The Ben Shapiro Show - Don Lemon ARRESTED!

00:00:00.000 The DOJ has now arrested Don Lemon.

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00:01:29.000 Well, Don Lemon has been arrested, the former CNN talking head/slash host who went out on his own and formed his own podcast and who then either trailed or was involved with a protest that pretty clearly violated the FACE Act, which was designed to guarantee access to abortion clinics for people who didn't want to go through protests and also designed to protect churches in their actual attempts to perform their services.

00:01:58.000 Well, it turns out that he has now been arrested by federal agents.

00:02:02.000 The federal government had been targeting Lemon ever since he went at very least hand in glove with these protesters to a church in order to disrupt services.

00:02:12.000 According to the New York Times, the former CNN anchor Don Lemon was arrested late Thursday night on charges he violated federal law during a protest at a church in St. Paul, Minnesota.

00:02:20.000 Now, that case had been rejected last week by a magistrate judge.

00:02:24.000 Lemon claims that he was simply reporting as a journalist when he entered the city's church January 18th to observe a demonstration against immigration crackdowns in the area.

00:02:32.000 The protesters then got up and disrupted the service where an ICE official serves as a pastor chanting ICE out.

00:02:39.000 The Trump administration tried to charge eight people over the episode, including Lemon.

00:02:45.000 The magistrate judge approved charges against three of the eight people and rejected the evidence against Lemon and the others as insufficient.

00:02:51.000 So the DOJ petitioned a federal appellate court to force the judge to issue the additional warrants.

00:02:56.000 They were denied.

00:02:57.000 Abby Lowell is the lawyer for Don Lemon, sort of a lawyer to the political stars.

00:03:03.000 He put out a statement, quote, Don Lemon was taken into custody by federal agents last night in Los Angeles where he was covering the Grammy Awards.

00:03:08.000 Don has been a journalist for 30 years.

00:03:10.000 His constitutionally protected work in Minneapolis was no different than what he has always done.

00:03:15.000 And Lowell said this unprecedented attack on the First Amendment and transparent attempt to distract attention from many crises facing this administration will not stand.

00:03:23.000 Don will fight these charges vigorously and thoroughly in court.

00:03:26.000 Now, again, the claim that's being made by the Trump administration is that when these people invaded a church and disrupted services and started shouting at the pastor in violation of the FACE Act, that Lemon wasn't just a person who followed them in there with a microphone or even a journalist who knew beforehand that he was complicit in the organization of the event, that he was involved in a conspiracy to disrupt services here for political purposes.

00:03:51.000 And those are the charges apparently that are being pursued here, conspiring to deprive rights and interfering with someone's religious freedom in a house of worship.

00:03:59.000 Now, again, Lemon claims that he quote unquote didn't even know they were going to this church until we followed them there.

00:04:06.000 Kind of clear that that much at least is not true.

00:04:10.000 Here is a clip from the day of Lemon was pretty clearly in cahoots with the protesters.

00:04:16.000 Speaking to an organization there that's gearing up for resistance and protest.

00:04:21.000 I've been surprised, pleasantly surprised to see the community coming together.

00:04:27.000 Diverse community, if you see this when we first pulled up, we're like, wait a minute, which operation are we at?

00:04:33.000 And as it turns out, because we're like, well, this is kind of MAGA-coded, right?

00:04:37.000 Saw the American flag or whatever, but these are resistance protesters.

00:04:41.000 They're planning an operation that we're going to follow them on.

00:04:43.000 I can't tell you exactly what they're doing, but it's called Operation Pull-Up.

00:04:48.000 And it's Nekema Armstrong, and she has been doing this since George Floyd, Dante Wright, and others, where they surprise people, catch them off guard, and hold them to account.

00:05:00.000 And so that's what we're doing here.

00:05:01.000 And then we're after that, after we do this operation, you'll see it live.

00:05:04.000 And these operations are surprise operations.

00:05:06.000 Again, I can't tell you where they're going and where we're gathered right now.

00:05:10.000 However, and then we're going to head over to Whipple.

00:05:13.000 There we go.

00:05:14.000 Everybody's ready to go.

00:05:16.000 Let's go.

00:05:16.000 Okay.

00:05:19.000 Thank you guys for being.

00:05:20.000 Thanks for allowing me to be here.

00:05:23.000 Thank you guys.

00:05:25.000 Good.

00:05:25.000 How are you?

00:05:26.000 We're on.

00:05:27.000 We're not telling what it is, what's going on, but thank you.

00:05:31.000 Tell us why you're doing this.

00:05:33.000 This is Nakema, Levy Armstrong.

00:05:34.000 She's on the show.

00:05:35.000 I'm Levy Armstrong, civil rights attorney, longtime activist here in the community.

00:05:40.000 And, you know, we protest and do activism in all kinds of ways.

00:05:45.000 This is Operation Pull-up, more of a clandestine operation.

00:05:48.000 We show up somewhere that is a key location.

00:05:53.000 They don't expect us to come there.

00:05:55.000 And then we disrupt business as usual.

00:05:58.000 So that's what we're about to go do right now.

00:06:00.000 We've had a lot of success with the times we have done Operation Pull Up.

00:06:05.000 So again, they're sort of in a random parking lot, and then they proceed to go to the church and disrupt the services.

00:06:12.000 Now, Lemon said once the protest started in the church, we did an active journalism, which was report on it and talk to the people involved, including the pastor, members of the church and members of the organization.

00:06:21.000 That's it.

00:06:22.000 That's called journalism.

00:06:23.000 Now, that seems to be not particularly true, that it was only once the thing started that he decided to join on and that he was really not joined with them.

00:06:32.000 He was just reporting on it.

00:06:34.000 And pretty clearly, they're blurring the lines.

00:06:36.000 Now, to be fair to Lemon and just speaking legally, there is a fine line between a journalist doing a ride-along, even with people who are committing criminal acts, which, by the way, is legal.

00:06:48.000 Journalists do this on a fairly regular basis, and journalists being involved in the planning and commission of the crime.

00:06:53.000 And that's what is being accused.

00:06:55.000 It's being accused that Lemon was involved in the planned and commission of this crime and that he was an integral part of that, presumably, because they wouldn't have done it if they didn't have Lemon there covering it.

00:07:07.000 That they required him as part of the plan.

00:07:09.000 That is going to be the case that is made by the federal government.

00:07:11.000 Now, naturally, people are claiming that this is a crackdown on the First Amendment.

00:07:15.000 They're suggesting that this is an attempt by the Trump administration to quote unquote silence people.

00:07:24.000 That seems a stretch to me.

00:07:26.000 We'll have to see what evidence they have, particularly in terms of prior planning from Lemon and the people who are involved in this.

00:07:33.000 Was he involved in recommending sites that they should go to?

00:07:35.000 Was he involved in organizing transportation?

00:07:37.000 Was he involved in determining how they should protest?

00:07:41.000 Those are going to be the questions that come up in court.

00:07:44.000 But it's pretty clear that Lemon was involved in some capacity.

00:07:49.000 I'm not going to prejudge this thing legally, but for people to claim that there is no shot at all, that the federal government has no case at all, that basically they're just arresting him for being a journalist on the scene.

00:08:00.000 That is a stretch to me.

00:08:01.000 So I'm not going to proclaim guilt or innocence.

00:08:04.000 The alleged crime, again, would be conspiracy that he actually conspired, and we'll have to see the evidence of that.

00:08:08.000 But the attempt to treat this as this is a violation of the First Amendment, it's an attempt to destroy journalistic capability and all the rest.

00:08:18.000 I do not think that that is accurate either.

00:08:21.000 Again, the way the rest of the press is covering this is as a journalistic crackdown.

00:08:25.000 You may have noticed the journalists have been covering what's going on in Minnesota a lot, and none of them have been arrested.

00:08:30.000 The only person who's been arrested at this point is Lemon.

00:08:33.000 And presumably, that's because the federal government is going to have to present evidence that he was involved in a conspiracy to violate the FACE Act.

00:08:41.000 Well, joining me on the line is Mary Margaret Olihan.

00:08:43.000 She, of course, is our Daily Wire White House correspondent.

00:08:45.000 A lot happening this week.

00:08:46.000 Mary Margaret, thanks so much for the time.

00:08:49.000 Good morning, Ben.

00:08:50.000 Great to be here.

00:08:52.000 So let's talk about what's going on with ICE and Minnesota.

00:08:55.000 Obviously, the big news of the day is the arrest of Don Lemon by the Department of Justice.

00:09:01.000 What is the sentiment around the White House around the current situation with regard to ICE in Minnesota?

00:09:05.000 And also, what have you heard regarding the Lemon arrest?

00:09:09.000 Well, actually, Ben, I was at the screening of Melania at the Kennedy Center last night, and I bumped into Harmine Dylan, who told me she had recently been in California for some meetings.

00:09:19.000 And at the time, I thought maybe she had just been there, you know, to enjoy the California weather when it's so freezing here in Washington, D.C.

00:09:26.000 But turns out her meetings probably had something to do with this arrest.

00:09:31.000 Don Lemon is now facing charges from the DOJ as the DOJ had warned that he would.

00:09:37.000 And, you know, this has been predicted by the DOJ that it's been coming.

00:09:40.000 I believe Harmit has hinted about this online.

00:09:43.000 She's the assistant civil rights, or she's the assistant attorney for the civil rights division at the DOJ.

00:09:50.000 And now it has, in fact, happened.

00:09:52.000 We haven't seen a ton of reactions from the White House yet.

00:09:56.000 This is breaking news, and everyone, of course, is kind of reeling from this news.

00:10:00.000 Lemon and others are trying to portray it as a, you know, a violation of his rights as a journalist.

00:10:06.000 But we do know that he was part of this attack, if you want to call it that, on this church.

00:10:10.000 These people were praying.

00:10:12.000 And this attack occurred because the pastor had alleged ICE associations.

00:10:17.000 But Ben, as we know, he was leading a service worshiping God with these other churchgoers.

00:10:23.000 And at the end of the day, these protesters went into this church and disrupted this worship of God.

00:10:30.000 And the DOJ has deemed that this incident constituted an attack.

00:10:36.000 And something that I found really interesting, Ben, and I know you do as well.

00:10:40.000 Our colleague Luke Roziak had reported earlier this week that the top staffer for Hennepin County's Soros-backed prosecutor was among those protesters that stormed into that church.

00:10:51.000 So James Lundy, one of those protesters, works as an intergovernmental affairs coordinator for Hennepin County.

00:10:58.000 And he's married to St. Paul City Council member Anika Bowie.

00:11:02.000 And he's running for a seat in the state legislature as a Democrat.

00:11:06.000 This is all as the Department of Justice was pursuing federal charges against the protesters.

00:11:11.000 And he was the very staffer that would interface with the federal government.

00:11:15.000 Now, Lundy was arrested with Don Lemon early this morning, according to Pam Bonnie.

00:11:20.000 He was arrested with three other people in connection with this coordinated attack on the city's church in St. Paul, Minnesota.

00:11:27.000 And it just shows you the level of intertwinement between these protesters, between these activists, and a lot of these local city officials in Minneapolis.

00:11:38.000 Mary Margaret, on a broader level, obviously what's going on in Minnesota has eaten up an enormous amount of the administration's time and effort.

00:11:45.000 And there has been some pretty obvious conflict inside the administration in terms of the viewpoints expressed publicly with regard to the killing of Alex Predi, for example, the deployment of Tom Homan to Minneapolis.

00:11:56.000 What's the mood inside the White House?

00:11:58.000 What are you hearing in terms of potential conflicts between, say, Stephen Miller, Christy Noam, Tom Homan?

00:12:04.000 Because the approaches seem to be pretty different.

00:12:05.000 And obviously, the demotion of Greg Bovino, the movement of him away from Minneapolis, says something about the administration's shift in approach.

00:12:13.000 Absolutely.

00:12:14.000 I mean, Tom Holman's presence in Minneapolis is kind of a repudiation of Christy Noam and Bovino, Christy Noam-Lewandowski team.

00:12:22.000 We know they were here at the White House earlier this week meeting with the president, Christy Noam and Corey Lewandowski for a private meeting for, I believe, two hours after it was announced that Tom Holman was heading to Minneapolis.

00:12:34.000 And now he is in fact there.

00:12:35.000 He gave this presser yesterday morning where he just kind of calmly delivered his thoughts on the process to the whole country, perhaps the whole world.

00:12:45.000 And he calmly told everyone that things were not going to proceed as they had been.

00:12:50.000 We've been hearing from Jenny Terr, who's our fantastic immigration reporter, that there's going to be some changes and already have been some changes to who DHS is apprehending, who their targets are.

00:13:02.000 She's been doing a lot of great reporting on that.

00:13:04.000 And I know she's got some great DHS sources that are sharing that information with her.

00:13:08.000 But as of right now, you know, we saw right away from the White House top figures condemning Alex Predty as a domestic terrorist.

00:13:16.000 I think we've seen a little bit more caution and restraint in recent days as we wait for the results of this investigation into what exactly happened there.

00:13:24.000 But the release of that footage, the clip from a BBC-affiliated outlet did show us a side of Alex Predty that many people, you know, many people across the board, but especially on the left, had wanted to say didn't exist.

00:13:38.000 You know, he was portrayed to us as a very kind, loving soul, ICU nurse who would never have harmed anyone.

00:13:46.000 But that footage did, in fact, show that he was kicking the taillights out of ICE officers' vehicles, begging them to assault him.

00:13:52.000 And keep in mind, you know, I'm in Washington, D.C. I've been on numerous news shows this week where I've had everyone telling me that this was a kind and good man and that, you know, the Trump White House was unfairly demonizing him.

00:14:07.000 Well, you know, the video does not necessarily change the other videos we saw involving the death of Alex Preddy, but it does show us, as we know, that this was not the man that he was painted to be.

00:14:17.000 He was violent.

00:14:18.000 He was antagonizing ICE.

00:14:20.000 And we don't know if there were other incidents involving him in the same way.

00:14:22.000 So I think the Trump White House views that video as a partial vindication for their rhetoric on this, which they've gotten a lot of criticism for.

00:14:29.000 And President Trump himself actually put out a statement this morning talking about Alex Predi and has some very harsh words for him and talked about the video and how it showed that a lot of people have been lying about Alex Predty and going so far as MSNBC did to kind of face-tune him and make him a more handsome man, more appealing to the crowds online who have been glorifying him as a saint.

00:14:53.000 So this is a tumultuous, ever-moving news cycle.

00:14:57.000 And I have to believe we're going to see more footage coming out soon.

00:15:00.000 Tom Holman's presence in Minneapolis, I think, has had a slightly calming effect for now, but it remains to be seen what will come next and whether Christy Noam will ultimately be replaced here.

00:15:12.000 We're hearing some names floated and that would be quite the shakeup here in Washington.

00:15:20.000 Mary Margaret, you had the opportunity to ask spokespeople for Gavin Newsom about his recent press office comment.

00:15:27.000 He has this sort of checkered history with the press office.

00:15:30.000 Obviously, I asked him on his own podcast about the fact that his press office had suggested that ICE was engaged in state-sponsored terrorism, the killing of Renee Good.

00:15:37.000 And then his press office put out a statement via their ex account, which is always quite lit, suggesting that Greg Bovino was a member of the SS, that he was a member of the Gestapo.

00:15:49.000 And you had the opportunity to ask the Newsom team about that.

00:15:52.000 Their response seemed to be, shall we say, less conciliatory than Newsom's response directly to me when I asked him about similar matters.

00:15:59.000 Absolutely, Ben.

00:16:00.000 I mean, the contrast was startling.

00:16:02.000 And you have to wonder if Newsom is perhaps more interested in being a charmer in person than his staff is in echoing what he exactly means.

00:16:10.000 Look, I watched that clip of you and Newsom, where he really conceded that his rhetoric on ICE was putting, was not a, not a good idea at the bare minimum.

00:16:20.000 And then when I reached out to his spokesman earlier this week, as I was writing a story on all of these Democrats comparing ICE to Nazis, to Gestapo, to the SS, I said to his spokesman, do you stand by this portrayal of Greg Bovino as Gestapo?

00:16:35.000 And his spokesman replied with a very sassily worded message saying, yes, we do stand by it.

00:16:40.000 That's what he looks like.

00:16:41.000 And I followed up and said, does Gavin Newsom support these portrayals from people like Tim Walsh of ICE as Nazis?

00:16:48.000 And again, the spokesman followed up and said, well, what else do you consider people who murder people in cold blood?

00:16:54.000 So there's no backing down in that quarter.

00:16:56.000 Newsom, absolutely.

00:16:58.000 Newsom's staff is portraying this in a very aggressive light.

00:17:02.000 And no matter what Newsom is saying to you on his podcast or portraying himself as a moderate on this issue or any other, it appears that his staff is not actually interested in that image.

00:17:12.000 And he might be trying to play it both ways.

00:17:16.000 Well, Mary Margaret Olihan doing a fantastic job as always from the White House.

00:17:20.000 She's our Daily Wire White House correspondent.

00:17:22.000 Mary Margaret, really appreciate the time.

00:17:24.000 Thank you, Ben.

00:17:26.000 All right, coming up more on the continued conflict in Minnesota.

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00:19:05.000 Now, all of this just highlights the continued conflict in Minnesota.

00:19:10.000 Democrats are trying to claim victory in Minnesota that they've gotten the Trump administration to back off from immigration enforcement.

00:19:15.000 The Trump administration, meanwhile, is saying, listen, we just are trying to work with you guys in order to effectuate the enforcement of immigration law.

00:19:22.000 President Trump last night was asked at a premiere for Melania, which is the documentary about his wife, the first lady.

00:19:30.000 He was asked about whether there was a drawdown that was going to happen in Minneapolis, and President Trump said no.

00:19:36.000 We're going to be pulling back immigration enforcement agents out of Minnesota.

00:19:40.000 We're trying to keep our country safe.

00:19:41.000 We'll do whatever we can to keep our country safe.

00:19:43.000 So, yeah, pulling back?

00:19:45.000 No, no, not at all.

00:19:49.000 Well, that is, I think, the correct approach.

00:19:53.000 Obviously, the federal government cannot pull back thanks to the heckler's veto or the rioters' veto.

00:19:58.000 Tom Homan, again, the person who should have been in charge of this operation all along.

00:20:02.000 He is in Minneapolis.

00:20:03.000 He says he's going to stay there until everything that has to be done is done.

00:20:07.000 He says, I've been enforcing the law under six presidents, and I will continue to enforce the law today.

00:20:13.000 For the people out there who don't like what ISA is doing, if you want certain laws reformed, then take it up with Congress.

00:20:20.000 Again, ISIS making this up.

00:20:22.000 They're enforcing laws enacted by Congress and signed by president.

00:20:25.000 The same laws have been on the books for the last six presidents I worked for.

00:20:30.000 I started with President Reagan and ending with President Trump.

00:20:35.000 Every administration, we enforce the same laws.

00:20:41.000 If you don't like what ISA is doing, instead of protesting this building, go to protest Congress.

00:20:47.000 Tell me we want changes.

00:20:51.000 I wish that Homan had been in charge of this operation from the beginning.

00:20:54.000 I think the Trump administration would be in much better PR shape, were that the case.

00:20:58.000 Democrats, for their part, continue to push the pedal to the metal, believing that they have the upper hand here.

00:21:02.000 Jacob Fry, the mayor of Minneapolis, he's out there proclaiming that America has rejected the quote-unquote law of the jungle.

00:21:08.000 Well, actually, disobeying federal law, violating federal law, obstructing the enforcement of federal law, and instead allowing those who violate the law to take control of the city, that's the law of the jungle, not the federal government doing its job.

00:21:24.000 Time and again, America has rejected the law of the jungle.

00:21:30.000 Time and again, America has rejected this notion that might makes right.

00:21:37.000 That notion and that belief that we are of something greater than simply force has allowed our country to rise in international influence and allowed great cities to be laboratories of democracy.

00:21:51.000 We must reject the notion that might makes right again and again.

00:21:59.000 Man, is he obnoxious?

00:22:01.000 I mean, truly, just the white Zorhan Mamdani. 0.98

00:22:04.000 He is insipid.

00:22:07.000 This notion that America rejects the law of the jungle by embracing chaos in the streets is totally nincum poopish and un-American.

00:22:17.000 Fry, by the way, then says your city is next.

00:22:19.000 Well, no, it's not.

00:22:20.000 My city is down here in Florida where we enforce the laws and actually work with the federal government in order to ensure that criminal illegal immigrants are deported.

00:22:27.000 So actually, I'm not worried that my city is next.

00:22:29.000 Mayor Fry.

00:22:32.000 This is not a time to bend our heads into despair or how to fear that he may be next because if we do not speak up, if we do not step down, it will be your city that is the next.

00:22:46.000 No, it won't.

00:22:47.000 And this whole narrative, I think the Democrats, as I've said before, are winning this battle, but they are going to lose the war because it turns out that in the short term, Americans like not having ugly pictures on their TV.

00:22:58.000 And in the long term, they do need workable policy that solves their problems.

00:23:03.000 Tim Walz, supposed voice of moderation, is not moderating at all either.

00:23:07.000 He did an interview with the Atlantic in which he claimed that we are nearing the point of a civil war in the country.

00:23:13.000 Quote, I mean, is this a Fort Sumter?

00:23:17.000 He says it's a physical assault.

00:23:18.000 It's an armed force that's assaulting, that's killing my constituents, my citizens.

00:23:24.000 Again, I'm not sure I've seen a politician as eager to capitalize off tragedy as Tim Walz in the recent past.

00:23:28.000 It's pretty astonishing.

00:23:29.000 The guy was in serious political trouble, so bad that he had to withdraw from his third-term gubernatorial run in Minnesota.

00:23:36.000 And now he's trying to make his way as leader of the resistance.

00:23:42.000 He was asked specifically by a columnist for the Atlantic, Isaac Stanley Becker, if he thought that America was barreling toward an internal armed struggle.

00:23:52.000 And he said, quote, I don't want to alarm people.

00:23:55.000 But he said some of his constituents think he should call in the National Guard and arrest ICE.

00:23:59.000 Okay, first of all, they don't have the power to do that.

00:24:03.000 The fact that Walls continues to up the ante here, despite the fact that Homan is pretty clearly just looking for some sort of off-ramp and the continued enforcement of federal law, demonstrates how politicized this has become for Walls and for Fry.

00:24:17.000 He put out a statement yesterday: quote, Minnesota is grieving, but we're resolved.

00:24:20.000 The support we've received from across the country has energized us and given us hope.

00:24:23.000 It's time for the federal government to draw down their forces and let us get back to allowing freedom, opportunity, and security for everyone.

00:24:30.000 But again, this is the government that has administered billions of dollars in fraud.

00:24:36.000 This is the government that has prevented the implementation of federal immigration law.

00:24:43.000 Democrats in the state seem to want the chaos.

00:24:45.000 Again, I've said this all along.

00:24:46.000 It's a chaos operation that they are attempting, and it has been successful on a PR level.

00:24:50.000 But in the end, Americans are not going to like the idea of chaos in their streets.

00:24:54.000 The federal government ejected from cities where they're just simply attempting to arrest and deport illegal immigrants.

00:25:01.000 The media, by the way, are doing their best to run cover for all of this.

00:25:04.000 So CNN's Brianna Keillor was interviewing the ex-ICE director for President Trump.

00:25:12.000 And he was saying, listen, they're trying to refocus on arresting criminal, illegal immigrants. 0.92

00:25:16.000 And Keillor continued to try and up the ante.

00:25:20.000 But the prioritization are going to be criminal aliens, public safety threats, and national security threats.

00:25:26.000 Is that an admission that those things were not the priority before?

00:25:30.000 I don't think so.

00:25:30.000 I think it's always been the priority, but I think what President Trump said the other day, this is an adjustment.

00:25:35.000 Am I hearing you right?

00:25:36.000 You're saying you don't actually expect any changes in terms of who is going to be prioritized?

00:25:41.000 I don't know in terms of what the priorities seem to be criminals before, but I think it'll be a very tailored and focused approach.

00:25:48.000 So when Homan is actually emphasizing the prioritization of criminal aliens and public safety threats, he's not actually emphasizing anything new.

00:25:58.000 I just want to be clear.

00:25:59.000 That's your read on this.

00:26:00.000 He's not emphasizing anything new.

00:26:02.000 He's not.

00:26:03.000 Let me finish this.

00:26:04.000 You've asked it like three times.

00:26:05.000 I mean, I'm trying to answer the question.

00:26:06.000 Because it sounds like you're just saying no.

00:26:09.000 I mean, the truth is that Homan is not emphasizing anything new.

00:26:13.000 It is just that the people who were before him in the PR line did a poor job of explaining what the administration was doing.

00:26:19.000 Meanwhile, in terms of enforcing the law, the Department of Justice has charged Ilhan Omar's alleged attacker on Thursday, as should happen.

00:26:29.000 The person charged was a 55-year-old charged with, quote, forcibly assaulting, opposing, impeding, intimidating an officer and employee of the United States while she was performing her congressional duties at a Tuesday night town hall in Minneapolis.

00:26:41.000 This is when she was sprayed with what apparently was apple cider vinegar.

00:26:47.000 That is what the DOJ should, in fact, be doing.

00:26:50.000 Ilhana Omar is out there promoting herself on the back of this, as per our usual arrangement.

00:26:55.000 She still has no answers, by the way, as to why her husband's winery is suddenly worth tens of millions of dollars.

00:27:02.000 And so I know that there's always been an attempt to smear my character, to smear the character of the community that I ethnically belong to.

00:27:12.000 There's always this sort of sad reference to the fact that I'm a refugee.

00:27:17.000 It seems like these people seem to have a problem with the fact that I am living the American dream.

00:27:26.000 No, that is not the problem.

00:27:28.000 The problem is that the American dream is not coming here, possibly under fraudulent immigration circumstances, and then proceeding to run for Congress on the basis of really disliking the country and all of its allies and maybe participating in some shady financial practice.

00:27:44.000 None of that is the American dream.

00:27:45.000 That's the problem people have.

00:27:46.000 But good on the Trump administration for enforcing the law.

00:27:49.000 The Democrats continue to undermine the law.

00:27:53.000 So Mikey Sherroll, the new governor of New Jersey.

00:27:57.000 And it seems as though the National Democrats are swirling more and more around a radical interpretation of the circumstances.

00:28:04.000 And that's going to be a fail for them.

00:28:05.000 It is not smart.

00:28:05.000 It really is.

00:28:07.000 Mikey Sherrill announces that she is going to seek surveillance for ICE agents in New Jersey.

00:28:13.000 We are not going to allow any ICE raids to be staged from state properties.

00:28:18.000 And we are also going to be standing up a portal so people can upload all their cell phone videos and alert people.

00:28:25.000 Like, if you see an ICE agent in the street, get your phone out.

00:28:33.000 I mean, this is the routine they're running now.

00:28:36.000 ICE is the enemy, ICE are Nazis, and all of the rest. 0.54

00:28:40.000 Speaking of which, the number of Democrats who have called ICE Gestapo at this point is incredibly high.

00:28:48.000 That now includes Governor Gavin Newsom.

00:28:51.000 The governor's press office wrote on January 25th on ex Gestapo Greg, referring to Greg Bovino, says filming ICE agents with your cell phone is assault and justifies them shooting you in cold blood.

00:29:02.000 Now, I'm just going to point out here that I literally asked the governor not to use this kind of language with regard to ICE.

00:29:09.000 He had called the shooting of Renee Good state-sponsored terrorism via his press office, and then he had backed off of that, saying that that was a mistake.

00:29:16.000 He was asked by the Daily Wire if he stood by his Gestapo Greg remarks, and Newsom's spokesperson, Izzy Garden, responded, quote, absolutely.

00:29:24.000 Gestapo Greg is an SS soldier cosplay.

00:29:29.000 This is such a political mistake for Democrats.

00:29:32.000 Truly, it is crazy. 0.96

00:29:33.000 It is akin to the abolish the police, ACAB, all cops are bastards kind of stuff that Democrats were pushing back in 2020. 0.97

00:29:40.000 Short-term gain, long-term pain for Democrats. 1.00

00:29:43.000 This is really quite foolish. 0.97

00:29:44.000 By the way, that's a point being made by David Axelrod. 0.98

00:29:47.000 David Axelrod yesterday said, you know, you guys suggesting that Democrats ought to defund ICE, that is a huge political fail.

00:29:54.000 I think people believe you should come to the country legally.

00:29:58.000 And if you don't, you know, there should be some there should be some penalty for that.

00:30:06.000 They do believe that.

00:30:07.000 Well, you know, the problem that we've seen before when people said abolish the police or defund police.

00:30:13.000 I don't think people, most people mention, I don't think most people who said it believe that there should be no policing function in cities, but the implication was that there could be.

00:30:23.000 So I don't think Democrats want to get into that again.

00:30:27.000 I do think they want fundamental root and branch reform.

00:30:30.000 And if it means getting rid of the name ICE, which has become a very bad brand, that's one thing.

00:30:36.000 If it means that we're just going to abandon immigration enforcement, I don't think Democrats or Republicans would support that in large numbers.

00:30:46.000 And he is right about that.

00:30:47.000 And yet Democrats seem to be embracing this position, which is quite insane.

00:30:52.000 Some are not.

00:30:53.000 Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, who wants to campaign as a moderate, presumably when he runs for president in 2028, he says that he is hoping that all levels of the government cooperate.

00:31:03.000 Do you support state and local authorities cooperating with ICE on their job?

00:31:09.000 We're not a sanctuary state in Pennsylvania.

00:31:12.000 Philadelphia is a sanctuary city, but we're not a sanctuary state.

00:31:15.000 And I do believe in law enforcement collaboration at all levels, local, state, and federal.

00:31:21.000 But I also believe that all of your partners need to be working together on a mission that is constitutional, working together on a mission that reduces crime, that brings law and order to a community, and that protects people's constitutional rights.

00:31:38.000 Again, this is going to be the proper Democratic position, but that is not what they're going to say in the moment.

00:31:44.000 And that is what's amazing.

00:31:45.000 The Democrats always feel the necessity to try to outrace their most extreme supporters.

00:31:51.000 Hillary Clinton is jumping into that, by the way. 0.99

00:31:53.000 I don't know why people still think that people want to hear from Hillary Clinton. 0.70

00:31:56.000 I don't know why Democrats want to hear from Hillary Clinton. 0.72

00:31:58.000 If Hillary Clinton had run a half-decent race in 2016, the entire Trump era probably never would have happened. 0.99

00:32:03.000 Just kind of astonishing.

00:32:04.000 Whenever they bring her back up, try to revive her.

00:32:08.000 It's kind of insane.

00:32:09.000 She has an entire piece at The Atlantic entitled MAGA's War on Empathy.

00:32:13.000 And it's all about how, of course, Republicans don't care enough.

00:32:16.000 And that's what's really the problem is Republicans don't care enough. 0.93

00:32:19.000 And this is such tiresome nonsense. 0.68

00:32:21.000 It's tiresome.

00:32:22.000 And the reason it's tiresome is because caring about things does not necessarily mean that you have the solution to the problems.

00:32:30.000 The question in politics is how do you solve the problems of people?

00:32:33.000 Caring is not enough.

00:32:36.000 Being empathetic is not enough.

00:32:38.000 And empathy, when misdirected towards specific groups at the expense of other groups, is a real problem, as psychologist Paul Bloom has written about extensively.

00:32:46.000 But according to Hillary Clinton, it's all about the lack of empathy. 1.00

00:32:48.000 Again, what she's doing here politically is she's pushing on what is a sore spot for the Trump administration, because the Trump administration sort of makes a virtue out of bravado. 0.99

00:32:57.000 And so she's trying to push back against that by being the kinder, softer party.

00:33:01.000 That's what she's doing here. 0.96

00:33:04.000 She says, the crisis reveals a deeper moral rot at the heart of Trump's MAGA movement.

00:33:08.000 Whatever you think about immigration policy, how can a person of conscience justify the lack of compassion and empathy for the victims in Minnesota and for the families torn apart or hiding in fear, for the children separated from their parents or afraid to go to school?

00:33:19.000 That compassion is weak and cruelty is strong has become an article of MAGA faith.

00:33:24.000 Trump and his allies believe the more inhumane the treatment, the more likely it is to spread fear.

00:33:27.000 And that's the goal of surging heavily armed federal forces into blue states. 1.00

00:33:31.000 Other recent presidents, and then she names Biden, Obama, Bush, and Clinton, managed to deport millions of undocumented immigrants without turning American cities into battlegrounds or making a show of keeping children in cages.

00:33:41.000 Okay, this is just, it's just horsepucky.

00:33:44.000 Okay, it's just nonsense.

00:33:44.000 It's not true.

00:33:45.000 Barack Obama is the children in cages guy.

00:33:49.000 And the vaunted empathy of Barack Obama led to riots in the streets.

00:33:54.000 The vaunted empathy of Joe Biden led to some of the worst policy failures in the history of the United States.

00:34:00.000 But I guess when Democrats don't have political victory, they have to go for empathy instead.

00:34:06.000 Well, on the political level, it appears that President Trump and Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader, have now reached a deal to stave off a government shutdown.

00:34:14.000 According to Fox News, Senate Democrats and the White House reached a deal to fund the government.

00:34:18.000 Lawmakers aren't out of the woods on averting a partial shutdown.

00:34:20.000 So apparently, Schumer and Trump labored over a deal from late night Wednesday until Thursday evening after the top Senate Democrat unleashed several funding demands and the White House accused Schumer of blocking a meeting with rank-and-file Democrats.

00:34:33.000 Trump said in a post-on-truth social, the only thing that can slow our country down is another long and damaging government shutdown.

00:34:40.000 Schumer said the separation of the five bipartisan bills the Democrats asked for, plus the two-week DHS continuing resolution has been agreed to.

00:34:46.000 So they've staved off a government shutdown for a couple of weeks here.

00:34:51.000 And a full government shutdown will not happen.

00:34:52.000 Now, the question is going to be what happens with DHS.

00:34:55.000 President Trump said, I'm working hard with Congress to ensure that we are able to fully fund the government without delay.

00:35:00.000 Republicans and Democrats in Congress have come together to get the vast majority of the government funded until September, while at the same time providing an extension to DHS.

00:35:10.000 The deal brokered would have the DHS funding bill stripped from the six-bill package.

00:35:15.000 Schumer and Democrats have been adamant that if the bill were sidelined, they would vote for the remaining five.

00:35:20.000 So there will be a short-term funding extension for DHS.

00:35:24.000 That came after there was a test vote that happened yesterday on the funding package where Senate Democrats and seven other Republicans basically killed that funding bill.

00:35:36.000 So that is the current status of negotiations.

00:35:40.000 Democrats, for what it's worth, are trying to cripple DHS without defunding DHS.

00:35:46.000 As the Daily Wire's Virginia Kruda and Jenny Tayer report, they're attempting a backdoor amnesty by changing the law.

00:35:54.000 One issue that apparently has Democrats coalescing is a requirement we've talked about on the show that federal agents acquire judicial warrants rather than administrative warrants for immigration arrests.

00:36:04.000 And they're really pushing hard on this.

00:36:06.000 One source told the Daily Wire there would be no more immigration arrests.

00:36:09.000 It's the functional equivalent of getting a warrant before issuing a speeding ticket.

00:36:12.000 It's the entire reason why administrative arrests exist in the first place.

00:36:15.000 If every single illegal alien who is charged with entry without inspection was treated like a criminal arrest, they would have, among other things, right to counsel provided by the United States.

00:36:24.000 And that would be impossible. 0.86

00:36:26.000 So the goal, presumably, for Democrats would be to kill immigration enforcement.

00:36:30.000 Republicans are not going to go for any of that.

00:36:34.000 So Democrats are going to continue to try to campaign on this.

00:36:37.000 I think Homan is bringing down the temperature. 0.95

00:36:39.000 President Trump is trying to bring down the temperature.

00:36:41.000 And it seems to me that Democrats are now engaged in a massive overstep, which I assume is one reason they're focusing in like a laser beam on the Don Lemon arrest, trying to claim that Trump is shutting down the First Amendment for going after Lemon.

00:36:53.000 And we'll see the evidence provided by the DOJ in pursuit of a conviction of Don Lemon in terms of violation of the FACE Act.

00:37:00.000 In other big news, the president has now selected a new Fed chair.

00:37:03.000 That person is Kevin Warsh.

00:37:06.000 There is some speculation that might be Kevin Hassett.

00:37:08.000 Warsh is definitely a better pick.

00:37:11.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, President Trump said on Friday that he would nominate Warsh to be the next chairman of the Federal Reserve.

00:37:17.000 He put out a statement saying, I've known Kevin for a long period of time and have no doubt he will go down as one of the great Fed chairmen, maybe the best.

00:37:22.000 On top of everything else, he has central casting and he will never let you down.

00:37:26.000 You got to love the fact that President Trump kind of picks his cabinet officials based on how they look on TV.

00:37:31.000 Warsh is quite good on TV, by the way.

00:37:33.000 And his economic philosophy is really interesting.

00:37:35.000 It is growth-oriented for sure.

00:37:38.000 He had served on the Fed's board of governors from 2006 to 2011.

00:37:43.000 He would succeed, obviously, Jerome Powell in mid-May.

00:37:47.000 It is Trump, by the way, who decided that it would be Powell and not Warsh originally.

00:37:51.000 He will have to be confirmed by the Senate.

00:37:54.000 Senator Tom Tillis, who sits on the banking committee, wrote on social media that Warsh is a qualified nominee with a deep understanding of monetary policy.

00:38:02.000 But he also wants the DOJ probe of the Federal Reserve and particularly of Jerome Powell to go away before there is any sort of confirmation, because the idea is that that is a pressure tactic on whoever is the Fed chair to lower the interest rates.

00:38:18.000 President Trump wants lower interest rates.

00:38:20.000 Warsh left the Fed 15 years ago.

00:38:22.000 He has spent much of the time since cataloging how he thought the institution was going astray.

00:38:28.000 The Wall Street Journal says that the transition could mark the most significant changing of the guard at the Fed since 1979, when Paul Volcker took over and dramatically reoriented the institution's approach to inflation.

00:38:39.000 Every chair since Greenspan replaced Volcker has emphasized continuity with his or her predecessor.

00:38:44.000 Warsh wants a clear rupture, a wholesale rethinking of the Fed's asset holdings policy framework, role in the economy, and relationship with the executive branch.

00:38:53.000 So, what exactly does he want?

00:38:56.000 Well, the Wall Street Journal editorial board is very much in favor of the Warsh pick.

00:39:02.000 As they point out, Warsh has been arguably the leading voice in public life for reforming the Fed.

00:39:06.000 He left the board of governors in 2011 after Chairman Ben Bernanke made vast bond buying a permanent part of Fed policy rather than an emergency resort.

00:39:14.000 Warsh at the time said that the Fed in its quantitative easing, that is where the Federal Reserve essentially buys bonds from banks to inject liquidity into the economy.

00:39:22.000 So we have this weird rigma role in the American government where the Treasury Department issues bonds.

00:39:27.000 The bonds are sold via this special VIP group of banks.

00:39:32.000 A huge chunk of those bonds are then sold to the Federal Reserve, which holds the bonds and puts a bunch of assets, like money, on the balance sheet of the banks.

00:39:42.000 And then the banks lend that money out.

00:39:44.000 That is one of the ways that you end up with more money in the economy because the Federal Reserve basically creates a number on paper.

00:39:49.000 It passes that number along to the banks.

00:39:50.000 The banks then lend that money out.

00:39:52.000 That's how you inject liquidity via quantitative easing.

00:39:56.000 Warsh is an inflation hawk, but he has a plan to both lower the interest rates and keep inflation low.

00:40:04.000 He says that the Federal Reserve has taken on far too broad a role in economic policy, which, of course, is exactly right. 0.64

00:40:09.000 He wrote in April 2025, in my view, forays Farafield, for all seasons and all reasons, have led to systemic errors in macroeconomic policy.

00:40:17.000 The Fed has acted more as a general purpose agency of government than as a narrow central bank.

00:40:22.000 He says they've wandered into fiscal policy with their bond buying, basically buying up a bunch of assets in order to bolster federal spending.

00:40:32.000 And that's not even including the climate change and financial regulations pushed by the Biden administration.

00:40:39.000 So what exactly is Kevin Warsh's plan?

00:40:41.000 Well, first, you sort of have to understand how the Federal Reserve generally injects liquidity into the economy or removes it.

00:40:48.000 There are a lot of vehicles for doing so.

00:40:49.000 The two main ones in the past several decades have been one, something called open markets operations.

00:40:54.000 This is where the Federal Reserve buys those bonds from the banks, as we mentioned.

00:40:58.000 They, of course, are getting them from the Treasury Department.

00:41:00.000 This injects money into the bank accounts of the banks, and then the banks lend that money out, right?

00:41:05.000 So that means more liquidity, more availability for loans in the economy.

00:41:09.000 And then there is something called the federal funds rate, which is the interest rate offered by the Federal Reserve for banks to keep their money there.

00:41:15.000 So if you keep your money in a Federal Reserve bank and you're a bank that has its reserves there, the Federal Reserve offers a particular interest rate.

00:41:21.000 When that interest rate is low, that encourages banks not to put their money with the Federal Reserve, but instead to lend it out for the prospective gain.

00:41:28.000 If a bank, just like you, if you can keep your money in the bank at 2% or invest it at 7%, you're going to invest it at 7%.

00:41:34.000 The same thing is true of banks.

00:41:36.000 So in the past, we have participated in massive open market operations, right?

00:41:41.000 That's what we're talking about with Ben Bernanke.

00:41:43.000 That's what we're talking about with Alan Greenspan.

00:41:45.000 And that's really what we've been talking about for the past several years, consistent bond buying by the Federal Reserve, injecting liquidity into the economy that way.

00:41:55.000 That's what quantitative easing was kind of broad scale.

00:41:58.000 And also, we had a low federal funds rate, which, again, encouraged banks to inject more liquidity into the economy.

00:42:05.000 Kevin Warsh believes this is a screwed up way of doing things that encouraged inflation under Joe Biden because you were injecting liquidity both via buying bonds and also by keeping the FFR low, but also stagnation as we move forward because of the inflation, we're now having to increase the federal funds rate, right?

00:42:22.000 That's what we mean.

00:42:23.000 We say we're increasing the interest rate in order to quash inflation.

00:42:26.000 We're making it so that banks would rather keep their money at the Federal Reserve than actually send it out for investment.

00:42:34.000 So he thinks that essentially we gummed up the works, that the banks sold bonds to the Fed, which made money for the banks.

00:42:41.000 And then the banks, instead of spending that money or putting that money out into the world, parked their money at the Fed to earn the 5% interest rate.

00:42:49.000 And so the investment economy, he thinks, is stuck.

00:42:52.000 So his goal is to have the Federal Reserve sell off a gigantic portion of its bonds.

00:42:58.000 This would remove reserves from the banks and also mean the Federal Reserve is no longer subsidizing the least effective parts of the economy, the government-driven parts of the economy.

00:43:07.000 Also, simultaneously lower those interest rates, which is what President Trump wants.

00:43:11.000 And this would then encourage banks to invest in Main Street and business rather than just parking their money at the Federal Reserve.

00:43:18.000 This would simultaneously reduce the risk of a major bond-lead implosion when all of those bonds come due and the Federal Reserve has to pay it off and inflate the currency in order to do that.

00:43:26.000 And it would stimulate economic growth.

00:43:28.000 And so his assumption is normally when you end up selling a bunch of bonds back into the market, that means that the bond rates for future bonds have to rise.

00:43:38.000 Because if you can buy a bond really cheap right now, when the market is flooded, then in order to get people to buy new bonds, you have to have a higher facial interest rate.

00:43:47.000 What he's hoping is that that won't happen because instead, people will invest in bonds based on the fact that they know that the American economy is growing.

00:43:56.000 So driving more money into the AI investment arena via lower FFR and also getting rid of the bonds at the Federal Reserve level, he's hoping this will ungum the works, essentially.

00:44:08.000 And you'll get an honest level of inflation in the economy that is very low and also high growth rates.

00:44:13.000 That is what he is looking for.

00:44:15.000 And all of that is predicated on significant long-term growth for the United States.

00:44:21.000 This is what he was writing back in November of 2025 or a piece for the Wall Street Journal.

00:44:26.000 What he said was, America's real comparative advantage is its workers of all stripes everywhere from factory floors to drilling rigs, corporate cubicles to garage startups who devise new ways of doing business.

00:44:38.000 The result is a revitalized nation of doers, risk takers, and entrepreneur Mark Andreessen's simple framing, builders.

00:44:44.000 He says Wall Street and Silicon Valley are booming, and U.S. workers are finally getting a step up in their real take-home pay.

00:44:50.000 Even so, the benefits of the American juggernaut are yet to be fully realized.

00:44:53.000 Among the chief obstacles is the Fed.

00:44:56.000 What is to be done?

00:44:57.000 Well, first, the Fed should discard its forecast of stagflation in the next couple of years, as if subpar growth and inflation 40% above target is the best that can be done.

00:45:06.000 AI, he says, is going to bring prices down.

00:45:08.000 So that will be disinflationary.

00:45:10.000 Because if productivity goes up, that means higher supply.

00:45:13.000 That means lower prices.

00:45:15.000 He says that AI will increase productivity and bolster American competitiveness.

00:45:20.000 And that should drive significant increases in real take-home wages because things are going to be cheaper.

00:45:25.000 So they'll be more affordable.

00:45:27.000 Second, he says inflation is a choice.

00:45:30.000 The Fed should reexamine its great mistakes that led to the great inflation.

00:45:33.000 It should abandon the dogma that inflation is caused when the economy grows too much and workers get paid too much.

00:45:38.000 Inflation is not caused by that.

00:45:39.000 It's caused when the government spends too much and prints too much.

00:45:42.000 And he says that is largely because the Federal Reserve is making money appear out of thin air to buy the bonds.

00:45:48.000 So stop doing that.

00:45:49.000 That's what creates inflation.

00:45:51.000 Inflation is not when banks lend out money.

00:45:53.000 Inflation is really more when the Federal Reserve is injecting liquidity into the economy that didn't exist before.

00:46:00.000 Third, he says the Fed should take responsibility for regulatory failures, including a deposit run on banks in late 2022 and early 2023.

00:46:08.000 He says the Fed's rules and regulations have systematically disadvantaged small and medium-sized banks, and that has slowed the flow of credit to the real economy.

00:46:16.000 And fourth, we should stop trying to hold ourselves to the regulatory standards of Europe.

00:46:22.000 All of this seems basically right to me, but the key is this.

00:46:25.000 It's a big bet, a really big bet on the growth of AI.

00:46:30.000 That's really the thing that he's counting on.

00:46:33.000 Now, there are risks to the strategy because there are costs and benefits to every strategy.

00:46:37.000 If, because the bonds are being resold to the banks, the reserves of the banks runs low, then theoretically, if there is any sort of squeeze on the banks, then banks would have to increase their own interest rates to the public and mortgage rates and credit card rates and all of it would go up.

00:46:51.000 Or it's possible that a decrease in the FFR, the interest rates, could cause the economy to heat up a lot and people will start taking out money to speculate wildly.

00:47:01.000 And then you get some sort of inflationary result.

00:47:03.000 His point is that that's not real inflation.

00:47:05.000 Real inflation is when the government is full-scale creating money on a computer and it just goes out into the world, which really only happens via open market operations.

00:47:15.000 Or it's possible that the interest rates on bonds could spike as the market is flooded with bonds that are now being injected back into the economy.

00:47:22.000 And if those interest rates have to spike, then our debt becomes significantly more burdensome and the bond market softens and it's harder for us to actually spend on the governmental level.

00:47:31.000 What's the bottom line here?

00:47:32.000 Warsh's strategy is to bet on growth and innovation in the private sector, which is why he's a good pick.

00:47:37.000 He is a good pick.

00:47:38.000 Warsh does have a strategy.

00:47:40.000 It is definitely not a risk-free strategy, but there's no such thing as a risk-free strategy.

00:47:44.000 The biggest thing that he is doing is he is saying that the Federal Reserve should no longer be the chief policymaker when it comes to the economy.

00:47:52.000 Instead, the Federal Reserve should basically be there as a backstop, and that's kind of it, which is the original concept of the Federal Reserve.

00:48:02.000 It was instituted to prevent runs on banks.

00:48:04.000 And he's saying they should basically go back to that, set a low overnight rate, keep that feds rate low.

00:48:11.000 And that's kind of the main mandate.

00:48:13.000 That is the thing that he is pushing.

00:48:14.000 And that seems eminently correct to me.

00:48:17.000 Now, Democrats do have a problem moving forward here.

00:48:22.000 The biggest problem they have is the 2030 apportionment forecast.

00:48:26.000 This is a map.

00:48:27.000 The map shows the 2030 apportionment based on 2025 population estimates.

00:48:32.000 This is from Carnegie Mellon University.

00:48:34.000 It shows Texas picking up four seats, Florida picking up four seats, California losing four seats.

00:48:40.000 It shows states like Arizona picking up one.

00:48:45.000 It shows North Carolina picking up one.

00:48:48.000 All of the loss of seats is happening in blue areas.

00:48:51.000 It's happening in Illinois.

00:48:53.000 It's happening in New York.

00:48:56.000 It's happening in a wide variety of blue areas.

00:49:00.000 Michigan also would lose a seat.

00:49:02.000 Wisconsin would lose a seat.

00:49:04.000 Bottom line is that under that scenario, if this had been the map in 2024, Trump would have won 11 more electoral college votes.

00:49:12.000 So the map is moving pretty strongly against Democrats in terms of the demographics because so many places are picking up population in red areas.

00:49:19.000 There has been a significant blue-to-red move.

00:49:22.000 Our company, Daily Wire, did this.

00:49:24.000 My family did this.

00:49:26.000 The population changes that are occurring are really significant.

00:49:32.000 Nine states have gained more than 60,000 residents from July 2024 to July 2025, according to the American Redistricting Project.

00:49:40.000 Those states are Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Georgia, South Carolina, Washington, Arizona, Tennessee, and Virginia.

00:49:47.000 Of those nine states, seven are pretty solidly red.

00:49:52.000 Five states have lost population in that same period: West Virginia, New Mexico, Vermont, Hawaii, and California.

00:49:57.000 The only one of those that's red is West Virginia.

00:50:01.000 And the population losses would be greater for a lot of those blue states if you don't include foreign in-migration.

00:50:08.000 This is a major problem for Democrats.

00:50:10.000 And so Democrats basically have to hope that either Republicans go over their skis here and pursue policies that are wildly unpopular, or they have to moderate.

00:50:19.000 They have to.

00:50:20.000 And it's kind of incredible that Democrats are seeming to radicalize even as the map moves away from them.

00:50:27.000 It's a hell of a political move.

00:50:30.000 Meanwhile, it does suggest it creates at least the motive for the possibility of problems in the voter roles.

00:50:36.000 Promilla Jayapal, leader of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, she's out there railing against voter IDs still. 0.84

00:50:44.000 All the ways in which voters are intimidated, including, as you mentioned, new ID requirements that Republicans are trying to get into many places.

00:50:52.000 And so we're both in the courts, but we also want to make sure that we're doing everything we can to not scare people off from voting.

00:51:05.000 Again, is that about scaring people off from voting, or is that about allowing people who should not vote to vote?

00:51:10.000 Voter ID should be a basic prerequisite for voting.

00:51:12.000 This should not be particularly controversial.

00:51:14.000 It is nonetheless.

00:51:16.000 John Thun, the Senate Majority Leader, is pushing for the SAVE Act to be updated to require ID at the polling places.

00:51:23.000 My understanding is that they are still modifying the bill.

00:51:27.000 It includes right now a requirement that you be a citizen to register to vote, but it doesn't include a requirement that to vote you be a resident.

00:51:35.000 So, in other words, if you're going to have what we call voter ID or photo ID when somebody goes into the ballot box to vote, that's not currently covered in the bill.

00:51:42.000 So, that's been fixed and addressed.

00:51:44.000 And I think the new bill that comes out hopefully will deal with that.

00:51:49.000 Now, earlier this week, the FBI did search the main election office in Fulty County, Georgia, looking for records related to the 2020 race.

00:51:56.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, a U.S. official familiar with the warrant said it authorized agents to look for physical ballots, voter rolls from that year, ballot images created by scanning ballots and tabulator tapes from every voting machine in the county.

00:52:07.000 And the warrant was signed by a magistrate judge.

00:52:09.000 Apparently, the goal was to look into possible violations of federal law.

00:52:12.000 Tulsi Gabbard flew down to Georgia and was part of the effort.

00:52:17.000 Now, obviously, some of this is designed.

00:52:21.000 There is a thing that goes on in the Trump administration where various cabinet officials try to stay in President Trump's good graces by sort of humoring his ideas.

00:52:29.000 But we'll follow the evidence wherever it leads, as of course we should.

00:52:33.000 If it turns out that the DNI and the FBI end up uncovering serious evidence of fraud sufficient to change election results, obviously that should all be prosecuted.

00:52:45.000 We all want honest elections, or at the very least, we should.

00:52:49.000 Alrighty, coming up, we'll jump into the latest on Iran.

00:52:52.000 Will there be some action there this weekend?

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00:53:05.000 What was it like, Marlon, to be alone with God?

00:53:14.000 Is that who you think I was alone with?

00:53:20.000 Marathin, I knew your father.

00:53:22.000 I am yet convinced that he was not of this world.

00:53:27.000 All men know of the great Taliesin.

00:53:30.000 Who am I father?

00:53:32.000 Are the gods war for my soul?

00:53:35.000 Princess Garris, savior of our people.

00:53:40.000 I know what the bull got offered you.

00:53:43.000 I was offered the same.

00:53:45.000 And there is a new pirate work in the world.

00:53:48.000 I've seen it.

00:53:51.000 A god who sacrifices what he loves for us.

00:53:53.000 We are each given only one life, singer.

00:53:56.000 No.

00:53:57.000 We're given another.

00:54:01.000 I learned of Yazoo the Christ, and I have become his follower.

00:54:05.000 He's waiting on an Ernol, and I think you can give him one. 0.99

00:54:09.000 Trust in Yezu. 0.87

00:54:10.000 He is the only hope for men like us.

00:54:13.000 Fate of Britain never rests in the hands of the Great Life.

00:54:16.000 Great light, great darkness.

00:54:19.000 Such things mattered to me then.

00:54:21.000 What matters to you now, Mistress of Lies?

00:54:25.000 You, nephew.

00:54:30.000 The sword of the high king.

00:54:34.000 How many lives must be lost before you accept the power you were born to wield.

00:54:41.000 Still clinging to the promises of a god who has abandoned you.

00:54:45.000 I cannot take up that sword again.

00:54:48.000 You know what you must do.

00:54:51.000 Great life, forgive me.

The Ben Shapiro Show - January 30, 2026

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