The Ben Shapiro Show - Did China Just DRINK OUR MILKSHAKE?!

00:00:00.000 Well, folks, did China just drink our milkshake?

00:00:02.000 China has a brand new AI model.

00:00:03.000 It's called DeepSeek.

00:00:04.000 And some people are comparing this technical advancement from China to Russia's Sputnik moment back in 1957 when they launched a satellite into orbit, shocking America's technological cadre.

00:00:15.000 What exactly are we talking about here?

00:00:17.000 Apparently, China has now released a brand new AI. It's called DeepSeek.

00:00:21.000 This is an AI that was trained on chips that are way less sophisticated than the NVIDIA chips that have been sort of the...

00:00:31.000 So, to review for just a second, for those of us who haven't been following AI very closely, artificial intelligence has progressed tremendously over the course of the last three to four years.

00:00:40.000 Tremendously.

00:00:40.000 If you've been following ChatGPT, it is so good at this point at pretty much everything, and it is only one step removed from being able to do many things in the real world.

00:00:49.000 So, for example, if you use ChatGPT to put together a travel itinerary for any location on the globe, You can give it a prompt.

00:00:55.000 It'll give you the travel itinerary.

00:00:56.000 Right now, you can't just hit book.

00:00:58.000 But soon, you will be able to do that.

00:01:00.000 And AI is going to change how we do our jobs in so many different industries.

00:01:04.000 It was assumed that America had a massive lead in the AI industry.

00:01:08.000 Why?

00:01:09.000 Well, because AI, working as it does, of incredible levels of data, just reams and reams of data, has to use very sophisticated microchips.

00:01:18.000 Typically created by NVIDIA and then produced at TSMC, which is an actual semiconductor factory over in Taiwan.

00:01:26.000 And firms like Meta that have been investing billions of dollars into AI or OpenAI or Google.

00:01:31.000 All of these various companies have been pouring billions of dollars into buying these NVIDIA microchips that are designed in order to be able to process these huge quantities of data because that's how AI actually works.

00:01:41.000 The way that AI works is it crunches as much data as humanly possible.

00:01:44.000 It works it through a matrix where it can actually determine.

00:01:47.000 Which words in any given sentence are the most important?

00:01:50.000 And then it predicts, essentially, this is how LLMs work, large language models.

00:01:54.000 It then predicts what the next word in a sentence is going to be.

00:01:58.000 This is why you can prompt ChatGPT to write you a joke about a duck in the style of Charles Dickens, and it will do that, simply based off cramming extraordinary amounts of data.

00:02:06.000 Takes huge energy, takes huge number of sophisticated microchips, or at least that's what everybody thought until a little bit earlier this week.

00:02:14.000 This week, China released...

00:02:17.000 An AI model called DeepSeek.

00:02:19.000 DeepSeek is apparently just as sophisticated as ChatGPT, but it cost a fraction of the cost to produce.

00:02:25.000 Instead of using NVIDIA sophisticated microchips, apparently they were using less sophisticated microchips.

00:02:30.000 That's the reason why NVIDIA, which had been moved up to a trillion dollar market cap, it had grown massively.

00:02:35.000 It's a 30-year-old company, but only in the last three, four years has it spiked.

00:02:39.000 To that trillion-dollar valuation, it dropped almost 20% in the stock market because suddenly it appears the barrier to entry in AI has dropped precipitously as well.

00:02:47.000 It is less expensive than thought to develop a very sophisticated AI. China was able to do it apparently based off chips that were not from NVIDIA, which is why NVIDIA's stock dropped.

00:02:56.000 It's also why a huge number of stocks that were tied into American AI dropped as well.

00:03:00.000 The idea is now there's a much more competitive sphere.

00:03:04.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, Technology stocks tumbled Monday on news that China's DeepSeek had trained a sophisticated artificial intelligence model at a fraction of the cost of its Silicon Valley rivals, triggering a sudden reversal of the recent AI rally.

00:03:16.000 NVIDIA, whose chips have been used to power many of the leading AI models, sank 17%.

00:03:20.000 The move wiped out more than $590 billion from the company's market value and tarnished one of the stock market's brightest stars.

00:03:27.000 The tech-heavy Nasdaq Composites led 3.1%.

00:03:29.000 The S&P 500 sank 1.5% after reaching a record last week.

00:03:34.000 Now again, It's quite possible that AI was being overvalued, that all of these various companies were being overvalued, that it's sort of like the tech bubble in the late 90s, that a huge amount of money is being invested into AI, but it's not clear how much revenue is actually going to be generated by AI in the real world.

00:03:50.000 So tons of money is now chasing a couple of sort of big hits.

00:03:54.000 This happens very often when you have a speculative bubble that's created by a new technology, and then the market tends to wipe out a lot of the speculation, and what you end up with...

00:04:02.000 are the long-lasting gains from the technology.

00:04:04.000 The dot-com bubble, of course, did not end dot-com.

00:04:07.000 The dot-com bubble did not end the internet.

00:04:09.000 Instead, the dot-com bubble was created by enthusiasm for an entire new wave of products, and it turns out that a lot of that enthusiasm was put in the wrong places, but it didn't mean the internet didn't transform life.

00:04:18.000 It did.

00:04:19.000 The same thing is going to be true of AI. So a lot of these stocks that are currently highly valued may be overvalued at this point, and the fact that China was able to develop DeepSeq without using NVIDIA chips means, again, That many of these companies that were assumed to have essentially an oligopoly, that they were going to have enormous power in the AI market, maybe they don't have as much power as they thought they did because it turns out the barrier to entry is now much lower.

00:04:43.000 All in all, Monday's market bloodbath wiped out some $1 trillion from the stock market's value according to the Dow Jones market data.

00:04:49.000 Now, as I said, some people, like Marc Andreessen, the investor, have been comparing this to the Sputnik moment.

00:04:54.000 Sputnik, of course, is when the Soviet Union launched a satellite that orbited the Earth and shocked the Americans out of their complacence about their technological superiority.

00:05:03.000 This is something very, very similar.

00:05:05.000 America had assumed that we were way ahead in the world of AI, and that was particularly because of our control over the microchip sector via TSMC and NVIDIA. And it turns out, not so much.

00:05:16.000 According to the New York Times, this new chatbot created by DeepSeek is the talk of the AI world.

00:05:21.000 Apparently, it works basically as well as ChatGPT.

00:05:24.000 One columnist said, I spent the morning playing with the chatbot, asking it, along with OpenAI's ChatGPT and Anthropics Claude, all the questions I could think of after some initial toying, I was impressed.

00:05:32.000 It was able to solve complex math, physics, and reasoning problems.

00:05:35.000 I fed it twice as fast as ChatGPT.

00:05:38.000 When I asked it questions about computer programming that's hypes a job applicant might be faced with in a technical interview, its responses were as in-depth and speedy as its competitors.

00:05:47.000 There are some problems with DeepSeek, and this is one of the reasons why America needs to win the battle for AI. DeepSeek monitors all your data.

00:05:55.000 If you use DeepSeek, it is doing the same thing that all other various Chinese companies do.

00:06:01.000 It is mining your data to an extraordinary extent.

00:06:03.000 In the same way that TikTok is a Chinese psyop that is designed to draw enormous amounts of American data to it, the same thing is true of DeepSeek.

00:06:11.000 According to their user agreement, We automatically collect certain information from you when you use the services, including internet or other network activity information, such as your IP address, unique device identifiers, and cookies.

00:06:21.000 We collect certain device and network connection information when you access the service.

00:06:25.000 By the way, this includes keystrokes.

00:06:27.000 It includes pretty much all data.

00:06:30.000 You know that DeepSeek also is censoring like mad.

00:06:35.000 DeepSeek will not allow you to ask questions, for example, about the Tiananmen Square massacre.

00:06:39.000 So what does all of this mean?

00:06:41.000 Well, according to President Trump, What this means is that it's a wake-up call to American industry.

00:06:46.000 Get competitive.

00:06:47.000 Get competitive now.

00:06:48.000 Here's President Trump saying it's a wake-up call.

00:06:49.000 He was speaking at the Congressional Institute yesterday.

00:06:53.000 The release of DeepSeek AI from a Chinese company should be a wake-up call for our industries that we need to be laser-focused on competing to win because we have the greatest scientists in the world.

00:07:07.000 Even Chinese leadership told me that.

00:07:09.000 They said you have the most brilliant scientists in the world.

00:07:12.000 Seattle and various places, but Silicon Valley, they said there's nobody like those people.

00:07:19.000 This is very unusual when you hear a deep seek, when you hear somebody come up with something.

00:07:23.000 We always have the ideas.

00:07:25.000 We're always first.

00:07:25.000 So I would say that's a positive.

00:07:28.000 That could be very much a positive development.

00:07:30.000 Instead of spending billions and billions, you'll spend less and you'll come up with hopefully the same solution.

00:07:37.000 Under the Trump administration, we're going to unleash our tech companies and we're going to dominate the future like never before.

00:07:45.000 OK, he's right about all of that, right?

00:07:48.000 When the cost goes down of actually being able to participate in this market, that means more innovation and more competition, and that's good.

00:07:54.000 As the Wall Street Journal points out, DeepSeek is challenging assumptions about the computing power and spending needed for AI advances.

00:07:59.000 OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank last week made headlines.

00:08:02.000 When they announced a joint venture, Stargate, to invest up to $500 billion in building out AI infrastructure, Microsoft plans to spend $80 billion on AI data centers this year.

00:08:10.000 CEO Mark Zuckerberg on Friday said Meta would spend $65 billion on AI projects and build a data center so large it would cover a significant part of Manhattan.

00:08:18.000 Meta expected to have 1.3 million advanced trips by the end of the year, but DeepSeek's model reportedly required as to $10,000 to develop, which means a radical reduction in the cost to actually develop a...

00:08:33.000 So, what exactly does this mean?

00:08:35.000 Well, number one, President Trump had rescinded a Biden executive order that gave government far too much control over AI. Companies developing AI models that pose a serious risk to national security, economic security, or public health and safety would have had to notify regulators when training their models and share the results of red team safety tests.

00:08:51.000 Biden had suggested that that was necessary in order to eliminate bias and limitation and errors, but...

00:08:56.000 Deep Seek is an open source model, meaning anyone can see the code.

00:09:00.000 And that is designed to basically wipe out all competitors.

00:09:03.000 Because if you have the most advanced version, and you just release the advanced version, everybody ends up using your code.

00:09:09.000 Now, all of that could be a positive.

00:09:12.000 One thing is clear, however, and that is we do have to out-compete China.

00:09:15.000 That is why I'm so much puzzled by President Trump in that same speech, suggesting that he's going to be putting tariffs on Taiwan.

00:09:21.000 I understand President Trump wants to reshore a lot of this production.

00:09:24.000 President Trump seems to be of the belief system that if we reshore semiconductor production in the United States away from Taiwan, that that effectively means that the United States doesn't have to get involved if China decides to make a play for Taiwan, because an American key national interest will no longer be at stake.

00:09:40.000 There's a big problem with this.

00:09:42.000 One is TSMC is leagues ahead of anything that's being produced inside the United States right now.

00:09:47.000 And two is, it appears that DeepSeek was just able to...

00:09:52.000 Radically increase its capability without using sophisticated semiconductors like from TSMC. So it might be a moot point anyway.

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00:12:21.000 Here's President Trump announcing his tariffs on Taiwan, which again, is a strange move since, again, Taiwan is in fact an American ally.

00:12:28.000 In particular, in the very near future, we're going to be placing tariffs on foreign production of computer chips, semiconductors and pharmaceuticals to return production of these essential goods to the United States of America.

00:12:41.000 They left us and they went to Taiwan, which is about 98 percent of the chip business, by the way.

00:12:48.000 And we want them to come back.

00:12:50.000 And we don't want to give them billions of dollars like this ridiculous program that Biden has.

00:12:54.000 Give everybody billions of dollars.

00:12:55.000 They already have billions of dollars.

00:12:57.000 They've got nothing but money, Joe.

00:12:59.000 They didn't need money.

00:13:00.000 They needed an incentive.

00:13:02.000 And the incentive is going to be they're not going to want to pay a 25, 50, or even 100% tax.

00:13:07.000 They're going to build their factory with their own money.

00:13:09.000 We don't have to give them money.

00:13:10.000 They're going to come in because it's good for them to come in.

00:13:13.000 They're giving them money.

00:13:14.000 They don't even know what they're going to do with it.

00:13:16.000 I had people tell me, we have no idea.

00:13:18.000 We didn't need money.

00:13:19.000 They don't know if they're even...

00:13:20.000 They're probably going to use the money to build in other places, other countries.

00:13:23.000 It's a ridiculous plan.

00:13:24.000 Very expensive and ridiculous.

00:13:26.000 The only way you'll get out of this is to build your plant.

00:13:30.000 If you want to stop paying the taxes or the tariffs, you have to build your plant right here in America.

00:13:36.000 That's what's going to happen at record levels.

00:13:40.000 Okay, so he wants to reshore a lot of this stuff.

00:13:43.000 Taiwan, for its part, is trying to basically talk him out of this, suggesting, hey, you know, you guys are running way behind.

00:13:49.000 You design the chips.

00:13:50.000 We make the chips.

00:13:51.000 That's a pretty good deal when it comes to free trade.

00:13:54.000 And it lowers the cost, and it's going to be necessary to lower the cost, given the fact that China is now much more competitive.

00:13:59.000 And this does play into concerns over the way that the Trump administration so far is dealing with China.

00:14:04.000 Obviously, when it comes to TikTok, my hope, and I think this is true, is that President Trump has been using carrots and sticks with regard to Chinese outfits like TikTok.

00:14:13.000 He has delayed, for example, the implementation of the shutdown of TikTok in order to negotiate presumably a sale of TikTok that will end without TikTok being controlled by the Chinese.

00:14:23.000 If we are in fact in competition with China, which we certainly are, then we need to be using every resource at our disposal and not hamstringing our ability to compete with the Chinese by putting tariffs on semiconductors, which of course drives up prices for precisely the companies we need to actually out-compete the Chinese on this basis.

00:14:40.000 Now, with all of this said, President Trump has been pairing his call for tariffs more broadly with a call for tax decreases.

00:14:47.000 So, for example, President Trump the other day suggested funding the government solely through tariffs.

00:14:52.000 If the question was, can we substitute tariffs for income tax?

00:14:56.000 I'm in.

00:14:57.000 Really, if you're going to lower the cost on business in the United States by giving giant tax cuts and at the same time increase government revenues through tariffs, that seems like a worthwhile tradeoff.

00:15:08.000 If, however, the idea is tariffs without any sort of concomitant deregulation or tax cuts, that just raises prices in the United States.

00:15:16.000 How about just no tax break?

00:15:18.000 You can do that.

00:15:25.000 You know, if the tariffs work out like I think, a thing like that could happen if you want to know the truth.

00:15:31.000 You know, years ago, 1870 to 1913, we didn't have an income tax.

00:15:38.000 We had, what we had is tariffs where foreign countries came in and they stole our jobs, they stole our companies, they stole our product, they ripped us off.

00:15:46.000 And, you know, they used to do numbers and then we went to tariff, a tariff system.

00:15:53.000 Now, again, if he's using tariffs as a trade-off for a relatively small government, if he's using it as a trade-off for lowering taxes, I agree and I'm in.

00:16:02.000 And that seems to be the pattern that he would like to follow ideologically.

00:16:05.000 That was, in fact, the plan of William McKinley, who he sort of modeled himself after.

00:16:09.000 William McKinley, for those who don't know, was a twice-elected president of the United States, assassinated, and the person who took over for him was Teddy Roosevelt.

00:16:15.000 As the Wall Street Journal points out in a piece by David Uberte, Trump tries to forge a golden age economy of self-reliance and defiance.

00:16:22.000 A potentially leaner, meaner government at the center of it all is already throwing the country's weight around even against longtime allies in the hope of bending global trade to America's will.

00:16:30.000 In discussing possible tariffs that could upend some U.S. companies' supply chains and other countries' entire economies, Trump has likened his approach to that of President William McKinley, Republican leader during an era known as the Gilded Age, a period of rapid industrialization after the Civil War that created tremendous wealth for America but was marked by rampant inequality.

00:16:46.000 President Trump said, quote, President McKinley made our country very rich through tariffs and through talent.

00:16:50.000 He was a natural businessman.

00:16:51.000 in.

00:16:52.000 Trump, of course, is pushing for a return to meritocracy.

00:16:57.000 He's pushing for less regulation.

00:16:59.000 Here he was just yesterday talking about the rise of the meritocracy in the United States.

00:17:04.000 We are now in a merit-based world.

00:17:08.000 We're a merit-based country.

00:17:12.000 Did you ever think you were going to hear that again?

00:17:15.000 It's based on merit.

00:17:17.000 If you've got the talent, if you've got the work, the ethic, the whole thing, it's based now on...

00:17:22.000 It's not based on any other thing.

00:17:24.000 It's based on merit.

00:17:25.000 It's based on your capability.

00:17:27.000 The United States has now become, again, a meritocracy.

00:17:32.000 Isn't that a beautiful word?

00:17:33.000 A meritocracy?

00:17:36.000 Based on merit.

00:17:37.000 If you do your job well, you're going to go places.

00:17:41.000 Okay, that's great.

00:17:43.000 Again, that's all great.

00:17:44.000 Now, one of the things that he is also doing is he's taking executive action in order to radically reduce spending inside the federal government.

00:17:49.000 So, according to Politico, tens of billions of dollars in federal grants and loans to organizations across America will be halted today after yet another bombshell order from the White House.

00:17:58.000 A brief two-page memo, first published by Marisa Cabas, a New York-based journalist, and swiftly matched by Washington Post, revealed the next step in Trump's warp speed overhaul of the U.S. state.

00:18:06.000 An immediate freeze on all federal grants and loans to outside bodies, which may not align with the president's worldview.

00:18:12.000 While Social Security, Medicare, and payment to individuals will not be affected, this does include grants and loans issued to research bodies, charities, universities, and community projects.

00:18:21.000 The scale of the order is so broad it cites federal spending totaling $3 trillion that people are freaking out about all of this, of course.

00:18:29.000 The memo issued by the Acting Director of the White House Office of Management and Budget.

00:18:33.000 Matthew Vaith said all federal spending must be aligned with presidential priorities.

00:18:36.000 That includes immigration, foreign aid, DEI programs, and the environment.

00:18:40.000 One of the things you're going to see here is something called malicious compliance, in which you see lower-down deep staters attempt to apply these rules to clearly meritorious projects.

00:18:48.000 So there's a grant for cancer research, for example, and you will see some low-down deep stater basically say, we can't give the grant to the cancer project.

00:18:56.000 What's the point?

00:18:57.000 The point is not to enact Trump's will.

00:18:58.000 The point, of course, is to thwart his will by doing something that earns a bad headline.

00:19:03.000 You saw the same sort of thing happen just the other day with Pete Hegseth.

00:19:05.000 Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense, put out a memo saying no DEI inside the DOD, and everybody freaked out because somebody low down in the DOD said we can't teach the Tuskegee Airmen anymore.

00:19:16.000 And Hegseth's like, that's not what I meant at all.

00:19:18.000 You're going to see much of the same thing applied to, for example, cancer research, but it will be quickly corrected.

00:19:24.000 Now, Trump does have the power to pause spending subject to review, and the president did have the power.

00:19:31.000 to withhold congressional spending prior to the Impoundment Control Act of 1974. So it'll be interesting to see what the Supreme Court has to say about all this if we get a meaner, leaner government with lower taxes and lower regulations that gets paid for by tariffs.

00:19:45.000 And he really does mean to sort of redo the McKinley policy.

00:19:50.000 Kind of interesting.

00:19:52.000 Certainly interesting.

00:19:53.000 Meanwhile, Democrats are insisting, of course, that President Trump fix all the problems within the first 24 hours.

00:19:58.000 Chuck Schumer.

00:19:58.000 He had not mentioned inflation for years, the Senate Minority Leader.

00:20:01.000 Now he's saying the president has to answer how he brings down egg prices.

00:20:05.000 The president owes the American people some answers.

00:20:09.000 What is he going to do about the price of eggs that's been exacerbated by bird flu?

00:20:14.000 When hundreds of thousands and even millions of chickens die, they lay fewer eggs.

00:20:19.000 And when there are fewer eggs, the price goes up.

00:20:22.000 The problem's reaching crisis levels.

00:20:24.000 In November, a dozen eggs cost approximately $4 at a grocery store in New York.

00:20:30.000 Already too high.

00:20:31.000 It used to be $2 a year earlier.

00:20:34.000 Now, that same dozen eggs cost $6.

00:20:37.000 And experts believe that the price of eggs could increase as much as 20% more this year if outbreaks continue, meaning that the same dozen eggs would be $8.

00:20:50.000 Hilarious.

00:20:51.000 So he wouldn't talk for years about the price of eggs, but now...

00:20:54.000 We are like a week into the Trump administration, part two, and he's talking about egg prices.

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00:23:08.000 And Democrats are struggling for a way forward.

00:23:10.000 President Trump is moving fast.

00:23:11.000 He's breaking things.

00:23:12.000 That is for sure.

00:23:14.000 And he's going to need to because he's been left with a really fragmentary world thanks to Joe Biden's If you see what the president said last week in his executive orders,

00:23:43.000 he's hitting the ground running.

00:23:45.000 He's made it very clear.

00:23:47.000 There's an emergency at the southern border, that the protection of the sovereign territory of the United States is the job of the Defense Department, and the cartels are foreign terrorist organizations.

00:23:58.000 As a result, this Pentagon snapped, too, last week.

00:24:01.000 We helped move forward troops, put in more barriers, and also to ensure mass deportation, support of mass deportations in support of the president's objective.

00:24:13.000 Tom Holman, the border czar, is saying similar things.

00:24:16.000 He says, President Trump is going to be happy with the level of deportations that we are now pushing.

00:24:20.000 First up, is the president happy with this progress?

00:24:25.000 No, I think the president's happy, but we're going to make him a lot happier.

00:24:28.000 Yesterday was just day one.

00:24:30.000 These rates are going to grow throughout the country.

00:24:32.000 We're not going to let up.

00:24:34.000 We'll put our foot on the gas, and we're going to go.

00:24:36.000 And as I explained to several stations yesterday, the aperture is going to continue to grow.

00:24:41.000 Right now, we're concentrating on public safety threats and national security threats, but as we open up the aperture, look for fugitives, those who had due process at great taxpayer expense.

00:24:50.000 There's over a million of them, 1.4 million.

00:24:51.000 They're on the table.

00:24:53.000 Anybody in the country illegally, they're on the table, but we're going to go after them in a prioritization that makes sense.

00:24:57.000 The worst first.

00:25:01.000 Okay, he is right about all of that.

00:25:03.000 Democrats are freaking out, being led by Selena Gomez.

00:25:05.000 So first of all, points to Selena Gomez for actually being able to emote on camera.

00:25:09.000 I wasn't aware she could do this.

00:25:10.000 I mean, I tried to watch only murders in the building, and she's the worst thing on screen by far.

00:25:14.000 And then, of course, she's in the worst movie I have ever seen, Amelia Perez, which is a horror show of a film.

00:25:20.000 She can't act in that either.

00:25:21.000 But she was crying openly on camera about the thought of deportations pursued by the Trump administration.

00:25:30.000 I just want to say that I'm so sorry.

00:25:35.000 All my people are getting attacked.

00:25:39.000 The children.

00:25:43.000 I don't understand.

00:25:46.000 I'm so sorry.

00:25:48.000 I wish I could do something, but I can't.

00:25:51.000 I don't know what to do.

00:25:54.000 I'll try everything I've...

00:25:58.000 Shut down on actresses crying on camera until they can figure out what the hell is going on.

00:26:02.000 Executive order from President Trump to do all of that.

00:26:05.000 Again, that was about my emotional response after having seen Amelia Perez.

00:26:09.000 Again, the worst film possibly ever made.

00:26:11.000 Meanwhile, Claudia Scheinbaum, the socialist president of Mexico, took over for Emmanuel López Obrador.

00:26:18.000 So she was out there suggesting that the United States is super bad for deporting Mexican criminal illegal immigrants.

00:26:27.000 She says, quote, the Mexicans there sustain the economy of the United States in the countryside, in services, everywhere.

00:26:32.000 Well, I mean, if they're such great citizens who add to the economy, why don't you want them in your country?

00:26:38.000 That seems kind of weird.

00:26:39.000 I mean, the real reason why Mexico has always been a big backer of illegal immigration, twofold.

00:26:44.000 One, the drug cartels make an awful lot of money and the drug cartels basically run the Mexican government.

00:26:48.000 And two, a huge number of Mexicans who cross the border then send remittances back to Mexico and send money back home.

00:26:55.000 That is the actual reason.

00:26:56.000 Honduras is trying to lead a revolt of left-wing states from Latin and South America against the U.S. move to deport illegal immigrants.

00:27:06.000 According to Breitbart, far-left president of Honduras, Xiomara Castro, on Sunday called for an emergency meeting of the community of Latin American and Caribbean states later this week to discuss President Trump's crackdown on illegal migrants in the United States.

00:27:18.000 SEALAC is a 33-country bloc founded in Caracas in 2011, largely promoted by Venezuela's late socialist dictator, Hugo Chavez.

00:27:25.000 As a U.S.-free alternative regional structure to the Organization of American States, of which the United States is, in fact, a member.

00:27:32.000 So President Castro announced that Gustavo Petro, who is the idiot, socialist, unpopular president of Colombia, will travel to the Honduran capital city to participate in the meeting.

00:27:43.000 The event will address migration, the environment, and Latin American and Caribbean unity as its three main subjects.

00:27:47.000 Well, let's see what they have to say, because the reality is that, again, the United States...

00:27:52.000 It represents a huge portion of the export market for all of these particular countries.

00:27:56.000 They're going to have to take back their illegal immigrants.

00:27:58.000 It's just that simple.

00:27:59.000 Brazil, by the way, is still trying its own routine.

00:28:03.000 Lula da Silva, who is a dictatorial authoritarian left-winger, has told his foreign ministry to, quote, seek answers from Washington over what it called the degrading treatment of Brazilian migrants during a U.S. deportation flight on Friday.

00:28:16.000 The official request for an explanation, according to the Washington Post, was issued after Brazilian officials interviewed many of the 88 migrants aboard the flight.

00:28:22.000 Among the first deported by the Trump administration, many of the migrants described a harrowing experience during their transport to Brazil.

00:28:29.000 The passengers said the plane operated by ice was in faulty condition.

00:28:32.000 There was no air conditioning and a mechanical issue became apparent soon after takeoff, requiring multiple maintenance stops in Panama and then in Manoas, the capital of the Brazilian state of Amazonas.

00:28:42.000 So they didn't like the plane enough.

00:28:45.000 For hours in Panama and Manoas, the passengers said they were left to languish in the heat in handcuffs.

00:28:50.000 People, including six children, began to feel faint, according to the migrants.

00:28:53.000 When they tried to resist, they were violently repelled and threatened.

00:28:56.000 Well, I mean, forcing your way off the plane that is deporting you will probably end with bad consequences for you, it seems.

00:29:06.000 Meanwhile, again, left-wingers in the United States are still trying to figure out exactly how to deal with all of this.

00:29:11.000 On the one hand, you have people who say that they will move along with the deportation of criminal illegal immigrants.

00:29:15.000 On the other, you'll have people like Chicago alderman Byron Sigcho Lopez, who says that Trump's mass deportation is unconscionable.

00:29:24.000 The fear that we see by students, by children, by families, by our neighbors, it isn't called for.

00:29:32.000 The unconscionable decision of targeting not only schools, churches.

00:29:36.000 We saw the targeted of one of our churches in our community by some MAGA fanatics coming harassing our pastor, one of the local pastors.

00:29:44.000 We've seen also trying to target hospitals.

00:29:46.000 It's unconscionable the fear that it's creating.

00:29:49.000 This is not making anyone safe.

00:29:50.000 It's actually declined, hurting our businesses, hurting our city.

00:29:54.000 And it's unconscionable that we see this from the White House, a president that should be called on actually addressing inflation, addressing so many of the issues on the ground, It is unconscionable that they are scapegoating and targeting immigrant communities and creating serious harm in our city.

00:30:10.000 Okay, I mean, if this is the angle that Democrats take, good luck to them, politically speaking.

00:30:14.000 Meanwhile, in Florida, controversy has broken out because Governor Ron DeSantis wants to immediately apply new laws to help out ICE and the federal government.

00:30:22.000 And Florida Republicans, some of them, are bucking him.

00:30:25.000 According to the Washington Post, the GOP-led Florida House and Senate, within 20 minutes, ended a special session that DeSantis had called to review several immigration proposals.

00:30:33.000 Instead, they called their own special session.

00:30:35.000 It was a remarkable turn of events in Tallahassee.

00:30:37.000 The actions came as Republican lawmakers.

00:30:39.000 Said they didn't want to do the special session.

00:30:42.000 DeSantis had announced the special session before Trump took office saying it was necessary to get the state in line with plans to address illegal immigration and carry out mass deportations.

00:30:50.000 What exactly was the purpose of the legislator's law?

00:30:54.000 Well, they wanted to remove immigration enforcement from the governor's office and instead give it to the state's agriculture commission.

00:31:00.000 There's only one problem.

00:31:01.000 Wilton Simpson, who is the Florida State Commissioner of Agriculture, happens to be pretty soft on illegal immigration.

00:31:08.000 So is this an attempt to sort of end around Trump enforcement powers?

00:31:13.000 Theoretically, it absolutely could be.

00:31:16.000 And so I hope that the Trump administration takes note of precisely who is opposing attempts by Governor DeSantis to actually implement what Trump would like with regard to compliance with federal immigration law.

00:31:29.000 Again, there are many differences between DeSantis' session proposal and the Florida legislature and what they are actually pushing, including, for example, Law enforcement compliance.

00:31:39.000 The DeSantis proposal would have mandated maximum participation in the deportation with penalties for noncompliance.

00:31:44.000 The Florida legislature instead failed to put an enforceable duty on state and local law enforcement to fully cooperate, for example.

00:31:52.000 So Florida localities would be left to their own devices.

00:31:55.000 There's some significant differences right there.

00:31:57.000 And meanwhile, in other modes of resistance, President Trump has now signed an executive order barring people with gender dysphoria.

00:32:05.000 From military service, which of course makes sense, because if you're joining up so the taxpayers can fund your hormone and genital mutilation, then you really should not be in the U.S. military.

00:32:16.000 Again, there's not a question about patriotism.

00:32:18.000 There are lots of patriotic people who can't serve in the American military.

00:32:20.000 If you suffer, for example, from clinical depression, you're not supposed to be taken into the U.S. military.

00:32:24.000 There are plenty of mental conditions that prevent you from serving in the U.S. military.

00:32:28.000 It seems that gender dysphoria should be one of those conditions.

00:32:32.000 President Trump signed executive orders on Monday barring trans people from enlisting and cracking down on DI initiatives in the military, according to NBC News.

00:32:40.000 The order would update all DOD medical standards to ensure they prioritize readiness and lethality.

00:32:46.000 It would also end the use of invented and identification-based pronouns in the military, prohibit people assigned male at birth from using women's sleeping, changing, or bathing facilities, and bar coverage of transition-related medical care for currently enlisted service members and their family.

00:32:57.000 Again, all of this makes perfect sense.

00:33:00.000 If the goal of the military is not to be a social engineering project, but to actually be the deadliest fighting force on planet Earth, there is no reason why you would, in fact, add to the mix of the U.S. military people who have significant DSM diagnosable conditions.

00:33:16.000 This, of course, has led to the resistance.

00:33:18.000 Again, one of the things that Trump is doing here is he's picking up 80-20 issues and he's clubbing Democrats with them and basically daring them to resist him.

00:33:24.000 And Democrats are going for the dare.

00:33:26.000 Here's State Representative Leifinke.

00:33:29.000 Who's transgender, meaning a man who believes he's a woman, suggesting that this makes us less ready.

00:33:35.000 That barring men who say they are women from the military somehow makes us less ready militarily.

00:33:42.000 I would say that there is no evidence.

00:33:44.000 Anywhere that has been presented that transgender service members are anything but qualified to be a part of our military service.

00:33:52.000 The military is the largest employer of transgender Americans.

00:33:56.000 You heard up to 14,000, 15,000 members identify as trans.

00:34:02.000 And 56 of our retired generals have said that our trans members are ready to serve.

00:34:09.000 They are fit to serve.

00:34:12.000 Only make our military less ready to serve by taking 15,000 people who volunteered out of service.

00:34:24.000 Really?

00:34:25.000 Really?

00:34:25.000 I'm going to believe you.

00:34:27.000 Uh-huh.

00:34:28.000 Sure.

00:34:28.000 What we need is more admirals like Rachel Levine.

00:34:31.000 Probably.

00:34:32.000 Speaking of which, the Biden administration policies with regard to spending on the military and on the State Department, totally insane.

00:34:39.000 According to the Washington Free Beacon, the Biden administration quietly awarded $15 million in taxpayer funds to Taliban controlled Afghanistan to help distribute oral contraceptives and condoms, according to a non-public congressional funding notice reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon.

00:34:53.000 I can't imagine why Donald Trump is now reviewing all foreign aid, including to the U.S. Agency for International Development.

00:34:58.000 We'll get to more on that in just one second.

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00:35:27.000 Okay, so when it comes to...

00:35:29.000 President Trump's action in the military when it comes to President Trump's action on the State Department level.

00:35:33.000 This is all a response to the insanity that was the Biden administration policy.

00:35:37.000 Whether you're talking about Biden administration giving $15 million to the Taliban for contraceptives, or whether you're talking about the insane amount of foreign aid that is poured out to these dictatorships all over the world that they used to just line their own pocketbooks and coffers.

00:35:50.000 The Trump administration is now stopping all of this.

00:35:53.000 According to Politico, the Trump administration's sudden halt on U.S. foreign aid is causing chaos inside groups ranging from health providers to landmine removers.

00:36:00.000 Interrupting life-saving programs is official struggle to understand the scope of the directive.

00:36:04.000 So there is an order on Friday from Secretary of State Marco Rubio to cut all of this.

00:36:10.000 Leaders of aid organizations are looking at which programs to stop and whether to immediately cut staff or even shut down.

00:36:14.000 As they seek waivers, aid groups are scrambling to adjust.

00:36:17.000 Now again...

00:36:18.000 An enormous amount of the coverage of this stuff is going to be that malicious compliance kind of stuff that I'm talking about.

00:36:23.000 The United States is still going to give foreign aid to prevent, for example, HIV from spreading in high-risk areas.

00:36:29.000 That's not going to go away in all likelihood.

00:36:31.000 Anything that creates a bad headline is likely to remain on the books.

00:36:35.000 But the goal for many people in the deep state is going to be to suggest that no cuts can ever be done because if you do any cuts, then bad things might happen.

00:36:43.000 Well, yeah, anytime you cut, bad things could happen, and then you deal with it on a case-by-case basis.

00:36:47.000 And some people have likened what Trump is doing to the federal government to chemotherapy for cancer.

00:36:50.000 That's probably right.

00:36:51.000 It'll do some damage to things that you might like, but it'll also take out the cancer.

00:36:55.000 And that, of course, is the goal.

00:36:57.000 Among the aid groups that appear affected are ones that remove landmines from conflict zones, provide testing and treatment for people with HIV in African countries, through the president's emergency plans for aid, relief, tackling food security worldwide.

00:37:07.000 But again, how much of that aid is actually necessary?

00:37:10.000 How much of that aid is actually useful?

00:37:12.000 That would be the big question.

00:37:14.000 Because it turns out we had some problems here at home, as well as many people have noted in the past.

00:37:19.000 If it's not a core American interest, then us spending billions of dollars handing it to dictators all over the world seems like a very, very bad plan.

00:37:27.000 Meanwhile, the State Department has been urged to observe the spirit of President Trump's anti-DEI order during Black History Month, according to the Wall Street Journal.

00:37:35.000 The State Department should observe the spirit of the Trump administration's elimination of DEI in its public messaging, according to a Monday directive viewed by the Wall Street Journal.

00:37:44.000 Apparently, public diplomacy staff should highlight the valuable contribution of individual Americans throughout U.S. history while ensuring our public communications maintain the spirit of the directive eliminating DEI programs.

00:37:54.000 There'd be no restrictions on content or programming related to accessibility or people with disabilities.

00:37:58.000 The goal, of course, was to stop, for example, the propagandizing of Black History Month in the State Department because, again, the idea is that when you divide Americans by group and then you promote Americans by group, that is generally a bad thing.

00:38:11.000 Secretary of State.

00:38:12.000 Marco Rubio sent cables last week to staff.

00:38:15.000 There's great talent in the department, but, quote, upholding strict meritocracy is essential to securing our nation's future.

00:38:22.000 And he even opened an email account, deiatruth at opm.gov, to monitor the possibility of people trying to shift DEI programs into sort of old wine into new bottles, so to speak.

00:38:35.000 Meanwhile, President Trump is making strong moves inside the DOJ and with regard to inspectors in general.

00:38:41.000 Apparently, according to the Associated Press, the Justice Department said Monday it had fired more than a dozen employees who worked on criminal prosecutions of President Trump, moving rapidly to pursue retribution against lawyers involved in the investigations.

00:38:51.000 Now, let's be clear about this.

00:38:53.000 Firing lawyers when you come into the presidency is a pretty well-established precedent.

00:38:57.000 You don't want lawyers in the DOJ who are going to target things that you don't find to be actual law enforcement priorities.

00:39:03.000 Now, when people say, how dare President Trump weaponize the DOJ, all I can say is the DOJ was weaponized under Joe Biden.

00:39:10.000 Against Donald Trump directly.

00:39:12.000 The abrupt termination targeted career prosecutors who worked on Jack Smith's team, which of course makes perfect sense because if you believe that Jack Smith was a political player, then you could have simply recused yourself from engaging in those particular investigations.

00:39:26.000 Nonetheless, the sort of self-righteousness of so many of the people in the federal government, their weird belief that the world rests on their shoulders and their shoulders alone is pretty amazing.

00:39:36.000 Here, for example, Is it one inspector general fired by President Trump named Mark Greenblatt who's talking about the email that he received from the Trump administration?

00:39:45.000 You were appointed by Donald Trump or named to this position by Donald Trump back in 2019. Do you have any sense of why he would...

00:39:53.000 Put you on this list?

00:39:54.000 No, I don't know.

00:39:56.000 And all that was stated was the changing priorities in that email, which I understand the other IGs who were removed, the 17 or 18 of us, were still sifting through the rubble, frankly, to find out how many IGs were removed.

00:40:09.000 But as far as I know, all of us got essentially the same email that said changing priorities.

00:40:17.000 The real arrogance was shown by one inspector general named Michael Ware.

00:40:21.000 Who suggested, hey, we did wonders for the company.

00:40:23.000 Wonders.

00:40:24.000 Inspector, yes, you did wonders.

00:40:27.000 We have done a stellar job.

00:40:32.000 That is the case with almost all the IGs that have been removed.

00:40:37.000 These people have stood on business.

00:40:40.000 They've done their job in a fair and balanced way that have done wonders for our country.

00:40:49.000 Really, wonders?

00:40:50.000 Name the wonders, please.

00:40:51.000 I'd love to hear the wonders.

00:40:53.000 Meanwhile, President Trump has a bunch of nominees who are up for confirmation this week.

00:40:57.000 One won on Tuesday.

00:40:59.000 That'd be Scott Besson.

00:41:00.000 He is now your new Treasury Secretary.

00:41:02.000 He was ushered in 68 to 29 to confirm Besson to lead the Treasury Department.

00:41:07.000 That is not a shock.

00:41:08.000 His confirmation hearings were fairly uncontroversial.

00:41:12.000 Meanwhile, there are two very, very controversial nominees who are up this week.

00:41:17.000 Maybe three if you can, Tulsi Gabbard.

00:41:18.000 One, of course, is RFK Jr. RFK Jr., again, I like RFK Jr. a lot personally.

00:41:23.000 I've had him on the show.

00:41:25.000 He has expressed support for policies that I think are really troubling, including, apparently, according to Politico, openness to adopting a key progressive proposal for lowering drug prices in a closed-door meeting with Senate.

00:41:36.000 What exactly was that measure?

00:41:39.000 He indicated that he would consider authorizing the government to seize the patents of high-priced medicines from manufacturers and sharing them with other drug makers as a way to force down costs.

00:41:47.000 That is a great way to destroy research and investment in the medical industry.

00:41:53.000 If you just seize patents, which are actual private property, and then you just distribute them out there, who is going to put the money into research and development, into R&D, to develop a drug knowing it could be seized at any moment by the federal government and just redistributed?

00:42:05.000 to a bunch of people who never produced the drug in the first place.

00:42:07.000 Again, that approach was long supported by progressive Democrats.

00:42:10.000 It was supported a little bit by Joe Biden, who used executive authority to take certain drug patents developed using taxpayer money and license them to other manufacturers they might make and sell them for less.

00:42:22.000 You know, that is going to generate some pretty significant pushback from Republicans, you would imagine.

00:42:26.000 Big backers of that policy include Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

00:42:30.000 And then, of course, RFK Jr. is going to have to face down questions about his So,

00:42:55.000 you know, apparently, I hope that's right, because I like RFK Jr. a lot on a personal level, and I hope that he did not back.

00:43:02.000 Any policy like that.

00:43:04.000 One truly egregious nominee, and this is a really bad nominee, is Lori Chavez de Remer for Labor Secretary.

00:43:09.000 She is just a stand-in for union-based labor for these very, very corrupt private and public sector unions who should presumably use government power in order to cram down on private industry a wide variety of bad regulations.

00:43:24.000 Senator Rand Paul, who's a libertarian, said he's a no on Lori Chavez de Remer.

00:43:28.000 It'd be kind of surprising if she got through.

00:43:31.000 She could lose 15 more Republicans.

00:43:33.000 At the same time, a bunch of Democrats could vote for her, so maybe they pick her up.

00:43:36.000 Question is whether she makes it out of committee in the first place.

00:43:39.000 All right, you guys, in one second, we're going to get to the most insane media story of the day, courtesy of The New Yorker magazine.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - January 28, 2025

Did China Just DRINK OUR MILKSHAKE?!

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