The Ben Shapiro Show - Did DeSantis’ Twitter Gamble Payoff??

00:00:04.000 So that's actually what it sounded like last night when Ron DeSantis decided to launch his campaign on Twitter spaces with Elon Musk.

00:00:11.000 Now yesterday I said this is kind of a cool idea, right?

00:00:13.000 Because this is edging around the legacy media.

00:00:15.000 Instead of relying on legacy media to introduce you to the crowd, you just go direct to the crowd.

00:00:19.000 It's basically an extension of what Trump did in 2016 when he took to Twitter in order to set the narrative pretty much every morning.

00:00:25.000 Instead, DeSantis decided that he was going to combine with Elon Musk, who is one of the most powerful people and richest person on earth, In order to introduce himself to a very large crowd.

00:00:34.000 And one of the big questions was going to be how that played.

00:00:37.000 And the other big question was going to be would it even work?

00:00:39.000 Well, not so much was the story of yesterday night.

00:00:44.000 So, about 6 p.m., bunch of people tuned in.

00:00:46.000 When I say a bunch of people, I mean a lot of people.

00:00:48.000 I mean 700,000 people simultaneously tuned in to listen to what Ron DeSantis and Elon Musk were willing to say to one another.

00:00:55.000 And they waited.

00:00:56.000 And then they waited some more.

00:00:58.000 And then, at about five, six minutes in, A few voices could be heard.

00:01:02.000 People whispering into microphones.

00:01:04.000 People not being clear if the tech was working.

00:01:06.000 And to a certain extent, it was like, wow, is this really what a campaign launch is going to sound like?

00:01:10.000 What is going on?

00:01:11.000 This is really weird.

00:01:12.000 On the other hand, I was like, wow, look at the authenticity.

00:01:14.000 This is cool.

00:01:14.000 Look what's happening.

00:01:15.000 And then it glitched out.

00:01:17.000 So you have 700,000 people who are waiting to hear what you have to say for your campaign launch, and it just glitches out.

00:01:22.000 Now, is that the fault of Ron DeSantis?

00:01:24.000 Of course not.

00:01:24.000 He doesn't run Twitter.

00:01:25.000 That is the fault of Musk's engineers.

00:01:27.000 That is the fault of Twitter Spaces for glitching out.

00:01:30.000 And again, when you launch a new technology, it's extremely, extremely risky.

00:01:34.000 Twitter Space is not a new technology, but carrying that sort of listener burden is a very, very new thing for Twitter Spaces to have to do.

00:01:41.000 And, you know, as co-founder of a tech company, of a new media company, I can tell you, we've had glitches ourselves.

00:01:47.000 We've been hacked.

00:01:47.000 You remember that when we premiered Matt Walsh's huge movie, What Is A Woman?

00:01:51.000 That day, we were literally hacked.

00:01:53.000 This sort of stuff does happen on a fairly routine basis, which is why if you're looking for kind of a safe and secure place in order to launch your campaign, Twitter Spaces was not it.

00:02:01.000 So the thing starts to fritz out.

00:02:02.000 Here's what it sounded like when Twitter Spaces started glitching.

00:02:06.000 We've got so many people here that I think we are kind of melting the servers, which is a good sign.

00:02:13.000 All right, I'd like to just introduce the folks in the room here.

00:02:18.000 So it's safe to say we wouldn't be making history without the man sitting next to me, Elon Musk.

00:02:23.000 His decision to purchase this platform last year to restore it to its original mission as a beacon for free speech and even to expose Twitter's past complicity with a government censorship regime might have surprised many, but not those of us who've known and worked with Elon for nearly a quarter century.

00:02:38.000 His commitment to freedom and his willingness to put his money where his mouth is upset the narrative imposed on us by our government.

00:02:48.000 And then it cut out.

00:02:49.000 And so 700,000 people were kicked out of that Twitter space.

00:02:52.000 So they had to launch a second Twitter space.

00:02:54.000 And it took a while for people to be able to log on.

00:02:57.000 I couldn't even log on, I'll be honest.

00:02:58.000 I was trying to re-log in so that I could actually listen, and it just kept kicking me out and saying the Twitter space was dead.

00:03:02.000 So, complete tech failure.

00:03:04.000 Like, complete tech blowout.

00:03:06.000 That was a huge problem.

00:03:08.000 And if you're going to launch, obviously optics matter.

00:03:10.000 A fair bit.

00:03:11.000 If you remember the biggest campaign launches in our history, you'll remember that Donald Trump, of course, in 2016 did the famous descent down the escalator at Trump Tower and people mocked it.

00:03:22.000 Oh my God, what is he doing?

00:03:23.000 That's so crazy.

00:03:24.000 And it turns out that became incredibly iconic.

00:03:26.000 And sure, a lot of the people who were sort of in the rafters were apparently paid.

00:03:29.000 Who cares?

00:03:29.000 It doesn't matter.

00:03:30.000 That was an iconic showmanship thing.

00:03:32.000 This was supposed to be the introduction to a new wave of politics in which, again, legacy media was cut out of the loop and something new was going to happen.

00:03:40.000 And people in the media, of course, started painting this immediately as egg on DeSantis' face.

00:03:45.000 Again, his advance team should have worked with Twitter to make sure this was not going to happen.

00:03:48.000 The true egg should be on the face of the people over at Twitter Spaces who, again, failed DeSantis and failed Musk in this particular situation.

00:03:56.000 Musk himself, on the second go-around, he said, yeah, the servers are pretty clearly straining somewhat.

00:04:04.000 Just a massive number of people online, so it's servers are straining somewhat.

00:04:12.000 That awkwardness is going to make for a thousand memes.

00:04:14.000 It's going to make for a lot of mockery, of course.

00:04:17.000 And that's precisely what happened, as you would imagine.

00:04:20.000 The substance got left behind in favor of all of the coverage of the kind of craziness of a campaign launch where you can't even hear the person who is launching the campaign and hundreds of thousands of people are trying to get in.

00:04:33.000 Joe Biden, of course, responded by tweeting out a link to his own campaign, saying, here is a link that works.

00:04:38.000 I'd like to personally congratulate Rob DeSanctimonious.

00:04:40.000 Rob DeSanctimonious!

00:04:41.000 Donald Trump responded in a typically Trumpian fashion.

00:04:45.000 And again, the people who love this kind of stuff, love this kind of stuff.

00:04:48.000 The people who think that, you know, maybe this campaign is going to be a fight between

00:04:51.000 substance and style, maybe see that contrast pretty strongly right here.

00:04:55.000 So Trump, before this happened, he tweeted out, I personally, I'd like to personally congratulate Rob DeSanctimonious.

00:05:02.000 Rob DeSanctimonious, they call him Rob.

00:05:04.000 I'm finally announcing that he will be entering the race for president of the United States.

00:05:10.000 Hopefully, he will get the full experience of being attacked by the Marxists, the Communists, and the radical left lunatics of our country.

00:05:16.000 Without which, he will never know the kind of job he is doing. 0.87

00:05:20.000 These lowlifes and misfits are far worse than the leaders of hostile foreign countries. 1.00

00:05:24.000 They must be soundly defeated in order to make America great again! 0.95

00:05:29.000 That was before the launch?

00:05:30.000 So first of all, I don't understand why he's calling Ron DeSantis Rob.

00:05:35.000 It's because I think there was a typo in one of his tweets.

00:05:37.000 And so now he's made this a thing.

00:05:38.000 He's going to call him Rob. 1.00

00:05:39.000 Again, this is all sixth grade, silly kind of garbage. 0.99

00:05:42.000 I'm sorry. 0.98

00:05:43.000 Like calling people Rob when their name is Ron.

00:05:45.000 What are we, like 10?

00:05:46.000 I mean, apparently the answer is yes, because it works.

00:05:48.000 But like still, like, I guess if you're thrilled with that sort of thing, OK, fair enough.

00:05:52.000 And then, of course, he then responded to the glitchy failure of the Twitter Space launch.

00:05:57.000 We'll get to that momentarily.

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00:07:00.000 Okay, so Trump continued along these lines in attacking DeSantis and the Twitter launch.

00:07:08.000 So, he also tweeted out, again, calling Ron DeSantis Rob, which is apparently his new thing.

00:07:15.000 Not sure I get it, but okay.

00:07:16.000 Rob, my red button is bigger, better, stronger, and is working.

00:07:21.000 Truth!

00:07:21.000 I think he's on Truth Social as opposed to Twitter.

00:07:23.000 So, first of all, I'd like to point out here that Truth Social has never supported 700,000 people simultaneously streaming anything.

00:07:29.000 Like, so, if we're talking about the back end of Twitter versus the back end of Truth Social, eh.

00:07:34.000 But, Rob, Rob.

00:07:38.000 Okay, ma'am.

00:07:39.000 My red button is bigger, stronger, and is working.

00:07:43.000 Yours does not, per my conversation with Kim Jong-un of North Korea, soon to become my friend.

00:07:50.000 Okay?

00:07:52.000 Well, okay?

00:07:54.000 Alright.

00:07:55.000 So that was response number two.

00:07:57.000 Is that he is best friends with Kim Jong-un and has a big, strong red button.

00:08:01.000 So strong.

00:08:02.000 Bigger, better, stronger.

00:08:04.000 Red button.

00:08:05.000 Rub.

00:08:07.000 And then, of course, no Trump tweet thread would be complete without his team texting out all of the different headlines from the media outlets who were very, very upset and very shocked and appalled at the failure of the Twitter Spaces launch.

00:08:21.000 They tweeted out, Ron DeSantis' Twitter disaster.

00:08:25.000 Then it was headlines from Breitbart News.

00:08:27.000 No safe spaces.

00:08:27.000 Twitter launch debacle for DeSantis.

00:08:30.000 Daily Mail.

00:08:31.000 Biggest fail in campaign launches in history.

00:08:33.000 Ron DeSantis' mock for Shambhala Twitter room presidential announcement with Elon Musk that crashes five times and leaves users bamboozled.

00:08:40.000 Just the News.

00:08:40.000 DeSantis' announcement met with major tech issues.

00:08:42.000 Trump reacts with meme.

00:08:44.000 The Washington Post.

00:08:46.000 Twitter repeatedly crashes as DeSantis tries to make presidential announcement.

00:08:49.000 CNN!

00:08:50.000 Glitches, echoes, and melting the servers crash DeSantis' campaign launch on Twitter.

00:08:54.000 The New York Times, DeSantis' big moment goes awry with the Twitter meltdown.

00:08:56.000 So Trump did have one more response.

00:08:59.000 He put out a truth social, a fake Twitter spaces, including an AI voice of Elon Musk and an AI voice of Ron DeSantis.

00:09:06.000 And then also his Twitter space, his imagined Twitter space for Ron DeSantis' launch includes, I kid you not, Elon Musk, Ron DeSantis, George Soros, Klaus Schwab, Dick Cheney, Adolf Hitler, the Devil, and the FBI.

00:09:20.000 This is, I guess, Trump's idea of a funny response to the Twitter space campaign launch, is that DeSantis' backers include Soros, Adolf Hitler, Satan, and the FBI.

00:09:34.000 Which, um, ooh, boomer meme energy coming in strong here.

00:09:41.000 Can you hear me?

00:09:42.000 We can all hear you, George.

00:09:43.000 Can you just hold on for a second?

00:09:44.000 KILFA! 0.86

00:09:45.000 I don't think they can hear me.

00:09:46.000 I can hear you fine, George.

00:09:48.000 Just speak to the microphone.

00:09:48.000 I don't think George knows how to use Twitter.

00:09:51.000 Hello!

00:09:51.000 Uh, can you hear me now?

00:09:53.000 Can I please make my big announcement now?

00:09:55.000 Everyone just- Hello! 0.96

00:09:57.000 Just shut up, George! 0.99

00:09:58.000 Can somebody just mute George? 1.00

00:09:59.000 Dick, could you try not to cough on the phone?

00:10:05.000 Okay, so how are we going to take out Trump, you guys? 0.78

00:10:09.000 Guys from the FBI, this is not a private call.

00:10:12.000 This is a public Twitter space.

00:10:13.000 Everyone can listen in.

00:10:15.000 Anyway, guys, we invited everyone to this Twitter space, so Governor Ron DeSantis could...

00:10:22.000 Everyone just shut the hell up so I can make my announcement, okay?

00:10:25.000 You go, girl. 1.00

00:10:26.000 Wait, the devil is gay? 1.00

00:10:28.000 So what? 1.00

00:10:28.000 Everyone in this call is gay. 1.00

00:10:30.000 Yeah, this is what Trump put out. 0.99

00:10:38.000 So, um, them's your choices for the Republican primary, I guess.

00:10:42.000 I guess.

00:10:43.000 Sort of.

00:10:44.000 Okay, so that is Trump's response.

00:10:47.000 And of course, the media pick up on this also, as you can imagine, right?

00:10:51.000 All those headlines are from mainstream media outlets, the vast majority of them.

00:10:54.000 And meanwhile, you have, you know, overt fans of Trump like David Jolly on MSNBC declaring this just a full-scale disaster, total disaster.

00:11:01.000 This is the biggest day in the political life of Ron and Casey DeSantis, and it has become absolutely humiliating, rawly embarrassing, emasculating, mortifying.

00:11:14.000 Who's your word?

00:11:15.000 This has been a disaster for Ron and Casey DeSantis, because even the decision to do this on Twitter spaces leans into the weirdness of Ron DeSantis.

00:11:25.000 And it also suggests his greatest vulnerability is this idea that he's governor safe space, that he can only be approached and he can only get in front of people if it's been orchestrated and he's in a bubble.

00:11:36.000 So he does it on Twitter spaces.

00:11:37.000 And then we get to the real dangerous part, the ideology he associates tonight.

00:11:41.000 With someone who has a platform for regressive ideology, Elon Musk, and it brings to the forefront these themes that are the Christian white nationalist themes that bring up his culture war and his marginalizing of already marginalized communities in the state of Florida.

00:11:56.000 So David Jolly, a former congressperson, now an SMSC, it's a disaster.

00:12:00.000 And Joy Reid, I mean, Joy Reid is so happy.

00:12:02.000 If you can't see the clip, Joy Reid looks like she needs to smoke a cigarette after all of that. 1.00

00:12:06.000 And there's a reason that MSNBC is happy.

00:12:08.000 And listen, is that good for DeSantis?

00:12:10.000 Of course it's not good for DeSantis.

00:12:11.000 It's not good for DeSantis because, again, one of DeSantis' basic pitches is, I'm extremely competent.

00:12:16.000 I'm good at what I do.

00:12:17.000 All you're gonna get from me is like the meat and the potatoes of politics.

00:12:19.000 You're gonna get good policy, and it's not gonna be a shambolic bleep show.

00:12:23.000 And then, of course, you get what you got on Twitter spaces.

00:12:26.000 So that's a bad look.

00:12:27.000 That's a bad look.

00:12:28.000 Now, Does this mean the campaign is over?

00:12:31.000 So many members of the media are like, the campaign is now over. 0.58

00:12:33.000 Guys, will you calm your asses down for like half a second?

00:12:37.000 The campaign ain't even 24 hours old at this point. 0.85

00:12:41.000 The campaign has barely begun.

00:12:42.000 And in fact, there are polls out that are showing that basically Trump and DeSantis in the primaries, in many of these states are head and head.

00:12:50.000 When it comes to a head-to-head matchup between Trump and DeSantis without any of these other candidates in the race, the latest Marquette poll shows Trump and DeSantis pretty close to even, like Trump at 52, DeSantis at 48.

00:13:01.000 There are other polls showing him way ahead because you include the other candidates, and they start picking away at DeSantis' support.

00:13:07.000 In other words, it is very, very early.

00:13:09.000 And remember, there's no such thing.

00:13:10.000 I mean, if there's one thing we know from the Trump presidency, there is no such thing as a 72-hour news cycle.

00:13:15.000 There's only a 48-hour news cycle.

00:13:17.000 So if you are suggesting that the shambolic nature of the Twitter Space's launch is somehow going to cripple DeSantis' campaign for the long haul, I have a tough time believing you.

00:13:27.000 That does not mean that it was a good launch.

00:13:28.000 It was not a good launch.

00:13:29.000 It was a very, very bad launch.

00:13:32.000 And it was a bad launch because, again, it undermines the reality of DeSantis' campaign, which is He's an excellent governor.

00:13:38.000 He's very good at what he does.

00:13:39.000 He's going to hit all his marks.

00:13:41.000 And then when your launch is, you don't hit the marks.

00:13:43.000 And when you're running against the greatest showman in presidential political history, a person who literally made his name on being a showman, that is not what you are looking for.

00:13:52.000 So DeSantis, for his part, tried to respond to this.

00:13:56.000 By saying that basically this is a victory.

00:13:58.000 The reason it's a victory is not because Twitter Space has crashed.

00:14:00.000 The reason it's a victory is because, I mean, Donald Trump had to stack, like, a room with his supporters in Mar-a-Lago in order to do a launch, and it was pretty disappointing, as you will recall.

00:14:09.000 At least DeSantis can claim that he had 700,000 people, minimum, who were ready to watch simultaneously him announce this actual thing.

00:14:16.000 Here was Governor Ron DeSantis announcing that they broke the internet.

00:14:19.000 We had a huge audience.

00:14:21.000 It did.

00:14:21.000 It was the biggest they'd ever had.

00:14:23.000 It did break the Twitter space.

00:14:25.000 And so we're really excited with the enthusiasm.

00:14:28.000 But ultimately, it's about the future of our country.

00:14:31.000 Trey, I'm running to lead a great American comeback.

00:14:34.000 We know the country's on the wrong track.

00:14:37.000 We see it with our eyes.

00:14:38.000 We feel it in our bones.

00:14:40.000 We see the border being overrun.

00:14:41.000 We see crime infesting the cities.

00:14:44.000 We see the federal government making it more difficult for families to make ends meet.

00:14:48.000 And we have a president Who is a listless vessel, not energetic, and not dealing with the key challenges that are facing our country.

00:14:56.000 But it does not have to be this way.

00:14:58.000 Our decline as a country is not inevitable.

00:15:00.000 It is a choice.

00:15:02.000 And I think we can choose a better pathway.

00:15:05.000 Okay, so, Team Stance's response, again, you gotta spin this somehow in the way they're spinning it, and it's not false, but it obviously doesn't overcome the sort of glitchy failure of Twitter spaces, is, there were so many people who wanted to see me that obviously there's a crowd.

00:15:17.000 And, again, that is not incorrect.

00:15:18.000 They did, in fact, break the internet, although, obviously, they would be better off if the internet had not been broken.

00:15:24.000 And so in just one second, we'll see exactly what DeSantis said, because again, so much of this is about the optics and optics matter.

00:15:31.000 But you know what else matters is kind of what DeSantis would do as president of the United States.

00:15:36.000 We'll get to that momentarily.

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00:16:41.000 Okay, so let me get to the actual content.

00:16:45.000 Okay, so I'm not sure there's ever been a campaign launch in which the optics contrast so strongly with the content.

00:16:52.000 The optics of this were a mess, obviously.

00:16:55.000 It launches on a failing Twitter space, It's got, you know, one of the most iconoclastic people on planet Earth, Elon Musk, hosting the thing.

00:17:04.000 And then you get to the content.

00:17:05.000 And DeSantis is a bread and butter, meat and potatoes, conservative politician who's able to get things done.

00:17:12.000 And that's really what his launch was about.

00:17:15.000 Now, you know, you can say there's no such thing as bad publicity, but again, the contrast here is not particularly great for DeSantis, but if you get to the substance, the substance is really, really good, as always, because DeSantis is really good at this.

00:17:26.000 That's the thing.

00:17:27.000 If you had to pick between, forget about, you know, all of the media battles for a second, forget about whose style you prefer, right?

00:17:33.000 Ron DeSantis, who's very, very direct and linear in his style, or Trump, who, you know, comes swinging out of the trees on a vine, punching people.

00:17:39.000 Right, like, forget about the style for a second and focus in on who gets things done.

00:17:44.000 Who won the last election in Florida by 20 points?

00:17:46.000 Who's taken a state that was really, really purple and turned it bright red?

00:17:49.000 Who has implemented conservative policies across the board in the state of Florida?

00:17:53.000 And the answer is, obviously, DeSantis when it comes to policy.

00:17:57.000 And so when it came to the substance, when he actually sat with Musk and with David Sachs and they took questions from a variety of different people in the chat, This is like what DeSantis is good at.

00:18:06.000 He's actually good at the business of governing.

00:18:08.000 So here's what it sounded like when DeSantis announced his run.

00:18:12.000 I understand that you may have an announcement to make.

00:18:15.000 We've got, I think, a record audience assembled here.

00:18:19.000 You know, probably the biggest room that's probably ever been assembled online.

00:18:25.000 What would you like to tell them?

00:18:28.000 Well, I am running for president of the United States to lead our great American combat.

00:18:36.000 Okay, and then he launched into his actual political speech.

00:18:39.000 The first six, seven minutes of this call were taken up by DeSantis explaining exactly what he was going to do.

00:18:45.000 He started with a description of our challenges under Joe Biden.

00:18:50.000 Look, we know our country's going in the wrong direction.

00:18:53.000 We see it with our eyes.

00:18:54.000 And we feel it in our bones.

00:18:56.000 Our southern borders collapse.

00:18:58.000 Drugs are pouring into the country.

00:19:00.000 Our cities are being hollowed out by spiking crime.

00:19:03.000 The federal government's making it harder for the average family to make ends meet and to attain and maintain a middle-class lifestyle.

00:19:10.000 And our president, well, he lacks vigor, flounders in the face of our nation's challenges, and he takes his cues from the woke mob.

00:19:19.000 Now, obviously, all of that is true.

00:19:21.000 And then he suggested that basically what he was looking to do is restore sanity to the nation, which, by the way, is a good campaign.

00:19:27.000 OK, the best campaign, the best version of the Republican campaign here is not wild, crazy mud fight.

00:19:32.000 The best version of the Republican campaign is Joe Biden is a very bad president who's not up to the job.

00:19:36.000 He's wrecked the economy.

00:19:37.000 He's wrecked our foreign policy.

00:19:38.000 He's wrecked our border.

00:19:39.000 He's wrecked us socially.

00:19:40.000 You know what would be awesome?

00:19:41.000 Normality.

00:19:42.000 Here's DeSantis making that case.

00:19:45.000 We must restore sanity to our nation.

00:19:48.000 This means embracing fiscal and economic sanity.

00:19:51.000 Stop pricing hardworking Americans out of a good standard of living through inflationary borrow, print and spending policies.

00:19:57.000 And please embrace American energy independence.

00:20:01.000 This also means replacing the woke mind virus with reality, facts and enduring principles.

00:20:07.000 Merit must trump identity politics.

00:20:11.000 We must return normalcy to our communities.

00:20:14.000 America is a sovereign country.

00:20:16.000 Our borders must be respected.

00:20:18.000 We cannot have foreigners pouring into our country illegally by the millions. 1.00

00:20:22.000 We cannot allow drug cartels to poison our population with fentanyl.

00:20:27.000 Public deserves safe communities and law and order must be maintained in American cities.

00:20:35.000 Okay, again, all that is bread and butter kind of stuff that I think 80% of Americans agree with.

00:20:40.000 That's the kind of stuff that you're going to get from DeSantis.

00:20:42.000 And again, that's why the Twitter Space's launch was a negative for him, although the numbers, again, were very, very large.

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00:21:52.000 Okay, so, DeSantis continued his actual announcement once he got past all of the headlines about the glitchiness.

00:21:57.000 He got to his actual—his actual announcement was quite good.

00:22:00.000 Here he was talking about defending law enforcement and restoring honor to the military.

00:22:05.000 We can't have inmates running the asylum, and we must reject attacks on the men and women of law enforcement.

00:22:12.000 We also must reestablish integrity in our institutions.

00:22:16.000 This includes the military.

00:22:18.000 I'm proud to be a Navy veteran, an Iraq veteran, and I revere our services, but when revered institutions like those in our military are more concerned with matters not central to the mission, whether it's global warming or gender ideology and pronouns, Morale declines and recruiting suffers.

00:22:35.000 And you need to eliminate these distractions and we need to get focused on the core mission.

00:22:42.000 Okay.

00:22:42.000 All of that happens to be correct.

00:22:44.000 And then he ripped into unelected bureaucrats.

00:22:45.000 He went through sort of the rest of his campaign spiel.

00:22:48.000 But the part that really mattered, there are two things he said in this that really matter.

00:22:51.000 And these are going to be the contrasts going into 2024.

00:22:54.000 He says, listen, politics is not entertainment.

00:22:56.000 Governing is not entertainment.

00:22:58.000 We get results here.

00:22:59.000 This is going to be the actual pitch for Ron DeSantis, is you want the glitz, you want the glamour, you want the distractions, you want the crazy entertainment of it, I'm probably not your guy.

00:23:09.000 If you want somebody who's actually going to govern strongly, who's going to get done what you need to get done, if you'd like to win in policy terms, well then I am your guy and I have the receipts to prove it because I'm running a state that has gained hundreds of thousands of citizens since 2020 thanks to conservative governance.

00:23:24.000 Here he was talking about how governing is not entertainment.

00:23:26.000 Obviously he's subtweeting Trump here.

00:23:29.000 But we also understand governing is not entertainment.

00:23:32.000 It's not about building a brand or virtue signaling.

00:23:35.000 It is about delivering results.

00:23:37.000 And our results in Florida have been second to none.

00:23:41.000 We can and we must deliver big results for America.

00:23:47.000 You know, DeSantis talked about COVID, he talked about how he did not allow vax mandates in the state, which is true, and how freedom was threatened by COVID-19 authoritarianism.

00:23:54.000 These are all going to be points of comparison with Donald Trump.

00:23:57.000 The rest of this campaign is going to be about Ron DeSantis calling out Donald Trump on making Anthony Fauci a world-famous figure, and then allowing him to essentially run his policy in fragmentary fashion, while simultaneously suggesting that Operation Warp Speed is the greatest thing to ever happen in the history of humanity.

00:24:13.000 And saying that Georgia should lock down and then saying Georgia should not lock down, Michigan should be free.

00:24:18.000 It was all very right.

00:24:19.000 DeSantis was very consistent in his policy.

00:24:21.000 He was always looking at data.

00:24:22.000 So that's going to be one point of differentiation.

00:24:24.000 Another point of differentiation, he's going to say, listen, you want to talk law and order?

00:24:27.000 I literally paid a stipend to cops to come to the state of Florida, 10 grand a piece during the Black Lives Matter riots. 0.80

00:24:33.000 You were tweeting out.

00:24:34.000 Your campaign was literally tweeting out in support of George Floyd protesters.

00:24:37.000 That is a thing that did happen in the middle of summer 2020.

00:24:39.000 Donald Trump did not deploy the National Guard.

00:24:42.000 You talk about building a wall.

00:24:43.000 You didn't complete the wall.

00:24:45.000 You're the president.

00:24:46.000 You had a Republican Congress.

00:24:47.000 You didn't get the wall done, right?

00:24:48.000 These are all going to be points that DeSantis is going to be able to make.

00:24:51.000 And Trump doesn't have a great rebuttal to a lot of that sort of stuff.

00:24:54.000 Trump's rebuttal is probably going to be calling him Rob.

00:24:56.000 It's probably going to be suggesting that he has no personnel.

00:24:58.000 It's all going to be personal stuff.

00:24:59.000 So that's going to be the choice, I think.

00:25:00.000 In this Republican primary, if you think it's really a two-person primary, which I do, it's gonna be, you know, you love the personality of Trump, you think he is wild, then he's eccentric, and that's the only way things get done.

00:25:10.000 Okay, I hear.

00:25:12.000 I don't think that it's fully justified by his administration.

00:25:15.000 And I don't think it's justified by the election of 2020, 2021, or 2020, but I hear, I get the argument and I understand why people love it.

00:25:22.000 And then the other side of the argument is going to be DeSantis saying, listen, you can speculate on Trump or you can earn a very nice, consistent rate of return by investing in my candidacy.

00:25:32.000 And that was essentially his pitch.

00:25:33.000 He said, listen, there's no substitute for victory.

00:25:35.000 Whining is not a substitute for victory.

00:25:37.000 Complaining about losing is not a substitute for victory.

00:25:39.000 Pretending you won when you're not the president is not a substitute for victory.

00:25:41.000 Here was DeSantis.

00:25:44.000 There is no substitute for victory.

00:25:46.000 We must end the culture of losing that has infected the Republican Party in recent years.

00:25:52.000 The tired dogmas of the past are inadequate for a vibrant future.

00:25:55.000 We must look forward, not backwards.

00:25:59.000 We need the courage to lead, and we must have the strength to win.

00:26:03.000 And to voters who are participating in this primary process, my pledge to you is this.

00:26:09.000 If you nominate me, You can set your clock to January 20th, 2025 at high noon.

00:26:15.000 Because on the west side of the U.S.

00:26:17.000 Capitol, I will be taking the oath of office as the 47th President of the United States.

00:26:23.000 No excuses.

00:26:24.000 I will get the job done.

00:26:27.000 Hey, that's the big pledge, right?

00:26:28.000 If you nominate me, I will take office, because I will win.

00:26:32.000 And here's the thing.

00:26:34.000 DeSantis can answer the question that Trump cannot.

00:26:37.000 So, Trump has one question that he cannot answer, and I've been asking everyone around him, and I don't... Trump still has not given an answer.

00:26:43.000 None of his supporters have given an answer.

00:26:45.000 Let's assume that Trump is right and that the election of 2020 was stolen from him.

00:26:48.000 Like, full-on stolen.

00:26:49.000 And I don't mean, like, soft-rigged.

00:26:51.000 I mean, not in the way that I agree with.

00:26:54.000 Not in the way that, like, Facebook was suppressing content that was beneficial to Trump and harmful to Biden.

00:26:59.000 Or, like, the rules changed in the last few months of the campaign because of COVID and allowed for a massive increase in mail-in ballots that obviously benefited Democrats.

00:27:06.000 I agree with all of that.

00:27:07.000 In a soft sense, the election of 2020 was rigged, but Trump talks about it in the hard sense.

00:27:11.000 He thinks that it was like actual voter fraud, fake ballots that were being bused into Fulton County in the middle of the night and then tabulated.

00:27:18.000 That's the thing that Trump has actually claimed in Arizona, in Georgia.

00:27:21.000 He hasn't really mentioned it so much in Wisconsin and Michigan, which is weird, because even if he'd won Arizona and Georgia, if he loses Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, he's still not the president.

00:27:28.000 But put all that aside, let's assume that what Trump says is absolutely correct, that it was full-on stolen from him in 2020.

00:27:34.000 The question I've asked, and that no one has answered so far, because it's a relevant question, is how do you plan to reverse this?

00:27:41.000 Truly, how do you plan to reverse this?

00:27:42.000 What is your actual plan for becoming president of the United States?

00:27:45.000 Your case is that the system was so out to get you that hundreds of thousands of ballots were literally changed in order to prevent you from becoming the president.

00:27:53.000 Going on Truth Social and mouthing off about it is not going to change that result.

00:27:56.000 So what exactly is your plan to change that result?

00:28:00.000 Now, the thing about DeSantis is that he actually does have a plan.

00:28:03.000 Okay, DeSantis is in the state of Florida, for example, and this has been true since the 2018 gubernatorial race.

00:28:09.000 DeSantis is extremely meticulous about how he runs a campaign.

00:28:13.000 It is not thinly staffed.

00:28:15.000 He is not going to rely on the vicissitudes of the media in order to buoy his campaign.

00:28:21.000 He will actually get people out on the ground knocking on doors.

00:28:24.000 He's going to make sure that there are people who are harvesting ballots in the states where ballot harvesting is legal.

00:28:30.000 He's going to make sure that he competes on every front, as opposed to Trump, who in 2020, late 2020, early 2021, told the voters of Georgia not to vote in the Georgia Senate race because he was so mad about how Georgia went that he basically handed two seats in the United States Senate to the Democrats, leading to the greatest unprecedented spending binge in American history.

00:28:50.000 That doesn't happen if Trump doesn't tell people to stay home in Georgia.

00:28:53.000 Unlike that, DeSantis looked at the state of Florida.

00:28:55.000 He's like, okay, well, you know, they're doing ballot harvesting.

00:28:57.000 They're organizing in a particular way.

00:28:59.000 What if we just out-organize them?

00:29:00.000 What if we just out-do it?

00:29:01.000 And then he won by 20 points.

00:29:02.000 That's the way you actually win.

00:29:04.000 By the way, you know who else knows this is Brian Kemp.

00:29:06.000 Won a sweeping victory in Georgia at the same time that Trump was losing Georgia and two Georgia senators were losing their seats because people didn't show up to vote in the runoff.

00:29:16.000 So, that's the actual plan.

00:29:18.000 If you believe, if you're a believer that elections get stolen, the only way to defeat that is to actually mobilize on the ground and change how you do the elections.

00:29:26.000 Not to bitch about it on Truth Social.

00:29:29.000 So DeSantis can actually make that case because that's actually what he has done in the state of Florida.

00:29:35.000 That's going to be the final line of attack I think that DeSantis is probably going to use against Trump.

00:29:39.000 Now, again, Trump's line of attacks are pretty clear at this point.

00:29:41.000 He's going to call him Rob.

00:29:42.000 He's going to suggest that he's Meatball Ron.

00:29:44.000 He's going to do this sort of stuff.

00:29:45.000 And maybe you're thrilled with that.

00:29:46.000 Okay.

00:29:47.000 Maybe you find it entertaining.

00:29:48.000 Okay.

00:29:49.000 The question is, who do you think is most likely to beat Biden?

00:29:52.000 So, when I say that DeSantis is actually pretty good at the game of politicking, let me point out that despite the Twitter Space's debacle, and it was a debacle, the launch, the glitch failure was a debacle, that despite that, in the first hour after that, in the first hour after that, the DeSantis campaign raised $1 million.

00:30:13.000 To put that in perspective, When Donald Trump declared that the DA in Manhattan was about to prosecute him, it took him three days to raise $1.5 million.

00:30:23.000 In the first hour, DeSantis raised $1 million.

00:30:25.000 DeSantis currently has $200 million in the bank.

00:30:29.000 The New York Times has a full article talking about how DeSantis is preparing an outreach push so big That they plan to knock on the door of every possible DeSantis voter at least four times in New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina, and five times in the kickoff Iowa caucuses.

00:30:46.000 The effort is part of an on-the-ground organizing operation that intends to hire more than 2,600 field organizers by Labor Day, an extraordinary number of people for even the best-funded campaigns.

00:30:54.000 Top officials with the pro-DeSantis group, a super PAC called Never Back Down, provided their most detailed account yet of their battle plan to aid DeSantis, who may believe they can sell as the only candidate to take on and win the cultural fights that are definitional for the Republican Party in 2024.

00:31:06.000 The group said it expected to have an overall budget of at least $200 million, including more than $80 million to be transferred from an old DeSantis state political account for the daunting task of vaulting the Florida governor past former President Donald J. Trump.

00:31:18.000 Okay, so.

00:31:20.000 That's how you win elections, by the way.

00:31:22.000 Right?

00:31:23.000 It is not.

00:31:23.000 I understand.

00:31:24.000 We here on the show, we talk about 30,000 foot politics, right?

00:31:26.000 What's in the headlines, what people are saying today.

00:31:28.000 But the truth is the vast majority of the American public does not register politics on that granular level.

00:31:33.000 They just don't.

00:31:34.000 That's why the voter turnout rates in this country are like 65%.

00:31:36.000 The way that people actually consume politics is they have a generalized feeling.

00:31:40.000 What does that mean?

00:31:41.000 It means that voter turnout matters.

00:31:42.000 It means hard on the ground work matters.

00:31:44.000 It means that staffing up your campaign matters.

00:31:46.000 So, you get to choose.

00:31:48.000 Which candidate do you think is most likely to beat Joe Biden?

00:31:52.000 And the reality is that if you look past the style of the Twitter launch and to the substance of what he was actually saying, if you look past the style, to the substance of what DeSantis has achieved as the governor of Florida, if you look past the style of Trump on Truth Social blasting out weird videos of fake A.I.

00:32:07.000 voices, of Elon Musk and Adolf Hitler and Satan talking with Ron DeSantis, and you look to, you know, spending money on the ground, getting people to knock on doors, that is actually how you win elections.

00:32:15.000 Now, that doesn't mean that DeSantis is going to beat Trump in the primaries.

00:32:18.000 Trump obviously has the upper hand.

00:32:19.000 He's the most famous person in America.

00:32:20.000 Republicans generally love the guy.

00:32:22.000 Understandably, he was a great president for the first three years.

00:32:25.000 I think the last year was a real problem for him, obviously, which is why he's not the president anymore.

00:32:29.000 And he had a real problem with being unable to activate the filter between his brain and his mouth, which is why he's not president anymore.

00:32:34.000 I said all the time during the Trump administration that if you could just take Twitter away from Donald Trump, he would never have stopped being president.

00:32:40.000 He would have continued to be president.

00:32:41.000 He'd be president right now.

00:32:43.000 With all that said, Republican primary voters, anybody who suggests that last night was the end of the campaign, no, no, no, no.

00:32:49.000 Last night was just the beginning of the campaign, no matter how badly things went on Twitter spaces.

00:32:54.000 Okay, in just one second, we'll get to something that's going very badly for Joe Biden, and that, of course, is the debt ceiling fight first.

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00:34:26.000 New episodes Okay, meanwhile, Joe Biden is having a very rough time of it on this debt ceiling fight.

00:34:37.000 Again, he is trapped between a rock and a hard place because on the one hand, he doesn't want the debt ceiling to be hit.

00:34:42.000 If the debt ceiling is hit, a couple of bad things happen for Joe Biden.

00:34:45.000 One, serious financial turmoil.

00:34:47.000 So a lot of people are going to wonder whether the U.S.

00:34:48.000 debt is actually good.

00:34:49.000 It's going to be a very difficult time actually raising new debt in order to pay for the old debt and all the rest of it.

00:34:54.000 So that's problem number one.

00:34:56.000 Problem number two is if we hit the debt ceiling, the truth is we'll continue to pay our debt.

00:34:59.000 That is mandatory spending.

00:35:00.000 It's the discretionary spending that is going to get cut.

00:35:03.000 That discretionary spending is what keeps Democrats afloat.

00:35:05.000 It ain't Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid.

00:35:07.000 Those things are mandatory spending.

00:35:09.000 It is going to be all the discretionary spending that is going to get cut.

00:35:11.000 It's going to be COVID spending.

00:35:12.000 It's going to be infrastructure bill, Green New Deal garbage that is going to get cut.

00:35:16.000 And Biden's going to have to go back to his base and explain why all that stuff is being cut if we hit the debt ceiling.

00:35:21.000 So these are two serious problems for Joe Biden.

00:35:23.000 And then he's created for himself a third problem, which is that he took the very strong position of, I'm not going to negotiate under any bag of salmon.

00:35:30.000 And then he has to negotiate because it turns out that he does not run the Congress and there is a co-equal branch of government called the legislature that sometimes you have to negotiate with.

00:35:38.000 So, he can always rely on the media to do his dirty work for him.

00:35:40.000 The Washington Post says, This is precisely the opposite of what is actually happening.

00:35:48.000 The actual thing that is happening is that the Republicans passed a bill raising the debt ceiling and saying, And Joe Biden has summarily dismissed all of that and then claimed that he is negotiating.

00:35:59.000 This is false.

00:36:01.000 The Washington Post says, quote, ahead of another round of negotiations

00:36:04.000 with the White House, McCarthy told Republicans they had the upper hand in the discussions

00:36:08.000 and encouraged his members to show their support for colleagues facing tough reelect bids next year

00:36:11.000 as a sign of unity.

00:36:12.000 McCarthy urged members to make sure vulnerable lawmakers would have plenty of campaign money from GOP coffers.

00:36:17.000 The overture reflects the GOP's determination to stay unified behind spending cuts,

00:36:21.000 even as the nation heads toward the brink of default, despite a rapidly approaching deadline,

00:36:24.000 a White House suddenly eager to compromise and a Democratic-led effort to push a petition

00:36:28.000 that could force a vote on raising the debt ceiling over McCarthy's objections.

00:36:32.000 So first of all, no.

00:36:33.000 That petition is not going to succeed.

00:36:34.000 You have to have a majority of votes in order to get that petition to succeed.

00:36:37.000 Number two, the White House is not suddenly eager to compromise.

00:36:40.000 If they were, they would just sign off on the bill.

00:36:42.000 And in fact, the same Washington Post is noting that Democrats are very nervous over this whole battle.

00:36:46.000 battle, quote, Democrats worry grows over White House approach to that talks.

00:36:51.000 House Democratic leaders are voicing frustration over President Biden's approach to negotiating a debt

00:36:55.000 ceiling deal with Republicans, worrying that their priorities are

00:36:57.000 not being championed aggressively enough,

00:36:59.000 and that Biden hasn't more forcefully pushed back publicly against Republican demands.

00:37:02.000 So you have the left wing of the Democratic Party, and they're very, very angry at Joe Biden

00:37:06.000 for not holding the line.

00:37:09.000 Hakeem Jeffries has acknowledged that Representative Sheila Jackson Lee's team pushing the Democrats to not compromise

00:37:18.000 are really pushing him.

00:37:20.000 Jeffries has not yet raised the question with the president, according to a person familiar with the situation who, like others who spoke to the Washington Post, did so on condition of anonymity.

00:37:28.000 Jeffrey said, Well, he can say whatever he wants, but the reality is that if we hit the debt ceiling here after Republicans have appeared as the moderates who actually want to compromise, Joe Biden is going to feel the full brunt of the American public.

00:37:45.000 Right now, it is a dead even split in the polling on who gets blamed if the debt ceiling gets breached.

00:37:50.000 But let's be real about this.

00:37:51.000 If the economy itself sinks, it ain't gonna be congressional Republicans who pay that price.

00:37:54.000 It's gonna be the president of the United States.

00:37:57.000 Janet Yellen, for her part, is trying to bring the pressure. 0.97

00:37:59.000 She says that the U.S.

00:38:01.000 could become unable to meet all of its financial obligations as soon as June 1st.

00:38:04.000 This, by the way, is not fully true.

00:38:05.000 As I say, we'll continue to pay our debt.

00:38:07.000 We'll just have to cut discretionary spending.

00:38:10.000 I will plan to update Congress shortly and try to increase the level of precision.

00:38:18.000 You know, there's a lot of uncertainty about government payments and receipts even a few weeks out, and it's hard to be precise about exactly which day we will run out of resources.

00:38:35.000 But early June seems almost certain that we will not be able to get past early June, and I do intend to provide an update pretty soon.

00:38:49.000 Okay, meanwhile, the Democrats are trying to cram through the idea that Kevin McCarthy and the Republicans are the ones who are extremists on all this.

00:38:55.000 The problem is that narrative already got away from them.

00:38:57.000 When the Republicans passed a bill that increased the debt ceiling, Democrats were wrong-footed and they have not adjusted in any way, shape, or form.

00:39:03.000 Here's Corinne Jean-Pierre, world's worst White House press secretary, explaining that, you know, if we default, there will be a recession.

00:39:08.000 Yeah, we know, so maybe your boss should sign something.

00:39:11.000 A default would have catastrophic impacts in every single part of this country, whether you're in a red state or in a blue state.

00:39:21.000 It doesn't matter.

00:39:22.000 Every single part of the country.

00:39:25.000 We're talking about millions of jobs lost, devastated retirement accounts, and a recession.

00:39:33.000 Okay, so who are you?

00:39:35.000 I don't understand.

00:39:36.000 Again, if the American public perceives that you guys are the ones who are not being moderate on making a compromise, you're basically talking the American public into blaming your guy.

00:39:43.000 It's very bizarre. 0.97

00:39:45.000 The irrepressibly stupid Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, the representative from Twitch and also Brooklyn, she says that McCarthy is engaging in quote-unquote extortion. 1.00

00:39:55.000 Extortion! 1.00

00:39:56.000 Here we go.

00:39:58.000 The reason why anyone is asking anyone on this stage about what we would vote for is because Kevin McCarthy needs our votes.

00:40:06.000 So if he wants any Democratic support, he has to come to the table.

00:40:12.000 And we have seen him over and over again say that he will not negotiate, that they are engaged in hostage taking, not negotiation, extortion, not conversation.

00:40:23.000 And that is not something we can establish.

00:40:25.000 It is not something we can reinforce in this country.

00:40:30.000 Um, except for McCarthy already passed the bill.

00:40:33.000 Like, they just, it's amazing.

00:40:34.000 Honestly, Joe Biden, it's the biggest political blunder that I've seen a president make just as a pure matter of political gamesmanship.

00:40:41.000 The president always has the advantage in a debt ceiling standoff because he can say, listen, we need to raise the debt ceiling.

00:40:45.000 I'm willing to make a few minor compromises, but it's imperative that we not breach the debt ceiling.

00:40:49.000 Joe Biden started off with, I'm not making any compromise.

00:40:51.000 I'm not even talking about this.

00:40:52.000 We're not going to have a conversation.

00:40:53.000 And Republicans were like, okay, we'll pass a bill that raises the debt ceiling.

00:40:56.000 Now who looks like the moderate?

00:40:59.000 The only way that the Democrats can try to buy this back in the face of their own base is presumably to try and blame McCarthy, but it's just not working.

00:41:07.000 Pramila Jayapal, the progressive leader from Washington, she says that raising the debt ceiling is a sacred principle.

00:41:12.000 Amazing what the Democrats consider sacred, right?

00:41:15.000 Abortion, same-sex marriage, transing of the children, and raising the debt ceiling. 0.96

00:41:18.000 These are sacred items to Democratic leadership.

00:41:22.000 Ranking member of the Budget Committee, Brendan Boyle, has a great bill on this to take care of the debt ceiling, allow the Treasury Secretary to raise the debt ceiling.

00:41:30.000 Many of us are proud to be on that bill.

00:41:33.000 I think this is really important because I think there used to be this idea that the debt ceiling was sort of sacred, you know, that you, it was just paying your bills.

00:41:42.000 This had already been negotiated.

00:41:44.000 It was already agreed to.

00:41:45.000 And what we've seen is Republicans increasingly taking on those very sacred principles of Keeping the economy going, of not defaulting, of not throwing people into uncertainty and chaos.

00:41:59.000 Yeah, that's what progressives are famous for, is paying their bills and not throwing people into uncertainty and chaos.

00:42:03.000 Meanwhile, again, McCarthy is coming out of this looking pretty good at this point.

00:42:08.000 Again, it's a pretty astonishing turn of events for the Speaker of the House, who was largely derided for his near inability to gain the speakership.

00:42:14.000 This is pretty good gamesmanship here from McCarthy.

00:42:17.000 Listen to how moderate McCarthy sounds when he talks about the debt limit talks.

00:42:21.000 We need to have a deal this week in order to avoid default.

00:42:25.000 I still believe that.

00:42:26.000 I still believe we have time to make an agreement and get it done.

00:42:30.000 Are you confident about that, Mr. Speaker?

00:42:32.000 Look, I'm confident at the end of the day that if you watched anything about my life, I never give up at anything.

00:42:41.000 We will get a deal when we have one worthy of the American public.

00:42:45.000 So, again, pretty moderate.

00:42:47.000 And then McCarthy points out we've offered a lot of concessions at this point, so what exactly is the problem?

00:42:52.000 You're going to need Democratic votes, probably in the House, definitely in the Senate.

00:42:56.000 You have a Democrat in the White House.

00:42:57.000 Why not offer a single concession beyond saying we're not going to default?

00:43:02.000 We've offered a lot of concessions.

00:43:04.000 The cap on the spending is a Democrat idea.

00:43:07.000 The work requirement was a Democrat idea.

00:43:13.000 I can't help it if the Democrats have become so extreme and now it's a party of Bernie Sanders than the party where Joe Biden was elected.

00:43:21.000 Joe Biden is the President of the United States.

00:43:24.000 He is the head Democrat.

00:43:26.000 But if AOC and Bernie Sanders is going to run their party, that's not my fault.

00:43:32.000 He is right, and it makes Joe Biden look very bad.

00:43:35.000 And so if the debt ceiling gets breached, Joe Biden is going to pay the price for that.

00:43:38.000 Again, very, very bad strategy here by the President of the United States.

00:43:46.000 Okay, meanwhile, we are quickly reaching the point, thank God, in corporate America,

00:43:50.000 where corporate paymasters, they're starting to realize that the only winning move is not to play a la war games.

00:43:57.000 That you can't mess around, because if you do, you're gonna find out.

00:44:00.000 Bud Light found that out when they got absolutely trashed.

00:44:03.000 I've never seen a brand get trashed harder than Bud Light has now been trashed.

00:44:06.000 They literally cannot give away beer.

00:44:07.000 You're seeing pictures from like Walmart of just free stacks of Bud Light

00:44:11.000 and nobody picking them up.

00:44:13.000 Because nobody wants to, what dude is interested in purchasing

00:44:17.000 or even drinking the beer that is associated with a brand that believes that men are women

00:44:22.000 Like it's just not a thing that a lot of dudes are going to do.

00:44:25.000 Well now, Target has really stepped in it and they've got a real problem on their hands.

00:44:30.000 So remember, it wasn't just that Target was pushing the Pride Month stuff.

00:44:34.000 They've been doing that for years.

00:44:36.000 And it was annoying and people kind of ignored it.

00:44:38.000 Then they started pushing not just Pride Month but like giant Pride displays everywhere because during the month of June we get the Holy Month of Pride and during the Holy Month of Pride everything is covered in rainbow vomit. 0.96

00:44:48.000 It's important that every single product be covered in rainbow vomit. 1.00

00:44:51.000 Every single one.

00:44:52.000 And not just that, now also in Pride Progress.

00:44:55.000 Vomit. 0.99

00:44:55.000 So trans vomit. 0.99

00:44:56.000 So you have to have some you have to have some bathing suits in which boys can tuck their twig and berries underneath themselves. 0.99

00:45:02.000 They can look more like girls. 0.98

00:45:04.000 You have to make sure that you have baby onesies talking about bisexuality over at Target. 0.57

00:45:08.000 And people don't like this very much.

00:45:10.000 They also didn't like that Target had started retailing in partnership with a UK based brand called ABAPralen to sell merchandise And a search on Target's website found some of the items.

00:45:23.000 Those items were designed by a person named Eric Carnell, an outspoken Satanist, whose brand features occult imagery and messages like, Satan respects pronouns on brand apparel.

00:45:33.000 Which is just delightful.

00:45:34.000 Abprallen also sells merch with aggressive messaging attacking critics, pins with the phrases, heteronormity is a plague, and burn down the system are featured on the website, along with one that says, homophobe headrest with an image of a guillotine.

00:45:46.000 So, um, I mean, no argument.

00:45:46.000 No argument from me.

00:45:47.000 They think that that's not literal.

00:45:48.000 I think it's a little literal.

00:45:49.000 I'm not a believer in the Christian version of Satan.

00:45:52.000 LGBTQ plus minus divided by sign people. 0.99

00:45:54.000 So, um, I mean, no argument.

00:45:58.000 No argument for me.

00:46:00.000 They think that that's not literal.

00:46:02.000 I think it's a little literal.

00:46:04.000 I'm not a believer in the Christian version of Satan.

00:46:06.000 Like Satan is almost a Gnostic. 0.96

00:46:08.000 But anyway, I'm out.

00:46:10.000 Gnostic opponent of God, you know, the fallen angel who now opposes God's King Shepard. 0.74

00:46:15.000 That's not a Jewish concept of Satan.

00:46:16.000 But the idea that the Yetzir Hara, right, the evil inclination is very into pride, passion, 1.00

00:46:21.000 liberty and sexual license. 0.95

00:46:23.000 Yeah, I mean, yes.

00:46:27.000 So Target just got they're getting ripped up by a lot of their customer base.

00:46:31.000 And so now they've decided they're going to try to walk off it.

00:46:33.000 The problem is once you engage, you cannot disengage.

00:46:36.000 The Pride Progress team will not allow you to disengage.

00:46:38.000 You will be forced to re-engage.

00:46:40.000 And so now you're forced to play this two-step.

00:46:41.000 You got to take one side or another.

00:46:43.000 You need to be neutral and just provide products to people to buy them.

00:46:46.000 Or you can take a clear demarcation line on issues of the day.

00:46:50.000 Now what's amazing about this Is that you have people like Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, who has done an absolutely horrific job in the state of California to the extent that 500,000 people left the state of California net between 2020 and 2022.

00:47:06.000 And Gavin Newsom is out there tweeting about Target and suggesting this is just so terrible.

00:47:10.000 We can't allow this sort of thing ever, ever again.

00:47:13.000 And in fact, Gavin Newsom then started to do the The old holocaust poem, right?

00:47:18.000 First they came for the, and then they came for the, by the time they came for the Jews, there was no one left to defend me. 0.97

00:47:22.000 Okay, so Gavin Newsom tweeted, CEO of Target, Brian Cornell, selling out the LGBTQ plus community to extremists is a real profile in courage. 0.62

00:47:31.000 Well, why is he saying that?

00:47:32.000 Well, because Target decided to move some of their pride progress nonsense to the back of the store in states where it ain't that popular.

00:47:37.000 He said, this isn't just a couple of stores in the South.

00:47:39.000 There's a systemic attack on the gay community happening across the country.

00:47:43.000 Yes.

00:47:44.000 Gays across the country are under systemic threat in a country where gay marriage is not only legal, but now they are attempting to force your children to learn about it in kindergarten. 1.00

00:47:51.000 Wake up, America, says Gavin Newsom.

00:47:53.000 This doesn't stop here. 1.00

00:47:54.000 You're black. 1.00

00:47:54.000 You're Asian. 1.00

00:47:55.000 You're Jewish. 0.75

00:47:55.000 You're a woman. 0.75

00:47:56.000 You're next.

00:47:57.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:47:58.000 Probably Target's going to stop selling women's clothing. 0.93

00:48:00.000 Probably now.

00:48:02.000 And also, as a Jew, I'm feeling real threatened by people who are not into the transing of the children.

00:48:07.000 Like, as an Orthodox Jew, I feel super threatened.

00:48:09.000 You'll notice that Target has been selling Hanukkah gear for literally years.

00:48:14.000 Like, every Hanukkah season, a lot of Hanukkah gear.

00:48:16.000 Has there ever been a boycott of Target on that basis?

00:48:18.000 Nope.

00:48:19.000 Ain't nobody care.

00:48:21.000 You all have noticed that Target, for Black History Month, sells all sorts of black product.

00:48:25.000 Some of that stuff is pretty divisive.

00:48:26.000 Has anyone ever boycotted Target over that?

00:48:28.000 Not really.

00:48:29.000 Has there ever been an anti-Asian move against Target?

00:48:32.000 Nope.

00:48:33.000 It is only when you start trying to trans the kids that people start to get a little uptight, for good reason. 1.00

00:48:39.000 But again, now Target is stuck between a rock and a hard place of its own making, as all corporate brands will be.

00:48:43.000 So all you corporate brand leaders out there who are preparing for Pride Month, just remember, this could be you.

00:48:50.000 If you decide to step into this minefield, and then you get blown up, ain't no sympathy for you over here.

00:48:54.000 And in fact, some of us are quite happy to make an example of you.

00:48:59.000 If you decide to become the bleeding edge of the Pride Progress team attempting to foster a societal viewpoint that damages children and wrecks traditional morality.

00:49:10.000 You've seen the two-step here from the L.A.

00:49:11.000 Dodgers, right?

00:49:12.000 The L.A.

00:49:12.000 Dodgers are the most clear example.

00:49:13.000 They decide they're gonna have a pride night.

00:49:14.000 They've been having a pride night for years.

00:49:16.000 Nobody much cared.

00:49:17.000 Like, if you didn't like it, you just didn't go to the ballpark.

00:49:18.000 And then they decided, you know, we're gonna honor the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, which is an anti-Catholic group in which gay men and gay women dress and trans people dress up as Jesus and Mary in blasphemous... in blasphemous... sort of... displays.

00:49:34.000 And then the Dodgers had to walk that back because it turns out like a huge percentage of their fan base is Hispanic Catholic.

00:49:39.000 And then the LGBTQ plus minus divided by sign community was so mad that they reinstated the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. 0.92

00:49:44.000 So here's what you guys can do.

00:49:46.000 Don't play the game. 0.98

00:49:47.000 Just sell the products and stop trying to proselytize on behalf of left-wing crap. 0.99

00:49:52.000 Not that tough. 0.99

00:49:53.000 Don't vomit rainbows everywhere during Pride Month. 0.71

00:49:55.000 Just sell pants. 0.99

00:49:56.000 I know this is real tough stuff here.

00:49:58.000 I know this is really bad.

00:49:59.000 By the way, this would make for a... You wanna know how you know I'm sincere about this?

00:50:03.000 It makes for a less lucrative America if we do this.

00:50:05.000 It makes for a less lucrative...

00:50:07.000 Daily Wiring.

00:50:08.000 We literally launched Jeremy's Razors on the back of woke brands.

00:50:11.000 We launched Jeremy's Chocolate on the back of woke brands.

00:50:13.000 If you guys want to keep polarizing this thing, we are happy to take money from people who feel scorned and upset because there are brands who hate their guts.

00:50:20.000 But you know what?

00:50:20.000 I'd prefer an America where you just go back to selling your product and stop trying to promote the idea that Rachel Levine is a moral exemplar to us all.

00:50:28.000 It's very simple.

00:50:29.000 Go back to neutral and all weapons go away. 1.00

00:50:32.000 But if you're going to play this game, play stupid games, win stupid prizes, F around and find out. 1.00

00:50:37.000 I've said it multiple times, there's a Harvard Business School study. 1.00

00:50:40.000 The Harvard Business School study shows that the left has basically been leveraging brands for the last couple of decades.

00:50:45.000 That left-wingers will use their ire against conservative corporations in order to rip on them, whether it's Chick-fil-A or whether it's Hobby Lobby.

00:50:52.000 They will go after them full-scale if they even perceive any whiff of conservatism.

00:50:56.000 Meanwhile, conservatives for literally decades have just been like, okay, it's a left-wing corporation, whatever, I'll still go there.

00:51:01.000 Not anymore.

00:51:02.000 Those days are over because you have pushed too far.

00:51:04.000 You have decided that it is imperative that you become the loudspeaker for a system of morality that disdains traditional institutions like the nuclear family, that disdains the Natural necessity of heterosexual relationships and pretends that all sexual activity is morally equivalent and equally fulfilling and entirely... And there should be moral apathy about all this stuff.

00:51:27.000 That's you.

00:51:27.000 You did it.

00:51:28.000 So now you have a choice. 0.99

00:51:29.000 You can go back to neutral and stop with this garbage, or you can continue to walk down this primrose path. 0.97

00:51:33.000 And I am more than happy to take my business elsewhere.

00:51:35.000 And more than that, we here at Dailyware, we're happy to start our own businesses that don't scorn our audience.

00:51:41.000 Target is, uh, if you think it's over for Target, it ain't over for Target, not by, uh, not by a damned long shot.

00:51:47.000 Okay, meanwhile, speaking of local news stories that became national news stories and then went back to being local news stories, this one's hilarious.

00:51:53.000 So, you'll remember that a couple of days ago, there was a man who crashed a U-Haul truck into a security barrier outside the White House.

00:52:01.000 Now, this sort of thing has happened before.

00:52:03.000 In fact, back in April of 2021, there was a police officer in Washington, D.C.

00:52:08.000 who was actually killed by a person who ran him over near the Capitol building.

00:52:12.000 We don't talk about that situation because it wasn't connected with January 6th.

00:52:15.000 You know the names of people like Brian Sicknick, who may have died as a result of January 6th, but did not die on January 6th, and it's still unclear.

00:52:24.000 You know his name.

00:52:25.000 You don't know the name of the officer who was killed in an actual quasi-terror attack by the U.S.

00:52:29.000 Capitol because the person who killed him was not actually, like, a MAGA member.

00:52:33.000 Okay, well, this is a perfect example of that sort of flip.

00:52:36.000 So, there's a man who crashed a U-Haul truck into a security barrier outside the White House.

00:52:40.000 And this was top of the news.

00:52:41.000 It was the biggest story in the country.

00:52:42.000 Why?

00:52:43.000 Because he had a Nazi flag.

00:52:45.000 He had a Nazi flag. 0.99

00:52:46.000 And he said that he was gonna kill President Biden. 0.79

00:52:49.000 And so, for a brief hot second, the media were like, ah!

00:52:51.000 Our dream scenario has emerged!

00:52:54.000 Here it is. 0.76

00:52:54.000 A white supremacist, MAGA-hatted, Jussie Smollett attacker who's about to ram into the White House with a U-Haul truck and a Nazi flag. 0.76

00:53:02.000 Oh! 0.87

00:53:03.000 All of our fancies are about to come true.

00:53:05.000 Members of the media were Jeffrey-tubing it.

00:53:07.000 They broke out the stores of KY.

00:53:08.000 They were really getting ready for just a party.

00:53:12.000 And then it turned out that the person who did it is a person named Sai Varshith Kandula.

00:53:18.000 And he is an illegal immigrant. 0.63

00:53:21.000 Ooh.

00:53:22.000 Uno.

00:53:23.000 A fuller picture of Kandula also began to emerge from an acquaintance who attended high school with him in suburban St.

00:53:27.000 Louis.

00:53:28.000 Apparently, the friends were shocked by allegations against him.

00:53:31.000 They portrayed him as quiet and kind.

00:53:35.000 They did not say what country he was originally from or when he arrived in the United States.

00:53:40.000 Assistant Federal Public Defender Diane Shrewsbury, who was appointed to represent Kandula, did not offer defense of Kandula in court. 0.97

00:53:47.000 Apparently, they say that it appears this guy is a crazy person.

00:53:51.000 In fact, Kandula liked to wear a surgical mask with Biden's name on it during the pandemic because he got a reaction from the people at Marquette University where he was going to school. 0.60

00:54:01.000 Kandula apparently, you know, has kind of lost his mind, and again, not here legally.

00:54:08.000 He told authorities he bought the flag because Nazis have a great history, and he admired their authoritarian nature, eugenics, and their one-world order, according to charging documents, and he called Adolf Hitler a strong leader.

00:54:15.000 But he wasn't a Trump supporter, so not a national news story.

00:54:18.000 We can't have a conversation about illegal immigration or who's in the country legally and who's not.

00:54:22.000 That would be a conversation media doesn't want to have.

00:54:24.000 So instead, we just won't have the conversation at all.

00:54:27.000 And so the story, poof, it disappeared.

00:54:29.000 It no longer exists.

00:54:30.000 Just like many local news stories, it popped into the news for a brief hot second, and then, like that, it was gone.

00:54:37.000 Okay, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:54:40.000 So, things that I like today.

00:54:43.000 Candace Owens, she made a documentary about Black Lives Matter.

00:54:46.000 It's called The Greatest Lie Ever Sold.

00:54:47.000 And it was all about how Black Lives Matter was a giant scam. 0.99

00:54:50.000 The entire organization was designed to make money for its founders.

00:54:53.000 It paid Patrisse Cullors a lot of money.

00:54:56.000 Hey, Patrisse Cullors' brother, a lot of money, like $1.6 million for security services in 2022.

00:55:02.000 Another sister of a board member earned $1.1 million for consulting.

00:55:05.000 They cleared tens of millions of dollars from ridiculous left-wing progressives in places like California who decided that they wanted to put a lawn sign on their lawn reading, in this house, black lives matter, water is delicious. 1.00

00:55:18.000 You know, that kind of garbage. 1.00

00:55:19.000 So all those idiots signed checks to Black Lives Matter and it was used by a black person, Patrisse Cullors, to purchase herself a very, very nice house. 1.00

00:55:27.000 Well now, according to the Daily Mail, BLM's national organization is at risk of going bankrupt after its finances plunged $8.5 million into the red last year while simultaneously handing multiple staff seven-figure salaries. 1.00

00:55:38.000 Oh, you mean it was a giant scam?

00:55:41.000 No, you shock me.

00:55:43.000 Financial disclosures obtained by the Washington Free Beacon show the perilous state of BLM Global Network Foundation, which officially emerged in November 2020 as a more formal way of structuring the civil rights movement.

00:55:53.000 Despite the financial controversy, BLM continued to hire relatives of Patrice Cullors and several board members.

00:55:59.000 Paul Cullors was one of BLM's only two paid employees during the year.

00:56:01.000 He collected $126,000 salary as head of security on top of consulting fees.

00:56:05.000 He is best known as a graffiti artist with no background in security.

00:56:11.000 For the previous year, 2021, tax filings revealed that BLM paid a company owned by Damon Turner, the father of Color's Child, nearly $970,000 to help produce live events and provide other creative services.

00:56:24.000 The sister of a former Black Lives Matter board member, Raymond Howard, was employed as a consultant.

00:56:28.000 That would be Daniel Edwards.

00:56:29.000 Her new impact partners was paid $1.1 million for consulting services in 2022.

00:56:33.000 So donations have plunged because everybody stopped feeling bad about the George Floyd of it all and decided to start sending their checks to their global warming scam pack.

00:56:42.000 So they just moved it from one scam pack to another scam pack.

00:56:45.000 But it is delicious to imagine how much money went to Black Lives Matter and their founders, and then all that money went directly

00:56:53.000 into somebody's pocket.

00:56:54.000 So just slow clap for the racial scam that paid off until they went bankrupt. 0.84

00:57:00.000 Yep, yep, yep.

00:57:01.000 Okay, meanwhile, some things that I hate. 1.00

00:57:02.000 So Roger Waters of Pink Floyd, he is a vicious, horrible anti-Semite. 0.98

00:57:11.000 He has been for years. 0.97

00:57:12.000 He pretends that his anti-Semitism is actually just anti-Zionism, but nope, it's actually just full-scale anti-Semitism.

00:57:18.000 So, apparently, over the last couple of days, he did a concert at the Mercedes-Benz Arena in Berlin.

00:57:24.000 Now, Berlin, you'll recall, when it comes to, you know, anti-Semitism and Nazism, it has a history.

00:57:31.000 There's some things that happened in Germany.

00:57:33.000 A few things.

00:57:34.000 In fact, the brand Mercedes-Benz may have been involved in some of those things, actually.

00:57:38.000 Roger Waters decided it would be an excellent idea to dress up as an SS officer and then compare Anne Frank, the murdered 14-year-old Jewish girl, to Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu-Akhla, who was accidentally shot, probably, by IDF forces.

00:57:53.000 When I say probably, I don't mean that she was accidentally shot... Probably, like, accidentally.

00:57:57.000 I mean that probably IDF forces accidentally shot her.

00:58:00.000 It's still not clear whether that is the case or not, but let's assume it's the case after investigations.

00:58:05.000 Clearly, the IDF was not targeting a prominent journalist to kill her.

00:58:09.000 That would be a very stupid thing to do, and obviously, it is not what happened. 0.91

00:58:12.000 But that didn't stop Roger Waters. 0.97

00:58:14.000 That dude is now comparing a journalist who was accidentally killed in the middle of a shootout with terrorists to a 14-year-old girl In Denmark, who was taken out of an attic and shipped to Auschwitz, where she was gassed to death. 0.88

00:58:27.000 Because Roger Waters is a piece of human debris. 1.00

00:58:30.000 He is a garbage human being. 1.00

00:58:32.000 At the beginning of the show, an announcement was displayed on a screen reading, quote, Nope! 1.00

00:58:35.000 He is a vile piece of crap, and he hates the Jews. 1.00

00:58:36.000 ruled that I am NOT an anti-Semite. Just to be clear, I condemn anti-Semitism 1.00

00:58:39.000 unreservedly. Nope! He is a vile piece of crap and he hates the Jews. The Jews.

00:58:48.000 And then he compared, of course, a bunch of victims of the Nazis to various people

00:58:54.000 who've been killed in conflict with the Israelis. 1.00

00:58:59.000 He is... What a vile piece of garbage. 1.00

00:59:00.000 Guys, here's what it looked like. 1.00

00:59:02.000 ♪♪ Uh, gross.

00:59:12.000 And terrible.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - May 25, 2023

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