The Ben Shapiro Show - Don’t Eat The Homophobic Chicken | Ep. 559

00:00:00.000 Leftists target Chick-fil-A again.

00:00:01.000 More fallout from the Trump-Kim summit.

00:00:03.000 And Speaker of the House Paul Ryan sets an immigration vote.

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00:01:19.000 So, in a little while we're going to get to President Trump and the fallout from the North Korean summit.

00:01:22.000 President Trump has been tweeting some things which are...

00:01:44.000 In my opinion, not the smartest.

00:01:45.000 But with that said, obviously it's a big public relations coup for the president.

00:01:49.000 The president had himself a hell of a day in the last couple of days.

00:01:52.000 He had a hell of a 48 hours going to Singapore and walking around with Kim and then getting all sorts of good media coverage for it.

00:01:59.000 His approval ratings are going to rise because of it.

00:02:01.000 It's a very popular move.

00:02:02.000 Even those of us who are skeptical like me are still obviously hopeful that President Trump ends up being right.

00:02:06.000 And this wasn't a sop to Kim for a photo op, that it actually ends up

00:02:10.000 Curbing Kim's nuclear ambitions.

00:02:12.000 And you know what?

00:02:13.000 Why don't we just jump right into that?

00:02:14.000 So President Trump this morning, he tweets out, quote,

00:02:29.000 And listen, I think that if North Korea decides to integrate into the family of nations and liberalize and get rid of the nuclear weapons, there is a great potential for the future. 0.62

00:02:37.000 For President Trump to say preemptively there's no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea is obviously untrue.

00:02:41.000 There's not a single North Korean weapon that has been disarmed at this point.

00:02:44.000 They have not destroyed any of their nuclear capacity.

00:02:47.000 And this sort of preliminary triumphalism, I objected to it yesterday because I think that it boxes President Trump in.

00:02:53.000 I think if President Trump wants to actually get something good out of North Korea,

00:02:56.000 It is trust but verify, but you actually have to verify.

00:03:00.000 And you can't trust that he's disarming when he hasn't disarmed.

00:03:02.000 He hasn't even set a timetable for disarming.

00:03:04.000 The North Korean headlines, the one they're putting out in North Korea, suggests that Kim is telling his own people that the United States and North Korea have agreed to joint disarmament.

00:03:13.000 What that technically means is that Kim Jong-un is claiming to his own people the United States is going to disarm nuclearly alongside North Korea, which, of course, is totally insane and never going to happen.

00:03:22.000 Trump also tweeted, Well, again, the sort of preliminary triumphalism, I think, is actually not useful and is pretty counterproductive, because here's the thing.

00:03:38.000 What President Trump did is he basically signed an advance against royalties.

00:03:42.000 So when you're in the book industry, right, when you write a book, then publishers typically give you an advance, and the advance is supposed to incentivize you to write the book, and then you write the book, and then you get royalties on the back end.

00:03:52.000 But you don't immediately get the royalties.

00:03:54.000 Instead, what happens is that you have to pay off your advance.

00:03:56.000 If they advance you $20,000 for an advance, you have to make $20,000

00:04:01.000 And then you make whatever royalties are on top of that.

00:04:05.000 Well, in negotiations, what President Trump effectively just did is he gave Kim Jong-un an advance against royalties.

00:04:10.000 He said, listen, I'm going to give you preemptively, preliminarily, a lot of credibility on the world stage.

00:04:14.000 I'm going to let you stand up here with me.

00:04:16.000 I'm going to give you the honor of shaking my hand.

00:04:18.000 I'm going to allow you to fly your flag alongside the flag of the United States.

00:04:22.000 I'm going to grant you tremendous international legitimacy, which does have a practical impact.

00:04:26.000 It means that a bunch of countries located around North Korea are not going to isolate North Korea.

00:04:31.000 Nearly as intensely as they were before.

00:04:33.000 Instead, it looks like they're going to try and move toward normalization of relations with North Korea.

00:04:37.000 All of that is a preemptive give by the president of the United States.

00:04:40.000 Now, as I said yesterday, maybe this ends up being a triumph.

00:04:43.000 The way it ends up being a triumph is if Kim Jong Un actually does want to come to the table and not just come to the table, but offer denuclearization in a real way.

00:04:50.000 If it turns out that President Trump

00:04:51.000 Give an advance against royalties, and then Kim Jong-un doesn't earn out.

00:04:55.000 Kim Jong-un's book doesn't sell.

00:04:56.000 Kim Jong-un doesn't actually give President Trump what he wants in return.

00:04:59.000 Then President Trump got bamboozled.

00:05:01.000 And the real question is going to be, is President Trump willing to flip?

00:05:04.000 Is President Trump—because the mark of a good negotiation here, if you're going to give an advance against royalties, is you claw that back.

00:05:10.000 Right?

00:05:11.000 If Kim Jong-un is lying, if he's not telling the truth, then Trump claws it back.

00:05:14.000 Now, I have very little doubt that if President Trump is humiliated by Kim Jong-un publicly, that he will go after Kim Jong-un personally.

00:05:19.000 He has done that before with all the Little Rocket Man talk, which, by the way, I kind of liked, right?

00:05:23.000 I mean, I talked about it at the time, and I said that it was kind of hilarious and worthwhile, even.

00:05:27.000 You know, is the president willing to flip on Kim Jong-un?

00:05:31.000 Now, we know that President Obama was not willing to flip on people.

00:05:34.000 Who screwed him in talk.

00:05:35.000 So when it came to Iran, President Obama was so invested in the idea that he'd gotten a great deal that when it was very clear that Iran was using all of the money that they had now gotten for terrorism and long-range missile development, Obama kept proclaiming that Iran had been moderated, that something magical had been done in Iran.

00:05:49.000 He became the PR agency for Iran.

00:05:52.000 Well, what we don't want from the Trump administration is for them to become the PR agency for North Korea because they're so invested in the possibility of a deal that they start pretending that a deal exists when a deal does not exist.

00:06:01.000 That's why I don't think that it is worthwhile for President Trump to be going out there and preemptively saying that North Korea is no longer a threat or a problem, that we've solved everything.

00:06:10.000 That's not verification, right?

00:06:11.000 That's just trust.

00:06:12.000 You need trust, but verify.

00:06:14.000 President Reagan, people are comparing Trump to Reagan because Trump met with Kim Jong-un and Reagan met with Mikhail Gorbachev.

00:06:20.000 But Reagan never came away from a meeting with Mikhail Gorbachev and said, listen, the USSR is no longer a threat.

00:06:25.000 They've been disarmed.

00:06:26.000 Everybody can sleep easy in their bed tonight.

00:06:28.000 Reagan never said that.

00:06:29.000 What he said is the negotiations are progressing.

00:06:31.000 We're working on something.

00:06:32.000 We're going to try and get them where we need to go.

00:06:34.000 It's moving in the right direction.

00:06:35.000 All of that, I think, would be more useful for the president than for the president to go out there and start preliminarily declaring victory.

00:06:41.000 He also said we save a fortune by not doing war games as long as we are negotiating in good faith with which both sides are.

00:06:47.000 Again,

00:06:48.000 It's not up to the president to determine whether the North Koreans are negotiating in good faith.

00:06:52.000 We don't know that yet.

00:06:53.000 We just don't know that yet. 0.96

00:06:55.000 And to assume that they are negotiating in good faith is, I think, a fool's errand.

00:06:59.000 We actually have to assume they're negotiating in bad faith until they prove it to us.

00:07:02.000 This should be show me.

00:07:04.000 It's time for the Kim family to show the United States, to show President Trump that they really mean what it is they are saying.

00:07:09.000 And this is not me being critical of President Trump for the sake of being critical of President Trump.

00:07:13.000 I spent the last several weeks praising President Trump on issues ranging from the Jerusalem move to some of his domestic policies with regard to regulation.

00:07:19.000 Go back and listen to the show.

00:07:20.000 I've been doing it for weeks, right?

00:07:22.000 But the fact is that when President Trump is putting himself in a bad position vis-a-vis negotiations,

00:07:26.000 He's putting himself in a bad position vis-a-vis negotiations, and he's putting the United States in a bad position vis-a-vis negotiations.

00:07:32.000 Now, is it possible that all this works?

00:07:33.000 Yes, but it's a high-risk, high-gamble, right?

00:07:36.000 I mean, this is a high-risk gamble that the president is making right now.

00:07:39.000 It's high-risk, high-reward.

00:07:40.000 Maybe he goes out there, he shakes hands, he takes it on himself.

00:07:43.000 He makes it look as though he's legitimizing Kim, and then it turns out that Kim is Mikhail Gorbachev, and something great comes out of this.

00:07:49.000 Maybe that's what happens here.

00:07:50.000 But I'm gonna wait for the great thing to come out of it before I start preliminarily praising. 0.96

00:07:54.000 And when I see the wild praise that's happening on TV, or the wild rips that are happening, oh, it's the end of the world, this is obviously stupid, when I see both of those things happening, 0.93

00:08:02.000 It suggests to me that people are jumping to their partisan hackery. 0.92

00:08:05.000 That people are jumping to, I want this to be good.

00:08:07.000 I want this to be good for President Trump.

00:08:09.000 I like President Trump.

00:08:10.000 I trust President Trump.

00:08:11.000 Therefore, I'm not going to trust but verify about President Trump.

00:08:13.000 I'm just going to trust President Trump.

00:08:15.000 Well, I don't trust any president.

00:08:17.000 I trust President Trump on policy much more than I trusted President Obama, obviously.

00:08:21.000 But in the end, everything has to be verified, and the deal has to be verified.

00:08:25.000 So President Trump tweets out that we are losing, that we save a fortune by not doing war games as long as we are negotiating in good faith.

00:08:32.000 Number one, he shouldn't be using the term war games.

00:08:33.000 War games is a North Korean propaganda term for what it is the United States does with South Korea.

00:08:37.000 Those are military exercises.

00:08:39.000 They're military-naval exercises that we do with South Korea.

00:08:42.000 For preparedness for our troops.

00:08:43.000 I've talked to members of the military yesterday who talked about what it is that we do in South Korea.

00:08:48.000 Those war games, supposedly, are also directed toward China.

00:08:52.000 They're directed toward training up a group of folks who can work in concert with American troops if, God forbid, some sort of military conflict breaks out on the peninsula.

00:08:58.000 Look, we all want the same thing here.

00:09:00.000 We all want North Korea to disarm.

00:09:01.000 The question is whether you think that President Trump's original approach, the harsh approach with North Korea, was more likely to bear fruit, or if you think that President Trump has to

00:09:10.000 Really give Kim Jong-un a bear hug in order to accomplish this.

00:09:13.000 I think that neither is particularly necessary.

00:09:15.000 I think that I would rather have President Trump wielding a big stick and letting his lower-level negotiators go and negotiate a deal rather than preemptively granting Kim Jong-un all this sort of international credibility and legitimacy and taking our allies in the region and making them more friendly to Kim Jong-un.

00:09:31.000 Again, high risk, high reward.

00:09:34.000 If it pays off, it's great.

00:09:35.000 If it doesn't, then it's not going to be all that great.

00:09:37.000 And we're not going to know that for at least several months, probably.

00:09:40.000 So President Trump didn't stop there.

00:09:42.000 Then he tweeted out, Now, you know, look, I think when President Trump ripped into the fake news,

00:09:59.000 I think sometimes that's absolutely justified.

00:10:01.000 I think that it is absolutely justified for the president to point out that a year ago, everybody was deeply worried that North Korea was going to nuke us into obliteration, right?

00:10:08.000 We were going to get into a nuclear exchange with North Korea. 0.52

00:10:11.000 Just a few months ago, the media were proclaiming that Trump was somehow going to gin up a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula, and now it's Trump surrendering.

00:10:19.000 Well, which is it, guys?

00:10:20.000 I mean, either you like

00:10:22.000 kind of more muscular Trump, or you like negotiating Trump, but you got to pick one.

00:10:25.000 You can't do this routine where Trump is either going to bring about world peace or he's going to bring about nuclear war.

00:10:31.000 This inconsistency from the media really is quite galling.

00:10:33.000 So I understand why President Trump is upset.

00:10:35.000 With that said, you know, when the president says our country's biggest enemy is the fake news, and then at the same time, like really within a couple of hours, he's tweeting out that North Korea is no longer our biggest and most dangerous problem.

00:10:46.000 Instead, they have great potential for the future and there's no longer a nuclear threat.

00:10:50.000 The North Koreans, that is still an evil regime. 1.00

00:10:53.000 As much as I dislike a lot of members of the mainstream media, as much as I think that they are lying on a frequent basis, or at least biasing their coverage on a frequent basis, I'm not going to pretend that I think of the anchors at CNN in the same way I think of Kim Jong-un.

00:11:05.000 Our country's greatest enemy are not the fake news.

00:11:07.000 Our country's biggest enemy are places like North Korea still. 1.00

00:11:11.000 At least until they prove that they are not our enemy, and they have not come close to proving that as of yet.

00:11:16.000 Mr. President, take a page from the Reagan playbook.

00:11:18.000 Trust but verify.

00:11:19.000 Trust but verify.

00:11:20.000 And in the case of Kim Jong-un, I wouldn't even trust but verify.

00:11:23.000 Nothing has been put on paper yet.

00:11:25.000 In the case of Kim Jong-un, I would distrust and verify.

00:11:27.000 And the verification protocols should be even stronger for Kim Jong-un than they normally would be.

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00:12:51.000 Okay.

00:12:51.000 You know, again, should we be optimistic about what President Trump is doing with North Korea?

00:12:56.000 Sure.

00:12:57.000 Sure.

00:12:57.000 I think optimism is warranted.

00:12:59.000 I think everybody should be optimistic and hopeful.

00:13:02.000 The president needs to be the strong leader he has been on foreign policy.

00:13:06.000 I've been very critical of the president when I think he's wrong.

00:13:09.000 I think that there's risk the president is wrong here.

00:13:11.000 And I think the president needs to show the same sort of strength and fortitude as he did when it came to the Iran deal that he is with the North Korean deal.

00:13:17.000 Remember, he rejected the Iran deal.

00:13:19.000 He said the Iran deal is no longer good because we cannot trust the Iranians. 1.00

00:13:23.000 And that was after we had signed a deal.

00:13:25.000 He said we cannot trust them.

00:13:26.000 That was Obama's deal, so he wasn't tied to it.

00:13:28.000 What I'm afraid of is that President Trump is going to make a deal with the North Koreans that isn't that great, and then he's going to feel tied to that deal because he made the deal in the first place.

00:13:36.000 I hope that's not the case, and I think his advisors, I hope, will advise him that that should not be the case.

00:13:42.000 Mr. President, by all means, extend the warm hand to North Korea if you think that that's going to succeed.

00:13:48.000 But on the other hand, it's a velvet glove and inside there must be an iron fist.

00:13:52.000 And if the iron fist is gone already, then we've just handed Kim Jong-un a victory. 0.55

00:13:55.000 There's either going to be a Trumpian triumph or it's going to be a Kim coup. 0.56

00:13:58.000 And President Trump gets to decide how that goes.

00:14:01.000 Remember, this is not a negotiation between equals.

00:14:03.000 The United States is the most powerful country in the history of the world by a factor of 10.

00:14:06.000 There is no reason

00:14:08.000 That the United States should have to stoop down to Kim Jong-un's level in order to get him to do anything.

00:14:14.000 And the fact is that President Trump is already granting some sort of concessions to the Chinese.

00:14:17.000 So listen, maybe I'm totally wrong here.

00:14:19.000 Maybe the president has in his back pocket a big win from Kim.

00:14:22.000 If so, then I look forward to seeing that big win.

00:14:24.000 So far, all I've seen is an advance on royalties from the president to Kim Jong-un.

00:14:28.000 I don't see that as a victory for the United States unless there is a back end to this deal.

00:14:32.000 If it turns out the president advanced a bunch of trust to Kim, and Kim actually wants to do something, everything will be fine.

00:14:37.000 If not, then the president made a big mistake and got bamboozled by Kim, and I'm not going to preemptively declare one way or another, as so many people seem to want me to, and so many people seem to be angry that I am not.

00:14:49.000 I'm not.

00:14:50.000 Preliminary celebration about negotiations is not my favorite thing.

00:14:52.000 I just don't think negotiations are worth celebrating preliminarily.

00:14:55.000 It's the outcome of negotiations that ends up mattering in the long run.

00:14:59.000 Now, with all of that said, this is a very popular move.

00:15:01.000 The polls show that this may be the most popular initiative that Trump has ever undertaken.

00:15:05.000 There's a new poll out right now about Trump and Kim, and it shows that

00:15:09.000 Voters are somewhat skeptical that Trump is going to convince Kim to give up his nukes, but most Americans and South Koreans do in fact back the summit.

00:15:16.000 Nearly half of voters are confident Trump can handle threats posed by North Korea, but significantly fewer believe he'll be successful convincing them to get rid of their nuclear program. 0.83

00:15:24.000 With that said, the summit itself is very popular because people feel like something has to break the impasse.

00:15:29.000 I think the American people are basically correct about all of this.

00:15:31.000 Okay.

00:15:31.000 Well, meanwhile, the left is struggling to come up with a message to run on in 2018 and 2020, and the radicals on the left continue to drive the conversation.

00:15:40.000 So there's a big conference that's supposed to happen in the next couple of days.

00:15:44.000 It's Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

00:15:46.000 I believe Cory Booker's showing up.

00:15:47.000 All of the prospective 2020 Democratic nominees.

00:15:50.000 And they keep saying they have great ideas, and I'm waiting to hear their ideas because I don't really see their great ideas.

00:15:54.000 Instead, what I see

00:15:56.000 Is that this party, which proclaims that it is mainstream, is constantly being driven to the far left by its base.

00:16:01.000 I think what's happening right now in American politics is a severe polarization that is leading to reactionary politics on both sides of the aisle.

00:16:08.000 It is most obvious not on the right, where people are talking about it a lot.

00:16:11.000 It is most obvious on the left.

00:16:12.000 And the latest iteration of this is the newfound campaign against Chick-fil-A.

00:16:16.000 So, you may have seen over the last few days that the left has started campaigning again against Chick-fil-A because it is Gay Pride Month, and that means that we have to stop homophobic chicken. 0.57

00:16:24.000 Stop it. 0.97

00:16:25.000 Stop eating your homophobic chicken sandwiches. 0.98

00:16:27.000 Those chicken sandwiches? 0.98

00:16:28.000 You know that those chicken sandwiches have engraved upon them.

00:16:31.000 They've branded upon them.

00:16:33.000 All the grills at Chick-fil-A have Leviticus 18.22 branded upon them.

00:16:36.000 So you have to make sure that you do not come anywhere close to those homophobic chicken sandwiches.

00:16:40.000 The latest comes from Noah Mickelson over at Huffington Post.

00:16:44.000 He writes a long piece called, Because apparently that turns you into some sort of papist or something.

00:16:53.000 So here's what Mickelson writes.

00:16:54.000 He says, So eating out was a rare treat.

00:16:58.000 So, what does that have to do with the chicken, exactly?

00:17:00.000 So, Mickelson says,

00:17:23.000 You can imagine how upsetting it was for me when Chick-fil-A's president, Dan Cathy, proudly came out as a homophobe in 2012 by claiming, quote,

00:17:40.000 That is not a homophobic statement by Dan Cathy.

00:17:42.000 It's not, okay?

00:17:42.000 Homophobia is the idea that gay people should be put in jail, or that homosexuality should be punishable by law, or that you are afraid of gay people.

00:17:52.000 But the idea that you think that homosexual sex is a sin, or that same-sex marriage is an abomination in terms of sort of the biblical definition of marriage, that's a pretty mainstream religious view. 0.73

00:18:03.000 Many, many gay friends, right?

00:18:04.000 I am in favor of the government getting out of the business of marriage altogether. 0.99

00:18:08.000 As a religious person, I also believe that homosexual sex is a sin because I am, in fact, a religious Jew, right? 0.96

00:18:12.000 I mean, this is just part of the religious Jewish tradition. 0.91

00:18:15.000 It has nothing to do with quote-unquote homophobia.

00:18:16.000 Anyway, because Dan Cathy has these views, now we have to not eat chicken sandwiches from Chick-fil-A.

00:18:21.000 Now, has Chick-fil-A ever told gay people they can't eat at Chick-fil-A?

00:18:24.000 No.

00:18:25.000 Has Chick-fil-A ever fired an employee for being gay?

00:18:28.000 No. 0.60

00:18:29.000 Does Chick-fil-A cover the benefits of gay employees? 0.95

00:18:31.000 Yes.

00:18:32.000 Does Chick-fil-A actually provide?

00:18:34.000 Food to the victims of the Orlando shooting at a gay nightclub?

00:18:39.000 You bet.

00:18:39.000 But apparently, because Dan Cathy doesn't agree with Noah Mickelson, it is time for the entire LGBT community to boycott the entire company of Chick-fil-A.

00:18:47.000 Here is why this is so stupid and so problematic for the country. 0.96

00:18:50.000 When you have entire groups of people boycotting companies on the basis of the political perspective of the leader of that company, not based on the activity of the company, right? 0.99

00:18:57.000 You can boycott based on the activity of the company.

00:18:59.000 That, I think, is fair.

00:19:00.000 But boycotting based on the views of the company's owner,

00:19:04.000 Or based on the fact that the company donates its profits to Christian groups who have particular viewpoints on sexual orientation.

00:19:12.000 I don't see how that's good for the country.

00:19:13.000 It is not.

00:19:14.000 It means that you are now going to be obligated to vet the political viewpoint of everybody you do business with and then we are going to break off into these hive-minded

00:19:23.000 Little cliques of people who only do business with, hang out with, and have conversations with people with whom we fully agree, and we try to bankrupt everyone else.

00:19:30.000 That makes for a pretty terrible First Amendment environment in the United States.

00:19:33.000 Now, this isn't an implication of the First Amendment itself, this isn't government regulation of Chick-fil-A, but there's such a thing as a sort of a free speech attitude, and the free speech attitude in the United States is going by the wayside as we call for companies, members of companies, to change their own particular political viewpoint, not their action, their political viewpoint expressed by them

00:19:52.000 In order so that they can earn our business.

00:19:53.000 It's really, really negative.

00:19:54.000 And that's not the only extreme viewpoint that's now being pushed by the left.

00:19:58.000 The left is also now pushing extreme viewpoints with regard to masculinity.

00:20:02.000 So the latest iteration of this comes courtesy of Sarah Rich over at The Atlantic.

00:20:07.000 So Sarah Rich has a long piece over at The Atlantic called Today's Masculinity is Stifling. 0.92

00:20:12.000 Let me just point out, today's masculinity is less stifling than at any time in the recent past because the fact is that today's masculinity has almost nothing to do with masculinity.

00:20:19.000 Masculinity used to be tied to the idea of obligation to protect.

00:20:23.000 Now, when I teach my son to be a gentleman, what I'm going to teach him is that it is necessary to protect those who are weaker than you are.

00:20:28.000 If you've ever seen the movie American Sniper, there's a long monologue where the main character talks about how basically people are either sheep, wolves, or sheepdogs.

00:20:37.000 Either they're going to be aggressors, or they're going to be followers, or they're going to be sheepdogs protecting the sheep against the wolves.

00:20:42.000 It is the job of men to be sheepdogs, essentially. 0.96

00:20:45.000 That is what being a gentleman is.

00:20:46.000 It's upholding a moral standard, a standard of values, taking the slings and arrows in order to protect others.

00:20:51.000 That's what being a man is all about.

00:20:54.000 We have sort of gotten rid of that, and instead, we've gone with sort of the affectation of manhood.

00:20:58.000 So the affectation of manhood is, I work out a lot, and I drink lots of beer, and this is what makes me a man.

00:21:05.000 I smoke cigars, and that's what makes me a man.

00:21:07.000 Okay, what makes you a man is whether you are willing to protect people who are weaker than you, and whether you are willing to instill a system of values that protects the liberties of others who are not you, right?

00:21:15.000 That is what makes you a good human being, and more importantly, it's what makes you a good man in terms of masculinity.

00:21:20.000 That's why it's more important for

00:21:21.000 Men, right?

00:21:21.000 And when you rip away men's mission, men tend to become destructive.

00:21:25.000 But if the idea is that masculinity now is too restrictive, what's so restrictive about it?

00:21:30.000 Well, it turns out that when you identify masculinity with the affectation, there are a bunch of people who don't like the affectation.

00:21:36.000 So first, the feminists came for the idea that men should not protect women because that was sexist. 0.93

00:21:40.000 And then they came for the idea that men should not even engage in the affectation of manhood.

00:21:44.000 They should not dress like men. 0.99

00:21:45.000 They should instead dress like women. 1.00

00:21:47.000 Or if they do dress like women, that doesn't make you less of a man. 0.80

00:21:49.000 Okay, they've done this routine where masculinity was reduced to the appearance of masculinity and then that itself was attacked.

00:21:55.000 So that's exactly the case that's being made by Sarah Rich, except she is attacking. 0.95

00:21:59.000 She says, In hindsight, our son was gearing up to wear a dress to school for quite some time.

00:22:03.000 For months, he wore dresses or his purple and green mermaid costume on weekends and after school.

00:22:07.000 Then he began wearing them to sleep in lieu of pajamas, changing out of them after breakfast.

00:22:10.000 Finally, one morning, I brought him his clean pants and shirt and he looked at me and said, I'm already dressed.

00:22:14.000 He was seated on the couch in a gray cotton sundress covered in doe-eyed unicorns with rainbow manes.

00:22:17.000 He'd slept in it, and in his dreaming hours, I imagine, stood at a podium giving inspirational speeches to an audience composed only of himself.

00:22:23.000 When he'd woken up, he was ready.

00:22:24.000 He walked a half block to school with a bounce in his step, chest proud.

00:22:27.000 My friends are going to say dresses aren't for boys, he told me casually over his shoulder.

00:22:30.000 They might, I agreed.

00:22:31.000 You can just tell them you are comfortable with yourself, and that's all that matters.

00:22:33.000 I thought of all the other things he could tell them.

00:22:35.000 I began to list them, but he was off running across the blacktop.

00:22:38.000 I scanned the entrance to see whether any parents noticed us as they came and went.

00:22:41.000 I hadn't expected my stomach to churn.

00:22:43.000 I felt proud of him for his self-assuredness, for the way he prepared for this quietly and at his own pace.

00:22:47.000 But I worried about what judgments and conclusions parents and teachers might make.

00:22:50.000 And of course, I was worried that somebody would shame him.

00:22:52.000 Well, they shouldn't shame him.

00:22:53.000 They should shame you. 0.95

00:22:53.000 You're a bad parent. 0.95

00:22:55.000 Okay, I'm just gonna put this out there. 1.00

00:22:56.000 You're a bad parent.

00:22:57.000 You should not be allowing your young boy, who is not old enough, to figure out

00:23:02.000 The ways of life because the kid was not hit puberty yet.

00:23:04.000 This is not a kid who's old enough to have figured out masculinity and femininity for you to have sent him to school in a dress so he can be made fun of by all the other kids is a nasty thing for you to do as a parent.

00:23:15.000 There is something to the idea that you should be inculcating, yes, even the appearance of masculinity and femininity in your own children.

00:23:22.000 Distinctions between the sexes are important.

00:23:24.000 And it is you who are confusing your child.

00:23:26.000 Your child is not going to be happier because your child is confused as a general rule.

00:23:30.000 There are exceptions, but as a general rule, being gender confused and being confused about the sort of appearances of gender, it is not a worthwhile thing.

00:23:40.000 You're pleased with his self-assuredness?

00:23:41.000 The kid's seven.

00:23:42.000 The whole self-esteem movement, the idea that you can subjectively define the reality around you and everybody is expected to adapt, that is not going to work out well.

00:23:50.000 And now that doesn't mean the kid should be bullied.

00:23:51.000 The kid should not be bullied.

00:23:52.000 Bullying is bad in all cases.

00:23:53.000 You shouldn't bully the kids.

00:23:54.000 But parents have an obligation to protect their kids from bullying, and they also have an obligation not to confuse their kids about basic concepts of sex and gender.

00:24:02.000 The idea that boys and girls dress differently is true in every society in the history of mankind.

00:24:07.000 Now, you may say that there are other societies where boys wear kilts or boys wear skirts or whatever it is.

00:24:11.000 That's not true in American society.

00:24:13.000 And it is true that in Scottish society, men and women do not dress the same.

00:24:16.000 Men and women do not dress the same because men and women are, in fact, not the same.

00:24:19.000 And it is important to re-inculcate those gender differences. 0.96

00:24:23.000 Those gender differences are a beautiful part of life.

00:24:25.000 Those gender differences make your child less confused.

00:24:28.000 You're telling me when the kid was three and put on a dress, you could have said, you know what, sweetheart, that's not really appropriate.

00:24:32.000 Let's go put on some boy clothes.

00:24:34.000 But even that statement is apparently too radical for the entire left.

00:24:37.000 And listen, I'll get a lot of flack for saying this, obviously, from the left, because the idea is that we're supposed to pretend that all choices you make for your child are equivalent.

00:24:44.000 They are not equivalent.

00:24:46.000 This article continues.

00:24:48.000 In the afternoon, he was still wearing the unicorn dress.

00:24:50.000 He skipped down the sidewalk, reporting that some kids had protested his attire, but he'd assured them he was comfortable with himself.

00:24:55.000 With that, the seal was broken.

00:24:57.000 Most days since, he's worn a dress from his small collection, though he also favors a light blue guayabara, the classic collared button-down worn by men and boys in Cuba and the Philippines.

00:25:04.000 Classmates' objections continue, but with less frequency and conviction.

00:25:07.000 One day, when my husband dropped him off, he heard a little girl stand up to a naysayer and shout, boys can like beautiful things, too. 1.00

00:25:12.000 But they can't.

00:25:13.000 Not without someone looking askance.

00:25:14.000 No, that is not right.

00:25:15.000 To embrace female dress when you are not a woman, it's not about that femalehood is less.

00:25:17.000 It is the idea that masculinity and femalehood are distinct. 1.00

00:25:19.000 These are not the same thing.

00:25:20.000 And that when you blow through those distinctions, you are making life worse for your child.

00:25:40.000 Gender confusion in children is a dangerous thing. 0.58

00:25:42.000 It is not a good thing.

00:25:43.000 And reinstalling that, reinstating that, I don't know why you would want to do this as a parent.

00:25:47.000 I mean, I understand why this person wanted it.

00:25:49.000 She can virtue signal about it in the pages of the Atlantic.

00:25:51.000 So she can prove what a wonderful person she is by giving her child the Rousseauian Emile childhood where the child gets to make every decision for themselves.

00:25:58.000 Children are not capable of making important decisions for themselves.

00:26:01.000 You have a four-year-old and a two-year-old. 1.00

00:26:03.000 They do not get to make important decisions for themselves because if they did, they would both make stupid decisions because little kids are stupid. 1.00

00:26:10.000 Little kids don't know anything. 1.00

00:26:11.000 The whole point of civilizing young barbarians into civilized people is to make sure that you set some sort of standard. 0.99

00:26:17.000 Now, is this the most important thing in the world that you don't let your kid dress in a dress?

00:26:22.000 I don't think it's like the most important thing in the world, but I do think that it is important to say that boys and girls are different.

00:26:27.000 And to reinstitute, again, the reason that it is important to reinstitute these differences is because biologically boys are different than girls.

00:26:33.000 This has ramifications for everything ranging from the sorts of activities in which they engage to the sorts of ways that they think.

00:26:39.000 These things are ingrained.

00:26:42.000 And reveling in the beauty of those differences is a good thing.

00:26:45.000 It's so funny.

00:26:46.000 The entire left that says multiculturalism is wonderful, that all cultures are created equal and we ought to celebrate each culture for what it is, says that cultural appropriation from males to females is totally fine and vice versa.

00:26:56.000 We shouldn't celebrate the differences between men and women. 0.96

00:26:58.000 We should obliterate the differences between men and women. 1.00

00:27:00.000 Well, this is one of the key distinctions in society that actually matters.

00:27:03.000 The distinction between men and women matters because boys are not the same as girls.

00:27:06.000 Boys must be brought up to be gentlemen.

00:27:09.000 It's not that you teach boys not to rape.

00:27:10.000 It's that you teach them to affirmatively be good men.

00:27:12.000 And you teach women to be good women. 0.97

00:27:14.000 And being a good man is not quite the same thing as being a good woman. 1.00

00:27:17.000 And then there's the broader category of being a good person.

00:27:19.000 Right?

00:27:19.000 Which encompasses some aspects of being a good man and being a good woman.

00:27:22.000 But being a good man and being a good woman are two different things. 0.98

00:27:25.000 But the left is pushing this obliteration of all distinctions that actually matter.

00:27:29.000 And the goal here is, of course, that once everything is done, we will all be the same.

00:27:33.000 We will all be widgets that we get to form from scratch.

00:27:37.000 People are so in love with the idea of human beings as the blank slate that they are going to pretend that human beings actually are a blank slate, or they're going to encourage all sorts of activities that look more like blank slate activities, as opposed to the biological differences that make humanity beautiful and wonderful.

00:27:52.000 And this is what the left is embracing on a large scale, and it really is disturbing.

00:27:55.000 It's bad for kids, okay?

00:27:56.000 This kid is not going to be healthier, in my opinion, as a result of his mother sending him to school in a dress.

00:28:02.000 The fact is, even if the kid happens to have gender dysphoria, 80% of all children who identify as a member of the other gender, I understand cross-dressing and gender dysphoria are not the same thing, but 80% of kids who have the most extreme form of body dysmorphia, they believe that they are a girl in a boy's body, grow out of it by the time they are teenagers.

00:28:20.000 They grow out of it over time.

00:28:22.000 Be a parent, okay?

00:28:23.000 It's not your job to be your kid's friend.

00:28:25.000 It is not your job to enable every choice your kid makes.

00:28:27.000 Be a parent.

00:28:28.000 Find a standard that actually makes your kid's life happier and that makes society around you better.

00:28:34.000 Okay, so meanwhile, the city of Seattle has decided they're going to do now an about-face on Amazon and the head tax.

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00:30:46.000 So as I said, the left has become rather radical, and we're supposed to ignore that because the right is also becoming more reactionary.

00:30:52.000 But the left's radicalism means that they even have had to about-face on some of their own proposals.

00:30:56.000 So this is hilarious.

00:30:59.000 The Seattle Times is reporting that, if you remember just a couple of weeks ago, the Seattle City Council approved of a head tax.

00:31:04.000 They were going to tax Amazon and Microsoft and all of these other companies some huge amount, $275 per employee for homelessness.

00:31:12.000 They were going to tax all these major companies in the city of Seattle.

00:31:16.000 Less than a month later, they reversed it.

00:31:17.000 So in a stunning reversal without parallel in Seattle's recent political history, according to Daniel Beekman of the Seattle Times, the city council voted 72 on Tuesday to repeal a controversial head tax on large employers like Amazon.

00:31:28.000 Mayor Jenny Durkan plans to sign the repeal into law.

00:31:30.000 So that lasted for about five seconds.

00:31:32.000 The move came as a business-backed campaign to kill the tax prepared to submit petition signatures this week to qualify the referendum for the November ballot.

00:31:39.000 People on both sides of the head tax debate packed the council chambers, waving signs with the slogans, tax Amazon and no tax on jobs.

00:31:45.000 As the council members voted, they were drowned out by activists who chanted, housing is a human right. 0.81

00:31:49.000 Before the tally, council member Lisa Herbold said she felt like crying.

00:31:54.000 But she would side with the majority of her colleagues because the Seattle Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce had managed to persuade the vast majority of voters to oppose the tax.

00:32:00.000 In other words, they knew that when the tax came up for a vote, it was going to lose, so they preemptively decided to kill the tax, and they all felt like crying. 0.77

00:32:07.000 Because it turns out that when you pass some of the world's stupidest policies, even the leftist voters of Seattle can't stand it, and you're going to have to reverse yourselves and then weep about it.

00:32:15.000 Herbold said she lost hope over the weekend after seeing poll results and talking with advocates. 0.91

00:32:19.000 Better to retreat now rather than see voters cancel the tax in November after a months long bitter struggle, she said.

00:32:24.000 Quote, this is not a winnable battle at this time.

00:32:26.000 The opposition has unlimited resources.

00:32:27.000 I love how the left in Seattle suggests that the Chamber of Commerce has unlimited resources.

00:32:32.000 It's the city of Seattle.

00:32:34.000 The city of Seattle is about as left a city as there is in the United States.

00:32:37.000 And yet even the city of Seattle has gone, nope, sorry, can't do that.

00:32:40.000 You're going to alienate all the businesses.

00:32:42.000 So as the left moves further to the left, they are alienating the center.

00:32:45.000 Well, you would assume from that that maybe the best move for the right would be to, you know, grab that center, since the left is apparently abandoning that center.

00:32:51.000 Well, instead, the right is having so much fun drinking leftist tears that some on the right have decided in primaries that it is worthwhile to simply go after the candidate

00:33:00.000 Who is the most Trumpy in affect, the candidate who is most ensconced in sort of the radical language that ticks off the left, which is why last night Corey Stewart won his primary in Virginia.

00:33:11.000 So Corey Stewart was running against a guy named Nick Freitas.

00:33:14.000 The campaign was really close.

00:33:15.000 It came down to 2 percent.

00:33:16.000 And Corey Stewart, who was expected to win.

00:33:19.000 It should be said by double digits.

00:33:20.000 He'd run a very close race before in Virginia, I believe for the governor's seat.

00:33:24.000 And then he was beaten by Ed Gillespie in that governor's primary.

00:33:28.000 Well, now he's won the Senate runoff and he's going to run against Tim Kaine.

00:33:31.000 He will likely lose.

00:33:32.000 But Corey Stewart won and he won because he was sort of the most Trumpy guy in the race.

00:33:37.000 Now, Corey Stewart comes along with an enormous amount of baggage.

00:33:40.000 Corey Stewart has hobnobbed with some

00:33:42.000 Pretty nefarious characters in the past.

00:33:44.000 He's tried to disassociate from those characters.

00:33:45.000 He went to a sort of neo-confederate ball.

00:33:49.000 He made one of his key issues the upholding of confederate monuments, which I think is a controversial issue at the very least.

00:33:56.000 Corey Stewart, he's a political animal for sure, and he's again likely to lose in the race to Tim Kaine.

00:34:03.000 But it seems like the right in its desire for a reactionary anti-establishment politics is embracing candidates who may not be the strongest candidates in the world.

00:34:12.000 The same thing holds true in South Carolina last night.

00:34:15.000 So Mark Sanford.

00:34:16.000 Lost his congressional primary last night.

00:34:19.000 He is an almost five-term member of the House of Representatives, and he lost his primary election to a political newcomer, State Representative Katie Arrington, by a 50.5% to 46.5% margin.

00:34:29.000 And Arrington was a Romney and Rubio supporter in the primaries.

00:34:32.000 She ended up supporting Trump and said she would do so in the House.

00:34:35.000 Sanford was a Trump supporter in the 2016 election.

00:34:37.000 The media's sort of take on this is that Sanford was too anti-Trump to win.

00:34:42.000 I don't think that's actually true.

00:34:43.000 I think what happened is that Sanford ran a really lackluster campaign in his own district, but the impact is going to be that Arrington is more militant in her approach, Sanford is a lot less militant, and also he said some pretty abrasive things about President Trump in the past.

00:34:57.000 So what does this mean for Republican primary voters?

00:34:59.000 What does this mean for the Republican Party in general?

00:35:01.000 Well, it means that I understand why there's caution on the part of Republican legislators going up against President Trump.

00:35:06.000 The fact is that you cannot be fully anti-Trump and win in the Republican Party right now.

00:35:11.000 End of story.

00:35:12.000 You cannot be fully anti-Trump in the Republican Party as a legislator and win.

00:35:15.000 And that makes a certain amount of sense in the sense that President Trump is in fact the President of the United States.

00:35:21.000 But it does mean cutting off your nose to spite your face because the fact is that Mark Sanford was voting 90% of the time with President Trump, including on some of his biggest priorities.

00:35:28.000 Katie Arrington is a bigger government proponent.

00:35:32.000 She campaigned against Mark Sanford being too small government.

00:35:34.000 Which suggests that if you are voting for a candidate based on their support level for President Trump's language rather than President Trump's agenda, or if you're voting for a Republican candidate based on how much they like Trump, not how much they like limited government, that should be a sign that you're doing something wrong, okay?

00:35:49.000 That's not actually a really good thing, I think.

00:35:51.000 Okay, in just a second, I want to talk about

00:35:54.000 Immigration and AT&T Time Warner.

00:35:57.000 But let's get to this immigration story.

00:35:59.000 So this is an amazing story.

00:36:00.000 There's a lot of talk these days about President Trump being too harsh on immigration.

00:36:03.000 This has been specifically said about separating families at the border.

00:36:06.000 As I have made clear in the past, the law of the land requires that families be separated at the border when there is an illegal immigrant who brings a child across the border and you want to arrest the illegal immigrant. 0.67

00:36:15.000 The left's solution is don't arrest the illegal immigrant, which is no solution at all. 0.92

00:36:18.000 Illegal immigration continues to be a threat 1.00

00:36:21.000 to certain areas of the country.

00:36:23.000 I don't think that illegal immigrants are generally coming across to commit crimes.

00:36:27.000 I don't think that illegal immigrants are bad people.

00:36:29.000 I know too many illegal immigrants to believe that. 1.00

00:36:31.000 But I do believe that any country that is worth its salt has to enforce its border.

00:36:36.000 And it is also true that we cannot vet the people who are coming through illegally. 1.00

00:36:38.000 We just can't.

00:36:39.000 I think?

00:36:54.000 We're good to go.

00:37:11.000 I like that someone shouted off camera as the recruit tried to cover his head.

00:37:14.000 That looks like it hurt, someone wrote under the video, which was uploaded to Instagram.

00:37:28.000 Now remember, when President Trump called MS-13 animals, many people on the left were very upset about all this.

00:37:31.000 This is a serious problem, okay?

00:37:32.000 It's a real problem.

00:37:32.000 When MS-13 is recruiting in junior highs, that's scary stuff.

00:37:50.000 Although administrators deny Ward has a gang problem, the situation inside the aging, overcrowded building has left some teachers so afraid they refuse to be alone with their students.

00:37:58.000 Many said they had repeatedly reported incidents involving suspected gang members to administrators, only to be ignored.

00:38:04.000 Claims supported by documents obtained by the Washington Post.

00:38:06.000 This is why I'm not going to get on Attorney General Jeff Sessions for being harsh on immigration.

00:38:09.000 I don't think that he is wrong about his perspective on immigration.

00:38:12.000 So Jeff Sessions has gotten into controversial territory recently.

00:38:31.000 Because he released a 31-page decision narrowing the grounds for asylum for victims of private crime.

00:38:36.000 So the asylum law is that if you are a victim of a government, that if you are coming to the United States because you're a political dissident, basically, that we are more likely to grant you asylum.

00:38:45.000 But we had broadened that out to include people who, for example, were victims of domestic abuse.

00:38:48.000 So you live in Guatemala and your husband beats you, and now we have to take you in for asylum. 0.99

00:38:52.000 Jeff Sessions has said this is not what the law is for, and here's what he had to say about it.

00:38:58.000 Asylum was never meant to alleviate all problems, even all serious problems, that people face every day all over the world.

00:39:08.000 So today, I'm exercising the responsibility given to me under the INA, and I will be issuing a decision that restores sound principles of asylum and long-standing principles of immigration law.

00:39:22.000 Okay, this makes some sense.

00:39:23.000 I mean, people are ripping on him, but this makes a fair bit of sense considering the fact that if you're a victim of domestic violence, that should not be your entry ticket to the United States.

00:39:30.000 The question really is whether the government is failing to protect you from domestic violence, for example, or whether the government is upholding the rights of the domestic violator.

00:39:39.000 You know, that sort of stuff is sort of a different story.

00:39:41.000 But if the goal here is that anyone who has ever suffered in the world can come into the United States, I think that that's a mistake.

00:39:47.000 Now, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't find ways to help them, that private charities particularly shouldn't find ways to help these people escape from domestic violence situations.

00:39:54.000 And there are private charities that do help.

00:39:56.000 We're good to go.

00:40:14.000 Okay, so it's time for a couple of things that I like and then a couple of things that I hate.

00:40:19.000 So, a couple of things that I like.

00:40:21.000 You gotta love the fact that Alec Baldwin still thinks that he is a relevant player on the American political scene.

00:40:27.000 So Alec Baldwin is of the weird opinion that if he ran for president, he would beat President Trump.

00:40:32.000 If I ran, I would win.

00:40:33.000 You would?

00:40:34.000 I would absolutely win.

00:40:36.000 If I ran for president, I would win.

00:40:38.000 Hands down, I would win.

00:40:40.000 Because you would not?

00:40:40.000 It would be the funniest, most exciting, most crazy campaign.

00:40:45.000 OK, that is not true.

00:40:46.000 If Alec Baldwin runs, he will not win.

00:40:48.000 Alec Baldwin barely has the support of a few people on the left, let alone anybody on the right.

00:40:52.000 He's deeply off-putting.

00:40:53.000 But if everybody, if this is how the left wants to turn, if the Democrats want to turn to a celebrity candidate because they think they need a celebrity to beat Trump,

00:41:00.000 More power to him.

00:41:01.000 Enjoy yourselves.

00:41:02.000 Keep campaigning on Bernie and Alec Baldwin.

00:41:04.000 Keep doing it, guys.

00:41:05.000 I really am appreciative.

00:41:07.000 Okay, other things that I like.

00:41:08.000 So there's a ruling that a lot of people don't like that came down from a district court.

00:41:11.000 The Trump administration had been challenging the ability of AT&T and Time Warner to merge.

00:41:15.000 There's no reason to challenge this merger.

00:41:18.000 Legitimately no reason.

00:41:19.000 So I am very much an advocate of free market capitalism, and that means that I am generally anti-antitrust law.

00:41:25.000 So antitrust law is the idea that you have to break up companies when they get too large.

00:41:28.000 The only time there is such a thing as a true monopoly is when there is a company that owns 100% market share in a particular industry and then can raise the prices to a sky-high level.

00:41:36.000 That's a true monopoly.

00:41:38.000 AT&T Time Warner would not be a true monopoly.

00:41:40.000 In terms of market value of new media, Amazon.com is now valued at $817 billion.

00:41:45.000 AT&T Time Warner would be valued at $282 billion.

00:41:46.000 So, it's not that they control 100% of the market.

00:41:47.000 They don't even control 10% of the market.

00:41:54.000 Okay, Verizon is worth $203 billion.

00:41:56.000 Netflix is worth $157 billion.

00:41:58.000 Disney is worth $155 billion.

00:41:59.000 And what you're going to start seeing is some of these companies consolidate to fight AT&T Time Warner.

00:42:04.000 Now, the people who are objecting are saying, well, the reason AT&T is trying to buy Time Warner is they're trying to buy their entertainment content and then, in accordance with the new net neutrality rules, which have been gotten rid of,

00:42:14.000 Now, AT&T is going to be able to use Time Warner Entertainment as sort of their base of operations.

00:42:19.000 They're going to use and privilege Time Warner Entertainment, and put it on their own distribution mechanisms, and privilege that content.

00:42:27.000 Okay, fine, so?

00:42:28.000 So what?

00:42:28.000 So then Verizon partners with Netflix, or Verizon partners with Disney, or Verizon partners with Fox, or something.

00:42:33.000 That's fine.

00:42:34.000 This is what competition does.

00:42:36.000 If they really want to charge me more for non-Time Warner content, and there's another company offering me a better deal, then I'll go to that other company.

00:42:42.000 And the fact is, we are now getting more entertainment for cheaper than ever in human history.

00:42:45.000 I mean, if you go to Netflix or Amazon, I subscribe to both.

00:42:48.000 The amount of entertainment that is available at the touch of a button is just astounding.

00:42:51.000 It's just astounding.

00:42:53.000 And the fact is, all these cable companies are going to die anyway because people are cutting the cord at incredibly rapid rates.

00:42:58.000 So what's going to happen then?

00:43:00.000 Well, you're going to need a new way to make revenue.

00:43:02.000 And one of the ways to make revenue is to own the entertainment producing fora that are actually making the entertainment.

00:43:08.000 And then you distribute them online.

00:43:09.000 I don't see a huge problem with that.

00:43:11.000 The truth is that President Trump has demonstrated that he's not a big fan of the folks over at Time Warner because he doesn't like CNN.

00:43:16.000 But that has nothing to do with this particular merger.

00:43:19.000 And as a free market capitalist, I think that the merger is absolutely fine.

00:43:23.000 OK, time for some things that I hate.

00:43:28.000 Alrighty, so it now turns out that Sarah Huckabee Sanders called Dennis Rodman with a message of thanks from President Trump for his involvement in the negotiations in North Korea.

00:43:37.000 This is utterly unnecessary. 0.99

00:43:39.000 Dennis Rodman is a crazy person. 0.96

00:43:42.000 And I understand, does this do any real harm? 0.99

00:43:44.000 No. 1.00

00:43:45.000 Is it stupid? 1.00

00:43:45.000 Yes. 1.00

00:43:46.000 You know, I criticized the president for his associations with Kim Kardashian. 0.99

00:43:49.000 Dennis Rodman is eight times as crazy as Kim Kardashian. 0.57

00:43:52.000 Now, if the idea is that Dennis Rodman got Kim to the table, 0.97

00:43:54.000 How about this?

00:43:55.000 How about we say congratulations to one another?

00:43:57.000 Ones can actually make some concessions.

00:43:58.000 Can we wait for that?

00:43:59.000 Otherwise you end up with tape like this.

00:44:01.000 Sarah Huckabee Sanders on the phone congratulating Dennis Rodman in an alternative universe where Biff eventually actually went back to 1955 and actually bet on the sports book.

00:44:09.000 Here is Dennis Rodman being congratulated by the White House.

00:44:12.000 Hi Dennis, this is Sarah Sanders.

00:44:14.000 How are you?

00:44:14.000 What's going on?

00:44:18.000 Well, I just was calling.

00:44:20.000 I know the President had seen some of your comments over the last several days and just wanted me to reach out and thank you for some of the positive things you've said and appreciate you being helpful in this process.

00:44:35.000 Thank you.

00:44:36.000 I know he appreciates it and again we appreciate your support, you being here and being so vocal about it.

00:44:42.000 So I just wanted to call

00:44:45.000 Okay, so there's Dennis Rodman being congratulated by the White House. 0.99

00:44:48.000 We now live in the most stupid timeline, I think it is fair to say. 0.97

00:44:52.000 Listen, can you use people like Dennis Rodman for diplomacy? 0.98

00:44:55.000 I suppose you can, but yeah, I just, I gotta say, I sort of object to the degradation of the White House to the point where they're calling Dennis Rodman a legitimate crazy person to talk about his relationship with Kim Jong-un.

00:45:08.000 Maybe it's practical.

00:45:11.000 I'm open to arguments that I'm wrong on this, but you know what?

00:45:14.000 I think it's not a thing I hate as much as a thing that I'm uncomfortable with.

00:45:17.000 How's that?

00:45:18.000 Okay, so we'll be back here tomorrow with all the latest news.

00:45:20.000 We'll be broadcasting from Dallas.

00:45:21.000 We'll see you then.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - June 13, 2018

Don’t Eat The Homophobic Chicken | Ep. 559

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