The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 122 - Hillary Is Legitimately Terrible At This

00:00:00.000 After spending his entire presidency surrendering to various foes of the United States, President Obama is now moving to make the loss of the Vietnam War complete.

00:00:10.000 Vietnam, which largely disappeared from the stage of history after the United States cut and ran at the behest of Democrats who defunded a won war, has remained a backwater.

00:00:19.000 State-owned enterprise is about 40% of their GDP.

00:00:22.000 Their per capita GDP gross domestic product is just $6,100.

00:00:26.000 More than 20% of the population lives in abject poverty, according to the World Bank.

00:00:31.000 That number used to be 60% like 10 years ago, before there were some capitalistic reforms introduced, kind of like China.

00:00:37.000 Vietnam, however, remains a communist tyranny.

00:00:40.000 So that means that President Obama announced on Monday that we'd be selling them military equipment.

00:00:45.000 The same leadership responsible for the killing of tens of thousands of American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of non-communist Vietnamese citizens, a huge percentage of them civilians, will now be getting weapons, courtesy of us. 0.82

00:00:57.000 President Obama said he wanted to kill the ban, quote, based on ideological division between our two countries.

00:01:03.000 He sat in front of a bust of communist murderer, Ho Chi Minh.

00:01:06.000 And he said, we've come here as a symbol of the renewed ties we've made over the last several decades and the comprehensive partnership we have created over the course of my presidency.

00:01:15.000 Here's what the Chinese foreign minister spokeswoman, I guess her name is Hua Chunying said, quote, the arms sales ban was a product of the Cold War and should no longer exist.

00:01:25.000 We hope the lifting of all such bans will benefit regional peace and development.

00:01:29.000 This is typical Obama.

00:01:30.000 Ignore underlying ideological conflicts.

00:01:33.000 Pretend that all such conflicts are merely products of the time. 0.88

00:01:36.000 Conflicts between freedom and communism, in Obama's mind, that's all ancient and silly.

00:01:41.000 We can all just be friends.

00:01:42.000 We can even film episodes of Parts Unknown in Hanoi while handing weaponry to communists to show we're new friends. 0.82

00:01:47.000 He's doing that.

00:01:48.000 He's sitting down with Anthony Bourdain right now.

00:01:50.000 This is why President Obama has ignored the rise of Russia by pretending that opponents of Vladimir Putin's expansionism live in the 1980s.

00:01:57.000 It's why he's now arming a communist dictatorship by pretending that conflicts between visions ended in the 1970s.

00:02:03.000 He's overtly ignoring Vietnam's imprisonment of dissidents and their repression of free speech and their failure to allow a real vote.

00:02:09.000 None of that matters anymore.

00:02:11.000 The one has arrived to beat swords into plowshares.

00:02:14.000 Or rather, to sell swords to the people who beat those who push the plowshares. 0.60

00:02:18.000 No wonder Phil Robertson, who's the deputy director of Human Right Watch Asia Division, lamented, quote, President Obama just gave Vietnam an award they don't deserve.

00:02:27.000 But what else is new?

00:02:28.000 He's handed undeserved rewards to Cuba, and he's done that for the Iranians, too. 0.98

00:02:31.000 Vietnam's just next on the list.

00:02:33.000 Enemies of the U.S.?

00:02:34.000 They're no longer our enemies.

00:02:35.000 They're just friends we neglected to make until President Barney the Purple Dinosaur came along to sing Kumbaya.

00:02:42.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:02:43.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:02:52.000 So, it's a Monday and President Obama's radicalism continues apace.

00:02:55.000 He's over in Vietnam, as I mentioned, hanging out with Anthony Bourdain and doing parts unknown, eating $6 noodles in Hanoi.

00:03:02.000 Meanwhile, his preferred policy, you know, like the ones they have in Venezuela, that has resulted in literally burgers that are $170.

00:03:10.000 $170 for a burger in Venezuela.

00:03:12.000 So things are going beautifully over there.

00:03:14.000 I'm so glad that the left is running things here.

00:03:17.000 And this is why, when people say, I get two questions.

00:03:20.000 One is, why aren't you voting for Trump?

00:03:21.000 And the other is, why do you think Trump rose?

00:03:23.000 Why do I think Trump rose is kind of a more interesting question to me, because I've talked at length about why I'm not voting for Trump, at least as of now.

00:03:30.000 And the answer is because the left is so terrible.

00:03:33.000 The left is so terrible it's driving people into the arms of a bad guy like Donald Trump.

00:03:37.000 Dennis Prager, for whom I have tremendous admiration, he tweeted out this morning he can't understand why anyone wouldn't just vote for the vehicle that's anti-the left.

00:03:46.000 My answer is that Trump is a member of the left, but his philosophy is sort of why there are so many people who are jumping to defense of Trump.

00:03:53.000 Because there's now a big consolidation that's taking place.

00:03:56.000 A lot of people falling behind Donald Trump specifically to stop the left.

00:03:59.000 And the reason for that is you look at the left and they truly are awful.

00:04:02.000 So, for example,

00:04:04.000 There's this rapper who's now been caught on tape, and he calls himself War Machine 3.

00:04:11.000 War Machine 3.

00:04:11.000 This is his given name.

00:04:12.000 He came out of his mother, and she looked down at him.

00:04:14.000 She said, I shall call him War Machine 3.

00:04:16.000 His father was War Machine II, and his grandfather was War Machine I.

00:04:20.000 And so he's now tweeting, and he says, he tweets, Dear White People, if Trump wins, young N-words such as myself are fully hell-bent on inciting riots everywhere we go, just so you know.

00:04:30.000 Which is really just wonderful.

00:04:33.000 And now there's another rapper, his name is Main Music.

00:04:36.000 This is Maine music, and it's spelled, of course, Maine, like the state, and music, M-U-Z-I-K, because there's been some sort of blanket ban in the rap community on spelling in English.

00:04:46.000 We now have to spell everything incorrectly.

00:04:49.000 So Donald Trump is actually spelled Z-X-U-M-L. 0.95

00:04:53.000 So here's what he had to say about Donald Trump and how he wants to kill Donald Trump, actually. 0.52

00:05:00.000 Why y'all criticizing me? 1.00

00:05:01.000 Nah, y'all scared because y'all see a n***a got a motherf***er hunting around. 1.00

00:05:04.000 Take the government to war, take the army to war, take the brave team to war. 0.99

00:05:08.000 I can go to war with who the f*** I want to, but I really want to go to war with Donald Trump because Donald Trump trying to take food stamps from my mom and that's all the f*** she got. 0.96

00:05:16.000 So it continues along these lines. 0.97

00:05:18.000 It doesn't make for great radio because literally every other word has to be bleeped.

00:05:38.000 So there's that.

00:05:39.000 Also, you can't really understand what he's saying when he is speaking, and it's not bleeped.

00:05:43.000 What he is saying there is I could go to war with whomever the F I want to, but I really want to go to war with Donald Trump because Donald Trump trying to take food stamps from my mama, and that's all the F she's got.

00:05:55.000 The reaction of a lot of people to this sort of thing is, okay, I'm voting for Donald Trump.

00:05:59.000 Because you look at that and you go, if the alternative is people who are going to pander to that guy, the guy who threatens riots if he doesn't steal other people's money, which is what food stamps are, it's a redistributionist scheme, then...

00:06:11.000 I'll vote for Donald Trump.

00:06:13.000 And you get this feeling also from people who are more elevated in the discourse.

00:06:16.000 Joanne Reid, for example, is a commentator on MSNBC.

00:06:19.000 And there was a woman last week who was working, I think it was at a Home Depot, and she was wearing a hat that said, America was never great.

00:06:28.000 And this became a big cause celeb among the left because a lot of people didn't like that she was wearing this hat that said America was never great.

00:06:35.000 And so Joanne read a bunch of people on the left.

00:06:38.000 They say that Donald Trump's slogan, Make America Great Again, is actually a racist slogan.

00:06:43.000 But I think what Donald Trump sort of hit upon with his Make America Great Again message is the sense of nostalgia that a certain kind of white, particularly white voter, has for a bygone era.

00:06:56.000 And it gets right to it.

00:06:58.000 Okay, so she says that this is sort of racism, and that when people say, Make America Great Again, what they're really thinking about is the segregationist era.

00:07:05.000 Sean King, who's a white guy who pretends to be a black guy over at the Daily News and gets paid for it, he wrote a column on this today, and he sort of said the same thing.

00:07:12.000 He said, I wrote a column about the word again in Trump's slogan.

00:07:15.000 I think it's a racist dog whistle, and it gets to the heart of the point of the hat Crystal Lake was wearing. 0.51

00:07:21.000 That was the name of the 22-year-old.

00:07:22.000 Her actual name is Crystal Lake. 0.96

00:07:24.000 No, that's not a stripper name. 0.98

00:07:25.000 That's her real name.

00:07:26.000 She said,

00:07:44.000 And so people react to this and they say, well, that's not really what Trump is saying, right?

00:07:48.000 Trump isn't saying that America was better when it was segregated.

00:07:50.000 He wasn't saying America was better when there was a civil war here.

00:07:54.000 What he's saying is that there are certain elements of America that have been lost, like basic morality and decency.

00:07:59.000 Like America's place in the world in terms of its power in the world and its influence in the world.

00:08:04.000 These things have been lost and he wants to bring those things back.

00:08:08.000 He's not saying make America like it was in the 1950s.

00:08:10.000 He's saying bring back American greatness in the areas where American greatness doesn't exist.

00:08:15.000 And I'll defend Trump's slogan.

00:08:16.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with the slogan.

00:08:17.000 I think you can read it in a bad way if you want to read it in a bad way.

00:08:20.000 But there's nothing wrong with the idea of make America great again, because the idea isn't just... There are two ways to read that.

00:08:25.000 Make America great again like it was great before, and make America great again.

00:08:29.000 Basically, we need to become great as we have been great in the past, but the way we were great in the past was in relation to other things.

00:08:35.000 Great is a term of relationship, right?

00:08:37.000 If I just say something is great, if I say a movie was great, the reason that has meaning is because you know what a bad movie looks like.

00:08:44.000 If I just say the sky today is great, that doesn't mean anything.

00:08:47.000 It's a relational term.

00:08:48.000 So when you say make America great again, you mean in relation to other nations, in relation to the morality that prevails today, in relation to the economics that prevails today.

00:08:56.000 That's what he means by make America great again.

00:08:58.000 But there are people out there who would rather wear a hat that says America was never great, which is nonsense.

00:09:03.000 Of course America was great.

00:09:04.000 Was America not great when we were defeating the Nazis? 0.81

00:09:06.000 Was America not great when we were winning the Cold War?

00:09:08.000 Was America not great when we were, at the cost of hundreds of thousands of American lives, abolishing slavery on this continent?

00:09:14.000 Is that when America wasn't great?

00:09:16.000 This is silliness.

00:09:18.000 So what you have is reactionaries on both sides who are now fighting against each other and so people look at this sort of thing and they go, okay fine, I'll back Trump.

00:09:25.000 If I have a choice between America was never great and make America great again, then I'll take make America great again because I think America has been a pretty great place and I think there are some things that are currently lacking.

00:09:35.000 No one's ever said America was perfect at any point in time.

00:09:38.000 Nobody says there was some sort of halcyon era where America was just the greatest thing that it would ever be, and it couldn't be improved.

00:09:43.000 No one believes that.

00:09:45.000 But the left puts up that straw man specifically so they can criticize America.

00:09:48.000 This is their favorite thing to do.

00:09:50.000 America is constantly a place in need of work.

00:09:52.000 That's why we always need hope and change, right? 0.61

00:09:54.000 When Obama said he wanted to fundamentally transform America, the implication was America's a pretty crappy place.

00:10:00.000 No conservative has ever said we need to fundamentally transform America.

00:10:04.000 What we've said is we need to change the way we do business, or we need to change this, or we need to change that.

00:10:08.000 But the fundamental underlying idea of America doesn't need to change.

00:10:11.000 That needs to be revivified.

00:10:13.000 Okay, so all of this kind of leftist reactionary nonsense is driving the Trump reaction.

00:10:18.000 It's driving the Trump reaction, and it's driving a Trump reaction that's really quite terrible.

00:10:23.000 The same thing is true with regard to, for example, border politics.

00:10:26.000 So Univision is now promoting the opposite of Trump's Make America Great Again hat.

00:10:32.000 They're now promoting the slogan Make America Mexico Again.

00:10:35.000 This is their new thing.

00:10:37.000 I saw a picture of the cap on the website Latino Rebels.

00:10:41.000 And I thought it was really funny.

00:10:43.000 And I wanted a hat because I don't like Trump.

00:10:46.000 Meanwhile, Jeronimo says he's been insulted by this initiative.

00:10:48.000 I've been told I'm a racist against white people. 0.85

00:10:50.000 I've been told I'm crazy. 0.99

00:10:51.000 I've been told I'm a traitor against the United States. 0.99

00:10:54.000 I think it's very ugly, very racist. 0.95

00:10:55.000 I imagine him wearing this hat.

00:11:05.000 For folks who can't speak Spanish, including me, I can read the transcript here, so I can read the subtitles.

00:11:10.000 This is why you need to subscribe at DailyWire.com so you know what we're talking about here.

00:11:14.000 It's very difficult.

00:11:15.000 We've now played two tapes today, where if you don't see the visual, it's a little bit hard to understand.

00:11:19.000 It's this Latino guy, presumably Mexican, and he made a hat that says, Make America Mexico Again. 0.99

00:11:25.000 And Univision was pushing this, this Make America Mexico Again hat.

00:11:28.000 And the idea was, he hates Trump so much, that it's not Make America Great Again, it's Make America Mexico Again.

00:11:34.000 So, most Americans react to that by, we don't want to do that. 1.00

00:11:38.000 Mexico is a crap hole. 1.00

00:11:39.000 Mexico is a terrible place to live. 1.00

00:11:41.000 Why would we possibly want to make America Mexico again? 1.00

00:11:44.000 Forget about the people who live there.

00:11:45.000 Just look at their governance.

00:11:46.000 Look at the way the country is run.

00:11:47.000 Make America Mexico? 0.97

00:11:48.000 That's a terrible idea.

00:11:50.000 And if people really wanted to live in Mexico so badly, why are they jumping the border illegally to live here? 0.80

00:11:54.000 So people react to this sort of thing with, okay, well, whoever these people are against, I must be for.

00:11:59.000 The enemy of my enemy is my friend politics is very strong.

00:12:02.000 Whoever, I said yesterday on Twitter, anybody who had coined the, who had trademarked the phrase lesser of two evils would be in the money in this election cycle.

00:12:11.000 Because that's basically what it is.

00:12:12.000 It's the enemy of my enemy is my friend and the lesser of two evils.

00:12:16.000 And that being said, one of the reasons Trump is succeeding, there are a bunch of polls over the weekend that show that Trump's up two, maybe three points.

00:12:22.000 There's a couple of polls that show that he's down 4 or 5, but in the poll averages, for the first time, Trump is actually ahead of Hillary Clinton.

00:12:29.000 Part of that is because of Trump, because he's bombastic, because he's fun to watch, because he sucks up media attention.

00:12:34.000 A lot of it is because of the people who hate Trump, and a lot of it is because of Hillary Clinton.

00:12:38.000 Hillary Clinton is terrible at everything and she has no real line of attack on Trump. 0.99

00:12:42.000 So any normal Democrat would be able to attack Donald Trump on all of his positional switches.

00:12:47.000 They'd be able to attack him on his corruption.

00:12:50.000 They'd be able to attack him on the fact that he has no coherent principles.

00:12:53.000 They'd be able to attack him on his treatment of women.

00:12:55.000 They'd be able to attack him on his treatment of the disabled. 0.98

00:12:57.000 They'd be able to attack him every which way.

00:13:00.000 The problem is we now have two mud monsters throwing mud at each other. 1.00

00:13:03.000 So, Hillary Clinton is running, honest to God, one of the worst campaigns I've ever seen. 1.00

00:13:07.000 I mean, this is truly an awful campaign.

00:13:09.000 This campaign makes Jeb Bush's campaign look like it deserved the exclamation point.

00:13:14.000 Hillary Clinton is on national TV over the weekend, and she's talking about Donald Trump.

00:13:18.000 You wonder why Donald Trump is winning?

00:13:19.000 It's because this is the person he's facing. 0.98

00:13:21.000 Hillary Clinton, let's open that maw of hell and listen to the voice of Satan. 1.00

00:13:25.000 Let's go. 0.62

00:13:26.000 I think he needs to release his tax returns.

00:13:29.000 The only two we have show that he hasn't paid a penny in taxes.

00:13:33.000 And yet he goes around talking about Make America Great.

00:13:36.000 You know, that means paying for our military.

00:13:39.000 That means paying for our roads.

00:13:41.000 That means paying for the VA.

00:13:43.000 That means a lot of things.

00:13:44.000 And if you've got someone running for president who's afraid to release his tax returns because it will expose the fact that he pays no federal income tax, I think that's a big problem.

00:13:53.000 But my question was, there's nothing about his background that is praiseworthy?

00:13:57.000 We'll find out.

00:13:59.000 Because we have to get below the hype.

00:14:00.000 We have to find what the reality is.

00:14:03.000 You don't feel like you know that?

00:14:04.000 I don't think the country knows it.

00:14:07.000 I think that we're beginning to find out, but I don't think we know enough, and that's why he should release his tax returns.

00:14:13.000 Prove that he actually has the level of success he claims to have.

00:14:18.000 How Chuck Todd does not follow up that question with, and you didn't release any of your Goldman Sachs speeches is beyond me, or why does your foundation keep amending its tax returns over and over over the past three to five years?

00:14:29.000 Right, it's sort of amazing that that's not the comeback, but that's the comeback in everybody's mind, and that's why this doesn't work.

00:14:33.000 She's sitting there going, well, he's really not qualified.

00:14:35.000 I can't name anything in his career that makes me think he's qualified.

00:14:38.000 You went to his wedding, you took his money, and now you're saying he ought to be more transparent with the public when you had a server full of 30,000 emails that you tried to hide, and you deleted however many else that we don't even know about, and you won't release your speeches to Goldman Sachs.

00:14:52.000 So, this is the problem for Hillary. 1.00

00:14:54.000 Every time she attacks Trump,

00:14:56.000 It's like a boomerang.

00:14:57.000 It comes right back on her because trying to attack Trump over non-transparency is a giant fail.

00:15:02.000 One reason Trump is winning.

00:15:03.000 And she's terrible at this all the way around. 1.00

00:15:06.000 She's such a pathological liar that the polls show 57% of Americans don't trust Donald Trump. 0.98

00:15:13.000 66% of Americans don't trust Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:15:15.000 So you found a narcissistic pathological liar like Donald Trump and you're losing to him in terms of trustworthy numbers. 0.98

00:15:20.000 And by the way, you deserve to lose to him in terms of trustworthy numbers. 0.98

00:15:24.000 She's not even good at this with her own side.

00:15:27.000 So Hillary Clinton attacks Bernie Sanders too. 1.00

00:15:29.000 She's trying to fend off Bernie Sanders who's approaching from the rear very slowly on a walker.

00:15:34.000 It's also fair to say that I have been vetted and tested and I think that that puts me in a very strong position.

00:15:38.000 You don't think Bernie Sanders has been vetted?

00:15:39.000 You don't think this one long year of campaign, your campaign against him, has vetted him?

00:16:03.000 Let me say that I don't think he's had a single negative ad ever run against him.

00:16:06.000 And that's fine.

00:16:07.000 But we know what we're going into and we understand what it's going to take to win in the fall.

00:16:13.000 Okay, she says that there's never been an ad against him.

00:16:15.000 She's produced them.

00:16:17.000 OK, she's produced them.

00:16:19.000 Correct the record, which is one of her super PACs.

00:16:21.000 They made ads against Bernie Sanders.

00:16:23.000 They put up web ads over and over and over.

00:16:25.000 Hillary Clinton had her surrogates attack Bernie Sanders as a racist.

00:16:27.000 We talked about this at the time.

00:16:29.000 So here is Hillary lying again. 1.00

00:16:30.000 And if you're somebody who's just watching this, you're thinking to yourself, well, she's terrible. 1.00

00:16:35.000 She's a liar. 1.00

00:16:36.000 She's awful. 1.00

00:16:37.000 And she is. 1.00

00:16:38.000 She's terrible at this.

00:16:39.000 And the fact that she's so terrible at this is why Donald... I've said this before.

00:16:42.000 Donald Trump can only win an election in which he faces Hillary Clinton, and Hillary Clinton can only win an election in which she faces Donald Trump.

00:16:49.000 That's why this is a close election.

00:16:50.000 Her untrustworthy numbers are so bad.

00:16:52.000 She's so unlikable.

00:16:54.000 She looks as though she was put together by composite in a robot factory.

00:16:59.000 She's not even regular Frankenstein. 0.99

00:17:00.000 She's robot Frankenstein. 1.00

00:17:02.000 She's got like a C-3PO arm attached to R2-D2, and this is what you get.

00:17:05.000 And so here's Hillary Clinton saying now that she's starting to lose in the polls. 1.00

00:17:09.000 She's not doing well in the polls.

00:17:10.000 So here she is defending the fact that she's not doing well in the polls.

00:17:13.000 And finally, I would say that, you know, polls this far out mean nothing.

00:17:18.000 They certainly mean nothing to me.

00:17:20.000 And I think if people go back and look, they really mean nothing in terms of analyzing what's going to happen in the fall.

00:17:26.000 Do you think this lead for Sanders is an illusion?

00:17:28.000 A little bit?

00:17:30.000 I'll let others speak to that.

00:17:31.000 I just think that I'm in a much stronger position, have been, and the voters who have turned out and given me three million more votes believe that as well.

00:17:40.000 Okay, so she's kind of dismissing Bernie Sanders.

00:17:42.000 And again, the Sanders supporters are going to riot at the convention, and one of the reasons they're going to riot is because she keeps dismissing him over and over.

00:17:48.000 Now, the Sanders supporters do have a decent case here.

00:17:51.000 The case for the Sanders supporters is this.

00:17:54.000 When this whole thing started, everybody knew Hillary was going to be the nominee. 1.00

00:17:58.000 There were already 600 superdelegates that were pledged to her.

00:18:00.000 From the very beginning, from the very outset, he was running at a major deficit.

00:18:04.000 Now, let's say that you and I, the two of us, we were going to get into an election versus each other.

00:18:09.000 But I knew going in that I was going to have four percentage points.

00:18:12.000 I knew going in.

00:18:13.000 They were just going to hand them to me.

00:18:14.000 I wasn't going to win them.

00:18:15.000 I was just going to have them.

00:18:16.000 Do you think that might impact the turnout?

00:18:18.000 Do you think that might impact your ability to turn people out to the polls?

00:18:20.000 Of course it would.

00:18:21.000 Because people like to vote for people they think can actually win.

00:18:24.000 When you have the entire media saying Bernie Sanders has no chance against Hillary, when you have the entire Democratic Party infrastructure that have selected delegates against Bernie Sanders, that...

00:18:33.000 Holds down the polling numbers for Bernie Sanders, and there have been some very close states that Hillary has won that she probably wouldn't have won if it hadn't been for this generalized perception that she was going to be the nominee.

00:18:43.000 But Hillary continues to give Sanders short shrift.

00:18:45.000 So, you know, she refuses to do a debate with Bernie Sanders. 0.90

00:18:49.000 She refuses to countenance Bernie Sanders.

00:18:51.000 Bill O'Reilly made this case.

00:18:52.000 We don't actually have to watch Bill O'Reilly do it, but Bill O'Reilly did make this case himself.

00:18:57.000 They're just, they're bad at this.

00:18:59.000 They're bad at this.

00:19:00.000 And then Hillary Clinton is trying to trot forth Bill Clinton, and it's having no impact because, as I said last week, Hillary Clinton has spent this entire campaign disowning everything that Bill ever did that was good.

00:19:09.000 She disowned welfare reform, and she disowned criminal justice reform, and she disowned the Bill Clinton tax cuts.

00:19:15.000 She disowned the contract with America that Clinton helped make law.

00:19:19.000 She disowned all of those things.

00:19:20.000 So when Bill is out there trying to defend her, it just looks weak.

00:19:23.000 So here's Bill staggering around, as we like to say, not fully concentrating, playing the lesbian pornography in his head, and explaining that the Republicans are good at attacking, but Bill is clearly out of it because the case he's about to make is basically a case against Hillary Clinton.

00:19:41.000 Now I know the Republicans have been mean to her and they say terrible things. 0.54

00:19:45.000 You've got to respect them.

00:19:46.000 They're good at this.

00:19:47.000 They de-legitimize the people they don't like.

00:19:52.000 They aren't in the habit of attacking people they're not scared of.

00:19:56.000 They try to sucker punch the rest of us into nominating people they think they can really devour if they get a hold of them.

00:20:04.000 And look, they did the same thing for me.

00:20:27.000 That's her fault, right?

00:20:28.000 Because they've been attacking me worse than they attacked her, and I handled it.

00:20:32.000 So if they're attacking her, it's not even as bad as the attacks that they launched against me, and she can't handle it.

00:20:36.000 And that's true.

00:20:37.000 Hillary doesn't know how to handle these attacks. 1.00

00:20:39.000 And Donald Trump says as much.

00:20:40.000 Here's Donald Trump kind of giving the coup de grace to Hillary Clinton on his favorite show, Trump and Friends, on Fox News.

00:20:48.000 And here he is.

00:20:49.000 Harsh words.

00:20:50.000 She says Trump's America will picture more kids at risk with violence and bigotry.

00:20:54.000 What do you say to that?

00:20:55.000 Well, first of all, they're just words.

00:20:57.000 She reads off a teleprompter.

00:20:58.000 You notice she's reading off a teleprompter.

00:21:00.000 She always does.

00:21:02.000 She really doesn't have her own words.

00:21:04.000 She doesn't have her own words.

00:21:05.000 She's robotic.

00:21:06.000 She reads it off a teleprompter.

00:21:07.000 All true.

00:21:08.000 All true.

00:21:09.000 And this is why Hillary Clinton is right now losing to Donald Trump, and it's a disaster area for her. 1.00

00:21:14.000 It's a disaster area for her. 1.00

00:21:15.000 Now, meanwhile, the media are still trying to come to her defense.

00:21:18.000 The Washington Post took a poll in which she's losing by two points to Donald Trump.

00:21:22.000 She's losing, I think, 48 to 46, or 46 to 44.

00:21:25.000 And they buried that five paragraphs down in the article.

00:21:27.000 Instead, they focused on the fact that they're both wildly unpopular.

00:21:30.000 They buried the lead.

00:21:32.000 There was an interesting poll over the weekend, by the way, that showed that if there was a third-party candidate like Mitt Romney running, he'd win 22% of the vote.

00:21:38.000 It would be 37% for Hillary, 35% for Trump, 22% for Romney.

00:21:44.000 And that's before Romney jumps in.

00:21:46.000 And this brings me to the second question of today's broadcast.

00:21:48.000 So, I want to start this off by explaining

00:21:51.000 What happened over the weekend?

00:21:52.000 So over the weekend, I was giving a speech at... there's an event, there's a family called the Avericks, and the Avericks, a nice family, their son, unfortunately, about 15 years ago, 13-15 years ago, died of a brain tumor.

00:22:06.000 He had chemotherapy and then he was infected in the lung, couldn't get a lung transplant in time.

00:22:10.000 So what they do is, in his honor, he was very into politics.

00:22:13.000 He was 19 when he died.

00:22:15.000 They sponsor a lecture.

00:22:16.000 So they sponsored this lecture over at the EULA Girls' School.

00:22:19.000 That's my alma mater.

00:22:20.000 It's a university in Los Angeles where I went to high school.

00:22:23.000 So they have a boys' school and they have a girls' school because it's an orthodox school so the boys and girls don't share a classroom.

00:22:27.000 So I'm over there and I'm speaking and I give a speech about

00:22:32.000 Israel and about the American election and all of this and Trump versus Hillary and all of it.

00:22:37.000 And I'm very critical of Trump because as you know from watching this, I've been very critical of Trump for months now.

00:22:43.000 I've been extraordinarily critical of Hillary. 0.98

00:22:45.000 I've been very critical of Donald Trump.

00:22:46.000 So I'm talking about Trump and I'm saying here are all the weaknesses of Donald Trump.

00:22:50.000 And this little old lady, a very nice lady, I know her, she gets up and she's a Republican activist. 0.87

00:22:56.000 And she gets up and she starts railing against me for not taking Trump's side.

00:23:02.000 She says, I'm downplaying how great Trump is going to be.

00:23:05.000 And I really need to stop discouraging people from voting for Trump.

00:23:09.000 I said, look, here's the deal.

00:23:10.000 You vote for who you want to vote for.

00:23:12.000 I'm just going to give you my view of things, and my view of things is that Donald Trump poses a real threat to the conservative movement that doesn't exist with Hillary Clinton.

00:23:19.000 So, my view is that Barack Obama has basically, I've given this analogy before, Barack Obama took a country that was moving at 30 miles an hour toward the cliff, rammed the pedal to the metal, we're now heading toward the cliff, Thelma and Louise style at 70 miles an hour.

00:23:31.000 Hillary Clinton as president will elevate that to 90 miles an hour. 1.00

00:23:34.000 Donald Trump will elevate it to 75 miles an hour.

00:23:37.000 So, if all you care about is the speed with which we are moving toward the cliff, you do vote for Trump over Hillary.

00:23:42.000 You do.

00:23:42.000 Because at least there's a shot that he's not going to be the world's worst president.

00:23:46.000 I think he will be, by the way. 0.98

00:23:46.000 I think he'll be an awful, awful president. 0.98

00:23:48.000 But,

00:23:49.000 There's a shot that he's going to be better than Hillary, and there are certain areas in which he can't possibly be worse than Hillary, everything from judges to gun rights, right?

00:23:56.000 That's a fair argument.

00:23:57.000 There's only one caveat.

00:23:59.000 Donald Trump takes the gears, he takes the gear shift, and he rips it out of the car.

00:24:06.000 So now, there's no possibility of throwing that car into reverse.

00:24:08.000 No matter who's the driver from now on, there's no possibility of throwing it into reverse, because the only reverse mechanism in the United States that's going to save us is conservatism.

00:24:17.000 Is the conservative movement.

00:24:18.000 It's the only thing that's gonna save us.

00:24:20.000 It is not Trump.

00:24:21.000 It is not any godlike figure.

00:24:22.000 It's not some magic man who comes down from the sky.

00:24:25.000 It ain't gonna happen that way.

00:24:26.000 The only thing that is going to save the country is a reenactment of conservative principle.

00:24:32.000 Conservative principle.

00:24:33.000 And she said, and I said all this, and what she said was, I don't care about conservatism.

00:24:38.000 All I care about is that we win.

00:24:41.000 I don't care about... Now...

00:24:44.000 This is upsetting stuff.

00:24:45.000 The reason it's upsetting stuff is not because this is not a prevalent opinion.

00:24:49.000 It is, unfortunately, a very prevalent opinion.

00:24:51.000 I'm supposed to debate Milo Yiannopoulos next week sometime.

00:24:54.000 This is Milo's opinion.

00:24:55.000 Milo has made the case that conservatism is over, he is the new brand, the alt-right, the European populist right.

00:25:01.000 That's gonna be the thing that saves Western civilization, despite the fact that European populism has never saved or conserved a damn thing.

00:25:06.000 It's always been a disaster everywhere it's been tried.

00:25:09.000 But, nonetheless,

00:25:11.000 There's this case out there that conservatism hasn't done anything for us.

00:25:15.000 And this is the case that I fear.

00:25:17.000 This is the case that I fear.

00:25:19.000 So this has now been articulated over and over and over by various members of the movement.

00:25:23.000 Peggy Noonan articulated it.

00:25:25.000 There's a fellow who did it over at the Hill today who articulated it this way.

00:25:29.000 So first off, let me say, when people say, what kind of damage do you think Trump is going to do to conservatism?

00:25:33.000 The damage I think Trump is going to do to conservatism is he's going to put these folks who don't care about conservatism in the driver's seat.

00:25:39.000 And everyone else will fall in line because they want to defeat Hillary Clinton. 0.99

00:25:44.000 That's what I'm scared of.

00:25:45.000 What I'm scared of is that everyone is going to fall behind Trump.

00:25:48.000 Trump becomes president.

00:25:49.000 Trump enacts his populist agenda.

00:25:51.000 Doesn't matter whether he's a good president or a bad president.

00:25:53.000 He hurts us either way.

00:25:54.000 If he's a good president, which I highly doubt because his policies are not geared toward working, just as Obama was not geared toward being a good president because his policies weren't geared toward working.

00:26:03.000 But let's say that Trump is not an utter disaster.

00:26:05.000 Let's say he's John Kasich as president.

00:26:07.000 Well then, he's basically

00:26:09.000 Just done the next step of compassionate conservatism under George W. Bush.

00:26:13.000 Nobody has helped, but conservatism has been a little bit perverted.

00:26:16.000 If he's a bad president, he destroys conservatism for a generation.

00:26:20.000 We are still- It's now 2016.

00:26:23.000 How often do you hear Herbert Hoover's name?

00:26:25.000 You still hear Herbert Hoover's name, okay?

00:26:27.000 Herbert Hoover left office in 1932.

00:26:28.000 In 1932.

00:26:29.000 It has literally been 84 years since Herbert Hoover- Like, that's- It's- My grandmothers were not alive.

00:26:37.000 One of them was, she was six.

00:26:38.000 The other grandmother wasn't even alive when Herbert Hoover was president of the United States, right?

00:26:44.000 But we're still here being Herbert Hoover because Herbert Hoover, who by the way on policy looks a lot like Donald Trump, Herbert Hoover was such a bad president that conservatism has been slandered with the memory of Herbert Hoover for the last three generations, four generations.

00:26:55.000 The same thing was true with regard to Nixon.

00:26:58.000 Nixon is still linked to conservatism.

00:27:00.000 The only gap here is the black swan that was Reagan.

00:27:04.000 And remember, Reagan was not brought about by Nixon.

00:27:05.000 Reagan was brought about by the failures of 1964.

00:27:07.000 He was brought about by Goldwater.

00:27:10.000 Goldwater loses in 64.

00:27:12.000 Conservatives sort of coalesce, and then they go into hiding for a little while.

00:27:16.000 Nixon wins, and then they come back with a vengeance and take the party away from the Nixons and the Fords. 0.99

00:27:21.000 Right, and that's a brief respite in time, then we go right back to H.W.

00:27:24.000 Bush, who is so bad that people are still citing him as an example of people who lie about taxes, and W., who's gonna be used to smack conservatives for another generation.

00:27:33.000 Trump will be all of that, except way worse, because Trump is also an authoritarian, he's also a vulgarian, he's also somebody who says nasty and terrible things about various groups, he's somebody who is...

00:27:44.000 Not geared toward conservative ideals in any way, shape, or form.

00:27:48.000 In any way, shape, or form.

00:27:49.000 He's somebody who endorses violence against people who disagree with him.

00:27:53.000 Right?

00:27:53.000 So that's the stuff that I worry about.

00:27:54.000 So, here's the thing.

00:27:55.000 So this lady gets up and she shouts, we don't care about conservatism. 1.00

00:27:58.000 We need to win.

00:27:59.000 All I care about is defeating Hillary Clinton. 0.99

00:28:00.000 And this is the siren call.

00:28:01.000 This is the siren call.

00:28:02.000 And I'm hearing it again from people I respect.

00:28:05.000 Right?

00:28:05.000 Dennis Prager, who is a conservative, is saying, well, conservatism has to take a backseat to defeating Hillary Clinton.

00:28:11.000 In other words, use a leftist to beat a leftist, and that will stop the left.

00:28:14.000 I don't understand how that works.

00:28:16.000 So, here are some of the lines that I've been hearing from these folks.

00:28:19.000 One is, what have conservatives ever done?

00:28:22.000 Right, you keep hearing this.

00:28:23.000 The conservative movement has failed.

00:28:24.000 What have they ever done?

00:28:25.000 Okay, so that's the wrong question.

00:28:27.000 Conservatives fail, just like leftists fail, just like moderates fail.

00:28:31.000 People fail.

00:28:32.000 People aren't always living up to their ideology.

00:28:34.000 The question is, what has conservatism done?

00:28:36.000 What has the idea of conservatism done when properly implemented?

00:28:40.000 And the answer is, it's created the largest boom in the history of the world and brought half of the globe out of abject poverty.

00:28:46.000 That's what conservatism has done.

00:28:47.000 It has ended the Soviet Union.

00:28:49.000 Conservatism has defeated totalitarianism.

00:28:52.000 Conservatism is the foundation of the greatest country in the history of mankind.

00:28:56.000 It has made your rights possible.

00:28:58.000 That's what conservatism has done.

00:28:59.000 And it's protected the United States from utter fiscal collapse.

00:29:03.000 At least for the moment.

00:29:04.000 That's what conservatism has done.

00:29:07.000 What have you done?

00:29:07.000 What has your European-style populism done?

00:29:09.000 Anything?

00:29:10.000 It hasn't stopped anything in Europe.

00:29:12.000 European-style populism's been around for quite a while in Europe.

00:29:14.000 Hasn't done anything.

00:29:15.000 Hasn't done anything.

00:29:16.000 All it's done is empower the left, which comes back, and then lets in all the immigrants. 0.96

00:29:20.000 Every time there's a European-style populist leader,

00:29:23.000 He leaves office and the next step is somebody coming in and being even more left than the person who was left before.

00:29:29.000 And I know this because I've seen it here in California.

00:29:32.000 Arnold Schwarzenegger was not a conservative.

00:29:34.000 I made this mistake.

00:29:35.000 I backed Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2003 over Tom McClintock.

00:29:38.000 Tom McClintock was the conservative in the gubernatorial recall election of 2003 here in California.

00:29:43.000 And I backed Arnold Schwarzenegger over Tom McClintock.

00:29:46.000 I did.

00:29:47.000 And I did because I said we need to win.

00:29:49.000 Right?

00:29:49.000 Exactly this logic.

00:29:50.000 We have to stop the left.

00:29:52.000 We need to win.

00:29:53.000 Let's elect Arnold Schwarzenegger to the governorship.

00:29:56.000 And so we didn't put up Tom McClintock who might have had a chance of winning against somebody like Cruz Bustamante.

00:29:59.000 He might have.

00:30:00.000 Right?

00:30:01.000 Instead we put up Schwarzenegger and Schwarzenegger won walking away.

00:30:03.000 What did we get for that?

00:30:04.000 Nothing.

00:30:05.000 Nothing. 1.00

00:30:06.000 The state's a garbage heap. 0.99

00:30:07.000 And not only that, Schwarzenegger was seen as what he was. 0.99

00:30:10.000 He was seen as a popular celebrity black swan.

00:30:14.000 Just like Trump is.

00:30:15.000 And then he leaves.

00:30:16.000 And now what is California?

00:30:17.000 It is a Democrat-dominated state.

00:30:19.000 There are no Republicans in positions of power at the state level.

00:30:22.000 Jerry Brown runs this place like a dictatorship.

00:30:25.000 He's got a two-thirds majority in the House and legislature here in California, or very close to it.

00:30:31.000 So Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't do anybody any good.

00:30:33.000 But that's what happens when you need to win.

00:30:35.000 Because the question is, win to do what?

00:30:37.000 Republicans won in 2000.

00:30:37.000 We won in 2004.

00:30:38.000 We won in 2002.

00:30:38.000 We won in 2010.

00:30:39.000 We won in 2014.

00:30:39.000 And what did that accomplish?

00:30:40.000 According to you guys, nothing.

00:30:45.000 According to you guys, nothing.

00:30:47.000 I think we accomplished some things, not enough things for my taste.

00:30:50.000 We accomplished some things.

00:30:51.000 We stopped Obama from blowing out, as he wanted to, the budget even more than he did, but you say that we won there and we accomplished nothing, so why are you now declaring that victory for someone who's more left than all the Republicans in Congress, that's going to accomplish the victory.

00:31:05.000 That's going to make things happen.

00:31:07.000 This notion we have to win now, but we can win with somebody who's not conservative, it doesn't mean anything.

00:31:12.000 And the truth is, in the end, all that a lot of these folks really want is a strong leader, and you keep hearing this.

00:31:17.000 We don't need a conservative, we need somebody to lead us.

00:31:20.000 We need a leader.

00:31:21.000 We need somebody who's gonna tell us the right thing to do.

00:31:24.000 Now, we use the word conservatism very often on this show, and we do in politics, because I think ideology matters.

00:31:30.000 I think one of the great lies that you're told by the media, one of the great lies that you're told by politicians, is that ideology does not matter.

00:31:37.000 Everyone lives by an ideology.

00:31:38.000 All an ideology is is a set of rules that you have for society.

00:31:41.000 That's all an ideology is. 0.97

00:31:43.000 If you don't have an ideology, and I have an ideology, that ideology is that the government should be as small as possible and should only intervene basically if I'm going to hit you in the face.

00:31:53.000 That's basically the only time government should intervene.

00:31:55.000 That is an ideology, it's a rule, and you can look at my rule and say I either like that rule or I don't like that rule.

00:32:00.000 You get rid of ideology, what you end up with is ad hoc totalitarianism.

00:32:04.000 So what you end up with is, I'm not gonna give you my rule.

00:32:06.000 I'm not going to give you my rule.

00:32:08.000 I'm just going to say I can get things done.

00:32:11.000 And I'm not going to tell you how.

00:32:12.000 I'm not going to tell you what that rule looks like.

00:32:14.000 I'm not going to tell you whether it's a good rule or a bad rule.

00:32:16.000 I can get things done.

00:32:17.000 And that means I'm just going to do what I think is appropriate under the circumstances.

00:32:21.000 You have no gauge as to what that looks like.

00:32:24.000 Is that scary or is that comforting to you?

00:32:25.000 For a lot of people, that's comforting.

00:32:27.000 For a lot of people, that's comforting.

00:32:28.000 Trump said last week, don't worry about the economy.

00:32:30.000 I'll take care of it.

00:32:32.000 It's not the job of the President of the United States to take care of the economy.

00:32:35.000 It's his job to leave you alone.

00:32:37.000 It's his job to create the preconditions where you can exercise your economic rights freely.

00:32:43.000 But this idea that we need a strong leader with ad hoc, just being practical.

00:32:47.000 Obama said the same thing, by the way.

00:32:48.000 In 2008, he said, I'm not a leftist.

00:32:50.000 I'm not a right-wing person.

00:32:51.000 I think we don't need ideology.

00:32:52.000 We just need practical common sense measures.

00:32:55.000 That means nothing.

00:32:56.000 His common sense is not my common sense.

00:32:57.000 It doesn't sound like it's your common sense either.

00:33:00.000 Right, how about, here's your principle, what do you stand for?

00:33:04.000 This is why I prefer Bernie Sanders as a human to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

00:33:08.000 At least he gives me the principle he stands for.

00:33:10.000 It's an evil, terrible, destructive, despicable principle, but at least I know what the principle is.

00:33:15.000 All these conservatives who are saying, throw out conservatism, it's okay if it does tremendous damage to the movement down the road, just throw it out, because we need to win again.

00:33:23.000 We need to stop Hillary, and we can't stop Hillary if we don't win. 0.97

00:33:27.000 A lot of them really want just a dear leader to make them feel better.

00:33:30.000 They want a parent. 0.72

00:33:30.000 They want daddy or mommy. 0.72

00:33:32.000 Like my two-year-old daughter.

00:33:33.000 She just wants me to solve her problems. 0.70

00:33:35.000 I can do that.

00:33:35.000 She's my two-year-old daughter.

00:33:36.000 I can't do that for the country because nobody can.

00:33:40.000 So this is what's troubling to me about the Trump movement.

00:33:43.000 Is the movement.

00:33:44.000 It's Trump and it's the movement.

00:33:45.000 He's an ad hoc left-wing most of the time.

00:33:48.000 Sometimes he panders to the right.

00:33:50.000 Authoritarian with no respect for the rules.

00:33:52.000 I don't know what rules he applies to government.

00:33:53.000 I don't know what rules he applies to life.

00:33:56.000 I don't know what rules he applies to anything.

00:33:57.000 There are no rules.

00:33:58.000 Trump is the no rules guy.

00:33:59.000 And this is what appeals to people about him.

00:34:01.000 Is that it feels like there are no rules.

00:34:03.000 So he's going to fight for you because there are no rules.

00:34:05.000 And no rules means no Marcus of Queensbury rules.

00:34:07.000 That means he's not going to play fair.

00:34:08.000 He's just going to fight for you.

00:34:10.000 Here's what I want.

00:34:11.000 I want somebody who's not going to play fair, but who abides by certain principles.

00:34:15.000 Certain principles of how life works.

00:34:18.000 Right?

00:34:18.000 And to me, a certain principle of how life works is you don't tell people you're going to defend them if they punch people in the face based on political feeling.

00:34:23.000 That's a big no-no to me.

00:34:25.000 Okay, so, with all of this said, it doesn't matter if Republicans, Conservatives, they're getting behind Trump anyway to stop Hillary.

00:34:32.000 Again, I understand the argument.

00:34:33.000 I just disagree with it for all the reasons that I just stated.

00:34:36.000 But the consolidation is happening, and there's now a move to kind of bully people into line.

00:34:40.000 If you won't get behind Donald Trump, then it must be because you're not conservative enough.

00:34:44.000 Let me just say this.

00:34:45.000 If you say I'm not conservative enough because I refuse to vote for a man who donated money to his political opponents in this race, right?

00:34:53.000 You're more right-wing than I am, because I won't vote for the lifelong Democrat who just switched to con you.

00:35:01.000 If you say that I'm not conservative enough because you complain that Congress hasn't been conservative enough so we need to elect somebody who's a left-winger, you back Donald Trump now?

00:35:08.000 And you don't care what happens to conservatism?

00:35:10.000 You just want to win?

00:35:12.000 I can't give you a lot of respect.

00:35:13.000 Brit Hume on Fox News, he says that Trump is basically pulling all of the Republican Party behind him.

00:35:17.000 I think this is true.

00:35:18.000 I was there at the NRA meeting, Britt, and there was a crowd, it was supposed to be 7,000, that's how many tickets they sold, but they let another 1,000 people at least in.

00:35:28.000 Very enthusiastic crowd for Trump there.

00:35:30.000 So you got a couple of things.

00:35:31.000 You got the NRA very enthusiastic about him, and the NRA endorsing five months before they've endorsed anybody else.

00:35:38.000 What's going on?

00:35:39.000 I think it's one of a number of signs that Donald Trump is well on his way

00:35:45.000 To pulling nearly all of the Republican Party behind him.

00:35:49.000 There will be holdouts and there will be conservatives who were conservatives first and Republicans second, who will not be reconciled to him.

00:35:56.000 But the Supreme Court list that he put out, the meeting with Paul Ryan, all these things are pointing in the same direction.

00:36:02.000 That Republicans and most conservatives are increasingly ready, particularly because they so fear the alternative, to back him.

00:36:11.000 And I think that's where we're going.

00:36:13.000 Right.

00:36:13.000 And he's right.

00:36:14.000 I think that people are getting behind this.

00:36:15.000 I think that people are moving in that direction.

00:36:17.000 I think that people are consolidating because it's more comfortable.

00:36:19.000 And this is what I said last week.

00:36:22.000 I get a lot of email and people saying it's self-righteous not to back Trump.

00:36:26.000 It's you just standing on your purity not to back Trump.

00:36:29.000 You must just feel good about yourself.

00:36:31.000 No, I don't.

00:36:32.000 It feels terrible.

00:36:33.000 This entire election is an ulcer.

00:36:35.000 This entire election is a horrible metamucil moment. 0.94

00:36:39.000 It's just a horrible, horrible bowel movement of an election.

00:36:42.000 And so all we're doing now is just determining how we deal with it, because...

00:36:47.000 If you think I don't want to walk into a voting booth tomorrow, despite how much I dislike Trump on a political level, and how much I think that he's a bad person as a person, if you think I don't want to walk into a voting booth tomorrow and punch that ballot for Trump, you're wrong.

00:37:00.000 I do.

00:37:00.000 I want to.

00:37:01.000 I want to.

00:37:02.000 I want to, because I want to stop Hillary Clinton just as much as you, and probably more than you, because if you voted for Trump in a primary, you don't care about the same principles that I do.

00:37:10.000 I would love to do that.

00:37:12.000 I can't do that if I think he's going to destroy the movement, especially because of people like you.

00:37:16.000 The same people who say, don't criticize Donald Trump at any turn.

00:37:19.000 Understand something about criticizing Donald Trump.

00:37:21.000 The people who criticize Donald Trump, that's what drives him to pretend to be conservative.

00:37:25.000 Do you understand that?

00:37:26.000 Donald Trump only released his list of Heritage Foundation judges because people were pressuring him from the right.

00:37:32.000 If you buy into Donald Trump wholeheartedly now,

00:37:34.000 And you back every play that he makes and you say, don't say anything bad about Donald Trump.

00:37:38.000 All you're doing is giving away any bargaining position that you have as a conservative with Donald Trump in the first place.

00:37:44.000 Nonetheless, everybody wants to give away their bargaining position really early.

00:37:48.000 Newt Gingrich says the same thing.

00:37:49.000 Of course, Newt wants to be Trump's VP.

00:37:51.000 That would make him relevant again.

00:37:53.000 And between the two of them, they would have more marriages than how many of the last presidents combined?

00:38:00.000 Let's see.

00:38:02.000 Between the two of them, well, the last six presidents combined, right?

00:38:04.000 They'd have more marriages between the two of them than the last five presidents combined. 0.99

00:38:08.000 Even Bill Clinton has less marriages because he has a fake marriage.

00:38:11.000 So here's Newt Gingrich talking about how Trump is going to consolidate support.

00:38:15.000 Well, first of all, I don't think they signal a really close race by November.

00:38:20.000 I think if you look at the trend line, they signal that Trump will probably consolidate and Hillary will probably continue to stagnate.

00:38:27.000 And the odds are pretty good Trump will win, much like Reagan did in 1980, by a surprisingly big number.

00:38:33.000 This country's had a long, long time to get to know Hillary Clinton.

00:38:37.000 She cannot build a base that works.

00:38:40.000 People don't believe her.

00:38:41.000 That's actually getting worse, not better.

00:38:43.000 And of course, she now has a real civil war. 1.00

00:38:45.000 Everybody said the Republicans were going to have a problem.

00:38:47.000 Well, Bernie Sanders just endorsed the primary opponent of the Democratic National Committee chair.

00:38:53.000 Sanders is committed to going all the way to the convention in a really bitter fight.

00:38:58.000 I think the Democrats will be a shambles by the end of the summer.

00:39:02.000 I think younger reform-oriented Democrats either won't vote or they'll vote for Trump, and that poses a huge problem for Hillary. 1.00

00:39:09.000 Oh, so now he's saying huge, too.

00:39:10.000 So it poses a huge problem for Hillary. 1.00

00:39:12.000 So that's good.

00:39:13.000 And the nice thing about Trump is that that Cheeto dust on his face wipes off on everybody with whom he associates.

00:39:18.000 He's got his mini-me's now, like Newt Gingrich, who used to be a voice in the Republican Party and has become

00:39:23.000 Utterly extinct and and and wipes off on people like Milo Yiannopoulos who's basically become Donald Trump's mini-me All the way down to the ridiculous hair and and the and the exclamation points at the ends of his tweets So in any case the the all of the folks on the on the right are consolidating behind Trump and they're using this this phraseology come home Why don't you just come home to Trump?

00:39:44.000 Face the nation had a panel with John Dickerson talking about this and and people are saying oh, yeah People are gonna come home to Trump.

00:39:49.000 They're gonna come home

00:39:51.000 I hate this language so much. 0.70

00:39:52.000 It's not my home.

00:39:54.000 If I walk into my house today and Donald Trump is sitting in his boxer shorts on my couch and he owns my house, it's no longer my house.

00:40:02.000 It's no longer my house.

00:40:03.000 I need to find another place to live.

00:40:04.000 But here's the panel saying everybody's going to come home.

00:40:07.000 Molly, are we surprised by these numbers that it's so close?

00:40:11.000 Well, I think it has been somewhat surprising.

00:40:13.000 A lot of even Republicans I talk to are surprised that the party has come home to Trump so quickly.

00:40:19.000 And that's really what we're seeing in a lot of these polls.

00:40:21.000 You know, before Trump won the nomination, there were these hypothetical general election matchups where Clinton was way far ahead of him.

00:40:29.000 And that is tightened up principally because of the coalescing of the Republican Party and the failure to coalesce of the Democratic Party.

00:40:35.000 So I think the real open question is whether, once Hillary Clinton does decisively win the Democratic nomination, whether her party comes home to her the way Trump's party has come home to him, which is not necessarily a sure thing.

00:40:48.000 Ezra, of course, this is a long way off from when we have an actual election, but the way Democrats were talking about Trump's vulnerabilities with women, with younger voters, with voters of color, you would have thought that those would be just, that you wouldn't have numbers this close so far or right now.

00:41:03.000 And he's right.

00:41:04.000 You would have thought that.

00:41:05.000 But again, Republicans are being consolidated by their dislike of Hillary Clinton.

00:41:10.000 And Democrats are not yet being consolidated by their dislike of Trump.

00:41:14.000 But they will be.

00:41:15.000 So this is going to remain a close election all the way down to the finish.

00:41:18.000 Bill Kristol makes the point that half the country is open to an alternative here.

00:41:22.000 This is true.

00:41:23.000 But unless somebody like Mitt Romney jumps in, it's not going to matter very much.

00:41:25.000 Here's Bill Kristol.

00:41:26.000 Look at that poll.

00:41:28.000 When you throw Mitt Romney's name in, someone who hasn't run in four years, probably isn't the ideal, in a way, third-party candidate.

00:41:34.000 Though an impressive man, and I think would be a good alternative to vote to Clinton and Trump, he right away is at 22%.

00:41:39.000 37%, 35%, 22%.

00:41:39.000 I mean, he hasn't done anything.

00:41:42.000 In other polls, the generic independent candidate is around 20% or 21%.

00:41:46.000 And as Anatoly Koky was saying, and Matthew too, half of the Clinton voters and half of the Trump voters

00:41:50.000 They don't want to be for Clinton or Trump.

00:41:52.000 They're against the other person.

00:41:53.000 If they had an alternative... The way the country is really set up, a quarter of the country is for Trump, a quarter of the country is for Clinton, and half the country is open to an alternative.

00:42:03.000 The ABC poll shows half, basically half, 45% saying we'd like to have a third choice.

00:42:09.000 So I think the ground is there for an independent candidate.

00:42:15.000 It's a tough thing to ask a politician.

00:42:17.000 It's a tough thing to ask someone to do, but let's see what happens.

00:42:22.000 And she's right there.

00:42:23.000 I think it's Mary Madeline.

00:42:25.000 She's saying that people always say they want a third choice, and this is true, which is why I've said that it's easy to throw out names, it's easy to say third choice, but 0.99

00:42:35.000 In reality, it's much more difficult to uphill climb than people make it out to be, which is why it's important what happens inside the Republican Party.

00:42:41.000 I don't think there's an easy brush-off solution like, oh, just go get a third-party candidate, take over a third party and run.

00:42:47.000 I don't think it's quite as easy as all of that.

00:42:49.000 I think that what happens with Trump here is going to decide the next 20 years of what it means to be a Republican, and given the level of

00:42:57.000 Happiness.

00:42:58.000 There's this sort of blind happiness that's rushed over people now that the primaries are over and people are going to start downplaying Trump's flaws and downplaying all of this.

00:43:08.000 Again, as I say, it's a gut-wrenching decision.

00:43:10.000 Whatever decision you have to make, you have to make.

00:43:12.000 I get it.

00:43:13.000 You know, for me, just take into account the risks.

00:43:15.000 Okay?

00:43:16.000 Take into account, is Trump going to be a good president or a bad president?

00:43:19.000 And what kind of damage is he going to do to the only movement that can save the country if he's president versus if he's not president?

00:43:25.000 These are the only factors I ask you to consider.

00:43:27.000 And don't ignore that second factor.

00:43:28.000 There are a lot of people out there who just pretend, oh, it won't be any damage at all.

00:43:31.000 There won't be any damage at all.

00:43:33.000 Anybody who has studied history knows how false this is.

00:43:36.000 Don't do yourself the disservice of ignoring the counter-argument.

00:43:40.000 I'm not.

00:43:40.000 It's why I struggle every day with this.

00:43:42.000 It's why I struggle every day with this.

00:43:44.000 And it is a struggle.

00:43:45.000 It's a struggle to determine what's the right thing to do and what's the wrong thing to do.

00:43:48.000 It's not an easy decision.

00:43:49.000 Anybody who tells you it's an easy decision is not being honest with you.

00:43:52.000 I know there are people out there who say, it's an easy decision because Trump is unstable.

00:43:56.000 You don't want an unstable president.

00:43:58.000 If it were just that easy, it would be just that easy.

00:44:00.000 It's not.

00:44:01.000 Because Hillary is also not stable. 0.95

00:44:03.000 And more than that, she has bad principles.

00:44:05.000 You know, I want to take all sides of the argument very seriously here, but that means that my opponents also need to do the same.

00:44:11.000 And I think on net, all I can say is I wish to God Donald Trump were not the nominee, because it would make things so much easier for everybody involved.

00:44:17.000 Unfortunately, he is, because people have decided to be reactionary in just the way that I talked about.

00:44:22.000 I don't know.

00:44:41.000 My daughter came down with a 103 fever which is which is always a party which is why if my shirt looks a little bit stained here those are probably snot stains from my daughter crying on my shirt from a doctor's appointment this morning but she had her she came down with like a 103 yesterday and we don't let her watch TV we're not TV parents and

00:45:00.000 Note to all parents with young kids, if you have kids under two, they shouldn't be watching TV.

00:45:03.000 It's bad for their brain development.

00:45:04.000 So we don't let our kid watch TV.

00:45:06.000 She was really sick, and she couldn't do anything.

00:45:08.000 She couldn't even concentrate enough to have us read books to her. 1.00

00:45:11.000 So we decided to put on a movie.

00:45:13.000 So we tried a couple of the Pixar films, and she was not interested.

00:45:16.000 The one that she wanted to watch, and she ended up watching nearly the entire thing, is Mary Poppins, which is just a delightful, delightful film.

00:45:24.000 I hadn't watched it all the way through for, it's gotta be 20 years.

00:45:27.000 Since I've seen it since I was a kid.

00:45:29.000 And it's just, it's a terrific film.

00:45:32.000 It's actually, it's surprisingly moving.

00:45:34.000 And there's a message to it that's kind of great that we'll talk about in a second.

00:45:37.000 Here's the trailer for the original Mary Poppins.

00:45:40.000 A robin feathering his nest Has very little time to rest While gathering his bits of twine and twig Though quite intent in his pursuit He has a merry tune to toot He knows a song will move the job along!

00:46:09.000 So we don't have to play the whole number, obviously, but it's great number after great number, and more importantly, people forget the plot of the movie because all of this stuff with Mary Poppins is so charming, but she's not the center of the movie.

00:46:22.000 The center of the movie is the father character.

00:46:24.000 Right, the father character who feels his world kind of collapsing around him.

00:46:28.000 Right, he's got his wife who's the suffragette who's not paying any attention to the kids. 1.00

00:46:31.000 And then he's got, he's trying to deal with this whole nanny issue.

00:46:33.000 The movie's really about this guy trying to deal with the changes that are occurring around him.

00:46:39.000 And it's about, and there's a really nice scene where the kids have run away.

00:46:43.000 They start to run on the bank, if you don't remember the film.

00:46:45.000 They start to run on the bank because Dick Van Dyke playing the old man who runs the bank, as well as Bert, who's the chimney sweep.

00:46:52.000 Uh, he, uh, he takes the money from the kid and the kid doesn't want to give him the money.

00:46:55.000 So he says, give me my money.

00:46:56.000 They won't give it to him.

00:46:57.000 Run on the bank starts.

00:46:58.000 So they run away.

00:47:00.000 And they run into Bert, right, also Dick Van Dyke, and they say they're scared, and he says, well, your father's scared, too.

00:47:07.000 But, you know, when your mother has a problem, she goes to your dad, and when you have a problem, you go to your mom.

00:47:11.000 When he has a problem, he just has to suck it up.

00:47:13.000 So, you know, adult males, you know, men, dads, fathers, they have to suck it up. 0.94

00:47:18.000 That's their job, is to suck it up.

00:47:19.000 So you need to have a little bit of sympathy for the dad who sort of needs to suck it up.

00:47:22.000 And meanwhile, he has to learn that the father has to learn to put the business aside.

00:47:26.000 Not everything fits into these kind of comfy categories, and that's why the very end of the film is him flying a kite with the kids.

00:47:32.000 It's him both getting his job, actually maintains the job, and he still is providing, but also recognizing that it's not enough to categorize myself as I'm the businessman with my very set schedule.

00:47:41.000 Life throws curveballs at you, and you have to deal with it.

00:47:43.000 It's a really terrific movie, and the imagery is quite beautiful.

00:47:46.000 Mary Poppins for those who haven't seen it.

00:47:47.000 Even if you have, it's fun to go back and watch it.

00:47:49.000 There's also a good movie that they did recently with Emma Thompson about the making of Mary Poppins, which is a good movie.

00:47:56.000 Tom Hanks plays Walt Disney, and it's a pretty solid film.

00:47:59.000 Okay, things that I hate. 0.86

00:48:00.000 So, from the sublime to the ridiculous.

00:48:02.000 So, Mary Poppins was the sort of stuff that kids watched back in the 1960s.

00:48:06.000 Here's the sort of stuff that the kids of the same age watch now on TV.

00:48:11.000 Demi Lovato, who is an utterly untalented, untalented human.

00:48:15.000 I mean, just... There's a reason all these singers now have to dress up like porn stars in order to get attention. 0.97

00:48:22.000 It's because they can't sing a lick.

00:48:24.000 Demi Lovato was at the Billboard Music Awards, where they give you awards for taking off your clothes and singing badly.

00:48:29.000 And Demi Lovato decided that she was going to wear a special, special dress.

00:48:33.000 Here's what it looked like.

00:48:38.000 We're cool for the summer

00:48:56.000 Okay, so we're gonna pause it there so people can see the shirt.

00:48:58.000 Okay, first of all, this song is just ear assault.

00:49:02.000 I mean, it's just an assault on the ears.

00:49:04.000 It's like someone took Thor's hammer and decided to smash her face with it.

00:49:07.000 It's terrible. 0.97

00:49:08.000 Okay, but beyond that, the dress that she's wearing, she is wearing a dress that has an emblem of the transgender bathroom on it. 1.00

00:49:14.000 Hey, what that has to do with anything, the answer is nothing.

00:49:16.000 It doesn't have anything to do with anything.

00:49:17.000 It's just her virtue signaling.

00:49:19.000 Look what a special person I am.

00:49:21.000 I would let a man into my bathroom. 1.00

00:49:22.000 I'm sure you would, Demi Lovato, but for all of your little teeny bopper fans who are 11 and 12 years old, no, they shouldn't be letting men into the bathroom.

00:49:30.000 Okay?

00:49:30.000 It's a bad move, but she gets to feel good about herself and glad, I'm sure, we'll give her an award for her bravery.

00:49:35.000 And by the way, it's not bravery when everybody celebrates you.

00:49:37.000 It's not bravery when everybody agrees with you.

00:49:40.000 It's not bravery when everybody who surrounds you tells you what a brave

00:49:43.000 Special flower you are for doing it.

00:49:45.000 Okay, so that's one thing that they showed at the Billboard Music Awards.

00:49:48.000 The second thing they showed is another teenybopper icon.

00:49:50.000 Britney Spears is back.

00:49:51.000 Now, Britney Spears has become even less talented than she used to be. 0.99

00:49:54.000 Whatever voice she used to have is now gone.

00:49:57.000 For a while, she lost the body.

00:49:58.000 She's now regained the body.

00:49:59.000 People were making a big deal out of this because she was up thrusting on a guitar or something. 0.96

00:50:03.000 And my only question is, I didn't know there were objects either animate or inanimate that she had not thrust herself upon, but apparently they constructed a brand new object for her to thrust on, and so this is what it looked like.

00:50:34.000 She's literally dancing on a pole, for people who can't see this.

00:50:38.000 And singing within a three note range, because she has no range.

00:50:42.000 And she still does her little girl voice, which is getting weird now that she's 75 years old.

00:50:51.000 Okay, let me pause it.

00:50:52.000 Okay, this is, this is such, I mean, this is not even music.

00:50:56.000 It's not music.

00:50:57.000 It's, it's, this is now a gang ear assault.

00:51:00.000 That's what it's turned into here.

00:51:01.000 I mean, it's turned into just brutality on the, on the ears.

00:51:04.000 And she's not, when people say she's a good dancer, this ain't Michael Jackson, okay?

00:51:08.000 She ain't a good dancer. 1.00

00:51:09.000 Okay, I honestly don't know a girl who's even in basically decent shape who can't do the things that she's doing right now. 1.00

00:51:14.000 She's literally doing nothing.

00:51:15.000 She's literally thrusting her pelvis at a pole. 1.00

00:51:17.000 I assume that most people are capable of this.

00:51:19.000 But this was considered forward thinking and genius because what we've decided is that the way that we decide that artists are mature now is for them to be pornographers.

00:51:28.000 That's what makes you a mature artist.

00:51:30.000 What took Demi Lovato from Nickelodeon 0.82

00:51:32.000 To the front page of the newspaper was the fact that she is now willing to have sex with inanimate objects. 1.00

00:51:37.000 Same thing happened to Britney Spears who used to be on Mickey Mouse Club. 0.99

00:51:40.000 This is the the ripping away of innocence.

00:51:42.000 You look at Mary Poppins and you realize this is what ten-year-old girls were watching back in 1962 and then you look at this and you realize this is what ten-year-old girls are watching now and you realize this is why we are so screwed as a society and this is why we're now on the verge of 0.98

00:51:56.000 Of basically saying to young girls, it's no big deal if people flash their penises at you. 0.97

00:52:00.000 There's a North Carolina editorial in the Charlotte Observer about this transgender bathroom issue. 0.96

00:52:06.000 And they actually say in there, they actually say in the editorial, that quote,

00:52:14.000 So in other words, little girls, get over the fact that there's a 35-year-old hairy dude who's whipping it out in your bathroom.

00:52:18.000 Because, hey, you're just gonna have to get over it. 0.62

00:52:42.000 So the transgender folks don't have to get over the idea of having their bowel movements in the proper bathroom, but we all have to get over it when our daughters are forced to have a bowel movement in the same bathroom as a dude. 1.00

00:52:55.000 This is the collapse of society.

00:52:56.000 It's because the left, again, has become so extreme, it makes the reactionary side of Donald Trump possible.

00:53:04.000 The key here is that just because you're reacting to something doesn't mean that your reaction is the proper reaction.

00:53:08.000 I understand the reaction.

00:53:09.000 I do.

00:53:10.000 I get it.

00:53:10.000 But that doesn't mean that Donald Trump is the proper reaction.

00:53:14.000 And Donald Trump, by the way, agrees with the Charlotte Observer on this one.

00:53:16.000 Donald Trump is the same guy who says that he would allow men into women's bathrooms at Trump Towers.

00:53:21.000 Which just goes to show you, this is all a con.

00:53:23.000 It's all a game.

00:53:24.000 It's all a con.

00:53:25.000 That said, if you want to buy the con because it's better than Hillary, you're prerogative.

00:53:28.000 But this is the struggle.

00:53:29.000 It's a moral struggle.

00:53:30.000 And to announce anyone, for anyone to pretend it's not a moral struggle, is to fail to look reality in the face.

00:53:37.000 We'll have more of this tomorrow.

00:53:38.000 Hopefully it'll be a little bit more enlightening and

00:53:41.000 A little bit less weird?

00:53:42.000 I'm Ben Shapiro, this is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - May 23, 2016

Ep. 122 - Hillary Is Legitimately Terrible At This

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