The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 145 - Hillary Lied, Media Focus on Trump

00:00:00.000 On Monday, America celebrated the 240th anniversary of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence, which condemned King George III for, quote, obstructing the administration of justice.

00:00:10.000 On Tuesday, the American left celebrated as the federal government obstructed the administration of justice on behalf of its ruling family, the Clintons.

00:00:18.000 Last week, the Attorney General of the United States met with former President Bill Clinton, whose wife and foundation were both under FBI investigation, and they both insisted that nothing bad happened, nothing untoward.

00:00:29.000 Days later, the New York Times reported that Hillary Clinton might offer Lynch a position in her administration.

00:00:34.000 Over the holiday weekend, the Obama administration announced that Obama would fly to North Carolina with Clinton aboard Air Force One in order to campaign with her.

00:00:42.000 Americans would, in part, foot the bill for the travel. 0.56

00:00:45.000 On Tuesday, FBI Director James Comey called a supposedly impromptu press conference to announce his findings in the investigation of Hillary's private email server.

00:00:54.000 He began by announcing nobody knew what he was about to say, which seems slightly implausible given that Obama was preparing to go on stage with Clinton at the time.

00:01:02.000 Is it even within the realm of imagination that Obama would stand next to Clinton hours after Comey announced the intent to prosecute her?

00:01:07.000 What, the FBI would just come and grab her and carry her bodily off the stage?

00:01:11.000 Of course not.

00:01:12.000 Then, Comey proceeded to lay out all the reasons why Hillary should have been indicted.

00:01:16.000 She set up multiple private email servers, all of which were vulnerable to hack.

00:01:19.000 She didn't set them up in order to use one mobile device, as she has so often stated.

00:01:23.000 She transmitted and received highly classified material.

00:01:26.000 Her team deleted emails that could have contained relevant and classified information.

00:01:30.000 She knew classified information was crossing her server.

00:01:32.000 He concluded that Clinton's team was, quote, extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

00:01:38.000 This was all criminal activity.

00:01:40.000 But Clinton is a member of the royal family.

00:01:42.000 So, said Comey, she was innocent.

00:01:45.000 The divine right of kings rules.

00:01:46.000 Comey tried to say,

00:01:48.000 He wouldn't recommend prosecution because she didn't have the requisite intent.

00:01:51.000 But the law doesn't require intent.

00:01:53.000 It requires gross negligence under 18 U.S.C.

00:01:56.000 793-F.

00:01:56.000 In fact, even the level of intent required to charge under statutes like 18 U.S.C.

00:02:01.000 1924 and 18 U.S.C.

00:02:03.000 798 was clearly met.

00:02:04.000 The intent to place classified information in a non-approved, non-classified place.

00:02:10.000 Nonetheless, Hillary would be allowed to roam free and become president. 1.00

00:02:13.000 To be clear, said Comey, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences.

00:02:20.000 To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions.

00:02:25.000 But that is not what we are deciding right now.

00:02:27.000 One rule for the peons, one for the potentates.

00:02:30.000 This is the legacy of Woodrow Wilson, finally achieved after a century of long waiting.

00:02:34.000 The big man, or woman, unanswerable to the law, approved by the population without regard to equality under the law, we now elect our dictators. 0.99

00:02:42.000 And they don't answer to us, except maybe once every four years.

00:02:45.000 The common folk, on the other hand, we find ourselves on the wrong side of the government gun every single day.

00:02:50.000 Tyranny doesn't start with the jackboots. 0.99

00:02:52.000 It begins with the notion that a different law applies to the powerful than to the powerless.

00:02:56.000 Under Barack Obama, tyranny has become a way of life.

00:02:59.000 Ronald Reagan always said freedom was one generation away from extinction.

00:03:03.000 Looks like we finally found the generation. 1.00

00:03:05.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:03:06.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:03:14.000 Well, welcome, welcome!

00:03:14.000 We have so much to get to in the next 11 minutes or so, and then you'll have to go to Daily Wire for the rest to subscribe, and you'll have to go to SoundCloud to download, and iTunes to download.

00:03:24.000 But this is what we call, or Andrew Klavan calls, this show is the chainsaw of reality, and we are here to smash all of your dreams and make your life miserable.

00:03:30.000 So, why don't we jump right in? 0.94

00:03:32.000 So it turns out that Hillary is a massive criminal, but FBI Director James Comey, as we discussed at length yesterday, doesn't care. 1.00

00:03:38.000 Hillary is a liar, a pathological liar. 1.00

00:03:40.000 She lied and lied and lied over and over and over. 1.00

00:03:42.000 She did it with intent.

00:03:44.000 She put all this stuff on her server to hide it.

00:03:46.000 She had her people destroy things to destroy things. 1.00

00:03:48.000 We still don't know what she destroyed, even though Comey pretended that he did.

00:03:51.000 Now, watch this video.

00:03:53.000 Here is a video of Hillary Clinton and her statements in the past about her emails, her email server, versus what James Comey had to say yesterday, the FBI director.

00:04:02.000 Here it is.

00:04:03.000 I did not email any

00:04:07.000 Classified material to anyone.

00:04:10.000 There is no classified material.

00:04:12.000 I provided all my emails that could possibly be work related.

00:04:28.000 Several thousand work-related emails that were not among the group of 30,000 emails returned by Secretary Clinton.

00:04:36.000 I thought using one device would be simpler.

00:04:39.000 She also used numerous mobile devices to send and to read email.

00:04:43.000 There were no security breaches.

00:04:46.000 It is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal email account.

00:04:51.000 It was my practice to communicate with State Department and other government officials on their .gov accounts.

00:04:58.000 Hostile actors gained access to the private commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account.

00:05:08.000 No doubt that we've done exactly what we should have done.

00:05:11.000 They were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

00:05:17.000 People will be able to judge for themselves.

00:05:19.000 We cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts.

00:05:24.000 Thank you.

00:05:25.000 Thank you.

00:05:26.000 Thank you very much.

00:05:27.000 To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences.

00:05:36.000 Americans will find that, you know, interesting, and I look forward to having a discussion about that.

00:05:43.000 Just insane.

00:05:44.000 Just insane all the way through.

00:05:46.000 Okay, so there's the juxtaposition.

00:05:48.000 Just to give you an example of another case in which somebody was sentenced for actual criminal behavior like this, there is a soldier who was deployed in Afghanistan 2007-2008 as a regional engineer, and he admitted to downloading classified briefings and digital records onto his personal electronic divisors.

00:06:06.000 He brought them back to the United States when his deployment ended.

00:06:08.000 An FBI search of the guy's home turned up classified materials,

00:06:11.000 But didn't show any intent to distribute, right?

00:06:13.000 Sounds exactly like Hillary Clinton, except that she actually sent out these emails. 0.88

00:06:17.000 This guy got two years of probation and a $7,500 fine, right?

00:06:20.000 Hillary Clinton, nothing.

00:06:21.000 Nothing, nada, nothing.

00:06:22.000 Everything is great.

00:06:23.000 Everything is grand.

00:06:24.000 We're supposed to pretend that this all goes away.

00:06:26.000 The Republicans are talking about now calling James Comey in front of Congress, calling Loretta Lynch in front of Congress.

00:06:31.000 It's worthless.

00:06:32.000 They'll just go up there and they'll say we're using our prosecutorial discretion.

00:06:35.000 It's not about the corruption of Comey and the corruption of Lynch, although that's obviously part of the story.

00:06:39.000 It's about the fact that the entire system is biased.

00:06:42.000 Now, Donald Trump is accusing the Clinton administration, well, the Clinton, the would-be Clinton administration of coordinating with the Obamas and the Obamas of coordinating with Loretta Lynch and James Comey.

00:06:51.000 I don't think that has to happen explicitly.

00:06:53.000 See, you work in a company, right?

00:06:55.000 And at that company, you sort of know what it is that your bosses want to hear.

00:06:58.000 So if your boss spends all day saying that he wants a certain type of memo, you craft the memo to fit that.

00:07:03.000 And this is, historically speaking, this is sort of like what happened with Henry II during the killing of Archbishop Thomas Beckett.

00:07:11.000 You know, the idea was,

00:07:12.000 There is evidence that they were extremely careless

00:07:38.000 In their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

00:07:42.000 I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal emails.

00:07:48.000 Yeah, because it's basically the same material as we just saw in the reason.com video that we showed before. 0.99

00:07:53.000 Obviously, the juxtaposition shows that Hillary is an egregious, egregious liar. 0.55

00:07:57.000 So President Obama knows all this, but he doesn't care because, as my friend Dennis Prager is fond of saying, truth is not a left-wing value. 0.94

00:08:04.000 The left doesn't care about truth.

00:08:05.000 They care about equality.

00:08:06.000 They care about fairness.

00:08:07.000 They don't care about truth.

00:08:08.000 Truth is completely worthless to them.

00:08:10.000 All they care about is domination.

00:08:12.000 All they care about is domination.

00:08:13.000 So President Obama lands on the airliner on Air Force One with Hillary Clinton as all of this is going on.

00:08:21.000 And then he stumps with her.

00:08:23.000 Now notice something about the visual here.

00:08:25.000 The President of the United States is standing behind a seal that says President of the United States.

00:08:30.000 He never does this when he's campaigning because even Obama sometimes recognizes that his office is separate from the politicking.

00:08:37.000 Obviously no more.

00:08:38.000 He brings Hillary along with him, and he speaks on her behalf.

00:08:42.000 By the end of this, Hillary would be standing behind that podium with the President of the United States seal on it. 0.99

00:08:49.000 Creating the optic that she's already the President of the United States, which is exactly what Obama wants to create.

00:08:53.000 Here's President Obama saying, if you're voting your pocketbook, you should vote for Hillary Clinton.

00:08:57.000 Look, I just want to be clear.

00:09:00.000 Not everybody votes on the economy.

00:09:01.000 I understand.

00:09:02.000 There are other issues.

00:09:05.000 But if your concern is who's going to look out for working families, if you're voting your pocketbook, if you're asking who's actually going to stand up for the guy on the construction site, or the guy in the factory, or the woman who's cleaning a hotel room, or somebody who's really working hard, the working family,

00:09:34.000 If that's your concern, this isn't even a choice!

00:09:39.000 Because the other side has nothing to offer you!

00:09:41.000 Okay, so this is where Obama does his campaign routine.

00:09:43.000 This is what he loves to do.

00:09:44.000 It's what he lives for. 0.92

00:09:45.000 And there's Hillary cackling like a crazy old grandmother over there looking like Marie Barone from Everybody Loves Raymond in the background. 1.00

00:09:53.000 And Obama goes into his full campaign voice and he starts dropping his G's because that means that he's one of the people, right?

00:09:57.000 He starts dropping his G's.

00:09:59.000 Like, the woman is working in that hotel room. 0.96

00:10:01.000 She's not working.

00:10:02.000 She's working in that hotel room. 0.98

00:10:04.000 And that's not all he had to say.

00:10:05.000 Then he dropped this unbelievable line, literally five seconds after James Comey finishes saying that Hillary's the most corrupt heretic ever to occupy the State Department. 1.00

00:10:13.000 President Obama says nobody's ever been more qualified than Hillary Clinton.

00:10:17.000 She's seen the consequences of things working well and things not working well.

00:10:26.000 And there has never been any man or woman

00:10:33.000 Really?

00:10:34.000 No, that's not the truth.

00:10:48.000 That's the truth.

00:10:49.000 Okay, we'll stop it there.

00:10:50.000 And you got the cheering crowds, and everybody's really excited.

00:10:53.000 There's never been anyone more qualified to go to prison than Hillary Clinton as a candidate in this race. 1.00

00:10:57.000 But she's more qualified than, for example, General Dwight Eisenhower, who led the effort in World War II.

00:11:03.000 Really?

00:11:03.000 Is that true?

00:11:05.000 She's more qualified than George Washington, who founded the country, essentially?

00:11:09.000 She's more qualified than James Madison who wrote the Constitution?

00:11:11.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:11:12.000 I'm sure that she's more qualified than any of those people. 1.00

00:11:15.000 If you are a stupid person. 1.00

00:11:16.000 If you are a stupid person, this makes perfect sense. 1.00

00:11:18.000 The Republicans, naturally, are fighting mad about all of this. 1.00

00:11:22.000 And they should be fighting mad about all of this. 0.97

00:11:24.000 Here's Paul Ryan saying that this is ridiculous.

00:11:26.000 You know, under any other circumstances, this person would be barred from having security clearance. 0.55

00:11:32.000 She grossly was negligent. 1.00

00:11:35.000 She mishandled classified information, and now she wants to be Commander-in-Chief. 1.00

00:11:37.000 Here's the other thing.

00:11:39.000 You know, when I was Mitt Romney's running mate, I got classified briefings every week by the CIA, by National Intelligence.

00:11:45.000 Very sensitive information, which you get as a candidate once the convention occurs.

00:11:51.000 Comey said, short of prosecution, some kind of administration action should occur, bringing consequences.

00:11:58.000 I think the DNI, the Director of National Intelligence, should block her access to classified information, given how recklessly she handled this during the presidential campaign. 0.91

00:12:08.000 If she becomes president, that's one thing, but I don't think she should get classified information, and I think the DNI should block it, given how recklessly she handled this from the start. 0.84

00:12:17.000 Okay, weak T from Paul Ryan there, but that's what Paul Ryan does.

00:12:20.000 Like, I don't mind Paul Ryan too much. 0.99

00:12:21.000 I think that he does stupid things like amnesty and TARP. 0.98

00:12:24.000 But, Paul Ryan as the advocate, as the prosecutor, does that look like the face of a prosecutor to you? 0.99

00:12:29.000 Or does that look like the face of a mildly irritated Muppet?

00:12:33.000 I mean, really.

00:12:33.000 Like, if you're gonna go after Hillary, you really have to go after Hillary here.

00:12:37.000 Now's the time.

00:12:37.000 Now's the time to attack Hillary, because she's wide open.

00:12:41.000 And Comey left her wide open. 1.00

00:12:42.000 In fact, there was even a theory being put forward by Ala Pundit over at Hot Air that Comey knew that this whole thing was politicized, so he dropped this announcement specifically to show, look how political this is.

00:12:51.000 We all know she's guilty, but I'm being forbidden by my higher-ups to do this.

00:12:55.000 Maybe that happened, maybe it didn't.

00:12:56.000 But the bottom line is, now is the time to attack.

00:12:58.000 Not on these kind of weak-kneed, well, she shouldn't receive classified briefings.

00:13:02.000 It is a very consequential act to indict a person who is the presumptive nominee of either one of the two political parties.

00:13:07.000 I don't know if the weight of that

00:13:32.000 Maybe affected judgment, but when I, when I listened to him, I was sure he was going to come to the conclusion either that they were prosecutable offenses or he was not going to come to a conclusion at all and leave it up to the attorney general.

00:13:48.000 When he came to the conclusion that no reasonable prosecutor could bring this case, I found that statement to be completely indefensible.

00:13:57.000 A lot of reasonable prosecutors would bring this case.

00:14:00.000 In fact, I think

00:14:03.000 You would be unreasonable not to bring this case at least under 18 U.S.C.

00:14:06.000 Section 793, subparagraph F.

00:14:12.000 Right, and that's 100% true.

00:14:14.000 It doesn't require intent, it requires gross negligence.

00:14:17.000 Now, just to spend a moment on this intent point, because Hillary and Obama and Comey all placed heavy emphasis on intent.

00:14:24.000 Here's what Comey said yesterday.

00:14:25.000 He said,

00:14:33.000 All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information, or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct, or indications of loyalty to the United States, or efforts to obstruct justice.

00:14:49.000 We do not see those things here.

00:14:51.000 Okay, first of all, as I mentioned yesterday, gross negligence is the standard under 793F, but that's not the only law here.

00:14:57.000 When Comey says Hillary didn't evidence intentional and willful mishandling of classified information, of course she did! 1.00

00:15:03.000 When you build a server and put classified information on it and then have your lawyers scrub it, that is intentional and willful mishandling of classified information.

00:15:10.000 It is intent.

00:15:12.000 Okay, it doesn't have to mean that there's intentionality with regards to she wants the Russians to read it, but there's intent, obviously, to do something with classified info.

00:15:19.000 Same thing with vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct.

00:15:24.000 Same thing with efforts to obstruct justice. 0.98

00:15:26.000 There's two types of intent in law.

00:15:28.000 There's specific intent and there's basic intent.

00:15:30.000 Okay, basic intent, general intent.

00:15:32.000 General intent is like I'm standing on an overpass above a crowd and I have a brick.

00:15:37.000 And I dropped the brick into the crowd.

00:15:39.000 Right?

00:15:39.000 I didn't have an intent necessarily to kill one person, but I had a general intent to drop the brick knowing that something bad would happen.

00:15:45.000 I would be prosecuted for first-degree murder.

00:15:47.000 Right?

00:15:47.000 That's usually what law requires.

00:15:49.000 Usually law requires a general intent.

00:15:51.000 The intent required here is the intent to do the bad act, not the intent to give the documents to the Russians.

00:15:57.000 But of course, Comey shifts the law in order to let Hillary off the hook because that's what they do. 1.00

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00:16:16.000 We're going to talk about Donald Trump.

00:16:17.000 We're going to play a little bit of Good Trump, Bad Trump.

00:16:20.000 We're going to talk about what Donald Trump had to say about all of this.

00:16:23.000 We're also going to do things I like, things I hate, and we'll talk about the

00:16:26.000 Alright, so, continuing along these lines, you've got Giuliani, you've got Paul Ryan, they're all condemning Hillary for a reason, they're condemning Comey for a reason.

00:16:31.000 So the question is, what's the fallout?

00:16:33.000 Does this really matter?

00:16:34.000 So I think for a week or so.

00:16:48.000 You're going to see the media crack on Hillary. 1.00

00:16:50.000 For a week or so, the media is going to say, oh, it's really terrible what you did.

00:16:53.000 Then they're going to shift, as quickly as possible, away from Hillary Clinton and toward Donald Trump.

00:16:58.000 So for the moment, they're going to pretend like they're objective about this.

00:17:00.000 Wolf Blitzer over on CNN, he said yesterday, this is a major slap to the Hillary Clinton campaign. 0.85

00:17:05.000 There were some emails that were there that were at that top level, above top secret.

00:17:11.000 When he says that that information was there, it was potentially available for foreign hostile powers, or for anyone for that matter, to go into those private servers and compromise that kind of information, that is a severe, severe slap.

00:17:27.000 That the way Hillary Clinton was running that server while she was Secretary of State for four years, and her aides were obviously very well aware that all of this information was on this private server.

00:17:38.000 So when she says that no information was marked, classified, when it was sent or received, she may be precise in those words, but he says anyone reading that information should have known it was secret, top secret, or even a secure compartmented information, which is even more sensitive.

00:17:56.000 So the media will pretend to care about this, but I want to pay attention, okay?

00:17:59.000 Pay attention.

00:18:00.000 What the media is going to do over the next 24 hours is they're going to shift the narrative away.

00:18:03.000 So already we've seen a couple attempts to shift the narrative away.

00:18:06.000 We'll get to Trump in a second.

00:18:07.000 They've tried to shift the narrative this morning with President Obama announcing he would leave 8,400 troops in Afghanistan.

00:18:12.000 He's going out there trying to drop any headline, anything, to get Hillary out of the news.

00:18:16.000 That's one.

00:18:17.000 Two, Hillary's campaigning right now in Atlantic City. 0.99

00:18:19.000 She's standing outside a defunct Trump casino and saying that this demonstrates that he's a bad business person.

00:18:25.000 I agree.

00:18:25.000 He's not the world's best business person.

00:18:27.000 I think that Trump should probably fly to Benghazi right now and stand outside the gutted embassy and do a speech talking about how Hillary Clinton is an utter and complete garbage show. 1.00

00:18:36.000 But the media are looking for an excuse to swivel away from this. 0.97

00:18:39.000 So remember during the entire primaries,

00:18:41.000 There are many of us, including me, who got the feeling, well, Trump really knows how to play the media.

00:18:45.000 I mean, the man just knows how to play the media, right?

00:18:49.000 He has them over his knee, and he's doing what he wants with them, and they're repeating all of his lines, and they're doing all the things that he wants them to do, and all the rest of this.

00:18:57.000 Well, now it turns out that actually that was all just play.

00:18:59.000 Like, there are people like me also saying, guys, this is the primaries.

00:19:02.000 They want Trump.

00:19:03.000 They like the ratings.

00:19:04.000 They like Trump.

00:19:05.000 They want to see him become the nominee, and then they will open up their guns.

00:19:08.000 Well, that's happening, and Trump is making it easy.

00:19:10.000 So, time for a little bit of Good Trump, Bad Trump.

00:19:12.000 As always, we begin with Good Trump.

00:19:14.000 Yes.

00:19:15.000 So, Good Trump.

00:19:16.000 He comes out and he starts ripping on Hillary over the email scandal. 0.70

00:19:21.000 And I have to say, Trump is at his best when you don't have to understand specifics to make the attack.

00:19:28.000 One of his problems on this email server scandal is he doesn't really understand what's going on because it's a little too complex for him.

00:19:33.000 But he says stuff nonetheless and it's not bad stuff.

00:19:36.000 So here is Donald Trump saying that Bernie Sanders has now lost the FBI primary.

00:19:40.000 I learned about rigged very fast.

00:19:43.000 I learned.

00:19:43.000 But I used the term rigged.

00:19:44.000 Then all of a sudden Bernie started using it and other people, now everyone talks about rigged.

00:19:48.000 But I'm gonna keep using it.

00:19:50.000 Because I was the one that brought it up.

00:19:52.000 And I'm the one.

00:19:53.000 And I asked a couple of political pros.

00:19:55.000 You ever hear the word rigged?

00:19:56.000 It's a rigged everything?

00:19:58.000 And they really, it hasn't been a thing used.

00:20:00.000 I guess it has to be somewhere along the line, but it hasn't.

00:20:03.000 But think of Bernie Sanders.

00:20:05.000 Who's the most angry about this?

00:20:06.000 I think the one with the most to lose is Bernie Sanders.

00:20:09.000 Because honestly, he was waiting for the FBI primary.

00:20:14.000 And guess what?

00:20:16.000 He just lost today.

00:20:18.000 The FBI primary.

00:20:20.000 He lost the FBI primary.

00:20:22.000 Bernie, my poor Bernie.

00:20:25.000 Oh, Bernie.

00:20:26.000 I feel so badly for Bernie.

00:20:27.000 But you know what?

00:20:29.000 A lot of Bernie Sanders supporters are going to be voting for Trump because Bernie Sanders was right. 0.99

00:20:38.000 Okay, so again, everything Trump says is a kernel of truth wrapped in an enormous mile radius chaff of garbage. 0.80

00:20:48.000 So I love that he says he's the only person in human history who's ever said the government is rigged. 0.92

00:20:52.000 Yes, you're the only person who said that, Donald.

00:20:54.000 Going all the way back to FDR talking about malefactors of great wealth.

00:20:58.000 I'm sure you're the only person in the history of the country who's talked about the system being rigged.

00:21:02.000 You're the only person.

00:21:03.000 But what he says there about Bernie losing the FBI primary, it's funny.

00:21:06.000 He does his shtick.

00:21:07.000 I mean, he's a comedian.

00:21:08.000 He's a comedian.

00:21:09.000 And what he says there is exactly right.

00:21:10.000 And he says that Clinton's decision was a miscarriage of justice.

00:21:14.000 Congratulations to him for getting the point right and also for using a three-syllable word, miscarriage.

00:21:20.000 Good for him.

00:21:21.000 So here is Donald Trump on that.

00:21:23.000 I believe that what happened over the last four or five days has been a total miscarriage in justice, and I really believe that what happened is shocking, and it's certainly shocking to legal scholars, and I watch them and talk to them all the time.

00:21:40.000 They can't believe what happened.

00:21:41.000 Do you believe... And whether it's General Petraeus or others that have suffered grave consequences for what they did, Bill, I think it's a great miscarriage of justice.

00:21:52.000 It's a great miscarriage of justice.

00:21:53.000 So the second time he gets it right, the first time he's in miscarriage injustice, because that's what he does.

00:21:56.000 But in any case, he gets it.

00:21:58.000 That's that's right.

00:21:59.000 It is a miscarriage of justice.

00:22:00.000 And he continues along these lines, right?

00:22:02.000 Trump on attack is good Trump, right?

00:22:04.000 Trump on attack is happy Trump.

00:22:06.000 Yes.

00:22:07.000 Hey there, Donald.

00:22:08.000 Yeah, it's Donald on attack is the best Trump.

00:22:10.000 So here is Trump saying that Hillary basically offered to bribe Loretta Lynch.

00:22:15.000 Did you see today Hillary announced that she may consider

00:22:20.000 The Attorney General, I'm not casting aspersions on anybody.

00:22:24.000 Other than Hillary, of course. 0.94

00:22:26.000 But she may consider the Attorney General, who's ruling on a case now, now they're ruling on a case, to continue forward as Attorney General.

00:22:35.000 Now, how do you make that statement when they are going to rule?

00:22:38.000 Because remember what happened.

00:22:40.000 The FBI makes their recommendation and then still it's up to the Attorney General's office.

00:22:44.000 So Hillary said today, 0.88

00:22:47.000 At least according to what I saw on television, which you can't always believe.

00:22:50.000 I actually found it hard to believe she'd say this.

00:22:52.000 But she said today that we may consider the Attorney General to go forward.

00:22:57.000 That's like a bribe, isn't it?

00:22:58.000 Isn't that sort of a bribe?

00:23:01.000 I think it's a bribe.

00:23:05.000 I mean, then if she wins...

00:23:36.000 We've got a person in the White House that's having a lot of fun.

00:23:40.000 A lot of fun.

00:23:41.000 I watched him today.

00:23:42.000 It's like a carnival act.

00:23:44.000 A lot of fun.

00:23:47.000 Moving around, he has the whole thing.

00:23:49.000 You know, great, great, great.

00:23:51.000 I'm saying

00:23:52.000 This is a president.

00:23:53.000 We need a president who's going to bring us back.

00:23:57.000 We need a president that's not going to be divisive.

00:24:00.000 We need a president that's going to take care of the African-American community. 1.00

00:24:05.000 Remember that.

00:24:06.000 Remember that.

00:24:09.000 Obama is all talk and no action.

00:24:14.000 We need a president that's going to create jobs for Hispanics who don't have the jobs. 1.00

00:24:21.000 We need a president that's going to turn our country around and Obama cannot do it.

00:24:27.000 And Hillary Clinton will be even worse. 1.00

00:24:29.000 Believe me, she will be even worse.

00:24:32.000 Okay, so this is the good Trump.

00:24:35.000 It's never a day of good Trump, bad Trump without a little bit of bad Trump.

00:24:39.000 Oh, that's right.

00:24:40.000 So let's start with this. 1.00

00:24:43.000 Trump said some really stupid crap yesterday. 1.00

00:24:45.000 The media, though, are worse than Trump. 1.00

00:24:48.000 Okay, so Trump says something terrible because this is what he does.

00:24:51.000 The media, when I said earlier that this has all been a big setup by the media, this is the proof that this has all been a big setup by the media.

00:24:57.000 So let's start with Donald Trump.

00:24:59.000 We'll start with Clip. 0.58

00:25:00.000 We'll start with Clip. 0.58

00:25:01.000 Here's Donald Trump talking about Saddam Hussein yesterday.

00:25:06.000 This is yesterday, Saddam, him talking about Hussein.

00:25:09.000 Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, right? 0.99

00:25:12.000 He was a bad guy.

00:25:13.000 Really bad guy.

00:25:14.000 But you know what he did well? 0.98

00:25:16.000 He killed terrorists.

00:25:18.000 He did that so good, they didn't read him the rights.

00:25:21.000 They didn't talk.

00:25:23.000 They were terrorists. 0.76

00:25:23.000 It was over. 0.76

00:25:26.000 Today, Iraq is Harvard for terrorism. 1.00

00:25:30.000 You want to be a terrorist, you go to Iraq. 0.99

00:25:33.000 I was opposed to going in because they said you're going to destabilize the Middle East.

00:25:36.000 Because you had Iraq and you had Iran. 0.99

00:25:39.000 And I said, they fight.

00:25:41.000 They're always fighting.

00:25:42.000 For decades and decades.

00:25:44.000 For generations.

00:25:45.000 They fight.

00:25:46.000 That's what they do.

00:25:46.000 They fight.

00:25:48.000 How we ever got involved in this mess is hard to believe.

00:25:51.000 They fight, and they were equal, militarily.

00:25:54.000 They go this way, 10 feet.

00:25:56.000 They go this way, 10 feet.

00:25:57.000 Then they rest, a couple of years.

00:25:59.000 Then they start fighting again.

00:26:01.000 Then Saddam Hussein throws a little gas.

00:26:03.000 Everyone goes crazy, always using gas.

00:26:06.000 They go back, forth.

00:26:07.000 It's the same.

00:26:09.000 And they were stabilized.

00:26:11.000 And I said, if you go after one or the other, in this case Iraq, you're going to destabilize the Middle East. 0.98

00:26:17.000 That's what's going to happen.

00:26:18.000 You're going to destabilize the Middle East. 1.00

00:26:20.000 And that's exactly what happened.

00:26:21.000 We totally destabilized the Middle East. 1.00

00:26:24.000 So, clip one there, right?

00:26:25.000 There's a cut in the middle.

00:26:26.000 Clip one is yesterday.

00:26:28.000 Clip two is Donald Trump nine months ago.

00:26:31.000 Right?

00:26:32.000 It's Donald Trump nine months ago. 0.99

00:26:34.000 And Donald Trump nine months ago is saying exactly the same stupid stuff about Saddam Hussein that he's saying today. 1.00

00:26:38.000 And by the way, it is stupid stuff. 1.00

00:26:39.000 This idea that Saddam Hussein killed terrorists. 1.00

00:26:42.000 He killed some Shia terrorists, but he was also funding Sunni terrorists all over the world. 0.89

00:26:46.000 If you go back to the rationale for invading Iraq in the first place, part of it was because of his connections to terrorism all over the globe. 0.84

00:26:52.000 Including connections to Palestinian terrorism. 0.99

00:26:54.000 He was paying $10,000 to kill Jews. 0.99

00:26:56.000 Including his connections to Al-Qaeda. 0.82

00:26:58.000 Including his connections to a bunch of people who are currently, like Zarqawi, major Al-Qaeda leaders. 1.00

00:27:03.000 Yes, this is stupid. 1.00

00:27:05.000 But the media jumped all over this, right? 1.00

00:27:07.000 The media jumped all over this.

00:27:09.000 This was the big story yesterday.

00:27:12.000 So here's the question.

00:27:13.000 Why didn't they jump on this when he said it back in September, December?

00:27:15.000 Why didn't he do it back early in the campaign?

00:27:18.000 Here's Donald Trump from December on this topic.

00:27:21.000 Look at Libya. 0.68

00:27:22.000 Look at Iraq. 0.93

00:27:24.000 Iraq used to be no terrorists. 0.99

00:27:27.000 He would kill the terrorists immediately. 0.79

00:27:28.000 It was like, now it's the Harvard of terrorism. 0.99

00:27:32.000 Iraq.

00:27:33.000 If you look at Iraq from years ago, I'm not saying he was a nice guy, he was a horrible guy. 1.00

00:27:38.000 But it was a lot better than it is right now.

00:27:40.000 Right now, Iraq is a training ground for terrorists. 0.99

00:27:43.000 Okay, so as you see, he's saying exactly the same thing now that he was saying back in December.

00:27:47.000 The media didn't care back in December.

00:27:48.000 They didn't care at all.

00:27:50.000 Dave Weigel over at the Washington Post, who's of the left, he wrote today,

00:28:00.000 That was why Tuesday night's collective Captain Raynaud moment, like from Casablanca, I'm shocked to find gambling's been going on here, was so strange, and so demonstrative of why many media consumers are skeptical of what they're hearing.

00:28:11.000 Instead of a debate on the facts, should Hussein have been removed?

00:28:13.000 Did he kill terrorists?

00:28:15.000 There was a manufactured outrage straight from a rival campaign.

00:28:17.000 In other words, Hillary said all of a sudden, Hillary jumped on this, he's pro-Saddam Hussein line.

00:28:22.000 But he's been using this line for a year.

00:28:24.000 He's been using the line for a year, and they ignored it.

00:28:27.000 They didn't pay attention to it.

00:28:28.000 They actually used it as a club to hit Jeb Bush with, if you recall.

00:28:32.000 So why all of a sudden are they attacking Trump?

00:28:34.000 And the answer is they're attacking Trump because they need a better news cycle, and Trump provided it to them. 0.99

00:28:39.000 And he did provide it to them, and you're seeing the media jump on the bandwagon, and Republicans struggling to answer because Trump's been saying stupid stuff for a year, and he got away with a lot of the stupid stuff for a year, and now they're gonna hit him on everything. 0.99

00:28:49.000 Now Donald Trump is just 1.00

00:28:51.000 They're playing whack-a-mole with Donald Trump.

00:28:52.000 So here's Paul Ryan, he's on Megyn Kelly's show last night, and Megyn Kelly asks him some very awkward questions, and you'll see Paul Ryan, who always comes off to me slightly awkward, turn full Michael Scott here from the office.

00:29:04.000 Last question.

00:29:05.000 Tonight at a rally, Donald Trump said Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, but he was very, very good at killing terrorists, in response to which many people came out and started to go through the litany of very, very bad things that Saddam Hussein has done.

00:29:19.000 Any thoughts from you on the praise he had for Hussein?

00:29:24.000 He was one of the 20th century's most evil people.

00:29:27.000 He was up there, and he committed mass genocide against his own people using chemical weapons. 0.75

00:29:32.000 Saddam Hussein was a bad guy. 0.98

00:29:34.000 Okay, yes, he was.

00:29:36.000 The fact that we have to say this in an open campaign now demonstrates just how bad this campaign has become.

00:29:41.000 Reince Priebus! 0.99

00:29:42.000 He's on TV yesterday, and now he's being asked about Donald Trump and his Jewish star tweet.

00:29:47.000 By the way, I thought the best commentary on this came courtesy of the KKK's David Duke, who said, wait a second, you're saying this is a sheriff's star?

00:29:53.000 I missed that one!

00:29:55.000 Here's Reince Priebus trying to downplay that particular controversy.

00:29:59.000 The guy that did this tweet talked about it.

00:30:02.000 He went through every step of how he picked out the star from the from Microsoft.

00:30:07.000 I think it's called Microsoft Paint and picked out the star, realized obviously very quickly that it was not a smart idea, went back and changed it to a circle.

00:30:17.000 I mean, I think that they sort of, you know, owned this and changed it.

00:30:22.000 But, you know, you obviously don't want to see things like that, mistakes like that happen in the future.

00:30:27.000 But I think they they figured it out and they fixed it.

00:30:30.000 Now they figured it out and they fixed it.

00:30:31.000 You know, just the pandering to the alt-right.

00:30:32.000 They fixed it.

00:30:33.000 Here's the point.

00:30:34.000 The media are terrible.

00:30:35.000 They are. 1.00

00:30:36.000 They're corrupt. 0.99

00:30:37.000 They're obviously on Hillary Clinton's side. 0.99

00:30:39.000 Donald Trump just keeps giving them material.

00:30:41.000 Can you imagine what an actual disciplined candidate would be doing today?

00:30:44.000 Can you imagine an actual disciplined candidate saying anything but Hillary, Hillary, Hillary over and over and over?

00:30:49.000 How many times have I said in the last two weeks on this show?

00:30:52.000 People who are not planning on voting Trump like me.

00:30:55.000 It would make it difficult for me, politically, if all that Trump did was just say Hillary, Hillary, Hillary over and over until the election.

00:31:02.000 But he can't.

00:31:03.000 He can't.

00:31:03.000 All he does is provide new headlines for the left.

00:31:06.000 Right?

00:31:06.000 That's bad Trump.

00:31:07.000 He can't help himself.

00:31:08.000 He just can't help himself.

00:31:09.000 And that's the big problem. 1.00

00:31:10.000 So, yes, Hillary is a criminal, and Donald Trump is criminally incompetent. 1.00

00:31:15.000 That's what this comes down to. 1.00

00:31:16.000 I mean, aside from all the other flaws with him.

00:31:18.000 And so, you know, again, I think that for the next couple of weeks, you'll see some recriminations about Hillary Clinton.

00:31:22.000 And then the media will say, listen, it's over.

00:31:24.000 There's nothing we can do about it.

00:31:26.000 It's not that big a deal.

00:31:27.000 She wasn't indicted.

00:31:28.000 And Hillary will go on attack against Trump. 1.00

00:31:30.000 By the way, you know, it's interesting.

00:31:32.000 I was watching a little bit of Hillary Clinton today in Atlantic City speaking about Trump and Chris Christie.

00:31:36.000 She had a great line about Chris Christie.

00:31:37.000 She said that Chris Christie looks like Donald Trump is going to go send him to pick up his cleaning.

00:31:42.000 And I thought to myself, you know, everybody kept saying that Trump was the only one who could take Hillary.

00:31:47.000 What if...

00:31:49.000 Trump dragging Hillary into the mud is the best thing for Hillary. 1.00

00:31:52.000 What if that's the best thing for Hillary? 1.00

00:31:53.000 What if that's where Hillary is most comfortable? 1.00

00:31:55.000 Hillary pretends she's most comfortable talking policy, but what if, you know, and I have this kind of conception also through most of the campaign, what if actually Hillary Clinton is most comfortable slinging mud and knifing people? 1.00

00:32:09.000 What if that's what she's most comfortable with?

00:32:10.000 What if she's just been waiting for an opportunity in her political career to unleash nasty Hillary? 1.00

00:32:15.000 Because we know she's nasty. 1.00

00:32:17.000 What if she's just been waiting until she can stand in front of Atlantic City casinos and call Trump a conman and a liar and suggest that he's fleeced people? 0.99

00:32:26.000 What if that's what she loves best?

00:32:29.000 And I think, honestly, the campaign making that turn I think is probably very good for her.

00:32:33.000 Okay, time for things I like and things I hate.

00:32:36.000 Okay, things I like.

00:32:37.000 So I'm doing Westerns this week.

00:32:38.000 So my favorite Clint Eastwood film

00:32:40.000 is not some of the Clint Eastwood films that are more modern.

00:32:44.000 I think American Sniper is a good film.

00:32:46.000 I don't think it's a great film.

00:32:47.000 I think Gran Torino is a good film.

00:32:48.000 I don't think it's a great film.

00:32:50.000 I still think that Clint Eastwood's best film is Unforgiven, the 1992 Western with Gene Hackman.

00:32:56.000 And if you haven't seen it, it's really nihilistic, it's really dark, but it's really good.

00:33:00.000 It's all about kind of the legend-making of the West.

00:33:03.000 Step over to the office and get the bullwhippin'.

00:33:05.000 A whippin'?

00:33:06.000 That's all they get after what they've done?

00:33:08.000 Get outta here! 0.97

00:33:10.000 It was a matter of honor. 0.98

00:33:12.000 They're paying $1,000 to whatever kills the two boys that cut up Delilah.

00:33:16.000 in a time when lawmen were killers.

00:33:19.000 What are you all looking at?

00:33:22.000 You English, Bob?

00:33:23.000 outlaws were heroes.

00:33:25.000 Well, I thought that you were dead.

00:33:27.000 Hell, I even thought I was dead till I found out it was just in Nebraska.

00:33:32.000 And a bad reputation You're the one who killed William Harvey and robbed that train over Missouri?

00:33:37.000 was as good as gold.

00:33:41.000 My guess is you're calling yourself Mr. William Money.

00:33:44.000 Say what? 1.00

00:33:46.000 You don't look no meaner than hell, cold-blooded damn killer. 1.00

00:33:50.000 I ain't like that anymore, kid. 1.00

00:33:54.000 $1,000 reward, Will.

00:33:57.000 Nobody's gonna come.

00:33:58.000 So you still have that Spencer rifle, huh?

00:34:01.000 Yeah.

00:34:02.000 He's my partner.

00:34:04.000 He don't go, I don't go.

00:34:06.000 What's it come to, three ways?

00:34:11.000 Just because we're going on this killing, that don't mean I'm gonna go back to being the way I was. 0.99

00:34:15.000 Are you really gonna kill them, cowboy? 0.98

00:34:19.000 I do not like assassins. 1.00

00:34:22.000 Or men of low character.

00:34:24.000 We ain't bad men no more.

00:34:25.000 We're farmers. 0.53

00:34:28.000 There are a lot of savages! 0.99

00:34:29.000 A bunch of bloody savages! 1.00

00:34:31.000 Assassins! 1.00

00:34:34.000 Well, I guess they have it coming.

00:34:36.000 We all have it coming, kid.

00:34:38.000 Some legends will never be forgotten.

00:34:41.000 Some wrongs can never be forgiven.

00:34:45.000 These men don't want to get killed.

00:34:47.000 Better clear on out the back. 0.71

00:34:52.000 Alright, it's a great movie.

00:34:53.000 It's Eastwood's best film.

00:34:55.000 It's really complex.

00:34:56.000 It's really interesting because, you know, they play Eastwood as the hero in the preview and they play Hackman as sort of the villain, but that's not really how the movie goes.

00:35:03.000 Everybody's both a hero and a villain.

00:35:04.000 It's a really interesting film all about how legends get made.

00:35:07.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:35:09.000 Okay, so there's this activist

00:35:11.000 This is an amazing story, and it's from Mediaite.

00:35:14.000 A German rape victim admitted in an interview with Der Spiegel she lied about her rapists ethnicities because she wanted to avoid sparking a backlash against refugees.

00:35:23.000 You getting this?

00:35:24.000 In January, Celine Gorin was attacked by three men in the city of Mannheim and forced to perform a sex act. 1.00

00:35:30.000 Gorin, who works as a refugee activist and a spokeswoman of the left-wing organization Solid, told police her attackers spoke German and were a mixed group of foreigners and locals.

00:35:39.000 Twelve hours later, she returned to the police, admitted she lied.

00:35:42.000 Her attackers were all foreigners.

00:35:43.000 They were speaking Arabic and Farsi.

00:35:46.000 Why did she lie?

00:35:47.000 She said she wanted to avoid the controversy caused when a group of migrants sexually assaulted and robbed over a hundred people on New Year's Eve in Cologne.

00:35:54.000 She said, what really hurts me is that it is a fact that the sexist, over-the-line incident that happened to me will inevitably lead to more aggression and racism.

00:36:02.000 You getting this?

00:36:02.000 So she lied about the people who raped her because she didn't want it to cast dispersions on the group to which those people belong.

00:36:09.000 That's... This is suicidal leftism. 0.96

00:36:12.000 In a nutshell, this is suicidal leftism. 1.00

00:36:14.000 They'll bomb buildings, they'll shoot people in a nightclub, they'll rape women, but we can't name who the people are because we're afraid that it'll lead all of these crazy reactionary right-wing rednecks to go out and start killing Muslims in the streets. 0.99

00:36:26.000 Is it just possible that maybe we should be worried about a group of people, not Muslims generally, but a group of people who we can't vet? 0.99

00:36:33.000 You know, a group of people who have no concept of women's rights? 0.69

00:36:37.000 Should we maybe worry about that a little bit more than the average Swiss national? 0.70

00:36:41.000 I mean, this is nutty stuff.

00:36:42.000 You're willing to let the rapist get off because you don't want people to have misperceptions about the larger group?

00:36:49.000 This is, it's amazing, but this is the left in a nutshell.

00:36:51.000 The left is willing to allow the bad guys to get away with it because they think, in essence, they think that we're really the bad guys, right?

00:36:57.000 The people who rape this woman, they're not the bad guys. 0.98

00:36:59.000 The real bad guys are the people who post on internet forums about the people who rape these women and happen to be Muslim. 0.99

00:37:05.000 It's, it's amazing. 0.98

00:37:06.000 It's amazing.

00:37:06.000 Okay.

00:37:07.000 So, another thing that I hate.

00:37:08.000 So, the big news story of the day, and it's starting to gain a little bit of steam now, is this Alton Sterling shooting.

00:37:13.000 Alton Sterling is a fellow who lived in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and he was selling CDs.

00:37:19.000 37-year-old man, fatally shot by police on video after selling CDs.

00:37:23.000 And this is according to the New York Daily News.

00:37:25.000 He was nice.

00:37:26.000 He wasn't a bad guy.

00:37:27.000 A friend and customer, Darian Gardner, told The Advocate, after Sterling's brutal death, he was respectable.

00:37:32.000 So, we'll show you the video.

00:37:34.000 It really isn't graphic.

00:37:35.000 You really don't see much.

00:37:36.000 But, basically what happens is that the police take this guy down.

00:37:40.000 He's resisting arrest.

00:37:41.000 They tried to tase him.

00:37:42.000 Apparently, an anonymous 911 caller said Sterling was carrying a gun and threatened someone before he was killed outside the Triple S food mart.

00:37:49.000 A store owner named Abdullah Muflahi said he never saw Sterling get into a confrontation.

00:37:55.000 Apparently, he had started carrying a weapon after a friend was mugged.

00:37:58.000 This is according to the store owner.

00:38:00.000 So the police tackle him, and we'll watch the tape in a second.

00:38:03.000 The police tackle him, and they're on top of him, and then they start calling gun, and you see them shoot him.

00:38:09.000 Now, it is worth noting here that Sterling was a registered sex offender after a 2000 conviction for carnal knowledge of a juvenile. 0.97

00:38:17.000 Okay, it means that he raped a kid, presumably, or had sex with a kid. 0.92

00:38:20.000 That's what carnal knowledge of a juvenile means. 0.94

00:38:22.000 The circumstances of the case were not immediately clear.

00:38:24.000 He was released for his offense in October 2004.

00:38:27.000 He'd been arrested for aggravated battery, criminal damage to property, unauthorized and domestic abuse battery, unauthorized entry, domestic abuse battery.

00:38:34.000 He was sentenced to five years in prison in 2009 for marijuana possession and carrying an illegal weapon with a controlled dangerous substance.

00:38:41.000 He was on probation when he died.

00:38:43.000 He would not have been allowed to carry a gun.

00:38:45.000 So those are all the circumstances that we know.

00:38:46.000 That's from the New York Daily News, not from me, it's from the New York Daily News.

00:38:49.000 Okay, so now you know about Alton Sterling.

00:38:51.000 So here is the tape, and then we'll tell you what the reaction has been.

00:38:57.000 So you can't see this, it's somebody shooting through a car window, basically, so it's... it's...

00:39:02.000 You're hearing them yell, get on the ground, get on the ground.

00:39:04.000 Right, they shoot back up, and here are the cops.

00:39:06.000 They're tackling the guy, right, because he gets up.

00:39:09.000 He's resisting arrest.

00:39:10.000 They tackle him again.

00:39:11.000 Now you've got two officers on top of him.

00:39:14.000 You can't see his arms in this tape.

00:39:15.000 Right, you can't see the guy's arms.

00:39:17.000 And then, you're gonna see that one of the officers goes for his gun.

00:39:21.000 Right, you're gonna see that in a second.

00:39:23.000 They say, gun, gun.

00:39:25.000 They take out their guns.

00:39:27.000 And they're holding him down.

00:39:28.000 They're point-blank range.

00:39:30.000 Right?

00:39:30.000 And then, they start shooting.

00:39:32.000 Both officers draw their guns and start shooting.

00:39:37.000 And that's the entirety of the tape that you can see, right?

00:39:39.000 That is just people yelling.

00:39:40.000 Okay, so that's the entirety of the tape that you can see.

00:39:42.000 Now, if you're a jury, if you're a jury, let's put you in the spot of the jury for a second.

00:39:46.000 We're gonna do all three people, okay?

00:39:48.000 So we're gonna do the jury, we're gonna do the person on the ground, and we're gonna do the cops.

00:39:51.000 So, if you're the jury, you see this tape.

00:39:55.000 This tape looks like two officers at point-blank range shooting a guy.

00:39:59.000 It also is true that the officers are claiming, and the tape shows, they're shouting gun.

00:40:05.000 Like he's going for a gun.

00:40:06.000 Right?

00:40:06.000 Like he's going for a gun.

00:40:08.000 One thing you cannot see is his hands in this tape.

00:40:10.000 Right, Mathis?

00:40:11.000 Could you see his hands here?

00:40:12.000 You can't see his hands.

00:40:13.000 There's no way to see his hands in this tape because his hands are behind the car, so there's no way to tell what he's doing with his hands.

00:40:18.000 And if he goes for the gun with his hands, and his hands are free, and if he gets his hands on the gun,

00:40:22.000 Then presumably he could shoot one of the cops, right?

00:40:24.000 So there's no way to tell. 0.58

00:40:25.000 So, if I'm... This does not look like, you know, it doesn't look like, based on this evidence only, that this is a racially motivated killing based on this evidence.

00:40:34.000 Maybe it is!

00:40:34.000 Maybe there's another angle that shows that they just faked it, that they shouted gun.

00:40:39.000 By the way, he did have a gun on him, apparently, and they took a gun out of his pocket.

00:40:42.000 This is what one of the witnesses claims.

00:40:43.000 Now, witness testimony in this stuff is really tough because people have their biases.

00:40:46.000 Remember, in the Michael Brown case, there's witness testimony.

00:40:49.000 The original witness testimony was

00:40:51.000 In this tape, all you can see is what you can see.

00:40:52.000 I can't make conclusions based on what I can't see.

00:40:54.000 I can't see the guy's hands.

00:40:55.000 All I can see are the cops shouting, gun, and then shooting him.

00:41:06.000 That's all that I can see.

00:41:07.000 And I think that's all that anybody can see.

00:41:08.000 That's not stopping the left-wing press from turning this into, it's a lynching, he wasn't doing anything wrong, they shot him at point-blank range for no reason.

00:41:16.000 I don't know if it was for no reason.

00:41:17.000 Maybe it was, if I see an angle where he's not going for a gun and he's lying there docile.

00:41:22.000 You know, his hands are nowhere near his pockets, and he's not going for a gun, then yeah, this is a really bad kill, and they're going to jail, and they should go to jail.

00:41:29.000 But if all we have here is this, that's not enough to convict anybody.

00:41:32.000 And it's certainly not enough to suggest that these guys are just out there to do a racial killing, that this is just a racial lynching, just like all the other supposed racial lynchings in America. 0.92

00:41:41.000 By the way, if you were gonna go out and presumably just kill a black guy for fun, you wouldn't do it in a crowded area surrounded by other black people with cell phone cameras, I would assume. 0.99

00:41:49.000 But, again, maybe other tape comes out. 0.98

00:41:51.000 Now, there have been a couple suspicious things about this that have been reported.

00:41:54.000 I don't know if they're true yet, so we'll tell you what the rumors are, and then we'll see if they turn out to be true.

00:41:58.000 One is that they both had body cams on them, but because they were tackling the guy, the body cams stopped operating, which would be unfortunate.

00:42:06.000 If it turns out that's not true, I'm sure the tape will come out.

00:42:08.000 Apparently, also, there was some footage from different angles at the store, and the rumor was that the cops had gone in and taken the entire cameras,

00:42:15.000 Instead of releasing the footage, if that's true, obviously that's a problem too.

00:42:18.000 That's obstruction of justice, as well as presumably obstruction of justice over a first degree murder.

00:42:23.000 So, we'll find out if all of that's true, but just based on this tape, and that's all anybody's seen so far, just based on this tape, it's too early.

00:42:31.000 It's too early.

00:42:32.000 You have to reserve your judgment, right?

00:42:34.000 You have to reserve your judgment.

00:42:35.000 And you especially have to reserve your judgment based on the fact that the guy was resisting arrest, did have a gun in his pocket, had a prior history of run-ins with the cops,

00:42:44.000 Right, so you have to reserve judgment.

00:42:45.000 That's all.

00:42:45.000 I'm not saying the officers are innocent.

00:42:47.000 I'm not saying they're guilty.

00:42:48.000 You have to reserve judgment.

00:42:49.000 I don't know why this is so tough.

00:42:50.000 The left has a problem with reserving judgment.

00:42:52.000 So they'll reserve judgment about Hillary Clinton after all the facts are out, after all the facts are out, but before any of the facts are out in this case, they're already saying that these officers are guilty, and they should go to prison for life, and there are marches in the streets, and I'm sure President Obama will comment today about this is just another incident with racist police departments, etc., etc.

00:43:09.000 Because this is what the left does.

00:43:10.000 It doesn't matter if the evidence isn't out there.

00:43:12.000 And when I ask for evidence, that's not a bad thing.

00:43:14.000 Evidence is a good thing.

00:43:16.000 Evidence is a useful thing.

00:43:17.000 So we said, we'll be the jury.

00:43:18.000 So that's the jury perspective.

00:43:20.000 The guy on the ground's perspective?

00:43:21.000 Okay, so a couple of things about that.

00:43:23.000 Folks, for the love of God, don't resist arrest.

00:43:26.000 You resist arrest, all you're doing is putting yourself in an escalated situation.

00:43:29.000 You're putting yourself in a higher probability situation of something bad happening to you via the cops.

00:43:34.000 That doesn't mean that if you didn't grab for his gun, the cops didn't do something terribly wrong, obviously.

00:43:39.000 It does mean that, you know, for the sake of everybody, let's all not resist arrest.

00:43:43.000 Let's do that.

00:43:44.000 Now from the perspective of the cops.

00:43:46.000 Let's say, let's take it both ways.

00:43:48.000 One, if the guy didn't go for his gun and both cops just started shooting him, obviously terrible kill, they're going to jail, and they should go to jail.

00:43:55.000 Second, if you're in the cop mindset, and you've got a guy where you tase him and he doesn't go down, and then he resists arrest, and he doesn't go down, and then you tackle him, and he's still struggling against you, and then he starts to reach for a gun, you're not going to sit around waiting to see whether you go home that night.

00:44:08.000 If you reach for a gun, he's getting shot, and he's getting shot for good reason. 0.62

00:44:12.000 And the idea that these cops are working in a heavily black area like Baton Rouge, Louisiana, specifically because they want to target black people, it's a weird way to go about doing it. 0.95

00:44:20.000 It's a weird way to go about doing it.

00:44:21.000 So we'll see what it looks like when all the evidence is in, but people aren't waiting.

00:44:24.000 They're already broadcasting all of the incendiary footage on the news.

00:44:27.000 Alton Sterling's, who is this, his son?

00:44:29.000 Alton Sterling's son, I guess he had five kids, and he, and the son is obviously very upset that his dad got shot.

00:44:37.000 With that being said, the individuals involved in his murder

00:44:43.000 Took away a man with children who depended upon their daddy on a daily basis. 0.61

00:44:55.000 My son is not the youngest.

00:44:57.000 He is the oldest of his siblings.

00:45:01.000 He is 15 years old.

00:45:06.000 He had to watch this.

00:45:08.000 As this was put all over the outlet and everything that was possible to be shown.

00:45:18.000 And some may know Alton.

00:45:30.000 Sold CDs and was doing just that.

00:45:35.000 Not bothering anyone.

00:45:36.000 I had the consent of the store owners as well.

00:45:40.000 And then the event that recorded during the two officers.

00:45:45.000 Now if we could reflect on the measure of a man, it should not be judged on his past.

00:45:51.000 Okay, so she's saying don't pay attention to his criminal record.

00:45:55.000 All that's fine.

00:45:55.000 I mean, the incident is what the incident is, and his prior criminal history really doesn't matter very much.

00:46:01.000 Except that when the officers approach him, presumably they're going to be a little more wary knowing that he has a criminal history.

00:46:05.000 Heartbreaking footage, obviously, of the kid.

00:46:08.000 You see the guy there next to her wearing the Trayvon Martin hoodie, and I have to say that this generalized attempt to make every situation into a racist killing, even after the Trayvon Martin jury came back and said this was not a racial killing, Trayvon Martin was pounding this guy's head against the pavement, it's unfortunate.

00:46:24.000 It's unfortunate because

00:46:26.000 We should all have sympathy for the relatives of people who are killed wrongfully, obviously.

00:46:30.000 I mean, you can't watch that footage and not be heartbroken for the kid.

00:46:33.000 I mean, it's just awful, awful, awful all the way through.

00:46:36.000 But we don't know yet what happened.

00:46:37.000 We don't know yet what happened.

00:46:39.000 And it's a mistake to believe everything that's said by everybody on TV about these circumstances.

00:46:43.000 For example, Alton Sterling's aunt, right?

00:46:47.000 Here's what she had to say about the situation.

00:46:50.000 That there was an anonymous person who called 911

00:46:54.000 And said that there was a guy selling CDs, who we believe to be your nephew, who had threatened him with a gun.

00:47:01.000 Did your nephew have a gun?

00:47:03.000 No, my nephew would never have a gun because of his situation.

00:47:07.000 Meaning what?

00:47:08.000 He would never have a gun.

00:47:09.000 But what does that mean?

00:47:10.000 It means that he was kind of in a little trouble with the law.

00:47:15.000 He would never have a gun.

00:47:16.000 He was on probation.

00:47:17.000 But he was taken off.

00:47:19.000 But in the state of Louisiana, he cannot carry a weapon.

00:47:23.000 Because of his previous incident, he cannot carry a weapon.

00:47:29.000 And his previous incident, does he have a history of violence?

00:47:33.000 No, he don't have a history.

00:47:34.000 No.

00:47:35.000 No.

00:47:35.000 He was like a gentle giant.

00:47:38.000 Okay, gentle giant.

00:47:39.000 Okay, we'll stop it right there.

00:47:41.000 I mean, that's all that there is to say about this.

00:47:43.000 Gentle giant.

00:47:43.000 If you remember that phrase, that was the exact phrase, exact phrase used about Michael Brown, who was anything but a gentle giant.

00:47:50.000 Michael Brown, who had strong-armed a store five minutes beforehand.

00:47:54.000 People were calling him a gentle giant.

00:47:56.000 They're doing this routine now with this fellow.

00:47:58.000 He never would have had a gun.

00:47:59.000 How does she know that?

00:48:00.000 She doesn't know that, and it turns out that he did have a gun on him.

00:48:02.000 It turns out that he did have a gun on him.

00:48:03.000 So don't believe all of the witness testimony that you hear yet, not until there's verifiable proof, not until all the witnesses have come out, because immediately... See, people know, you know, witnesses know, that the media will descend on you during one of these shooting incidents, and they know the story that is going to

00:48:22.000 Push a particular point of view politically and in the media.

00:48:25.000 And there are people who are willing to reflect that.

00:48:27.000 Maybe they're telling the truth.

00:48:27.000 Maybe they are.

00:48:28.000 We'll see.

00:48:29.000 But don't buy everything first order.

00:48:31.000 And that's what we're watching.

00:48:32.000 We're watching Sally Cohn do this routine.

00:48:34.000 We're watching Amy Schumer coming out and suggesting that it's a bad shoot immediately without any of the evidence in at this point.

00:48:42.000 When she says that he was a gentle giant, the man was convicted for domestic abuse batteries.

00:48:47.000 There's that.

00:48:47.000 He was previously arrested for aggravated battery, which isn't just

00:48:51.000 You know, battery.

00:48:52.000 That's like bad battery.

00:48:53.000 That's like you beat someone up in a serious way.

00:48:56.000 So all I'm saying is, the tendency of the media is to immediately jump on these stories and turn them into the biggest racial deal in the world.

00:49:04.000 It's more important at this point to actually wait for all the facts to come out, and then we can make a judgment.

00:49:08.000 Then maybe I'm with you.

00:49:08.000 Then maybe I'm protesting with you.

00:49:10.000 But until I get all the facts, I can't protest anything, because I just don't know.

00:49:14.000 I just don't know what the facts are.

00:49:16.000 Well, we may have more of those facts tomorrow.

00:49:18.000 Hopefully we will.

00:49:19.000 Tomorrow, of course, is also the Mailbag.

00:49:20.000 So if you want to subscribe at dailywire.com, you too can be part of the vaunted Ben Shapiro Show Mailbag, the greatest mailbag in the history of the world, on the number one conservative podcast in America.

00:49:31.000 Thanks to you.

00:49:31.000 We'll be back tomorrow.

00:49:32.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - July 06, 2016

Ep. 145 - Hillary Lied, Media Focus on Trump

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