The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 114 - Trump 2016: Making Depressions Great Again

00:00:01.000 Oh, well hi there.

00:00:03.000 Many Americans look at the pathological lies of presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump, and we wonder quietly how we reached this point.

00:00:14.000 Two words, Barack Obama.

00:00:16.000 On Thursday, the New York Times ran a puff piece on White House National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes.

00:00:21.000 He was the man in charge of selling the terrible Iran nuclear deal to the public and the Congress.

00:00:26.000 Rhodes, whom the Times characterizes as a, quote, aspiring novelist who ended up running Barack Obama's foreign policy.

00:00:33.000 He apparently brags openly about manipulating the press to lie for the administration.

00:00:37.000 He spins fiction for the left.

00:00:40.000 The Times notes, quote,

00:00:55.000 But why should it be?

00:00:57.000 Creative fiction is the name of the game in the Obama administration.

00:01:00.000 As the Times states, quote, When I asked Jon Favreau, Obama's lead speechwriter in the 2008 campaign and a close friend of Ben Rhodes, whether he or Rhodes or the president had ever thought of their individual speeches and bits of policymaking as part of some larger restructuring of the American narrative, he replied, quote,

00:01:20.000 Entire job, not telling the truth, not crafting decent policy for the United States, writing lies for the left.

00:01:26.000 And Ben Rhodes has help. 0.94

00:01:27.000 The Times reports that Rhodes and his lackeys have, quote, become adept at ventriloquizing many people at once, turning them into their dummies.

00:01:35.000 According to the Times, the entire administration narrative, their whole story,

00:01:39.000 About the creation and content of the Iran deal, it was constructed from whole cloth.

00:01:43.000 The fiction went something like this.

00:01:45.000 The Iranians selected a moderate, Hassan Rouhani, over the hardliners.

00:01:49.000 Rouhani wanted to make a deal to put aside a nuclear weapons plan and a historic deal was struck.

00:01:54.000 Only one problem.

00:01:55.000 This was utter BS from the get-go.

00:01:57.000 As the Times reports, quote, The idea that there was a new reality in Iran was politically useful to the Obama administration.

00:02:01.000 That's the New York Times reporting.

00:02:19.000 Now, what's truly incredible about all of this is not that the Obama administration lied, and lied repeatedly, and activated shows like Jeffrey Goldberg to market their lies, and watched as the media parroted those lies over and over and over again.

00:02:30.000 What's astonishing is how brazen they are about this.

00:02:33.000 I mean, they're openly telling the media about it.

00:02:35.000 Richard Nixon lied about Watergate.

00:02:37.000 Turns out, he should have just switched party registrations, bragged about Watergate to all the friendly leftist outlets, and then let them do all of his dirty work.

00:02:45.000 All of this bears Trumpian and Clintonian fruit.

00:02:47.000 When nobody can be trusted to tell the truth, the truth no longer matters.

00:02:51.000 When the media prays you for lying, the truth no longer matters.

00:02:53.000 We have now entered the world of knights and knaves, knights who promise they are not knaves, knaves who lie that they are not knaves.

00:02:59.000 So everybody's a knight, except some are knaves.

00:03:01.000 When you can't tell the difference, lying becomes a simple mode of communication.

00:03:05.000 And then the only question is, which person will lie the best for you?

00:03:09.000 Barack Obama perfected this world of lies. 1.00

00:03:11.000 Now he brags about it to the very people he played for fools. 0.99

00:03:14.000 And they're happy to report all of it, knowing that their own readers will continue to buy whatever line they choose to sell. 0.95

00:03:20.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:03:21.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:03:29.000 So, good news over the weekend.

00:03:30.000 As I mentioned at the end of last week's broadcast on Thursday, there was a good shot that there would be, indeed, another Shapiro child to add to my burgeoning empire. 0.99

00:03:39.000 And indeed, there is another Shapiro child to add to the burgeoning empire. 0.99

00:03:43.000 And we'll announce his name later, because Jewish tradition suggests you're not supposed to do it until after the circumcision, which is supposed to take place this Saturday.

00:03:51.000 But he's a beautiful kid, and thank God.

00:03:54.000 I'll talk more about it later in the program, because it was interesting and fun.

00:03:59.000 And it's very exciting.

00:04:00.000 So we'll talk about more of that.

00:04:01.000 First, all of the depressing things.

00:04:03.000 Yay! 0.99

00:04:04.000 That's what we do here!

00:04:05.000 In case you were wondering if I was going to take time off from depression to be happy about my child.

00:04:10.000 You don't know me that well, do you?

00:04:12.000 Well, okay, so let's start today.

00:04:15.000 There's an editorial by Bobby Jindal.

00:04:18.000 In the Wall Street Journal.

00:04:19.000 And the editorial by Bobby Jindal in the Wall Street Journal basically says that he's going to support Donald Trump.

00:04:24.000 What's amazing about this editorial by Bobby Jindal is that he actually, at the very beginning of it, he sort of gets the story right.

00:04:30.000 He says that the Never Trump movement, they're trying to, quote, preserve a remnant of the conservative movement and its credibility, which can then serve as a foundation for renewal.

00:04:39.000 And he says that he's sympathetic to this aim.

00:04:41.000 He feels sympathetic to this.

00:04:43.000 But he says the priorities are just too high. 0.99

00:04:45.000 He has to back the lying, charlatan Donald Trump. 1.00

00:04:48.000 Who, by the way, he called a madman in the primaries. 1.00

00:04:51.000 So now he's saying that madman must be elected for the good of the country. 0.52

00:04:54.000 And there are a bunch of people out there who are making the case that, essentially, you have to vote for Stalin to stop Hitler.

00:05:01.000 First of all, nobody voted for Stalin to stop Hitler, just historically speaking.

00:05:04.000 Second of all, to pretend that

00:05:06.000 Trump would be Stalin in this scenario, and Hillary would be Hitler in this scenario, assumes a knowledge that is not in evidence.

00:05:12.000 In reality, this is much more like 1933, when everybody knew the Communists were bad.

00:05:16.000 Really, really bad.

00:05:17.000 But they didn't know quite how bad Hitler was gonna be, and so they backed Hitler in order to stop the Communists.

00:05:22.000 Right?

00:05:22.000 That's actually a better historical parallel.

00:05:24.000 That's not saying that Trump is going to be Hitler, only to say that you're assuming knowledge not in evidence about the nature of Donald Trump.

00:05:31.000 It's also ignoring the fact that Stalin and Hitler were allies.

00:05:35.000 For most of the time, and then only after Hitler attacked Stalin, did open war break out between the two.

00:05:40.000 But before that, they'd been allies.

00:05:42.000 So, if they're allies, were you really comfortable backing either of them?

00:05:45.000 The truth is, the West was relatively split on the Hitler question all the way up until the time he attacked Poland, because they saw Hitler

00:05:52.000 So these historical analogies fail most of the time.

00:05:57.000 But this argument is gaining credibility nonetheless.

00:06:01.000 So many people saying that anybody who opposes Trump, anybody who's not willing to get behind Donald Trump, it's because they're not conservative enough.

00:06:08.000 Clearly they don't want to stop Hillary enough.

00:06:10.000 Quick note. 1.00

00:06:11.000 The argument that a vote not for Trump is a vote for Hillary is a stupid argument. 1.00

00:06:15.000 I'll tell you why in two sentences, okay? 0.99

00:06:17.000 You ready for this?

00:06:18.000 It is not the same as voting for Hillary not to vote for Trump because it is not the same thing as voting for Trump not to vote for Hillary.

00:06:25.000 Am I voting for Hillary if I don't vote for Trump?

00:06:28.000 I'm not voting for Hillary either.

00:06:30.000 Does that mean that's a vote for Trump?

00:06:31.000 It doesn't work that way.

00:06:33.000 A vote not for Trump is a vote not for Trump.

00:06:35.000 A vote not for Hillary is a vote not for Hillary.

00:06:37.000 I'm not voting for either of them because I think they're both terrible.

00:06:39.000 Okay, but this is insufficient.

00:06:41.000 And one of the things that's that's maddening about this political debate

00:06:45.000 Is that now, you know, true conservatives.

00:06:49.000 There's two sides to this debate.

00:06:50.000 The honest side and the dishonest side.

00:06:51.000 The honest side is people who are actually conservative arguing with each other over whether it is worthwhile to vote for Donald Trump as a short-term expedient, but acknowledging that Donald Trump is not actually conservative.

00:07:04.000 Right?

00:07:04.000 It's sort of what Bobby Jindal did today.

00:07:05.000 And I respect him for that.

00:07:06.000 You know, Bobby Jindal comes out and he says, yeah, you know, I get he's not conservative, but we sort of have to do what we have to do to stop Hillary.

00:07:12.000 Okay.

00:07:13.000 Respectable argument.

00:07:14.000 Then there's the argument you're a bad conservative.

00:07:16.000 We don't even understand you.

00:07:17.000 You're a bad conservative if you don't vote for Donald Trump. 1.00

00:07:21.000 And here's why this argument is stupid. 0.99

00:07:23.000 We'll start off with, I think it's Kylie McElhaney, who is a Trump supporter on CNN with Brian Stelter yesterday, and she makes exactly this argument. 0.99

00:07:32.000 You're not properly conservative if you don't support Donald Trump in this election.

00:07:35.000 Here's the thing, Brian.

00:07:36.000 You are not a conservative if you do not support Donald Trump.

00:07:40.000 And it's crazy to me that I hear Ben and I hear Matt using conservatism as a shield.

00:07:45.000 They're now all of a sudden concerned about conservative values.

00:07:48.000 Well, where were they with John McCain, who was for cap-and-trade, who was against the Bush tax cuts?

00:07:53.000 Where was the Never-McCain movement?

00:07:54.000 Where were they with Mitt Romney, who laid out the blueprint for Obamacare?

00:07:58.000 Where were they leading the Never-Romney movement?

00:08:00.000 The fact are, those movements didn't exist.

00:08:02.000 What you have going on here is an establishment and a

00:08:06.000 ...establishment that is rejecting their voters, that says we know better than our voters.

00:08:10.000 We see that embodied in Paul Ryan, and we see the courage of leaders like John McCain and Mitch McConnell to come over and say, you know what?

00:08:16.000 My voters aren't agreeing with where I stand, and therefore it's time for the party to change rather than kicking out our voters.

00:08:22.000 This party would not exist absent its voters, and it's really irresponsible.

00:08:26.000 It's not conservative, this Never Trump movement.

00:08:29.000 Okay, so there are a couple arguments that she's making there.

00:08:31.000 The first argument she's making is that there was no movement against McCain, there was no movement against Romney.

00:08:35.000 I wrote about this back at, very early in this election cycle, when National Review, Jonah Goldberg at National Review, who's a friend and somebody who I think is a really good writer, Jonah wrote a piece talking about how he didn't want to be part of any movement that Trump was a part of, on the basis of Trump is not a conservative, Trump is, for all the reasons that I'm now on that side.

00:08:53.000 And what I said was, my only problem with this argument was not what Jonah was saying, it's that there was no similar argument about Romney.

00:09:00.000 Now, I made that argument in 2012 about Romney.

00:09:02.000 I wrote a column called, No on Mitt Romney.

00:09:05.000 In which I specifically said, it's okay to be part of the Romney movement if you're going to call out Romney for not being conservative enough and say he's the lesser of two evils.

00:09:12.000 Which, by the way, is an argument that I make today.

00:09:14.000 Although, I will say, the difference between Trump and Romney, if that's not evident to anyone, then I don't know what world you're living in.

00:09:21.000 Both in character terms and in terms of conservative policy.

00:09:25.000 Everybody who's, I mean, you have Kylie McElhaney there ripping on Mitt Romney for Romney care. 1.00

00:09:30.000 Donald Trump has come out in favor of single payer healthcare, right?

00:09:33.000 I mean, then he walks it back and walks it back forward again.

00:09:35.000 Donald, she's ripping on John McCain for not embracing the Bush tax cuts.

00:09:39.000 Yesterday, Donald Trump came out, we'll talk about this.

00:09:41.000 He came out and he reversed himself on tax cuts.

00:09:43.000 He says he now wants tax increases, right?

00:09:45.000 There is no world in which Donald Trump is more conservative than John McCain and Mitt Romney.

00:09:50.000 So you can't make the argument that purity goes out the window

00:09:54.000 Just for your guy, meaning that if the idea that the purity, you weren't pure enough when you were when you were for McCain and Romney and therefore you have to stick by Trump.

00:10:03.000 That's like saying that there's no such thing as grades in school, right?

00:10:06.000 Nobody got an A, therefore everybody got an F. That's not true.

00:10:10.000 Okay, John McCain was not conservative enough.

00:10:12.000 I agree.

00:10:13.000 Neither was Mitt Romney.

00:10:14.000 I agree.

00:10:15.000 Trump is leagues less conservative than either of them.

00:10:18.000 By far.

00:10:19.000 On virtually every issue, he's less conservative than either of them.

00:10:22.000 So this argument fails on those grounds.

00:10:24.000 Then you get the populist argument, which is they're ignoring the will of the people.

00:10:27.000 Again, 42% of Republicans voted for Donald Trump.

00:10:30.000 58% voted not for Donald Trump.

00:10:33.000 If we're going to talk about ignoring the will of the people, it's the Trump supporters who are saying to all the conservatives, jump on border, get out.

00:10:40.000 We're not even going to try and make overtures to you.

00:10:41.000 So here's the irony.

00:10:43.000 So you have this Trump supporter saying, you're not conservative if you don't support a Democrat for the Republican nomination.

00:10:48.000 You're not conservative enough.

00:10:50.000 Their own guy, their own guy says that he's not conservative.

00:10:53.000 Here's Donald Trump yesterday.

00:10:55.000 I have to stay true to my principles also.

00:10:58.000 And I'm a conservative.

00:10:59.000 But don't forget, this is called the Republican Party.

00:11:01.000 It's not called the Conservative Party.

00:11:02.000 You know, there are conservative parties.

00:11:04.000 This is called the Republican Party.

00:11:06.000 I am a conservative.

00:11:07.000 No, you're not.

00:11:08.000 No, you're not.

00:11:08.000 The one thing that he said that's honest there is when he says, I'm a Republican, but there's a Republican Party, but it's not a conservative party.

00:11:15.000 That's the whole argument right now.

00:11:17.000 That is the entire argument.

00:11:18.000 Will it be a conservative party or will it not?

00:11:20.000 And the fact that he's calling himself a conservative demonstrates the kind of damage he's going to do to conservatism.

00:11:25.000 Like, if Trump came out and he said, look, I'm not a conservative.

00:11:28.000 I'm an ad hoc populist.

00:11:29.000 You know, I'm just like Dwight Eisenhower, who is not particularly conservative.

00:11:33.000 I'm just a guy who makes policy based on what I think is right.

00:11:35.000 I'm not conservative.

00:11:36.000 Not a conservative party.

00:11:38.000 Even that I could respect more.

00:11:39.000 But the damage he's going to do to conservatives based on him saying he's a conservative is really, really problematic.

00:11:45.000 And when he says, again, it's the irony of a Trump supporter saying, you're not conservative if you don't support Trump.

00:11:50.000 And then Trump saying, we're not a conservative party.

00:11:52.000 You can't have it both ways.

00:11:54.000 You can't use an ideological litmus test for me not being conservative enough when your guy is out there saying we're not a conservative party.

00:12:01.000 And by the way, you don't get to claim that I'm ideologically unable to write Trump off when he did this over the weekend.

00:12:08.000 So here is Donald Trump, and again, he's unacceptable as a conservative.

00:12:12.000 He's unacceptable as a president.

00:12:13.000 Here is Donald Trump talking about taxes over the weekend.

00:12:17.000 I make deals.

00:12:18.000 I negotiate.

00:12:20.000 I put in a plan that has a massive, massive task, bigger than any other candidate.

00:12:24.000 We have to negotiate with Congress.

00:12:26.000 You know, I'm not going to be able to say, like President Obama, let's do an executive order, okay?

00:12:31.000 It would be wonderful, it would be a lot easier, but you just can't do it.

00:12:34.000 Or you're not supposed to do it.

00:12:36.000 He may do something.

00:12:37.000 And what he's done will probably many, much of it will be overturned by the courts.

00:12:41.000 What I'm doing is I'm putting in a plan, and that's my maximum plan.

00:12:45.000 That's what I want.

00:12:45.000 Bottom line, do you want taxes on the wealthy to go up or down?

00:12:49.000 They will go up a little bit, and they may go up, you know... But they're going down in your plan.

00:12:53.000 No, no, in my plan they're going down, but by the time it's negotiated, they'll go up.

00:12:58.000 What's amazing about this is Donald Trump is the guy who says he wants to be unpredictable.

00:13:02.000 He wants to be the guy who takes a negotiating position.

00:13:04.000 If I were to negotiate with an employer, and I were to say, look, I'm going to give you a number.

00:13:08.000 I'm going to give you a number.

00:13:09.000 My real number is like $35,000, $40,000 below that.

00:13:13.000 But I'm going to give you a number, just out publicly.

00:13:15.000 Here's my number.

00:13:16.000 My number is $150,000, but I'm really willing to do it for $100,000.

00:13:19.000 What do you think the counteroffer is going to be?

00:13:20.000 Do you think the counteroffer is going to be $100,000, or is the counteroffer going to be $50,000?

00:13:24.000 Because they know my real number is $100,000.

00:13:26.000 Right?

00:13:27.000 The idea that he's going out there and he's already pre-negotiating the deal for Democrats, right?

00:13:31.000 He's negotiating against himself, supposedly, unless he's really not negotiating against himself, unless what he really believes is that taxes should go up on the wealthy.

00:13:38.000 This is the guy that I'm not a real conservative if I don't support?

00:13:41.000 If a real conservative would support this guy?

00:13:43.000 Here's Donald Trump on minimum wage yesterday.

00:13:46.000 I have seen what's going on, and I don't know how people make it on $7.25 an hour.

00:13:53.000 Now, with that being said, I would like to see an increase of some magnitude, but I'd rather leave it to the states.

00:13:59.000 Let the states decide, because don't forget, the states have to compete with each other.

00:14:04.000 But should the federal government set a floor?

00:14:06.000 And then you let the states...

00:14:36.000 This is so incoherent.

00:14:38.000 So it's super incoherent.

00:14:39.000 It's like saying, you know, I really think that partial birth abortion should be banned across the country, and there's already laws on the books dealing with this.

00:14:46.000 And I don't know how anybody could believe otherwise.

00:14:48.000 We'll let the states decide.

00:14:50.000 Donald Trump, if you were an ideologically committed Federalist, like Rick Perry was or Ted Cruz, that's one thing.

00:14:55.000 But Donald Trump is not an ideologically committed Federalist.

00:14:57.000 You gotta be kidding me.

00:14:58.000 Donald Trump is not a federalist in any sense.

00:15:00.000 Donald Trump is—he goes federalist when it's convenient for him not to get in trouble for his big government's ideas, but the fact is that, you know, there would be pressure—does that sound like a man who would veto a bill to raise the federal minimum wage to $10 an hour?

00:15:14.000 Does that sound- because he's not going to initiate the bill, but does that sound like someone who'd veto it?

00:15:17.000 It would come on his desk and he'd say, no, we're leaving it to the states.

00:15:19.000 It has to remain at $7.25.

00:15:20.000 Does anybody- really?

00:15:22.000 Really?

00:15:22.000 Does anyone believe that?

00:15:23.000 That was not his only economic illiterate moment of the weekend.

00:15:27.000 Here's Donald Trump, the man we must vote for because he is a conservative, we've heard.

00:15:30.000 You know, it's not conservative not to vote for him.

00:15:33.000 Here's Donald Trump talking about our national debt, which now stands at $19 trillion.

00:15:37.000 Here's Donald Trump.

00:15:39.000 People said I want to go and buy debt and default on debt. 0.99

00:15:42.000 These people are crazy. 0.75

00:15:44.000 This is the United States government. 0.96

00:15:46.000 First of all, you never have to default because you print the money.

00:15:48.000 I hate to tell you, okay?

00:15:50.000 So there's never a default.

00:15:51.000 But the point is, it was reported in the New York Times incorrectly.

00:15:56.000 That you said you would go to creditors and make them take less.

00:15:59.000 It was reported in the failing New York Times and other places that I wanted

00:16:04.000 Default on debt.

00:16:06.000 You know, I'm the king of debt.

00:16:07.000 I understand debt better than probably anybody.

00:16:09.000 I know how to deal with debt very well.

00:16:12.000 I love debt.

00:16:12.000 But, you know, debt is tricky and it's dangerous.

00:16:15.000 You have to be careful.

00:16:16.000 You have to know what you're doing.

00:16:17.000 But let me just tell you, if there's a chance to buy back debt at a discount, you are set.

00:16:22.000 In other words, interest rates go up and the bonds go down and you can buy debt.

00:16:26.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:16:28.000 People had it.

00:16:29.000 The Times and others wrote, oh, Trump wants to go and see creditors and buy debt at a discount.

00:16:36.000 Now, there could even be a time when somebody comes in, but with the government, they're never going to walk in and say, do me a favor, would you buy my debt at a discount?

00:16:43.000 In business, that happens all the time.

00:16:44.000 I bought mortgages back when the market went bad.

00:16:47.000 I bought mortgages back at tremendous discounts.

00:16:50.000 And I love doing that.

00:16:51.000 I mean, there's nothing like it.

00:16:52.000 Actually, it gives me a great thrill.

00:16:54.000 But in the United States, with bonds,

00:16:56.000 That won't happen because, you know, in theory the market doesn't go down so that you default on debt.

00:17:02.000 And that's what happens.

00:17:03.000 So here's the story.

00:17:04.000 I'm sorry, he's saying nonsense.

00:17:06.000 He's speaking nonsense language. 0.90

00:17:07.000 What he's talking about, for people who are not financial experts, is the way that this works is let's say that you default on a loan.

00:17:13.000 Let's say that you can't pay the IRS a certain amount.

00:17:15.000 They come in and they negotiate with you to take as much money as you have, right?

00:17:18.000 As much money as you can pay them.

00:17:20.000 What he's saying, and what he's been saying, is, well, if there are countries that we owe massive debt, and we don't want to pay them back, we'll go to them and we'll say to them, we may owe you $100, but we're going to give you $80.

00:17:31.000 So you take it or you leave it.

00:17:33.000 Because maybe we'll go bankrupt and you'll be paid nothing.

00:17:35.000 Or maybe we'll inflate our way out of it and we'll pay less.

00:17:39.000 Right, and then he says, oh no, I never said that.

00:17:40.000 I said what I really mean is that we can always just inflate our way out of it.

00:17:43.000 Which is a way of paying back discounted debt.

00:17:46.000 If you print dollars, if I owe you a hundred dollars, and I say to you, okay, here's two choices.

00:17:51.000 You're either gonna take eighty dollars, or I'm gonna go in my back room, I'm gonna print out a stack of money, and I'm gonna hand it to you.

00:17:55.000 It's not worth anything, but I'm gonna hand it to you, and it'll say a hundred on it.

00:17:59.000 Right?

00:17:59.000 That's a way of negotiating down your debt.

00:18:01.000 He does want to negotiate down the debt, or he wants to inflate our way out of it.

00:18:04.000 The idea, we're going to inflate our way out of a $19 trillion debt.

00:18:08.000 If you like what's happening in Venezuela, where nobody has any money, where life savings are now worth zero, if you like what happened in the Weimar Republic, where people are pushing around wheelbarrows full of cash money in order to get loaves of bread, then you'll love Donald Trump's economic plan. 0.98

00:18:22.000 This is such utter insane idiocy. 0.98

00:18:24.000 I mean, really is nuts stuff. 1.00

00:18:26.000 We should default on our current, we should default on our debt, we should inflate our currency.

00:18:30.000 I mean, this is economic illiteracy at its finest.

00:18:34.000 There are a lot of people who believe that it was inflation, it was our sort of inflationary monetary policy that led to the Great Depression, and then tariffs that exacerbated it, and higher taxes.

00:18:42.000 Trump wants to do all three of those things.

00:18:44.000 He wants to inflate the currency,

00:18:46.000 He wants to increase the tariffs and he wants to make sure that the rich are paying more in taxes.

00:18:51.000 So, Donald Trump, making depressions great again.

00:18:54.000 This is his new campaign slogan.

00:18:57.000 But remember, if we don't vote for Donald Trump, we're not sufficiently conservative.

00:19:01.000 Now, the question becomes, who do we blame for Donald Trump?

00:19:04.000 Do we blame Trump?

00:19:05.000 Do we blame the media?

00:19:06.000 And I think there's a lot of people who have a lot of blame.

00:19:09.000 But there was an interesting argument made by Matthew Dowd.

00:19:11.000 I don't normally like Matthew Dowd.

00:19:13.000 He's on ABC News.

00:19:14.000 And he's a commentator, kind of a left-leaning Republican commentator.

00:19:17.000 And he says that the real problem, when you get right down to it, is Trump's voters.

00:19:21.000 In the end, people did vote for him, and you have to blame the voters for some of the stuff.

00:19:24.000 And this is an argument that I want to talk about for just a moment.

00:19:27.000 Here's Matthew Dowd making that case on ABC News yesterday.

00:19:31.000 Well I think actually the breach isn't between fundamentally between some levels of the GOP elite and Donald Trump.

00:19:37.000 The breach is between various members of the elite and the GOP voters.

00:19:39.000 I think the problem for the GOP elite right now is the

00:19:55.000 GOP voters have basically spoken and that Donald Trump represents their party.

00:19:59.000 And I think Paul Ryan and others in the party have to decide if the Republican Party as it is today, represented by Donald Trump, is their party anymore.

00:20:08.000 Donald Trump isn't the problem for the GOP elite.

00:20:10.000 The Republican voters are the problem for the GOP elite.

00:20:14.000 Okay, so he says that the voters in the end are the ones who are responsible for this.

00:20:17.000 First of all, 42% of the voters are.

00:20:19.000 But what's fascinating is that I've been hearing from all sides, all sides.

00:20:23.000 You see people like Ross Douthat has said this over at the New York Times.

00:20:27.000 Andrew Klavan has said this on his show.

00:20:29.000 Kurt Schlichter says that a lot of people saying this.

00:20:31.000 This is the new popular line.

00:20:33.000 Peggy Noonan has said this.

00:20:34.000 The Republican Party ignored its white working class base.

00:20:38.000 The Republican Party ignored its white working class base.

00:20:41.000 So this leads me to a question.

00:20:44.000 What should they have been doing that they didn't do?

00:20:46.000 What should they have been doing that they didn't do?

00:20:48.000 So I hear, you know, Mitt Romney, he just talked about globalization, but he never talked about the impact of globalization on these impoverished communities in Ohio and Pennsylvania, these kind of white impoverished manufacturing communities.

00:21:00.000 What is he supposed to do?

00:21:02.000 Really, like this is the main question and I hear job training.

00:21:04.000 The government has never had a good job training program.

00:21:07.000 There's never been anybody who was trained for a job by the government and then went out and just got that job in the private sector.

00:21:13.000 The truth is most people, almost everyone, was hired either with or without a skill set and learns the job on the job.

00:21:19.000 That's usually how people learn how to do jobs.

00:21:22.000 So this idea the government has some sort of magical training program somewhere to turn some guy who does rivets into a computer engineer

00:21:28.000 It's absolute nonsense.

00:21:29.000 It's just not true. 0.99

00:21:30.000 And if you offer some 55-year-old guy who's been working at a car factory his entire life, oh, now we're going to send you to Seattle and you're going to learn how to work at Microsoft, he's going to look at you like you're nuts. 0.99

00:21:41.000 Which you are, because that's silly. 0.98

00:21:43.000 Okay, so what are Republicans supposed to do? 0.92

00:21:46.000 Presumably, they're supposed to lie to people.

00:21:47.000 Presumably, they're supposed to tell them that government is the solution, that they can do something for them, the way that Democrats do.

00:21:53.000 They should treat white working-class voters the same way that Democrats treat black working-class and unemployed voters, and say, we're going to either give you money, or we're going to create tariffs that bring your industry back, which will not happen, by the way, or we're going to somehow help you specifically. 0.59

00:22:08.000 I'm going to do for you what we do for the ethanol guys in Iowa, with the farmers in Iowa.

00:22:13.000 And this to me is dishonest.

00:22:16.000 Republicans can lie.

00:22:17.000 They can.

00:22:17.000 We can lie to white working class voters.

00:22:19.000 We can tell them that free trade is bad and that we need to protect these industries and that your job is going to come back if we somehow keep out world competition and if we impoverish consumers in the United States.

00:22:30.000 We can tell you those lies.

00:22:31.000 We can do that.

00:22:32.000 Or we can recognize that this three-legged stool that so many Republicans are throwing out, that was the reason white working-class voters voted Republican in the first place. 0.51

00:22:42.000 So let's take a quick trip through history.

00:22:44.000 So the idea is that white working-class voters, they abandoned the Republican Party when Republicans started going in favor of free trade.

00:22:50.000 That it was NAFTA that really did it.

00:22:52.000 That it was NAFTA and all of the outsourcing and a free world economy that was free, even though NAFTA and a freer world economy led to massively increased standards of living.

00:23:02.000 Okay, that's the argument, that the Republicans lost those votes.

00:23:06.000 The reality is that white working class voters always, always could get more stuff from the government if they voted for Democrats.

00:23:12.000 So why did they vote for Republicans?

00:23:14.000 Everybody gets more stuff, more free stuff, unless you're an earner, if you vote for Democrats.

00:23:19.000 So why did these people vote for Republicans?

00:23:21.000 There's a book by a guy named Thomas Frank, who's a leftist, called What's the Matter with Kansas?

00:23:25.000 And this was sort of the question.

00:23:27.000 Why is it that Kansas is Republican when it has so many downtrodden white voters who could get more from the government? 0.99

00:23:32.000 What's driving them?

00:23:33.000 And what he found is what's driving these people are two other issues that have nothing to do with economics.

00:23:39.000 One is foreign policy.

00:23:40.000 Who are the bad guys and how are we going to fight them?

00:23:42.000 And two is social policy.

00:23:44.000 I don't want my daughter having to shower with a boy. 1.00

00:23:47.000 I don't think that my shop should be forced to perform a gay marriage or participate in a same-sex wedding. 0.98

00:23:52.000 I don't think it's okay for a mother to murder her baby at nine months.

00:23:56.000 Or for a doctor to go in and murder the baby for the mother at nine months. 1.00

00:23:59.000 Right?

00:23:59.000 It was social issues.

00:24:01.000 It was priorities other than the government is going to save my job that led to these white working-class voters embracing the Republican Party.

00:24:09.000 Now look at Trumpism for a second.

00:24:11.000 Trumpism is being a Democrat.

00:24:12.000 He's now going to these people.

00:24:13.000 He's saying, we're not going to talk social policy ever.

00:24:16.000 Social policy is off the table.

00:24:18.000 Donald Trump is not a pro-life guy.

00:24:19.000 He doesn't know anything about the pro-life position.

00:24:21.000 He's certainly not ardently pro-life, and he doesn't talk about it.

00:24:24.000 He's certainly not anti-same-sex marriage, even though he says he is.

00:24:27.000 Everybody knows that he's lying about it the same way Obama did.

00:24:29.000 When he talks about men going into women's bathrooms, he said that it's silly for people not to allow this, and he said he would allow it at Trump Tower. 0.96

00:24:36.000 Right, so Donald Trump has taken the social issues off the table, just the way the establishment wings of the coast say that we should.

00:24:42.000 They've taken these issues off the table, just like the Romney campaign.

00:24:45.000 The Romney campaign boiled down to economics, and he lost by 5 million votes, and all these white working-class voters stayed home.

00:24:51.000 They didn't like him, right?

00:24:54.000 Talking about the very economic issues people on the coast said that they loved.

00:24:57.000 Donald Trump also takes foreign policy off the table.

00:24:59.000 So he says, yeah, ISIS is bad. 0.99

00:25:01.000 We'll bomb the hell out of them. 0.99

00:25:02.000 But I don't really have a plan for them. 0.96

00:25:03.000 And anyways, our resources are being expended in the Middle East.

00:25:07.000 Let's just bring all that stuff home.

00:25:08.000 So he takes foreign policy off the table and social policy off the table.

00:25:11.000 All that leaves is economics.

00:25:14.000 And if it comes down to economics, these white working-class voters want to be lied to, right?

00:25:18.000 Because everybody wants to be lied to in the end.

00:25:20.000 It's not unique to white working-class voters.

00:25:22.000 It's true for everyone.

00:25:23.000 Everyone who wants stuff from the government wants to be lied to that mommy and daddy are the government and they're going to take care of us and they're gonna fix all of our problems.

00:25:30.000 The Reagan stool was a bargain.

00:25:32.000 It was a bargain position.

00:25:33.000 And those of us who are quote-unquote true cons, right?

00:25:35.000 The true conservatives.

00:25:36.000 The people who believe that there are standards for conservatism.

00:25:40.000 The rare ones who agree with all three planks of the stool, all three legs of the stool.

00:25:44.000 I'm a social conservative, I believe in a strong hawkish foreign policy, and I believe in a free economy, right?

00:25:50.000 I'm one of the rarities who believes these three things.

00:25:52.000 The reasons Republicans were able to win was not because most people believed in all three of these things.

00:25:58.000 It's because most of these people believed in two of the three.

00:26:01.000 Most of the people believed in two of the three.

00:26:03.000 Right?

00:26:03.000 So there were people on the coast who didn't believe in Republican social policy, but they agreed hawkish foreign policy and decent free economics.

00:26:10.000 There were people in the middle of the country who believed hawkish foreign policy and social conservative.

00:26:15.000 Right?

00:26:15.000 There were people who believed...

00:26:18.000 And so those were the options, right?

00:26:20.000 They believed two of the three.

00:26:22.000 They believed two of the three.

00:26:23.000 The people who ignored social conservatism, there were the people who ignored the foreign policy conservatism, there were the libertarians or the religious conservatives who didn't like what's going on in foreign policy, but they like free economics and they also like the social policy.

00:26:35.000 Those people are a little bit rarer, the kind of isolationists.

00:26:38.000 Those are rarer.

00:26:38.000 So the idea was,

00:26:41.000 That basically bargains are cut by finding people who believe in most of your platform, but not all of your platform.

00:26:47.000 When you remove planks from your platform, folks, when you take legs off of the stool, there's no place for coalition politics anymore.

00:26:56.000 There's no place for it.

00:26:57.000 So Donald Trump is building a new coalition.

00:26:59.000 The new coalition is people who are for big government involvement in the economy, people who don't care about social policy, and people who are isolationist on foreign policy.

00:27:07.000 So basically the only difference between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, on policy anyway, is that Donald Trump is more isolationist on foreign policy than she is.

00:27:15.000 And that she will be more active in some of these other spheres than he will, but they basically believe the same things.

00:27:20.000 He's just more isolationist and he's gonna run from her left.

00:27:22.000 Right?

00:27:23.000 So that's sort of the idea here.

00:27:24.000 Does that sound like enough to build a winning coalition?

00:27:26.000 Does that sound like a conservative coalition to you?

00:27:29.000 So this is why when people say, oh, the Republicans need to reach out to the white working class voters, I agree. 1.00

00:27:34.000 But not on the basis of handouts.

00:27:36.000 On the basis of there's still principles worth conserving in your community, your church, your family.

00:27:44.000 There's still enemies to fight abroad.

00:27:46.000 It's not just about isolationism, bring our boys home stuff.

00:27:49.000 And if you dump all that, then you're gonna end up with a pretty small coalition indeed.

00:27:52.000 And the only way to appeal to these swing voters is to hand them stuff from the government.

00:27:57.000 You might as well run a Democrat.

00:27:58.000 Okay.

00:27:59.000 All of this said, Donald Trump continues his battle in the media, and he continues his battle versus Hillary Clinton.

00:28:04.000 So...

00:28:05.000 Donald Trump, as I've said for a long time, he's really good at a couple of things.

00:28:08.000 One of the things he's good at is manipulating the media.

00:28:11.000 He's very, very good at manipulating the media.

00:28:13.000 But I think it's important for his followers to note that when he's picking fights with people, he's doing it... I don't fully believe him here.

00:28:20.000 I think that Donald Trump, in the end, says he's an entertainer.

00:28:23.000 I think Donald Trump is personally offended, and then he hides behind, I'm an entertainer, in order to cover his personal offense.

00:28:29.000 Just the way that Jon Stewart is a leftist, and then he uses comedy as his sort of clown nose on routine.

00:28:34.000 Oh, I was just joking.

00:28:35.000 That's what I do around here.

00:28:36.000 Stephen Colbert does the same thing.

00:28:38.000 Trump does that with being an entertainer.

00:28:39.000 When he says something rude or something terrible, he says, oh, I'm just being an entertainer.

00:28:42.000 That's what I do.

00:28:43.000 I'm just an entertainer, guys.

00:28:45.000 And then when it comes to policy, then he says, well, the media is out to get me.

00:28:50.000 So here's Donald Trump going after CNN.

00:28:55.000 Well, this is a nice way to start off the interview.

00:29:02.000 First of all, you should congratulate me for having won the race.

00:29:07.000 I thought, you know, at least it'd be a small congratulations, but I'm not surprised with CNN because that's the way they treat Trump.

00:29:14.000 It's the, you know, they call it the Clinton Network, and I believe that.

00:29:18.000 So, you know, let's... Wait, hold on, hold on.

00:29:19.000 Mr. Trump, I did congratulate you the last time we spoke.

00:29:23.000 I said congratulations on winning the big race.

00:29:25.000 Thank you very much.

00:29:25.000 What are you going to do going forward?

00:29:27.000 So warm and so well felt.

00:29:28.000 But you made the... No, no, no, no.

00:29:29.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:29:30.000 Let's get this off on the right foot.

00:29:31.000 I'm trying to address what you're putting out as a headline.

00:29:33.000 Well, you started off with a question.

00:29:35.000 We haven't spoken.

00:29:37.000 Last week, toward the end, I was the... essentially the nominee of the party.

00:29:42.000 And you start off with this question, which is not surprising because I understand CNN perhaps a lot better than you do.

00:29:49.000 Okay, okay.

00:29:50.000 You know what?

00:29:51.000 You're right.

00:29:51.000 Sometimes it's good to restart.

00:29:53.000 Here's the restart. 0.89

00:29:54.000 Okay, and then he goes along with it, which is ridiculous.

00:29:57.000 I mean, how does he go along with that? 1.00

00:29:59.000 It's so pathetic. 0.99

00:30:00.000 So Trump does this routine, and his followers go, yeah, he's hitting CNN! 1.00

00:30:03.000 They are the Clinton News Network!

00:30:04.000 And they are.

00:30:05.000 And they are.

00:30:06.000 Does Trump actually believe this, or is he just faking it?

00:30:09.000 Is he just doing this for the entertainment value?

00:30:12.000 Is he doing it to appear strong?

00:30:13.000 He does appear stronger than Cuomo here, because he won't let go of it.

00:30:15.000 What Cuomo should have said is, look, I'm the guy who asks the questions.

00:30:18.000 You don't get to tell me what to ask, and if you don't like it, right, then just hang up on him.

00:30:22.000 And see what he does about it.

00:30:24.000 Right?

00:30:25.000 There's no reason... He doesn't have to offer him congratulations.

00:30:27.000 What does he... This is Neil before Zod kind of stuff, right?

00:30:32.000 It really is.

00:30:33.000 And he doesn't have to kneel before Zod.

00:30:34.000 I think it's funny.

00:30:35.000 I think most people who are conservative think it's funny because CNN deserves everything it gets at the hands of Donald Trump.

00:30:40.000 Although the truth is that Fox News does too at this point.

00:30:43.000 Donald Trump was... He obviously had a major battle with Megyn Kelly. 0.94

00:30:49.000 And so Megyn Kelly has now revealed a little bit of her interview with Donald Trump.

00:30:54.000 This will be a clip 10.

00:30:56.000 And she says that, and you'll see what they say to each other.

00:31:00.000 It's kind of interesting.

00:31:01.000 You seem to stay angry for months.

00:31:04.000 Yeah.

00:31:05.000 Was that real or was that strategy?

00:31:08.000 Well, I'm a real person.

00:31:10.000 I don't say, oh, gee, I'm angry tonight, but tomorrow you're my best friend.

00:31:13.000 See, I do have a theory that, you know, when somebody does it, and this could happen again with us.

00:31:17.000 I mean, it could be.

00:31:19.000 Uh, even doing this particular interview.

00:31:21.000 I have great respect for you that you were able to call me and say, let's get together and let's talk.

00:31:26.000 To me, I would not have done that.

00:31:29.000 The Orange God King speaks.

00:31:31.000 Trump of orange.

00:31:32.000 And, uh, and I love this.

00:31:33.000 He says he would go on in that same interview, by the way, to talk about, well, actually you'll see, you'll see.

00:31:38.000 So he says, so right there, you see him. 0.99

00:31:39.000 He's such a liar. 0.94

00:31:40.000 He says, he says, I'm not the kind of guy who says I'm angry in the, at night. 0.99

00:31:44.000 And then in the morning I say, you're terrific.

00:31:46.000 Okay, cut to Donald Trump talking about how Megyn Kelly is terrific.

00:31:49.000 Here we go.

00:31:51.000 You know, Hillary Clinton, the only thing she's got going, she plays the woman card 100%. 1.00

00:31:55.000 I saw her in a speech.

00:31:55.000 Well, Donald Trump spoke a little bit harshly to Megyn Kelly.

00:31:58.000 Well, Megyn Kelly was really terrific.

00:32:01.000 She called me and came up to my office. 0.98

00:32:03.000 She wanted to make peace.

00:32:07.000 We did.

00:32:08.000 We did.

00:32:08.000 I mean, it was very nice.

00:32:09.000 Some of the stuff is said as, you know, an entertainer because I have The Apprentice, or some of it was said in fun with certain shows like Howard Stern, who's a friend of mine.

00:32:20.000 And I'll tell you what... So you're not worried about the tapes of that coming back?

00:32:22.000 It comes back.

00:32:23.000 I mean, look, what am I going to do?

00:32:24.000 Everyone else thinks it.

00:32:25.000 Everybody else thinks it. 0.99

00:32:26.000 Everything that he said about women being flat-chested, not being tens, and women should be treated like crap, and Megyn Kelly bleeding from her wherever. 0.99

00:32:34.000 Everybody thinks this stuff. 0.99

00:32:35.000 He's just the only one who says it.

00:32:36.000 And he's an entertainer, so you can't blame him.

00:32:38.000 I mean, he's an entertainer.

00:32:39.000 Come on, guys.

00:32:39.000 He's an entertainer.

00:32:40.000 But this is the beauty of being Trump. 0.99

00:32:43.000 When it comes to the media, which is an entertainment business, he can hide behind the I'm an entertainment spiel, I'm an entertainer spiel, to say really quite terrible things, and even get away with stupidities like this. 0.95

00:32:53.000 So, there's an evangelical leader named Russell Moore, and Russell Moore has come out very, very strong against Donald Trump.

00:33:00.000 And Russell Moore had tweeted that he didn't think that Trump was a good candidate, and Donald Trump tweeted back at him.

00:33:05.000 This is a major evangelical leader.

00:33:07.000 Russell Moore is a truly terrible representative of evangelicals. 0.89

00:33:11.000 Really, this is what he tweeted. 1.00

00:33:12.000 A nasty guy with no heart. 0.99

00:33:13.000 He's talking about Russell Moore. 0.98

00:33:14.000 Russell Moore, by the way, has spent most of his career talking about the decency of interracial adoption. 0.98

00:33:28.000 But he's a nasty guy with no heart.

00:33:30.000 So, he tweeted back, sad, right, and then Instagrammed to the caption, 1 Kings 18, 17 to 19.

00:33:36.000 And what that says is, quote,

00:33:44.000 The verse reads, I have not made trouble for Israel, Elijah replied, but you and your father's family have.

00:33:48.000 You have abandoned the Lord's commands and have followed the balls.

00:33:54.000 Russell Moore tweeted back to Donald Trump, is it just entertainment or is it real?

00:33:58.000 You know, you can play this game as much as you want, guys.

00:34:00.000 Is this entertainment or is it real?

00:34:02.000 When he's the President of the United States.

00:34:04.000 You're not going to get a chance to play that game anymore because he has the power of the presidency behind him.

00:34:08.000 It's all fun and games with this entertainer schtick until it turns out that he's not actually being entertaining, he's being real.

00:34:15.000 And it turns out that he's going to go after members of the media he disagrees with and target them.

00:34:19.000 And that he's going to try and change the law of the First Amendment to allow him to personally sue people with whom he disagrees.

00:34:25.000 It's all fun and games until he actually has power.

00:34:27.000 Right now he's just a candidate.

00:34:28.000 He's got no power.

00:34:29.000 He can say whatever he wants.

00:34:30.000 But this whole, whenever I say anything that's unpleasant, I'm an entertainer.

00:34:34.000 And whenever I say anything that's not unpleasant, that's me being presidential.

00:34:37.000 And it's not gonna wash when he has power.

00:34:39.000 All of that said, Trump could still beat Hillary because Hillary is so terrible at all of this. 1.00

00:34:44.000 Hillary is, she doesn't know how to handle Trump in any way. 0.99

00:34:47.000 So here is Hillary trying to fly above all of this. 1.00

00:34:49.000 Donald Trump just doesn't understand how government works.

00:34:52.000 And you combine that with a lot of what he has said about foreign policy, and then recently economic policy, when he said he'd renegotiate the national debt.

00:35:03.000 Maybe he just doesn't understand that running our government is not the same as making real estate deals, that putting the full faith and credit of the United States of America at risk would be a horrible

00:35:17.000 Thank you.

00:35:37.000 Okay, so she says that no one ever follows up with him, all of what he's saying is nonsense.

00:35:41.000 All of this is true.

00:35:42.000 All of this is true.

00:35:43.000 Right?

00:35:43.000 And it makes her look reasonable.

00:35:44.000 Except that she's terrible at this.

00:35:46.000 First of all, folks, you should subscribe so you can see all of these clips because when I comment on what people look like, I just want you to know how accurate I'm being.

00:35:53.000 I don't know who did her makeup here.

00:35:55.000 She looks like she died four days ago.

00:35:57.000 And now they've made her up.

00:35:58.000 They did some injections in her face and they made her up. 0.92

00:36:01.000 And she looks like what a person looks like when they're in the coffin and people are walking by and going, Oh, she just, she looks so beautiful.

00:36:07.000 She looks like she's asleep.

00:36:09.000 And she's and she's been dead for three days.

00:36:11.000 I mean, she's got on the full pancake makeup here. 1.00

00:36:14.000 She doesn't look good.

00:36:15.000 And so she's doing this kind of robotic Trump doesn't understand government routine, which is true.

00:36:19.000 And then here is Donald Trump responding to Hillary Clinton.

00:36:23.000 And it's just this is how he responds.

00:36:25.000 You took a small amount of the speech and you build it up like it's the biggest thing in the world.

00:36:30.000 But it is a big thing. 0.94

00:36:32.000 Hey, look, he was the worst abuser of women.

00:36:34.000 You just said I'm making too much of it.

00:36:36.000 Now you say it's a big thing.

00:36:37.000 Excuse me.

00:36:38.000 As a politician in the history of our country, he was impeached.

00:36:42.000 He was impeached.

00:36:43.000 And then he lied about it.

00:36:45.000 He said nothing happened with Monica Lewinsky.

00:36:47.000 And then he said, sorry, folks, it actually did happen.

00:36:51.000 And the guy was impeached for lying.

00:36:53.000 Okay, so you got Hillary Clinton saying he's bad at government and he comes back with, your husband was impeached for lying.

00:36:59.000 Okay, which one do you think is going to make the headlines?

00:37:01.000 Which one do you think is going to earn the media coverage?

00:37:03.000 Which one do you think is going to actually work with the public?

00:37:06.000 Again, this was always the prediction with Trump.

00:37:08.000 The one good thing about Trump as a candidate is he's so out of the box that he can hit her with anything.

00:37:15.000 I don't know that I've told this story on the air before, but I can tell it because this is basically this campaign.

00:37:19.000 When I was at Harvard Law School, we used to play poker.

00:37:22.000 And we'd have a poker night.

00:37:24.000 And one of the fellows who came and played poker was a very weird dude.

00:37:27.000 A very weird guy.

00:37:28.000 I won't give his name because this is probably criminal.

00:37:31.000 And he would talk about how he dropped acid.

00:37:34.000 Very, very weird dude.

00:37:36.000 And so we're sitting there and we're talking one day.

00:37:38.000 And he talks about how he's been meeting girls on Craigslist.

00:37:41.000 Now, for folks who have kids in the car, you might want to pause it here, and we'll pick it up again in two minutes.

00:37:46.000 So, he says, he's been meeting girls on Craigslist.

00:37:49.000 And, uh, and, so, somebody said, oh, what's that like?

00:37:52.000 He says, well, you got some weird people.

00:37:53.000 You know, there's one girl, she came over to my place, and we were going at it, and she started saying to me, I want you to hit me. 0.69

00:38:01.000 And he said, I didn't know what to do, and I didn't know what to do, and she just kept saying, hit me.

00:38:06.000 And he said, I didn't know what to do, and she just kept saying, hit me.

00:38:09.000 And so I just grabbed a toaster and hit her with it. 1.00

00:38:13.000 That's the Donald Trump campaign right there.

00:38:15.000 I mean, Hillary Clinton's there saying, hit me, basically, and he's grabbing a toaster and he's clocking.

00:38:22.000 And it's really, you know, it's maybe it'll work.

00:38:25.000 Maybe it won't.

00:38:26.000 But but it sure is entertaining.

00:38:28.000 No one ever said the end of the world was going to was going to be boring.

00:38:31.000 So, okay, Hillary Clinton, by the way, still saying that Republicans are reaching out to her campaign.

00:38:35.000 I don't believe there are very many Republicans reaching out to her campaign.

00:38:38.000 And this is a good place to point out once again, being anti-Trump does not mean being pro-Hillary.

00:38:43.000 As I've said before, in a race between Satan and the Antichrist, I vote neither.

00:38:47.000 And so that's the way it is.

00:38:50.000 Okay, let's talk about one other aspect of the Hillary versus Trump race.

00:38:54.000 And this is, I think, a disturbing point in American politics.

00:38:56.000 Lady Gaga,

00:38:58.000 Has now come out, and she has tweeted this.

00:39:00.000 She tweeted this for Mother's Day.

00:39:09.000 So, no, the country does not need a mother.

00:39:13.000 No, the country does not need daddy.

00:39:14.000 It doesn't need a father.

00:39:15.000 And all of you Trumpists who are going around proclaiming that Trump is your father, you're a sad little person if you believe that you need a politician to be your daddy.

00:39:24.000 You know, if your daddy abandoned you and now you're looking for a father and a guy who has created and abandoned many of his own children, I don't think that you're looking in the right place for love.

00:39:33.000 You want to know where fascism comes from?

00:39:34.000 You don't want to know where Der Fuehrer kind of language comes from?

00:39:37.000 It comes from a group of people who don't believe in family values, who don't actually have parents.

00:39:41.000 This idea that you need a mother in the form of Hillary Clinton because you didn't have a mother of your own? 0.87

00:39:45.000 I don't need a father, politician.

00:39:46.000 I have a dad.

00:39:47.000 I don't need a mother, politician. 1.00

00:39:48.000 I have a mom.

00:39:49.000 And this is where the disturbing kind of fascistic American political system is going.

00:39:55.000 Okay, final note here.

00:39:57.000 One of the reasons that Trump is seeing so much success

00:40:00.000 Is that the Obama administration has sort of created Trump.

00:40:04.000 I mentioned this up top, that the Obama administration's lies and their prevarications, they've created Trumpism.

00:40:09.000 More evidence of that over the weekend.

00:40:10.000 John Kerry, the Secretary of State, he says that in his commencement address, he says it's time to prepare for a world without borders.

00:40:19.000 There are no walls big enough to stop people from anywhere tens of thousands of miles away who are determined to take their own lives while they target others.

00:40:30.000 Not in a clash of civilizations, but in an assault, a raw assault on civilization itself.

00:40:39.000 So I think that everything that we've lived and learned tells us that we will never come out on top if we accept advice from soundbite salesmen and carnival barkers.

00:40:50.000 Who pretend the most powerful country on earth can remain great by looking inward and hiding behind walls at a time that technology has made that impossible to do and unwise to even attempt.

00:41:04.000 The future demands from us... Okay, so the idea of a borderless world, this one world notion pushed by the left,

00:41:11.000 is wrong and scary.

00:41:13.000 What is also wrong and scary is the idea that America should be completely insular, that we should have no trade with other countries, that we shouldn't have commerce with other countries, that we can be non-involved in the world and that we can remove ourselves from the international sphere and things will be okay.

00:41:27.000 That is also wrong and scary.

00:41:28.000 You've got the extreme manifestations on this score, right?

00:41:32.000 You've got the European far right saying nobody gets in, nobody gets out, and you've got people on the extreme far left saying everybody gets in,

00:41:40.000 And basically, everybody gets in and no one gets out, is sort of the extreme far-left statement, because if everybody gets in, there's no place for anybody else to be.

00:41:48.000 So, Kerryism creates the reaction of Trumpism.

00:41:52.000 So, Trumpism isn't coming from nowhere, but it certainly isn't coming from a conservative place, to come full circle on this topic.

00:41:57.000 It's not coming from a place of, true conservatives have to side behind Trump, because he's a conservative guy.

00:42:02.000 It's coming from a reactionary thing to the left, and them saying, okay, well we're still reacting against the left, why don't you side with us?

00:42:08.000 And the answer is, because a lot of what you represent is still the left, and a lot of what you represent is still bad.

00:42:14.000 Just because you're anti- The friend of my friend is not necessarily- The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

00:42:20.000 Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is also another enemy.

00:42:23.000 It's possible the enemy of your enemy can also be another enemy.

00:42:26.000 There's more than two sides in this particular political debate.

00:42:29.000 When it comes to the Constitution, the Constitution has two enemies running for higher office at this point.

00:42:34.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I like and then a couple of things that I hate really quickly.

00:42:40.000 Things that I like.

00:42:41.000 I've just started a book by a historian named Mary Beard.

00:42:44.000 It's called SPQR, A History of Ancient Rome.

00:42:47.000 And I had a little light reading to do while my wife was taking a nap from being in labor.

00:42:51.000 So I started this one.

00:42:53.000 I thought the labor was going to be a little longer than it was, to be honest with you.

00:42:57.000 And so this is like a 600 page book.

00:42:59.000 And I overprepare when I when I go for these things, so I brought like five books.

00:43:04.000 Thank God it was a short labor, or relatively short labor, and my wife's water broke like 1230 at night. 0.99

00:43:11.000 We go into the hospital and and then nothing was happening so they had to give her some Pitocin to push it forward and from there it moved very quickly and baby was born, all healthy, great.

00:43:21.000 I have to tell you that

00:43:22.000 Not only do I love the new baby, the first kid, my daughter, is just the greatest kid who ever was.

00:43:29.000 She is so sweet and she is so wonderful.

00:43:32.000 And my parents brought her

00:43:34.000 We're good to go.

00:44:00.000 Sits and she sits on the bed and we're reading books to her and she says, where's the baby?

00:44:04.000 Because my parents had told her there was a new baby and she's really little.

00:44:08.000 She's like 2. 0.87

00:44:08.000 She's 2 years and maybe 3 months and January 28th, 2014. 0.87

00:44:13.000 So whatever that is and she and she and so she says, where's the baby?

00:44:18.000 And so we pick her up.

00:44:19.000 And she looks at the baby, and she gets the most contemplative, sad look on her face.

00:44:24.000 Like, everything just changed, and you can see the wheels turning, and it was just... She gets very quiet, and just stares at him, kind of taking it in.

00:44:32.000 My wife started crying, it was really sad.

00:44:34.000 It's like, it is... When you have a new baby, it's really... Especially a second baby.

00:44:38.000 I mean, these are things I'm just learning, because they're happening to me now.

00:44:40.000 But when you have a second baby,

00:44:42.000 I don't know.

00:44:59.000 I don't know.

00:45:15.000 Strutting around the house going, he's little.

00:45:17.000 I'm big.

00:45:18.000 I'm a big sister.

00:45:19.000 He's my little brother.

00:45:21.000 It's just adorable.

00:45:22.000 It's too much.

00:45:23.000 It's too much fun.

00:45:23.000 Also, note, my wife is awesome.

00:45:26.000 She's awesome at this and awesome at everything.

00:45:28.000 She's terrific.

00:45:29.000 And the funniest thing ever, I was wearing, you know, this happened the middle of the night, so I'm just wearing like a t-shirt.

00:45:34.000 And when we go into the hospital, and I was wearing a t-shirt, a Batman t-shirt.

00:45:38.000 It's like a comic Batman graphic t-shirt.

00:45:42.000 And so it shows him kind of like making a muscular... and he's screaming.

00:45:46.000 He's like full-out screaming.

00:45:47.000 He's like a big scream.

00:45:50.000 And so my wife, halfway through the labor, she says, this is the greatest labor shirt ever.

00:45:54.000 Like she was using it as the focal point when she was going through labor and going through the contractions.

00:45:58.000 It's like a personal trainer.

00:45:59.000 Like she's looking at Batman, yelling at her to toughen up.

00:46:03.000 And just do it.

00:46:04.000 Like, he's going through what I'm going through.

00:46:06.000 He's just like me.

00:46:07.000 Me and Batman.

00:46:10.000 Very funny.

00:46:11.000 So, thank God everybody is doing really well.

00:46:13.000 The bris, the Brit Mila, the circumcision will take place on Saturday and we're very excited about all of that.

00:46:19.000 Okay.

00:46:20.000 Quick thing that I hate.

00:46:21.000 So, the federal government is now going after the state of North Carolina because they think that boys should be able to pee next to girls and the men should be able to pee next to women. 0.97

00:46:30.000 And one of the stupider arguments that I've heard is the argument you're about to hear right here from Chris Wallace at Fox News. 0.96

00:46:35.000 This is to the North Carolina governor. 0.98

00:46:38.000 All of this is happening, of course, in North Carolina.

00:46:40.000 Pat McCrory is the name of the governor.

00:46:42.000 How many cases?

00:46:59.000 How many cases have you had in North Carolina in the last year where people have been convicted of using transgender protections to commit crimes in bathrooms?

00:47:09.000 This wasn't a problem.

00:47:11.000 That's the point I'm making.

00:47:12.000 This is the Democratic Party in the left wing of the Democratic Party.

00:47:16.000 Have there been any cases of this?

00:47:17.000 Not that I'm aware of.

00:47:18.000 Have there been any cases in the last five years?

00:47:20.000 Why did the Democratic Party in Houston, Texas

00:47:23.000 But I guess the question is, forgive me if I may, sir, why not just then let it go if there's not a case of transgender people going in and molesting little girls? 1.00

00:47:34.000 I haven't used that at all.

00:47:36.000 This is an issue of expectation.

00:47:38.000 Well, you did say a boy who thinks he's a girl going into a girl's bathroom.

00:47:41.000 That's where there's an expectation of privacy.

00:47:44.000 When you go into a restroom, or your wife goes into a restroom, you assume the 0.57

00:47:49.000 Other people going to that restroom or shower facility is going to be a person of the same gender. 0.98

00:47:54.000 That's been an expectation of privacy that all of us have had for years.

00:47:57.000 But if there's no problem, then why pass the law in the first place?

00:48:00.000 There can be a problem because the liberal Democrats are the ones pushing for bathroom laws and now President Obama

00:48:08.000 And one of my successors is Mayor Charlotte wants government to have bathroom rules. 1.00

00:48:13.000 I'm not interested in that.

00:48:15.000 We did not start this on the right.

00:48:17.000 Who started it was the political left in Houston, Texas, then Charlotte, North Carolina, and now, frankly, in Washington, D.C. 0.99

00:48:26.000 Okay, so, here's the part of this that's so stupid. 0.99

00:48:28.000 You've got all these people on the left there saying, when's the last time a transgender man went into a women's restroom and harassed a woman? 0.99

00:48:34.000 The answer is, not often, because men are not allowed in women's bathrooms. 0.99

00:48:39.000 Right?

00:48:39.000 You see how this works?

00:48:41.000 If there's a law against beating puppies to death, it turns out that if you remove that law from the books, and then you say, well, have we had a lot of cases?

00:48:48.000 Have we had a lot of cases of people beating puppies to death with tire irons?

00:48:51.000 Have you seen a lot of that?

00:48:52.000 Why don't you just get rid of the law?

00:48:53.000 Why don't you just get rid of it?

00:48:54.000 I mean, come on!

00:48:55.000 Right, because we have a law that you're not supposed to do that, so we can punish you for doing that. 0.75

00:49:00.000 Right?

00:49:00.000 You see how this works?

00:49:00.000 It's amazing.

00:49:02.000 Right?

00:49:02.000 Dealing drugs.

00:49:02.000 When's the last time you saw somebody deal drugs to a child?

00:49:05.000 Like, right in your neighborhood.

00:49:07.000 When's the last time?

00:49:07.000 So get rid of the policing!

00:49:09.000 Get rid of the policing, because it doesn't happen in your neighborhood.

00:49:12.000 Because there's policing.

00:49:13.000 Right?

00:49:14.000 When's the last time someone was murdered in your neighborhood?

00:49:17.000 So get rid of the laws on murder, because it never happens.

00:49:19.000 Come on! 0.61

00:49:20.000 Right, because there's a law against murder. 1.00

00:49:22.000 I mean, this is the stupidest, it's legitimately the stupidest argument ever. 0.99

00:49:25.000 This argument, like, it doesn't happen often, therefore there shouldn't be a law against it. 1.00

00:49:29.000 Maybe it's not happening because men don't go into women's bathrooms, because if that happened, someone would report them to the police. 0.84

00:49:35.000 Whereas now, we're going to add this to the new regime of political correctness, where a man walks into a bathroom, and my wife has to consider, am I gonna be socially sanctioned if I go outside and I say to the police officer, there's a man in the bathroom? 0.99

00:49:47.000 And then he comes out and says, no, I'm a woman.

00:49:49.000 I'm a woman, let me tell you!

00:50:10.000 That said, men and women, there can't be any discrimination on the basis of sex, not in employment, but just generally.

00:50:16.000 No law can treat men and women differently.

00:50:18.000 And Phyllis Schlafly, who was at that time the leader of the anti-ERA movement, the Equal Rights Amendment movement, she said what's going to happen is they're going to get rid of separate genders.

00:50:27.000 In the bathrooms.

00:50:28.000 This is what was her case.

00:50:29.000 No, we'll never do that!

00:50:30.000 No!

00:50:31.000 We'll never... 0.99

00:50:33.000 Yep, they're liars. 1.00

00:50:34.000 They're liars. 1.00

00:50:35.000 And here's my final parting question on this. 1.00

00:50:38.000 Why am I supposed to feel safer with a mentally ill man in the bathroom with my wife than with a mentally whole man in the bathroom with my wife? 0.99

00:50:45.000 There's a guy in there who's dressed in a dress.

00:50:48.000 He's got a mustache.

00:50:49.000 Am I supposed to feel safer now that he's wearing a dress in the bathroom with my wife?

00:50:54.000 Then if he was wearing pants?

00:50:55.000 Like, why?

00:50:56.000 And what kind of clothes suffice?

00:50:58.000 What if he's wearing a women's pantsuit? 0.69

00:50:59.000 What then? 0.99

00:51:00.000 The whole thing is ridiculous. 0.92

00:51:01.000 But for the left, the idea is the destruction of sex and gender in order so they can create their more equal world where no categories exist. 0.93

00:51:13.000 Well, the categories do exist.

00:51:14.000 It turns out, quick note on the transgenderism issue, I watched my wife push a baby out of her 36 hours ago. 0.83

00:51:22.000 Yeah, women are different than men. 1.00

00:51:25.000 Yeah, they are. 1.00

00:51:26.000 And you're all stupid. 1.00

00:51:28.000 You're all real dumb. 1.00

00:51:29.000 Okay? 1.00

00:51:31.000 You people are out of your damn minds. 1.00

00:51:33.000 Not the transgender folks who actually have mental illness, but you people who are pushing the idea that men and women are the same. 1.00

00:51:38.000 You are so stupid. 1.00

00:51:40.000 I mean, just... 1.00

00:51:42.000 Baseline level room temperature IQ is stupid. 1.00

00:51:45.000 Wow. 1.00

00:51:46.000 Wow.

00:51:47.000 Don't tell me Caitlyn Jenner is like my wife. 0.91

00:51:50.000 He's not like my wife. 0.97

00:51:52.000 Okay, this is silly talk.

00:51:53.000 And it turns out when the baby comes out, there are only two boxes on that chart.

00:51:57.000 Male or female.

00:51:58.000 Pick one and stick with it, gang.

00:52:01.000 Anyway, we'll be back with more of the destruction of the world tomorrow.

00:52:04.000 But, you know, finding smiles in times of sadness.

00:52:07.000 That's what we do here.

00:52:08.000 And then Clavin makes you feel better about everything.

00:52:10.000 Anyway, he'll tell you that everything will be okay.

00:52:12.000 He's wrong, but go over and enjoy his show as well.

00:52:15.000 Subscribe at dailywire.com to our podcast.

00:52:17.000 We'll see you tomorrow.

00:52:18.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:52:18.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - May 09, 2016

Ep. 114 - Trump 2016: Making Depressions Great Again

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