The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 109 - Trump Finally Comes Out Of The Closet

00:00:00.000 At this point, it should be perfectly obvious Donald Trump is not a conservative and a lot of his followers don't care. 0.72

00:00:08.000 Many of them love the fact that he lies and that he's vulgar.

00:00:10.000 That shows that he fights!

00:00:11.000 He fights all the time!

00:00:12.000 He just loves to fight!

00:00:14.000 They don't seem to care that he reflects precisely this many, zero, traditional conservative viewpoints.

00:00:20.000 But at least he's politically incorrect, right?

00:00:22.000 That's all that matters.

00:00:23.000 He's politically incorrect.

00:00:25.000 That is perhaps the greatest lie of all.

00:00:27.000 Trump is not politically incorrect.

00:00:29.000 He isn't.

00:00:30.000 Donald Trump is not politically incorrect.

00:00:33.000 The fact is that Donald Trump likes to cite political correctness as kind of his cover. 1.00

00:00:39.000 He's vile and he's stupid, and he uses politically incorrect as a go-to excuse for being vile and stupid. 1.00

00:00:44.000 When it comes to policy, he's often just as politically correct as Bernie Sanders. 1.00

00:00:48.000 So today, Donald Trump called placing Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill an act of pure political correctness.

00:00:55.000 That's a weird place to make a politically incorrect stand, given that Trump also said, today, in the same interview, that North Carolina's attempt to stop men from peeing next to little girls was, quote, very strong.

00:01:07.000 They're paying a big price.

00:01:08.000 There's a lot of problems.

00:01:10.000 He added, people go.

00:01:11.000 They use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate.

00:01:13.000 There has been so little trouble.

00:01:15.000 But yes, he is a true culture warrior.

00:01:18.000 Political correctness to Trump extends primarily to treating people badly or signaling to his alt-right base.

00:01:25.000 So here's Trump on cursing in front of children.

00:01:27.000 Quote, Oh, you're so politically correct.

00:01:29.000 You're so beautiful.

00:01:30.000 Oh, you've never heard a little bad language.

00:01:32.000 Here's Donald Trump on insulting women generally.

00:01:35.000 Quote, I think the big problem this country has is being politically correct.

00:01:38.000 By the way, he thinks Planned Parenthood does wonderful work.

00:01:41.000 Here's Trump on his campaign manager grabbing and bruising a woman and then gaslighting her.

00:01:45.000 I don't want to be politically correct.

00:01:47.000 Here's Trump on having police throw protesters out of his rallies.

00:01:51.000 In the good old days, they'd rip him out of that seat so fast, but today, everybody is politically correct. 0.85

00:01:56.000 Here's Trump on insulting a former POW hero, John McCain, saying he's a loser for being captured. 0.89

00:02:01.000 Quote, I'll say what I want.

00:02:03.000 Maybe that's why I'm leading in the polls, because people are tired of hearing politicians and pollsters telling the politicians exactly what to say.

00:02:09.000 Here's Trump on mocking a disabled reporter.

00:02:12.000 I don't take that back because the person was groveling in terms of creating statements.

00:02:15.000 Never say a disabled person or the disabled.

00:02:18.000 Say a person with disabilities.

00:02:20.000 In other words, you say the other, you're in trouble.

00:02:22.000 It's so complicated out there.

00:02:23.000 It's tough.

00:02:24.000 We want to be politically correct, but a lot of us don't have time to be politically correct.

00:02:29.000 Every so often, Donald Trump uses political incorrectness correctly as a description of factual claims that aren't tolerated by the left.

00:02:36.000 He's done this, for example, with regard to illegal immigration sometimes, and Muslim terrorism sometimes.

00:02:41.000 But more often, Trump uses political incorrectness as a sort of applause line. 1.00

00:02:45.000 It's cover for saying stupid, ridiculous things. 1.00

00:02:48.000 Trump is not a politically incorrect warrior. 1.00

00:02:50.000 He is a leftist.

00:02:51.000 He has always been a leftist.

00:02:53.000 But then, he takes that leftism and he slathers it in the gooey, incoherent gravy of political incorrectness and his supporters' cheer.

00:03:01.000 And that, of course, is the great irony. 0.95

00:03:03.000 The same people willing to ignore Trump's leftism because he's politically incorrect, the same people enraged at the lies of political correctness, are willing to swallow Trump's biggest lie, that he's a politically incorrect warrior, even as he champions increased taxes, abortion clinics, and transgenders peeing next to little small girls. 0.93

00:03:20.000 I'm Ben Shapiro. 0.94

00:03:21.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:03:29.000 So now we're seeing more presidential Donald Trump. 0.98

00:03:31.000 So we had Donald Trump in the primaries and he was wild, crazy man, Donald Trump. 0.97

00:03:35.000 And now, he's Donald Trump. 0.97

00:03:37.000 Presidential Donald Trump.

00:03:38.000 He said that we would be getting this shift anytime now.

00:03:41.000 He'd be the most presidential person you'd ever seen.

00:03:43.000 So presidential that you'd be bored with him.

00:03:46.000 Because he thinks that being a decent person is boring.

00:03:48.000 Which is why he spent his entire life being an indecent person.

00:03:51.000 According to Trump, apparently being presidential means pivoting.

00:03:54.000 And pivoting is something that supposedly everybody does.

00:03:57.000 We get to the general election, and now you have to appeal to the moderates, and so you pivot.

00:04:01.000 And the entire media has been waiting for Trump to pivot.

00:04:04.000 Well, his pivot looks a lot like pandering to the far left, so...

00:04:08.000 Here's the point that I'm gonna make today about Donald Trump and his pivot.

00:04:11.000 He's said a bunch of things today.

00:04:13.000 Many things today in one interview on the Today Show, where it's clear he's now quote-unquote pivoting to the general election.

00:04:19.000 Now his supporters will say, well, you know, that's just what he has to say to get elected, right?

00:04:22.000 I mean, come on.

00:04:23.000 He's really this hardcore right-winger, and he's really, this guy's gonna stand up for nationalist, politically incorrect interests, and then he's, and he's got to say what he's got to say to get elected.

00:04:33.000 What I'm gonna make the case for today is that Donald Trump's politically correct left positions on major issues of the day is actually what he believes, and he has been lying to you throughout the primaries.

00:04:43.000 Because there is predicate for everything that he is currently saying in things that he has said in the past. 0.99

00:04:48.000 Everything that he said today, all the crazy stupid things he said today, he has been saying for literally decades, but he thinks his supporters are morons and so he thinks he can get away with this. 1.00

00:04:57.000 I don't know if Trump supporters know that he's playing them for morons. 1.00

00:04:59.000 I don't know if many of them are too stupid to get that he's playing them as suckers. 1.00

00:05:03.000 But he is. 1.00

00:05:03.000 He's playing you as a sucker. 1.00

00:05:04.000 So, let's take for example today, Donald Trump's commentary on transgenders. 0.99

00:05:08.000 Here is Donald Trump explaining that he's asked about the North Carolina law that says that men are not allowed to go into bathrooms with little girls.

00:05:15.000 More importantly, the government is not allowed to force private institutions

00:05:19.000 So if Caitlyn Jenner were to walk into Trump Tower and want to use the bathroom, you would be fine with her using any bathroom she chooses?

00:05:27.000 That is correct.

00:05:28.000 Okay.

00:05:42.000 Different issue, also a social issue.

00:05:44.000 You know, there's a big move to create new bathrooms. 0.61

00:05:48.000 Problem with that is for transgender. 1.00

00:05:50.000 That would be a, first of all, I think that would be discriminatory in a certain way.

00:05:54.000 It would be unbelievably expensive for businesses and for the country.

00:05:58.000 Leave it the way it is.

00:06:00.000 Okay, leave it the way it is.

00:06:01.000 It would be too expensive to have a single transgender bathroom. 1.00

00:06:04.000 But! 0.92

00:06:05.000 But!

00:06:06.000 He would say the North Carolina law, and he went on to say this.

00:06:08.000 He said the North Carolina law itself is really not a good law.

00:06:12.000 It's generated too much economic loss.

00:06:13.000 So basically, it's being boycotted, and therefore, it was a bad law to begin.

00:06:17.000 So people are saying, well, this is just Trump pivoting.

00:06:18.000 It's just him pivoting to have a broader draw.

00:06:22.000 There are a couple things.

00:06:23.000 Number one, you can learn from what he's saying.

00:06:24.000 Number one, he's saying basically what John Kasich has said about religious people.

00:06:29.000 Right? 0.99

00:06:29.000 If a religious couple is faced with a gay couple that wants to come in and have their gay wedding catered, the religious people should just sit down and shut up. 0.99

00:06:36.000 Right? 0.97

00:06:36.000 That's basically what he's saying there. 0.97

00:06:38.000 He's saying, if you run a restaurant and it only has a male bathroom and a female bathroom, let's say you run a Chuck E. Cheese and it only has a male and a female, if...

00:06:45.000 If, you know, Bruno from the neighborhood bar walks in in a dress, he should be able to walk right on into the ladies room and you should- there are never any problems that arise from this.

00:06:53.000 Except, of course, for the massive brawl that just broke out in L.A.

00:06:56.000 high school where they just put him in a transgender bathroom. 0.97

00:06:59.000 But the other thing is that, you know, when it comes to Trump appealing to the other side,

00:07:04.000 He doesn't... Because he is of the other side, he says things they like and things that we don't.

00:07:09.000 Because this is who Trump has always been.

00:07:11.000 There's no change in Trump.

00:07:12.000 Now you're seeing the genuine Trump.

00:07:14.000 You thought during the primaries that was Trump unleashed.

00:07:16.000 No.

00:07:17.000 Now you're about to see what Trump actually thinks.

00:07:19.000 What Trump actually thinks is all the same things that Hillary Clinton thinks.

00:07:23.000 So in 2000, here's what Trump had to say about same-sex marriage, right?

00:07:26.000 Sort of on the same score.

00:07:27.000 He's always felt this way, folks.

00:07:28.000 He's just been lying to you.

00:07:30.000 Here's Donald Trump back in 1999, 2000.

00:07:33.000 Do you think gays should be allowed to be married? 1.00

00:07:35.000 It's something I haven't given lots of thought to.

00:07:38.000 I live in New York City.

00:07:39.000 There's a tremendous movement on to have and allow gay marriage.

00:07:42.000 It's just something that is too premature for me to comment on.

00:07:45.000 How about gays serving in the military?

00:07:48.000 It would not disturb me.

00:07:51.000 I mean, hey, I lived in New York City and Manhattan all my life, okay?

00:07:55.000 So, you know, my views are a little bit different than if I lived in Iowa, perhaps.

00:07:59.000 But it's not something that would disturb me.

00:08:01.000 You know, this clip, by the way, demonstrates once and for all that Donald Trump's lies about New York values are just that, they're lies, right?

00:08:06.000 He understands exactly what New York values are, they're left values.

00:08:10.000 Okay, so, on the transgender thing, he's always felt the way the social left does.

00:08:14.000 He's a social leftist.

00:08:16.000 On abortion,

00:08:18.000 Would you want to change the Republican platform to include the exceptions that you have?

00:08:27.000 Yes, I would.

00:08:28.000 Yes, I would.

00:08:29.000 Absolutely.

00:08:30.000 For the three exceptions.

00:08:31.000 Would you have an exception for the health of the mother? 0.73

00:08:34.000 I would leave it for the life of the mother, but I would absolutely have the three exceptions. 0.96

00:08:39.000 So he wants to change the Republican platform, right?

00:08:41.000 Okay, so let's be clear about something.

00:08:43.000 Mitt Romney had the same position on abortion that Trump purports to have now.

00:08:47.000 Except that Mitt Romney never praised the largest abortion provider in the country as a worthwhile organization.

00:08:52.000 You know, the chain that kills hundreds of thousands of babies a year?

00:08:55.000 Romney never praised that organization.

00:08:57.000 And he could talk about why he had converted to becoming pro-life.

00:09:00.000 Trump has never been able to talk about that because he isn't pro-life.

00:09:03.000 Romney, even though he disagreed on rape and incest with the Republican Party platform, never called for the platform to change.

00:09:08.000 The reason that he never called for the platform to change is because the platform says the unborn have rights.

00:09:14.000 That's what the Republican Party platform says.

00:09:16.000 It says the unborn have rights.

00:09:18.000 They have constitutional rights.

00:09:20.000 That applies across the board.

00:09:22.000 Here's the truth about the rape incest position.

00:09:24.000 It is a position of political convenience.

00:09:26.000 You'll see politicians take this position because they're trying to be politically correct.

00:09:30.000 It is a politically correct position to say that a woman has suffered, therefore she gets to abort the baby that is the product of rape or incest. 0.87

00:09:37.000 It's a politically correct position because the logic doesn't change.

00:09:40.000 Okay, the logic behind no abortion is this is an independent human life.

00:09:44.000 This is the entire logic behind no abortion.

00:09:47.000 The logic behind the anti-abortion pro-life movement is this is a human life.

00:09:52.000 An independent human life.

00:09:53.000 Once you say this is an independent human life, it doesn't matter the terrible, horrible things that happen to you.

00:09:58.000 It matters that this is an independent human life you don't get to punish because something bad happened to you. 1.00

00:10:03.000 When I've been asked about rape and incest, what I say is rapists should be castrated or executed. 1.00

00:10:08.000 Also, you don't get to kill babies. 1.00

00:10:10.000 Right?

00:10:10.000 If something horrible happened to you, the person who did the horrible thing to you should be punished.

00:10:15.000 But the independent human being that was created as a result of the act does not bear responsibility for that.

00:10:20.000 The baby doesn't bear responsibility for that.

00:10:22.000 So taking the baby and killing the baby is a punishment that the baby has not earned.

00:10:25.000 Right, this is why the Republican platform says what the Republican platform says. 0.98

00:10:29.000 Trump says he wants to change the platform because he's pandering to the left.

00:10:32.000 And again, the reason he's pandering to the left is because Trump is of the left.

00:10:36.000 So, flashback again.

00:10:37.000 Here's Donald Trump on abortion from that same interview, just 16 years ago.

00:10:41.000 Donald Trump on abortion.

00:10:43.000 Partial birth abortion.

00:10:44.000 The eliminating of abortion in the third trimester.

00:10:48.000 Big issue in Washington.

00:10:49.000 Would President Trump ban partial birth abortion?

00:10:52.000 Well, look, I'm...

00:10:54.000 Very pro-choice.

00:10:55.000 And, again, it may be a little bit of a New York background because there is some different attitude in different parts of the country and, you know, I was raised in New York and grew up and work and everything else in New York City.

00:11:07.000 But you would not ban it?

00:11:09.000 No.

00:11:09.000 Or ban partial birth control?

00:11:10.000 No.

00:11:10.000 I would, I would, I am, I am pro-choice in every respect and as far as it goes, but I just hate it.

00:11:17.000 I just hate it, but I wouldn't ban it.

00:11:19.000 Okay, so, again, this is genuine Trump.

00:11:21.000 From 1999, when he wasn't running for office, this is genuine Trump.

00:11:24.000 What you've seen in the primaries is not genuine Trump, and that's why he ends up in these awkward positions, where he's trying to now walk back all of these harsh positions he took in the primaries, because he doesn't actually believe those things.

00:11:34.000 Now, people have said he had this Rhodes-Damascus conversion.

00:11:36.000 Most people in their life can tell you when they had the conversion.

00:11:39.000 Trump says he has been consistent throughout his political career.

00:11:43.000 Trump says that he had some sort of conversion on abortion, won't tell you when, won't really tell you why, won't tell you how, won't tell you what changed in his belief system to bring him here.

00:11:51.000 But now he wants to change the abortion platform.

00:11:53.000 So he's doing the work that Hillary Clinton won't do, right?

00:11:56.000 He's actually changing, he wants to change the Republican platform on abortion, and he's taking Hillary Clinton's position on the North Carolina gender law.

00:12:04.000 But that's not all during this interview, right?

00:12:06.000 True Trump is now coming out.

00:12:07.000 So here's True Trump on tax policy.

00:12:11.000 For the most part, I have to say though, Wall Street people, they're aggressive, they're tough, they're smart, and they bring a lot of money and a lot of jobs into this country.

00:12:19.000 Do you believe in raising taxes on the wealthy?

00:12:22.000 I do.

00:12:23.000 I do.

00:12:24.000 Including myself.

00:12:25.000 I do.

00:12:26.000 Yes, I do.

00:12:27.000 I do.

00:12:27.000 I believe in raising it.

00:12:28.000 But has he read his own tax plan?

00:12:30.000 His own tax plan calls for the top marginal tax rate to be lowered by more than 10%.

00:12:34.000 So what is he talking about?

00:12:36.000 He's doing what he thinks he's supposed to.

00:12:37.000 He's pivoting.

00:12:38.000 But his pivot is actually back to what he believes.

00:12:40.000 Here is Donald Trump in 1991 talking about Ronald Reagan's tax cuts while testifying before Congress.

00:12:46.000 So this tax act was just an absolute catastrophe for the country, for the real estate industry, and I really hope that something can be done, as Congressman Thomas recently said, that something can be done to change at least parts of it, because it has taken all incentive away from investing in real estate.

00:13:06.000 And real estate really means so many jobs.

00:13:09.000 I mean, you have a city called New York City.

00:13:11.000 You have a city, Boston.

00:13:13.000 You have other cities and so many other cities.

00:13:16.000 But I can tell you from very personal knowledge, New York City has virtually no construction right now.

00:13:23.000 And we're not only talking about office buildings, of which there are many.

00:13:25.000 We're talking about housing.

00:13:27.000 Moderate-income housing, low-income housing, even high-income housing, where you create jobs, you create so many other things.

00:13:34.000 They buy carpet, they buy furniture, they buy refrigerators, they buy other things that fuel the economy.

00:13:40.000 And incentive has to be put back into the construction of things that are needed, such as housing of all kinds.

00:13:47.000 I heard this morning that we've had the lowest number of houses built, in terms of the housing, since 1946.

00:13:57.000 To be clear, this is him ripping on Ronald Reagan's tax cuts, saying that Ronald Reagan's tax cuts undercut the real estate market.

00:14:05.000 This is Donald Trump suggesting that tax cuts for wealthy people are bad and that taxes ought to be higher for wealthy people, and then there should be magical subsidies, loopholes for the rich, that should then be given to build things.

00:14:16.000 The real reason there weren't any housing starts in New York City during the time he's talking about is because there was heavy rent control in New York City during the time he's talking about.

00:14:23.000 There was no incentive to build.

00:14:24.000 Donald Trump had plenty of money.

00:14:25.000 He could build whatever he wanted, right?

00:14:27.000 I mean, he's super duper wealthy.

00:14:28.000 He's on the cover of Playboy.

00:14:29.000 But this is what he actually believes.

00:14:31.000 So here is the question for you Trumpsters.

00:14:33.000 Here's the question for you Trumpsters.

00:14:35.000 Do you believe him then?

00:14:36.000 And do you believe him now?

00:14:38.000 Or do you believe what he was telling you five minutes ago when he held those positions for like five months?

00:14:43.000 Do you believe the positions he held for 30 years?

00:14:45.000 And the positions he's going back to now?

00:14:47.000 Or do you believe the positions he held for that tiny five-month period where he wanted your vote?

00:14:52.000 Right?

00:14:53.000 Think about this in your regular- in your daily life.

00:14:55.000 In your daily life, okay, you're dating somebody. 0.98

00:14:57.000 And you know that for the past 20 years, this person has been a horrible drug addict and cheater. 0.88

00:15:01.000 You know that this is true.

00:15:02.000 And then, for four months when you're dating this person, the person turns into an angel.

00:15:06.000 Turns into an angel.

00:15:08.000 And then you get engaged.

00:15:09.000 And for the next two weeks, the person goes on a complete bender.

00:15:12.000 They go out and they cheat on you, and they go out and they take drugs, and they go out and they do all the terrible things they were doing before they met you.

00:15:18.000 Do you think now, when you marry this person, you're gonna get the four-month person who's trying to get something from you?

00:15:24.000 Or do you think you're gonna get the 30-year person and the thing the person's doing now?

00:15:29.000 Trump pivoting is pivoting back to what he believes.

00:15:31.000 Trump is now doing what he likes to do.

00:15:33.000 He's making overtures to the left, and this is what he will do as president.

00:15:36.000 But here's the good news.

00:15:37.000 Donald Trump really draws the line at one place and one place only.

00:15:40.000 So he gives up on abortion, right?

00:15:42.000 He's already trying to push the Republican Party left on abortion.

00:15:44.000 He's giving up on taxes.

00:15:46.000 And he's giving up on basic, not only religious liberty, but basic facts that men cannot magically become women.

00:15:52.000 He's giving up on all those things, but there is one place where he really draws the line.

00:15:56.000 One thing he will not allow the federal government to do.

00:15:59.000 One place where he is going to stand four square with the people who are not on the left.

00:16:04.000 And that's Harriet Tubman on the 20. 1.00

00:16:06.000 Okay, here he is.

00:16:07.000 Harriet Tubman on 20.

00:16:08.000 Harriet Tubman will now replace Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill.

00:16:13.000 You have so often during this campaign railed against political correctness.

00:16:18.000 Do you see this as a move that is all about political correctness or is this a move that is simply way overdue?

00:16:25.000 Well, Andrew Jackson had a great history, and I think it's very rough when you take somebody off the bill.

00:16:30.000 Andrew Jackson had a history of tremendous success for the country, and as you know, they were gonna do, you know, the $10 bill, and then all of a sudden, the Broadway play, Hamilton, or the Broadway play sort of saved that one.

00:16:44.000 And I read it just this morning.

00:16:46.000 It was going to be Hamilton.

00:16:47.000 Are you in favor of Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill?

00:16:49.000 I think Harriet Tubman is fantastic.

00:16:51.000 I would love to leave Andrew Jackson and see if we can maybe come up with another denomination.

00:16:57.000 Maybe we do the $2 bill or we do another bill.

00:17:00.000 I don't like seeing it.

00:17:01.000 Yes, I think it's pure political correctness.

00:17:05.000 They just bait him right into it, right?

00:17:17.000 They just bait him right into it because this is how easy he is to manipulate.

00:17:24.000 So there they are saying, you've talked about political correctness.

00:17:27.000 Isn't it politically correct to put Tubman on the bill?

00:17:29.000 And you know they're looking for the answer, of course it's politically correct to put Tubman on the bill.

00:17:33.000 Now, here's the argument about Harriet Tubman on the bill.

00:17:36.000 Harriet Tubman definitely deserves monuments built to her. 0.99

00:17:39.000 Harriet Tubman was a total badass. 1.00

00:17:40.000 I mean, Harriet Tubman was the kind of gal, she was a, as National Review puts it, a gun-toting, Jesus-loving spy who blazed the way for women to play a significant role in military and political affairs.

00:17:51.000 She was born into slavery as Arminta Ross, 0.96

00:17:54.000 And she knew the slave system's inhumanity firsthand.

00:17:57.000 She later went back south, always carrying a gun she wasn't afraid to use to help guide her own family and many others out of the plantations.

00:18:03.000 Apparently, she carried the guns not only in order to scare away slave catchers, but to tell the people who were with her. 1.00

00:18:09.000 If you try to go back to that plantation, I will shoot you personally. 0.96

00:18:13.000 Harriet Tubman did not take prisoners. 0.99

00:18:16.000 Harriet Tubman was tough, tough, tough. 0.83

00:18:19.000 I mean, she worked also with John Brown in terms of his revolt against the slaveholders.

00:18:23.000 She was a badass. 0.99

00:18:25.000 During one of her scouting missions along the Combahee River,

00:18:28.000 She became the first woman and one of the first African Americans to command a significant number of U.S.

00:18:32.000 troops in combat.

00:18:33.000 She organized a raid to free more enslaved people than in her decades of work on the Underground Railroad in that military operation. 0.62

00:18:41.000 She advocated for allowing blacks into the Union Army.

00:18:44.000 And she never really stopped working.

00:18:47.000 She was... 0.97

00:18:49.000 A real, a real figure.

00:18:50.000 Okay, so, she deserves monuments built to her. 0.99

00:18:52.000 Should they remove Jackson from the 20?

00:18:54.000 That's another question.

00:18:55.000 Jackson was not a particularly good guy.

00:18:58.000 Jackson was responsible for the Trail of Tears.

00:19:00.000 He treated Native Americans very poorly.

00:19:01.000 He also was, unlike a lot of the slaveholders who wrote the Declaration of Independence, he was in favor of expanding slavery into the territories.

00:19:08.000 And really opposed any attempt to curtail slavery's growth.

00:19:12.000 So there are a lot of problems with Andrew Jackson.

00:19:14.000 He was the creator of the Democratic Party, which in and of itself has been a disaster.

00:19:17.000 But Andrew Jackson off the 20 is a different question than Tubman on it.

00:19:21.000 Here's the problem I have with Trump.

00:19:23.000 Okay, so what Trump says right there, that it's pure political correctness to put Harriet Tubman on the 20.

00:19:29.000 There's an element of political correctness to putting Harriet Tubman on the 20th. 0.89

00:19:32.000 The element of political correctness is not about Tubman.

00:19:35.000 It's about the motivations of the people who decided to do this.

00:19:38.000 Because what they said is, we want a woman on the bills, who's the woman we can pick? 1.00

00:19:42.000 That is political correctness.

00:19:43.000 It wouldn't have mattered which woman they picked, whether she's deserving or not deserving, as soon as you say, we're not going to pick the best person for the bill, we need somebody who fulfills 0.97

00:19:51.000 Such and such identity politics group, you've now moved into the area of political correctness. 1.00

00:19:56.000 But here's where Trump is so wrong and so stupid. 1.00

00:19:59.000 Trump's suggestion that Harriet Tubman doesn't deserve to be on a bill more than Jackson is actually silly. 1.00

00:20:04.000 Tubman does deserve to be on a bill more than Jackson does.

00:20:07.000 She does.

00:20:07.000 That doesn't mean she's the best person for the bill.

00:20:09.000 As I've said, I think Ronald Reagan probably deserves to be on a bill certainly as much as Harriet Tubman, but 0.64

00:20:14.000 There's a case to be made for Tubman.

00:20:15.000 The fact that Trump, in the same interview where he's saying men should be able to pee next to little girls, draws the politically correct line at Harriet Tubman, demonstrates that the man has a gut non-understanding of political correctness.

00:20:26.000 He thinks political correctness just means anything with which he disagrees.

00:20:30.000 Political correctness means being politically incorrect across the board.

00:20:34.000 If you're going to be politically incorrect, and you want to say this about Tubman, fine.

00:20:37.000 Go ahead. 0.99

00:20:38.000 I think it's a dumb argument. 0.99

00:20:39.000 I think it's a waste of time. 1.00

00:20:40.000 Fine.

00:20:41.000 Make the argument.

00:20:42.000 More power to you.

00:20:43.000 But!

00:20:44.000 You can't then sit there and say men are women when they go pee-pee next to little girls. 1.00

00:20:49.000 You can't play that game. 0.99

00:20:50.000 It's just a silly game. 0.97

00:20:52.000 So, you know, usual routine from Donald Trump.

00:20:56.000 Trump did say one thing that was true yesterday.

00:20:58.000 He said that he would not be here for the media.

00:21:00.000 Thank you, media.

00:21:01.000 And this is exactly right.

00:21:03.000 Here's Donald Trump talking about the media.

00:21:05.000 Those people, look at all those cameras zooming.

00:21:07.000 They are the most dishonest people in the world. 0.83

00:21:11.000 The media. 1.00

00:21:14.000 They are the worst! 0.99

00:21:19.000 They are the worst! 1.00

00:21:22.000 They are very dishonest people. 1.00

00:21:25.000 They are terrible. 0.96

00:21:28.000 They are, honestly, and I don't mean all, but I mean like 75-80%. 0.52

00:21:33.000 And they know it.

00:21:36.000 They know it.

00:21:36.000 They know.

00:21:38.000 These are not stupid people, but they're very dishonest people, in many cases. 1.00

00:21:43.000 Do we like the media? 1.00

00:21:46.000 Do we hate the media?

00:21:49.000 Okay.

00:21:49.000 Now, I don't hate anybody.

00:21:50.000 I love the media.

00:21:51.000 They're wonderful.

00:21:53.000 But, hey, I guess we wouldn't be here maybe if it wasn't for the media, so maybe we shouldn't be complaining, right?

00:21:59.000 Okay, so he says the media's terrible, they're terrible, they're terrible, and then he finally, at the very end, gets to the true point.

00:22:06.000 And the true point is, the media has made him what he is.

00:22:09.000 Both the media who don't like him, because he's been able to run against them, by suggesting that they're just liars and horrible, and as I've said a couple of broadcasts ago, the more he lies, the better it is for him.

00:22:18.000 Because if he lies, then the media take the brunt of it.

00:22:21.000 If he lies and gets away with it, then it's a slap against the media, and that's how his supporters take it.

00:22:26.000 But at the very end, he gets to the real point, and that is, if it were not for the media, nobody would have ever heard of Donald Trump.

00:22:31.000 Donald Trump was a media creation.

00:22:33.000 He continues to be a media creation.

00:22:35.000 Now, he's become almost exclusively a creation of Fox News.

00:22:39.000 So, we're gonna go through some of the people who have been on Fox News just in the last 24 hours.

00:22:44.000 And you're about to see what it looks like when an entire network begins to get behind a guy.

00:22:49.000 Here is Greta Van Susteren interviewing Reince Priebus.

00:22:53.000 She's asking Reince Priebus about the delegate process.

00:22:55.000 Listen to the question.

00:22:55.000 His answer doesn't matter.

00:22:56.000 Listen to Greta Van Susteren's question to Reince Priebus.

00:23:00.000 Well, I think that people are going to see that we're a pretty unified party.

00:23:03.000 We all want to put on a great convention.

00:23:05.000 We don't want to put our hand on the scale.

00:23:07.000 We want everyone to understand that we want a fair and open nomination process.

00:23:12.000 We want to take the rules kind of out of the equation and make this about the vote on the floor.

00:23:18.000 Do you have the votes or don't you have the votes?

00:23:21.000 That's really the only question that we want on the table.

00:23:24.000 And everything that we can do to make it more about that and less about some

00:23:29.000 Goofy idea, or trick, or inserting, you know, rule provision.

00:23:35.000 It's better for us, and that's what we want to do.

00:23:37.000 And what she said right before that, Greta's question right before that, is she, there's a direct quote.

00:23:42.000 She actually said, how are you going to, she says, my email is filling up with people, and it's filling up with people, and she says, how are you going to convince them that the system isn't rigged against them?

00:23:51.000 There's no way to answer that question.

00:23:53.000 The question is leading.

00:23:54.000 How are you going to convince them the system isn't rigged?

00:23:56.000 I can't convince them.

00:23:57.000 If they want to believe the system is rigged, they're going to believe the system is rigged.

00:24:00.000 But this is how they operate, right?

00:24:02.000 So Greta leads off that question.

00:24:04.000 That specific question was, how can you convince people that the system isn't rigged?

00:24:08.000 Here's Sean Hannity, who's been doing yeoman's work for Trump.

00:24:11.000 As we played yesterday, he went after Senator Ted Cruz with a ball-peen hammer.

00:24:15.000 And today, last night he went after him just as hard, but only by helping Trump.

00:24:21.000 He says, I'm gonna go out and I'm actually going to basically recruit for Trump in Pennsylvania.

00:24:25.000 Okay, let's put aside Hannity for a second.

00:24:27.000 Then there's Pat Buchanan.

00:24:28.000 So number one, I don't know how Pat Buchanan is back on TV. 0.62

00:24:30.000 Pat Buchanan was widely recognized as a horrible racist and a terrible xenophobe back in the 90s.

00:24:39.000 The fellow who not only talked about Zulus when he was talking about folks coming from Africa, but also 0.93

00:24:45.000 We're good to go.

00:25:04.000 The American people are looking at this and they say, you know, whether we like Donald Trump or not, the guy went out and he has won this thing.

00:25:12.000 Now, if by poaching and pilfering delegates here and there, Cruz and Kasich can hold Trump off from the nomination on the first ballot, and then they take it, it'll be like, you know, the heavyweight champ standing there with his gloves over his head and the award going to the guy lying on the canvas.

00:25:31.000 What do you say to the argument

00:25:33.000 Well, everyone knew the rules going in ahead of time and Donald Trump should have competed better in Colorado, etc.

00:25:39.000 What's your answer?

00:25:40.000 My answer is there's no doubt about it.

00:25:41.000 Ted Cruz knows the rules better than Donald Trump.

00:25:44.000 Ted Cruz has a better ground game than Donald Trump.

00:25:47.000 And Ted Cruz is not doing anything criminal and pilfering delegates and telling them to hold out and all the rest of it.

00:25:54.000 But what I'm saying is the American people have perceived a tremendously exciting, interesting contest

00:26:02.000 And the reality is that Donald Trump won it, and everybody knows it.

00:26:06.000 Look at that TV last night, Sean.

00:26:09.000 Are people going to turn around and say, now they're going to give it to the guy who was runner-up by 300 delegates?

00:26:13.000 Why?

00:26:16.000 And Hannity sits there and, of course, nods along.

00:26:17.000 So you've got Buchanan, you've got Hannity, you've got Greta Van Susteren, and here's Laura Ingraham, who subs for Bill O'Reilly, saying, again, this is from the coverage of the night, right?

00:26:26.000 This is the coverage of the night where Trump wins the New York primary.

00:26:28.000 Here's Laura Ingraham saying, the only question is how far people will go to stop Trump.

00:26:32.000 I mean, what you're watching right here is a concerted propaganda effort.

00:26:36.000 Now, all of these people can have their various reasons for supporting Trump.

00:26:39.000 That's fine.

00:26:40.000 You can support Donald Trump.

00:26:41.000 All I'm pointing out is that Donald Trump complaining about the media isn't even a critique of the people who are in the media right now.

00:26:47.000 This is a critique of Trump.

00:26:48.000 Trump saying the people in the media are against him is like saying it's like O.J.

00:26:52.000 Simpson saying that the jury was against him.

00:26:54.000 No, it turns out not.

00:26:55.000 Here's Laura Ingraham on Fox News.

00:26:58.000 The only question is, how far will the Republican establishment go to kill off this guy who is the most popular of all the other candidates?

00:27:07.000 Now, this is analysis.

00:27:09.000 This is not an endorsement of Trump.

00:27:11.000 This is an analysis.

00:27:12.000 How far will Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan and all the other people who say, oh, they're not putting their finger on the scale, but come on.

00:27:21.000 I mean, we heard Mitch McConnell today.

00:27:23.000 We heard Paul Ryan talk about the negative tone.

00:27:25.000 Meanwhile, Sean, we're hearing about Trump staffers being blacklisted if they ever try to work again.

00:27:32.000 Now, who has the bad tone now?

00:27:34.000 Is it Trump?

00:27:36.000 Or is it the GOP establishment that seems like it's pulling out every stop to try to stop him from getting this nomination?

00:27:43.000 I think that's the real question. 0.97

00:27:45.000 And then there's, of course, Sean Hannity, who anchored this whole crap show on Fox the other night. 0.92

00:27:50.000 He raised a great point. 0.92

00:27:51.000 It's a great point.

00:27:51.000 Everything's a great point as long as it's pro-Trump.

00:27:53.000 Then Bill O'Reilly jumped on the bandwagon, too.

00:27:55.000 Here's Bill O'Reilly talking about how history will view Donald Trump as a popular movement.

00:28:01.000 Donald Trump is, of course, the big winner.

00:28:04.000 On the other side, it's hard to see how the Republican Party can deny Trump the nomination.

00:28:11.000 Unless he really gets hammered in Indiana and California.

00:28:16.000 You expect him to do pretty well in Pennsylvania, Maryland, those states on the Northeast.

00:28:21.000 But right now I would say it's 80% going to be Clinton versus Trump.

00:28:26.000 And that's a pretty high number, 80%.

00:28:27.000 Yeah, that's what it looks like for sure.

00:28:31.000 Okay, and he would go on to talk about how this is a popular movement for Trump.

00:28:34.000 So the idea the media is against Trump is just nonsense.

00:28:36.000 I mean, Fox News is certainly very much in favor of Donald Trump.

00:28:39.000 The vast majority of their main hosts have been very much in favor of Donald Trump.

00:28:43.000 Megyn Kelly may be the only holdout. 1.00

00:28:44.000 I think Bret Baier is a holdout.

00:28:45.000 But aside from that, virtually all their other hosts are pro-Trump.

00:28:48.000 And again, not a critique of the hosts.

00:28:50.000 They can be as pro-Trump as they want to be, so long as they're honest about it.

00:28:53.000 It's a critique of Trump who claims that he's been victimized by this whole system.

00:28:56.000 And of course, this is driving people to surrender.

00:28:58.000 It's driving the mainstream Republicans to surrender.

00:29:01.000 Steve Schmidt, who is a campaign advisor for Mitt Romney and a campaign advisor for John McCain, he says Trump is going to win the nomination on the first ballot.

00:29:09.000 I think that when you look now at the math of this race, and you look at the states ahead, you look at the winner-take-all states, Donald Trump is going to be the first ballot nominee of the Republican Party.

00:29:22.000 He will clear the 1237 mark by at least 50 to 60 delegates.

00:29:27.000 By the time the votes are counted on June 7th in the state of California.

00:29:33.000 And all of this puts Ted Cruz behind the eight ball.

00:29:36.000 The senator from Texas puts him behind the eight ball because you got Ted Cruz there and you can't help.

00:29:42.000 Once the momentum and the media momentum is behind a candidate, it's very difficult not to look like you're nipping at that candidate's heels.

00:29:47.000 And Ted Cruz, that's all he can do at this point is just say, Trump won't debate me.

00:29:51.000 True.

00:29:52.000 Trump is kind of fringy.

00:29:53.000 True.

00:29:54.000 All of that is realistic, and all of that is correct.

00:29:56.000 But that doesn't change the fact that Trump does have more delegates than he does, and so it looks like Cruz is nipping at his heels.

00:30:02.000 And that's what it sounds like when he says, for example, that Trump has always been a fringe and marginal candidate.

00:30:07.000 When he says that, people say, okay, yeah, but he has way more votes than you do.

00:30:10.000 So it puts Cruz behind the eight ball.

00:30:13.000 So my opinion at this point is that

00:30:16.000 As you know, I'm a pessimist by nature.

00:30:19.000 I believe that Trump will make it on the first ballot.

00:30:21.000 I think that the establishment will give it to Trump on the first ballot.

00:30:24.000 And I think that they're about to get what they're asking for.

00:30:26.000 All the Trump supporters are about to get what they're asking for.

00:30:29.000 The establishment is about to get their establishment candidate who pretends that he's a populist.

00:30:33.000 The populists are about to get the guy who they think wasn't lying to them but actually is.

00:30:39.000 And the sad thing about all of this, of course, is that Hillary Clinton remains eminently beatable.

00:30:43.000 Just today, Hillary said that we just have too many guns in America, right? 0.97

00:30:46.000 Here's Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:30:48.000 And when it comes to guns, we have just too many guns on the streets, in our homes, in our neighborhoods.

00:30:58.000 And, you know, there's been a lot of talk in this campaign, in the primary campaign, about the power of certain interests in our country.

00:31:10.000 And we do have a bunch of powerful interests, make no mistake about it. 0.94

00:31:13.000 Okay, so, I mean, look, this is ridiculous stuff.

00:31:15.000 There are 300 million guns in the United States. 0.62

00:31:18.000 There are 100 million gun owners.

00:31:20.000 Virtually none of them, really, I mean, percentage-wise.

00:31:22.000 Virtually none of them are involved in shooting incidents.

00:31:24.000 I have two guns, personally.

00:31:27.000 If this isn't the prelude to a gun seizure and gun confiscation, I don't know what else it would look like.

00:31:33.000 But she's going to win, and she's going to win because

00:31:36.000 The Trump people insist on nominating the most unpopular candidate in the history of the United States.

00:31:41.000 Matt Walsh makes this point over at The Blaze today.

00:31:43.000 He's exactly right.

00:31:44.000 The Trump people, we've told them for months, if you do this, we will not vote for this guy.

00:31:48.000 The American people have told them for months, if you do this, we will not vote for this guy.

00:31:52.000 If we then don't vote for this guy, that's your fault.

00:31:55.000 You picked him.

00:31:56.000 Okay? 1.00

00:31:56.000 If you take a ball-peen hammer and smash it into your forehead, 1.00

00:32:00.000 And then you say, and I say to you beforehand, if you take that hammer and smash it into your forehead, it's going to hurt. 0.91

00:32:04.000 Bad things are going to happen.

00:32:05.000 And then it turns out it actually hurts?

00:32:08.000 You don't get to blame me for it hurting.

00:32:09.000 That's your fault.

00:32:10.000 You made this choice.

00:32:11.000 We warned you.

00:32:12.000 We warned you.

00:32:12.000 Okay.

00:32:14.000 Now, for a couple, we'll just skip straight to things that I like, and then the mailbag.

00:32:16.000 So, things that I like will conclude the musical week here on The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:32:22.000 This is, I mentioned that I think the best, the most brilliant musical number ever written is that quartet from Sweeney Todd.

00:32:29.000 The kind of all-time musical number, the most memorable musical number, is this soliloquy from Carousel, and people who know Broadway know this.

00:32:35.000 This is John Wright, who was the original in Carousel by Rodgers and Hammerstein.

00:32:39.000 We'll play a little bit of it, but it's just, it's an amazing piece of work.

00:32:44.000 I wonder what he'll think of me.

00:32:47.000 I guess he'll call me the old man. 0.99

00:32:52.000 I guess he'll think I can lick every other fella's father. 0.99

00:32:56.000 Well, I can! 0.99

00:33:02.000 I bet that he'll turn out to be the spittin' image of his dad.

00:33:10.000 But he'll have more common sense than his puddin'-headed father ever had!

00:33:17.000 I'll teach him to lasso and dive through a wave when we go in the mornings for our swim.

00:33:23.000 His mother can teach him the way to behave, but she won't make a sissy out of him. 0.99

00:33:30.000 Not him! 0.75

00:33:32.000 Not my boy!

00:33:35.000 Not him!

00:33:52.000 It's an amazing number, because it's his whole thought process.

00:33:57.000 John Ray plays Billy Bigelow, who's a bad guy in this musical.

00:33:59.000 He's actually a criminal, and he's married to Julie, who's the heroine of the play, and

00:34:06.000 Wait a second.

00:34:07.000 This could be a girl.

00:34:26.000 And if this is a girl, it totally changes his mathematics. 0.76

00:34:28.000 And it totally changes who he is.

00:34:30.000 And he realizes that for the first time, he's gonna have to be a man.

00:34:33.000 How am I gonna provide for her?

00:34:34.000 How can I protect her?

00:34:36.000 Why do I have to change who I am?

00:34:37.000 And he's unable to change who he is, and so he resorts to thievery, and it ends up badly.

00:34:42.000 But it's an amazing musical, and this number is just... You see him change as a human being over the course of the number.

00:34:48.000 It's an amazing, amazing number.

00:34:49.000 Okay, things that I hate.

00:34:50.000 Kurt Schilling.

00:34:51.000 There's a picture, was a picture for the Boston Red Sox, and he tweeted, he put up a Facebook post about the North Carolina transgender law.

00:34:59.000 You wanna see political incorrectness?

00:35:00.000 This is politically incorrect, okay? 1.00

00:35:02.000 So, he puts up this Facebook post, and it shows a man who's dressed in what looks like a dress, but it's got pieces cut out for the boobs and for the stomach, and he's wearing a blonde wig, and this thing says, let him into the restroom with your daughter, or else you're a narrow-minded, judgmental, unloving, racist bigot who needs to die. 1.00

00:35:18.000 Right? 0.99

00:35:18.000 And that's a funny Facebook meme. 0.99

00:35:20.000 And he wrote, ESPN fired him for this.

00:35:22.000 Fired him for this.

00:35:22.000 Okay?

00:35:22.000 This is the second time they've gone after Schilling.

00:35:24.000 He also tweeted way back when, several months ago, he tweeted that 5-10% of Muslims are extremists.

00:35:26.000 Only 7% of Germans were Nazis.

00:35:28.000 How did that go?

00:35:48.000 And he was suspended for that, because apparently comparing radical Muslims to Nazis is bad.

00:35:52.000 There are a bunch of other people at ESPN who have never lost their jobs over anything remotely like this.

00:35:58.000 Tony Kornheiser suggested that the Tea Party was like ISIS.

00:36:01.000 No problem.

00:36:01.000 Kevin Blackistone suggested that the National Anthem was a quote-unquote war anthem.

00:36:05.000 No problem.

00:36:06.000 Lou Holtz suggested that a college coach was like a Nazi. 0.95

00:36:10.000 No problem there, but if you compare a radical Muslim to a Nazi, then you get suspended. 0.62

00:36:14.000 This is how it works at ESPN. 0.64

00:36:15.000 As I've said before, MSNBC with footballs, the left will not rest.

00:36:19.000 They will not rest until every aspect of our lives has been infused with leftism.

00:36:24.000 We can't be allowed to have nice things, right?

00:36:27.000 I mean, the left has to take everything.

00:36:29.000 Every element of joy has to be taken out of life and converted to leftism.

00:36:32.000 It's the only way that the left can win, is through censorship and firing, and it's just gross.

00:36:37.000 Okay, couple entries from the mailbag really quickly.

00:36:40.000 So,

00:36:41.000 Let's start with this one from Victor.

00:36:56.000 Why doesn't God convey the truth to us by talking to us or writing all the laws in the sky so we don't misinterpret or falsify his words and create different religious views?

00:37:03.000 Okay, so there are several questions there.

00:37:04.000 I believe in God because I look at the way that the world works and if you behave responsibly and decently according to the basic rules of behavior that God lays out in the Bible, you end up with a better life.

00:37:14.000 That means that there's a system that's been created by someone or something that leads good action to lead to good result.

00:37:21.000 Now, that leads to the second question.

00:37:22.000 Why is it sometimes bad things happen to good people?

00:37:25.000 Why isn't it a one-to-one ratio?

00:37:26.000 The answer there is that that dismisses free will.

00:37:30.000 Take yourself out of the human side of the equation for a moment and try to think like God, which of course is impossible.

00:37:34.000 Try to think like God.

00:37:36.000 You're not... No longer are you worried about your own personal good or bad.

00:37:40.000 You're God, and you're trying to design a system.

00:37:42.000 You're trying to design a system where human beings not only do the right thing, but they have the choice to do creative things.

00:37:48.000 When it says in the Bible that men are created in the image of God, what it means is we have creative capacity.

00:37:53.000 We have creative capacity.

00:37:54.000 Not only choice capacity, but the ability to create something where nothing was, essentially.

00:37:58.000 Which is why you can create civilizations.

00:38:00.000 You can create energy out of oil, which is magic, right?

00:38:03.000 I mean, you can do all of these things.

00:38:05.000 If you are designed that system, what social scientists have found is that if you're running an office, there are two sorts of behaviors that you want to encourage.

00:38:12.000 One is habit, and the other is flow.

00:38:14.000 So habit is, you know, you want to make sure that you put on your shoes in the morning, you get up in the morning, you put on your shoes, you do it every morning forever, and you will never forget to put on your shoes because now it's a habit.

00:38:24.000 So there are certain things in life where

00:38:26.000 Habit is necessary, and that's why most of the time, most of the time, basic rules result in basic consequences.

00:38:32.000 Don't hurt people, they won't hurt you, right?

00:38:34.000 This should become a habit.

00:38:35.000 Then there's the creative aspect of life that God wants to forward in us.

00:38:39.000 That can't exist if all you are is a creature of habit.

00:38:43.000 Flow only exists where you are feeling in consonance with your purpose.

00:38:46.000 Flow, as defined by social scientists, is the notion that, for example, like when I'm working on a book, I feel there's a certain time when anybody's working at anything.

00:38:55.000 Where you feel as though you are completely in consonance with your work.

00:38:58.000 You lose track of time.

00:39:00.000 You lose track of your surroundings.

00:39:02.000 You're just ensconced in what it is you're supposed to be doing because you're creating.

00:39:05.000 In order to have this, according to social scientists, you can't have preconceived rules hemming you in on all sides.

00:39:10.000 There has to be a freedom of movement.

00:39:12.000 There can't be a one-to-one ratio, in other words.

00:39:14.000 You have to feel free to have new ideas and do new things.

00:39:18.000 And so God creates a system where there's a certain amount of randomness and chaos to the system, at least from our point of view.

00:39:24.000 And that's specifically so that we can act with the freedom necessary in order to create, because if there was always a one-to-one ratio, there would be no creativity.

00:39:30.000 We would just be a machine, and the programming would be placed upon us.

00:39:33.000 That's why God doesn't write rules in the sky, because if he were to write those rules, and we were to abide by those rules, then there's no creativity in the machine.

00:39:40.000 The machine doesn't create.

00:39:41.000 The machine just follows its programming.

00:39:42.000 If you want to create, there has to be freedom inside the programming built in, and that's what God does.

00:39:49.000 And unfortunately, I have to cut it short a little bit this week, because

00:39:54.000 I'm Ben Shapiro, this is the Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - April 28, 2016

Ep. 109 - Trump Finally Comes Out Of The Closet

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