The Ben Shapiro Show - Did Joe Biden Just Save Hamas?

00:00:00.000 It feels right now like the world is in a state of constant revolution.

00:00:03.000 And the reason it feels like the world is in a state of constant revolutions is because our political movements, particularly on the left, have decided to worship the revolutionaries.

00:00:12.000 I bring to you as example 1A.

00:00:15.000 Greta Thunberg.

00:00:15.000 Greta Thunberg is not an important person.

00:00:17.000 There's nothing about Greta Thunberg that suggests that she knows anything about literally anything.

00:00:21.000 She's not an environmentalist expert.

00:00:23.000 She's not an expert on foreign policy.

00:00:24.000 And yet, she has been held up as a model for our times.

00:00:28.000 A person that we all ought to follow.

00:00:29.000 A sort of Joan of Arc when it comes to the moral conscience of the West.

00:00:33.000 Why?

00:00:34.000 Because she's a revolutionary.

00:00:35.000 And the West now worships revolutionaries.

00:00:38.000 And I'll explain why that is in a moment.

00:00:40.000 Over the weekend, she was arrested, not once, but twice, apparently, in the same day for blocking traffic at a climate protest to shout about a climate emergency.

00:00:50.000 Here she was.

00:00:52.000 Climate activist Greta Thunberg has been arrested twice in the Netherlands.

00:00:57.000 Thunberg was detained along with several other protesters who tried to block a major highway into The Hague.

00:01:02.000 Hours later, she was released by police and was re-arrested when she rejoined the protest against fossil fuel subsidies.

00:01:10.000 Thunberg, who is now 21 years old, explained her actions saying, quote, we are in a planetary emergency.

00:01:18.000 Okay, and she's worshipped by the left for this sort of nonsense.

00:01:22.000 She's a professional, useless person.

00:01:24.000 That's what you would call her.

00:01:25.000 You would say that she has, for her entire adult life, and for much of her late childhood, been a professional, useless person, going around the planet and saying Nostradamus-like things about how the world is going to collapse, and then obstructing roads and incentivizing stupidity for literally years on end.

00:01:43.000 But she's not the only one.

00:01:44.000 There's a worship, when it comes to the left, for the revolution.

00:01:47.000 The revolutionaries must always be treated with extraordinary deference.

00:01:51.000 When it was Black Lives Matter rioters who were burning down cities, doing $2 billion in damages, the single most damaging spate of riots in American history, the entire legacy media treated this not as though this was something deeply wrong and actually evil.

00:02:04.000 It turns out that it's evil to burn down somebody else's shop in the name of racial justice.

00:02:08.000 They treated it as a group of people who were maybe just a little bit too passionate.

00:02:11.000 It was just they were too committed to the cause.

00:02:14.000 And you see this now in the treatment of these pro-Hamas protesters who are showing up at democratic events.

00:02:21.000 These pro-Hamas protesters are, in fact, emissaries of an evil ideology.

00:02:25.000 If you're standing for an actual genocidal terror group that wishes to impose Sharia law on its own citizens and to murder everyone else, You're the bad guy.

00:02:34.000 But the left has treated these people with extraordinary deference.

00:02:36.000 The New York Times has an entire piece today titled, How Gaza Protesters Are Challenging Democratic Leaders.

00:02:41.000 Now, the normal way that a decent civilization would treat these people is as moral outcasts.

00:02:46.000 It would shun them.

00:02:47.000 It would say, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

00:02:49.000 You're moral idiots.

00:02:50.000 And you are standing for a group of people who are legitimately the worst people on planet Earth.

00:02:54.000 You're trying to preserve in the Gaza Strip right now, a terrorist group to continue running the Gaza Strip after subjecting that entire area To their own predations, thievery, smuggling, destruction, corruption for 20 odd years.

00:03:10.000 But according to the New York Times, all these protesters are people to be respected and treated with kid gloves.

00:03:13.000 Quote, in Detroit, a congressman's holiday party devolved into chaos and a broken nose after demonstrators protesting the war in Gaza appeared with bullhorns.

00:03:20.000 In Fort Collins, Colorado, the mayor abruptly ended a meeting during which protesters demanding a ceasefire in Gaza glued their hands to a wall.

00:03:26.000 In places as disparate as a historic church in South Carolina and radiocidic music hall in Manhattan, President Biden has been heckled and drowned out by demonstrators objecting to his support for Israel.

00:03:35.000 Protests over the Biden administration's handling of the war are disrupting the activities of Democratic officials from city halls to Congress to the White House, complicating their ability to campaign and at times govern during a pivotal election year.

00:03:46.000 Now again, the New York Times is not saying these protesters are wrong or bad, which they are.

00:03:50.000 They're both wrong and bad.

00:03:52.000 Instead, they're saying that Joe Biden should take more stock of these protesters.

00:03:56.000 And who are these protesters?

00:03:57.000 Well, they're the kinds of people who, in Michigan, literally chant death to America.

00:04:01.000 We'll get to more on this in a moment.

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00:05:03.000 Here is tape over the weekend of protesters.

00:05:05.000 These are pro-Hamas protesters in Michigan.

00:05:07.000 These are the voters that Joe Biden is aiming for right now, who are literally chanting, death to America in America.

00:05:13.000 And these are the protesters that the legacy media and the Biden administration are suggesting ought to dictate foreign policy.

00:05:19.000 Gaza has shown the entire world why these protests are so anti-America.

00:05:25.000 Because it's the United States government that provides the funds for all of the atrocities that we just heard about.

00:05:31.000 And this is why Imam Khomeini, who declared the International Day of Quds,

00:05:36.000 this is why he would say to pour all of your chants and all of your shouts upon the head of America.

00:05:44.000 They're chanting in Arabic, death to America.

00:05:54.000 In America, in Michigan, that's what they're chanting.

00:05:56.000 It's those protesters and it's their friends who the Biden administration are catering to.

00:06:01.000 So the question is why?

00:06:03.000 Why are they catering to the radicals in their own party?

00:06:05.000 It turns out the vast majority of Americans don't like this stuff.

00:06:08.000 So why exactly are they catering to that?

00:06:09.000 And to understand that, you have to understand the theory of continuous revolution.

00:06:13.000 Effectively speaking, the Democratic Party, which now represents the left in the United States, has adopted the theory of Chairman Mao, the theory of continuous revolution that was so involved in the Cultural Revolution.

00:06:24.000 That theory is rooted originally in sort of Hegelian dialectic.

00:06:29.000 It's rooted in Marxist revision of Hegelian dialectic.

00:06:33.000 So, to really simplify the broad perception of the philosopher George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, one of the most important philosophers of the last 300 years, His philosophy was distilled down by a lot of people into a basic idea that history progresses through contradiction.

00:06:51.000 That basically you have a thesis, and then you have an antithesis, a response to the thesis, and then a synthesis of the two ideas.

00:06:58.000 And then the idea starts to fall apart, and it turns into a thesis, an antithesis, and then a synthesis again.

00:07:03.000 And so history progresses through contradiction is the basic idea.

00:07:07.000 Now Hegel meant this descriptively.

00:07:08.000 He would say that you would have One country representing one idea, and a second country representing a second idea.

00:07:13.000 They would go to war, and then they would make a peace, and the peace, out of that would come a new synthesis.

00:07:16.000 So for example, you would have a 30 years war between Catholic countries and Protestant countries, and out of that would come the peace of Westphalia.

00:07:22.000 Right?

00:07:22.000 Thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

00:07:24.000 That would be the basic, very simplified version of what George Frederick Hegel was talking about.

00:07:30.000 Karl Marx, Frederick Engels, they decided to extend that theory into the realm of economics.

00:07:34.000 So what they suggested is that capitalism carried the seeds of its own destruction.

00:07:38.000 Because capitalism was exploitative of the poor.

00:07:41.000 All this is false, but this was their theory.

00:07:43.000 Their theory was that capitalism would impoverish the poor, the poor then rise up against capitalism.

00:07:48.000 So capitalism was the thesis, the labor movement was the antithesis, and the synthesis would be socialism and eventually communism.

00:07:55.000 That was the basic idea that Marx and Engels put forward.

00:07:58.000 The contradiction itself would then come to synthesis.

00:08:01.000 Now there's only one problem.

00:08:02.000 The problem is what happens when you've reached the synthesis that the left actually likes.

00:08:07.000 Well, what the Hegelian theory would suggest is that then there will be an antithesis that rises and goes to war with the thesis.

00:08:14.000 But if you've won, if you're the left and you've won, what do you do?

00:08:17.000 Now you're stuck.

00:08:17.000 And this is the problem in which Chairman Mao found himself.

00:08:19.000 He had fostered a communist revolution in China, and now he was the boss man.

00:08:23.000 He ran the entire country with an iron fist.

00:08:26.000 Well, according to Hegelian dialectics, there should be a movement that could theoretically threaten him.

00:08:32.000 And that threat would then emerge a new movement.

00:08:36.000 So what did he do?

00:08:37.000 He posited something that he called the theory of continuous revolution.

00:08:40.000 That theory was that the party itself could embody all forms of revolution.

00:08:45.000 There would be new revolutions.

00:08:46.000 There'd be thesis and antithesis and synthesis, but it would all happen within the Communist Party structure.

00:08:50.000 So he said, quote, Opposition and struggle between ideas of different kinds constantly occur within the party.

00:08:56.000 This is a reflection within the party of contradictions between classes and between the new and the old in society.

00:09:00.000 If there were no contradictions in the party and no ideological struggles to resolve them, the party's life would come to an end.

00:09:07.000 In other words, the only way to retain absolute power was to encompass everything, the thesis and the antithesis.

00:09:14.000 The party was bigger than both.

00:09:16.000 All of this would happen inside the party, and this is why he encouraged younger members of the party to go and literally beat to death older members of the party.

00:09:23.000 This is why he encouraged some good communists to kill other good communists during the Cultural Revolution.

00:09:28.000 If you want to see what that looked like, you should watch the first episode of The Three-Body Problem on Netflix.

00:09:32.000 Pretty good representation of what the Cultural Revolution looked like in China.

00:09:35.000 The younger generation, for no reason at all, being told to beat the living hell out of people of the older generation because the revolution had to be televised.

00:09:43.000 The revolution had to continue.

00:09:44.000 Continuous revolution.

00:09:46.000 What does that mean?

00:09:46.000 It means that if you are a left-wing that wishes to retain power, you've gained power in the United States, or you've gained power in Europe, you have to pay continuous homage to the revolutionaries in your own party.

00:09:56.000 The thesis is Joe Biden.

00:09:58.000 The antithesis is the pro-Hamas protesters.

00:10:00.000 And the synthesis is a policy that effectively hands more power to Hamas.

00:10:06.000 The thesis is law and order.

00:10:09.000 The antithesis is riots in the major cities.

00:10:12.000 The synthesis is worship of the Black Lives Matter movement.

00:10:16.000 The thesis is normal environmentalists.

00:10:19.000 The antithesis is Greta Thunberg sitting at a traffic stop and blocking traffic.

00:10:26.000 And the synthesis is going to be a Green New Deal.

00:10:29.000 That's the idea of the Democratic Party.

00:10:30.000 The revolution will constantly be encompassed inside the party, inside the left-wing movement.

00:10:36.000 And all you need to make this sort of happen is a little bit of celebrity cover for the revolution.

00:10:41.000 You just need major politicians, for example, like Joe Biden, or major celebrities, like Chef Jose Andres, to repeat the nostrums of the revolutionary every so often, and then you will reach synthesis.

00:10:52.000 And that's precisely what has been happening with regard to the Israel-Gaza war.

00:10:56.000 So right now, the latest on the ground in the Israel-Gaza war is that the Israeli defense forces have largely pulled out from the Gaza Strip, at least major parts in the north of the Gaza Strip.

00:11:06.000 It's not clear at this point what exactly is happening.

00:11:08.000 Are they doing that because they're about to redeploy into Rafah, which is the last major city in the Gaza Strip, where there are apparently four Hamas battalions still remaining?

00:11:17.000 The metaphor that has been used by Benny Gantz, who is the left-wing member of the war coalition in Israel, is that you can't put out 80% of the fire in a house and then hope that the other 20% doesn't burn down the rest of the house.

00:11:30.000 If you're going to finish this off, you have to finish this off.

00:11:32.000 That is Benny Gantz, not Bibi Netanyahu, who the administration has decided is the bad guy in all of this.

00:11:37.000 And so Israel is pretty determined to go into Rafia and to finish the job in Rafia by dismantling the last of the Hamas battalions.

00:11:44.000 And then the war will effectively be over, at least until they are able to find and rescue the hostages who are being held somewhere in the Gaza Strip that nobody knows at this point.

00:11:54.000 So that is the current situation.

00:11:56.000 The reason that Israel is making all of these concessions to the Biden administration Such as a military pullout appears to be just severe pressure from the Biden administration on Israel.

00:12:06.000 That pressure is being brought about by the kinds of protesters who are shouting death to America in Dearborn, Michigan.

00:12:11.000 Make no mistake, those are the revolutionary vanguard and they are the leaders.

00:12:14.000 And all they require is a little bit of cover from supposed moderates, from celebrities like Chef Jose Andres.

00:12:22.000 Folks, we'll get some more on this in just one second.

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00:13:24.000 So Chef Jose Andres is the head of the World Central Kitchen when he is not doing his chefing.

00:13:30.000 The World Central Kitchen does a lot of good work in bringing food into very hard-hit areas in terms of war.

00:13:37.000 Also, he is a political radical.

00:13:39.000 He's been a political radical for quite a while.

00:13:41.000 Those two things are not in particular contradiction.

00:13:44.000 You can do good things and you can do bad things.

00:13:45.000 Life is filled with these sorts of things.

00:13:47.000 Over the weekend, Chef Jose Andres, who has been the singular force behind pushing the Biden administration into effectively undermining Israel's military effort to extirpate a terrorist group that is currently holding over a hundred hostages, including five Americans.

00:14:00.000 So I went on national TV where the legacy media, who of course are also part of this broad spectrum left-wing movement, He went on National TV and he suggested that what Israel is doing is a war against humanity itself, which is an incredibly vicious proposition.

00:14:17.000 It is not true that Israel is in a war with, quote unquote, humanity itself.

00:14:21.000 Were it war with humanity itself, the World Central Kitchen never would have been coordinated with the Israeli Defense Forces in the first place.

00:14:27.000 It's an incredible statement from a guy whose organization has been coordinating with the military that is currently engaged in a war with another entire entity to get aid in to the civilians of the other side.

00:14:40.000 That's a crazy statement.

00:14:41.000 That's like the Red Cross working with the Americans during World War II to try to bring aid to German civilians.

00:14:47.000 And then the Red Cross turning around saying America is doing a war on humanity.

00:14:51.000 In any case, here's Chef Jose Andres, who again is a political radical on the left.

00:14:56.000 This is not anymore about the seven men and women of World Central Kitchen that perished on this unfortunate event.

00:15:05.000 This is happening way for too long.

00:15:07.000 It's been six months of targeting anything that seems moves.

00:15:12.000 This doesn't seem a war against terror.

00:15:15.000 This doesn't seem anymore a war about defending Israel.

00:15:19.000 This really at this point seems it's a war against humanity itself.

00:15:25.000 Okay, that is a lie, and it's a disgusting lie.

00:15:28.000 If it were a war against humanity itself, Israel, as I've said a thousand times, has complete air superiority over the Gaza Strip.

00:15:33.000 They could have just killed literally hundreds of thousands of people.

00:15:35.000 Even according to Hamas statistics, which are largely falsified, Israel has killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 32,000 people.

00:15:42.000 According to Israeli statistics, that includes at least 13,000 terrorists.

00:15:45.000 And one of the things about being a terrorist in the Gaza Strip is that many of the people who are considered non-terrorists Our 18-year-old men who put down a gun for five minutes and now they're non-terrorists and then they pick up the gun and now they're terrorists again.

00:15:57.000 What happened with the World Central Kitchen is indeed a tragedy.

00:16:01.000 Israel has not only acknowledged that, Israel has fired the officers who were in charge, despite the confusion about what actually happened.

00:16:08.000 By the way, the Jerusalem Post did have a report about what actually happened with the World Central Kitchen.

00:16:11.000 It turns out that war zones are really dangerous, and you don't have perfect knowledge of what's going on at any given time.

00:16:18.000 Here is the timeline, according to the Jerusalem Post.

00:16:20.000 quote, the drone unit saw multiple suspicious actions starting after 10 p.m. Monday.

00:16:24.000 First, the drone unit said it saw a Hamas terrorist climb onto one of the trucks

00:16:28.000 and fire in the air at what it called Action Point 2.

00:16:31.000 According to the IDF, that's the Israeli Defense Force, this tactic is frequently used by Hamas to send signals to

00:16:37.000 other Hamas fighters in the area regarding his position.

00:16:40.000 At another action point 3, the convoy then split up.

00:16:42.000 At action point 4, the convoy entered a hangar, which obscured which vehicles might be going in and out and who might be in the vehicles compared to who was in the vehicles before entering the hangar.

00:16:52.000 In the first four action points, the Israeli Defense Force drone unit refrained from attacking the aid trucks because they questioned their commanders and were ordered by Division 162 Brigadier General Itzik Cohen not to, despite a suspicion that Hamas terrorists were involved.

00:17:05.000 The Israeli Defense Forces then tried to call the aid workers but was unable to reach them.

00:17:09.000 At the fifth action point, the aid trucks had now left the hangar.

00:17:11.000 As events developed, the IDF tried to call the aid workers involved in the field and was unable to reach them.

00:17:16.000 So the IDF called the World Central Kitchen.

00:17:18.000 The World Central Kitchen headquarters tried to call its own aid workers in the field, but they did not answer.

00:17:22.000 When vehicles left the hangar, the IDF drone unit believed these were not the same vehicles, and thought that these were Hamas vehicles, or that around four Hamas operatives had joined or taken over the convoy.

00:17:31.000 According to the Israeli Defense Forces, attacking the trucks after all of this was a mistaken identity issue, but could not lead to criminal charges accordingly.

00:17:37.000 The drone unit believed the order not to attack no longer applied.

00:17:40.000 Around a kilometer later, around 1109 p.m., the drone unit believed it had the right to engage the trucks.

00:17:45.000 Also, the drone unit had thermal imaging, not visual imaging, so it could not see the WCK aid worker sign posted on the roof of the trucks.

00:17:53.000 Because thermal imaging looks like you see in the movies, right?

00:17:56.000 It just shows sort of heat patterns and heat signatures.

00:17:58.000 It doesn't show the actual details of paint on things, for example.

00:18:01.000 When the drone unit attacked three separate times in succession, it believed the coast was clear completely to attack what it thought were clearly Hamas targets.

00:18:08.000 So despite all that confusion, despite the fact that apparently there were Hamas terrorists who were involved in the convoy, and then there were confusions in terms of the trucks, and despite the fact I called the World Central Kitchen, the World Central Kitchen couldn't get a hold of his own people, and all of this, the commanders were fired.

00:18:22.000 According to Chef Jose Andres, that constitutes a war against humanity.

00:18:26.000 Why?

00:18:27.000 The answer is because, again, the revolution must be continuous.

00:18:31.000 Because the revolutionary movement that suggests that the West is bad and that the left can contain all of these movements at once, it must continue.

00:18:38.000 And it's been hijacked.

00:18:40.000 The revolutionaries have hijacked the Democratic Party at this point.

00:18:44.000 Of course, they've also hijacked the media.

00:18:48.000 So, the media have a perverse incentive structure here.

00:18:50.000 Not only are they on the left, typically speaking, but also, if you are an anchor, and you display emotion, then you get clicks.

00:18:57.000 That is the way this typically works.

00:18:58.000 If you are more emotional, this, by the way, is nothing new.

00:19:01.000 If you go back and you watch the old James Brooks movie, Broadcast News, It's a great movie and it's worth watching.

00:19:06.000 It's a really good sort of indicator as how news has gone for literally decades in the United States.

00:19:11.000 William Hurt plays a reporter in that film and he has this magical moment on camera where he's interviewing a woman and he tears up on camera and this becomes like his calling card is that he teared up on camera.

00:19:23.000 Well, interviewing this woman and the punchline of the movie, spoiler alert after 40 years, the punchline of the movie is that there was only one camera in the room, which means that he had to cut in the film of him crying on cue afterward.

00:19:37.000 So he recorded all those questions later and then pretended to cry.

00:19:39.000 So I'm not suggesting that there isn't genuine emotion on the part of some of these reporters.

00:19:43.000 I will suggest that when reporters get emotional, they're not actually doing their job for the viewer.

00:19:50.000 So when Chris Wallace, for example, gets emotional, and how this is personal, and Israel should fight a war without killing anyone, this is nonsense and he knows it.

00:19:58.000 Two years ago, my daughter Catherine volunteered at World Central Kitchen to help feed Ukrainian refugees who fled to Poland.

00:20:07.000 She's the woman on the far right.

00:20:09.000 And that man in the center, Damien Sobel, who Catherine says was incredibly kind, he is one of the seven World Central Kitchen workers Who was killed this week.

00:20:21.000 Now I'm no military expert and I know Hamas is hiding in a civilian population.

00:20:27.000 But there's got to be some way Israel can fight this war without killing so many innocents.

00:20:33.000 Without killing people like Damien.

00:20:36.000 Sometime over these six months.

00:20:37.000 Okay, stop it there.

00:20:38.000 So this is absolutely insane.

00:20:41.000 Okay, the reason this is insane is not because of his sympathy.

00:20:43.000 Obviously, that's fine.

00:20:45.000 The point that he makes there, he is not a military expert, and he knows nothing about how military operations work, does not stop him from them suggesting military policy to the Israelis.

00:20:54.000 And so all of this has now been taken up into the revolutionary vanguard, which is the Democratic Party at this point.

00:20:59.000 We'll get to more on this in just a moment.

00:21:01.000 First, it's been six months since Hamas brutally attacked Israel, launching a vicious war for Israel's very survival.

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00:22:07.000 So John Kirby, the national security spokesperson over the weekend, he suggested that the Israeli defense forces must make what he called deconfliction changes in Gaza.

00:22:16.000 As you know, the president spoke, Donald, the president shares that grief and sorrow.

00:22:21.000 And as we have made clear, there's going to have to be some changes to the way the Israeli defense forces are prosecuting these operations in Gaza to make sure that this doesn't happen again.

00:22:33.000 And some of the changes we talked about, certainly more humanitarian aid and assistance getting in.

00:22:37.000 But just as critically, Martha, there's got to be changes in the deconfliction process.

00:22:42.000 The information flow between aid workers on the ground and the IDF in their headquarters so that this kind of targeting can't happen again.

00:22:51.000 Okay, well, as you see from the actual process of how this happened, they tried to get in touch with the actual aid workers.

00:22:56.000 They tried to get in touch with the World Central Kitchen.

00:22:58.000 The World Central Kitchen tried to get in touch with its own people.

00:23:01.000 So what changes would he actually suggest?

00:23:03.000 There are no changes.

00:23:05.000 As always, the narrative matters more than the fact pattern here.

00:23:09.000 All of this has now resulted in the Biden administration doing what they've been itching to do for months at this point, which is threaten a conditional cutoff in aid to Israel in the middle of a war with Hamas.

00:23:20.000 Now, if you want to make the world more dangerous for America and for its allies, what you do is you allow Hamas to survive.

00:23:24.000 That is the single most dangerous thing that you could do in this region right now.

00:23:27.000 Because if Hamas survives and walks out of those tunnels, hands held high, you can guarantee that Hezbollah, within the next year, is going to launch a serious war on Israel's northern border.

00:23:35.000 Israel will have to respond in kind.

00:23:37.000 When that happens, Iran will get involved, and then you will, in fact, have a giant regional war.

00:23:41.000 What you have right now are pinprick attacks because Israel's enemies are afraid of it.

00:23:46.000 If Hamas wins, this ridiculously vicious, horrifying, but relatively small military contingent, talking about 30,000 to 40,000 fighters, many of whom are not nearly as well equipped as the Israeli Defense Forces, if they're somehow able to survive after all of this as a governing entity in Gaza, thanks to the West, Iran could not ask, possibly, for a bigger victory at this point.

00:24:11.000 So when the United States is talking about conditioning aid to Israel, and then they won't even spell out what the conditions look like.

00:24:18.000 Or if they do spell it out, they're talking about like an immediate ceasefire while Hamas still holds hostages.

00:24:23.000 Understand how insane this is.

00:24:23.000 This is what the Biden administration said last week.

00:24:25.000 They literally said last week that Israel should cease all fire in Gaza so that they can negotiate with Hamas, who has rejected every single proposal put forward.

00:24:36.000 And they should do that while Hamas is holding Israeli citizens hostage.

00:24:40.000 The United States would never do that ourselves.

00:24:42.000 If the Mexican government were to launch a vicious raid across the American border, killing 1,200 American citizens, taking 250 hostages, we would not declare an immediate ceasefire in order to negotiate with them to free the hostages while they rejected every hostage deal.

00:24:57.000 There's no possibility.

00:24:58.000 Any government that did that in the United States, any president that would be immediately impeached and should be.

00:25:02.000 So Israel can't do that.

00:25:04.000 But that is what the United States is pressuring them to do.

00:25:06.000 Here was John Kirby saying he's not going to rule out conditioning aid.

00:25:10.000 Is the Biden administration position still that there should be zero conditions on aid, military aid to Israel?

00:25:18.000 I'm not going to get ahead of the President or decisions he might or might not make going forward.

00:25:23.000 He was very clear in his call with the Prime Minister that if we don't see some changes in their policies in Gaza and the way they're prosecuting operations, we're going to have to make some changes of our own.

00:25:34.000 So you do think these are Israeli policies then?

00:25:36.000 I mean, Block 8.

00:25:38.000 They get to decide how they prosecute this war.

00:25:41.000 It's their operation.

00:25:42.000 We get to decide how we're going to react to that, and how we're going to administer our own policy with respect to Gaza.

00:25:47.000 We make those decisions, and the President was clear with the Prime Minister, if there's not changes, if things don't get better, then we're going to have to make changes of our own.

00:25:55.000 Okay, but the problem is they've not actually made explicit what those changes look like.

00:25:58.000 Israel's been shipping in literally tons of food into the Gaza Strip every single day.

00:26:03.000 At least two pounds of food per person in the Gaza Strip every day.

00:26:07.000 That's how much food is going into the Gaza Strip right now.

00:26:09.000 Most of those people are located in Rafia.

00:26:11.000 You have at least a million and a half people in Rafia at this point, according to the current reports.

00:26:18.000 That aid is getting in.

00:26:19.000 The problem is there's no way to distribute it.

00:26:21.000 It'd be one thing if the United States were saying to Israel, here are five specific things you can do.

00:26:26.000 But they're not.

00:26:27.000 They're basically saying, we want you to change things.

00:26:29.000 And Israel's like, how?

00:26:30.000 And the United States is like, we don't know, but you gotta change.

00:26:33.000 They're doing the Chris Wallace routine.

00:26:34.000 I don't know anything about military aid, but I know you can do better than this.

00:26:37.000 Okay, well, magic man, tell us how.

00:26:39.000 Really, tell like the world how.

00:26:41.000 That'd be nice.

00:26:42.000 Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi is doing the same thing.

00:26:44.000 The former House Speaker and a key ally of Biden, she wouldn't do this without Biden's consent.

00:26:48.000 They're pressuring Biden from within.

00:26:49.000 Again, the revolutionary vanguard must be respected inside the Democratic Party so as to contain the revolution.

00:26:55.000 She signed a letter on Friday from dozens of congressional Democrats to the president and secretary of state, Antony Blinken, urging a complete halt to all weapons transfers to Israel.

00:27:03.000 In the face, by the way, of continuous attacks on Israel's north by Hezbollah, a much more powerful military enemy than Hamas.

00:27:11.000 The letter called on the Biden administration to conduct its own probe into the Israeli airstrike.

00:27:15.000 Quote, in light of the recent strike against aid workers and the ever-worsening humanitarian crisis, we believe it is unjustifiable to approve these weapons transfers.

00:27:23.000 So, presumably, the idea here would be to cut off Israel's military supply in the face of a three-border war.

00:27:30.000 Because right now, Israel is receiving incoming threats, it's actually four,

00:27:34.000 is receiving incoming threats from the Gaza Strip.

00:27:36.000 They're receiving incoming threats in Eilat, which is very south of Israel, from the Houthis.

00:27:41.000 They're receiving incoming threats from the West Bank, where you still have the Palestinian Authority,

00:27:47.000 Fatah, and Hamas operating.

00:27:49.000 Terrorist attack in Israel almost every day at this point, at junctions in the West Bank.

00:27:53.000 And the massive military threat on Israel's northern border in Lebanon.

00:27:56.000 So in the middle of that, Nancy Pelosi wants to cut off aid.

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00:28:59.000 Meanwhile, Senator Chris Van Hollen is doing the same routine.

00:29:02.000 He, of course, really covets Chuck Schumer's seat as the majority leader.

00:29:05.000 And so he's running at Chuck Schumer from the left, which is why Chuck Schumer is also running to the left.

00:29:09.000 Here is Chris Van Hollen, moral idiot, suggesting that, again, the United States should condition aid.

00:29:15.000 He won't mention based on what.

00:29:17.000 What exactly are the conditions?

00:29:20.000 Were you clear on what the White House position is?

00:29:23.000 I'm not clear.

00:29:24.000 First of all, I should say I'm glad Bill Burns is in Cairo.

00:29:27.000 I hope we get a ceasefire and a return of all the hostages.

00:29:31.000 I was glad to see the president, at least as reported out, finally say to President Netanyahu that if you don't follow my requests, that there will be consequences.

00:29:45.000 The president and the White House have yet to lay out what consequences they have and they want to impose.

00:29:52.000 This partnership cannot be a one-way street.

00:29:55.000 So my view is the president needs to do what he said he was going to do, which is see if the Netanyahu government is going to implement These changes in terms of allowing more humanitarian assistance until those conditions are met, then no, we should not be sending more offensive weapons to Israel, not to stop them permanently, but to effectively use our leverage.

00:30:18.000 That's what we're asking the President of the United States to do.

00:30:21.000 What are your demands?

00:30:22.000 And the answer is there are no demands.

00:30:24.000 This is why the Biden administration last week suggested an immediate ceasefire while Hamas holds hostages and is surviving inside Rafia.

00:30:31.000 Meanwhile, Chris Coons, another idiot Democratic senator of Delaware, he suggested, no, no, we're not being dictated to by the protesters.

00:30:39.000 They are absolutely being dictated to by the protesters.

00:30:43.000 Have the protesters won at the White House?

00:30:48.000 No, let me remind you what just happened.

00:30:50.000 Two weeks ago, President Biden signed into law our annual appropriations bill that includes $3.8 billion in support for Israel.

00:31:00.000 I think this is a tactical disagreement that began with Prime Minister Netanyahu insisting he would go into RAFA.

00:31:06.000 And what I have been saying and what I believe President Biden has been saying directly to Prime Minister Netanyahu is before you go in at scale and try to finish the job against Hamas, Make sure that you allow for humanitarian aid and for those civilians trapped in Rafah to move out of the way before you conduct this last stage of the ground campaign.

00:31:27.000 That's what I understand the disagreement to be about.

00:31:31.000 We'll find out whether Kunz is lying or not, because Israel is going to do all those things.

00:31:34.000 Israel is going to shuttle at least a million people out of Rafah into other areas of the Gaza Strip, just to get them out of harm's way.

00:31:41.000 Israel has increased the amount of humanitarian aid.

00:31:43.000 Is it going to be enough for Joe Biden and his left-wing flank?

00:31:45.000 I have serious, serious doubts.

00:31:47.000 Okay, in just one second, we'll get to Joe Biden's flagging campaign.

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00:32:36.000 Meanwhile, Joe Biden continues to struggle.

00:32:39.000 So, Joe Biden right now is running so far behind what he was in 2020.

00:32:43.000 In 2020, he was up in the national polling data by almost seven points at this point in the race.

00:32:49.000 Today, he is down in the national polling data By about .3 points to Donald Trump according to the RealClearPolitics polling average.

00:32:56.000 Now, he has improved his standing a little bit in the last few weeks.

00:33:00.000 There are four out of the last six polls that show him with a slight lead.

00:33:04.000 NPR-PBS-Marist has him up 50-48.

00:33:07.000 Data for Progress, which is a Democratic polling firm, has him up 1.

00:33:09.000 Morning Consult has him up 2, 44-42.

00:33:12.000 Rasmussen Reports has Trump up 8.

00:33:15.000 Emerson has Trump up 1.

00:33:16.000 The INI-TIPP poll has Biden up 3.

00:33:19.000 So this race is basically a dead heat at this point.

00:33:22.000 On a state-by-state basis, the states are, again, extremely tight.

00:33:26.000 Pennsylvania, the poll average currently has Joe Biden up 0.1 points.

00:33:31.000 That one is really close.

00:33:33.000 Nevada, Trump is up 3.2.

00:33:34.000 In Michigan, Trump's lead has declined a little bit.

00:33:38.000 He was up 5 or 6 points.

00:33:39.000 He's now down to 2.8 points.

00:33:41.000 And in Wisconsin, Trump is up 0.6 points.

00:33:44.000 Now, remember, if Trump wins Nevada, then he only has to win one of those other states in order for him to win the presidency.

00:33:52.000 You made that endorsement in 2020.

00:33:52.000 or Michigan or Pennsylvania.

00:33:54.000 Right now, he's running dead even in two of those and ahead in Michigan.

00:33:57.000 So, Joe Biden has a serious problem.

00:33:59.000 It turns out people don't like him very much as President of the United States.

00:34:02.000 And that includes apparently The Rock.

00:34:03.000 So, The Rock came out over the weekend, he said, I regret endorsing Joe Biden in 2020.

00:34:06.000 You made that endorsement in 2020, are you happy with the state of America?

00:34:11.000 Am I happy with the state of America right now?

00:34:14.000 Well that answer is no.

00:34:15.000 Do I believe we're going to get better?

00:34:17.000 I believe in that.

00:34:18.000 I'm an optimistic guy and I believe we can get better.

00:34:23.000 The endorsement that I made years ago with Biden was what I thought was the best decision for me at that time.

00:34:31.000 And I thought back then when we talk about, hey, you know, I'm in this position where I have some influence and it's my job then.

00:34:41.000 I felt like that then.

00:34:42.000 It's my job now to exercise my influence and share with this.

00:34:48.000 This is who I'm going to endorse.

00:34:50.000 Am I going to do that again this year?

00:34:51.000 That answer's no.

00:34:54.000 Okay, the fact that he's not endorsing shows that he is really not sure which way to jump.

00:34:58.000 It's not that the Rock is some sort of real Republican or anything.

00:35:01.000 He's not.

00:35:02.000 He's a political moderate at best.

00:35:03.000 But the fact that he's not jumping to Biden shows that he's kind of where a lot of Americans are, which means this is going to be a late-breaking election.

00:35:09.000 The events are going to dictate what happens between now and the election, because you know exactly what you think about Trump, and you know exactly what you think about Joe Biden.

00:35:16.000 If people are in a better mood leading up to the election, Biden will win.

00:35:19.000 If people are in exactly the same mood that they are right now about America, Trump is going to win.

00:35:23.000 And Joe Biden has a serious problem on his hands, specifically because of that.

00:35:27.000 The Democrats are trying to talk their way, happy talk their way, past the economic problems the country is experiencing, and that is the continued effects of inflation.

00:35:34.000 And while there's been a lot of talk about job growth, there was a booming job report in March.

00:35:38.000 303,000 jobs added in March, which beat the estimates by a significant amount.

00:35:44.000 Economists wanted 205,000 jobs.

00:35:45.000 Instead, About 303,000 jobs were gained, but it is important to look below the top line as to where those jobs are being gained.

00:35:55.000 71,000 of those jobs came in government.

00:35:58.000 And when it feels that the government is sucking money out of your pocket through inflation, and then spreading that money around through government jobs, that is not something that's going to make anybody feel particularly good.

00:36:08.000 A huge percentage of job gains under Joe Biden have been in the government sectors or in the healthcare sector where people feel like they're overspending anyway.

00:36:16.000 That's not likely to make people feel like a booming economy is happening.

00:36:19.000 People feel a booming economy when there's innovation.

00:36:22.000 People feel a booming economy when they believe that there are new products and services coming online that make their life better.

00:36:28.000 They don't really feel a booming economy when there are more government employees or when there's another administrative health worker at an insurance company.

00:36:36.000 Obviously, the people who are working in those industries feel better, but everybody else, they kind of look and they go, I'm not sure that that is what a booming economy looks like right now.

00:36:44.000 This is why David Axelrod, consultant to Barack Obama in 2008, he says that Joe Biden has to stop kind of the happy talk about the economy.

00:36:52.000 I wouldn't go out there and extol the miracle of the Biden economy.

00:36:59.000 It just drives me crazy when he does that.

00:37:03.000 He was on the Today Show yesterday and he got asked by Al Roker about a very simple question.

00:37:11.000 It was at the Easter Egg Hunt and Roker asked, you know, a lot of people are worried that their bucks aren't going as far.

00:37:19.000 You know, what, what do you tell them?

00:37:21.000 And instead of sort of doing what you'd expect Joe Biden to do, because he's a person of empathy who grew up in a working class circumstance and identify with the concern, he said, you know, I would tell him we've, you know, we've got the strongest economy in the world and, you know, we're, and he continues to do that.

00:37:41.000 That is the wrong strategy.

00:37:44.000 It is the wrong strategy.

00:37:45.000 It's also the wrong strategy because there are different sectors of the economy.

00:37:48.000 They don't all grow in exactly the same measure.

00:37:51.000 So Joe Biden has been focused, as always, on government jobs and on white-collar jobs in major urban areas.

00:37:59.000 Those are the places that have really grown under Joe Biden.

00:38:01.000 Other places that are growing in spite of Joe Biden know it's in spite of Joe Biden.

00:38:05.000 So, the Wall Street Journal has an entire piece today about Pennsylvania.

00:38:08.000 Where they say that one of the problems that Joe Biden is experiencing in Pennsylvania is his hatred of liquefied natural gas.

00:38:14.000 That that's a serious problem for him.

00:38:15.000 him quote in Pennsylvania, the largest 2024 battleground state.

00:38:18.000 President Biden's victory four years ago depended in large part on big gains among

00:38:22.000 voters like this one, a software company manager and former Republican who is now

00:38:26.000 part of the city's heavily Democratic professional class.

00:38:28.000 But those gains have been overtaken by opposition from other voters who work in

00:38:32.000 the natural gas industry, a sector that has given a boost to blue collar workers

00:38:36.000 These energy economy voters see Biden as hostile to fracking, which taps natural gas trapped in sedimentary rock deep underground.

00:38:42.000 The sector has drawn billions of dollars in new investment in Pennsylvania, much of it in the state's southwest quarter.

00:38:47.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:38:49.000 All Joe Biden would have to do to win over those voters, presumably, is just be looser on LNG.

00:38:53.000 Stop catering to the environmentalists in his own base.

00:38:55.000 And this goes back to the biggest problem for the Biden administration.

00:38:57.000 If you wish to contain the revolution on your left, if you believe the passion in your consistent revolution must come from the revolutionary left, if you bow to morons like Greta Thunberg, and she is, she is not a smart human being, if you bow to dullards who are spray-painting The Mona Lisa in order to fight global warming or some such nonsense, then you are going to lose the blue-collar voters in Pennsylvania.

00:39:20.000 If you cave to the pro-Hamas protesters in Dearborn, Michigan, you are going to lose a bunch of people in the rest of Michigan who actually are mostly concerned at this point over whether they get to keep their jobs in the auto industry, which Joe Biden is attempting to push into electrified cars well before the technology is developed enough.

00:39:38.000 This is the problem that faces Joe Biden. So what are they doing? They're projecting onto Trump.

00:39:41.000 So Joe Biden's spokesperson over the weekend decided to rip into Donald Trump. Donald Trump

00:39:45.000 had a good fundraising weekend. It's his first big, good fundraising weekend in quite a while.

00:39:49.000 He raised more than $50 million at a Saturday evening fundraiser. According to Politico,

00:39:55.000 Trump is pushing to close a massive cash disadvantage against Joe Biden.

00:39:58.000 Biden ended March with $192 million on hand, more than twice as much as Trump.

00:40:02.000 But attendees at the Saturday evening event were asked to donate as much as $814,000.

00:40:06.000 He has another big high dollar fundraiser on Wednesday in Atlanta.

00:40:12.000 Trump wants Biden to debate him.

00:40:13.000 Biden is definitely not going to debate him, of course.

00:40:16.000 But Trump had a big fundraising weekend.

00:40:18.000 And so Joe Biden's spokesperson was out there on the campaign trail, suggesting that the people who were giving to him were all racists and extremists.

00:40:26.000 I think it stands in stark contrast to the lack of fundraising that you see out of the

00:40:30.000 Trump campaign, but as important is how they are raising it.

00:40:33.000 He's down in Mar-a-Lago tonight with a bunch of billionaires, people like John Paulson,

00:40:38.000 who not only wants to cut Social Security, but he's famous for, as a hedge funder, rooting

00:40:43.000 against the American economy, betting against the American economy.

00:40:45.000 So I guess it's no surprise that he's investing in somebody like Donald Trump, who's rooting

00:40:49.000 for the economy to crash.

00:40:50.000 But the whole lot of them is a bunch of billionaire scammers, extremists, and racists who understand

00:40:55.000 that if they fund Trump's legal fees, he's going to cut their taxes while he cuts our

00:40:58.000 Social Security.

00:40:59.000 And so that's just the fundamental contrast that you have between the fundraising operation

00:41:03.000 that we're building up and how it's allowing us to communicate with the voters and the

00:41:06.000 money that Trump's raising from a bunch of billionaires that's doing nothing more than

00:41:09.000 paying off his legal fees right now.

00:41:11.000 Okay, so again, everybody who's donating to Trump is a bad person.

00:41:15.000 They tried this tactic in 2016 and it did not work.

00:41:18.000 They tried again in 2020 and it kind of worked, but that's also because they changed all the voting rules.

00:41:23.000 If this is what they've got going into the election, it ain't much.

00:41:26.000 The only person who is really capable of defeating Donald Trump at this point, as always, is Donald Trump.

00:41:31.000 It's always about whether Donald Trump will defeat himself.

00:41:33.000 It is very rarely about whether a Democrat will defeat Donald Trump.

00:41:36.000 Because, again, right now, this election is a referendum on Joe Biden, not on Donald Trump.

00:41:42.000 So, it's interesting.

00:41:43.000 Donald Trump, as I've mentioned before, is the actual political moderate in this race in terms of his actual positions.

00:41:47.000 So, for example, here was Donald Trump talking about what he would do as president with regard to abortion on the federal level.

00:41:54.000 I strongly support the availability of IVF for couples who are trying to have a precious baby.

00:42:00.000 What could be more beautiful or better than that?

00:42:03.000 Today I'm pleased that the Alabama legislature has acted very quickly and passed legislation that preserves the availability of IVF in Alabama.

00:42:14.000 They really did a great and fast job.

00:42:16.000 My view is now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it from a legal standpoint, The states will determine by vote or legislation, or perhaps both, and whatever they decide must be the law of the land.

00:42:29.000 In this case, the law of the state.

00:42:33.000 Many states will be different.

00:42:34.000 Many will have a different number of weeks, or some will have more conservative than others, and that's what they will be.

00:42:42.000 At the end of the day, this is all about the will of the people.

00:42:46.000 You must follow your heart or, in many cases, your religion or your faith.

00:42:51.000 Do what's right for your family and do what's right for yourself, do what's right for your children, do what's right for our country.

00:42:59.000 Okay, so that is a lot of vagary, which is to say he's not going to do anything on the federal level with regard to pro-life legislation.

00:43:07.000 Now, for pro-lifers like me, that's anathema.

00:43:10.000 If you've got the power as the President of the United States, you should be passing federal legislation at the very least to push back the period during which Termination of the unborn is a possibility.

00:43:20.000 However, is that the politically moderate position in this fight?

00:43:24.000 Absolutely.

00:43:25.000 Just from a positioning standpoint, he's trying to take off the table the number one issue the Democrats are going to run on with regard to, say, suburban women.

00:43:33.000 He's trying to take it off the table, which is smart politics from him.

00:43:35.000 Put aside the morality of it, because politics is not always moral.

00:43:38.000 That is, in fact, the smart move, is to say Florida is Florida, California is California.

00:43:42.000 When I'm president, every state's gonna be different.

00:43:44.000 That's what Roe versus Wade being overturned is all about.

00:43:47.000 So again, that's very, just politically, not morally, politically, that is smart Trump.

00:43:52.000 That is smart Trump.

00:43:53.000 Then you have Trump comparing himself to Nelson Mandela over the weekend, which is an actual thing that he did.

00:43:56.000 He actually put out another truth social statement In which he said, I will gladly become a modern-day Nelson Mandela.

00:44:05.000 It will be my great honor.

00:44:06.000 He says, if this partisan hack wants to put me in the clink for speaking the open and obvious truth, I will gladly become modern-day Nelson Mandela.

00:44:12.000 It will be my great honor.

00:44:13.000 Now, again, I think it would be completely unjust and a violation of law to put Donald Trump in jail over hush money allegations that are absolute nonsense.

00:44:23.000 With that said, is the Nelson Mandela comparison, like, great for Donald Trump?

00:44:26.000 Not sure that it is.

00:44:28.000 The media will focus on that, but positionally, what he's doing right now is, in fact, smart politics.

00:44:32.000 We'll get to more on this in a moment.

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00:45:34.000 Meanwhile, the Republican caucus continues to be a complete hellscape.

00:45:38.000 The Republican caucus in Congress is split between a very small group of Republican Congress people who are clowns and who wish to basically do their clown act on TV for money and notoriety.

00:45:49.000 And the vast majority of Republicans who actually would like to pass bills that they believe are the best thing they can get for America.

00:45:54.000 That doesn't mean the best bill possible.

00:45:56.000 Because the best bill possible is not possible when you have a Democratic Senate and a Democratic President of the United States.

00:46:01.000 You still have to pass funding allocations.

00:46:03.000 You still have to make sure that defense is funded.

00:46:06.000 You still have to make sure, if you're a big fan of the entitlements, the entitlements are funded.

00:46:09.000 These are all things you still have to do.

00:46:11.000 But there's a group of Republican Congress people who have decided that it is very important that they be very famous.

00:46:16.000 And in order to be very famous, they're gonna do things like challenge the speakership of the new Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, who is more conservative on policy than any of them.

00:46:25.000 This would be the same group of clowns who decided to oust Kevin McCarthy for no reason other than Matt Gaetz had some sort of vengeance plan against Kevin McCarthy.

00:46:33.000 And then it turns out they replaced McCarthy, who is doing fine, with Johnson, who's even more conservative than McCarthy.

00:46:38.000 And then Johnson, it turns out, has the same exact incentive structure as every other Speaker of the House.

00:46:43.000 Namely, he has to get things done with an incredibly slim majority.

00:46:46.000 Right now, effectively, a one-vote majority.

00:46:49.000 And then the idea is that they're going to go after Johnson.

00:46:53.000 So here's what needs to happen now.

00:46:54.000 Mike Johnson needs to nuke the stupid rule negotiated by Kevin McCarthy to get the speakership that allows any member a motion to vacate.

00:47:01.000 That needs to die.

00:47:02.000 It's a dumb rule.

00:47:03.000 It's a rule that basically allows one congressperson or a group of five or ten congresspeople to hold hostage the entire Republican caucus.

00:47:10.000 And it means that the caucus is unworkable.

00:47:12.000 It is so much further than the Hastert Rule.

00:47:14.000 The Hastert Rule, which was created by Denny Hastert, who was at one time the Speaker of the House and also a person who ended up having a really, really bad criminal background, but irrelevant to the story, the Hastert Rule Basically was that the Republicans in the majority would not move a bill without a majority of the Republican House supporting it.

00:47:35.000 Well, if that's all that the Republicans required in order to move a bill, in other words, they can move a bill, let's say 150 Republican votes and 80 Democrat votes.

00:47:42.000 Well, then Johnson would have no problem.

00:47:43.000 There are plenty of bills that are just like that.

00:47:45.000 The problem he has right now is that if he moves a bill with a majority of the House Republican caucus and some Democrats, he is afraid that he's going to be ousted as speaker.

00:47:54.000 That's not how the speakership is supposed to work.

00:47:57.000 The Speaker is supposed to be able to do vote counting.

00:47:59.000 The Speaker is supposed to be able to negotiate.

00:48:02.000 Mike Johnson should nuke this dumb rule right now.

00:48:04.000 And if he requires Democrats to help him do it, then he should get Democrats to help him do it.

00:48:08.000 And if you don't like that, you should blame Marjorie Taylor Greene, who's the one who decided to bring the latest quixotic attempt to take down the Speaker of the House for no reason other than to get her name on TV.

00:48:17.000 There is no logic here.

00:48:18.000 There is no rationale here.

00:48:19.000 There is no reason here.

00:48:20.000 This rule needs to die.

00:48:22.000 I'm sick of watching the Republican caucus be dominated by people who have no interest in actual conservative policy and appear to only want to get on TV and talk radio.

00:48:32.000 It's stupid.

00:48:32.000 It's a waste of time.

00:48:35.000 I'm more fiscally conservative than any of these members of Congress.

00:48:38.000 I also recognize there is a reality.

00:48:40.000 That reality is called legislation.

00:48:42.000 It's called a bicameral legislature.

00:48:44.000 It is called the President of the United States of the opposing party.

00:48:46.000 Pretending none of these things exist.

00:48:48.000 And that if you run directly into the wall with your head down, somehow this is going to emerge with you unscathed in all of your shining glory.

00:48:55.000 That's stupid.

00:48:57.000 And I don't believe you when you believe that it's going to emerge with victory.

00:48:59.000 I think that you're grandstanding.

00:49:01.000 And that's what's been happening right now.

00:49:03.000 So Speaker Johnson should go ahead and he should do that, like, forthwith.

00:49:07.000 Because enough.

00:49:08.000 Enough of the Republican caucus being held hostage by, again, a very small group of malcontents in comparison to the broad majority of Republican legislators who are just coming from their districts trying to do their job.

00:49:20.000 This is not a question of purity.

00:49:22.000 This is a question of practicality.

00:49:24.000 Guess what?

00:49:25.000 None of you people in Congress are pure enough for me when it comes to your principles.

00:49:29.000 None of you.

00:49:30.000 I'm full-scale pro-life.

00:49:31.000 I'm full-scale small government.

00:49:33.000 I'm full-scale anti-entitlement.

00:49:35.000 I'm full-scale all of those things.

00:49:36.000 Also, I live in a world where reality exists, and this is incredibly dumb.

00:49:40.000 You gotta let the speaker do his job, and if you won't, if you can be challenged every five seconds, it's a stupid rule and it needs to be nuked immediately.

00:49:47.000 Meanwhile, Speaker Johnson is preparing to unwrap a mystery Ukraine aid package, according to the Wall Street Journal.

00:49:53.000 He's pledging to bring up Ukraine aid for a vote in the House soon after Congress returns from Easter recess in coming days.

00:49:58.000 What the bill will look like will support it remains unsettled because of fractures among Republicans and Democrats over both aid for Kiev and related assistance for Israel.

00:50:04.000 So as it turns out right now, there's a big split in the Republican Party over aid to Ukraine, and there's a big split in the Democratic Party over aid to Israel.

00:50:10.000 And so cobbling the two together, If that bill were to pass, it would pass with probably 300 plus votes in the House of Representatives right now with a broad majority of Republicans and probably a majority of Democrats in favor.

00:50:21.000 It's being held up right now because of all of those splits and really because of this inability to marginalize the marginal.

00:50:29.000 Now, is the bill going to be perfect?

00:50:30.000 No, it's going to include a bunch of crap I don't want.

00:50:32.000 Again, that's not how bills work.

00:50:34.000 You're not going to get to perfect.

00:50:36.000 The question that I have for many of the Republicans who are opposed to Ukraine aid is what is the objection to the Ukraine aid?

00:50:42.000 Not in the amount.

00:50:44.000 That's a reasonable objection.

00:50:46.000 Not in the verification procedures as to where the aid goes.

00:50:48.000 That's a reasonable objection.

00:50:49.000 My question is, if you are a person who full scale believes that we ought to

00:50:53.000 withdraw aid from Ukraine, what is the American hard, realpolitik national

00:50:58.000 interest in watching Russia just take the country? That's my question. Do you

00:51:04.000 believe that without American aid, including the American weaponry, that really is what the aid is?

00:51:08.000 When we sign a check to Ukraine, we're not actually signing a check to Ukraine.

00:51:11.000 We're getting credit on a ledger, and then Ukraine uses it to buy our old weaponry.

00:51:16.000 And that's actually what's happening.

00:51:17.000 But...

00:51:19.000 If you believe that we should cut off aid to Ukraine, here's the question.

00:51:23.000 Are you willing to watch as Vladimir Putin marches into Kiev?

00:51:28.000 Is that what you're willing to do?

00:51:29.000 If the answer is yes, okay, we can have that argument about whether you think that's in America's interest and why.

00:51:34.000 If you're not, then what we're really arguing about is just how much aid should be given to Ukraine to make sure, for example, that they don't lose additional territory.

00:51:42.000 There are really a couple of separate arguments that are happening about Ukraine.

00:51:45.000 Argument number one is the how much territory should Ukraine be given the ability to win back if they had that ability at all?

00:51:52.000 And my answer here has been that Ukraine has tried multiple times to win back the Donbass and Crimea.

00:51:56.000 Those regions of the country are largely pro-Russian in terms of the citizenry.

00:52:00.000 They were even before the invasion of those areas by Russia in 2014.

00:52:03.000 With that said, You can make the case that we shouldn't be giving aid sufficient for, it's a waste of money, it's a waste of time, it's a waste of manpower, to try to take those areas back.

00:52:14.000 You can make the point that you think that the lines of conflict should be frozen as they are.

00:52:18.000 This is kind of where President Trump is.

00:52:20.000 He's saying, you know, freeze the lines of conflict where they are.

00:52:22.000 I've been making that case, by the way, since like April 2022, May 2022.

00:52:25.000 Okay, but if Vladimir Putin is not willing to do that, if he's not willing to make the deal, are you willing to simply abandon Ukraine and let Putin march into Kiev?

00:52:33.000 And if so, please explain how this is in America's national interest.

00:52:37.000 Please, someone.

00:52:39.000 And the answer is, no one will.

00:52:40.000 In fact, many of the same people who are saying that aid to Ukraine should be cut off completely cannot explain why it would be in America's interest to cut off the aid completely.

00:52:48.000 We don't have American boots on the ground in Ukraine.

00:52:50.000 If you want Russia running directly up against NATO, make sure that they are directly abutting several NATO members, including Poland.

00:52:58.000 That hasn't historically been bad at all.

00:53:00.000 That's worked out perfectly historically in the past.

00:53:03.000 So again, Congress is not a pure place.

00:53:06.000 Congress is a place where you cut deals.

00:53:08.000 And that is the reality of the situation.

00:53:10.000 Now, a GOP representative, Mike Turner from Ohio, he says that he doesn't believe that Johnson is at risk of being removed from the speakership if the Ukraine aid gets passed.

00:53:19.000 But here's my point.

00:53:21.000 That shouldn't even be a question.

00:53:24.000 Either you like your Speaker or you don't.

00:53:25.000 If you don't, you should get rid of him and replace him, and you should do so forthwith.

00:53:28.000 If you do, you should protect him such that you can't have a couple of grandstanding politicians who are holding up the business of the Congress.

00:53:35.000 Here's Mike Turner.

00:53:37.000 I don't think he's at any risk.

00:53:38.000 I think that what people have been referring to as the chaos caucus, those individuals who are seeking attention for themselves and trying to stop all of the important work in Congress, are now seen as merely disruptive.

00:53:52.000 Hakeem Jeffries, minority leader on the Democratic side, has made it clear that the Democrats will not join with efforts to unseat Johnson as we, this year, approaching the election, undertake the most important work of Congress.

00:54:05.000 Okay, bottom line here is, if you're a Republican, you shouldn't want the Speaker of the House held hostage by people who are on the margin.

00:54:09.000 security packages pass and of course that our foreign surveillance reauthorization

00:54:13.000 act passes.

00:54:15.000 Okay, bottom line here is if you're a Republican, you shouldn't want the Speaker of the House

00:54:20.000 held hostage by people who are on the margin.

00:54:23.000 You shouldn't.

00:54:24.000 It is bad policy and it means you will lose.

00:54:26.000 Here's your other choice.

00:54:27.000 The other choice is you can continue to have the Speaker of the House unable to do his job.

00:54:30.000 He is the most conservative Speaker of the House in American history, Mike Johnson.

00:54:34.000 Look at his policy preferences.

00:54:35.000 Look at his voting record.

00:54:37.000 This guy is super conservative.

00:54:40.000 And look at that and tell me that what you would rather have is, again, the Congressional Clown Show, as they mentioned the Chaos Caucus, holding up everything.

00:54:49.000 So the Democrats win in November, and then you don't have to worry about it, then you're in the minority and you can all rail against the moon, as much as you damn well please.

00:54:55.000 Alrighty, coming up, it's time to once again pay homage to John Fetterman.

00:54:59.000 John Fetterman, wow, he's actually saying good things.

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