The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 147 - Racist, Lawless Obama Lies About Racism, Cops

00:00:01.000 In 2014, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio ripped the NYPD after the death of Eric Garner, who was subjected to a submission hold by the police during an arrest for selling loose cigarettes and then died of a heart attack.

00:00:11.000 De Blasio, if you remember, went on national TV and he said, quote,

00:00:18.000 He's trained them to be very careful when they have an encounter with a police officer.

00:00:22.000 He then said he told his own son, who's black, about the supposed racism of the police.

00:00:26.000 He said, quote,

00:00:43.000 That isn't actually the reality in this country, by the way.

00:00:45.000 A New York Times piece today quotes a study saying that black people are significantly less likely to be shot by cops than white people in similar circumstances.

00:00:54.000 20% less likely, actually.

00:00:55.000 But those lies matter. 0.96

00:00:57.000 Days after de Blasio made his statements, two NYPD officers, Wenjin Liu and Rafael Ramos, were murdered in cold blood by black criminal Ismael Brinsley, who pledged to put, quote, wings on pigs.

00:01:07.000 When de Blasio attended the funeral for Ramos, hundreds of officers openly turned their backs on him.

00:01:12.000 De Blasio wasn't responsible for the officers' deaths, but he was certainly responsible for slandering them before their murders.

00:01:18.000 In Dallas, officers should do the same to Obama.

00:01:21.000 Obama's supposed to stop by tomorrow and give the eulogy for five officers who were murdered last week.

00:01:26.000 Obama's not responsible for the murder of Dallas police officers.

00:01:29.000 I wrote that last week.

00:01:30.000 But, like Bill de Blasio, he is absolutely responsible for slandering them before they were murdered.

00:01:36.000 Hours before the massacre, Obama said that cop shootings in Louisiana and Minnesota, both of which were under investigation and about which Obama said he knew nothing, were, quote, not isolated incidents.

00:01:45.000 They're symptomatic of a broader set of racial disparities that exist in our criminal justice system.

00:01:50.000 Obama then reeled off a list of stats designed to show systemic racism against black people by cops, ignoring, of course, higher rates of criminality in the black community.

00:01:59.000 He added, quote, When incidents like this occur, there's a big chunk of our fellow citizenry that feels as if because of the color of their skin, they're not being treated the same, and that hurts.

00:02:08.000 But that should trouble all of us.

00:02:09.000 But there are a large number of cops who feel, rightly, that because of the color of their uniform, they aren't treated the same.

00:02:15.000 The president doesn't wait for evidence before he says they're racists.

00:02:18.000 He doesn't separate off the bad apples from the rest of the community.

00:02:21.000 He simply talks about institutional racism and provides no solutions, and then he postures for the cameras.

00:02:26.000 After the Dallas massacre, Obama is still pretending that he's bewildered at the motivation for the shootings.

00:02:31.000 He says, quote, I think it's very hard to untangle the motives of the shooter.

00:02:35.000 He had no such problems ascribing motivations to police officers without any evidence at all.

00:02:40.000 And he's been doing this for years.

00:02:41.000 Back in 2014, just before the shootings of Lou and Ramos, Obama condemned the cops.

00:02:46.000 He said racism was, quote, something deeply rooted in our society.

00:02:49.000 It's deeply rooted in our history.

00:02:51.000 There's a reason that the vicious, vacuous Black Lives Matter movement has taken off under Obama. 1.00

00:02:55.000 He's incentivized them, he's backed them, he's supported their evidence-free argument that the criminal justice system is inherently racist.

00:03:02.000 That movement, with Democrat help, has dramatically polarized race relations in the country, and that has a real predictable effect, including less trust of police in black communities and greater anger at police departments.

00:03:12.000 Police have every right to be angry at President Obama, the president who slanders them.

00:03:16.000 They should show it instead of allowing President Obama to use their funerals for the officers he slandered for his own brand of political agitprop.

00:03:24.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:03:25.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:03:33.000 All right, so here we are.

00:03:34.000 It was a terrible weekend all the way across the board.

00:03:37.000 It was an awful weekend, obviously.

00:03:38.000 We've seen a spate of shootings and attacks on cops.

00:03:41.000 In about 15 minutes, Dinesh D'Souza, who's the director and producer of Hillary's America, is gonna be stopping by.

00:03:47.000 That movie comes out just before the Republican Convention, so we'll be talking with Dinesh about Hillary, about the convention, about all this stuff, and we can't wait for that.

00:03:54.000 So it'll be about 10 minutes here, so stick around for that.

00:03:56.000 We're doing an extra special long version of Facebook Live today, so congratulations to you.

00:04:01.000 Because you're the lucky ones.

00:04:03.000 But let's start off with the situation in Dallas.

00:04:06.000 So over the weekend on Friday or Thursday night, 11 cops get shot, 5 are killed by this black terrorist, essentially, who says that he's doing it in revenge for the killings of Elton Sterling in Louisiana and Philandra Castile in Minnesota.

00:04:25.000 Now, we played the tapes of those on the show last week, and as we said, the evidence just wasn't out.

00:04:30.000 I mean, neither case do you actually know what happened.

00:04:32.000 In one case, actually in Philando Castile's case, there are new facts coming out suggesting that when the police officer pulled them over, he pulled them over not for a broken taillight, but he pulled them over rather because he thought that Philando Castile was an armed robbery suspect, actually.

00:04:46.000 But, which changes the scenario because you're going to go in a little bit more geared up to get violent if things go wrong, if you're pulling over an armed robbery suspect as opposed to a broken taillight.

00:04:56.000 But putting all that aside, 11 cops get shot, and President Obama, all of a sudden President Obama doesn't know why this is happening.

00:05:03.000 He can't understand why any of this is happening.

00:05:05.000 So, I want to start with the lead-up, because the timeline here really matters.

00:05:09.000 The timeline here really matters.

00:05:11.000 So, let's start with President Obama.

00:05:12.000 This was last Thursday, and he says, no, you know, the shootings of Philando Castile and Alton Sterling, these shootings are not, they aren't isolated incidents.

00:05:23.000 There's nothing new about this.

00:05:24.000 Here's President Obama last Thursday morning.

00:05:26.000 But what I can say is that all of us as Americans should be troubled

00:05:36.000 We're good to go.

00:05:54.000 Okay, so, first of all, that's not true.

00:05:57.000 Right?

00:05:57.000 It's not true.

00:05:57.000 These are isolated incidents.

00:05:58.000 You know how I can tell these are isolated incidents?

00:06:00.000 Because I know all their names.

00:06:01.000 I know all their names.

00:06:03.000 You know, when there's a scandal in the IRS to target all of the various conservative groups, can you name the names of the groups that were targeted?

00:06:10.000 You can't, right?

00:06:10.000 Because there are hundreds of them.

00:06:12.000 When you talk about wrong police shootings, controversial police shootings, you can name them off.

00:06:16.000 I can too, right?

00:06:17.000 You can talk about Walter Skye, you can talk about Tamir Rice, you can talk about Alton Sterling, you can talk about Philando Castile, you can talk about Freddie Gray, right?

00:06:24.000 We know all the names, even in situations where the cops didn't do anything wrong because they get blown up by the media into these massive stories.

00:06:31.000 But the reality is that there is no great spate of innocent black people being shot by the cops.

00:06:36.000 It just doesn't exist.

00:06:38.000 It is made up.

00:06:39.000 This New York Times study today says so. 1.00

00:06:42.000 It says openly, they call it surprising, it's only surprising for people who are idiots or have a political agenda. 0.99

00:06:46.000 It's not surprising at all that there's no great spate of black people being shot who are innocent by the police, just like there's no great spate of wrongfully arrested black people going to prison in the United States. 0.99

00:06:56.000 Black people are going to the prison in precisely the numbers that black people are committing crimes in the United States. 0.99

00:07:02.000 Crime reports, not arrests, crime reports line up directly with convictions almost. 0.97

00:07:07.000 And this has been true for 30 years in this country.

00:07:09.000 And there's no bias in crime reports.

00:07:11.000 It's the person who's the victim of the crime calling it in.

00:07:14.000 But the left doesn't want to say anything about that because then the left would actually be forced to come up with actual solutions.

00:07:19.000 So President Obama says that, right?

00:07:20.000 He says that to cops, it's a widespread systemic problem. 0.97

00:07:23.000 I would argue there's a bigger problem with black people committing crimes and then getting into confrontation with cops. 1.00

00:07:28.000 The fact is that if you're a cop, the average cop is 18 times more likely to be shot by a black man than a black man is likely to be shot by a cop in the United States. 0.95

00:07:37.000 And President Obama doesn't care about actual statistics that matter.

00:07:40.000 He just throws out statistics like they're more black people than white people in prison on a proportionate level, which is irrelevant.

00:07:46.000 The question is what level of crime is being committed.

00:07:48.000 But he goes out there and he says there's a systemic problem.

00:07:50.000 I don't know anything about these cases.

00:07:52.000 I love that when he says, I don't know anything about these particular cases, but I can tell you everybody's a racist.

00:07:56.000 I don't know, but everyone's a racist.

00:07:58.000 So he does that routine.

00:08:00.000 Hours later, 11 cops get shot.

00:08:02.000 Eleven of them, right?

00:08:03.000 In the biggest assault on cops since 9-11.

00:08:05.000 Seriously, this is the single greatest cop death incident since 9-11 in the United States.

00:08:11.000 And then the president comes out, and suddenly cops are heroes.

00:08:14.000 Suddenly cops are wonderful people.

00:08:15.000 Here is President Obama on Friday.

00:08:17.000 He comes out the next morning.

00:08:18.000 And not only are the cops wonderful people, but he can understand that, you know, he actually knows the real reason behind the shooting.

00:08:25.000 And the real reason wasn't anti-white, anti-cop bigotry.

00:08:28.000 No, the real reason was something else.

00:08:30.000 Here's President Obama Friday morning.

00:08:32.000 I also said yesterday that our police have an extraordinarily difficult job, and the vast majority of them do their job in outstanding fashion.

00:08:48.000 I also indicated the degree to which we need to be supportive of those officers who do their job each and every day, protecting us and protecting our communities.

00:09:00.000 Today is a wrenching reminder of the sacrifices that they make for us.

00:09:07.000 Okay, so suddenly the cops are the heroes, right?

00:09:08.000 The vast majority of cops are wonderful.

00:09:10.000 Remember, his original statement was, the vast majority of cops are wonderful, but... And you know, one of the rules here on the Ben Shapiro Show, if you say but, everything that came before the but doesn't matter.

00:09:20.000 He says, the vast majority of cops are wonderful, but...

00:09:23.000 There's a systemic racism problem.

00:09:25.000 Well, you can't have it both ways.

00:09:26.000 Either the vast majority are wonderful and there's no systemic problem, or there's a systemic problem and that means that you can't trust the cops, really.

00:09:33.000 Because that systemic problem has to exist somewhere, unless there's some sort of subgroup of every police department.

00:09:39.000 Some rogue cops in every police department who are organizing on their own.

00:09:42.000 The idea is that it's a top-down problem, right?

00:09:44.000 If it's a top-down problem, you can't say all the cops are great.

00:09:46.000 But now all the cops are his best friends.

00:09:48.000 And not only are the cops his best friends, but the real reason behind the shooting in Dallas had nothing to do with anti-cop bigotry.

00:09:56.000 It didn't have to do with racial polarization, helped along by this president.

00:09:59.000 In 2010, I think it was only 13% of Americans considered race relations to be a serious problem in the country.

00:10:06.000 By April 2016, it was 35%.

00:10:08.000 That's because of President Obama and his rhetoric.

00:10:10.000 Not because anything on the ground has changed.

00:10:12.000 There have been less deaths on the ground every year up to 2014 when Obama's rhetoric started to take hold, when the Ferguson movement started to take place, when Black Lives Matter came around, and crime started to rise.

00:10:23.000 Crime both against cops and generally.

00:10:25.000 But President Obama knows the real reason behind the Dallas shootings.

00:10:28.000 The real reason is, you guessed it, gun control.

00:10:30.000 Yes, lack of gun control.

00:10:32.000 See, the guy had a gun.

00:10:32.000 That was the real problem.

00:10:34.000 We also know that when people are armed with powerful weapons, unfortunately it makes attacks like these more deadly and more tragic.

00:10:45.000 And in the days ahead, we're going to have to consider those realities as well.

00:10:49.000 Okay, so, just to be straight here, 0.60

00:10:52.000 When a white guy shoots up a black church in Charleston, South Carolina, that's the fault of the Confederate flag and Christian conservatives. 0.99

00:10:58.000 When an Orlando jihadist shoots up a gay nightclub, that's the fault of guns and white Christian conservatives. 0.99

00:11:05.000 When Gabby Giffords gets shot, that's Sarah Palin's fault, and also the fault of guns. 0.98

00:11:10.000 When a Planned Parenthood is targeted in Colorado by a crazy person, that's the fault of the pro-life movement.

00:11:16.000 But, it's never the fault, it's never the fault of the guy who is out there shooting at cops when you push anti-cop rhetoric.

00:11:23.000 That's never the fault, and then it's the gun again.

00:11:25.000 It's amazing how this works, isn't it?

00:11:26.000 It's just, it's so curious.

00:11:27.000 Just like, if there are rogue cops, if there are cops who do bad things, they're not bad apples, they're evidence of a systemic problem.

00:11:34.000 But, if a guy who sympathized with Black Lives Matter goes out and shoots a bunch of people, that has nothing to do with the Black Lives Matter movement.

00:11:40.000 You noticing the double standard here?

00:11:42.000 Here's my view.

00:11:43.000 The Black Lives Matter movement is not responsible for this guy shooting cops.

00:11:46.000 They're responsible for an increase in confrontations with cops.

00:11:49.000 They're responsible for an increase in crime.

00:11:51.000 They're responsible for cops pulling out of inner cities.

00:11:53.000 They're responsible for all those things.

00:11:55.000 But they're not responsible for that violence, because unless you're actively promoting violence, you're not responsible for the violence.

00:12:01.000 That doesn't mean you're not doing anything wrong, however.

00:12:03.000 And President Obama has done something deeply wrong.

00:12:05.000 He slanders cops on a daily basis.

00:12:07.000 He's literally been doing it for years.

00:12:09.000 And he's not the only one.

00:12:10.000 Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton did the exact same thing.

00:12:12.000 He doesn't wait for the facts to come in on Philando Castile, this story in Minnesota.

00:12:17.000 He doesn't wait for any of that to come in.

00:12:18.000 He immediately declares that if Philando Castile had been white, he would still be alive today.

00:12:23.000 The governor went a step further.

00:12:24.000 Would this have happened if those passengers, the driver and the passenger, were white?

00:12:28.000 I don't think it would have.

00:12:29.000 Okay, well, thank you for that wonderfully ill-informed opinion, Governor Dayton.

00:12:34.000 That was definitely useful.

00:12:36.000 Even the head of the Department of Homeland Security, Jay Johnson, even he came out and he said, it's totally premature to say anything about that shooting.

00:12:42.000 We don't know anything yet.

00:12:43.000 Do you agree, Mr. Johnson, with what Governor Dayton of Minnesota said?

00:12:46.000 That if Philando Castile had been white, he'd be alive today? 0.86

00:12:53.000 I'm not in a position to comment on that.

00:12:56.000 That matter is under investigation.

00:12:59.000 Very often situations like this are pretty complicated.

00:13:03.000 And so I want to resist labels like that that may be premature.

00:13:09.000 I think we ought to let the investigation play itself out.

00:13:12.000 There ought to be something that's

00:13:14.000 That's fairly swift, transparent, and, if necessary, accountability.

00:13:19.000 Well, that's awkward.

00:13:20.000 That's awkward.

00:13:21.000 But here's the thing.

00:13:22.000 The only thing that's actually going to help is more evidence, not less, more cops, not fewer.

00:13:26.000 That's the only thing that's going to be a solution here.

00:13:28.000 But the left isn't interested in solutions.

00:13:30.000 The left is interested in posturing and preening and posing about the racism of the system.

00:13:35.000 Ask yourself this.

00:13:35.000 What's their solution?

00:13:36.000 Have you heard any solutions from them? 0.96

00:13:38.000 All they keep saying is, if you don't recognize the plight of black people, you're part of the problem.

00:13:42.000 Okay, but you have to give me a solution to the problem in order for me to be part of the solution.

00:13:47.000 So I guess the solution is that we're supposed to sit around and talk about our feelings?

00:13:49.000 Is that the solution?

00:13:51.000 Because that's all I get from these folks.

00:13:53.000 Is if you don't recognize our feelings, then you're part of the problem.

00:13:55.000 And we're going to talk about the whole feelings aspect of this in a minute, in a little while.

00:14:00.000 Because the fact is, I think that Republicans and Democrats are now, we're all part of this feelings society, where facts don't matter at all.

00:14:06.000 As you know, I don't care about feelings, hardly at all.

00:14:08.000 If you're not a member of my immediate family,

00:14:10.000 Really don't care about your feelings.

00:14:12.000 I have very little interest in your feelings.

00:14:13.000 You're not my wife, you're not my children, I don't care. 1.00

00:14:17.000 You have family of your own, that's what they're for.

00:14:19.000 My job is to tell you the truth regardless of what your feelings are, and I know that sounds harsh, but the problem is when you have politicians who claim that they care about your feelings, they don't care about your feelings, they're lying to you.

00:14:29.000 What they're really saying is, we're going to play to your feelings so we don't have to do the things for you we're supposed to do.

00:14:34.000 We don't have to change the facts on the ground. 0.96

00:14:36.000 All we have to do is scream about racism and continue to maintain that the inner city should be crap for the next 50 years, as they have been for the last 50 years. 0.98

00:14:43.000 All these Democrats out there screaming about racism. 0.99

00:14:45.000 Obama screaming about racism.

00:14:46.000 Has life gotten better for black people?

00:14:48.000 Under President Obama?

00:14:49.000 Of course not.

00:14:50.000 Of course not.

00:14:51.000 Violence is going up, not down.

00:14:52.000 And there's President Obama saying the real problem isn't him, it's the white folks who refuse to acknowledge the genius of his rhetoric.

00:15:00.000 We're going to stop there right now.

00:15:01.000 We're going to bring in Dinesh D'Souza.

00:15:02.000 He's got a new movie out.

00:15:04.000 Hillary's America and and he is obviously the the producer director of 2016 Obama's America and and the multiple New York Times best-selling author And and Dinesh is is one of the geniuses of the movement and I think the best analyst of the Obama era So now I guess I'll be the best analyst of the Hillary era too because as you know I'm a pessimist on everything which means that I'm always right eventually And so I think that Hillary Clinton will probably be the next president which makes me want to vomit and never stop vomiting

00:15:34.000 But that also means that Dinesh is going to be vital in sort of exposing what the Hillary era is all about.

00:15:41.000 So Dinesh, thanks so much for coming on.

00:15:43.000 Really appreciate it.

00:15:44.000 It's good to be here.

00:15:45.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:15:46.000 And to all the people who are watching on Facebook Live, Dinesh D'Souza, obviously.

00:15:49.000 Okay, so let's talk about Hillary's America. 0.98

00:15:51.000 So this comes out July 22nd.

00:15:53.000 Do you think that, you obviously analyzed President Obama through the perspective of his anti-colonialist, anti-imperialist background.

00:16:02.000 Which is a deeply ideologically rooted background.

00:16:04.000 Do you think that Hillary is an ideological animal or is she just driven for her own self-aggrandizement or both? 1.00

00:16:11.000 I think that Hillary is driven by a kind of gangsterism, and by that I mean self-aggrandizement, not just in terms of money, but power and control. 1.00

00:16:20.000 This is a woman who would enjoy having a kind of mob boss rule over the United States. 1.00

00:16:25.000 Now, there's a gangsterism, as you know, in Obama, but it's different.

00:16:29.000 I think with Obama it's a gangsterism of means.

00:16:32.000 So Obama has ideological goals.

00:16:34.000 Shrink America's wealth and power.

00:16:36.000 He's willing to skirt around the law, the immigration law, the Defense of Marriage Act, welfare reform, even Obamacare is selectively implemented.

00:16:45.000 That's the gangsterism of means.

00:16:47.000 But I think with Hillary, you have a gangsterism of means and of ends. 1.00

00:16:50.000 That makes her different. 0.93

00:16:51.000 Okay, so does that mean that she's going to be better or worse in terms of America?

00:16:55.000 Because Obama, in my opinion, is the worst president in the history of the country.

00:16:59.000 The only one who even comes close is James Buchanan.

00:17:02.000 If that's true, do you think it's better that she's non-ideologically gangsterish?

00:17:06.000 I mean, if she's only out for herself, then presumably she's corrupt. 0.99

00:17:10.000 Maybe we can pay her off or something.

00:17:11.000 Well, this is it, actually.

00:17:12.000 You know, Plutarch has an essay on flattery, and he actually talks about how you can use flattery with a tyrant to basically make him feel good about himself and temper his appetites.

00:17:22.000 Look, I think that would work with Bill Clinton. 0.57

00:17:24.000 If you look at Bill and Hillary, they're both gangsterish.

00:17:26.000 And they've been gangsters together, sort of Bonnie and Clyde, if you will.

00:17:30.000 But in this case, Bonnie, namely Bill, has a more circumscribed set of ambitions.

00:17:35.000 He's more limited.

00:17:36.000 If you kowtow to Bill, if you give him the biggest office, if you give him women to service him and so on, he's happy.

00:17:42.000 That's it.

00:17:42.000 That's all he wants.

00:17:44.000 Hillary is not like that. 1.00

00:17:46.000 Hillary's ambitions, I think, are much more totalitarian, if I may use that word, more tyrannical. 0.64

00:17:52.000 She actually enjoys sort of having other people under her thumb.

00:17:57.000 She's not content with the kind of normal human satisfactions that, say, Bill would be.

00:18:02.000 She has a totally different agenda. 0.89

00:18:03.000 She's scarier, in my view, than even Obama. 0.94

00:18:05.000 So where do you think this springs from, this sort of totalitarian ambition of Hillary Clinton's, this corruption?

00:18:12.000 Well, here's an interesting thing.

00:18:14.000 When we talk about Alinsky, now Alinsky is a sort of interesting mentor of both Obama and Hillary, but Obama never knew Alinsky.

00:18:20.000 Obama kept going back to Chicago, he kept hearing about Alinsky, but he studied under the Alinskyites.

00:18:26.000 Hillary met Alinsky in high school and then brought him to Wellesley, wrote a thesis on him.

00:18:31.000 Now, Elinsky, we always talk about Elinsky.

00:18:33.000 He was a radical and he was a leftist, but he was also a kind of a gangster-ish guy. 0.98

00:18:38.000 He was a thief. 0.99

00:18:39.000 He was a petty thief on the streets of Chicago. 0.97

00:18:41.000 When he was in college, he said he figured out all these rackets for how he could eat for free and he would hold seminars on how you could eat for free.

00:18:48.000 And then later, he hung out with the 42nd Street Gang and the Capone Gang.

00:18:52.000 And then he says, I took all these lessons about extortion and I applied them to politics.

00:18:56.000 We're good to go.

00:19:12.000 We're good to go.

00:19:30.000 But even that is one step short of being in the White House, when you basically have innumerable SWAT teams at your disposal.

00:19:37.000 You have an unbelievable military apparatus of power that you can deploy, in this case, against your own citizens.

00:19:44.000 It's almost terrifying to contemplate.

00:19:46.000 So what do you think her priorities are going to be as president? 0.99

00:19:49.000 I mean, we talk about personal self-aggrandizement, but she obviously has political priorities, too. 0.99

00:19:53.000 I mean, there have been demagogues from the right.

00:19:56.000 Presumably, she'll be a demagogue from the left. 0.99

00:19:58.000 So what are her top priorities, do you think?

00:20:00.000 Well, I think she's gonna, and I think Obama sees this, I mean, there was no love lost between the Clintons and Obamas, but I think Obama decided at the end of the day, you know, sort of, Hillary is my, sort of, successor godfather.

00:20:11.000 If you're gonna have the godfather ceremony, it's gotta be Hillary. 1.00

00:20:13.000 Can't be Biden.

00:20:14.000 It's not gonna be, you know, Bernie Sanders, Rip Van Winkle, who just got off his neighbor's couch after a 20-year nap, you know.

00:20:21.000 It's gonna have to be someone as tough as, you know, Hillary's tenacious. 1.00

00:20:24.000 She's nothing if not tenacious.

00:20:26.000 This is a woman who puts her head down and marches, and you have to bludgeon her to the ground and sit on her, otherwise she's going to keep going. 1.00

00:20:33.000 And Obama sees that and he goes, you know, that's what I want.

00:20:36.000 So I think for Obama, ideology is the goal.

00:20:40.000 Hillary likes the ideology because the ideology supplies her with the power. 1.00

00:20:43.000 In other words, the degree the government has control over the education industry, the healthcare industry, the energy industry, that allows Hillary to tell everybody what to do. 1.00

00:20:52.000 Right, so it's a vehicle for her, basically. 0.69

00:20:54.000 Right.

00:20:54.000 Okay, so that being the case, let's assume that Hillary wins.

00:20:58.000 Is there anyone who can even stop her at that point?

00:21:01.000 Because the executive branch has become so incredibly powerful over the course of the last hundred years.

00:21:07.000 Can Congress do anything to stop her if she's the president of the United States? 1.00

00:21:10.000 And if not,

00:21:12.000 What I'm seeing and what I'm unfortunately going into a little bit of Nostradamus mode, what I'm seeing here is states beginning to resist the federal government and the real possibility of things getting very ugly in this country pretty quickly.

00:21:25.000 I mean, we might be talking about the case for peaceful secession.

00:21:29.000 Look, here's the thing.

00:21:30.000 There are times when there are incidents in American politics that wake people up.

00:21:35.000 Before the Civil War, it was John Brown.

00:21:37.000 Not just John Brown, the caning by Preston Brooks of Sumner on the Senate floor.

00:21:45.000 This told the North that you couldn't deal with the South, that things were out of hand and that you had to go to sterner measures.

00:21:52.000 These Republicans have been so sluggish and lethargic.

00:21:56.000 And Hillary is meanwhile emboldened. 0.99

00:21:59.000 Every time she beats the posse, so to speak, in this latest vindication, the FBI, she's like, I did it again!

00:22:05.000 So it licenses her and it tells her, I can get away with anything.

00:22:08.000 And so this is a woman now empowered and unleashed, I think, in a way that we need to take notice of.

00:22:14.000 So Hillary's America is the name of the movie, and it's not just about Hillary.

00:22:17.000 It's also about the Democratic Party and its rather nefarious history.

00:22:21.000 So how deeply do you delve into the history of the Democratic Party?

00:22:24.000 Why do you think it matters what Andrew Jackson did to what's happening 170 years later?

00:22:29.000 Let's take that example because I think it's illuminating.

00:22:32.000 So Andrew Jackson, now Andrew Jackson, there's a big debate about Andrew Jackson and his patriotism and so on and should he be on the $20 bill.

00:22:39.000 Here's something interesting.

00:22:40.000 While Jackson was conducting his sort of wars with the American Indians, there's a whole side of Jackson that is not well known.

00:22:47.000 And Jackson basically would send in his own surveyors.

00:22:51.000 Because he knew I'm going to be vacating all these acres of Indian land. 1.00

00:22:54.000 And then he'd say, go survey the land and determine its value.

00:22:56.000 Come tell me.

00:22:57.000 They'd come tell him.

00:22:58.000 And then he'd go to investors and say, guys, this land is going to be put up for sale in three months.

00:23:03.000 Let's be first in there and put in our bids.

00:23:06.000 And so Jackson went basically from dead broke

00:23:09.000 To becoming one of the richest men in the United States, having a huge plantation.

00:23:13.000 He had 150 slaves.

00:23:15.000 And how did he afford that?

00:23:16.000 He did that because he got rich off of politics.

00:23:18.000 So here's my point.

00:23:19.000 There's a straight line to be traced from the land stealing policies of Andrew Jackson right to the Clinton Foundation.

00:23:27.000 In a sense, the modus operandi is not that different.

00:23:29.000 Do you think there's any optimism for the future of the country when people like this are being elected?

00:23:34.000 I mean, we've had eight years of Obama.

00:23:35.000 The polls right now show that Hillary is beating Trump in virtually every poll except for Rasmussen.

00:23:41.000 Is there any hope for a comeback here, or are people too dependent on a government this corrupt and this bloated?

00:23:47.000 You know, I don't know the answer to that.

00:23:48.000 I mean, as you know, I've been a writer and speaker most of my career.

00:23:51.000 I've been a think tank guy at AEI and the Hoover Institution.

00:23:54.000 The reason I'm going to make movies is I feel like this is a way to reach people.

00:24:00.000 Not just reach more people, but reach people not just through the head, but through the heart.

00:24:03.000 You were a little harsh on feelings.

00:24:07.000 That's my shtick.

00:24:23.000 Now, we can get this movie to conservatives.

00:24:25.000 We need to get the movie to independents and the kind of people who are on the fence.

00:24:29.000 But one way to help us is to go see the movie early.

00:24:32.000 It's a sort of dirty secret of movies that if a movie blows it out and does fantastically opening weekend, it explodes all over the country.

00:24:39.000 And Hollywood watches it.

00:24:40.000 And so, if you're planning to see this film, go opening weekend because you can put fuel in our rocket.

00:24:45.000 Okay, so the movie comes out July 22nd and obviously that's right before the convention.

00:24:51.000 What do you think is going to happen?

00:24:52.000 You're going to be in Cleveland for the convention.

00:24:54.000 We'll be in Cleveland for the Republican and then we'll be in Philadelphia the following week.

00:24:58.000 We're opening the movie in between.

00:24:59.000 You have good security.

00:25:01.000 Yes, we do.

00:25:02.000 To me, also being on the front line is part of the way I protect myself because if the producer and narrator of Hillary's America disappears, who's the main suspect?

00:25:14.000 The point is that we're opening it because the Democrats will put on this big

00:25:17.000 We're good to go.

00:25:34.000 In 1,500 theaters across the country.

00:25:56.000 It's hilarysamericathemovie.com.

00:26:12.000 Yeah, Regnery is publishing a book by me, same title, and the book has chapter and verse.

00:26:16.000 I mean, people have seen the movie in previews, their jaws drop, and they go, is this really all true?

00:26:20.000 And I'm like, yes, it is true, and it's all very well supported.

00:26:23.000 I mean, this is a genius, the intellectual genius of the Democrats is they've taken all the things they did.

00:26:28.000 And blame them on the South, or the Republicans, or America.

00:26:33.000 America did this.

00:26:34.000 America did that. 0.68

00:26:35.000 No, America didn't do it. 1.00

00:26:36.000 You did it.

00:26:37.000 If America did it, we're still going on.

00:26:39.000 But obviously there were some Americans that stopped it.

00:26:41.000 Right?

00:26:41.000 So one group of Americans did these things.

00:26:43.000 Slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, the Ku Klux Klan, lynching, forced sterilization, the internment of the Japanese.

00:26:49.000 I could go on.

00:26:50.000 You've got this huge sorted list of crimes.

00:26:53.000 And the Democratic Party is deeply implicated in the worst horrors of American history.

00:26:57.000 A story that is simply left out of our textbooks.

00:26:59.000 What do you think is the through line for the Democratic Party there?

00:27:01.000 Because what they would argue is, oh, we repudiated all of our racism back in the 1960s with the Civil Rights Act, and we repudiated slavery in the 1960s based on the Civil Rights Act, and we've repudiated our various totalitarian tendencies because we're so tolerant and open about everybody and everything.

00:27:17.000 Do you think there's been any change in the Democratic Party?

00:27:20.000 Or what unifies the ideology that undergirds all of those activities?

00:27:25.000 Well, first of all, I'd say two things about that.

00:27:26.000 First of all, if you look at the civil rights legislation, not just the Civil Rights Act of 64, but the Voting Rights Act of 65, the Fair Housing Bill of 68, more Republicans proportionally voted for those things than Democrats.

00:27:39.000 If the Democratic Party was the only party in America, and there were no Republicans in the House or the Senate, none of those bills would have passed.

00:27:46.000 The main opposition to all that civil rights legislation came from Democrats.

00:27:50.000 So, those are three significant facts about the Civil Rights Bill.

00:27:54.000 Now, the Democrats have, in a way, changed their racket.

00:27:57.000 They haven't changed who they are, but they've changed the way they go about things.

00:28:03.000 Remarkably, what they've done, and you alluded to this a little bit earlier, they have recreated the plantation.

00:28:09.000 We're good to go.

00:28:25.000 Democratic mayors, democratic superintendents, democratic this, democratic that.

00:28:29.000 And if you look at the life over there, and then look at life on the old plantation, think about it.

00:28:35.000 There's a kind of chilling similarity.

00:28:37.000 Ramshackle housing, high rates of crime, the family structure in disarray, illegitimacy is a way of life.

00:28:43.000 Everyone is sort of provided for.

00:28:44.000 Even under slavery, if you got sick, they called a doctor.

00:28:47.000 So everyone is provided for, but nobody gets ahead.

00:28:50.000 It's sort of a school from which no one ever graduates.

00:28:53.000 And the Democrats have it, and they have it under their control, and it works for them politically.

00:28:58.000 And so, in a way, you can even find interesting similarities between the old John Calhoun, slavery is a positive good, slavery is good for the slave.

00:29:07.000 And you look at the justifications now for the misery of the inner city, for which the Democrats won't take responsibility.

00:29:13.000 There's a kind of beautiful way in which all of this comes together, and I think it's gonna get people thinking.

00:29:19.000 There's an intellectual content to this movie that's gonna be arresting.

00:29:22.000 So as we say, it's Hillary's America, it's coming out July 22nd.

00:29:24.000 You should take not only your family and friends, you should try and find an independent and drag them there. 1.00

00:29:28.000 And if you can find a Democrat and drag them there, first of all, don't be friends with them.

00:29:31.000 But if you're going to be friends with Democrats, find a Democrat to be friends with and drag them to see Dinesh's new film.

00:29:36.000 It's opening in wide release, 1,500 theaters, and I'm sure that it's going to blow out the box offices the last couple have.

00:29:41.000 So, Dinesh, thanks so much for stopping by.

00:29:43.000 It's really wonderful to see you.

00:29:44.000 My pleasure.

00:29:45.000 And we'll see you at the premiere night, hopefully.

00:29:46.000 Look forward to it.

00:29:47.000 That'll be a lot of fun.

00:29:47.000 Okay, folks, so that comes to the end of our Facebook Live here.

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00:29:57.000 And we're going to be talking a lot more about Dallas very shortly.

00:30:00.000 We're going to talk about Republican response to Dallas and all the rest.

00:30:04.000 So go over to dailywired.com right now.

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00:30:09.000 So, back to the story on Dallas.

00:30:10.000 So, it's not just Democrats who have been trotting out this false narrative about Dallas.

00:30:14.000 It was gun control, we don't know the motive, we don't know what was behind all of this.

00:30:32.000 They've been ripping on cops for generations, right? 0.97

00:30:35.000 Cops are racist. 0.99

00:30:36.000 Cops are terrible. 1.00

00:30:37.000 Cops are awful. 0.90

00:30:38.000 And then as soon as something bad happens to cops, oh, well, no, cops are wonderful.

00:30:40.000 We love cops.

00:30:41.000 Cops are just the best people on earth.

00:30:43.000 They're just terrific all the way through.

00:30:46.000 There's this, the police chief in Dallas, the Dallas police chief.

00:30:50.000 What we're doing, what we're trying to accomplish here is above challenging.

00:30:53.000 We're asking cops to do too much in this country.

00:31:19.000 We are.

00:31:20.000 We're just asking us to do too much.

00:31:21.000 Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve.

00:31:27.000 Not enough mental health funding.

00:31:30.000 Let the cops handle it.

00:31:32.000 Not enough drug addiction funding.

00:31:34.000 Let's give it to the cops. 0.87

00:31:36.000 Here in Dallas, we've got a loose dog problem.

00:31:38.000 Let's have the cops chase loose dogs. 1.00

00:31:43.000 Schools failed.

00:31:44.000 Give it to the cops.

00:31:47.000 70% of the African-American community is being raised by single women.

00:31:51.000 Let's give it to the cops to solve that as well.

00:31:55.000 That's too much to ask.

00:31:57.000 Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.

00:32:00.000 And I just ask for other parts of our democracy, along with the free press, to help us.

00:32:07.000 To help us and not put that burden all on law enforcement to resolve.

00:32:14.000 Okay, and that's exactly right.

00:32:15.000 That's exactly right.

00:32:16.000 Every problem gets thrust on the cops, and then when things go wrong, it's all the cops' fault.

00:32:20.000 You overburden the cops, and you shouldn't be surprised when things go dramatically wrong, because it turns out that the cops are human beings, too.

00:32:26.000 This new New York Times study that talks about the rates of violence that cops use against particular people, they're ignoring a couple of pertinent facts.

00:32:32.000 One is, if you're under-policed, if you're understaffed in high-crime areas, don't you think that people are going to be more aggressive with people they suspect of having committed crimes?

00:32:41.000 With suspects?

00:32:42.000 Think about it this way, okay?

00:32:44.000 Spike Lee calls Chicago Chi-Rack, right?

00:32:46.000 He made a whole movie called Chi-Rack about how Chicago is just like Iraq.

00:32:49.000 Okay, think about the soldiers in Iraq.

00:32:51.000 When they go into a town, knowing that that town has high rates of violence, that they're probably members of the enemy in that town.

00:32:57.000 When we're talking about the enemy domestically, we're talking about criminals.

00:33:00.000 When you know there are high rates of enemy activity in a particular area, do you think that the soldiers in those situations are going around on high alert, or are they going around just like they would in the middle of the military base?

00:33:10.000 Are they on high alert or are they not?

00:33:11.000 Think about yourself.

00:33:12.000 Think, you're a cop for a second.

00:33:14.000 Or you're a soldier.

00:33:15.000 And you're going into an area where there's high levels of enemy activity.

00:33:18.000 And someone pops out of the woodwork, and you suspect there's something wrong.

00:33:21.000 Do you go over and question them slowly?

00:33:23.000 Or are you afraid someone's gonna pop around the corner?

00:33:25.000 Are you afraid that maybe they're lying to you?

00:33:27.000 Do you push them up against a wall?

00:33:28.000 Right?

00:33:29.000 This is, the statistics that show a disproportionate amount 0.98

00:33:32.000 Of kind of low-level abuse by cops against black people.

00:33:35.000 The idea they're using handcuffs more often or pushing with hands more often.

00:33:39.000 Isn't that more a reflection of the crime in the communities?

00:33:41.000 My guess is that if you did the same study with regard to high crime areas in West Virginia, you would find that high crime areas always have more aggressive cop tactics being used.

00:33:49.000 Because if you talk to cops, they'll tell you this is how they operate.

00:33:52.000 Of course they're more aggressive.

00:33:54.000 They have to be more aggressive to survive and come home at the end of the day.

00:33:57.000 And that doesn't mean that it's always pretty and it doesn't mean that it's always right.

00:34:00.000 But it does mean that you have to have a little more sympathy for cops than assuming that they're automatons and the reason they're doing this is because they see a black face.

00:34:08.000 As opposed to they're just in a high-crime area and they're reacting like most human beings would react in a high-crime area.

00:34:13.000 Which, by the way, is why black officers also do the same sorts of stuff. 0.71

00:34:16.000 It's not because of this wall of blue.

00:34:18.000 It's because that's their job.

00:34:20.000 Their job is the same as the white guy's job in that situation. 0.81

00:34:23.000 I mean, is the idea that black people are just as racist as white people as soon as they put on that uniform? 0.82

00:34:28.000 This is really unsustainable stuff.

00:34:30.000 But the amount of pressure on the cops doesn't let up.

00:34:32.000 Jake Tapper, he did an interview with this police chief, and he's asking him, did you really have to shoot that bad guy?

00:34:37.000 Did you really have to kill that bad guy by using a bomb robot?

00:34:40.000 Did you really have to do all that?

00:34:42.000 It's just, this is the kind of pressure you put on cops, and then you're surprised when people don't want to be cops, or police, or go into dangerous areas?

00:34:49.000 What insanity.

00:34:51.000 I want to just ask briefly about the decision to send in this bomb robot, which you said that you would make the same decision.

00:34:57.000 Again, as you know, it's prompted a lot of discussion among law enforcement officials about whether or not there should be some sort of discussion nationwide about the use of this type of robot.

00:35:10.000 Just to ask a question about this.

00:35:12.000 Could something else have been used other than a bomb that would have killed the shooter?

00:35:17.000 Obviously, in a situation like that, law enforcement has every right and ability to take out the shooter any way he can.

00:35:24.000 But could, for instance, some sort of riot gas been used instead of something that killed the gunman?

00:35:30.000 I just don't give much quarter to critics who ask these types of questions from the comforts and safety away from the incident.

00:35:40.000 You have to be on the ground and try and determine.

00:35:45.000 I've got former SWAT experience here in Dallas and you have to trust your people to make the calls necessary to save their lives.

00:35:54.000 It's their lives that are at stake.

00:35:56.000 Uh, not these critics lives who are in the comforts of their homes or offices.

00:36:00.000 So, you know, that's not worth my time to debate at this point.

00:36:05.000 We believe that we saved lives by making this decision.

00:36:10.000 And, you know, again, I appreciate

00:36:25.000 And of course, that's exactly true.

00:36:27.000 That's exactly right.

00:36:28.000 And the amount of pressure that these cops are under is insane. 1.00

00:36:31.000 Now, that hasn't stopped Republicans from jumping on the stupid bandwagon, because this is what Republicans do. 1.00

00:36:35.000 Republicans think the reason they're losing is because they're seen as unfeeling. 1.00

00:36:39.000 I think the reason Republicans are losing is because they're pansies. 0.93

00:36:42.000 That's my general perspective, is that Republicans, it's not they look unfeeling, it's that they look manipulative and they look weak.

00:36:50.000 So, Newt Gingrich and Marco Rubio both came over and they started mirroring over the weekend Black Lives Matter talking points.

00:36:56.000 Here's Senator Marco Rubio, who's running for re-election in Florida now, speaking in the aftermath of both the Dallas shootings as well as the killings of Philando Castile and Elton Sterling in Louisiana.

00:37:08.000 Here's Rubio.

00:37:10.000 ...video the death of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile and then last night we witnessed the coordinated and cowardly ambush and the assassination of five brave Dallas police officers.

00:37:21.000 Those of us who are not African-American will never fully understand the experience of being black in America but we should all understand why our fellow Americans in the black community are angry at the images of an African-American man with no criminal record who was pulled over for a busted taillight

00:37:38.000 Slumped in his car seat and dying while his four-year-old daughter watches from the backseat.

00:37:45.000 All of us should be troubled by these images and all of us need to acknowledge that this is about more than just one or two recent incidents.

00:37:53.000 Despite decades of progress on many fronts, millions of our fellow Americans feel that they are treated differently because of the color of their skin.

00:38:03.000 And after seeing videos like the one this week, they are scared that the next time they get pulled over

00:38:08.000 One wrong move could be the last thing they do.

00:38:12.000 We also need to confront it by recognizing that our law enforcement officers are human beings who every day see and interact with the worst of our society.

00:38:22.000 They deal with tragedy and violence and criminality and danger and they do it.

00:38:43.000 How black Americans feel is a reality we cannot and should not ignore.

00:38:46.000 Newt Gingrich says the same thing. 0.89

00:38:47.000 He says, if you are a normal white American, the truth is you don't understand being black in America.

00:38:52.000 You instinctively underestimate the level of discrimination and the level of additional risk.

00:38:55.000 Black Lives Matter would in fact try to be a corrective, which initially white people reject because it's not in their worlds.

00:39:01.000 And the only reason that we don't agree with Black Lives Matter is because we're white.

00:39:04.000 According to Newt Gingrich, the whitest person who ever walked the planet.

00:39:08.000 Marco Rubio there saying, if we're not black we can't understand what it's like to be black. 0.98

00:39:12.000 I hate this argument. 0.98

00:39:13.000 The reason I hate this argument is because it's the end of politics.

00:39:16.000 This is the same argument as, you can't talk about abortion because you're not a woman.

00:39:20.000 Or you can't talk about Israel because you're not a Jew. 0.90

00:39:22.000 Or you can't talk about any policy because you're not a member of the subgroup that is most affected by that policy.

00:39:28.000 We're human beings.

00:39:30.000 I can look at that Philando Castile video, and I did last week, and talk about how horrifying that was, and it was a horrifying video.

00:39:36.000 I can talk about how Walter Scott was a racist incident, and looked like a racist incident from the very beginning.

00:39:41.000 I can talk about all those things.

00:39:43.000 Because I'm a human being, and you're a human being too, and you have the capacity to sympathize with other human beings.

00:39:48.000 You do.

00:39:49.000 And you have the capacity to determine what's good policy.

00:39:51.000 But if we start breaking down into these groups, where you say, I feel discriminated against, and I say, well, I need to see evidence of the discrimination, and you say, you just don't get it because you're not black, we've now moved beyond the realm of facts, we've moved beyond the realm of evidence, into the realm of feelings.

00:40:06.000 And once we've moved into the realm of feelings, and we don't talk about whether the feelings are justified or not, all feelings are justified in this view.

00:40:12.000 Right?

00:40:12.000 If you feel bad, we have to do something about this.

00:40:15.000 Hey, this is the perspective of a two-year-old.

00:40:17.000 I feel bad, therefore you have to do something about this.

00:40:20.000 It's not that I'm wrong to feel bad.

00:40:22.000 It's not that I have to look at the justification for my feeling and examine whether I'm right or wrong to feel bad.

00:40:28.000 My feelings are paramount.

00:40:29.000 Feelings are the only thing that matters.

00:40:30.000 President Obama says the same thing.

00:40:32.000 If black people feel that there's discrimination, well, we have to treat that as though it's the same as discrimination. 0.88

00:40:37.000 Except, how do you do that? 0.51

00:40:38.000 You can't.

00:40:39.000 One of the basic rules in life, in any relationship, you cannot be responsible for another person's feelings.

00:40:45.000 All you can do is behave well.

00:40:47.000 You can't be responsible for somebody else's feelings.

00:40:49.000 If you act right, and somebody is offended by that, that's not your responsibility.

00:40:53.000 If you tell truth, and somebody feels bad about that, that ain't your problem.

00:40:57.000 If I say to my wife, if I'm nice and polite and I behave well to my wife, and she's in a bad mood anyway,

00:41:03.000 It's not my fault.

00:41:05.000 I can try to bring her out of that bad mood because I care about her, but it doesn't mean that I've done something wrong.

00:41:11.000 The implication for all these people is, if there's a wide group of Americans who feel they're being victimized by the cops, we have to act as though they're being victimized by the cops without evidence.

00:41:20.000 Remember, Obama said in that early clip that we played, he didn't know what happened in these two shootings.

00:41:24.000 It didn't matter.

00:41:25.000 Because people feel bad, that means that something has to happen.

00:41:29.000 Well, here's the problem.

00:41:30.000 It's a catch-22 now.

00:41:31.000 Nothing can happen to change feelings.

00:41:33.000 What could happen that could change feelings?

00:41:35.000 What?

00:41:36.000 Not arrest any black people anymore? 1.00

00:41:38.000 Even if they commit crimes? 0.99

00:41:39.000 Presumably that's the solution.

00:41:40.000 Since Obama cited all of these racial statistics showing that there are proportionally more blacks than whites in prison, what are we supposed to do? 0.97

00:41:46.000 Just pretend that blacks aren't committing more murders on a proportional level than whites? 1.00

00:41:50.000 50% of all murders in the United States are committed by young black men. 0.99

00:41:54.000 Of all of them? 0.94

00:41:55.000 Okay, that's like 7% of the population committing somewhere between 40 and 50% of all murders in the society.

00:42:00.000 Are we supposed to let everybody go because it needs to be 7%? 0.92

00:42:03.000 Is that the solution? 0.97

00:42:05.000 Is the solution that we only have black cops police black communities? 0.97

00:42:08.000 Or is that racism? 0.95

00:42:10.000 And how's that going to work if you can't recruit enough black cops because they're sick of being targeted as Uncle Toms if they police their own communities? 0.77

00:42:17.000 And what happens then?

00:42:18.000 Then they blame the police department for not putting enough cops in the inner city when they can't recruit? 0.97

00:42:22.000 What happens if those black cops act exactly like the white cops do? 0.97

00:42:26.000 Do they just claim that they've been brought into this evil white system that's going to target people? 0.99

00:42:30.000 Here's the truth.

00:42:31.000 No one wants to talk solutions because solutions are uncomfortable.

00:42:34.000 Solutions are testable in the marketplace.

00:42:36.000 If you propose a solution and you try it and it fails, you're held responsible for that.

00:42:40.000 What you're never held responsible for politically is saying, your feelings matter to me.

00:42:45.000 Your feelings are justified.

00:42:46.000 Marco Rubio won't lose his job because he says your feelings are justified.

00:42:50.000 He will lose his job if he says, we need more cops in the inner city community, and there are more cops in the inner city community, and all that happens is racial conflict goes up, right?

00:42:57.000 You propose a solution, now it can be held responsible.

00:43:00.000 Democrats know this, and that's why they propose feelings for the last 50 years in the inner city.

00:43:04.000 Instead of saying, you know what'd solve this?

00:43:07.000 Less run-ins with the cops.

00:43:08.000 More cops, get married, get a job.

00:43:11.000 Instead of doing that, which would actually be a testable hypothesis requiring something of their voters, instead they say, the reason you feel bad about your life is because there's a big bad guy out to get you, the cops.

00:43:21.000 There's a big bad guy out to get you. 0.91

00:43:23.000 That evil racist American DNA is out to get you. 1.00

00:43:25.000 These buzzwords get black people killed. 1.00

00:43:28.000 You want to know why the inner cities are poor? 1.00

00:43:29.000 It's not because businesses hate black people.

00:43:31.000 It's because businesses don't want to invest in a place that could get burned down in three years in a race riot. 1.00

00:43:36.000 Or that's going to be routinely looted.

00:43:38.000 Or routinely robbed.

00:43:39.000 That's why businesses are not moving into Compton.

00:43:42.000 I mean, this is one of the things that was hilarious.

00:43:44.000 When they did Straight Outta Compton, which was supposed to be about black liberation, one of the ironic stories is there's not a single movie theater in Compton.

00:43:50.000 You couldn't even watch it.

00:43:51.000 Why?

00:43:52.000 Because no movie theater in their right mind would open a theater in Compton.

00:43:56.000 Because there's too much crime.

00:43:57.000 People would try to bring guns into the movie theater. 0.87

00:43:59.000 People would presumably be committing crimes at the movie theater.

00:44:03.000 They didn't open a theater there because they can't sustain it.

00:44:06.000 You want a sustainable community economically?

00:44:08.000 You need to have first a sustainable community in terms of law and order.

00:44:11.000 You want a sustainable community in terms of law and order, you need cops in there.

00:44:14.000 You want cops in there? 0.99

00:44:15.000 You're gonna have to make sure that you stop ripping on the cops every time they go in for an arrest.

00:44:20.000 You can't label the cops the bad guy and then expect them to risk their lives on a regular basis to police petty crime in bad areas.

00:44:26.000 They're not going to do it.

00:44:27.000 And that's why you're seeing crime escalate over the last two, three years.

00:44:31.000 Heather McDonnell calls it the Ferguson effect, and she's exactly right. 0.99

00:44:33.000 It is the effect of Ferguson, but it's more than that.

00:44:35.000 It's an uptick that President Obama has pushed that has a real consequence. 0.93

00:44:39.000 So you got Gingrich and Rubio now pushing this feelings crap too, because they think it's going to get them elected. 0.60

00:44:44.000 I have to give all credit to Rudy Giuliani here. 0.97

00:44:46.000 Rudy Giuliani is the former mayor of New York, one of the few guys speaking truth to power on this particular subject.

00:44:52.000 He obviously implemented stop-and-frisk in New York.

00:44:54.000 He implemented all these theories of more policing, more policing of low-level crime, ensuring that there isn't a lawlessness that runs throughout New York City, which by the way is now returning.

00:45:07.000 Here's Rudy Giuliani talking about the Black Lives Matter movement.

00:45:11.000 You said that the Black Lives Matter movement has put a target on the back of police officers.

00:45:16.000 When members of the African American community see videos as they have this week, they feel like there is a target on young black men.

00:45:25.000 Explain your response about how they put a target on police officers, how that can match up when people see these videos.

00:45:32.000 Well, when they talk about killing police officers.

00:45:36.000 But they don't.

00:45:36.000 Well, they sure do.

00:45:38.000 They sing rap songs about killing police officers, and they talk about killing police officers, and they yell it out at their rallies, and the police officers hear it.

00:45:47.000 But Mr. Mayor, what you seem to be doing is taking... Please, please let me finish.

00:45:51.000 And when you say black lives matter, that's inherently racist.

00:45:57.000 Well I think there are... Black lives matter, white lives matter, Asian lives matter, Hispanic lives matter. 0.87

00:46:03.000 That's anti-american and it's racist.

00:46:07.000 Of course black lives matter and they matter greatly but when you focus in on one percent of less than one percent of the murder that's going on in America and you make it a national thing and all of you in the media make it much bigger than the

00:46:23.000 A black kid who's getting killed in Chicago every 14 hours, you create a disproportion.

00:46:30.000 The police understand it, and it puts a target on their back.

00:46:34.000 Every cop in America will tell you that if you ask them.

00:46:38.000 And that, of course, is exactly right.

00:46:39.000 But the media don't care about that.

00:46:41.000 You notice that the media have been equating the killings in Louisiana and Minnesota of these black guys by the cops.

00:46:46.000 They've actually equated that with the guy who was targeting police officers.

00:46:50.000 Only one problem.

00:46:50.000 There's no evidence that these guys were targeted, right?

00:46:53.000 The police officers were targeted.

00:46:54.000 They were specifically targeted because they were white cops.

00:46:56.000 There's no evidence that these white cops, one of them wasn't even white, one's a Latino, right? 0.64

00:47:00.000 Or that they were, the one in Minnesota's a Latino guy. 1.00

00:47:02.000 That they were out there, and they went out there that morning, I'm gonna kill a black guy. 1.00

00:47:06.000 This guy went out there that morning and thought, I'm gonna kill some white cops. 1.00

00:47:09.000 I'm gonna go out there, I'm gonna kill some white cops. 1.00

00:47:11.000 And in Tennessee, and in Georgia, and in Missouri, and in St. 0.99

00:47:15.000 Paul, where there were a bunch of Black Lives Matter protesters, who as I said before, were throwing cinder blocks at the cops, one of whom broke his vertebrae.

00:47:21.000 Okay, so this moral equivalence is absolute nonsense.

00:47:26.000 Fact and fiction are not the same thing just because you feel the same way about them.

00:47:30.000 They're not.

00:47:32.000 And the fact that people refuse to acknowledge this, this is why we have such a problem in the country.

00:47:37.000 Giuliani continued, he says that there's obviously a concerted effort to paint our police officers as brutal and racist.

00:47:43.000 Whenever one police officer is killed, it's like a shot at all of us because they're the people who protect us.

00:47:49.000 They're the people who put their lives on the line every day they get dressed up and they might not come home that night and you and I get dressed up and you know they protect us and our children and our grandchildren and to lose so many of them at once in a slaughter like that has to indicate there's something seriously wrong with the way we're presenting the police in the United States.

00:48:13.000 There's a concerted effort to paint our police officers as brutal and racist.

00:48:20.000 And the simple fact is, they are not.

00:48:23.000 Our police officers are us.

00:48:25.000 They come from us.

00:48:26.000 They're the people who protect us.

00:48:30.000 And that's exactly right.

00:48:31.000 That's exactly right.

00:48:31.000 But it doesn't matter.

00:48:32.000 The left has an agenda and the agenda must be pressed forward no matter what.

00:48:36.000 I love that the leftists are trying to find somebody to blame other than themselves for these cops being shot because they know it's a bad story for them.

00:48:42.000 So naturally, they're blaming Donald Trump because they're all-purpose blaming.

00:48:45.000 Now, I think Donald Trump is terrible, as you know, but 1.00

00:48:48.000 Donald Trump is not to blame for cops getting shot in Dallas by an anti-white, black terrorist. 0.99

00:48:54.000 That has nothing to do with Donald Trump. 0.96

00:48:56.000 In fact, Donald Trump's statement on the police shootings is actually pretty good.

00:48:58.000 Here's what Donald Trump had to say about the police shootings.

00:49:00.000 The shooting of the 12 police officers in Dallas, Texas has shaken the soul of our nation.

00:49:07.000 Just a few weeks ago, I met with many of the men and women in the Dallas police force during my visit to Texas.

00:49:15.000 They're not just police officers.

00:49:17.000 They're mothers and fathers, husbands and wives, sons and daughters.

00:49:23.000 And they're all on my mind today.

00:49:26.000 They're on everybody's mind.

00:49:28.000 A brutal attack on our police force is an attack on our country and an attack on our families.

00:49:36.000 I stand in solidarity with law enforcement, which we must remember is the force between civilization and total chaos.

00:49:45.000 Every American has the right to live in safety and peace.

00:49:49.000 So he's right.

00:49:50.000 So this is all good.

00:49:50.000 This is all good.

00:49:52.000 But it doesn't matter.

00:49:52.000 The left is blaming him anyway.

00:49:54.000 The left is going after him anyway.

00:49:55.000 So here is Jesse Jackson blaming Donald Trump for what happened.

00:50:00.000 You have said that you think Donald Trump, at least in part, has contributed to a very divisive mood in this country.

00:50:06.000 You called part of that an anti-black mood.

00:50:09.000 I want to play a little bit of what he said in response to the shootings and events of the last few days and then get your reaction.

00:50:15.000 A brutal attack on our police force is an attack on our country and an attack on our families.

00:50:22.000 The deaths of Alton Sterling in Louisiana and Philando Castile in Minnesota also make clear how much more work we have to do to make every American feel that their safety is protected.

00:50:36.000 Reverend, what do you make of his remarks?

00:50:39.000 Well, those are significant remarks, but I submit to you that when you do the birther movement on the president, which is a dog whistle for kind of anti-black, the anti-Mexican, the deportation of 15 million people, of families, the disruption, anti-Muslim, that kind of rhetoric has helped to seed these clouds.

00:50:56.000 I hope that Mr. Trump will maintain the level of rhetoric that we just now heard.

00:51:02.000 Okay, so basically, if we had subtitles, what he would be saying is that this seeded the clouds, seeded the clouds for the sort of attacks that you saw in Dallas.

00:51:11.000 But what you never see is the Democrats saying that Hillary Clinton seeds the clouds for these sort of attacks. 0.95

00:51:15.000 So, for example, here's Hillary Clinton talking about, the real problem here is that white people just don't understand black people well enough. 0.63

00:51:22.000 Uh, but I will certainly take a hard look about what more we can do because what I'm interested in is bringing our country together, not deepening the divides.

00:51:31.000 And I want white people to understand how African Americans feel every day.

00:51:38.000 We're good to go.

00:52:01.000 And working together to try to stem the violence, the hatred, the divisive rhetoric.

00:52:09.000 And yes, I'm going to do my best to try to bring that about in my campaign and then in the White House, working on specific ways to try to create, you know, more understanding.

00:52:21.000 So Hillary Clinton does this routine now where white people just need to just need to look more and more closely at the experience of black people. 1.00

00:52:28.000 How about this?

00:52:29.000 How about this?

00:52:30.000 We'll recognize, when you show us evidence of officers doing bad things, that they should go to jail, and that bad things should happen when they do bad things.

00:52:38.000 And you recognize that evidence would be a good baseline standard of behavior.

00:52:42.000 How about that?

00:52:43.000 How about we start with some facts and some evidence?

00:52:44.000 I don't understand why this is foreign. 1.00

00:52:45.000 You say facts and evidence, and the left looks at you as though you're a racist now.

00:52:49.000 That's the way this works. 0.89

00:52:49.000 If you cite a fact, you are a racist. 0.89

00:52:51.000 If you say, how about some evidence? 1.00

00:52:53.000 You're a racist. 0.98

00:52:54.000 If you don't buy into the narrative that they're pushing forward, you're a racist. 0.97

00:52:58.000 How the conversation has turned from, in the space of a week, has turned from two cases where it's unclear that the shoots were bad in the first place, to we don't know if the shoots are racist, but we're going to claim that all the cops are basically racist, to the cops getting shot, to we don't know what happened.

00:53:15.000 I mean, what happened here?

00:53:15.000 I mean, clearly what should have happened is we should have understood black people better.

00:53:19.000 It's amazing, the level of dominance by the left of the narrative is incredible and utterly incoherent and destined to get more black people killed. 1.00

00:53:26.000 Because I promise you, cops are not going to join the force, they're not going to go into bad areas, they're not going to police crime, they're going to think to themselves, do I really feel like losing my career or my life or my health today based on trying to help a group of people who the media say hate me and want to kill me? 0.96

00:53:41.000 And who they say I make them feel uncomfortable?

00:53:45.000 And then the natural human response to that by cop, by anybody else would be, fine, screw it.

00:53:50.000 Do it yourself.

00:53:52.000 Right?

00:53:52.000 If you have an option, do it yourself.

00:53:54.000 I'm not going to go in there for a bunch of people who hate me and try and save them from themselves.

00:53:58.000 I mean, that's their job.

00:53:59.000 But less people are going to be taking up that job, especially knowing that their own police chiefs will undermine them.

00:54:04.000 Thank God for this Dallas police chief who's not doing that.

00:54:06.000 He's great.

00:54:07.000 All right.

00:54:08.000 Thing I like, and then a couple of things that I hate really quickly.

00:54:11.000 So, this week we're going to do surprise endings.

00:54:13.000 So surprise endings in movies, because hopefully there will be a surprise ending at the Republican National Convention.

00:54:17.000 We don't have time to talk too much about that.

00:54:20.000 We'll talk about that, I'm sure, tomorrow a little bit more, but there is a movement afoot to stop Trump at the convention.

00:54:25.000 It takes 28 votes in the Rules Committee to refer out for a minority report, which would mean that now a majority of the delegates voting in favor of unbinding the delegates means that none of the primaries basically counted and we have a brand new primary at the convention.

00:54:39.000 One of the people who's behind that movement told us over the weekend at the Daily Wire that they have the votes to make that happen, so it could get really, really interesting.

00:54:45.000 So, surprise endings!

00:54:47.000 So, and by the way, if you actually want to beat Hillary Clinton, you should be in favor of the surprise ending because he's getting killed in the polls, folks.

00:54:52.000 I mean, he's down four in Nevada.

00:54:55.000 It's bad.

00:54:55.000 Okay, so, surprise endings.

00:54:57.000 If you haven't seen The Sting, I was shocked that Andrew Clavin did a whole week of Paul Newman films, and he missed what I think is Paul Newman's best performance, and that is in The Sting, this one best picture in 1973, maybe?

00:55:12.000 And it's a really, it's a fun, terrific film.

00:55:14.000 Paul Newman, Robert Redford, great movie.

00:55:17.000 Chicago was the place to be in 1936.

00:55:19.000 In those days, the Big Con was a dying art.

00:55:24.000 Until a first-class grifter on the lam from the FBI and a young gaffer from Joliet joined forces to con the Big Mic.

00:55:35.000 He's not as tough as he thinks.

00:55:38.000 Neither are we.

00:55:42.000 Paul Newman as Henry Gondorf.

00:55:44.000 There wasn't a con he couldn't run. 0.97

00:55:47.000 And there wasn't a sucker he couldn't gaff. 0.94

00:55:51.000 Robert Redford is Johnny Hooker, a young drifter with plenty of moxie. 1.00

00:55:56.000 Three grand on the rent, Jimmy. 0.94

00:55:57.000 But he's a sucker for lady luck.

00:55:59.000 Tough luck, kid.

00:56:01.000 And a sap for lady love.

00:56:03.000 Thanks for the big evening, Hooker. 1.00

00:56:04.000 Next time you want to spend 50 bucks on me, mail it.

00:56:08.000 Robert Shaw is the mark.

00:56:09.000 In the underworld, he's the big mick.

00:56:12.000 Name's Lolligan.

00:56:15.000 It's a great movie.

00:56:17.000 You don't have to play the whole preview.

00:56:20.000 It's terrific.

00:56:20.000 It's a really, really fun movie.

00:56:22.000 If you haven't seen it, it's got a great ending.

00:56:26.000 Robert Shaw is one of the great underrated actors in the history of film.

00:56:30.000 I love Robert Shaw.

00:56:31.000 He's great in Jaws.

00:56:32.000 He's great in this.

00:56:33.000 And it's a great cast.

00:56:35.000 It's a really, really fun movie.

00:56:36.000 Okay.

00:56:37.000 Things I Hate.

00:56:39.000 They're now remaking the Republican National Platform to try and mirror Trumpism, which is what I have suggested is the problem this entire time, right?

00:56:46.000 Was that we were all going to move our principles in order to make room for Donald Trump.

00:56:50.000 So now they're saying a couple of things.

00:56:52.000 One, they're saying that we're going to say that trade deals are great, but they have to be fair trade deals that are negotiated in the smartest way, right? 0.99

00:56:58.000 So they're just going to start quoting Trump's idiotic speeches now and pretend that this is actual policy. 0.99

00:57:02.000 That's one thing. 1.00

00:57:03.000 Second, I love this.

00:57:05.000 This is according to The Hill today.

00:57:06.000 You ready?

00:57:07.000 Okay.

00:57:07.000 This is not a joke.

00:57:08.000 This is not a parody.

00:57:09.000 This is real.

00:57:09.000 Quote.

00:57:11.000 Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump recently spoke with Caitlyn Jenner, ahead of what is likely to be a contentious debate over transgender issues in the party's platform.

00:57:20.000 The call between the former Olympic decathlete and the billionaire came days after Trump met with hundreds of religious conservatives, according to the New York Times.

00:57:27.000 Delegates are expected to debate on Monday whether to adopt a provision defending laws that prevent transgender men and women from using the public restroom of their choice.

00:57:35.000 So, we've got Donald Trump calling up Caitlyn Jenner to coordinate between the two of them how they will talk about transgender bathrooms in America. 1.00

00:57:43.000 Yes, reality TV now runs our lives because we are a bunch of morons. 1.00

00:57:48.000 So that is a thing that I hate. 0.99

00:57:49.000 I mean, like, we've now moved through the looking glass.

00:57:52.000 We've completely moved through the looking glass.

00:57:54.000 It's all over, gang. 0.59

00:57:56.000 And final thing that I hate, DeRay McKesson is this Black Lives Matter provocateur. 1.00

00:58:01.000 He does nothing for a living.

00:58:02.000 He legitimately just goes around race-baiting for a living.

00:58:06.000 He started off doing this in Ferguson when he was basically a no-name.

00:58:08.000 Now he makes lots of money doing it.

00:58:10.000 They allowed him to lecture at Yale University where he said that riots were a good thing.

00:58:14.000 He did a lecture called In Defense of Riots.

00:58:16.000 So he went down to Baton Rouge, Louisiana to protest over the Alton Sterling thing and he was quickly arrested because that's what he does.

00:58:23.000 He gets himself arrested and then claims he's a victim.

00:58:25.000 So here's a little tape of that.

00:58:28.000 I think he's talking to me y'all.

00:58:30.000 He said if he sees me in the road, I'm going to jail.

00:58:35.000 Like I said, the police continue to just provoke people.

00:58:53.000 You heard him say it.

00:58:54.000 He said, the loud shoes.

00:58:56.000 Have you seen me in the road?

00:58:57.000 Mind you, there's no sidewalk here.

00:58:59.000 My shoes are pink.

00:59:00.000 Show the line.

00:59:02.000 Show the line.

00:59:04.000 Show the curb.

00:59:05.000 Show where you're walking so they know you're not walking in the street.

00:59:10.000 There is no sidewalk.

00:59:13.000 Watch the police.

00:59:14.000 They are literally just provoking people.

00:59:16.000 The police are literally provoking people.

00:59:18.000 The police are saying you need to move away from the line, right?

00:59:20.000 And they're not arresting a lot of people.

00:59:21.000 Right?

00:59:22.000 They're not arresting anybody.

00:59:23.000 All these people are just walking along the shoulder of the road.

00:59:28.000 Then the cops come and arrest DeRay because DeRay is hanging out illegally on the side of the road.

00:59:33.000 Okay, so, first of all, you are not allowed legally to walk on the side of a freeway.

00:59:38.000 You're not, right?

00:59:39.000 If I decided to get up this morning and just go jogging on the side of the freeway, I'd be arrested.

00:59:43.000 So DeRay gets arrested, and then he's a victim.

00:59:45.000 So he goes down there specifically to get arrested, and then he can claim the cops are racist. 0.99

00:59:48.000 Okay, first of all, I bet half the cops are black. 0.87

00:59:50.000 Second of all, DeRay does nothing for anyone. 0.93

00:59:54.000 I mean, DeRay's entire shtick is just getting famous off protesting against police brutality that in the case of Ferguson didn't exist, and in the case of Louisiana is still under dispute.

01:00:04.000 This is the country that we've now made, and DeRay McKesson's a hero in it.

01:00:08.000 He's consulted by the head of Twitter on every new change.

01:00:13.000 Every new change on Twitter runs through DeRay McKesson.

01:00:16.000 Amazing.

01:00:17.000 But this is where we go.

01:00:18.000 When feelings trump facts, folks.

01:00:19.000 When feelings trump facts, we have nothing in common anymore.

01:00:21.000 Because your feelings are unique to you.

01:00:23.000 No one else holds them.

01:00:24.000 But the facts are held in common by everyone.

01:00:26.000 So if we're going to share anything, we have to share the facts, since we can't share feelings.

01:00:29.000 And if we reject facts in favor of feelings, the country is basically over.

01:00:32.000 On that happy note, we'll be back tomorrow with plenty more of the country devolving into chaos and murder.

01:00:38.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

01:00:38.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - July 11, 2016

Ep. 147 - Racist, Lawless Obama Lies About Racism, Cops

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