00:39:33.000 He was a foreign exchange student who apparently attained a green card.

00:39:37.000 He was brought to the United States apparently to learn how to agitate because that's pretty much all he did at Columbia University.

00:39:42.000 He joined up with a group called Columbia University Apartheid Divest.

00:39:46.000 This was the group that led the violent protests at Columbia taking over buildings.

00:39:50.000 He was the chief negotiator on behalf of that group.

00:39:52.000 That group put out many statements in solidarity with the violent actions of Hamas.

00:39:55.000 And somehow the idea is that he can't be deported now because he has a green card.

00:40:00.000 Again, we're not talking about an American citizen.

00:40:03.000 And by the way, the real question here is not whether he should be deported.

00:40:06.000 The question is why the hell he was here as a foreign exchange student in the first place.

00:40:09.000 How did he end up with a student visa?

00:40:11.000 Well, yesterday, pro-Hamas protesters took over Trump Tower in New York City.

00:40:16.000 And so I hope that all these people who are illegally inside Trump Tower and trespassing, I hope that they, in fact, are prosecuted.

00:40:23.000 And if they are here on a student visa, then they can go home as well.

00:40:27.000 That'd be fun.

00:40:28.000 Because it turns out that violating the law by taking over somebody else's property...

00:40:32.000 It is in fact a deportable crime.

00:40:34.000 Here we go.

00:40:35.000 Okay, and then they started chanting, Bring Mahmoud home.

00:40:48.000 Okay, which again is a riff on the Israeli attempt to get actual hostages to be brought home from the predations of Hamas.

00:40:56.000 Just wonderful people.

00:40:58.000 And these are the people that the Democrats have decided that they truly need to reach out to.

00:41:02.000 And this is the single moral issue on which they are absolutely unified, is that terrorist supporters who get in here on a student visa should be allowed to get a green card and then should be allowed to stay permanently in the country.

00:41:11.000 That's what America needs more of.

00:41:13.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, about 300 protesters entered the Manhattan skyscraper that houses the Trump Organization and the president's New York penthouse on Thursday and then swarmed the ground floor.

00:41:22.000 The New York Police Department arrested 98 pro-Palestinian protesters.

00:41:26.000 No injuries reported.

00:41:27.000 No property was damaged.

00:41:29.000 Okay, but if you're arrested...

00:41:30.000 And you're here on a visa.

00:41:32.000 You can go.

00:41:33.000 We don't need you here, actually.

00:41:35.000 That's fine.

00:41:37.000 And it's not the same thing if you're an American citizen.

00:41:39.000 If you're an American citizen, you have the right to say whatever dumb thing you want to.

00:41:42.000 That is not the same thing if you are here as a guest of the United States.

00:41:46.000 Obviously.

00:41:47.000 Meanwhile, the Trump administration is moving in strong ways to cut the Department of Education.

00:41:52.000 According to the Washington Post, the Trump administration...

00:41:56.000 Okay, so then they fixed it.

00:42:11.000 This, of course, is going to be used as an excuse to suggest that there can't be any cuts to the Department of Education at all.

00:42:17.000 But the reality is that when you are moving fast and breaking things, you're going to rebuild the pieces that you most need.

00:42:23.000 And that's what's going to happen.

00:42:25.000 With federal student aid, for example, the percentage of people who were laid off in the federal student aid arena were about 30%, so that shouldn't kill federal student aid by any stretch of the imagination.

00:42:37.000 The number of people who were fired in the Institute of Education Sciences, that's more like 78%.

00:42:43.000 These are huge layoffs.

00:42:46.000 According to Frederick Hess, Director of Education Policy Studies at the American Enterprise Institute, we're talking about huge layoffs, unprecedented layoffs.

00:42:55.000 So, of course, Democrats are freaking out about this.

00:42:57.000 Randy Weingarten, in particular, is freaking out.

00:42:59.000 She says it's death by 2,000 cuts.

00:43:01.000 Well, I can only hope that her evil leadership of the American Federation of Teachers ends up on the chopping block.

00:43:08.000 Look, I don't know.

00:43:11.000 She's only been on the job for five days.

00:43:14.000 And I think she's well-meaning enough.

00:43:17.000 But you can't basically cut half the people that work on these things and expect that...

00:43:24.000 You're going to have the grants go to schools directly.

00:43:28.000 So it is basically death by 2,000 cuts.

00:43:33.000 Okay, so we will find out soon enough whether that is true.

00:43:36.000 We can only hope that that is the case.

00:43:38.000 Meanwhile, the negotiations over Ukraine continue.

00:43:42.000 Vladimir Putin has rejected them.

00:43:43.000 Vladimir Putin has said that he is not interested in an immediate ceasefire.

00:43:47.000 He instead wants a longer-term ceasefire, but without any of the conditions that would actually be necessary to achieve that ceasefire.

00:43:53.000 Let's be real.

00:43:54.000 There is not going to be a ceasefire, an armistice, anything like that unless there are security guarantees to Ukraine preventing this from happening again in two years when Russia has rearmed.

00:44:04.000 That is the only way Ukraine will sign on to anything, and frankly, it's the only reason that Ukraine should sign on to anything. 0.86

00:44:09.000 And if Vladimir Putin continues to press forward militarily, it would not be in the interests of the United States or any of our allies for him to take Eve.

00:44:16.000 That would be a mistake.

00:44:18.000 If you actually want to get to an off-ramp that freezes the lines where they are, you have to maintain enough pressure to keep Vladimir Putin from strolling through Kiev and rolling tanks into western Ukraine.

00:44:28.000 Well, Putin apparently feels like he's got control of these negotiations, which, honestly, the United States should take as an insult.

00:44:35.000 Putin said on Thursday he did not support an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine.

00:44:38.000 Calling for more discussion on a permanent end to the war as Moscow's army made rapid gains toward expelling Kiev's forces from the Kursk region.

00:44:44.000 Again, the interruption in aid and intelligence that the United States was trying to use to leverage Ukraine back to the table has had some significant downside impact in the Kursk region.

00:44:53.000 Kursk, of course, is in Russia.

00:44:55.000 It is one of the areas where Ukraine is pushed forward. 0.87

00:44:57.000 Why?

00:44:57.000 Because they then want to trade that territory for area in Crimea or the Donbass.

00:45:01.000 Putin said any pause in fighting at this point would be in Ukraine's interest because Russia is gaining on the battlefield and a host of issues would need to be resolved before a ceasefire could be reached.

00:45:09.000 Those were the first official responses from Moscow after Ukraine agreed this week to US back proposal for a pause in the war.

00:45:16.000 Putin spoke as President Trump's Special Envoy Steve Witkoff was due in Moscow.

00:45:20.000 Trump said that he planned to speak with Putin soon and was pressing to a speedy end to the conflict.

00:45:25.000 Here was President Trump talking about this yesterday flanked by the NATO Secretary General Mark Rudy.

00:45:30.000 So we're saying, look, this is what you can get, this is what you can't get.

00:45:34.000 They discussed NATO and being in NATO, and everybody knows what the answer to that is.

00:45:38.000 They've known that answer for 40 years, in all fairness.

00:45:42.000 So a lot of the details of a final agreement have actually been discussed.

00:45:48.000 Now we're going to see whether or not Russia's there, and if they're not, it'll be a very disappointing moment for the world.

00:45:55.000 And it will be a disappointing moment for the world if Vladimir Putin continues to push forward.

00:45:59.000 He said, who will give orders to stop fighting?

00:46:00.000 What is the price of those orders?

00:46:02.000 Who will determine where and by whom they were violated?

00:46:05.000 Well, I mean, if you guys crossed the border into Ukraine again, then you'd be the one violating the orders.

00:46:11.000 President Zelensky of Ukraine called Putin's response highly predictable and manipulative words aimed at dragging out the process by setting unworkable preconditions.

00:46:18.000 And, of course, Zelensky actually is right about that.

00:46:21.000 He said, Putin is afraid to tell President Trump directly he wants to continue this war and keep killing Ukrainians.

00:46:25.000 Putin does this often.

00:46:26.000 He doesn't say no.

00:46:27.000 He drags things out and makes reasonable solutions impossible.

00:46:30.000 Again, that is accurate from Zelensky.

00:46:32.000 Everything is Zelensky.

00:46:33.000 Putin is the one who's not accepting an immediate ceasefire right now.

00:46:35.000 And Putin is the one who's suggesting an inordinate number of preconditions that are just not doable.

00:46:40.000 They're just not doable.

00:46:41.000 He says that he doesn't want Ukraine to rearm.

00:46:43.000 Well, of course Ukraine is going to rearm. 0.87

00:46:44.000 You just invaded them.

00:46:46.000 What do you think they would do?

00:46:47.000 Sit there with a half-scarred military? 0.92

00:46:52.000 It's ridiculous.

00:46:54.000 It's ridiculous.

00:46:56.000 So, it'll be interesting to see what happens from here.

00:46:59.000 Obviously, the ire of the Trump administration should turn to the intransigent party now, and the intransigent party is not Vladimir Zelensky, who has been properly chastened by the Trump administration.

00:47:09.000 The obstinate party right now is pretty obviously Vladimir Putin, who feels as though he has his opposition on the run.

00:47:16.000 Well, folks, a little bit earlier this week, I had a chance to sit down with my friend Seth Dillon from the Babylon Bee to talk all things comedy, humor, and politics.

00:47:24.000 This is a great conversation.

00:47:25.000 Here's what it sounded like.

00:47:26.000 Well, I'm joined here in studio by Seth Dillon, the founder of the Babylon Bee, which is, of course, the funniest news site in America.

00:47:33.000 It's a satirical news site, as it constantly points out.

00:47:35.000 And yet the left seems never to understand.

00:47:37.000 Seth, great to see you.

00:47:38.000 Great to see you, too.

00:47:39.000 I have to correct you, though.

00:47:39.000 Not the founder, just CEO.

00:47:41.000 Just CEO.

00:47:41.000 Adam Ford.

00:47:42.000 That's true.

00:47:42.000 I don't want to take that away from Adam.

00:47:44.000 He's the brilliant mind that began the whole thing.

00:47:46.000 I wish I'd started it, but I took it over in 2018.

00:47:49.000 It's been an amazing journey for the Babylon Bee.

00:47:51.000 It is also amazing to think that...

00:47:54.000 The change that has happened across the world may have happened because you guys got banned at Twitter for making a joke that boys are not girls.

00:48:03.000 Yeah.

00:48:04.000 I mean, to be caught up in that whole thing was crazy.

00:48:07.000 I avoid saying that we were the reason he bought Twitter because we weren't.

00:48:12.000 The reason he bought Twitter was free speech.

00:48:14.000 It was free speech.

00:48:16.000 The Babylon Bee was a symptom of that, right?

00:48:18.000 So you had...

00:48:18.000 He was...

00:48:19.000 Getting really concerned about the fact that there was these bad ideas, wokeness in particular, which he called divisive, exclusionary, hateful, a civilizational threat.

00:48:28.000 He was really concerned about the spread of these bad ideas and the inability of people to push back on them and respond to them because it was considered hate speech or misinformation or whatever.

00:48:38.000 So when we got kicked off for telling a joke that we weren't supposed to tell, which those are the ones we should be telling, it alarmed him.

00:48:46.000 It got him really concerned and worked up about it.

00:48:50.000 Maybe it was the straw that broke the camel's back.

00:48:52.000 I don't know.

00:48:52.000 Well, I mean, again, it is kind of funny to think that you guys are that first domino in the domino, maybe, that ends with President Trump destroying DEI in the Oval Office with a baseball bat and all the rest of it.

00:49:02.000 That must be an amazing thing.

00:49:03.000 But I want to ask you about how to do comedy in this particular era because comedy is now closer to prophecy.

00:49:08.000 We've done entire segments of the show talking about how Babylon B headlines end up being prophetic.

00:49:16.000 The lag time has gone down.

00:49:17.000 It used to be like a five-year lag time between when you'd write a headline and when it would materialize.

00:49:20.000 Now it seems to be about a month headline between when you write a headline and then it materializes.

00:49:26.000 How do you do comedy in an era that is this outlandishly absurd?

00:49:30.000 It's challenging.

00:49:31.000 I think that probably a common misconception is that it's easier because there's a lot to make fun of.

00:49:38.000 And there's truth to that to an extent.

00:49:39.000 Obviously, there's crazy things happening in the world that are easy to make fun of.

00:49:43.000 But the problem is when you're...

00:49:44.000 I think the more, like...

00:50:05.000 We swing back in the direction of sanity and stop doing some of the really crazy things.

00:50:11.000 Like the joke that we had told about that got us kicked out of Twitter was a joke about Admiral Rachel Levine having been named, you know, she was named she.

00:50:18.000 He was named Woman of the Year by USA Today.

00:50:22.000 Tricky language.

00:50:23.000 And we mocked that by naming Rachel Levine our pick for Man of the Year.

00:50:27.000 Well, you know...

00:50:28.000 Comedy like that, you look at the real headline and it seems like it is satire.

00:50:33.000 It seems like a parody.

00:50:34.000 It seems like something you'd see on South Park.

00:50:36.000 And so in that environment, obviously it's a target-rich environment, but it's hard to satirize what already feels like parody.

00:50:42.000 But as we swing back in the direction of sanity, I think that dies down a little bit.

00:50:46.000 And you've got to look for other things to make fun of.

00:50:48.000 And one of the other things that seems to have happened over the course of the last 10, 15 years is I actually think people have lost a lot of their sense of humor.

00:50:55.000 It used to be that you could laugh at a joke, particularly about your own side.

00:50:59.000 It was okay to laugh at jokes about your own side.

00:51:01.000 Things that I would say on the show in 2015 that were kind of jokes about Republicans or President Trump or Ted Cruz or whomever was running, because that was a really funny primary.

00:51:09.000 I mean, 2016 was a hysterical time in American life.

00:51:11.000 If you don't remember all the way back to 2016, youngins, let me just tell you, that race, that primary race was hysterically funny.

00:51:18.000 That was right when the beast started, too.

00:51:20.000 Exactly.

00:51:20.000 It was like Donald Trump on stage insulting Rand Paul's hair by saying he had like a dead animal on his head.

00:51:25.000 And President Trump going after.

00:51:27.000 And it was inherently funny that President Trump became President Trump.

00:51:31.000 I just remember the night of the election literally bursting out laughing hysterically for like 90 seconds live on air when it was announced that he'd won because it was so outlandish.

00:51:39.000 And yet now it's obvious why that happened.

00:51:42.000 And in retrospect, you can kind of see the historic moment happening.

00:51:44.000 But at the time, it was really, really humorous.

00:51:47.000 But everybody, I think, also was willing to laugh at things.

00:51:49.000 Do you feel like people are less willing to laugh at things on pretty much all sides of the aisle in a lot of ways?

00:51:54.000 Yeah, I mean, it's kind of disconcerting to see it happening on the right, too.

00:51:58.000 But it was becoming a major problem, you know, to the point where Seinfeld was talking about how he won't do college campuses anymore.

00:52:04.000 You know, he had this kind of safe space.

00:52:06.000 I need to be insulated in a bubble.

00:52:08.000 My feelings can never be hurt.

00:52:10.000 That whole thing was...

00:52:11.000 It destroyed...

00:52:14.000 The ability of people to look at themselves in a critical way, especially with mockery, where they're able to actually have that introspection where they say, some of the things that I do are ridiculous too, and I should be willing to laugh at that.

00:52:25.000 There's a maturity in that, and we kind of stunted our own growth, I think, as a culture by suppressing that and saying, no, your feelings should never be hurt by anything, including a joke, and humor is actually harmful.

00:52:38.000 I don't think humor is harmful.

00:52:39.000 I think we were more unified than ever when we were joking about each other.

00:52:43.000 And willing to laugh at ourselves.

00:52:44.000 And if you go back 20, 30 years in comedy, that was much more prevalent than it has been over the last decade.

00:52:50.000 And I've seen some, you know, on the right getting angry about jokes at their expense in the way that the left used to.

00:52:57.000 And I bristle at that.

00:52:58.000 I don't like people taking themselves too seriously.

00:53:00.000 I think it's unhealthy that we take ourselves so seriously.

00:53:02.000 You know, you've got to be willing to laugh at yourself.

00:53:04.000 And if you can't do that, you know, if you're taking yourself that seriously, you're not going to enjoy life.

00:53:09.000 For one thing.

00:53:11.000 But you're going to be stuck as a child in an adult's body.

00:53:15.000 You need to grow up and be willing to laugh.

00:53:16.000 And you'll have more fun.

00:53:18.000 One of the things I think that you guys have done an incredibly great job at is somehow navigating the line of humor where you don't just become over-the-top edgelords.

00:53:26.000 One of the things that's happened in meme world, and we all now live in meme world because the lord of all memes is the head of Twitter.

00:53:34.000 Elon is a living meme.

00:53:36.000 I saw him at CPAC. And he literally turned to me as he was wearing the ridiculous meme sunglasses and carrying a chainsaw.

00:53:43.000 And he turned to me and he goes, Ben, I'm just living the meme.

00:53:46.000 That's the guy who is the head of Doge and the head of X and the head of Tesla and the head of SpaceX.

00:53:51.000 So we now live in that world.

00:53:53.000 That has some benefits in that it's inherently funny.

00:53:56.000 But it also means that one way that people get attention is by being edgelords.

00:54:00.000 And so the idea is the more provocative, more violative, more transgressive you get.

00:54:06.000 Then that's like a form of humor.

00:54:07.000 And that's always been a form of humor, shock humor.

00:54:09.000 But shock humor seems to be a huge and growing part of sort of the humor contingent.

00:54:14.000 The problem with shock humor is that sometimes the reason that the thing is shocking is because it's actually bad.

00:54:18.000 And not because...

00:54:19.000 You can make people laugh in a lot of ways, but the cheapest way to make somebody laugh is to say the F word.

00:54:24.000 It has always been true in humor.

00:54:25.000 If you want to make somebody laugh, the discomfort laugh, right?

00:54:29.000 Saying the F word or graphically describing sex or something.

00:54:32.000 These are ways that...

00:54:32.000 Vulgarity.

00:54:33.000 Vulgarity.

00:54:34.000 And there is such a thing as sort of a political vulgarity where you say something that is so kind of gross that people laugh because it's gross and violative and taboo.

00:54:42.000 You guys have never gone there.

00:54:43.000 You always have had sort of a moral line that you won't step beyond.

00:54:46.000 Just for the sake of the laugh.

00:54:47.000 How do you find that sort of ground where you're being moral and humorous at the same time, which is a hard thing to do?

00:54:52.000 Yeah.

00:54:53.000 Well, we've never aimed for the shock humor.

00:54:55.000 We've never tried to do comedy that just puts people down to make them feel bad about themselves or goes for that shock value.

00:55:02.000 What we're trying to do is really just communicate truth to a post-truth culture.

00:55:07.000 And use humor as an effective way to do that.

00:55:10.000 And so there are, I mean, there's a value system at play there where what we're trying to do is not just entertain and make people laugh, but make them think about whether or not these bad ideas should be taken seriously.

00:55:21.000 And so those are more likely to be the things that we would challenge with our comedy rather than the kind of behavior that we would engage in.

00:55:27.000 So when you look at sort of the political spectrum, a lot of the issues that were great sources of humor seem to be on their way out.

00:55:33.000 The right is in the ascendancy, particularly culturally.

00:55:35.000 And so a lot of the stuff that has been mined for humor by you guys, by us, we made Lady Ballers, which is an entire movie just about the idea of transgender people in sports, men playing women in sports, and all of that.

00:55:46.000 That's on the way.

00:55:46.000 I mean, the president has signed executive orders essentially banning that from sports that are sponsored by taxpayer dollars.

00:55:52.000 Wokeness has been banned at the highest levels of the American government.

00:55:55.000 Like, the battles are getting won on the cultural level.

00:55:57.000 So what do you see are sort of the next battles?

00:56:00.000 As I say, the Babylon Bee is half prophecy, half dark prophecy, and half humor.

00:56:04.000 What are sort of the next big cultural battles that you see on the horizon that you guys are going to mine for the joke?

00:56:10.000 For one thing, it's a good thing that they're on the way out.

00:56:12.000 That was kind of the point, right?

00:56:13.000 This is the reason we made fun of these things, is because we didn't want people to take them seriously and adopt it into the culture.

00:56:19.000 That was the entire reason to make Lady Ballers, was because this is a bad idea. 1.00

00:56:23.000 It needs to be ridiculed.

00:56:25.000 It needs to be mocked.

00:56:26.000 Let's reject it instead of taking it seriously.

00:56:29.000 I don't think they're going to go away quietly.

00:56:32.000 You saw the speech that Trump was giving the other night.

00:56:35.000 You had the Democrats refusing to stand or applaud for a lot of these.

00:56:39.000 The return to sanity that he was talking about.

00:56:42.000 We're going to return to sanity, safety, reason.

00:56:45.000 We're going to take care of women and children. 0.94

00:56:49.000 There's no such thing as a child born in the wrong body.

00:56:51.000 God made you as you are and you're perfect that way.

00:56:54.000 These are things to applaud.

00:56:55.000 These are good, reasonable, sane things to applaud.

00:56:58.000 And he sat down and refused to do that.

00:57:00.000 So they're going to continue to fight us, I think, tooth and nail on these issues.

00:57:03.000 So whether we've won, well, the ascendant power thing, you know, we have more influence than we had before.

00:57:09.000 We have more control than we had before.

00:57:11.000 But I don't know that these things are just going to go away.

00:57:13.000 These are going to continue to be fights, you know, at the state level, at the local level.

00:57:16.000 There's still going to be situations where you have trans athletes getting in these meets with other girls. 0.78

00:57:21.000 And the girls are going to have to make a decision on whether they compete or stand down. 1.00

00:57:25.000 Because, you know, it's...

00:57:26.000 It's not completely eradicated yet, and that could take a lot of time.

00:57:30.000 Your question was, what's next?

00:57:31.000 Yeah.

00:57:32.000 What's next on the horizon?

00:57:33.000 Man, how do you try to predict what the Democrats are going to go for next and how crazy that might possibly be?

00:57:41.000 I don't know.

00:57:41.000 I would keep an eye on the Babylon Bee headlines, and maybe those will come true in a few months because whatever we're talking about is probably going to be what they're pursuing.

00:57:47.000 But I don't know.

00:57:48.000 I would ask you, what do you think?

00:57:50.000 I think they're going to move into sort of the realm of economic insanity because they've already played out the cultural insanity.

00:57:56.000 And they'll continue to do that to a certain extent.

00:57:59.000 And again, I think they've kind of hit the edge cases already.

00:58:03.000 I mean, when you're sitting on your hands because you can't applaud a 13-year-old cancer survivor at the State of the Union address, I'm not sure how much further you can go to hate President Trump.

00:58:11.000 So they hate President Trump.

00:58:12.000 He's not going to be president in four years.

00:58:14.000 So they're going to have to move on to whatever is the next thing.

00:58:17.000 And it seems to me that the Democratic Party, if they are going to have any shot at electoral success in the future, is going to have to move away from a lot of these cultural kind of wokeness-based issues and into the sort of demagoguery of success.

00:58:28.000 And you see that in a lot of the attacks on Elon, right?

00:58:31.000 A lot of what they're doing right now is Elon is bad, Elon is evil, Elon is corrupt.

00:58:36.000 That's my favorite one, is when they say that Elon is corrupt.

00:58:38.000 He's the richest man on planet Earth.

00:58:40.000 What would you have to pay him to buy Elon off?

00:58:42.000 How would you even accomplish this?

00:58:44.000 But I think you're going to see...

00:58:46.000 An enormous amount of this left-wing economic populism, which is mirrored by parts of the right, that starts to become a sentence.

00:58:53.000 And that has its own sort of bizarre logic.

00:58:55.000 Yeah, we're seeing some of that already, for sure.

00:58:57.000 So, what's next for you guys?

00:59:00.000 You've done a number of projects.

00:59:01.000 You have The Bee Itself, which is text-based.

00:59:04.000 And then you've done videos.

00:59:05.000 You've done now a movie about January 6th, the worst day.

00:59:09.000 What's the name of the film?

00:59:11.000 I don't want to screw it up.

00:59:12.000 Yeah, January 6th, the most deadliest day.

00:59:14.000 The most deadliest day, correct, exactly.

00:59:16.000 So what's next on the horizon for a bigger project?

00:59:20.000 Well, that was fun.

00:59:21.000 So that was kind of our first foray into, you know, I guess you could kind of style that or call that a mockumentary, you know, where we're taking an idea and treating it like super seriously when it shouldn't have been taken as seriously as it was and mocking the actors involved in that.

00:59:36.000 That was a fun foot in the door for us to do a larger project, a long-form project beyond just a short comedy sketch for YouTube.

00:59:44.000 So we're going to dabble in more of that, try some of these other ideas that we have floating around and see if we can make some more films like that because the audience loved it.

00:59:52.000 We generated a lot of subscribers with that, got a lot of really good feedback.

00:59:56.000 There's a lot we learned from it that we can do differently and better the next time.

00:59:59.000 And so we'll iterate on that some, but I think for the beat...

01:00:04.000 The primary thing for us, what we do really well is news satire.

01:00:07.000 We mimic a news publication and publish satirical headlines.

01:00:12.000 Funny fake news you can trust.

01:00:14.000 That's our thing.

01:00:15.000 That's what we do really well.

01:00:16.000 And the next logical extension of that is probably some kind of a show that is a satirical news show.

01:00:24.000 A daily show style thing.

01:00:26.000 Something like that I think could be really successful under the Bees brand.

01:00:31.000 We have some things in the works along those lines that we're looking at, too, that we're really excited about.

01:00:35.000 So where that lives and when that lands is anyone's guess.

01:00:40.000 But we're excited about, you know, kind of continuing to do what we've done well that the audience really enjoys and bringing that out to a broader audience in new forms.

01:00:49.000 Now, Seth Dillon, it's always great to see the Babylon Beat.

01:00:51.000 It's great, folks.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - March 14, 2025

Democrats CAVE, Trump Chalks Up Another Win!

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