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Ep. 129 - Trump 2016: Turn Down For What?


Summary

On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Hillary Clinton was asked about the Second Amendment. She said, "That would be a no, gang." She then added, "If it is a constitutional right, then it is subject to reasonable regulations." But that wasn't the question. It was, "Do you believe that an individual has a right to keep and bear arms?" And Hillary Clinton said, No. "That's not a question." She doesn't even say that the right exists in the first place. She wants to reverse Justice Scalia's decision in D.C. v. Heller, which says that individuals have such a right, that they should be allowed to own guns. She couches it in terms of regulations, but then she won t even say it exists. That's just dumb and historically ignorant. And as I just mentioned, Hillary has basically said now that she doesn't believe in basic Second Amendment rights. And that's why gun sales have skyrocketed under both Obama and Hillary Clinton. The reason they skyrocketed is because we were all afraid he was going to take our guns, so we went out and buy more of them. Watch for gun sales and prices to skyrocket in short order. Ben Shapiro. The most jam-packed show in radio, TV, and the internet. We have to speed through it today as we do every single day, we have the most jam packed show in the history of radio and the Internet. - Ben Shapiro, The Ben Shapiro Show. Subscribe to our newest show, The FiveThirtyEight. on Apple Podcasts! Subscribe on iTunes Learn more about your ad choices and get 20% off your first month free on Prime Video, unlimited access to all new releases, unlimited stock options, and much more! Subscribe, rate and review for the best deals on the best listening experience in the world. If you like what you're listening to, subscribe to our new show, we'll be giving you'll get 10% off the latest episode of CRITICISM, too! You get 7 days of the latest episodes starting on Monday through Prime Video and Vimeo, coming soon, starting on 7/27th July 9/19th! and 7/29th, Subscribe for exclusive VIP access only, only 3 months get 5GB and 7 other places get exclusive ad-only worldwide, only 2-months get full access to the best vids, same pricing plans, and more!


Transcript

00:00:00.000 For years, Democrats have been lying to Americans.
00:00:03.000 No, of course we won't take your guns, they say.
00:00:05.000 The latest iteration of this lie?
00:00:08.000 It came last week, courtesy of President Obama.
00:00:10.000 He told a gun shop owner, quote, first of all, the notion that I, or Hillary, or Democrats, or whomever you want to choose, are hell-bent on taking away folks' guns, that's just not true.
00:00:21.000 And I don't care how many times the NRA says it.
00:00:23.000 Well, that's not true.
00:00:25.000 On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Hillary was asked about the Second Amendment.
00:00:29.000 Stephanopoulos, who makes out with Hillary in his spare time, he asked, quote, Hillary answered, quote, That would be a no, gang.
00:00:34.000 She then added, if it is a constitutional right, if, then it, like every other constitutional right, is subject to reasonable regulations.
00:00:55.000 But that wasn't the question.
00:00:56.000 First off, there's no if in the Second Amendment.
00:00:58.000 It exists.
00:00:59.000 It applies personally.
00:01:00.000 It always applied personally.
00:01:02.000 Only completely constitutional ignoramuses would argue that the Militia Clause makes gun ownership dependent on membership in an organized police force.
00:01:11.000 That's just dumb and historically ignorant.
00:01:14.000 But second,
00:01:15.000 The question of reasonable regulation is a constitutional one.
00:01:18.000 There's no definition of reasonable that Hillary gets to define the boundaries of gun ownership.
00:01:23.000 Any more than reasonable regulations of the First Amendment allow Hillary to define the regulations of the First Amendment.
00:01:29.000 To allow her that power would end in the destruction of gun rights.
00:01:33.000 And here's what she said.
00:01:34.000 She said, I'm going to continue to speak out for comprehensive background checks, closing the gun show loophole, closing the online loophole, closing the so-called Charleston loophole, reversing the bill Senator Sanders voted for and I voted against, giving immunity from liability to gun makers and sellers.
00:01:49.000 Comprehensive background checks require a database of gun ownership, which allows the government to seize your guns.
00:01:53.000 There is no online loophole.
00:01:54.000 If I buy a gun online, it's then shipped to a federally licensed firearms dealer who does a background check on me.
00:02:00.000 And Hillary's notion that gun makers should be liable for a perfectly functioning gun if a bad guy gets a hold of the gun, that bankrupts the gun companies the same way that it would bankrupt a car company if you could sue the car manufacturer every time somebody misused a car and got into a car crash.
00:02:17.000 It would effectively bankrupt the car business, and that would effectively bankrupt the gun business.
00:02:21.000 That's Hillary's plan.
00:02:22.000 Hillary doesn't believe in a Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.
00:02:26.000 She couches it in terms of regulations, but then she won't even say that the right exists in the first place.
00:02:31.000 She wants to reverse Justice Scalia's decision in D.C.
00:02:33.000 v. Heller, which simply said, what's obvious, individuals have such a right to keep and bear arms.
00:02:38.000 Of course Hillary's coming after our guns.
00:02:40.000 There's a reason she has consistently, over and over again, cited gun confiscation in England and Australia as her model.
00:02:46.000 When Obama said to the gun shop owner, gun sales have skyrocketed under his tenure, this is how he defended himself.
00:02:51.000 He said, I can't be in favor of banning guns.
00:02:53.000 The gun sales skyrocketed!
00:02:55.000 Well, that's silly.
00:02:56.000 The reason they skyrocketed is because we were all afraid he was going to take our guns, so we went out and we bought more of them.
00:03:01.000 That fear is justified under both Obama and Clinton.
00:03:04.000 Watch for gun sales and prices to skyrocket in short order.
00:03:07.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:03:07.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:03:15.000 Alrighty folks, we have a jam-packed show.
00:03:17.000 We have to speed through it today as we do every single day.
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00:03:24.000 So, we begin today with Hillary Clinton.
00:03:26.000 Hillary Clinton is running a horrible campaign.
00:03:28.000 As I've said, it's one of the worst campaigns in the history of American politics.
00:03:32.000 And as I just mentioned, Hillary has basically said now that she doesn't believe in basic Second Amendment rights.
00:03:37.000 So Hillary was asked by George Stephanopoulos
00:03:40.000 Who, as I also said, makes out with Hillary in his spare time.
00:03:43.000 Back in his autobiography, he said in 1996 that he and Hillary had a moment after Bill won re-election in which Hillary looked at George Stephanopoulos and said, I love you, George.
00:03:54.000 And he looked back at her and said, I love you too, Hillary.
00:03:56.000 And then they started making out until she realized he wasn't a woman.
00:03:59.000 But in any case, Hillary says that, here she's asked by George Stephanopoulos, objective journalist George Stephanopoulos, she's asked by George Stephanopoulos,
00:04:09.000 Do you believe that an individual's right to bear arms is a constitutional right?
00:04:15.000 That it's not linked to service in a militia?
00:04:20.000 I think that for most of our history, there was a nuanced reading of the Second Amendment until the decision by the late Justice Scalia.
00:04:31.000 And there was no argument until then that localities and states and the federal government
00:04:38.000 I had a right, as we do with every amendment, to impose reasonable regulations.
00:04:45.000 So I believe we can have common sense gun safety measures consistent with the Second Amendment.
00:04:51.000 And in fact, what I have proposed is supported by 90% of the American people and more than 75% of responsible gun owners.
00:05:01.000 So that is exactly what I think is constitutionally permissible.
00:05:06.000 And once again, you have Donald Trump just making outright fabrications, accusing me of something that is absolutely untrue.
00:05:16.000 But I'm going to continue to speak out for comprehensive background checks, closing the gun show loophole, closing the online loophole, closing the so-called Charleston loophole, reversing the bill that Senator Sanders
00:05:29.000 Okay, we can stop it there.
00:05:34.000 She's just, she's audio deaf.
00:05:37.000 But Hillary Clinton says that she wants your guns, basically.
00:05:40.000 But Donald Trump is lying when he says that she wants your guns.
00:05:44.000 So no, Donald Trump is not lying.
00:05:45.000 She does, in fact, want your guns.
00:05:47.000 She followed that up over the weekend.
00:05:48.000 She was apparently, she hasn't had a press conference in something like half a year.
00:05:53.000 And there's a new report out saying that she doesn't like talking to the press.
00:05:56.000 She tries to avoid the press at all costs.
00:05:58.000 And look at her spokespeople try to run from this problem.
00:06:01.000 Here's Hillary's spokesperson, Brian Fallon, saying she doesn't have any reluctance to talk to the press.
00:06:06.000 We're going to continue to do national press availabilities with our traveling press corps, press conferences sometimes as well.
00:06:10.000 But you're getting hammered for this lack of press conferences.
00:06:12.000 What's the reason why she's reluctant to give press conferences?
00:06:16.000 There's no reluctance.
00:06:16.000 I think that oftentimes we will do an event at the end of a, at the end of the day we will do an avail, what would be known as an avail to the people in your business.
00:06:25.000 Okay, we can stop it there.
00:06:26.000 So, the truth is that she has spent, in the last half year, a grand total of 46 minutes on such avails.
00:06:31.000 So, Hillary's running a bad campaign.
00:06:32.000 She's running a bad campaign.
00:06:49.000 Everybody knows it.
00:06:50.000 She's a target-rich environment.
00:06:52.000 Bernie Sanders is now threatening that Hillary Clinton isn't going to get his supporters if he drops out, if he finishes up.
00:06:58.000 Jake Tapper asked him about this on CNN.
00:07:00.000 There's chaos in the Democratic Party.
00:07:02.000 What is your message to those people?
00:07:04.000 Obviously you want their support and you want to be the nominee, but is Bernie or Bust a palatable position?
00:07:10.000 Well, I think to answer your question, the idea that I can snap my fingers and have millions of supporters kind of march in line, that is not what our effort is about.
00:07:22.000 I think if I am not the nominee and we're going to fight to become the nominee, it is Secretary Clinton's job to explain to those people why she should be, why she should get their support.
00:07:33.000 And that means she's going to have to address their needs.
00:07:36.000 Secretary Clinton is going to have to make the convincing argument to them that how could it be that she's getting huge amounts of money from Wall Street and other powerful special interests and she is going to stand up and fight for them.
00:07:47.000 But no matter what, are you going to work hard to make sure that Donald Trump loses and the Democratic candidate, whether it's you or her?
00:07:53.000 Yes.
00:07:55.000 Yes, he'll work hard, but he can't guarantee that people are going to fall into line.
00:07:58.000 Worth noting here, I just realized that Bernie Sanders has the exact same cadence of William Shatner.
00:08:03.000 He also just has a Brooklyn accent.
00:08:05.000 So if you just did William Shatner, William Shatner.
00:08:08.000 With a Brooklyn accent?
00:08:09.000 Then you get Bernie Sanders.
00:08:10.000 In any case, Sanders is on the attack against Hillary Clinton, and she's having a tough time defending Bernie Sanders.
00:08:16.000 He's now ripping on the Clinton Foundation.
00:08:18.000 So, at this point, he's really wishing that he had cared about her damn emails.
00:08:21.000 You remember when, in debate, he said, Nobody cares about your damn emails!
00:08:25.000 Well, it turns out that he probably should have cared more.
00:08:28.000 Now he's in his final death throes of his campaign.
00:08:30.000 Today is the California, or tomorrow is the California primary.
00:08:34.000 And Bernie really needs to win if he wants to remain alive in this race at all.
00:08:38.000 So he's taking the kitchen sink and finally throwing it at Hillary.
00:08:41.000 He says that the Clinton Foundation is a problem.
00:08:44.000 Here he is explaining it to Jake Tapper.
00:08:46.000 There are those who say that there's something inherently wrong with an American charity, especially one with ties to a Secretary of State.
00:08:55.000 Taking money from the Saudis and other foreign governments that don't represent our values.
00:09:00.000 Is that a fair criticism?
00:09:01.000 Yes, it is.
00:09:03.000 It is.
00:09:03.000 If you ask me about the Clinton Foundation, do I have a problem when a sitting Secretary of State and a foundation run by her husband collects many millions of dollars from foreign governments?
00:09:17.000 Governments which are dictatorships?
00:09:21.000 You don't have a lot of civil liberties or democratic rights in Saudi Arabia.
00:09:26.000 You don't have a lot of respect there for opposition points of view for gay rights, for women's rights.
00:09:33.000 Do I have a problem with that?
00:09:38.000 You think it creates an appearance of conflict of interest?
00:09:42.000 I do.
00:09:42.000 And Bill is having a tough time answering this.
00:09:45.000 So here's Bill Clinton trying to defend his wife, Bill, looking like a walking corpse on Bloomberg here, being asked about the Clinton Foundation and Bernie Sanders' critique.
00:09:54.000 ExxonMobil has said that they are not going to sponsor CGI this year.
00:10:00.000 Is this because of the funding controversy?
00:10:03.000 Well, I think they don't want to be involved in politics.
00:10:06.000 They don't think we were ever political.
00:10:09.000 There's never been a more, I don't believe, a foundation with a prominent political person involved in it like me.
00:10:18.000 There's been more non-political.
00:10:20.000 I've had George and Laura Bush here, Mitt Romney, John McCain, Sarah Palin came.
00:10:28.000 I've got all these.
00:10:30.000 We're good.
00:10:45.000 Well, that's somebody attacking you.
00:10:47.000 And I think that the fact that there are so many other channels like Bloomberg and the social media means that, in effect, if somebody wants to go negative, it's, I think, sort of a tribute to my wife that it all happened now.
00:11:02.000 And we've and we've got all this, all the social media and the alternative ways of communicating.
00:11:12.000 And I think
00:11:13.000 In the end, the foundation will stand or fall on the work it does.
00:11:28.000 For the Hillary Clinton campaign.
00:11:29.000 And it's a worse week because at the end of last week, we didn't have a chance to talk about this, there were a bunch of riots in San Jose.
00:11:34.000 So Trump speaks in San Jose and here's a little bit of what it looked like in San Jose with people going nuts and beating up Trump supporters in San Jose.
00:11:43.000 Trump was speaking inside an arena there.
00:12:11.000 And there are the cops doing a stellar job.
00:12:13.000 Come here!
00:12:26.000 Yeah, he should be good.
00:12:29.000 You didn't say anything to anybody?
00:12:30.000 You were just walking out?
00:12:30.000 I was walking out with a Trump sign.
00:12:32.000 He grabbed my Trump sign and started following me, saying I was like a racist.
00:12:36.000 So he literally didn't say anything to provoke them?
00:12:39.000 I was just like, yeah, Trump, Trump.
00:12:53.000 Get the f*** out!
00:12:55.000 F*** you!
00:13:05.000 Okay.
00:13:06.000 So you can hear people chanting, and they are chanting obscene things, and for those who can't see, you need to subscribe to Daily Wire so you can see all of this, and you can subscribe and get 30 days for free.
00:13:16.000 And obviously send mail into the mailbag as well.
00:13:19.000 For those who can't see, there are people being cold-cocked, people being punched, a woman having eggs thrown at her, and my favorite is the guy who gets hit with the bag, and he's bleeding from above his ear, and the cops are asking him, did you say anything to provoke the people?
00:13:32.000 As though that- there's nothing you can say that provokes somebody to punch you in the face.
00:13:36.000 All of this put aside the evil of the left.
00:13:39.000 I've talked about the mobocracy of the left, the left's reliance on these mobs to do their dirty work for them and provide sort of the impetus for government action from the outside.
00:13:48.000 So you have riots in Ferguson so that Obama can then say, oh, I'm fixing it to prevent riots like that from happening again.
00:13:53.000 Right, Marion Barry used to do this in D.C.
00:13:55.000 We've talked about this in Baltimore.
00:13:58.000 The idea is that you have a riot, and then people say, oh, well, if we don't want those people to riot, what can we do with the power of government to make things all better?
00:14:05.000 Now you've got the anti-Trump people doing the same thing.
00:14:07.000 The idea is, shut up, Donald Trump, or we're going to beat people up.
00:14:11.000 In the end, this helps Donald Trump, politically speaking, because people look at this kind of stuff.
00:14:15.000 I look at this kind of stuff, and I said, these people have to be defeated.
00:14:17.000 These people are terrible.
00:14:19.000 I mean, I've spoken at universities after the so-called chalkening, when people were chalking Trump 2016, and other people were going nuts and going to the administration and crying.
00:14:27.000 And I've chalked Trump 2016 myself, even though I really think Donald Trump is terrible.
00:14:32.000 Because the idea is that you have to stop the fascists, and one way of stopping the fascists, presumably, might be to stand up for the guy who ticks off the fascists.
00:14:40.000 We'll get to why that's not a proper solution in a second.
00:14:44.000 So Bernie Sanders has to come out and tell the supporters to knock off the violence.
00:14:47.000 And again, all of this puts Trump in the catbird seat politically because if the left is seen as violent, then people want somebody who's going to come in and restore law and order.
00:14:54.000 And the left is violent.
00:14:55.000 The left is terrible.
00:14:56.000 People who are saying, by the way, we'll get to this in a second, but people who are saying that Trump brought this on himself or brought it on his supporters, that's not how free speech works, gang.
00:15:05.000 Donald Trump is responsible for his supporters engaging in violence that he encourages, but you're not responsible for people acting violently against you.
00:15:13.000 That's their decision.
00:15:16.000 And Donald Trump is not responsible for people acting violent to his supporters.
00:15:19.000 That's absurd.
00:15:20.000 And it's nasty.
00:15:22.000 Here's Bernie Sanders telling his supporters they need to knock off the violence.
00:15:25.000 Some of these people who have been very violent have been seen with your signs, Bernie Sanders' signs, chanting your name.
00:15:35.000 Do you condemn the violence?
00:15:36.000 I condemn it, absolutely.
00:15:37.000 And let's be very clear.
00:15:38.000 We've got millions and millions of people who are supporting us.
00:15:42.000 And, uh, I want to make it clear that any person who is a Bernie Sanders supporter, please, do not in any way, shape, or form engage in violence.
00:15:52.000 That is absolutely not what this campaign is about.
00:15:54.000 Okay, he would go on to knock on Trump, to blast Trump, but that part is correct.
00:16:01.000 Hillary actually spells out the message.
00:16:03.000 She says violence is bad, but Trump's responsible for it.
00:16:05.000 Here's Hillary being a terrible person.
00:16:08.000 Do you condemn the violence?
00:16:09.000 What is your message to people who are protesting Donald Trump?
00:16:13.000 I condemn all violence in our political arena.
00:16:18.000 I condemned it when Donald Trump was inciting it and congratulating people who were engaging in it.
00:16:24.000 I condemn it by those who are taking violent protests to physical assault against Donald Trump.
00:16:32.000 This has to end.
00:16:33.000 He set a very bad example.
00:16:35.000 He created an environment in which it seemed to be acceptable
00:16:41.000 For someone running for president to be inciting violence, to be encouraging his supporters, now we're seeing people who are against him responding in kind.
00:16:50.000 It should all stop.
00:16:51.000 It is not acceptable.
00:16:53.000 At the end of the day, do you think that those violent anti-Trump protesters actually might be helping him in a way by showing his opposition in such a horrendous light?
00:17:06.000 I don't think any of this helps anybody.
00:17:09.000 I don't think his protests...
00:17:12.000 Uh, that were led by his supporters, beating up people who were peacefully protesting against him.
00:17:17.000 Okay, we can stop here.
00:17:18.000 Hillary's a terrible person.
00:17:19.000 Okay, so the reason Hillary's a terrible person here is the first half of what she says is correct, right?
00:17:24.000 Violence on all sides is wrong.
00:17:25.000 Anybody who encourages it is wrong.
00:17:26.000 Then she goes ahead and she says, Donald Trump created this climate.
00:17:30.000 That's her encouraging violence.
00:17:31.000 You understand that?
00:17:32.000 That's her saying, Donald Trump created this climate of violence.
00:17:34.000 I fully understand why people are engaging in violence against Trump supporters.
00:17:39.000 First of all, that's not even true.
00:17:40.000 The climate of violence has been around in the Democratic Party since the 1960s.
00:17:43.000 Hillary was part of it.
00:17:45.000 Hillary is part of the incentivization of the Black Lives Matter movement.
00:17:48.000 She was part of the incentivization of the Occupy Wall Street movement.
00:17:51.000 Hillary, going all the way back to the 60s, was part of the anti-Vietnam War movement.
00:17:55.000 All of these movements had violent components to them, and riots were a regular thing.
00:18:00.000 For Hillary to blame Donald Trump for this is absurd.
00:18:03.000 It's absurd, and it makes people angry.
00:18:05.000 Andrea Mitchell does the same thing.
00:18:07.000 Andrea Mitchell on NBC, she's asked about Donald Trump's supporter getting egged, and she blames Trump.
00:18:12.000 She says it's Donald Trump's fault that this supporter got egged.
00:18:14.000 The fact is that there is tremendous antipathy right now around this whole race, yet when they closed the registration,
00:18:23.000 For California, on Friday night, Sacramento's Secretary of State announced it is unprecedented, historic, almost 18 million people now registered, 72% of those eligible have registered to vote.
00:18:35.000 And this is, I think, really generated by the concern that Hispanics and others have about Donald Trump.
00:18:43.000 That awful, awful
00:18:46.000 No doubt.
00:19:09.000 So she goes back to Hillary's doing a wonderful job.
00:19:12.000 Okay, it's not Trump's fault if his supporters get egged.
00:19:15.000 I'm sorry, that's not how this works.
00:19:16.000 None of this works this way.
00:19:17.000 David Brooks does the same thing.
00:19:18.000 He also blames Trump.
00:19:19.000 Okay, listen, I don't like Donald Trump.
00:19:22.000 I don't know how else to say this.
00:19:23.000 I think Donald Trump is a terrible person.
00:19:24.000 Donald Trump is not responsible for his supporters getting egged or punched or hit with bricks.
00:19:29.000 I mean, he's not responsible for any of these things.
00:19:31.000 He's not responsible for people attacking cops at his rallies.
00:19:34.000 Okay, that's not America.
00:19:36.000 This is nonsense, but David Brooks says the same thing here, because this demonstrates that there really is this sort of panty-waist fascism that has crept up on the left and has infused parts of the so-called right like David Brooks, where if people just aren't genteel enough for Hillary Clinton or David Brooks, then they deserve to get beat up.
00:19:52.000 It's just ridiculous in every way.
00:19:54.000 It's actually gross and fascist.
00:19:56.000 But that in no way justifies or vindicates putting police officers at risk or attacking other people physically.
00:20:04.000 It's a little more like soccer hooliganism to me.
00:20:06.000 It's a group of people who like violence.
00:20:08.000 They tend to be young men.
00:20:10.000 And Trump happens to generate this sort of excitement that gives them a pretext.
00:20:14.000 Oh, he generates the excitement that gives them a pretext.
00:20:16.000 Or, perhaps, they're bad people.
00:20:19.000 Why is it about Trump?
00:20:19.000 It's not about Trump.
00:20:20.000 It's about them being bad people.
00:20:21.000 Again, what generated the pretext for these hooligans to go around burning down cities?
00:20:26.000 What generated the pretext for them to do this, for goodness sake, over the World Trade Organization in Seattle, right?
00:20:30.000 I mean, they used to burn things up and break windows in Seattle every year.
00:20:33.000 They still do.
00:20:35.000 Is that because of Trump?
00:20:36.000 This all is nonsense, but this attempt to blame Trump for everything?
00:20:39.000 Trump's to blame for a lot of things, but blame him for the things he's blameworthy for.
00:20:44.000 Blaming him for everything just undermines the value of truth.
00:20:49.000 And as Newt Gingrich says, the country is going to become enraged if all of this continues.
00:20:53.000 Question, if these violent anti-Trump rallies continue into the convention, into the fall, how do you see it factoring into the campaign?
00:21:01.000 The country will become enraged.
00:21:03.000 I mean, the fact is, go look at Madison, Wisconsin, where there were huge demonstrations against the elected governor, Scott Walker, the elected legislature, doing exactly what they won the election on.
00:21:16.000 If Donald Trump is serious about changing Washington, every federal employee union will be in the streets.
00:21:21.000 Because the first thing you have to do to be serious is make it possible to fire corrupt, dishonest, and illegal workers.
00:21:27.000 But you don't think there's a conceivable backlash where people say Trump is just too divisive?
00:21:31.000 No, I think when people see the American flag being burned, they don't side with the people burning the American flag.
00:21:37.000 I think it drives Hillary and Sanders into a very narrow box.
00:21:41.000 This is 1968 all over again.
00:21:43.000 This is the hard left saying, if you don't do what we want, we're going to be physically violent, and we're going to pick on some woman who can't defend herself.
00:21:52.000 I don't think that is sustainable, and I think the American people will be repulsed by the idea that the hard left gets to dictate to the rest of us.
00:22:00.000 Okay, this is totally true.
00:22:02.000 Gingrich is 100% right, and all of this provides Trump with his opening.
00:22:06.000 So, now the question becomes, Trump's got this opening.
00:22:08.000 Hillary is extraordinarily weak.
00:22:10.000 She can't even put away the geriatric socialist.
00:22:12.000 She can't do anything.
00:22:13.000 Hillary is an extraordinarily weak candidate.
00:22:15.000 Meanwhile, Hillary and Sanders supporters are burning American flags, stomping on police cars, and attempting to beat up Trump supporters.
00:22:22.000 All this provides Trump with his opening.
00:22:23.000 All Trump has to do
00:22:25.000 Barack Obama has been a terrible president, but he's been a tremendous divider.
00:22:49.000 ...this country from rich and poor, from black and white.
00:22:52.000 I mean, he has divided this country like no president, in my opinion, almost ever.
00:22:58.000 And number one, we need a cheerleader.
00:23:01.000 I always thought one thing with him.
00:23:02.000 I said, he's unqualified to be president.
00:23:04.000 And Hillary's unqualified.
00:23:06.000 She's unqualified because she has very bad judgment.
00:23:08.000 Hillary has horrible judgment.
00:23:11.000 And Bernie Sanders said that about her.
00:23:13.000 But Obama, I thought, was going to be a great cheerleader.
00:23:17.000 And he turned out to be a very bad cheerleader.
00:23:19.000 The one thing I thought he could do is bring people together.
00:23:22.000 And it turned out to be just the opposite.
00:23:24.000 I will bring people together.
00:23:26.000 Okay, so he says he's gonna bring people together, Obama's a divider.
00:23:28.000 Okay, this is what he needs to be saying.
00:23:30.000 It's true, Obama is a divider.
00:23:31.000 This is what he needs to be saying.
00:23:33.000 And he's trying to bridge gaps with people he's disagreed with, like Paul Ryan.
00:23:37.000 So here is Paul Ryan.
00:23:39.000 So Paul Ryan endorses Trump last week, and here is Trump responding to Paul Ryan's endorsement on Face the Nation.
00:23:45.000 He's most appealing.
00:23:45.000 He's a good man.
00:23:47.000 He wants good things for the country.
00:23:49.000 We will agree on many things.
00:23:51.000 We're not going to agree on all things, but we're going to agree on many things.
00:23:54.000 For instance?
00:23:55.000 Paul Ryan, well, I think we'll agree on, as an example, he really focuses on poverty.
00:24:00.000 He wants to take people out of poverty.
00:24:01.000 So do I. And we're going to come up with a plan.
00:24:05.000 Okay, so all of this is fine.
00:24:07.000 I don't believe him, but that's okay.
00:24:09.000 He's making his case now.
00:24:10.000 So here is him making his case.
00:24:11.000 He's also asked about Hillary's accusations that he's thin-skinned.
00:24:15.000 And here is Donald Trump.
00:24:17.000 Here we go.
00:24:19.000 Why so thin-skinned?
00:24:21.000 I don't like lies.
00:24:23.000 I don't mind a bad story.
00:24:24.000 If you did a bad story on me for 60 minutes, if it were a fair story, I wouldn't be thin-skinned at all.
00:24:31.000 You know, some of the media is among the worst people I've ever met.
00:24:34.000 And I mean a pretty good percentage is really a terrible group of people.
00:24:38.000 They write lies.
00:24:39.000 They write false stories.
00:24:41.000 They know they're false.
00:24:42.000 It makes no difference.
00:24:44.000 And, frankly, I'm... I don't call it thin-skinned.
00:24:48.000 I'm angry.
00:24:49.000 But a reporter asked you a couple of hard questions at the first debate, and the whole week after that, it's war on that reporter.
00:24:55.000 Well, I don't think that was a fair question.
00:24:57.000 An impression is created, though, that you like to dish it out, but you can't take a punch.
00:25:01.000 Oh, I think I can take it.
00:25:03.000 I can take it if it's fair.
00:25:04.000 Again, if people say things that are false, which happens a lot with me, if people say things that are false,
00:25:11.000 I will fight like harder than anybody.
00:25:14.000 So he says he's not thin-skinned.
00:25:15.000 In fact, he has the most beautiful skin.
00:25:17.000 I mean, there's no pores in it or anything.
00:25:19.000 You can see it's just a magnificent skin.
00:25:20.000 It's the greatest skin anybody's ever had.
00:25:22.000 It's skin that was made straight from God.
00:25:24.000 It's amazing skin.
00:25:25.000 Okay, so this is again Trump making his case.
00:25:27.000 He's not thin-skinned.
00:25:28.000 He's very fair to everybody.
00:25:30.000 He's gonna make nice with Paul Ryan.
00:25:31.000 He's gonna be Uniter.
00:25:33.000 And then we start to get a little bit dicey.
00:25:34.000 So he's asked specifically about his foreign policy.
00:25:37.000 He said before he was against the invasion of Libya under Hillary Clinton.
00:25:40.000 And then he's quoted saying he was for the invasion of Libya and here's Trump flip-flopping on it.
00:26:03.000 That's not the way it's supposed to be.
00:26:03.000 I think since then you've said you were never for interventions.
00:26:06.000 I was never for a strong intervention.
00:26:07.000 I could have seen surgical where you take out Gaddafi and his group.
00:26:11.000 Here's the part where it really goes bad.
00:26:12.000 So all of this is Trump just being, this is the best version of Trump, right?
00:26:16.000 What we saw in the last three clips, best version of Trump.
00:26:18.000 He's a uniter.
00:26:19.000 He's going to bring people together.
00:26:21.000 Even when he says he's sort of pro-the Libyan invasion, he's sort of anti-the Libyan invasion.
00:26:24.000 Okay, fine.
00:26:25.000 So he doesn't know what he's talking about.
00:26:26.000 But at least he's not starting riots.
00:26:28.000 At least he's not creating violence.
00:26:31.000 At least he's not back to the guy who's saying that he wants to pay people who punch protesters at his rallies.
00:26:36.000 Right?
00:26:36.000 This is good Trump.
00:26:37.000 This is Jekyll and Hyde.
00:26:38.000 This is Dr. Jekyll right here.
00:26:40.000 And then we get Mr. Hyde.
00:26:42.000 And here is where Trump is off the reservation.
00:26:44.000 So, he finally has this opening, as I say.
00:26:46.000 Hillary's a terrible candidate.
00:26:48.000 He's got riots against him.
00:26:50.000 The opposition is lining up.
00:26:51.000 They're looking bad.
00:26:53.000 And then Donald Trump can't stop himself.
00:26:54.000 He has no capacity to stop himself.
00:26:57.000 So he's asked about his comments that we spoke about last week about this judge and his Trump University case.
00:27:04.000 And a couple of quick notes going into what we're about to talk about.
00:27:08.000 There are two arguments that have been made for Donald Trump by people who are conservative.
00:27:13.000 One is Donald Trump is capable of change.
00:27:15.000 The other is Donald Trump
00:27:18.000 He's going to lose this election and he's going to lose this election because he has no discipline and because he's not a very good person.
00:27:23.000 Here's Donald Trump.
00:27:47.000 Isn't there sort of a tradition though in America that we don't judge people by who their parents were and where they came from?
00:27:53.000 I'm not talking about tradition, I'm talking about common sense, okay?
00:27:56.000 He's somebody, he's proud of his heritage and I think that's great that he's proud of his heritage.
00:27:59.000 But you're saying it's a barrier to him doing his job?
00:28:01.000 No, he's not treating me fairly.
00:28:03.000 And you think it's because of where his parents came from?
00:28:06.000 They go before the judge and he lets her out?
00:28:08.000 Well, he can let her out, but you have to dismiss the case.
00:28:11.000 Yeah, I guess I'm just too confused.
00:28:12.000 What does Mexican parents have to do with that?
00:28:14.000 Well, excuse me.
00:28:15.000 I want to build a wall.
00:28:17.000 I mean, I don't think it's very confusing.
00:28:19.000 It has nothing to do with anything except common sense.
00:28:21.000 You know, we have to stop being so politically correct in this country, and we need a little more common sense, John.
00:28:28.000 And I'm not blaming.
00:28:29.000 I'm proud of my heritage.
00:28:31.000 We're all proud of our heritage.
00:28:32.000 But I want to build a wall.
00:28:43.000 Board or whatever it is.
00:28:44.000 La Raza Legal Council.
00:28:46.000 And what that is, it's not National Council of La Raza, that's a different thing.
00:28:50.000 But La Raza Legal Council is basically like the Hispanic advocacy group in Los Angeles, in the California bar.
00:28:56.000 There's a Jewish one, there's a black one, there are all sorts of these things.
00:29:00.000 This particular one happens to be very much in favor of the quote-unquote rights of undocumented immigrants.
00:29:05.000 If Trump cites that, we don't have a problem here.
00:29:08.000 He says, look, he's in favor of undocumented immigrants, he's made that clear, he's given out scholarships to them.
00:29:13.000 He could say all of that without mentioning his Mexican heritage.
00:29:17.000 But the implication is, he's a Mexican, therefore he must think all these things.
00:29:21.000 And he says, his heritage means that he doesn't want me to build a wall.
00:29:24.000 Well, flip that around for a second.
00:29:25.000 Flip that around for a second.
00:29:27.000 There are people on the left who say about Trump, the only reason he wants to build a wall is because of his heritage, right?
00:29:32.000 Because he's a white guy.
00:29:33.000 So Donald Trump is a white guy, and that's why he wants to build a wall.
00:29:36.000 People like me say, that's racist.
00:29:38.000 I'm not technically white.
00:29:40.000 I'm Jewish.
00:29:40.000 I want to build a wall.
00:29:41.000 Why is that?
00:29:42.000 Is that because I'm white?
00:29:43.000 But Donald Trump, because he traffics in stereotypes and because he traffics in racism, he opens himself up to all of these things.
00:29:51.000 And Jake Tapper hits him on it.
00:29:52.000 Jake Tapper of CNN, he says, look, aren't you being a racist when you say the judge can't do his job just because he's of Mexican descent?
00:29:57.000 He's not even Mexican.
00:29:58.000 He was born in Indiana.
00:29:59.000 He spent his entire life here.
00:30:00.000 He was actually, they put out a hit on him.
00:30:02.000 The Mexican drug cartels put out a hit on him when he was a DA.
00:30:05.000 And here's Tapper going after Trump.
00:30:07.000 Is it not, when Hillary Clinton says this is a racist attack and you reject that,
00:30:12.000 If you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism?
00:30:19.000 No, I don't think so at all.
00:30:20.000 No?
00:30:21.000 No.
00:30:21.000 He's proud of his heritage.
00:30:22.000 I respect him for that.
00:30:23.000 But you're saying he can't do his job because of it.
00:30:25.000 Look, he's proud of his heritage, OK?
00:30:27.000 I'm building a wall.
00:30:29.000 Now, I think I'm going to do very well with Hispanics.
00:30:30.000 He's a legal citizen.
00:30:31.000 You know why I'm going to do well with Hispanics?
00:30:32.000 Because I'm going to bring back jobs.
00:30:33.000 And they're going to get jobs right now.
00:30:35.000 They're going to get jobs.
00:30:36.000 I think I'm going to do very well with Hispanics.
00:30:38.000 But we're building a wall.
00:30:40.000 He's a Mexican.
00:30:41.000 We're building a wall between here and Mexico.
00:30:44.000 The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings.
00:30:49.000 Rulings that people can't even believe.
00:30:51.000 This case should have ended years ago on summary judgment.
00:30:54.000 The best lawyers, I have spoken to so many lawyers, they said, this is not a case, this is a case that should have ended.
00:31:00.000 This judge is giving us unfair rulings.
00:31:03.000 Now I say why.
00:31:04.000 Well, I'm building a wall, okay?
00:31:07.000 And it's a war between Mexico, not another country.
00:31:10.000 He's not from Mexico.
00:31:11.000 In my opinion... He's from Indiana.
00:31:13.000 ...his Mexican heritage.
00:31:15.000 And he's very proud of it.
00:31:16.000 Okay, it's just, it's egregious.
00:31:18.000 And you watch this, and it's racism.
00:31:20.000 I'm sorry, there's no other way to put it.
00:31:22.000 Now, does that mean he should be prosecuted?
00:31:24.000 No, it's a free country.
00:31:25.000 But it does mean he's saying something that's kind of terrible, right?
00:31:28.000 Imagine that he takes, take this out of context for a second.
00:31:30.000 Let's say that he's stumping against Black Lives Matter.
00:31:33.000 And he has a judge in one of his cases.
00:31:34.000 And the judge is black.
00:31:36.000 And he said, you know what?
00:31:37.000 Got a black judge, he's not gonna be fair to me.
00:31:39.000 He's not gonna be fair to me, he's a black judge.
00:31:41.000 You say, wait a second, just because he's black?
00:31:43.000 Well, you know, he's black and I'm against Black Lives Matter.
00:31:45.000 I think Black Lives Matter is bad.
00:31:46.000 Wouldn't you say, wait a second, that's racist?
00:31:48.000 You're saying he can't do his job because he's black.
00:31:50.000 And maybe you disagree on issues, but you don't even have any evidence that that's the case.
00:31:54.000 It would be so easy for Trump not to be a racist here, but he does it anyway.
00:31:59.000 And we're now being told that he has no capacity to back off of it.
00:32:01.000 So, what's amazing is, again, there are two things.
00:32:04.000 One, there was the argument Reince Priebus said, Trump needs to evolve.
00:32:07.000 Donald Trump needs to evolve.
00:32:08.000 He needs to change, is what Reince Priebus, the head of the RNC, said.
00:32:11.000 Not gonna happen.
00:32:12.000 I mean, this interview is almost, it's just the mirror image of the interview that Jake Tapper did with Donald Trump about the KKK, where Jake Tapper said to Donald Trump, do you condemn the KKK?
00:32:23.000 And Trump said, KKK?
00:32:24.000 I've never heard of the KKK.
00:32:26.000 What's the KKK?
00:32:26.000 I don't know.
00:32:27.000 What's the KKK?
00:32:28.000 Right, and Tapper says to him, well all I'm asking you to do is like condemn the KKK.
00:32:32.000 Here he's saying, all I'm asking, he's from Indiana, he's not from Mexico.
00:32:37.000 But Trump can't stop himself.
00:32:38.000 So the idea that Trump is going to turn it down, it should be Trump, his campaign slogan should be Trump 2016, turn down for what?
00:32:46.000 I mean, because the bottom line here is he's not going to turn down for anything.
00:32:49.000 And this is why the Never Trump movement still matters.
00:32:53.000 All these people who are consolidating behind him, now they're trapped, and he knows they're trapped, and they can't get out, and now they're stuck, and they're totally screwed, and there's nothing they can do about it.
00:33:01.000 So Newt Gingrich came out.
00:33:03.000 And Gingrich came out and he says that this is inexcusable.
00:33:06.000 He calls it inexcusable.
00:33:06.000 So naturally Donald Trump immediately turns around and smacks Newt Gingrich, who's been a guy who helped push him up the ladder, right?
00:33:12.000 Newt Gingrich has been a big Donald Trump fan.
00:33:14.000 He wants his VP slot.
00:33:15.000 Here's Donald Trump smacking Newt Gingrich.
00:33:17.000 You really respect Newt Gingrich.
00:33:19.000 He wasn't, you know, he wasn't just firing off.
00:33:21.000 He said some nice things about you in that interview, but says, I can't condone, he doesn't understand where you're coming out with this.
00:33:27.000 Does anything like that get through to you and make you reform your tactics when somebody who's been a supporter of yours comes out and says this is a huge mistake?
00:33:37.000 All I'm trying to do is figure out why I'm being treated so unfairly by a judge.
00:33:41.000 And a lot of people agree with it.
00:33:44.000 All I want to do is find out why am I being treated so unfairly by a judge.
00:33:49.000 Just terrible.
00:33:50.000 Just terrible.
00:33:51.000 I mean, it's just, it's just... So he goes after Newt Gingrich.
00:33:55.000 So much for the idea that his advisors are gonna control him.
00:33:57.000 Remember that?
00:33:58.000 On foreign policy, on domestic policy, on judges?
00:34:00.000 His advisors will tell him what to do.
00:34:02.000 Don't worry, it'll all be okay.
00:34:04.000 His advisors will tell him what to do.
00:34:05.000 There are people like me sitting outside going, I don't trust this guy.
00:34:09.000 Prove it to me.
00:34:10.000 But once you've bought in, once you're on the Trump train, even if you say he's just the lesser of two evils, now you own him.
00:34:17.000 Okay, you broke the Republican Party, you bought the Republican Party.
00:34:20.000 Mitch McConnell, Senate Majority Leader.
00:34:22.000 He's asked specifically about Trump's racist comments.
00:34:25.000 Watch as Mitch McConnell, I mean, he already has the turtle look to him.
00:34:28.000 Watch as he tries to crawl back into his shell.
00:34:31.000 Do you worry at all that your nominee now, Donald Trump, will do to Latino voters what Barry Goldwater did to African-American voters?
00:34:40.000 I do.
00:34:41.000 I do.
00:34:42.000 And I think that the attacks that he's routinely engaged in, for example, going after Susana Martinez, the Republican governor of New Mexico, the chairman of the Republican Governors Association, I think was a big mistake.
00:34:57.000 What he ought to be doing now is trying to unify the party, and I think attacking people once you have won is a time, if you can, to be gracious and try to bring the party together.
00:35:08.000 So I don't agree with everything Trump says or does.
00:35:12.000 But I do know that we now have a choice.
00:35:14.000 A choice between two very unpopular candidates.
00:35:17.000 Very unpopular.
00:35:18.000 You've picked Donald Trump.
00:35:20.000 I do.
00:35:20.000 Because I know for sure he won't be four more years just like the last eight.
00:35:24.000 He will be a change.
00:35:25.000 Hillary will continue the policies of this administration, which I think have been very bad for the country.
00:35:31.000 And she'll pick the next Supreme Court Justice.
00:35:36.000 Okay, and Tapper asked him consistently, is it racist?
00:35:38.000 Is it racist?
00:35:39.000 Is it racist?
00:35:40.000 And he keeps saying, well, it's not something I like.
00:35:43.000 It's not something I like.
00:35:44.000 Yeah, well, you're stuck with it, and you don't have any impact on Trump.
00:35:47.000 Trump runs the show, and you're just on board of this motorboat, this out-of-control motorboat, so enjoy yourselves.
00:35:53.000 The media, meanwhile, they've now decided that they are going to go after Trump hard.
00:35:58.000 Now, we knew this was coming, right?
00:36:00.000 Who could have predicted, except for me, every single day on this program, who could have predicted that the media
00:36:05.000 Would have treated Donald Trump with kid gloves up to the general election and then flipped on Trump and decided that he was the worst person ever after elevating him to the nomination.
00:36:13.000 After demonstrating that Republicans really are their id.
00:36:15.000 There's the id, the ego, and the superego.
00:36:18.000 The id is the animalistic side of yourself.
00:36:20.000 After demonstrating that Trump is the Republican id and that our id really is this kind of xenophobic nasty guy.
00:36:26.000 Now they're going to turn on him.
00:36:27.000 So Joe Scarborough, who helped elevate Donald Trump, I mean really helped elevate Donald Trump, was just licking Donald Trump's posterior this entire election cycle.
00:36:35.000 Joe Scarborough, now he's determined that he cannot in good conscience support Donald Trump.
00:36:40.000 It's just absurd.
00:36:42.000 These Republicans this week, who were so shocked and stunned and deeply saddened and offended by this clear act of racism, had all the evidence in the world before that he had done things, but again...
00:36:57.000 Stopped them from endorsing him.
00:37:00.000 How do you endorse Paul Ryan?
00:37:02.000 A man that supports the banning of 1.4 billion Muslims from ever entering the United States of America.
00:37:11.000 You make him back down, actually.
00:37:12.000 That's what I was hoping, that perhaps we could put pressure on him to back down and change that policy.
00:37:18.000 Instead, Al, he's doubled down and now it's people that may have, what is it?
00:37:24.000 One-sixteenth Mexican blood.
00:37:26.000 If you got one-sixteenth Mexican blood, then maybe you can't be a judge.
00:37:29.000 One-sixteenth Muslim blood.
00:37:30.000 What year is this?
00:37:31.000 I mean, this is unbelievable.
00:37:33.000 He is getting worse, not better.
00:37:36.000 Okay, and Trump is going to be... Here's the thing.
00:37:39.000 This part doesn't hurt Trump, because these people are terrible, okay?
00:37:42.000 They're terrible.
00:37:43.000 He's speaking to Al Sharpton, who has started race riots, for God's sake.
00:37:47.000 He's speaking to a man who has called Jews diamond merchants.
00:37:50.000 Okay, who falsely smeared a white DA for not raping a black girl.
00:37:55.000 Right?
00:37:55.000 Al Sharpton's the one that Scarborough's talking to.
00:37:57.000 And here's Scarborough lecturing us all.
00:37:59.000 Here's Scarborough lecturing us all about how Donald Trump is unacceptable.
00:38:03.000 Okay, Donald Trump- Here's Joe Scarborough, April 1st.
00:38:07.000 Hat tip to Jim Garrity at National Review on this.
00:38:09.000 This is a quote from Joe Scarborough, April 1st.
00:38:12.000 You ready for this?
00:38:13.000 Here it is.
00:38:14.000 Joe Scarborough writes,
00:38:16.000 What is most astonishing is the rising level of rage among Trump's political enemies from inside the Republican establishment.
00:38:22.000 Many of my conservative friends are sounding as arrogant, as unmoored, as left-wing pundits let loose on MSNBC during the Bush years.
00:38:29.000 And then he says... And he basically comes out and endorses Trump, essentially.
00:38:34.000 And now he's saying, no, it's just terrible!
00:38:35.000 It's just terrible!
00:38:38.000 This is just to show that all these people are so dishonest it leaves room for Trump.
00:38:41.000 So, Trump has an opening.
00:38:43.000 He fills it with his own stupidity and racism.
00:38:46.000 And, again, I've been very cautious all the way through this election cycle.
00:38:49.000 I've always said that Donald Trump flirts with racists, but I've never called him a racist.
00:38:53.000 What he said here is a racist thing to say.
00:38:55.000 Okay?
00:38:55.000 It is.
00:38:56.000 That doesn't make it as bad as riots, by the way.
00:38:58.000 And here's the other point.
00:38:59.000 Here's the other point.
00:39:00.000 Donald Trump is the natural side effect.
00:39:04.000 They want to say that violence at Donald Trump rallies is the side effect of Trump.
00:39:07.000 Donald Trump is the natural side effect of a left that has generated race-based violence for my entire lifetime.
00:39:15.000 Donald Trump is just the reactionary side to that.
00:39:18.000 The left can be as racist as it wants to be, and if the right is racist like Trump, then it's the end of the world.
00:39:23.000 Then it's the end of the world, according to these folks.
00:39:27.000 Bernie Sanders tweeted out earlier today.
00:39:29.000 He tweeted out that he thinks that police forces should be diverse.
00:39:32.000 They reflect the communities they police.
00:39:34.000 What he means by that is only black people should police black communities.
00:39:37.000 That's racism, gang.
00:39:39.000 But the left completely ignores it.
00:39:40.000 The left completely ignores that they're talking to Al Sharpton, an actual racist.
00:39:44.000 They completely ignore that Barack Obama is a racist.
00:39:46.000 That Hillary Clinton says racist things.
00:39:48.000 They ignore all of this because they're on the left.
00:39:50.000 When it comes to Trump, then all of a sudden, it's the worst thing in the world.
00:39:53.000 In my view, it's the worst thing in the world all the way around.
00:39:57.000 Now, this is why I say the answer to the fascism of the left, the mobocracy fascism of the left, isn't to vote for somebody like Donald Trump, who has many of those same inclinations.
00:40:06.000 That's not the solution, and if you think you're saving the country from something worse by corrupting the only other party in America, that seems like a foolish hope to me.
00:40:14.000 I mean, Mitch McConnell was, he's forced on national TV to say, he's asked, should the party of Lincoln embrace racism?
00:40:21.000 And Mitch McConnell says the party of Lincoln needs to win.
00:40:24.000 And if that's what the party of Lincoln is, then it's not worth saving.
00:40:27.000 If the party of Lincoln is just the party of the Democrats, just a little bit less so, then what exactly are we fighting here?
00:40:34.000 So if all this is depressing, and if you're depressed by all of this, don't worry, I'm depressed by it too.
00:40:39.000 It's okay, we'll get through it together.
00:40:41.000 It is a very depressing news cycle.
00:40:44.000 And I'll talk a little bit tomorrow about where I think all of this is going.
00:40:48.000 Where it came from and where all of this is going.
00:40:50.000 First, some things I like, and then some things that I hate.
00:40:53.000 Okay, the things I like and the things I hate are related this week.
00:40:56.000 Muhammad Ali died over the weekend.
00:40:57.000 Muhammad Ali, of course, the greatest heavyweight champion of all time.
00:41:00.000 Some people say Rocky Marciano, but really, it's Ali.
00:41:03.000 Ali, every time he was beaten, he came back up and beat the person who he fought.
00:41:07.000 Everybody from Michael Spinks to Joe Frazier, an amazing boxer.
00:41:12.000 Most of his golden age of boxing was taken from him.
00:41:14.000 He lost three years of his boxing career because he was a conscientious objector to the Vietnam War.
00:41:19.000 He was a member of the evil and radical Nation of Islam, and he
00:41:24.000 And he applied for a conscientious objector status in the army after he was redrafted because he didn't like the Vietnam War.
00:41:33.000 And then they put him in jail and they banned him from boxing for three years.
00:41:37.000 The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that he had to be allowed to box again because conscientious objector is a fine status.
00:41:44.000 In any case, you can't argue with Ali as a boxer.
00:41:47.000 Ali as a boxer was tremendous, especially when he was young.
00:41:49.000 They used to say he moved like a lightweight.
00:41:51.000 Wasn't the heaviest puncher.
00:41:53.000 Moved like a lightweight.
00:41:54.000 Terrific jaw.
00:41:55.000 And probably that terrific jaw basically led to him getting Parkinson's in all likelihood because you step on your feet for 20 years getting hit in the face and that's going to have some tremendous health effects.
00:42:05.000 The problem I have with
00:42:07.000 The media coverage of Muhammad Ali is that Muhammad Ali was made into something more than just a tremendous sports figure.
00:42:13.000 And a transformational sports figure, because whether you like the trash talk or you don't like the trash talk, whether you like the spiked football in the end zone or you don't, whether you like the showmanship in sports or not, Ali was the foundation of that.
00:42:23.000 Ali was the showman.
00:42:24.000 That's what he did.
00:42:25.000 He's the one who's responsible for probably the direction of modern sport more than any other figure.
00:42:31.000 If that isn't enough, and it isn't for the media, they've turned him into a cultural figure as well.
00:42:35.000 They've tried to turn him into a political hero.
00:42:37.000 And this is where I object.
00:42:38.000 So, a couple of things that I like.
00:42:39.000 First of all, really, really good book called Ghosts of Manila by Mark Graham.
00:42:43.000 Really terrific book about the fight between Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier, and really traces Ali's entire life in this book, and it really is a terrific, terrific book.
00:42:53.000 Not very long, you can get it on Amazon.
00:42:55.000 Really is good.
00:42:55.000 They made a documentary, not really out of this book, but around the same subject matter called Thriller in Manila.
00:43:01.000 HBO did this documentary.
00:43:02.000 It was from the perspective, really, of Joe Frazier.
00:43:05.000 And it's worth mentioning here.
00:43:07.000 I'll go through some of the stuff about Muhammad Ali that's problematic in a second.
00:43:12.000 Here's the documentary.
00:43:14.000 You should check it out.
00:43:14.000 You can see it on YouTube.
00:43:15.000 Thriller in Manila.
00:43:20.000 All me shall fall when I get the gorilla in Manila!
00:43:30.000 The Thriller in Manila was among the greatest fights of all time.
00:43:33.000 It was the third and final confrontation between Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali.
00:43:43.000 Never again do we have two guys so important, so good fighting each other.
00:43:52.000 They weren't really fighting for the heavyweight championship of the world in Manila.
00:43:57.000 They were fighting for the heavyweight championship of each other.
00:44:04.000 These two men hated each other.
00:44:06.000 A personal hatred born out of the explosive racial politics of America in the 1970s.
00:44:15.000 When I get the gorilla in Manila.
00:44:17.000 I think God's gonna slap the hell out of him one of these days.
00:44:22.000 Years of animosity festered between these two heavyweight champions.
00:44:26.000 He works for the enemy.
00:44:28.000 In Manila, it took them to the brink.
00:44:32.000 Ali leaned down and he looked at us.
00:44:36.000 He said, that's the closest thing you will ever see to death.
00:44:41.000 The documentary is really good.
00:44:43.000 Really, really good.
00:44:44.000 It was made before, obviously, both of them were dead.
00:44:46.000 So Frazier passed away several years ago.
00:44:49.000 Ali, to trace his life a little bit, Ali was actually a racist for most of his, from the time he became Nation of Islam guy up till his transformation in the 1980s into kind of a softer side figure where he was all about charitable foundations and treating people well, excuse me.
00:45:06.000 Ali said some tremendously racist things.
00:45:09.000 The Nation of Islam is an evil organization.
00:45:11.000 It was an evil organization.
00:45:13.000 Louis Farrakhan, who leads it, is evil.
00:45:14.000 Elijah Muhammad, the guy who founded it, was an evil guy.
00:45:17.000 Malcolm X was sucked into its maw as well.
00:45:19.000 Malcolm X had a transformation and was murdered by the Nation of Islam in all likelihood.
00:45:23.000 Muhammad Ali said, at the time, integration is wrong.
00:45:26.000 He said, no intelligent black man or black woman in his or her right mind wants white boys and white girls coming to their homes to marry their black sons and daughters.
00:45:33.000 Muhammad Ali said, you got white racists who believe in separation, such as I believe.
00:45:37.000 He said, don't give us nothing.
00:45:38.000 Give us or repay us.
00:45:39.000 You got 50 states.
00:45:40.000 We make up 10% of the population.
00:45:41.000 Give us 10% of the land.
00:45:43.000 He said, we're not all brothers.
00:45:44.000 You can say we're brothers, but we're not.
00:45:46.000 I mean, this is bad stuff.
00:45:48.000 And Muhammad Ali, in Nation of Islam, they were involved in a lot of bad stuff.
00:45:52.000 Muhammad Ali particularly abused Joe Frazier.
00:45:55.000 I have a poster in my house of Joe Frazier knocking down Muhammad Ali in their first fight, signed by Joe Frazier.
00:46:00.000 One of the great punches of all time, Joe Frazier was about 5'11 and a lefty, and Muhammad Ali was about 6'3, I think.
00:46:06.000 A much bigger, much broader reach, and you can see it in that fight.
00:46:09.000 Frazier's a much smaller dude.
00:46:10.000 And Frazier, by the way, in that last fight, he was fighting him with one eye.
00:46:13.000 He was blind in one eye.
00:46:15.000 And fought him with one eye, and he hated him so much.
00:46:17.000 And the reason he hated him is because after Ali was banned from boxing for a few years, Frazier was now the champion.
00:46:23.000 And Ali comes back, and Frasier doesn't have to give him a title fight.
00:46:26.000 Frasier actually wrote letters to boards on behalf of Ali, saying, please readmit him.
00:46:30.000 He then gives him the title fight, and Ali proceeds to label him an Uncle Tom, pretend that Joe Frasier is in league with the white man, and it's worth noting, Joe Frasier grew up a lot poorer in Philadelphia than Muhammad Ali did, who grew up middle class in Louisville.
00:46:44.000 And he treated him like garbage.
00:46:45.000 You can see even in that preview,
00:46:48.000 Muhammad Ali calling Joe Frazier a gorilla, which is racist language.
00:46:51.000 He's a gorilla, right?
00:46:52.000 You call him the gorilla in the Thrilla in Manila.
00:46:54.000 Nasty, nasty stuff.
00:46:55.000 Here's Muhammad Ali doing that to Joe Frazier, just in stock footage.
00:46:58.000 This is, I think, around the time of the first fight.
00:47:02.000 I told you what I was going to do before I did it.
00:47:06.000 I told you I was going to jab him in the corners.
00:47:11.000 I was going to let him take all his shots.
00:47:15.000 I told you this is no skill.
00:47:17.000 I told you he don't hit hard.
00:47:20.000 I told you it would be a total mismatch.
00:47:22.000 George Fuller is still one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.
00:47:31.000 People want to see me and Joe Frazier.
00:47:39.000 They still think Joe Frazier can beat me.
00:47:42.000 They don't want to see me and Ken Norton.
00:47:45.000 They don't want to see me and George Foreman.
00:47:46.000 They want to see me and Joe Frazier, although George Foreman
00:47:59.000 Okay, so in any case, he really went after Frasier pretty hard.
00:48:07.000 And not only did he go after Frasier hard, to the end of his life, Joe Frasier hated Muhammad Ali with a passion.
00:48:12.000 He said, and we fought three times, and if you look at the record,
00:48:17.000 Ali won two of those fights, and if you look at Ali now, right, because he got Parkinson's, he was crippled, basically.
00:48:23.000 I won all three.
00:48:24.000 So, I mean, they really hated each other.
00:48:25.000 So it's a fascinating story, and I like, actually, when people die, I like painting a fuller picture of their life.
00:48:31.000 Ali did some really good things for sport, some really interesting things, made sport huge in the American scene.
00:48:36.000 He also did some really, really negative things for America.
00:48:40.000 And I'm glad that at the end of his life he sort of flipped around.
00:48:42.000 I sort of feel bad for Muhammad Ali just as a human being.
00:48:45.000 Muhammad Ali was 4F from the army originally when he was drafted because he had an IQ of 78.
00:48:50.000 Obviously wasn't a brilliant guy, was fed a lot of his lines by the Nation of Islam, was sucked into their maw, and mistreated a lot of people.
00:48:56.000 But I think by the end of his life he'd repented a lot of that.
00:48:59.000 And, uh, become a better person.
00:49:01.000 So, uh, that's- that's what I like and what I hate about Muhammad Ali.
00:49:04.000 Well, we'll see you tomorrow, and we will be back then with more analysis.
00:49:08.000 Tomorrow is the day of the California primaries, so we'll find out if Bernie is finally out, and what that means for the race.
00:49:13.000 I'm Ben Shapiro, this is The Ben Shapiro Show.