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00:00:00.000 On Wednesday, two delightful, peace-loving Palestinian Arabs dressed themselves as ultra-Orthodox diners and then shot up the Sarona Market in Tel Aviv.

00:00:09.000 Thirteen people were shot, four Israelis were murdered.

00:00:12.000 The two terrorists were captured.

00:00:13.000 Amir Ahana, who is a Knesset member and Israel Parliament member, described the scene.

00:00:17.000 He said,

00:00:24.000 This was a textbook terror attack.

00:00:26.000 Israel has weathered such attacks for decades, but small-scale attacks on soft targets have escalated dramatically in recent years, particularly by knife.

00:00:45.000 Israel released information about the terrorists.

00:00:46.000 They were both from a village near Hebron that's Hebron in Judea.

00:00:50.000 Both were in their 20s.

00:00:51.000 Both were celebrated by terrorist government Hamas, which runs the Gaza Strip and is a member of the coalition government in the so-called West Bank.

00:00:59.000 Hamas praised the attack.

00:01:00.000 Their spokesman said the shooting was, quote, the first of many surprises planned against Israel during Ramadan.

00:01:05.000 So, while Western governments continue to act with sensitivity regarding going after terrorists during Ramadan, terrorists don't really seem to care.

00:01:13.000 They're just happy to kill Jews.

00:01:15.000 The Palestinian Authority, meanwhile, blamed Israel for the terrorist attack.

00:01:18.000 They said, quote, achieving peace requires everyone to stop taking any action that will increase tensions and resorting to violence.

00:01:24.000 Palestinians, meanwhile, celebrated in the street, and they handed out candies.

00:01:29.000 Naturally, the UN Security Council, they did nothing because they only condemn Israel because they hate Jews.

00:01:34.000 This drove Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, Danny Danone, to blast the UN.

00:01:38.000 He said, But it won't be.

00:01:52.000 These are Jews.

00:01:53.000 So both the media and Western governments treated the attack as unrelated to the broader Muslim terror war on the West.

00:01:59.000 Here was CNN's original tweet on the attack.

00:02:01.000 This is their headline.

00:02:22.000 Well, yes.

00:02:23.000 Thanks for that!

00:02:24.000 Twelve hours later, CNN also had to issue a correction on their website.

00:02:28.000 There's a reason I labeled CNN Hamas's news network on CNN during the Gaza war.

00:02:33.000 Meanwhile, the State Department condemned the quote horrific terrorist attack in Tel Aviv, but continues to pressure Israel to make concessions to the terrorist government that celebrates and supports such attacks.

00:02:42.000 Just three days ago, the New York Times reported the State Department had given a grant to produce a Palestinian reality TV show, Your Money, in which three contestants run for the job of Palestinian president by promising to boycott Israel and designating East Jerusalem the capital of Palestine.

00:02:58.000 When two Muslims loosely affiliated with ISIS killed Americans in San Bernardino, the world rightly decried ISIS.

00:03:05.000 When Islamic terrorists murdered journalists in Paris, the hashtag Je suis Charlie trends.

00:03:10.000 Don't hold your breath for Ani Yehudi or Ani Yisraeli or I am a Jew.

00:03:14.000 Instead, just keep waiting for the West to call on Israel to make concessions to the terrorists who murder women and children in cafes.

00:03:20.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:03:21.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:03:24.000 ...tend to demonize people who don't care about your feelings.

00:03:29.000 Okay, so we have a lot to talk about, and we have the mailbag today.

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00:03:54.000 So quickly,

00:03:55.000 Before we begin with Hillary Clinton and the horrible interview that she did last night with Brett Baier on Fox News, I want to start with this piece by Jonathan Chait at New York Magazine.

00:04:03.000 So yesterday, I led off the show by talking about the rising tribalism in American politics.

00:04:08.000 I said that President Obama has basically

00:04:11.000 Relegated universal American values to a backseat.

00:04:14.000 He said that black people should vote for him because he's going to stand up for the blacks, and Hispanic people should vote for him because he's going to stand up for the Hispanics.

00:04:20.000 And so Donald Trump responds with, well I'll stand up for the white people, so the white people should follow me.

00:04:25.000 And so you end up with this racial tribalism that's been promoted by Obama.

00:04:28.000 Jonathan Chait doesn't like this.

00:04:30.000 Jonathan Chait at New York Magazine, he thinks I'm being unfair to Obama.

00:04:34.000 He says that I am emblematic of quote, the very white racial paranoia that enabled Trump to conquer the Republican party.

00:04:40.000 I gotta tell you folks, I'm getting kind of sick of being blamed for Donald Trump when I'm like the only person who doesn't like Donald Trump, right?

00:04:47.000 I'm the person who's standing here saying that Donald Trump is a crap show and Donald Trump is a problem.

00:04:51.000 I've got the Wall Street Journal blaming me on one end for Donald Trump and I got Jonathan Chait blaming me on the other end for Donald Trump.

00:04:57.000 It's been such a confusing year.

00:04:58.000 I mean, honest to God, I've got the KKK calling me a cuck.

00:05:02.000 For black people.

00:05:03.000 And I've got the Black Lives Matter movement calling me KKK.

00:05:06.000 I don't even know where I stand anymore.

00:05:07.000 I'm just standing here saying true things.

00:05:10.000 And apparently this is totally terrible.

00:05:12.000 Chait says that Obama isn't tribal.

00:05:14.000 So he writes this point.

00:05:14.000 He says, it's true.

00:05:15.000 And then I love this.

00:05:16.000 He actually just concedes the point in the first paragraph.

00:05:18.000 He says, it's true of course.

00:05:20.000 Democrats do appeal to different members of their coalition on the basis of their interests.

00:05:25.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:05:26.000 That's called tribalism.

00:05:27.000 So thanks for admitting my point.

00:05:29.000 And then he says,

00:05:42.000 Well, no, that sort of misses the point.

00:05:44.000 I don't have to believe that racism against white people is worse than racism against black people.

00:05:48.000 I just have to believe that racism against all people is wrong.

00:05:51.000 And therefore, if you say to black people, let's be racist against the white people, that's bad.

00:05:55.000 And when you say to white people, let's be racist against the black people, that's also bad.

00:05:59.000 Saying that you should be able to discriminate on the basis of race, because certain races are more victimized than other races,

00:06:05.000 I didn't say that tribalism is okay when it's justified by victimization.

00:06:09.000 I said tribalism is bad.

00:06:10.000 It's a bad thing.

00:06:11.000 It's a bad thing.

00:06:12.000 We'll get back to tribalism in a little while.

00:06:14.000 Okay, so Hillary Clinton has now started her general election campaign, and that means that unfortunately for her, she has to do interviews.

00:06:20.000 And doing interviews means occasionally she has to answer questions.

00:06:23.000 And answering questions means occasionally that she's going to say stupid things.

00:06:28.000 And by occasionally, I mean that these people

00:06:32.000 That there is absolutely no possibility of an indictment.

00:06:56.000 Has anybody from the DOJ talked to you or your representatives?

00:06:59.000 I will repeat what I said.

00:07:01.000 That is not going to happen.

00:07:02.000 There is no basis for it and I'm looking forward to this being wrapped up as soon as possible.

00:07:07.000 Has anybody from the FBI talked to you or your representatives?

00:07:11.000 Oh, I know that they've been interviewing a number of people, and I've told people to cooperate, and I'm looking forward to also participating.

00:07:19.000 I've offered to do so since last August.

00:07:22.000 Okay, she has not offered to do so since last August.

00:07:25.000 The Inspector General report openly says that she has refused to cooperate, and so have her aides.

00:07:29.000 So she's just lying straight out.

00:07:31.000 And Bret Baier sort of questions her on that.

00:07:33.000 Bret Baier says, well, no, that's not what the investigation says, actually.

00:07:39.000 And she says, you know what?

00:07:40.000 I'm sick answering these questions.

00:07:42.000 Nothing from this investigation is going to change anything.

00:07:46.000 Well, again, I'm not responding to any of the personal attacks that come from Donald Trump.

00:07:50.000 He did bring up the emails, though, again tonight.

00:07:53.000 He's going to in this general election.

00:07:54.000 You know that.

00:07:55.000 Can you assure the American people and the Bernie Sanders supporters who you now have to court that there isn't anything coming from this FBI investigation that's going to change the course of your campaign?

00:08:04.000 Absolutely.

00:08:06.000 You're confident?

00:08:06.000 Absolutely, yes.

00:08:08.000 Okay, so she says that nothing is going to change the face of her campaign, and this is the night of her winning the nomination.

00:08:14.000 This is actually a different interview.

00:08:16.000 Again, these are bad answers.

00:08:17.000 And you want to hear some more bad answers, here's Hillary Clinton rambling about the economy with Brett Baier.

00:08:21.000 He asks her, how's the economy going?

00:08:23.000 Not that well.

00:08:24.000 And she answers, no!

00:08:25.000 Everything's hunky-dory.

00:08:28.000 65% of Americans say the country's headed in the wrong direction.

00:08:31.000 So what specifically would you do differently with the economy than President Obama has done?

00:08:38.000 Well, I think that 76 months of job creation is a good start.

00:08:46.000 Well, it's just not different.

00:08:47.000 I mean, what specifically would you do differently than the Obama administration?

00:08:51.000 Right, right.

00:08:52.000 But I think what I want to establish is that we've gotten out of that deep ditch we were dropped into.

00:08:58.000 It took a while because it was a pretty severe recession and a lot of people haven't yet recovered to where they were before the recession.

00:09:07.000 That's why I said we need a big infrastructure plan.

00:09:09.000 I don't...

00:09:11.000 Understand why today's Republican Party in Congress opposes the kind of investments in infrastructure that we've been doing literally from the beginning of the Republic.

00:09:23.000 She's speaking gobbledygook, right?

00:09:24.000 I mean, none of this means anything.

00:09:27.000 She says the economy is going great guns, which everybody knows is false.

00:09:30.000 The unemployment rates are not what they say they are.

00:09:32.000 More people have dropped out of the workforce than at any time in the last 35 years.

00:09:36.000 And here she is trying to cobble together an economic plan that relies on building roads.

00:09:41.000 Sorry, gang, it turns out building roads is not gonna fix the economy.

00:09:43.000 It isn't.

00:09:44.000 Turns out the Soviet Union had plenty of roads.

00:09:46.000 Didn't fix their economy.

00:09:47.000 The economy is not fixed by building roads.

00:09:49.000 In fact, there's a good case to be made that if you want the road system to be fixed, you privatize a lot of the roads.

00:09:54.000 But Hillary Clinton has nothing to say here, and so she's just trotting out the same old crap.

00:09:59.000 And she does the same thing when she's asked about the Clinton Foundation.

00:10:01.000 So she's asked about the Clinton Foundation, you know, why is it that there's so much allegations, why are allegations of corruption flying around the Clinton Foundation?

00:10:09.000 She's asked this by Anderson Cooper.

00:10:12.000 Again, she's doing her media tour and she's looking absolutely terrible.

00:10:15.000 Asked by Wolf Husky, Anderson Cooper, about what happened to the Clinton Foundation.

00:10:21.000 If you're president, will your husband divest himself of any association with the foundation?

00:10:28.000 Well, Anderson, you know, we'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it, but let me just try to set the record straight.

00:10:34.000 We had absolutely overwhelming disclosure.

00:10:38.000 Were there, you know, one or two instances that slipped through the cracks?

00:10:42.000 Yes.

00:10:42.000 But was the overwhelming amount of anything that anybody gave the Foundation disclosed?

00:10:48.000 Absolutely.

00:10:49.000 And I'm proud of the Foundation.

00:10:51.000 I'm proud of the work that it has done.

00:10:53.000 I'm sure she is proud of it since it made her, it paid for those really nice jackets that she's wearing.

00:10:58.000 These $13,000 jackets that she's wearing that she stole off of Violet Beauregard from, from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

00:11:05.000 So she says that, don't worry, it sort of slipped through the cracks.

00:11:08.000 You know, stuff happens.

00:11:09.000 It slipped through the cracks.

00:11:10.000 And then she says, and then she says, oh, by the way, Bill may actually stay at the foundation.

00:11:14.000 If I'm elected president, Bill will stay at the foundation.

00:11:16.000 This is actually a major point that nobody is paying attention to.

00:11:19.000 When we talk about corruption in the political process, think about this.

00:11:21.000 Donald Trump has not said he will put his assets in a blind trust if he's president.

00:11:25.000 Hillary Clinton says Bill is going to continue to run the Clinton Foundation if she's president.

00:11:29.000 Okay, this is deeply corrupt stuff.

00:11:31.000 Think about it this way.

00:11:32.000 Donald Trump has a bunch of business interests, right?

00:11:34.000 And he can use the power of his office to impact his business interests.

00:11:38.000 This should be illegal.

00:11:39.000 It's not, right?

00:11:39.000 He could use the power of his office to impact his business interests.

00:11:42.000 In fact, he's already doing this as a candidate.

00:11:44.000 He's ripping judges in cases about his own assets.

00:11:48.000 As the presidential candidate.

00:11:49.000 Wait until he's president.

00:11:50.000 Hillary, same thing.

00:11:51.000 As Secretary of State, there's an inherent conflict of interest in the Clinton Foundation taking money from dictatorships while she was handing favors to those same dictatorships.

00:11:59.000 Now she wants to keep doing that as President of the United States.

00:12:02.000 Bill was running the Clinton Foundation when she was Secretary of State.

00:12:05.000 It was bad enough.

00:12:06.000 Now she's saying, even if I'm elected, Bill may stay at the foundation.

00:12:11.000 But some big donors clearly want the association with you or your husband that being linked to the foundation gives them.

00:12:16.000 As president, obviously it's vital that you or certainly your husband not appear to be in any way compromised.

00:12:22.000 So I guess, have you considered the idea of him stepping down?

00:12:27.000 Again, you know, I'm not going to consider anything until we see what the circumstances are, but let me just point out that people give lots of money to presidential campaigns, don't they?

00:12:40.000 They give lots of money to political parties as well.

00:12:45.000 So, you know, that is money that goes directly to support political activities of candidates.

00:12:53.000 Money that has been given to the foundation goes to support humanitarian work.

00:12:59.000 And if people want to influence anybody in office, I think they would choose the political route.

00:13:06.000 And indeed, the work of the foundation really speaks for itself.

00:13:10.000 Okay, name the work of the foundation.

00:13:12.000 Can anyone tell me what the foundation does?

00:13:14.000 Except make them rich.

00:13:15.000 And by the way, when she says, well, you know, people spend money on campaigns, I thought it was you and Bernie Sanders saying people shouldn't spend money on campaigns, right?

00:13:21.000 It's corrupt.

00:13:22.000 It's deeply corrupt if corporations give money to campaigns or if they start super PACs.

00:13:25.000 That's terrible.

00:13:26.000 So she's using that as an excuse to keep running the Clinton Foundation.

00:13:30.000 And by the way, it's less corrupt to give money to a campaign than it is to give money to the Clinton Foundation, because the Clinton Foundation can pay for her expenses.

00:13:37.000 The Clinton Foundation can pay for her husband's house.

00:13:39.000 And it's her husband's prostitutes.

00:13:41.000 Right?

00:13:42.000 The campaign can't pay for any of that stuff, presumably.

00:13:45.000 So, Hillary is a total crap show.

00:13:47.000 By the way, Obama has just come out and endorsed Hillary, of course.

00:13:49.000 And this just shows the corruption inside the Democratic Party.

00:13:51.000 I said yesterday, Democrats are way worse than Republicans.

00:13:55.000 Why?

00:13:55.000 Because Republicans look at Donald Trump, and half of us say, oh my god.

00:14:00.000 This is terrible.

00:14:01.000 Democrats look at Hillary and they go, yay!

00:14:03.000 She has a vagina!

00:14:04.000 Woo!

00:14:05.000 The President of the United States, who is in charge of the executive branch, part of which is currently investigating Hillary Clinton, came out and endorsed Hillary Clinton while she's under current FBI investigation.

00:14:17.000 Here's the difference between Republicans and Democrats.

00:14:19.000 And this is what's so galling.

00:14:20.000 This is why there are a lot of people who are saying, the Democrats are so terrible, I have to vote for Trump no matter how bad he is, just because the Democrats are so dishonest, they're so terrible, there's no such thing as a decent standard when the Democrats are playing.

00:14:34.000 Look at President Obama.

00:14:35.000 President Obama is on with Jimmy Fallon on NBC.

00:14:38.000 And this is the guy who says that it's terrible that we have a reality TV star running for President of the United States, the first reality TV star president, President Obama, on Jimmy Fallon last night.

00:14:49.000 And he says, yeah, I'm overjoyed that Donald Trump is their nominee.

00:14:52.000 Do you think the Republicans are happy with their choice?

00:14:57.000 We are, but I don't know how they're feeling.

00:15:04.000 We are.

00:15:04.000 We're very happy.

00:15:05.000 And the glib glee of that, right?

00:15:07.000 And he says he's happy with Hillary too.

00:15:09.000 He said that Hillary's the most qualified candidate who has ever run for president of the United States.

00:15:13.000 He said that today.

00:15:14.000 He said she's super duper qualified.

00:15:16.000 If by qualified you mean she should be in prison, he said, I don't think there's ever been anyone so qualified to hold this office.

00:15:22.000 Really?

00:15:22.000 No one?

00:15:23.000 No one in the history of the country?

00:15:24.000 Like George Washington?

00:15:25.000 Like maybe?

00:15:26.000 I don't know, Dwight Eisenhower?

00:15:28.000 Perhaps?

00:15:30.000 Never been anyone so qualified in the history of the United States?

00:15:34.000 Only if you're an idiot do you believe this.

00:15:35.000 I mean, you really have to be a stupid person to believe this in any way.

00:15:38.000 But President Obama believes that, and then he kind of sneers down his nose and he says he's worried about the Republican Party, to which the response of Republicans, typically, is go screw yourself.

00:15:47.000 Like, yeah, we nominated Donald Trump.

00:15:50.000 You nominated a felon.

00:15:51.000 At least we have the good grace to be embarrassed about who we nominated, some of us.

00:15:54.000 Here's Obama.

00:15:54.000 Actually, you know what?

00:16:01.000 That was too easy, but... The truth is, actually, I am worried about the Republican Party, and I know that sounds... You know what it sounds like.

00:16:15.000 You know what it sounds like.

00:16:16.000 He's worried about the Republican Party.

00:16:19.000 The idea that Obama is worried about them, he's worried about the Republican Party in the same sense that the Chisler son-in-law is deeply worried about the father-in-law dying and leaving all the money to him.

00:16:32.000 Okay, Obama's worried about the Republican Party that it may survive.

00:16:35.000 Obama wants to sneak in in the dead of night and stick a pillow over the Republican Party's face and just suffocate it out.

00:16:42.000 That's what Obama wants.

00:16:43.000 He's worried about the Republican Party.

00:16:45.000 And all of this is galling.

00:16:46.000 It's so galling.

00:16:47.000 And for Republicans, we look at this and we go,

00:16:50.000 At least we're intellectually honest.

00:16:51.000 At least we recognize that our guy has problems.

00:16:53.000 You won't even recognize that you have problems, that you are the problem.

00:16:56.000 You have no self-awareness.

00:16:57.000 There's not a mirror anywhere in the White House.

00:17:00.000 Here's President Obama last night.

00:17:01.000 He was slow jamming the news again.

00:17:03.000 Again, this is a guy who argues that he doesn't like reality TV candidates, and he's slow jamming the news with Jimmy Fallon, who's a sycophant.

00:17:24.000 On July 1st of this year, the interest rates on Stafford student loans, the same loans that many of you use to help pay for college, are set to double.

00:17:35.000 That means some hard-working students will be paying about $1,000 extra just to get their education.

00:17:42.000 So I've called on Congress to prevent this from happening.

00:17:45.000 What we've said is simple.

00:17:47.000 Now is not the time to make school more expensive for our young people.

00:18:02.000 Listen to the President.

00:18:05.000 Or as I like to call him, the Preezy of the United Steezy.

00:18:11.000 Things were heating up inside Congress' chambers behind all those closed doors.

00:18:17.000 So the President made a few discreet calls across the aisle.

00:18:20.000 He said, hey, let's get together, homie.

00:18:25.000 Without an affordable staff or loan, where can a student turn?

00:18:29.000 The Pell Grant is a beautiful thing, but with college getting more expensive, is it enough by itself to satisfy all your collegiate needs?

00:18:36.000 Aw, Pell no!

00:18:38.000 Aw, Pell no.

00:18:39.000 If Congress doesn't act, it's the students who play.

00:18:43.000 The right and left should join on this like Kim and Kanye.

00:18:51.000 I can't play this whole thing.

00:18:52.000 It's egregious.

00:18:53.000 But this is what the media have done with Obama for eight years, right?

00:18:55.000 Eight years of this.

00:18:57.000 What he's saying about Pell loans and staffer grants, there are too many people in college anyway, they're majoring in stupid crap, okay?

00:19:03.000 But this is the point.

00:19:04.000 The media treats Obama this way, and this is how they're gonna treat Hillary Clinton too.

00:19:08.000 And it's galling to everybody.

00:19:09.000 And so the reaction, the natural reaction, I understand it, the natural reaction is Trump, right?

00:19:14.000 Trump, because Trump's just a giant pulsating middle finger, as Kevin Williamson has said.

00:19:17.000 This is exactly correct.

00:19:19.000 And you can see the anti-Trump press, they were holding back.

00:19:21.000 Now, I wanna point something out here.

00:19:24.000 Donald Trump made his first comments about Mexican judges back in February.

00:19:28.000 Did you hear anything about it at the time?

00:19:30.000 Anything?

00:19:30.000 No?

00:19:31.000 That's because the media didn't want to talk about it.

00:19:33.000 The media wanted him to be the nominee.

00:19:34.000 The media ignored all the bad things about Donald Trump because they wanted to play him up.

00:19:39.000 They wanted to give him media attention.

00:19:41.000 He was a great story.

00:19:42.000 They didn't want to hit him with the wave.

00:19:43.000 And make no mistake, the media do have the capacity to put together a wave.

00:19:47.000 I know because I've been on the other side of a wave like this.

00:19:49.000 So a few years back I did a debate with with Piers Morgan on gun control and it's gone viral.

00:19:54.000 A lot of people have seen it.

00:19:55.000 Millions of people.

00:19:57.000 Excuse me.

00:19:57.000 And one of the things that happened after that is that the media decided, a lot of folks in the media, clearly decided that I was a little bit of a threat and so they were going to look for an excuse to sort of take me out.

00:20:07.000 So a few weeks later there was a big

00:20:10.000 There's a big hubbub over Charles Hager, over Chuck Hagel.

00:20:13.000 Chuck Hagel was being nominated for Secretary of Defense by Obama.

00:20:16.000 Chuck Hagel is wildly anti-Israel.

00:20:18.000 So, I got a call from a source, a very highly placed source in Congress, that Chuck Hagel had spoken to a group called Friends of Hamas.

00:20:27.000 Okay, I didn't double source the piece, and so I ran it as a rumor, right?

00:20:32.000 This was a deliberate decision.

00:20:33.000 We ran it as a rumor at Breitbart.

00:20:34.000 We said, there's a rumor floating around Capitol Hill that Chuck Hagel, who has not released the people that he's spoken to, that he spoke to a group called Friends of Hamas.

00:20:42.000 We ran it as a rumor.

00:20:43.000 Turns out that in all likelihood, that rumor wasn't true.

00:20:46.000 I wanted to run a retraction.

00:20:47.000 Some other folks who were above me in the editorial chain did not.

00:20:50.000 In any case, we ran the rumor as a rumor.

00:20:54.000 And the rumor turned out not to be true.

00:20:55.000 And not that big a deal happens in the media on a pretty frequent basis.

00:20:58.000 People report a rumor, the rumor turns out not to be true, and everybody moves on with their life.

00:21:03.000 I wake up the next morning, and it is legitimately the lead on Huffington Post.

00:21:07.000 It's the lead on Huffington Post.

00:21:08.000 It's all a hoax.

00:21:09.000 It's all fraud.

00:21:10.000 It's a hoax.

00:21:11.000 They ignore the fact that I reported it as a rumor and basically say in the piece, it may be true, it may not be true, it's just a rumor.

00:21:17.000 Right?

00:21:17.000 They ignore all of that, and they just immediately go to, well, it must have been a hoax, and I'm getting calls from MSNBC, and I'm getting calls from the New York Times, I'm getting calls from everybody.

00:21:27.000 On what is legitimately not a big story.

00:21:29.000 Right?

00:21:29.000 And I say, look, I've reported all the information I had, I said it was a rumor, that's all I can say about it, I can't verify it, because I didn't verify it, which is why I reported it as a rumor.

00:21:37.000 The reason I tell this story

00:21:39.000 And by the way, I wish I'd never run that story.

00:21:41.000 The reason that I tell that story, aside from saying everybody makes mistakes in this business, the real reason I'm saying that is because there is a moment where, if you've ever, there's a movie with George Hamilton called The Last Wave, and at the very end of the movie, George Hamilton walks out onto a beach, and it looks like Deep Impact.

00:21:57.000 All of a sudden, there's a wave coming at him that's a thousand feet high.

00:22:00.000 He's just standing on the beach, and the wave's coming at him.

00:22:02.000 That's the end of the film.

00:22:04.000 The left is capable of creating those sorts of waves.

00:22:06.000 And they're doing this right now.

00:22:07.000 They're doing this right now.

00:22:08.000 And the wave is going to be a pro-Hillary, anti-Trump wave.

00:22:11.000 And so for all this time, we've been saying, oh, Trump can fight back against the waves.

00:22:14.000 He can stand there and he can rage against the sea.

00:22:16.000 He can stop the tide from coming in.

00:22:18.000 When the media decide they're on the same page, they're on the same page.

00:22:22.000 They're on the same page.

00:22:23.000 That doesn't mean they can't laugh at Hillary every so often, but it's not real.

00:22:26.000 So, you know, you'll have Chris Matthews every so often laugh at Hillary Clinton over on MSNBC.

00:22:31.000 Gonna laugh at Hillary.

00:22:33.000 She's terrible.

00:22:34.000 Oh my God.

00:22:35.000 Go Hillary Clinton.

00:22:36.000 I gotta throw up my leg, but still, it's not the greatest throw.

00:22:39.000 Lester Holt asked Hillary Clinton, what kind of a campaign are you going to run?

00:22:42.000 Is it going to be a campaign of matching insults?

00:22:44.000 She said, no insults, just the issues.

00:22:46.000 The two issues being, quote, the fact that Donald Trump is unqualified to be President of the United States and he's temperamentally unfit.

00:22:53.000 These are the issues.

00:22:54.000 But she's not talking insults.

00:22:57.000 Okay, so he's laughing at Hillary Clinton that she's insulting Donald Trump, but then he proceeds to insult Donald Trump, right?

00:23:02.000 He says that Donald Trump is a textbook racist.

00:23:05.000 This is going to be the wave that comes against Donald Trump.

00:23:08.000 Here's Matthews again.

00:23:09.000 He defines racism here.

00:23:12.000 The United States doesn't have clean hands when it comes to racial problems or racial attitudes or racism itself.

00:23:16.000 We know when you have slavery for 250 years, that's racism.

00:23:19.000 It just is.

00:23:20.000 It's domination by white people of another group.

00:23:23.000 Okay, and he's trying to link that to Trump.

00:23:25.000 And thank you for that definition of racism, Chris Matthews.

00:23:27.000 Yeah, well, when people hold slaves, they're black.

00:23:29.000 I can tell you that's racist.

00:23:30.000 You can argue with me.

00:23:31.000 I'm going to tell you that's racist.

00:23:32.000 You can't hold black people as slaves.

00:23:33.000 That's racist.

00:23:34.000 You know what else is racist?

00:23:35.000 Killing black people because they're black.

00:23:36.000 That's racist.

00:23:38.000 So the media are coming for Donald Trump.

00:23:41.000 Andrea Mitchell doing the same thing.

00:23:43.000 She says President Obama is going to jump in.

00:23:44.000 He's going to jump in on Hillary's side.

00:23:46.000 He's going to make sure Hillary wins.

00:23:48.000 With that big win now in California, Hillary Clinton has her best argument for persuading Bernie Sanders to concede.

00:23:54.000 Exactly eight years after Clinton's painful loss to Barack Obama.

00:23:59.000 Now President Obama is ready to go all in to make sure that Clinton can succeed him in the Oval Office.

00:24:05.000 And they're so excited.

00:24:06.000 Andrea Mitchell is so excited.

00:24:07.000 She couldn't be more excited.

00:24:07.000 Lester Holt on NBC.

00:24:09.000 He's also super duper excited.

00:24:11.000 He's asking Hillary Clinton deep questions.

00:24:13.000 Hard questions.

00:24:13.000 Here's a hard question from Lester Holt to Hillary Clinton.

00:24:16.000 Is this going to be the nastiest campaign ever?

00:24:19.000 Will you respond?

00:24:21.000 Insult to insult?

00:24:22.000 No, absolutely not.

00:24:24.000 He can run a campaign of insults.

00:24:26.000 I'm running a campaign of issues that are going to produce results for the American people.

00:24:30.000 I'm going to talk about why he's unqualified to be president based on his own words and his deeds.

00:24:37.000 And I'm going to continue to make the case he is temperamentally unfit to be commander-in-chief.

00:24:43.000 So that is funny.

00:24:44.000 That's the clip that Matthews was referring to earlier.

00:24:47.000 She said, I'm not going to hit him with insults.

00:24:49.000 He's unqualified and unfit.

00:24:51.000 But the question is really what I'm focused on there.

00:24:53.000 Because she's bad at this.

00:24:54.000 We know she's bad at this.

00:24:55.000 But Lester Holt, so are you going to be mean like Donald Trump?

00:24:58.000 Donald Trump's mean.

00:24:59.000 Are you going to be mean and terrible like Donald Trump?

00:25:02.000 Are you going to be evil and horrible and ugly and stupid like Donald Trump?

00:25:06.000 These are the kinds of questions Hillary's going to feel this entire election cycle.

00:25:09.000 And you can see it happening from even the people who are supposedly Trump's friends.

00:25:13.000 Right, so Joe Scarborough, we played him yesterday, and I made an obscene gesture at Joe Scarborough on camera yesterday.

00:25:19.000 Joe Scarborough, he said months ago, it's impossible, you can't call Trump Mussolini or Hitler, don't call him any of these things, come on, he's just Donald Trump, you can't call him any of those things.

00:25:30.000 Here is what Joe Scarborough said today, today, about Donald Trump.

00:25:36.000 When you're talking about banning over 1.4, 1.5 billion people simply because of the God they worship?

00:25:42.000 Yeah.

00:25:43.000 That is as un-American as anything he's ever said, as un-American as what he's said about this judge.

00:25:49.000 And I'm with you, Willie.

00:25:50.000 Where was the outrage then?

00:25:52.000 Like we said on this show, asking the question when this first came out, is this what Germany looked like in 1933?

00:25:58.000 That's every bit as offensive, but why not the outrage from the right, the center, the left?

00:26:05.000 Okay.

00:26:06.000 And so I guess his opinion has shifted.

00:26:08.000 You couldn't call him Mussolini or Hitler before, but now it's like 1933 and Hitler.

00:26:12.000 Amazing how he shifted that quickly.

00:26:14.000 As soon as Hillary's the nominee, boom, right?

00:26:16.000 Then Trump's Hitler again.

00:26:17.000 Amazing how that works.

00:26:18.000 Meanwhile, the reaction on the right has been exactly what I thought it would be.

00:26:21.000 Everybody is now degrading into the worst of themselves.

00:26:23.000 You've got the people on the left degrading into full-on Hillary fandom.

00:26:27.000 We're gonna cheer her forward.

00:26:29.000 We're gonna carry her forward on a platform with a chair on top like Milo Yiannopoulos with a bunch of idiot college students.

00:26:35.000 And on the right, you've got

00:26:38.000 On the right, you've got people like Laura Ingraham, and their response is, no matter what Trump says, it's just fabulous.

00:26:44.000 No matter what Trump says, it's just the greatest thing in the world.

00:26:47.000 So Laura Ingraham, who in this clip looks like sort of the Funhaus mirror version of Hillary Clinton, because they're wearing exactly the same top.

00:26:54.000 But here is Laura Ingraham saying something very special about Donald Trump.

00:26:59.000 She's a talented person.

00:27:00.000 She's very smart.

00:27:01.000 But Trump has the magic sauce.

00:27:04.000 He just has to sprinkle it on the issues and then he has to serve it up in a very pleasing, interesting, and sometimes provocative and entertaining way.

00:27:11.000 People want to go to rallies and have a good time.

00:27:13.000 They want to feel like there's a champion for them.

00:27:16.000 He began to do that last night in a much more, I think, organized fashion, which is what was needed for some time.

00:27:22.000 I for one think it was a very good first step.

00:27:24.000 Okay, so he's got the magic sauce, which is just a horrifying image.

00:27:28.000 Nobody wants to, nobody wants to, to consume Donald Trump's magic sauce.

00:27:32.000 That is, that is horrifying in every way, Laura Ingraham.

00:27:34.000 Thank you so much for that imagery.

00:27:35.000 By the way, that wasn't the worst imagery of the day.

00:27:37.000 Worst imagery of the day was Joy Behar.

00:27:39.000 Joy Behar tweeted today that while she is sexually, she literally tweeted this, while I'm sexually attracted to Bernie Sanders, even I want him to pull out.

00:27:48.000 She actually tweeted that.

00:27:49.000 Yep.

00:27:50.000 Joy Behar, providing imagery that nobody ever wanted to think about.

00:27:54.000 She is a joy and a wonder.

00:27:55.000 So, what you're seeing is that on the left, everybody's degrading into Hillary phantom.

00:27:59.000 Cheer for the felon.

00:28:01.000 And on the right, you see people saying, everything that Trump says is fine.

00:28:04.000 And Danny, I'm seeing people this week, like now there are a bunch of people on the right, and you knew it was going to happen, who are saying, what Trump said about the Mexican judge isn't that bad.

00:28:11.000 I mean, it's not that bad, right?

00:28:12.000 I mean, come on, it's not that bad.

00:28:14.000 I mean, the left says stuff like that all the time.

00:28:15.000 Yes, the left does say stuff like that all the time, and it's bad when they do it.

00:28:19.000 But it's turned into, no, no, no, if the left says it, it's not that bad.

00:28:21.000 I mean, Trump's doing it, it's not that bad.

00:28:23.000 The difference, again, between right and left is that on the right, there are a bunch of people who say, Trump is still unacceptable to us.

00:28:29.000 We don't like him, and we think on principle that he's somebody we can't support.

00:28:32.000 Ted Cruz was asked about supporting Donald Trump, and there's one funny story about this.

00:28:37.000 Apparently, he was asked this as he was getting on an elevator.

00:28:40.000 And then the reporter said that Cruz just kind of turned around and looked quizzically at them as the door slowly closed in front of him.

00:28:49.000 Which just reminds me of that GIF from The Simpsons where Homer slowly backs into the bush away from the question.

00:28:54.000 In any case, here is Cruz saying that he's not going to support Donald Trump, probably.

00:28:59.000 As I said before, I am looking and listening and watching the candidates.

00:29:04.000 I'm doing the same thing millions of voters are doing.

00:29:07.000 And time will tell.

00:29:11.000 And by time we'll tell that means no.

00:29:12.000 That's a big no.

00:29:13.000 Jeff Flake, congressman from Arizona, he also says that Trump isn't going to be able to win like this and he can't back Trump either.

00:29:20.000 I can tell you we won't have any Republican in the White House that takes these kind of positions and makes these kind of statements.

00:29:27.000 So it's kind of a moot point whether you'll have a Trump presidency because he won't be in the White House if he continues to make these kind of statements.

00:29:33.000 Well you said something along those lines to reporters on Capitol Hill yesterday.

00:29:37.000 You said Donald Trump cannot win the White House.

00:29:40.000 With all due respect, he defeated 16 other Republican candidates, some of them very impressive.

00:29:45.000 He's won more Republican primary votes than any other Republican candidate ever.

00:29:49.000 Why can't he win the White House?

00:29:51.000 There's a big difference between winning a primary and winning a general.

00:29:54.000 And you can take extreme positions in a primary and win a primary.

00:29:58.000 Uh, but try translating that into a general election win, and you just can't.

00:30:02.000 Okay, so Jeff Flake says he can't get behind Trump either.

00:30:05.000 John Kasich is now saying he may not support Trump.

00:30:07.000 This is a guy who everybody assumed, you know, the man who looks like his face went through the washing machine a few times in your pocket.

00:30:13.000 John Kasich said that he can't, you know, everybody assumed the only reason that John Kasich

00:30:19.000 Will you support Donald Trump for president?

00:30:20.000 Hard to say.

00:30:21.000 You know, if you look at Twitter, they have this thing called trending.

00:30:22.000 It's trending poorly.

00:30:23.000 Yeah, I mean, look, I...

00:30:48.000 I have a completely different message.

00:30:52.000 Mr. Trump called me and he said, what are you going to do to support me?

00:30:55.000 I said, we're like two companies.

00:30:57.000 We have a different vision, a different value system, and a different objective.

00:31:01.000 You are the host governor for the convention that comes to Ohio in 40 days.

00:31:10.000 Are you saying it's possible you can walk into that arena in Cleveland, Ohio and not endorse?

00:31:15.000 Absolutely.

00:31:17.000 Of course.

00:31:18.000 Look, I've been this way since I was in politics.

00:31:21.000 I kind of call him the way I see him, and never more than today does a country need to be unified.

00:31:28.000 You don't even sound like you're on the fence.

00:31:30.000 No, I'm giving him a chance.

00:31:32.000 You are?

00:31:33.000 It doesn't sound like it.

00:31:35.000 He's trending the wrong way with me.

00:31:37.000 He's trending the wrong way.

00:31:38.000 First of all, I like that he doesn't understand how trending topics work on Twitter.

00:31:41.000 You can't trend poorly.

00:31:43.000 You just trend, right?

00:31:43.000 I mean, you either trend or you don't.

00:31:44.000 But in any case, John Kasich is not on the Trump bandwagon.

00:31:47.000 By the way, our managing editor, Jeremy Boring, makes the suggestion that if Hillary wants to win the presidency outright, all she has to do is pick Kasich for her VP, do a unity ticket, take some of these wavering, kind of soft, soft Republicans away from Trump, and he's finished.

00:32:02.000 And I think that's probably true.

00:32:04.000 In any case, what's happened, and this is a problem also for the Republicans, is that there are two types of people who are backing away from Trump.

00:32:10.000 There are the people like Kasich, who are liberal Republicans who just don't like how Trump talks, and then there are people like me.

00:32:16.000 I don't like how Trump talks, and I don't like anything that Trump has to say on policy, so I don't like either of those two things.

00:32:21.000 I don't think it's worthwhile to put those two together, but I think it is worthwhile to point out Democrats are happy to centralize around Hillary.

00:32:28.000 And Republicans want- I know there's a desperate desire for all of us to jump on the Trump train just so that we can fight with these people.

00:32:33.000 I get it.

00:32:34.000 I totally get it.

00:32:35.000 I'm- I have the same gut reaction that you do.

00:32:38.000 I look at- I look at Obama just grinning it up on Fallon, and I look at Hillary lying it up all over the TV news, and I think, God, bless America.

00:32:47.000 I really want to find somebody who can pummel these people.

00:32:51.000 And the problem is Trump makes it almost impossible to do that.

00:32:54.000 He just makes it almost impossible to do that.

00:32:56.000 Okay, time for some things I like, and then a thing I hate, and then some mailbag.

00:33:00.000 So, things I like.

00:33:01.000 So we're doing sports books and movies this week.

00:33:03.000 So there's a great book called Emperors and Idiots by Mike Vaccaro.

00:33:06.000 I am a White Sox fan in baseball, but I'm secondarily a Red Sox fan.

00:33:10.000 I grew up liking both teams, but White Sox much more.

00:33:13.000 And this book, Emperors and Idiots, is maybe the best baseball book ever written.

00:33:16.000 It's about the rivalry between the Yankees and the Red Sox from the beginning to the end of the curse, and it's terrific.

00:33:23.000 It's a really good, fun book to read, really juicy and interesting, and captures the entire fight.

00:33:28.000 It's great.

00:33:28.000 Emperors and Idiots by Mike Vaccaro.

00:33:30.000 Okay.

00:33:31.000 We're also going to do a sports clip.

00:33:33.000 So the best sports clip of the week was actually not in sport.

00:33:38.000 It was before a game.

00:33:40.000 I don't know who teaches rappers to throw baseballs, but the answer has got to be nobody, right?

00:33:46.000 Because Snoop Dogg threw out the first pitch in a San Diego Padres game.

00:33:49.000 And here is what it looks like when Snoop Dogg, whose son is apparently a good athlete, here's what it looks like when Snoop Dogg tries to throw out a first pitch in a ballgame.

00:33:58.000 A featured guest today is one of my personal favorites, Snoop Dogg, who threw out the ceremonial first pitch.

00:34:07.000 And this is our cricket wireless something to smile about.

00:34:14.000 Camera operator in harm's way over there.

00:34:18.000 So first of all, I like the super white guy saying that Snoop Dogg is one of his personal favorites.

00:34:21.000 That's really fun.

00:34:23.000 But Snoop, for those who can't see it,

00:34:24.000 He flings the ball and he misses everything.

00:34:26.000 I mean, he misses the catcher, he misses the batter's box, he misses the plate, he misses the stadium.

00:34:31.000 I mean, he almost knocks a plane out of the sky.

00:34:34.000 So there's a whole compilation of the worst first pitches now.

00:34:38.000 And honestly, one of them has to be President Obama.

00:34:40.000 I'm not sure who's teaching these people to throw, but it's nobody who knows how to throw a baseball.

00:34:45.000 Okay, other things that I like in the world of just pop culture.

00:34:51.000 There's a 12-year-old dance contestant who was on a show with Paula Abdul on So You Think You Can Dance, and things went wildly wrong in this particular clip.

00:35:13.000 Okay, it's a little girl dancing and they all say that they want to give her a ticket to LA or whatever this is.

00:35:19.000 And here's where it gets dicey.

00:35:22.000 Are you okay, honey?

00:35:23.000 Okay, okay.

00:35:26.000 And she up-chucks all over Paula Abdul.

00:35:31.000 She loses her lunch all over Paula Abdul.

00:35:35.000 I've never had anyone just vomit on me like that.

00:35:41.000 And she's happy again.

00:35:42.000 She's happy again.

00:35:44.000 Which I guess if she wants to be a professional dancer, it's good experience for being a bulimic.

00:35:49.000 But in any case, she vomits all over Paula Abdul.

00:35:53.000 And anybody who vomits all over Paula Abdul is my new personal hero.

00:35:57.000 So this girl is now one of my personal heroes.

00:36:00.000 So good for her.

00:36:01.000 Uh, the dancing was alright, but the vomiting was first-rate.

00:36:04.000 So, well done there.

00:36:05.000 Okay.

00:36:06.000 From the ridiculous to the sublime, okay, we're gonna start doing Bible verse of the week, because I'm big into the Bible.

00:36:10.000 I'm a fan of the Bible, as you may know.

00:36:12.000 So, this week, Miathas was joking because I pulled a verse from Numbers.

00:36:17.000 Right, which actually is weird that it's called Numbers because it's... it's... Bamidbar, which means in the desert.

00:36:23.000 The book is called Bamidbar in Hebrew, in the desert, but it's called Numbers in English because the entire book is just a bunch of counting, right?

00:36:29.000 They keep counting the Jewish people over and over and over again, they're counting the tribes, they're counting coins, they're counting everything, so...

00:36:35.000 At the very beginning, it says in Hebrew, It says in Hebrew, Right, it says,

00:36:54.000 And then it says that you should, for everybody who's 20 years old and up, anybody who's fit to go out to the army, you count them by their legions, you and Aaron.

00:37:02.000 Okay, so, the reason that I picked this verse, or these two verses, is because in Judaism, in Orthodox Judaism, and in Judaism, because I don't recognize other forms of Judaism other than ones that believe that the Bible is true,

00:37:13.000 In Judaism, every week, we read a section of the Bible.

00:37:16.000 So, once a year, we go through the entire five books of Moses.

00:37:20.000 So, this week's portion is the beginning of numbers.

00:37:23.000 So, this is why I'm taking this verse.

00:37:24.000 So, the reason I picked this verse is because I think it's important to note here that God orders Aaron and Moses that they're supposed to count the congregation of the children of Israel by the families following their father's houses.

00:37:38.000 So, there are a couple of things to note about this.

00:37:40.000 Number one, the concept of patrilineal lineage in Judaism is an interesting one, because matrilineal lineage, the idea that if you're Jewish, you're Jewish if your mom is Jewish, that only comes about later, really.

00:37:51.000 It comes about in the time of Ezra, 1,000 years, 1,500 years after the advent of the Torah, but...

00:37:56.000 The idea here is that your father is what defines the house.

00:37:59.000 In a culture now, where fathers don't define our houses, where fathers are considered completely irrelevant to the house, where fathers are booted because women need a man like a fish needs a bicycle, the reality is that we are all counted in the end by our father's house because we carry down the values of our fathers generation to generation.

00:38:15.000 That's point number one.

00:38:16.000 Point number two is back to the tribalism point that I made at the very beginning of this show and yesterday's show, and that is

00:38:23.000 One of the most dangerous aspects of humanity is our tendency to fall into tribes, right?

00:38:28.000 And they're counted by tribe in numbers.

00:38:29.000 We're counted by tribe.

00:38:31.000 The Jews are counted by the tribe of Judah, and they're by the tribe of Benjamin, and by the tribe of Don, and by the tribe of Asher, right?

00:38:36.000 They're all counted by tribe.

00:38:37.000 And so you might ask, well, why is God forwarding that?

00:38:39.000 Why count them as members of tribes?

00:38:41.000 And the answer is God recognizes that we're tribal.

00:38:43.000 God knows us.

00:38:44.000 He created us.

00:38:45.000 God knows we're tribal.

00:38:46.000 God knows that we have greater allegiance to our own families than we do to other people.

00:38:50.000 But God then says that what makes you fit to be counted is not your membership in a tribe.

00:38:56.000 What makes you fit to be counted is your membership in the army of Israel.

00:39:00.000 What makes you fit to be counted is the fact that you are an advocate in favor of something broader.

00:39:06.000 So I'm very often accused by alt-right anti-Semites, very often, well, you say that you're against racism, and you say that you're against xenophobia, and you say that you're against tribalism, and yet you're in favor of a Jewish state and Jewish exceptionalism.

00:39:18.000 Okay, I don't believe in Jewish ethnicism.

00:39:21.000 Okay, I don't care.

00:39:22.000 That Sandy Koufax is Jewish.

00:39:23.000 It makes no difference to me that Sandy Koufax is Jewish.

00:39:26.000 I care about the ideas of Judaism in the same way that I don't care that Noam Chomsky is Jewish or American.

00:39:31.000 He doesn't represent any of my ideas.

00:39:33.000 I hold nothing in common with Noam Chomsky.

00:39:35.000 The same is true in Judaism.

00:39:36.000 God is saying here, God is saying here pretty explicitly

00:39:39.000 That you're counted by tribe because that's how we count ourselves, but what makes you fit to be counted in front of God is your membership in a philosophical system that God cares about.

00:39:49.000 That's what God cares about.

00:39:50.000 God cares about what you believe.

00:39:52.000 God cares about your relationship with Him and the community's relationship with Him.

00:39:56.000 He cares a lot less about the family that you belong to.

00:39:58.000 He's going to recognize that you put stock in that.

00:40:01.000 But he's not going to count that as the ultimate membership in the congregation of Israel.

00:40:04.000 Ultimate membership in the congregation of Israel means, what are you willing to fight for?

00:40:08.000 And it better not just be your tribe.

00:40:10.000 And in fact, throughout the Torah, there are situations where if your loyalty to tribe is greater than your loyalty to Israel, you have a major problem on your hands.

00:40:19.000 And this happens with the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh later in the Torah, later in the Bible.

00:40:24.000 There's a point at which Ephraim and Manasseh don't want to cross over.

00:40:28.000 They don't want to cross over the Jordan River and fight on the other side of the Jordan River.

00:40:32.000 And the deal that Moses makes with them, and the deal that Joshua makes with them, is if you join us and fight for the liberation of Israel, then you can go back across the Jordan.

00:40:40.000 But if you're going to just stay across the side of the Jordan, we're not going to help you at all.

00:40:43.000 Right, you're part of the broader group, and the broader group is united by this document that we brought down from Moses on Sinai.

00:40:49.000 So that's the Bible verse of the week.

00:40:52.000 Okay, time for... Should we do a... Okay, we have time for a thing I hate.

00:40:55.000 So, a thing I hate... The Democrats keep claiming over and over and over they don't want to take away your guns.

00:41:00.000 Okay, first of all, there was a Ninth Circuit ruling today that says there is no personal right to concealed carry.

00:41:05.000 Not just keeping the guns out of the hands of mentally ill people and criminals.

00:41:35.000 But I really don't personally think anyone should have a gun.

00:41:40.000 I mean, that's just my own philosophy.

00:41:46.000 Nothing is ever solved when you have a gun in your hand, except the worst possible scenario.

00:41:57.000 Nothing is ever solved when you have a gun in your hand?

00:41:59.000 How about, like, when bad guys are coming?

00:42:01.000 Right?

00:42:01.000 How about that?

00:42:02.000 That solves.

00:42:02.000 You know?

00:42:03.000 Nothing is ever solved?

00:42:04.000 How about Nazism?

00:42:05.000 That was solved by having guns in our hands.

00:42:07.000 So was Communism, it turns out.

00:42:08.000 So are most of the world's evils.

00:42:10.000 So this whole thing is Nazism.

00:42:12.000 But this is what Democrats actually think.

00:42:13.000 At least she's honest.

00:42:14.000 At least she says what she thinks.

00:42:15.000 Okay.

00:42:16.000 Time for the mailbag.

00:42:17.000 So again, folks, you have to subscribe to DailyWire.com if you want to be part of the vaunted Ben Shapiro Show mailbag.

00:42:22.000 Before I forget, just because I know I will, why don't we start with the video question?

00:42:25.000 This is actually about a week old, but...

00:42:27.000 You can submit video questions via dailywire.com.

00:42:29.000 Also, all you have to do is post your question on YouTube and then send us the link as a member and we'll grab it and we'll use it video questions.

00:42:35.000 So here's a video question from Kelly.

00:42:39.000 Hi, Ben.

00:42:40.000 One of the theories I have comforted myself with over the course of this election cycle has been Mark Stein's idea that due to Donald Trump's unpopularity with members of Congress, they will be more incentivized to assert their constitutional powers against him.

00:42:56.000 Do you think that this is a viable theory, or do you think that they will just continue to roll over and play dead for President Trump, as they have with Obama, and certainly will with Hillary?

00:43:05.000 Okay, so I think they're more likely to roll over and play dead with Trump than they would with Obama or Hillary.

00:43:10.000 Because it's harder to buck a member of your own party than it is to fight somebody of the opposite party.

00:43:17.000 The idea that Republicans haven't fought Obama is not really true.

00:43:20.000 They haven't fought him hard enough, I don't believe, but they fought him.

00:43:22.000 I mean, the fact is that he wanted a bigger budget than they gave him.

00:43:25.000 He wanted to expand spending further than they allowed him to.

00:43:30.000 The only reason for any economic growth at all has been that Republicans have stopped Obama from doing his world-beating routine the last four years the way that he did the first couple of years.

00:43:39.000 So, I don't think that's fully, but I think Republicans will play dead with Trump because they're playing dead with Trump right now.

00:43:45.000 He's not even the president yet and they're playing dead for him.

00:43:48.000 They know he's the standard-bearer and they have to push for his re-election, right?

00:43:53.000 I mean, they have to push for his re-election.

00:43:55.000 That means that they can't undercut him too much.

00:43:58.000 I love this.

00:43:59.000 Donald Trump, by the way, just moments ago tweeted, Obama just endorsed Crooked Hillary.

00:44:04.000 He wants four more years of Obama, but nobody else does.

00:44:07.000 And Hillary tweeted back, delete your account.

00:44:11.000 Okay, this is just, I will say this, it's a deeply entertaining election.

00:44:16.000 I mean, this election is deeply entertaining, but it's awful in every way.

00:44:20.000 Okay, so, more of the mailbag.

00:44:21.000 Jacob writes, Ben, you had an audio clip of Hugh Hewitt in Wednesday's podcast.

00:44:25.000 I've never heard him speak before.

00:44:27.000 The only thing I heard was Vizzini from The Princess Bride.

00:44:29.000 Does he not sound just like him?

00:44:31.000 I don't know that he sounds just like Vizzini from The Princess Bride.

00:44:35.000 But if he does, I would take that as a compliment.

00:44:37.000 I wish I sounded like Vizzini from The Princess Bride because he's the best character in the history of film.

00:44:41.000 Vizzini is awesome.

00:44:42.000 Okay.

00:44:43.000 Never start a land war in Asia.

00:44:45.000 Andrew writes, Ben, I have a girlfriend who might be a liberal.

00:44:48.000 I'm pretty sure she is.

00:44:49.000 Well, dude, find out.

00:44:51.000 Who goes to my college.

00:44:52.000 I'm a hardcore conservative who's anti-Trump as well as anti-alleged woman Hillary Clinton.

00:44:57.000 I told her that Hillary is a pseudonym for Hades and that she should be imprisoned and then my girlfriend told me later on she doesn't agree with my politics.

00:45:03.000 Should I dump her or try to convert her?

00:45:05.000 Well, Andrew, I think that you should make a decision rather quickly before you start getting too emotionally invested.

00:45:12.000 So, my view is that at the very beginning, at the very beginning, you should decide whether your values aren't compatible, because values are going to outlast your desire to have sex with somebody.

00:45:23.000 It turns out that after you've had sex with somebody for many, many years, the sex is still great, but you better have something in common with them, because you can't fill 24 hours a day with it the way that you did at the very beginning.

00:45:32.000 So, that being the case,

00:45:34.000 I would recommend that you actually think deeply about what her values are, and if her values reflect your own.

00:45:38.000 If she is ardently pro-Hillary, and she's never going to change, and she thinks Hillary is the greatest thing in the world...

00:45:44.000 Forget about it.

00:45:45.000 If she's somebody who's malleable and wants to- and wants to talk about these things, but be honest with yourself.

00:45:50.000 Don't let the fact that she's hot blind you to what her actual values are.

00:45:54.000 You know, when I met my wife, I could tell pretty quickly.

00:45:57.000 I have a- I have a- I have politidar, right?

00:45:59.000 I don't- I don't- There's gaydar and there's politidar.

00:46:01.000 So I have- I have leftdar, right?

00:46:02.000 So I- I can tell within-

00:46:05.000 10 seconds of speaking to somebody, whether they're a conservative or whether they're a leftist.

00:46:08.000 I knew that my wife was a conservative, even if she didn't know she was a conservative yet, because she was apolitical.

00:46:12.000 But I knew that she had the same social values that I did.

00:46:15.000 She was in favor of traditional marriage, and she was in favor of religious standards of education, and she was in favor of basic freedoms, and she was in favor... She was generally pro-life.

00:46:26.000 She's become significantly more pro-life since we met.

00:46:28.000 I knew all this right off the bat.

00:46:30.000 That being said, you know, there's always wiggle room.

00:46:34.000 Let's put it this way.

00:46:35.000 There's a difference between somebody who's apathetic politically and somebody who's fully motivated to be a leftist.

00:46:40.000 Very difficult to get the second kind of person to become somebody conservative just for you.

00:46:44.000 And if they do it just for you, it ain't gonna work out well.

00:46:46.000 Dane writes,

00:46:48.000 Hey, Ben, I'm a conservative.

00:46:49.000 I used to like watching Hannity.

00:46:50.000 Now I can't stand it.

00:46:51.000 It's turned into a daily Trump love fest.

00:46:53.000 He said, I see principled conservatives who believe all the right stuff fall for Trump's nationalist populist movement.

00:46:58.000 I don't get it.

00:46:59.000 Do you think there's any way to win them back?

00:47:00.000 Well, I think that in order to win people back who are ardent Trump supporters, Trump has to lose and lose badly.

00:47:05.000 I think that's the only way.

00:47:06.000 Because otherwise, for the next six months, it's going to be, if you don't back my man, you're disloyal.

00:47:10.000 If you don't back Trump, you're not conservative enough.

00:47:12.000 There's no way to convince people on that.

00:47:14.000 Once you're on the Trump train, there is no exit from the Trump train.

00:47:16.000 This sucker is headed straight for Eastwood Ravine.

00:47:19.000 That's where this is going.

00:47:20.000 Back to the Future Three style.

00:47:22.000 Arielle writes...

00:47:23.000 Hey, Ben.

00:47:24.000 I'm a 19-year-old conservative.

00:47:25.000 I grew up in a single-parent household.

00:47:26.000 My mother had to take care of me and my older brother for many years while working.

00:47:30.000 My mother immigrated from Ecuador when she was 18, worked and studied to become a high school teacher.

00:47:34.000 Before that, she temporarily overstayed on her visa before applying for citizenship and getting it.

00:47:38.000 So, for a time, she was technically an illegal immigrant.

00:47:41.000 Many family members point to this when I claim I am against illegals coming across our borders.

00:47:44.000 Does this make me a hypocrite?

00:47:46.000 So I have to be for illegal immigration, since technically, if the law had been properly enforced, I might never have been born an American.

00:47:51.000 No.

00:47:51.000 There are two reasons why you're not a hypocrite.

00:47:53.000 One is, just because somebody did something wrong, it doesn't mean that that thing should continue to be done wrong forever.

00:47:59.000 Right?

00:48:00.000 You know, my parents, I'm sure when they were younger, did things that I don't like, but then they changed, and they don't do those things anymore, and they don't espouse those things.

00:48:06.000 So, you know, what you can say is, illegal immigration is wrong.

00:48:10.000 My mother probably shouldn't have done it.

00:48:12.000 I'm glad that she did because it worked out for me, but that doesn't mean that this is a standard that America can survive.

00:48:17.000 Also, it sounds like your mom was not a welfare illegal immigrant.

00:48:20.000 She didn't come here for the government benefits.

00:48:21.000 She came here to work.

00:48:22.000 And I've said many times, I don't have any problem with anybody coming over the border who wants to work generally so long as they're not dependent on my dollar or your dollar or taxpayer dollars.

00:48:31.000 I'm for open immigration, so long as those people believe in basic American values and freedoms and liberties.

00:48:37.000 The way that you guarantee that, by the way, is getting rid of the welfare state.

00:48:39.000 Because if they can only come here, here's the deal.

00:48:42.000 When people came over in the early 20th century, when my great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents came over here in the early 20th century, when they did that, there was no welfare.

00:48:50.000 They came here and the basic standard was they were giving up whatever niceties they had back in their homeland to come here and then to fight and scrap their way through.

00:48:59.000 That's a pretty rough deal.

00:49:00.000 That's a pretty rough deal for anybody.

00:49:02.000 That's what guaranteed that we got the best and the brightest because you had to be ambitious enough to give up your social welfare back in the old country to come to the United States and then forge something for yourself with no help from anybody at all.

00:49:14.000 That actually generated a better class of immigrants.

00:49:15.000 We have a different magnet now.

00:49:17.000 That magnet is the social welfare system.

00:49:24.000 No, I wouldn't vote for Joe Biden over Trump.

00:49:26.000 I think that Joe Biden is just kookier, friendlier, not as robotic Hillary Clinton.

00:49:31.000 They believe exactly the same things.

00:49:34.000 William writes, Okay, so my opinion on this is that everybody who cares about this is a left-wing East Coast elite who likes to make himself feel good about writing about the Washington Redskins.

00:49:52.000 Native Americans don't give any craps about this.

00:49:54.000 They give less than zero craps about this.

00:49:56.000 The alcoholism and poverty rate on Native American reservations is egregious.

00:50:00.000 It's horrible.

00:50:01.000 It's something that people should try and help.

00:50:03.000 The Redskins are like number 100 on the list.

00:50:05.000 As I've said before, if there were a team called the Washington Jews, let's make it even worse, let's say they were called the Washington Jew Boys, let's say they were called the Washington Kikes, right?

00:50:15.000 And then every week, the Kikes were beating up the Saints in football.

00:50:18.000 That would be a point of pride, I think.

00:50:21.000 It would be somewhat hilarious, right?

00:50:23.000 So that's, yeah, this stuff is all nonsense.

00:50:26.000 There's nobody who really feels, no Native American is being mistreated because of the name Redskins.

00:50:31.000 Redskins was initially adopted as a term of affection by the team because they had so many Native American players, actually.

00:50:37.000 Mike writes, What do you think is the best possible outcome of a Trump presidency?

00:50:46.000 I think the best possible outcome of a Trump presidency is he goes to sleep for the next four years and does nothing.

00:50:51.000 Because I think that he's going to do tremendous damage to our trade.

00:50:53.000 I think he's going to do tremendous damage on foreign policy.

00:50:56.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:50:57.000 Maybe Donald Trump will surround himself with the best people and suddenly transform into a guy who likes to listen.

00:51:02.000 But somehow, I doubt it.

00:51:04.000 Well, thank you.

00:51:12.000 I agree.

00:51:13.000 When did you get out of law school?

00:51:14.000 So, I got out of law school in 2007.

00:51:18.000 What I got out of it was, the first year does teach you to think in a more linear fashion.

00:51:22.000 It teaches you logical thinking and logical distinctions that are useful when it comes to political thought.

00:51:27.000 I enjoyed law school a lot.

00:51:29.000 It taught me a lot about how the left thinks, too, because sophisticated leftists go to Harvard Law School, so I know exactly how Obama thinks.

00:51:35.000 Who should go to law school?

00:51:36.000 Anybody who

00:51:38.000 Anybody who either wants to practice law or who can get into a law school good enough that the name of the law school is useful on your resume.

00:51:44.000 So one of the nice things I got out of law school is Harvard Law School, right?

00:51:47.000 Whenever I say that, very difficult for the left to call me stupid or parochial or a backwards hick.

00:51:52.000 I went to their best school and I graduated with honors.

00:51:55.000 So it's very difficult for them to say anything about it.

00:51:57.000 Which fits with my general theory.

00:52:00.000 If you have a choice between speaking up in class and getting a bad grade and keeping your mouth shut and going to Harvard Law School, keep your mouth shut and go to Harvard Law School.

00:52:09.000 Scott writes, Dear Ben, as a veteran, I'm interested in what President Shapiro would do to increase the access to care for veterans, as well as disability claims.

00:52:16.000 Also, I'm interested in your thoughts on public sector unions.

00:52:18.000 Please pass my congratulations to Mrs. Shapiro on finishing med school.

00:52:21.000 Yeah, she did that last weekend, so congratulations to the wife.

00:52:25.000 Okay, so, as the, as the, she knows, I don't even have to talk about the congratulations for her, she knows how much I love her, and I bought her very expensive gifts to prove that love.

00:52:34.000 In any case,

00:52:36.000 In any case, what would I do to increase access to care for veterans?

00:52:39.000 Well, number one, I would open the VA to private competition.

00:52:43.000 I would allow veterans to access health care outside of the VA.

00:52:47.000 The VA care is not bad if you can get in.

00:52:49.000 The problem is it's a bottleneck.

00:52:50.000 It's a real bottleneck, the VA.

00:52:52.000 My wife has worked at the VA, so I know this.

00:52:54.000 And so, I think that we should give better benefits to veterans outside the VA system.

00:53:00.000 I don't think you should have to work inside the VA system if you don't want to work inside the VA system.

00:53:04.000 As far as disability claims,

00:53:06.000 Same sort of thing.

00:53:07.000 I mean, look, if you're disabled in the line of duty, I think that it's our duty to take care of you, right?

00:53:11.000 I do think it's our duty to take care of you, because you've served, and that was the bargain we made with you when you decided to serve.

00:53:16.000 It's a volunteer army, you signed a contract, and we signed the contract with you, and now we owe you.

00:53:20.000 That's how contracts work.

00:53:22.000 John writes, Ben, you always say you're running out of time on your show, but as boss, whose time constraints do you operate on?

00:53:27.000 Two words.

00:53:28.000 Jeremy Boring.

00:53:30.000 Okay, the fact is that our producers also want to smack me in the head when I go overtime, but I don't care about them because they are my inferiors.

00:53:37.000 Jeremy, however, is my co-equal, is my business partner, and so when he says that we have to cut off the show a little bit short, we cut off the show a little bit short.

00:53:49.000 By the way, we are so far beyond time right now, so it just shows you what I care about.

00:53:54.000 Zach writes,

00:53:55.000 I love your show.

00:53:56.000 I'm one of the oddballs who gets depressed listening to Andrew, so I have to listen to your show after to lift my spirits.

00:54:02.000 I guess I have to have my pessimism validated after listening to his show.

00:54:06.000 First, don't you think it's a bit sexist to call it a male bag?

00:54:13.000 Second, are you still going to be debating Milo?

00:54:16.000 I haven't heard anything about that lately.

00:54:18.000 So, the answer is no, I won't be debating Milo.

00:54:20.000 The reason I won't be debating Milo is because he's a coward.

00:54:22.000 And the reason he's a coward is because two weeks ago, three weeks ago, first of all, somebody, I think it was Dave Rubin plus Stephen Crowder, they both offered to host a debate between me and Milo on the alt-right and Donald Trump.

00:54:37.000 And Milo went totally silent.

00:54:38.000 And then he blamed Breitbart News for telling him not to do it.

00:54:40.000 A couple weeks later, he then said, fine, I'm willing to do it now.

00:54:43.000 And he emailed me, and he emailed Dave Rubin, and he emailed all the people involved, and he said, let's set this up.

00:54:48.000 And within an hour, I had my assistant email back times.

00:54:51.000 And he said, within the next couple of weeks.

00:54:53.000 No response.

00:54:54.000 Nothing.

00:54:54.000 He says, I'll get back to you.

00:54:55.000 No response.

00:54:56.000 For a week.

00:54:57.000 For two weeks.

00:54:58.000 For three weeks.

00:54:59.000 And then, I email him again, you know, last week and a half ago, and I said, okay, well, you know, I'm holding these dates open, and I'm not gonna keep holding dates open, so are we doing this or not?

00:55:07.000 No response.

00:55:09.000 No response because he's chicken.

00:55:10.000 Because he's chicken poop.

00:55:12.000 Because he's a coward.

00:55:13.000 He's a coward, he's an intellectual coward.

00:55:15.000 It's very easy to go on campus and fight against Trigglypuff social justice warriors with an IQ of 7.

00:55:20.000 It's really not difficult.

00:55:22.000 And it's also really not difficult to lie to college students about what is good and true because they haven't studied the issues.

00:55:28.000 It's also not difficult to gain attention by doing silly stunts.

00:55:31.000 And they're fun.

00:55:32.000 I watch them.

00:55:33.000 They're fun.

00:55:34.000 But when you do those things, and you then spoon-feed on top of it alt-right white nationalism and pander to some of the worst people on earth, and encourage college students to do the same, it's really terrible.

00:55:43.000 I don't have to reiterate my criticisms of Milo here.

00:55:46.000 Suffice it to say, he's intellectually shallow.

00:55:48.000 The offer's off the table.

00:55:49.000 I don't waste my time.

00:55:51.000 Holding dates open for my intellectual inferiors who are too cowardly to debate me, who initiate conversations then blame me for backing out of the debate that they back out of because they have no stones.

00:56:02.000 So, that's my response to the Milo debate.

00:56:04.000 Okay, Drew Taylor says, it seems you flirted with Never Trump but won't jump on board.

00:56:09.000 My question is with 69 years of this behavior, what can he do from now to November to get your vote?

00:56:13.000 So Drew, the only thing that he can do is be not Donald Trump.

00:56:17.000 We'll see if he can do it.

00:56:18.000 We'll see if he can do that.

00:56:19.000 I'm sorry that I have to stop there.

00:56:21.000 We've gone through most of the mailbag.

00:56:23.000 Next week, go to dailywire.com, subscribe, and you too can be part of the mailbag, and we'll be happy to have you.

00:56:28.000 Have a wonderful weekend.

00:56:29.000 We'll be back on Monday.

00:56:30.000 Hopefully the world will not have burned down.

00:56:32.000 If it does, it's been nice knowing you.

00:56:34.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:56:34.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

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