The Ben Shapiro Show - DeSantis Challenges Trump Directly

00:00:00.000 Alrighty, folks.

00:00:00.000 So, President Trump is basically now declaring the primaries over.

00:00:04.000 And look, if you look at the national polling data right now, he is up by a long shot on the rest of the field.

00:00:10.000 If you compare this to, say, 2016, at this point in the 2016 race, Trump was up maybe 10 to 12 points on the rest of the field.

00:00:16.000 At this point, Trump is up by virtually all of the polling, about 40 points over the rest of the field.

00:00:20.000 The latest Economist YouGov poll, for example, has Trump at 53% to Sans at 14

00:00:24.000 and everybody else well below 10.

00:00:26.000 The Monmouth poll before that has Trump at 55% to Sans at 17,

00:00:29.000 everybody else well below 10.

00:00:31.000 However, this is not a national primary.

00:00:33.000 When you look at Iowa, for example, Trump's lead, it starts to shrink a little bit.

00:00:37.000 Not that he's not in the lead, but it's closer to 30 points than to 40 points.

00:00:41.000 When you move on to New Hampshire, his lead again is closer to 30 points

00:00:45.000 than it is to 40 points.

00:00:47.000 At least 45 to 50% of the Republican base in these primaries does not want Donald Trump,

00:00:53.000 or at the very least is talking about voting already about people who are not Donald Trump.

00:00:57.000 And there's a solid number of people who like Donald Trump, but would be open to others.

00:01:01.000 This is what the polling is showing right now.

00:01:03.000 Well, Trump would like to cancel all future debates because he says that we need to train our fire on Biden.

00:01:09.000 Now, that's kind of an ironic claim coming from President Trump, who's trained most of his fire at this point on various prosecutors going after him or on Ron DeSantis.

00:01:16.000 He's not trained in enormous amounts of fire on President Biden to this point.

00:01:20.000 However, trying to end the primaries early is obviously in Trump's best interest.

00:01:25.000 Whether the RNC goes along with anything like that is another question.

00:01:28.000 According to Mediaite yesterday, the Trump campaign has now asked the RNC to put an end to any further primary debates following a second debate that former President Donald Trump skipped.

00:01:37.000 A note from senior advisor Chris LaCivita was sent from the Trump press office.

00:01:43.000 Said, tonight's GOP debate was as boring and inconsequential as the first debate.

00:01:46.000 Nothing that was said will change the dynamics of the primary contest being dominated by President

00:01:49.000 Trump. President Trump has a 40 or 50 point lead in the primary election and a 10 point

00:01:53.000 lead over Joe Biden in the general election. Well, that is according to one poll.

00:01:56.000 We talked about that poll a couple of days ago.

00:01:57.000 There are two separate polls that have come out since then, one with Biden up one, one with Biden up five.

00:02:01.000 This is to suggest that in the real clear politics polling average, for example, Trump is up 10 is not right.

00:02:06.000 In the average, basically he and Biden are running within margin of error.

00:02:11.000 The RNC should immediately put an end to any further primary debates so we can train our fire on crooked Joe Biden and quit wasting time and money that could be going to evicting Biden from the White House.

00:02:19.000 Now, again, one of the problems here is that the argument that Team Trump is going to spend all that money on evicting Biden from the White House ignores the fact that an extraordinary amount of the money that is poured into Trump's campaign has been spent on his legal bills and will, going forward, be spent on his legal bills, particularly if all of his assets are locked up in New York because of this fraud case.

00:02:37.000 Meanwhile, President Trump is doing the Trump thing.

00:02:40.000 He did this UAW speech the other day that was not to the UAW, it was about the UAW.

00:02:45.000 And Stagecraft, you could call it Stagecraft, you could also call it fibbing.

00:02:50.000 So President Trump stacked the room apparently with a bunch of his own supporters.

00:02:54.000 Many of whom were not union members.

00:02:55.000 In fact, there was one person carrying a sign that said union members for Trump, who then admitted to the press that he was not, in fact, a union member and had basically been handed the sign.

00:03:02.000 According to the UK Guardian, when Donald Trump gave a speech in Michigan on Wednesday, seeking to capitalize on the UAW strike, at least two crowd members holding signs saying union members for Trump and autoworkers for Trump turned out to be neither.

00:03:13.000 According to the Detroit News, one individual in the crowd who held the sign that said union members for Trump acknowledged she was not a union member when approached by a reporter after the event.

00:03:20.000 Another person with a sign that read auto workers for Trump said he was not an auto worker when asked for an interview.

00:03:25.000 Both people did not provide their names.

00:03:27.000 The paper said that between four and five hundred people attended the event.

00:03:30.000 It was at a non-unionized automotive parts supplier in Clinton Township.

00:03:35.000 So he didn't go to like a unionized shop.

00:03:36.000 He went to like a non-union shop to do a speech about how the UAW workers deserve more and how they're being screwed by President Biden.

00:03:43.000 Now again, the general message that Trump gave with regard to Biden and electric vehicle mandates and all the rest, a lot of that is true.

00:03:49.000 However, again, the manipulation of the stagecraft is pretty wild.

00:03:53.000 It's pretty wild.

00:03:56.000 Well, Donald Trump's lawyers, meanwhile, as we say, they're looking down the barrel of a real problem for Donald Trump with regard to his assets.

00:04:02.000 People, I think, are not spending enough time and energy on the fraud ruling in New York.

00:04:06.000 The reason being, again, all these criminal indictments, they're going to go whichever way they're going to go, and everybody knows that they're politically motivated.

00:04:11.000 The fraud ruling is also politically motivated, but the real-world impact of that fraud ruling is devastating to President Trump on a personal and a familial level.

00:04:20.000 President Trump's lawyers apparently don't really know what to do because the judge in this case is so obviously partisan and so obviously over the top.

00:04:26.000 The judge actually fined Trump's lawyers for making arguments he didn't like in that last ruling.

00:04:31.000 According to the New York Times, Trump could lose his grip on buildings including Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue, the Trump International Hotel overlooking Central Park, and all the rest.

00:04:40.000 The judge sided with New York Attorney General Letitia James, and as a punishment, the judge effectively revoked Trump's licenses to operate all of those properties, and it left much of his New York operation hanging in the balance.

00:04:52.000 Trump is expected to appeal.

00:04:53.000 He's already sued Justice Engeron himself, who's been a thorn in the side of the Trump lawyers for more than a year.

00:04:59.000 In a Wednesday hearing, Trump's lawyers pled for clarity, asking Justice Engron to explain exactly what the effect of his ruling would be, and the judge refused to say.

00:05:07.000 So, it's totally unclear what happens now.

00:05:08.000 So, it could spell the end of the Trump Organization.

00:05:11.000 It could force the sell-off of several properties.

00:05:13.000 It could basically destroy Trump's organization in New York.

00:05:16.000 More likely, said legal experts, is a period in which Trump would be unable to operate his properties, which would be handed to a court-appointed chief executive, Such an arrangement would preserve Trump's ownership while preventing him and his two adult sons from running the machinery of the empire without permission from the court, which could be a problem depending on how much leverage he is taking out against buildings, for example, in order to fund his legal enterprises.

00:05:36.000 All these are obstacles to Trump's re-elect.

00:05:38.000 Again, it is not that Trump can't beat Biden.

00:05:40.000 He certainly can.

00:05:42.000 Is that a probability?

00:05:43.000 I think it's not a probability.

00:05:44.000 I think that it is a, I would say a 40 to 45 percent shot that Trump would beat Joe Biden in a general election, given his performance in the last election, given the fact that right now he's not the actual nominee yet, and so many Democrats are focusing in on the failures of Joe Biden rather than how much they hate Donald Trump.

00:06:00.000 Obviously, Joe Biden is focusing in in tremendous fashion on Trump and Trump alone.

00:06:05.000 The only reason, basically, that he stayed in the race is because Trump is the nominee.

00:06:08.000 He believes that he's the only candidate that he can beat.

00:06:10.000 We'll get to more of that in just one second.

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00:07:14.000 Okay, so President Trump trying to forestall all the rest of the primaries

00:07:19.000 by essentially shutting down the debate.

00:07:21.000 It's not going to work, obviously, but he has been so far able to sort of skate over the top.

00:07:27.000 He's just doing what he wants to do and everybody else is kind of in the scrum

00:07:29.000 fighting each other.

00:07:30.000 Well, finally, Ron DeSantis is actually training his fire on Trump.

00:07:33.000 And this has been, you know, the sort of pattern when it comes to primaries with Trump going all the way back to 2016.

00:07:38.000 If you go back to 2016, what you will see is that Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio were under the weird assumption that Donald Trump's support base would simply collapse at a certain point and then they would just walk into the nomination.

00:07:48.000 That obviously didn't happen.

00:07:49.000 Instead, they ended up fighting each other to the end.

00:07:51.000 And then John Kasich stayed in to make sure that Donald Trump was the nominee by sucking up like 10, 15% of the vote in competitive primaries.

00:07:58.000 And so Donald Trump waltzed in that nomination despite the fact that in the early states he's only winning 30-35% of the vote.

00:08:04.000 Well, today Trump is a lot stronger than he was in 2016.

00:08:07.000 He's been a sitting president before.

00:08:09.000 A huge percentage of the base is absolutely addicted to President Trump.

00:08:12.000 They love the guy.

00:08:14.000 And so whoever is running against Trump at a certain point here is going to have to stop with this notion that Trump is going to just fall off the road somewhere.

00:08:20.000 He's not.

00:08:21.000 Someone's going to have to take him on directly.

00:08:23.000 And the only person right now who's positioned to do that is the guy who's number two in the race, Ron DeSantis.

00:08:28.000 DeSantis, for all the slings and arrows that he's taken, is basically in the polls where he has been for the last six months.

00:08:33.000 He is stuck in the 15 to 25 percent range.

00:08:37.000 He is in a second-place holding pattern.

00:08:40.000 And so something has to change.

00:08:41.000 And so finally, DeSantis, who has now done two separate debates with the rest of the second-tier Republicans, He's beginning to fight back because he's making an argument.

00:08:52.000 The argument basically is, look, I won the last two debates.

00:08:55.000 I'm the only other solid candidate.

00:08:56.000 I'm the only guy who's running double digits even against Trump in these primaries.

00:09:00.000 So if you're going to consolidate the field, don't consolidate the field around one candidate who has not even had to go through a debate and who has a lot of blemishes on his record.

00:09:08.000 Instead, why not consolidate the field around two candidates and then let us battle it out?

00:09:12.000 And then if Trump wins, Trump wins.

00:09:14.000 By the way, that is what the polls are showing.

00:09:17.000 The polls are showing that people believe that DeSantis won the last debate.

00:09:22.000 For example, CNN Focus Group came out yesterday, and CNN Focus Group suggested that DeSantis was the big winner of the debate.

00:09:28.000 Show of hands now.

00:09:29.000 Okay, I'm doing alphabetical order.

00:09:30.000 Who do you think did best during this debate?

00:09:32.000 All of you.

00:09:33.000 Bergen.

00:09:35.000 Won.

00:09:35.000 Christie.

00:09:37.000 Okay, so his toughness didn't appeal to anybody tonight.

00:09:40.000 DeSantis.

00:09:42.000 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

00:09:43.000 Haley.

00:09:43.000 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

00:09:43.000 Pence.

00:09:43.000 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

00:09:46.000 Haley. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Pence. Ramaswamy. 1.

00:09:56.000 Scott.

00:09:56.000 As you can see, DeSantis cleared the field when it came to this debate.

00:10:01.000 And the polling data support that same sort of notion.

00:10:04.000 So, FiveThirtyEight did a poll on the debate, and what they found is that 33% of likely Republican voters who watched the debate said DeSantis performed the best.

00:10:12.000 Only 5% said that he performed the worst.

00:10:15.000 Nikki Haley came in second.

00:10:16.000 She had an 18% rating as the strongest debater.

00:10:18.000 7% rated her as the worst.

00:10:21.000 Vivek Ramaswamy, 15% said he did the best, but 10% also said he did the worst.

00:10:24.000 A lot of people love Vivek, a lot of people hate Vivek.

00:10:27.000 Everybody hated Chris Christie.

00:10:29.000 Tim Scott basically did not register.

00:10:31.000 People hated Mike Pence's performance.

00:10:32.000 Nobody understands why Doug Burgum is on the stage.

00:10:34.000 So DeSantis is now making the case that he should have made a long time ago, which is, when it comes to winning the general election, I'm your guy.

00:10:42.000 I have the proven track record in Florida.

00:10:44.000 I have not lost to President Biden before.

00:10:46.000 Well, Donald Trump has.

00:10:48.000 And Donald Trump has to stop ducking debates.

00:10:49.000 It's about time for Donald Trump to actually debate me.

00:10:52.000 And so he's now calling for a one-on-one debate with Trump directly.

00:10:55.000 Here was DeSantis yesterday getting a lot more aggressive with Trump.

00:10:59.000 He's had a lot to say about me on social media really since 2022, right before the midterm election.

00:11:06.000 He started attacking me when I was, we all Republicans were supposed to be united for a red wave.

00:11:11.000 No, he tried to attack me and has been doing it a lot.

00:11:14.000 You know, it's one thing to do it behind a keyboard.

00:11:16.000 Step up on stage and do it to my face.

00:11:18.000 I'm ready for it.

00:11:19.000 You used to say I was a great governor.

00:11:21.000 Now all of a sudden you're saying the opposite.

00:11:23.000 Let's have that discussion and I'll do it.

00:11:25.000 We could do it one on one.

00:11:26.000 I was with Sean last night.

00:11:28.000 Let's do that.

00:11:29.000 And let's let's give the American people the choice that they deserve.

00:11:32.000 Now, is Trump actually going to do that?

00:11:34.000 Of course not.

00:11:34.000 Trump is not going to do that.

00:11:35.000 And that that should raise some questions.

00:11:37.000 If Trump is unable to debate Ron DeSantis, who is an excellent Republican governor from Florida,

00:11:42.000 and who is the second place finisher in all of these polls right now.

00:11:47.000 And by the way, who actually is a threat to him in Iowa?

00:11:49.000 I know that everybody is writing off DeSantis overall right now, but the reality is

00:11:53.000 that DeSantis has done an enormous amount of groundwork in Iowa right now.

00:11:56.000 DeSantis is running by the latest CBS News poll in the 20s in Iowa.

00:12:00.000 Trump has a major lead, but that's not the way the Iowa caucuses run.

00:12:03.000 They're caucuses.

00:12:04.000 And those caucuses rely a lot on ground games.

00:12:07.000 They rely a lot on endorsements.

00:12:09.000 Iowa is still very much an open question.

00:12:11.000 There's a world where DeSantis wins Iowa.

00:12:13.000 And so if Trump just keeps ignoring DeSantis, I mean at a certain point somebody's going to have to take it to Trump.

00:12:18.000 And DeSantis is going to have to be the guy who does it because no one else in the field really is capable of doing that.

00:12:22.000 Now the big problem here is that when you're looking at consolidation of the field, Trump wants the field to consolidate to just him.

00:12:27.000 I think it's premature to do that, considering, again, all of his vulnerabilities that we've discussed, ranging from the fact that he's wildly unpopular with suburban women, to the fact that he already lost to Joe Biden the first time, to the fact that he does not have the self-control to actually meticulously attack Joe Biden's record.

00:12:42.000 All the things we all know about Donald Trump, those should be fair game for debate.

00:12:46.000 But consolidating the field to two is necessary at this point if you actually want there to be any sort of race.

00:12:51.000 Instead, we have a bunch of also-rans who are staying in the field. 1.00

00:12:54.000 And this is ridiculous.

00:12:55.000 There were two serious candidates on the stage in that last debate. 0.90

00:12:58.000 Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, everyone else on the stage is a joke in terms of why are they there.

00:13:04.000 They should not be there.

00:13:05.000 Vivek Ramaswamy is not running for president.

00:13:07.000 He's running for Senate from Ohio, or he's running for a cabinet position under President Trump, or he is running for a new business in the media.

00:13:14.000 Chris Christie is running a pure revenge play.

00:13:17.000 He is a homicide bomber of politics.

00:13:19.000 He committed the world's most famous political murder suicide in New Hampshire against Marco Rubio, basically ensuring the nomination of Donald Trump.

00:13:26.000 And apparently he wants to do the same thing again.

00:13:28.000 Christie says, I'm not going to drop out.

00:13:30.000 Why should I drop out?

00:13:31.000 The answer to why you should drop out is because you have no shot of winning the presidential nomination.

00:13:34.000 So why are you doing this?

00:13:35.000 Stop it.

00:13:37.000 If it all is going to come down to New Hampshire, and you know this better than anyone, having run, you ran a great campaign in 2016.

00:13:45.000 How are you getting the sense the field is going to be winnowed?

00:13:49.000 And if you're down before New Hampshire, would you drop out of the race?

00:13:55.000 No, I have every intention of winning New Hampshire, and I wouldn't drop out before that, and I don't think I'm going to see any evidence that would compel me to do so.

00:14:04.000 But what I would also say to you is, at least what I see up in New Hampshire, is Donald Trump in almost every poll well below 40%.

00:14:12.000 The unbelievable arrogance of people like Chris Christie staying in the race, even if Chris Christie were to win New Hampshire.

00:14:17.000 Do you think that Chris Christie goes on to even compete in South Carolina or any of the other primaries?

00:14:21.000 The answer, of course, is no.

00:14:22.000 The answer is no.

00:14:24.000 This field needs to winnow and it needs to winnow fast if there's going to be anyone to challenge him.

00:14:27.000 Maybe there's no one who's going to challenge Trump.

00:14:28.000 Maybe the polls are exactly right nationally speaking and Trump just blows away the rest of the field.

00:14:32.000 Maybe, fine.

00:14:33.000 But if there's going to be any alternative, the field has to winnow.

00:14:37.000 Again, I'm looking at that RealClearPolitics polling average, and what you are seeing in that RealClearPolitics polling average is that even in the national polling, Trump's at like 53%, which means 47% of the Republican base is not in love with Trump.

00:14:48.000 But you have 83 candidates, including like Christie at two, and Scott at three, and Pence at four, and Ramaswamy at five, and Haley at seven.

00:14:57.000 That field is gonna have to winnow and winnow pretty quickly if anyone is going to challenge Trump.

00:15:02.000 And again, DeSantis is gonna have to get a lot more aggressive on the campaign trail against Trump, against Trump, among other people.

00:15:08.000 In just a second, we'll get to Joe Biden, who is deeply relying on Donald Trump's candidacy in order to project him back to the presidency of the United States.

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00:16:16.000 Okay, meanwhile, Joe Biden's entire candidacy is reliant on Donald Trump being the Republican nominee.

00:16:21.000 He went to Arizona yesterday.

00:16:22.000 He gave a speech.

00:16:23.000 The entire speech was about how Donald Trump is the scourge of the world.

00:16:26.000 And of course, he has to run this campaign because if he is forced to run on his record, he loses.

00:16:31.000 So he's going to run purely on the idea that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy and all the rest.

00:16:34.000 Now, back in 2022, some of us kind of scoffed at this strategy.

00:16:37.000 We said, well, yeah, but he's a bad president.

00:16:39.000 And his bizarre speech in front of Independence Hall flanked by U.S. 0.89

00:16:43.000 Marines in the background with a blood red background was absurd and ugly and quasi terrifying.

00:16:50.000 And yet, because Trump was seen as such a threat by so many sort of moderate voters, the result was that the Democrats overperformed in 2022.

00:17:00.000 And so they're going to run that same playbook back again.

00:17:03.000 Here was Joe Biden yesterday talking about how the MAGA movement is a dangerous threat to democracy.

00:17:07.000 Democracy is not a partisan issue.

00:17:10.000 It's an American issue.

00:17:12.000 And he looks terrible.

00:17:13.000 I've come to honor the McCain Institute and Library because they are a home of a proud Republican who put his country first.

00:17:21.000 Our commitment should be no less, because democracy should unite all Americans, regardless of political affiliation.

00:17:27.000 And there's something dangerous happening in America now.

00:17:31.000 There's an extremist movement that does not share the basic beliefs in our democracy.

00:17:36.000 The MAGA movement.

00:17:38.000 Not every Republican, not even a majority of Republicans adhere to the MAGA extremist ideology.

00:17:43.000 I know it because I've been able to work with Republicans my whole career.

00:17:47.000 But there's no question that today's Republican Party is driven and intimidated by MAGA Republican extremists.

00:17:55.000 Their extremist agenda is carried out with fundamentally all of the institutions of American democracy as we know it.

00:18:01.000 Uh, that dude, I would say he's on Valium, but this is his natural state.

00:18:05.000 This is when they have him pump them full of the amphetamines.

00:18:08.000 Wow.

00:18:09.000 Wow.

00:18:10.000 I mean, so, again, this is his pitch.

00:18:12.000 His pitch is going to be that he is the person to protect you from the threat to democracy that is Donald Trump. 0.91

00:18:17.000 He's gonna play dead.

00:18:17.000 The good news is he doesn't have to play at it.

00:18:19.000 He just is.

00:18:20.000 You know, authenticity in casting.

00:18:22.000 He is just a walking animatronic corpse, as producer Zach has suggested.

00:18:27.000 He looks like he's direct from the Hall of Presidents at Disneyland.

00:18:29.000 I mean, like, actually, that is more lifelike than Joe Biden is at this point.

00:18:32.000 But again, is that a rip on him? 0.99

00:18:35.000 Not if the pitch is the guy on the other side of the aisle is a crazy person who's going to destroy American democracy. 1.00

00:18:39.000 Now, you know that's crap. 1.00

00:18:40.000 I know that that's crap. 1.00

00:18:41.000 But a lot of the American people doesn't believe that. 0.99

00:18:45.000 So here is Joe Biden going through all of this.

00:18:47.000 He started quoting MAGA quotes.

00:18:49.000 Here we go, MAGA quotes with Joe Biden.

00:18:51.000 What's amazing about Joe Biden, I've never heard, the longest word in the English language is pneumo-ultra-microscopic-silico-volcanoconiosis.

00:18:57.000 Or at least it was until this speech, in which Joe Biden strung together at least 8,000 words into one.

00:19:04.000 It was an amazing achievement.

00:19:05.000 I'm not sure I've ever seen a word this long like the word you're about to hear.

00:19:09.000 Just consider these as actual quotes from MAGA, the MAGA movement.

00:19:14.000 Quote, I am your retribution.

00:19:19.000 Slitting throats of civil servants, replacing them with extreme political cronies. 0.88

00:19:23.000 That's a long word.

00:19:25.000 My extremists proclaim support for law enforcement only to say we, quote, we must destroy the FBI.

00:19:33.000 It's not one person.

00:19:36.000 It's a controlling element of the House Republican Party.

00:19:42.000 Again, this is going to be the shtick.

00:19:53.000 And this is going to be the shtick all the way up to the election.

00:19:57.000 And he says it's an inflection point in our history.

00:19:59.000 This is his closing pitch.

00:20:00.000 It's an inflection point in our history.

00:20:02.000 I've said it before.

00:20:04.000 We're at an inflection point in our history.

00:20:07.000 One of those moments that not only happens once every several generations, it happens once every eight or nine generations, where the decisions made in the short period of time we're in now are going to determine the course of this country and the world for the next six or seven decades.

00:20:25.000 So, you, me, every American is committed to preserving our democracy and our constitutional protections.

00:20:32.000 We carry a special responsibility. 0.79

00:20:34.000 Okay, again, all of this is garbage, but the case that he is making is going to be, and it always comes down to this one, is Biden versus Trump. 0.97

00:20:41.000 Who is less off-putting? 0.96

00:20:43.000 Who is the person who's going to project solidity?

00:20:45.000 Now, when it comes to record, Trump's record is way more solid than Biden's, without a doubt.

00:20:50.000 When it comes to personality, Biden isn't particularly solid.

00:20:53.000 The good news is that he's not alive anymore, so you don't have to worry about whether he's solid or not, because corpses generally aren't all that volatile.

00:21:00.000 In just a second, we'll get to the other flaws in Joe Biden's candidacy first.

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00:21:47.000 Meanwhile, again, Joe Biden's entire campaign is predicated on Donald Trump being the nominee.

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00:22:04.000 And meanwhile, again, Joe Biden's entire campaign is predicated on Donald Trump being the nominee,

00:22:08.000 because if he's not the nominee, he's got a real problem. 0.89

00:22:10.000 One of those big problems is the fact that he is as corrupt as the day is long.

00:22:15.000 So the House yesterday commenced their impeachment inquiry.

00:22:18.000 So I suggested beforehand that I don't really see the strategic need for an impeachment inquiry given the fact we are already on the Republican side looking into All of his corruption.

00:22:28.000 I'm not sure how like putting a stamp impeachment inquiry helps things other than it sort of boxes you in because you don't come to an impeachment at the end of the impeachment inquiry you exonerate the guy and the question is going to be whether you have enough votes even on the republican side of the aisle for an actual impeachment that means holding together your caucus in really strong fashion which is kind of a problem since again the impeachment inquiry was launched without a vote in the house meaning that The majority in the House, the Republican majority, was not even there.

00:22:55.000 And the fact is that McCarthy could not get enough Republicans to vote on the dotted line with regard to an impeachment inquiry to launch it that way, which raises the question as to whether he's going to get enough Republicans to vote for an actual impeachment, which would be a giant fail.

00:23:05.000 If you launch an inquiry without coming to an actual impeachment, you get nothing out of it.

00:23:10.000 So the Republicans did it anyway.

00:23:11.000 They launched the impeachment inquiry.

00:23:12.000 A lot of people think that that was an attempt by McCarthy to stave off the right flank, saying, listen, I'm giving you guys what you want.

00:23:17.000 You got the impeachment inquiry.

00:23:18.000 What do you want from me?

00:23:20.000 Okay, whatever this is, that yesterday they had a six-hour hearing on impeachment.

00:23:25.000 It was not, like, amazing for the Republican Party.

00:23:28.000 They didn't present any first-hand witnesses.

00:23:31.000 Instead, they heard some testimony from a variety of sort of different scholars, including Jonathan Turley, forensic accountant Bruce Dubinsky, former Justice Department tax attorney Eileen O'Connor.

00:23:43.000 They knew going in that Jonathan Turley was going to say that they have not the evidence to impeach Biden yet.

00:23:49.000 The problem is that that is the headline coming out of the impeachment inquiry day one, is that the Republican's own witness said, you can't impeach him based on what you got right now.

00:23:56.000 Here's Jonathan Turley yesterday.

00:23:59.000 This is a question of an impeachment inquiry.

00:24:02.000 It is not a vote on articles of impeachment.

00:24:05.000 In fact, I do not believe that the current evidence would support articles of impeachment.

00:24:12.000 That is something that an inquiry has to establish.

00:24:16.000 But I also do believe that the House has passed the threshold for an impeachment inquiry into the conduct of President Biden.

00:24:26.000 So it's that first part that everybody is focusing in on is truly saying, well, I don't have the evidence yet to impeach, but it's OK.

00:24:32.000 They're ignoring the second part, which says an impeachment inquiry would be appropriate.

00:24:34.000 You see Jamie Raskin, who's sitting next to Comer, who's leading the inquiry, James Comer.

00:24:39.000 You can see Raskin, who's a Democrat.

00:24:41.000 Well, the evidence continues to emerge.

00:24:47.000 Yesterday, according to Breitbart, Hunter Biden apparently referenced selling access to presidential Biden as the keys to my family's only asset, according to messages from Hunter Biden's iCloud backup released by the House Ways and Means Committee on Wednesday.

00:25:00.000 The committee released information confirming Devin Archer's testimony that Hunter Biden traveled the world selling access to the Biden brand, meaning Joe Biden.

00:25:07.000 Hunter referred to access to Joe as, quote, the keys to, quote, my family's only asset.

00:25:12.000 Which is pretty strong language.

00:25:14.000 Documents obtained by the committee confirm associates of the Biden business had direct access to the White House and then-VP Joe Biden's advisors.

00:25:21.000 According to the committee, Biden's associates were told not to mention Joe being involved.

00:25:24.000 White House logs show many Biden business associates visited the White House multiple times.

00:25:28.000 In addition, after the IRS launched its investigation into the Biden family, Hunter Biden apparently, quote, expected all of this stuff to go away when his dad becomes president, according to an email between Hunter Biden and a CNN producer that the committee actually obtained.

00:25:40.000 Again, the producer has an email from Hunter saying he expected all this stuff to go away

00:25:44.000 when his dad became president.

00:25:46.000 So that's not good.

00:25:49.000 There will be more evidence to emerge for sure.

00:25:52.000 Comer, for his part, he said, we now have evidence that the Chinese government is sending

00:25:56.000 direct payments to Joe Biden's immediate family.

00:25:58.000 Well, of course, that's true.

00:25:59.000 We knew that.

00:26:01.000 Have you been able to identify what specifically Joe Biden did to get paid?

00:26:07.000 Well, all these people who are paying the Bidens, first of all, Joe Biden met with every

00:26:11.000 single one of them or talked to him on the phone, even though he lied to the American

00:26:15.000 people and said he never met with any of them.

00:26:17.000 He met with all of them.

00:26:18.000 They were all in trouble.

00:26:20.000 They were all needing help from the United States.

00:26:22.000 If you talk about the Romanian money, the Ukrainian money, they were being investigated for corruption in their home countries.

00:26:29.000 They needed help from Joe Biden.

00:26:31.000 In China, This was the Chinese government.

00:26:34.000 This was the Chinese government sending direct payments to Joe Biden's immediate family.

00:26:39.000 And what they needed was help navigating the bureaucracy and eliminating barriers to entry in our markets.

00:26:47.000 And all that is true, and more evidence is going to drop here, and it's not going to be good for Joe Biden.

00:26:51.000 Now, Democrats, for their part, they were dunking on Republicans yesterday.

00:26:54.000 They were suggesting that they've got nothing, there's no evidence, all the rest of this kind of stuff.

00:26:57.000 But it doesn't matter, because in the general American perception of Joe Biden, the idea that he is clean and pure and honorable, no one thinks that.

00:27:03.000 The polls show people think that Joe Biden is corrupt, mainly because he's corrupt.

00:27:06.000 But here are Democrats yesterday slaying, go ahead, slay kings and queens, go for it. 0.69

00:27:12.000 All right, so let's get it straight.

00:27:13.000 We're 62 hours away from shutting down the government of the United States of America, and Republicans are launching an impeachment drive based on a long, debunked, and discredited lie.

00:27:26.000 What a day we are having here, isn't it?

00:27:30.000 Right?

00:27:31.000 I mean, listen, as a former director of emergency management, I know a disaster when I see one.

00:27:36.000 I want to say thank you to Mr. Donald Trump for calling this hearing today.

00:27:41.000 We see the long arm, but little hands, of Mr. Donald Trump, whose fingerprints are all over this hearing and this sham impeachment.

00:27:52.000 Donald Trump is right.

00:27:53.000 He's sick of winning.

00:27:54.000 He's just winning, running away with it.

00:27:56.000 And that's why we're here.

00:27:57.000 They can't save Donald Trump.

00:27:58.000 zero zero donald trump is right

00:28:01.000 arms he's sick of winning he's just winning running away with it and that's why we're

00:28:06.000 here they can't save donald trump they can't take away

00:28:11.000 the two impeachments and the four indictments but they can try to put some numbers on the board

00:28:15.000 for joe biden but the problem is when you sling mud you gotta have mud

00:28:19.000 and they just don't have anything mister chairman honestly if they would continue

00:28:23.000 to say if we were playing a drinking game i would be drunk by now

00:28:27.000 If the Republicans had a smoking gun...

00:28:29.000 We're even a dripping water pistol.

00:28:32.000 They would be presenting it today, but they've got nothing on Joe Biden.

00:28:37.000 Come on.

00:28:37.000 If you all think there's so much evidence, we're here.

00:28:40.000 Call the vote on impeachment.

00:28:43.000 Impeach him right now.

00:28:44.000 Well, first of all, that's not what an inquiry is.

00:28:46.000 First of all, it's not what an inquiry is.

00:28:48.000 But also, guys, go off.

00:28:50.000 You know, go off, really.

00:28:51.000 Continue to talk about this because it's very, very good for Joe Biden's opposition.

00:28:55.000 In just one second, we'll get to the latest on the UAW.

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00:30:03.000 And so meanwhile, again, Joe Biden, Between his corrupt personality, the fact that he is in a state of physical and mental decay, and his bad policy, he is a very vulnerable candidate.

00:30:13.000 The UAW apparently is now threatening more strikes.

00:30:16.000 Oh, that's great.

00:30:17.000 So you mean the president showed up, wore their hat, and now they're like, hey, we got some juice.

00:30:22.000 Let's strike some more and wreck the economy. 0.95

00:30:23.000 The UAW pledged to widen its strike on Friday, barring significant progress in talks with Detroit carmakers as the companies take steps to keep critical parts flowing to their dealerships.

00:30:32.000 Parallel talks between the UAW and GM, Ford Motor, and Chrysler parent Stellantis continued, a union official said Wednesday, nearly two weeks into a limited strike at all three automakers.

00:30:41.000 The UAW official said the union would identify new strike targets at 10 a.m.

00:30:44.000 Friday with walkouts to begin at noon unless bargainers make headway in negotiations for a new four-year contract.

00:30:50.000 Last week, the UAW expanded that strike beyond three assembly plans to include a 38-part distribution centers owned by GM and Stellantis.

00:30:58.000 The union spared Ford for more walkouts.

00:30:59.000 They said they were getting more concessions from Ford.

00:31:03.000 But the widening of the strike, why do you think they're doing that?

00:31:05.000 They're doing that because the President of the United States literally showed up and walked the picket line with them wearing a UAW hat.

00:31:10.000 That is why you end up with more strikes.

00:31:12.000 So, if they cut a really, really great sweetheart deal with all of these car companies and your car becomes wildly more expensive, you know exactly who to blame.

00:31:20.000 His name rhymes with Joe Biden.

00:31:22.000 That's exactly who to blame.

00:31:23.000 It turns out, again, that when the President of the United States endorses one side in a private labor action, it is very likely that that side is going to be incentivized to take a harder line position not to come to the negotiating table and bargain.

00:31:35.000 Speaking of failures, the Ukraine war continues to slog on.

00:31:39.000 According to the New York Times, literally no one has gained ground this year.

00:31:42.000 Although both sides have launched an ambitious offensive, the front line has barely shifted.

00:31:45.000 After 18 months of war, a breakthrough looks more difficult than ever.

00:31:49.000 Again, the frontline Ukraine basically changed not at all from last winter.

00:31:52.000 There was supposed to be a major Ukrainian offensive that was going to reverse Russian gains in Donbass and the Crimea region.

00:31:59.000 Instead, the map looks pretty much the same, despite nine months of bloody fighting, less than 500 square miles of territory have changed hands since the start of the year.

00:32:08.000 And meanwhile, Joe Biden has no off-ramp.

00:32:10.000 He's provided no off-ramp.

00:32:10.000 He says that Zelensky is going to do all the negotiating.

00:32:12.000 We're just going to keep signing checks.

00:32:14.000 That is not the way it should work.

00:32:15.000 It's not the way it should work.

00:32:16.000 Everyone knows how this war ends.

00:32:17.000 We've known it for a year.

00:32:18.000 There was going to be a negotiated settlement.

00:32:20.000 No one believes the Ukrainians are pushing the Russians all the way out of Crimea and all the way out of the Donbass.

00:32:25.000 There's been almost like zero territorial change.

00:32:28.000 The last major territorial change was in November, December of last year.

00:32:34.000 Otherwise, no territorial change whatsoever.

00:32:38.000 Since the start of the year, Ukraine has gained about 143 square miles, and Russia has gained about 331 square miles.

00:32:43.000 These are not major amounts of territory.

00:32:46.000 And yet, Joe Biden has no plan to end this war.

00:32:48.000 It's just going to continue ad infinitum, which presumably is why some other Democrats are starting to look around and go, like, why isn't anyone jumping in on this guy?

00:32:56.000 I mean, he's vulnerable on the Democrats.

00:32:57.000 Like, 70% of Democrats don't want him to run again.

00:33:00.000 One of the people who is now delusionally thinking about running for president is apparently Cenk Uygur.

00:33:04.000 I myself have debated.

00:33:05.000 You can watch that on YouTube.

00:33:07.000 It's fascinating stuff.

00:33:08.000 Here was Cenk yesterday announcing that he might be staffing up for a 2024 primary run against Joe Biden.

00:33:14.000 Crystal, we are definitely in an unsolvable riddle.

00:33:17.000 Yeah.

00:33:17.000 Because the corporate Democrats say, I will not disobey.

00:33:21.000 I will always bow my head.

00:33:22.000 Right.

00:33:23.000 And the progressives say, well, I can't run.

00:33:25.000 The mainstream media will destroy me.

00:33:27.000 They'll destroy my life.

00:33:28.000 They'll destroy my career, etc.

00:33:31.000 Right.

00:33:31.000 So how do we get past that?

00:33:33.000 That's why I'm desperate enough to think maybe I should do it.

00:33:36.000 And I'll tell you why.

00:33:37.000 Because let's say that somebody like me gets in the race.

00:33:40.000 Yeah.

00:33:40.000 The Democratic voters are dying for an alternative.

00:33:44.000 They keep saying in every poll, for God's sake, give us someone else!

00:33:48.000 Give us someone else! 0.99

00:33:49.000 If someone like me were to get to 20 points, do you have any idea how quick Newsom and Whitmer would enter the race?

00:33:56.000 So that's Cenk basically saying, I'll get in the race just to show that Biden's vulnerable, and then you'll see some other more serious candidates jump in.

00:34:01.000 There's a reason that Democrats are hitting the panic button right now, and Cenk does not happen to be wrong.

00:34:06.000 I mean, again, there's something tactical to what he's doing there.

00:34:09.000 I think that it's a mission doomed for failure, but he's saying it's a mission doomed for failure.

00:34:12.000 It's kind of fascinating.

00:34:13.000 Okay, in just one second, we'll get into the controversy of the day on the right side of the aisle first.

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00:34:48.000 And you know, Sierra's doing her best and everything, and she has to listen to everybody complain all the time. 0.96

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00:35:53.000 Meanwhile, on the right, a fascinating debate has broken out about the value of marriage.

00:35:58.000 It's really interesting.

00:35:59.000 So there are a bunch of people on the so-called red-pilled right who have now suggested that marriage is bad for men, that men should not get married. 0.94

00:36:05.000 Now, the case that they're making is not the liberal feminist case that basically men are useless and terrible and a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle or anything like that.

00:36:14.000 The case that they are making is that the stakes of marriage have been changed by things like no-fault divorce, custody arrangements, The child support payments and all the rest, spousal support, that basically the legal regimen has made it not a bargain for men to get married.

00:36:28.000 Now, I agree with the critique of all of those policies.

00:36:32.000 I think no-fault divorce is a disaster area. 0.98

00:36:34.000 I think that the child custody arrangements that basically always go to mom no matter what, that is a serious problem. 0.99

00:36:40.000 When you shift the incentive structure, there's a reason why the majority of divorces, the vast majority of divorces are now initiated by women. 1.00

00:36:47.000 That is not because in the past women were wildly abused and today they are wildly liberated. 0.87

00:36:53.000 What that really is is when you shift the incentive structure and it turns out that all the risk is now taken by men, women aren't going to be the ones who actually activate and push that divorce button. 1.00

00:37:03.000 However, the red pills have taken it one step further and now they're telling young men you should not get married.

00:37:07.000 It's too dangerous to get married.

00:37:08.000 Don't get married. 0.99

00:37:10.000 That's foolish. 1.00

00:37:11.000 That's foolish. 0.99

00:37:11.000 So let's go through some of these arguments because they become very popular on the right. 0.99

00:37:15.000 So let's start with Pearl Davis.

00:37:16.000 So Pearl Davis is an anti-feminist who has become pretty popular these days. 1.00

00:37:20.000 A lot of people label her sort of a female Andrew Tate, although without the checkered past.

00:37:25.000 And here is Pearl Davis talking about marriage.

00:37:29.000 The Trad Con's Daily Wire conservatives are saying that Pearl's just a doom and gloomer who lies about stats, just focuses on the negatives, never the positives, and all the men complaining are just crybabies. 0.96

00:37:46.000 And so one day he comes home and he finds out that his wife had called the police on him and told them that the first time they hooked up 10 years ago, He had quote-unquote raped her. 0.92

00:38:04.000 And the truth of the matter is, when a man has children, they're not his kids. 0.90

00:38:08.000 A man has no way to have children, and those kids be actually his. 1.00

00:38:14.000 They're always hers.

00:38:15.000 Because the courts give women custody 90% of the time, and rich men are really the only ones that have the money to fight it, and the time.

00:38:25.000 So, I ask the Daily Wire, Jeremy Boeing, Matt Walsh, Um, is this just crybabies?

00:38:33.000 Are they just, are they just their crybaby weak men who don't man up and want to risk that?

00:38:40.000 So, you know, it's interesting because instead of demanding that the laws change and demanding women face repercussions for doing this stuff, you guys demand that men need to step up and take part in a system that discriminates against them.

00:38:57.000 You say, oh, find a girl that prays, she won't do it. 1.00

00:38:59.000 But, and I had this thought too, until I found a Muslim girl that did the same thing.

00:39:05.000 I found a Christian girl that did the same thing.

00:39:07.000 I found a Catholic girl.

00:39:09.000 It's happening all over.

00:39:10.000 Whether you want to believe it or not, it is happening.

00:39:13.000 I don't care about your religion. 1.00

00:39:15.000 I don't care about your church.

00:39:16.000 This happens everywhere.

00:39:17.000 Okay, so the argument that she's making against all these marital policies, those are correct arguments and nobody is disregarding the pain of men who have been wrongfully victimized under these circumstances where the incentive structure is completely stacked against them.

00:39:31.000 That is true.

00:39:32.000 However, the benefits of marriage are still unbelievable.

00:39:35.000 It does matter who you marry.

00:39:36.000 To pretend that there is no difference between the person that you marry, that it's happening with Christians and Muslims and it's all the same, that's statistically untrue.

00:39:43.000 There are things that you can do to mitigate against the risk of divorce and the person that you marry is the chief mitigation.

00:39:49.000 The truth is that in the Jewish community, we always have a backup plan in the sense that every marital contract is a prenup.

00:39:56.000 Every marital contract is a prenup, right?

00:39:57.000 A Jewish ketubah is a prenup. 0.99

00:39:59.000 It guarantees certain levels of spousal support, for example.

00:40:02.000 If you give a get, then it makes prior arrangements and all the rest.

00:40:08.000 But throwing out the baby with the bathwater is not the solution.

00:40:11.000 So how about both?

00:40:12.000 How about we revise the system of law?

00:40:14.000 But also, in the meantime, you do need to find a spouse and get married to her.

00:40:18.000 And if what it requires for you to feel comfortable doing that is to shift away from the state-mandated law and toward a contract arrangement, then do that as well.

00:40:28.000 We can have churches that sponsor that sort of thing.

00:40:30.000 Because the truth is that those are enforceable contracts in court very often, the pre-custody arrangements and all the rest of that sort of thing.

00:40:36.000 I want to go through some of the stats with regard to the benefits of marriage because I think that it's also possible to exaggerate how bad things are for men.

00:40:42.000 That doesn't mean they aren't really bad for men who end up divorced, or that women aren't divorcing men at an incredibly high rate overall, or that women aren't initiating the vast majority of divorces.

00:40:51.000 Again, I agree with many of the critiques of current marital law.

00:40:53.000 I agree with a lot of that stuff.

00:40:55.000 The problem is that when you take it so far that you say that the solution for men is to not get married, now what you have done is you've created a second order of fact where unmarried men Become actual menaces.

00:41:05.000 The reality is that men channel their aggressive drives toward building or they channel it toward destroying.

00:41:14.000 And a system in which women are unmarried and men are unmarried, that's something that the left wants. 0.99

00:41:19.000 And if you acquiesce in that, then you actually end up destroying the very fundamental basis of society that allows for the growing and building of a society beyond the leftist principles.

00:41:30.000 My answer to Pearl is both and.

00:41:33.000 Yes, get married, and also we should work to change those laws. 0.98

00:41:36.000 But, by the way, the way that we date has an effect on how we get married and who we get married to.

00:41:42.000 When I dated my wife, we went in knowing, as we began to date, that we were not going to sleep together until we were married.

00:41:48.000 We knew for a fact that we were going to have long conversations about things that mattered.

00:41:53.000 And this is, by the way, the best available data suggests that this is how you end up with a tangible, durable marriage that lasts a very long time, is that everybody has to be committed going in.

00:42:04.000 When you put values at the center of dating, that obviously doesn't mean that you're going to be impervious to the possibility of divorce, but it does mean that your chances of divorce are really a lot lower, a lot lower.

00:42:13.000 Now, I don't want to rip on Pearl here, and I don't think I am ripping on Pearl, frankly, but there are a bunch of other people who are making similar claims.

00:42:18.000 So, for example, Brian Atlas was on the Whatever podcast, and here he was talking about marriage.

00:42:24.000 Would you consider a prenup?

00:42:26.000 Prenups are regularly thrown out all the time.

00:42:29.000 They're typically non-enforceable, especially the longer the marriage goes on, the less likely they are to be enforced.

00:42:36.000 Men get absolutely destroyed in marriage and in divorce.

00:42:41.000 Financially, when it comes to the kids, women are more likely to get custody. 1.00

00:42:46.000 And then also, if you do get a divorce, the financial cost of just getting the attorney, getting all that involved.

00:42:51.000 If it's a contested divorce, You're gonna spend mid five figures, six figures on attorneys.

00:42:57.000 And you got to pay for her attorney too.

00:42:58.000 50% of marriages end in divorce.

00:43:01.000 80% of divorces are initiated by women.

00:43:03.000 90% if she's college educated.

00:43:04.000 90% of child support payments go from men to women.

00:43:08.000 97% of alimony payments go from men to women.

00:43:10.000 You know, you have no fault of divorce.

00:43:12.000 So a woman can cheat on you. 1.00

00:43:14.000 She can still get half her sh**. 1.00

00:43:16.000 Okay. 0.99

00:43:17.000 Again, a lot of what he's saying is true.

00:43:18.000 The stats on marriage are not completely true.

00:43:20.000 I'll go through those in just one second.

00:43:22.000 Again, the rip on the divorce law is a good rip.

00:43:25.000 It is a fine rip.

00:43:26.000 And the answer is not for men to avoid marriage.

00:43:28.000 The answer is for men to find a good woman to get married to who is committed to values. 0.84

00:43:31.000 Yes, of course marriage is a risk.

00:43:32.000 Of course it is.

00:43:33.000 And that risk is disproportionately borne by men at this point.

00:43:36.000 That is true also.

00:43:37.000 But is the reward worth the risk?

00:43:39.000 The answer, in a huge majority of circumstances where both people are committed Like, say, share Christian values, for example?

00:43:45.000 The risk is worth it, is the basic principle.

00:43:51.000 Again, these arguments are made not just by people like this.

00:43:54.000 Andrew Tate has made the same sorts of arguments.

00:43:57.000 Here's Andrew Tate talking about how men don't benefit from marriage.

00:44:01.000 I think it's a fantastic environment and I think in an idealistic world that's the way it would be.

00:44:05.000 I think the reason it's not happening today is that I don't think many men actually benefit from marriages or relationships anymore.

00:44:11.000 And people are always going to have to require some degree of incentive.

00:44:15.000 I think that we've set up the world now in a way where men are seen as worker droids. 0.93

00:44:20.000 They're expected to go work all day, come home, clean up as well, share the cleaning with the woman, not 1.00

00:44:24.000 have any, no meal prepared for them, not have any authority over the household and just be a 0.55

00:44:30.000 worker droid and be a sad.

00:44:31.000 And I don't think that many people understand that men are intrinsically wired to desire respect

00:44:37.000 amongst our peers and in our environments. This is why CEOs work so hard because they get respect

00:44:43.000 in their company. Okay. So again, I don't disagree with much of what you say, but the solution

00:44:50.000 very often with the red pill kind of movement, the diagnosis is correct and the solution is wrong.

00:44:56.000 That happens very, very often in this sort of movement.

00:44:59.000 The reason, by the way, that Pearl and the rest of the red pill movement think the way they do is because of arguments like the one that a person named Destiny makes with Pearl in this particular clip.

00:45:07.000 I mean now earning men have a hard time respecting the men they're with.

00:45:10.000 That's not true.

00:45:11.000 I read into that data and it explained why.

00:45:14.000 A lot of the time the women reported that they were expected to be in charge of the household duties and still work a job. 1.00

00:45:21.000 And they had to... Oh come on, what percent of modern women actually cook? 1.00

00:45:25.000 I'm just saying this sh** is automated nowadays. 0.78

00:45:27.000 I mean you have a washing machine, a dishwasher... But as much as it's automated, men still don't do it. 0.97

00:45:35.000 Yes!

00:45:36.000 So don't do it!

00:45:37.000 They still don't do it.

00:45:38.000 That's the issue.

00:45:38.000 That's one of the big problems with outlaws.

00:45:40.000 Isn't that a reason for divorce? 1.00

00:45:41.000 It absolutely is a reason.

00:45:44.000 When you get older and you manage a household on your own, Pearl, you'll see how f***ing annoying it is when you're working and then you come home and everything is f***ed up and horrible and nobody's f***ing cleaning anything.

00:45:51.000 Yeah, that is a totally valid reason for divorce, of course.

00:45:54.000 Shores.

00:45:54.000 To break up a home.

00:45:55.000 A family.

00:45:56.000 Have you lived in a filthy home before?

00:45:58.000 It's so funny because lifelong friends from grade school to high school will dorm in college and then hate each other forever over bad dorm roommates.

00:46:05.000 And that's not even a relationship.

00:46:06.000 So yeah, of course I think stuff like this is perfectly valid.

00:46:09.000 I think splitting up duties in the household is one of the most important parts of a relationship.

00:46:13.000 Because it's where you're spending most of the time together.

00:46:15.000 This is why I say, people get triggered when I say it, I don't think you're even dating until you live together.

00:46:20.000 So what Destiny is saying here is totally crazy, okay?

00:46:28.000 The idea that you get divorced, let's say you have kids, you get divorced because you can't split up who handles the dishwasher is nuts.

00:46:34.000 And comparing marriage to roommates, college roommates, yes, because you don't expect to be roommates with your roommate for the rest of your life and have children with them, generally speaking.

00:46:43.000 A marriage is not supposed to be a contractual arrangement that is purely about who shares household duties.

00:46:47.000 It's supposed to be about building a household.

00:46:49.000 So it's that attitude toward divorce that is making the Red Pill crew basically say, okay, well, if that's your version of marriage, then I'm not in.

00:46:56.000 I agree.

00:46:56.000 If that were my version of marriage, I would not be in.

00:46:59.000 The point that I'm making is that that shouldn't be anybody's version of marriage.

00:47:02.000 Just like the current version of divorce shouldn't be anybody's version of divorce.

00:47:04.000 And I want to give you some stats that demonstrate that not all marriages are created equal.

00:47:08.000 Not all predicates for marriage are the same.

00:47:11.000 So Brad Wilcox, who is a social science scholar on all of this, he has a book called Get Married, and it's all about marriage and divorce.

00:47:19.000 And here are some of the facts in that book that are well substantiated by the data.

00:47:23.000 The number one factor in predicting a high quality marriage is perceived partner commitment.

00:47:27.000 If you believe that your partner is deeply committed to the marriage, you will be deeply committed to the marriage.

00:47:35.000 Which is one of the reasons why it really matters how you date.

00:47:37.000 It really, really matters how you date.

00:47:39.000 So I agree that in a context where you're picking up a girl at a bar and then you live together and then you get married to her, that's a very risky situation.

00:47:44.000 You put yourself in a situation that is very risky.

00:47:46.000 But that is not how I've ever recommended dating.

00:47:48.000 That is not ever how I've recommended getting married.

00:47:49.000 It is all part of a holistic view of how male-female relationships work.

00:47:54.000 If you just take marriage as an institution and you just throw it out there and however you date is supposed to be equivalent, that of course is not true.

00:48:02.000 Women who attend church are 50% less likely to divorce.

00:48:05.000 For example, so when you heard Pearl earlier talk about, for example, I've seen Christian women do it, I've seen Muslim women.

00:48:10.000 Yes, but the question is likelihood.

00:48:13.000 You can always find somebody in any group who does X, Y, or Z. The question is how often does that happen?

00:48:17.000 How do you mitigate your risk?

00:48:20.000 As far as the stat that 50% of marriages end in divorce, just about 40% right now of first marriages end in divorce, which is way, way too high.

00:48:26.000 It's also down significantly since the 1980s.

00:48:28.000 But again, it's not equivalent between groups.

00:48:30.000 College-educated parents' risk of divorce has fallen by about 25% since the 1970s.

00:48:35.000 And here's a good stat.

00:48:36.000 Almost 90% of their children, for college-educated parents, are being raised and married largely in tech families today.

00:48:43.000 So it turns out that there is actually a formula to a successful marriage.

00:48:47.000 It tends to be conservative, Religious. 0.93

00:48:51.000 Highly educated.

00:48:53.000 Those would be the biggest things that are going to affect whether you end up staying married or whether you end up divorced.

00:49:00.000 By the way, another factor that ends up determining whether you stay married or end up divorced is, again, about the nature of the marriage.

00:49:04.000 Do you have kids?

00:49:06.000 Marriages with kids divorce far less often than marriages without kids.

00:49:12.000 In fact, the divorce rate for couples with kids is about 40% lower than the divorce rate for couples without kids, which makes sense because you have less investment.

00:49:18.000 Once you have kids, then actually it damages another party for you to get divorced over the dishwasher.

00:49:25.000 And then somebody else pays for your crimes at that point.

00:49:30.000 77% of college-educated conservative parents are still in their first marriage.

00:49:33.000 So are 70% of moderates and 68% of liberals.

00:49:38.000 And again, the number of newly divorced people per 1,000 married Americans has declined pretty markedly since the 80s.

00:49:43.000 It was 22.6 in 1980.

00:49:44.000 It is 13.6 today in 2021.

00:49:48.000 As far as the notion that it's damaging financially for men to get married, no, it's damaging for men to get divorced.

00:49:53.000 It's not damaging for men to get married.

00:49:55.000 Married men in their 30s earn about $95,000.

00:49:56.000 If they're cohabiting, they earn about $68,000.

00:49:58.000 If they're single, they earn about $42,000.

00:50:03.000 The average marriage premium in household assets is more than $290,000 for a stably married man.

00:50:08.000 So, again, I think what people are actually arguing about over here, to be fair to the Red Pill crew, I think what they're actually arguing about is divorce.

00:50:14.000 And so the question is, are you more likely to stay married or are you more likely to end up in a divorce situation?

00:50:20.000 And that is a fair question depending on the process that you use for dating.

00:50:25.000 In the cultural milieu in which you live.

00:50:28.000 In the community where I live, an Orthodox Jewish community, Not a lot of divorce.

00:50:32.000 Like very, very low divorce rates.

00:50:34.000 Why?

00:50:34.000 Well, because everyone is religiously committed.

00:50:36.000 Because everybody goes into marriage believing it is a sacred bond that actually matters.

00:50:40.000 Because people don't date for sex.

00:50:42.000 People actually date looking forward to the day when they will have kids together.

00:50:44.000 Because every family in my neighborhood has four plus kids.

00:50:49.000 Those are the preconditions.

00:50:50.000 But if the idea here is that your basic Binary is, are you going to be married or divorced?

00:50:59.000 Divorced is typically worse than never married.

00:51:02.000 And married is way better than both divorced and never married.

00:51:05.000 And so yeah, it's a risk.

00:51:07.000 But is it a coin flip?

00:51:07.000 I don't think it's a coin flip.

00:51:08.000 I think it is a decision that you have to make as to what kind of person you wish to date, how you wish to date that person, what kind of relationship.

00:51:16.000 Let's look at some of the upsides and downsides.

00:51:18.000 Here's a chart from Brad about opioid overdose deaths by gender, educational attainment, and marital status.

00:51:21.000 and they need to change. 1.00

00:51:22.000 They're garbage. 1.00

00:51:23.000 I totally agree with that. 1.00

00:51:24.000 It is easy for men to be victimized under these circumstances.

00:51:26.000 It's so easy that you should not enter the risk.

00:51:29.000 Let's look at some of the upsides and the downsides.

00:51:30.000 Here's a chart from Brad about opioid overdose deaths by gender, educational attainment, and marital status.

00:51:36.000 And what you see is that among men, if you are single, never married,

00:51:42.000 what you see is that the opioid overdoses per 100,000 age 25 plus,

00:51:47.000 it's like 25 for single, never married men, It is even higher for divorced men.

00:51:51.000 And it is extremely low for married men.

00:51:54.000 Really, really low for married men.

00:51:57.000 And again, are you going to be one of the people who gets divorced or not?

00:52:00.000 One of the things you can know going in is you will never get divorced.

00:52:04.000 And then you have to make sure that you marry a woman who will never get divorced. 0.66

00:52:07.000 And we can't pretend that divorce sort of falls on you like rain from the heavens.

00:52:10.000 That's not right.

00:52:11.000 The person who's... This is why I give dating advice all the time.

00:52:15.000 My number one dating advice.

00:52:16.000 Date for values.

00:52:18.000 Date for values.

00:52:19.000 In the end, that's the only thing that's going to remain.

00:52:21.000 Okay, time for some things I like.

00:52:23.000 So, things that I like today.

00:52:25.000 The Senate has apparently now passed, unanimously, a dress code.

00:52:28.000 A formal dress code.

00:52:30.000 Because they had changed their rules so that John Fetterman could dress like my 7-year-old son.

00:52:35.000 To be fair to my 7-year-old son, he dresses significantly better than John Fetterman.

00:52:38.000 My 7-year-old son, pretty dapper. 0.95

00:52:40.000 John Fetterman looks like a schlub in a hobo. 0.94

00:52:43.000 According to Axios, the Senate passed a resolution on Wednesday to make business attire a requirement on the Senate floor.

00:52:48.000 The move came after backlash to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer's directive to scuttle the chamber's informal dress code, which was widely viewed to be inspired by Senator John Fetterman.

00:52:56.000 The bipartisan resolution requires that business attire be worn on the floor of the Senate, which for men shall include a coat tie and slacks or other long pants.

00:53:04.000 Again, he had shown up after going to the hospital for depression and he had presided over the Senate wearing a short-sleeved shirt earlier this month.

00:53:14.000 So Schumer said, quote, though we've never had an official dress code,

00:53:16.000 events over the past week have made us all feel as though formalizing one is the right path forward.

00:53:20.000 I deeply appreciate Senator Federman working with me to come

00:53:22.000 to an agreement that we all find acceptable.

00:53:24.000 And of course, I appreciate Senator Manchin and Senator Romney's leadership on this issue.

00:53:27.000 I'm not sure why exactly this was necessary in the first place.

00:53:33.000 Senator Federman, for his part, we always say he tweeted, but he never tweets.

00:53:39.000 It's his team tweeting for him.

00:53:40.000 Tweeted out a meme of Kevin James in schlubby attire shrugging.

00:53:46.000 And then he showed up to the Senate wearing a big boy suit.

00:53:50.000 So this is exciting news.

00:53:52.000 He showed up wearing a suit and looking kind of bewildered by the whole thing.

00:53:57.000 More like my baby than my three or seven year old.

00:54:01.000 Giving a bizarre thumbs up as he walked through the halls of the Senate.

00:54:05.000 Chuck Schumer undoubtedly told him that he would take him to the ice cream truck.

00:54:09.000 And if he wore a suit.

00:54:12.000 And so John Fetterman put on a suit.

00:54:14.000 And then he also shaved.

00:54:15.000 So his ever-changing facial hair continues.

00:54:18.000 Man, he is Mr. Potato Head.

00:54:20.000 Mr. Potato Head.

00:54:21.000 It used to be Cory Booker.

00:54:21.000 It is now John Fetterman.

00:54:23.000 Okay, we're going to skip some things I hate.

00:54:25.000 And we're going to get into Elon Musk being sued again by the federal government.

00:54:29.000 It's amazing how if you cross Joe Biden and the federal government, magically, you find yourself in the crosshairs.

00:54:33.000 If you're not a member, become a member.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - September 29, 2023

DeSantis Challenges Trump Directly

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