The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 150 - President Uniter Meets With Race Riot Fans!

00:00:00.000 After hijacking a memorial for police officers slain by an anti-white, anti-cop racist to push his race and gun agenda, all the while claiming to be a uniter, President Obama held a meeting on the police and race relations at the White House on Wednesday.

00:00:13.000 One of his most important guests, race riot fan DeRay McKesson, who made a name for himself by stoking rage over the fully justified shooting of Michael Brown, then parlaying that into a career as a Black Lives Matter provocateur.

00:00:25.000 McKesson has spoken about Black Lives Matter at Yale University,

00:00:28.000 Where he approved of reading an article for the students titled, Which naturally means that he gets to come to the White House, directly after getting himself arrested in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, for the cameras.

00:00:39.000 McKesson supposedly chastised Obama for not visiting Baton Rouge, Louisiana, where Alton Sterling was killed by police last week, after allegedly grabbing for his gun.

00:00:48.000 Or Falcon Heights, Minnesota, where circumstances surrounding the police killing of Philando Castile are still unknown.

00:00:55.000 McKesson even told Obama he should visit Ferguson, the site of riots championed by McKesson over a false racial narrative.

00:01:01.000 Hands up, don't shoot.

00:01:02.000 Obama, in turn, kowtowed to the race baiter, asking Louisiana police to give McKesson back his backpack.

00:01:08.000 Here's how that conversation went.

00:01:09.000 This is literally how the conversation went.

00:01:11.000 Obama, quote,

00:01:18.000 McKesson.

00:01:19.000 Yes, I would like that.

00:01:21.000 Really, this happened.

00:01:22.000 After the meeting with the race arsonist, Obama then appeared before the press and ripped into the cops, quote, He then predicted, is what he says, quote,

00:01:45.000 I think it is fair to say we will see more tension between police and communities this month, next month, next year, for quite some time.

00:01:52.000 Last I checked, he's the president.

00:01:54.000 It's sort of his job to help stop that sort of thing.

00:01:57.000 But he won't, because President Obama is a racial divider, by both ideology and for political gain.

00:02:02.000 More black people will die thanks to these divisions, as police pull out of high-crime minority communities to avoid the wrath of the left.

00:02:08.000 And more cops will die too, as the anti-police sentiment metastasizes.

00:02:13.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:02:14.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:02:22.000 Ah, so much to get to today here on the Ben Shapiro Show.

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00:02:46.000 A lot to get to, a lot of breaking news today.

00:02:48.000 Apparently, Indiana Governor Mike Pence is Trump's VP pick for this upcoming election cycle.

00:02:56.000 He's picking Indiana Governor Mike Pence.

00:02:58.000 We know a few things about this.

00:03:00.000 Number one, this means that Chris Christie is sitting alone in a room somewhere, crying, eating Cheetos, and weeping to himself while singing, all by myself.

00:03:11.000 We also know that Newt Gingrich is somewhere planning how to build a pirate ship to the moon.

00:03:17.000 So lots and lots of things happening.

00:03:20.000 This is about the weirdest pick that Trump could have made in a couple of ways.

00:03:27.000 One is that Trump said he was going to pick somebody high profile, somebody well known, somebody he called a household name.

00:03:32.000 And somebody tweeted online, Pence is a household name.

00:03:35.000 Three of the five people in his household know his name.

00:03:38.000 No one knows who Mike Pence is.

00:03:40.000 That's number one.

00:03:40.000 Number two, Mike Pence does not shore up the conservative base because Mike Pence in the last couple of years has embraced Common Core.

00:03:46.000 Mike Pence in the last couple of years has caved on Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

00:03:50.000 Remember, there was a big national controversy after Indiana passed a law basically saying if you're a Christian baker, you don't have to cater a gay wedding.

00:03:57.000 The media went nuts.

00:03:58.000 And Mike Pence promptly caved on it.

00:04:00.000 So he lost a lot of credibility there.

00:04:02.000 Mike Pence disagrees with Trump on amnesty.

00:04:05.000 He's for what we call touchback amnesty, which Trump is now coming around to.

00:04:09.000 This is the idea we deport people.

00:04:10.000 They come back and, yay, we give them amnesty.

00:04:13.000 He's also in favor of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

00:04:16.000 He's in favor of TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership treaty that Trump hates so much.

00:04:20.000 So in a lot of ways, this pick doesn't make a lot of sense.

00:04:22.000 There's only one way in which it makes some sense.

00:04:25.000 The reason that it makes a little bit of sense is because

00:04:28.000 There's this brewing rebellion over at the RNC, people trying to oust Trump, some of the Never Trump people, trying to unbind the delegates.

00:04:35.000 And this is a way of sort of quieting them, saying, OK, well, I picked somebody who's steady.

00:04:41.000 I guess that the closest thing you could come to is he's sort of

00:04:44.000 It's not a great comparison.

00:04:45.000 He's sort of like Indiana's John Kasich, is where Mike Pence is, and so it makes people feel a little bit more steady with Trump if he picks somebody like that.

00:04:54.000 Trump, by the way, continues to run even with Hillary in the polls.

00:04:57.000 Another poll out today shows, is from CBS and New York Times, it shows that they are tied at 40%.

00:05:04.000 Now, remember what I said yesterday.

00:05:05.000 Right?

00:05:06.000 This isn't about Trump soaring.

00:05:07.000 He's not surging.

00:05:08.000 Nothing is happening with Trump that's making things significantly better.

00:05:11.000 What's happening is that Hillary is collapsing. 1.00

00:05:13.000 So if you look at the CBS poll, a month ago Hillary was at 50, then 47, then 43, then 40.

00:05:18.000 So she's gone down 10 points, but Trump hasn't picked up 10 points.

00:05:21.000 He hasn't picked up any points.

00:05:23.000 He was at 40 in that first poll.

00:05:24.000 He's still at 40.

00:05:25.000 So where are the other 10 points going?

00:05:27.000 Who knows?

00:05:27.000 Maybe there was the rapture.

00:05:29.000 Maybe people were just disappeared.

00:05:30.000 Maybe the unions came and buried them in cement alongside Jimmy H- Who knows? 0.78

00:05:35.000 They're just gone, right?

00:05:36.000 So this is the problem with these polls right now, is that they're showing somewhere between 15 and 20% of the population just nowhere.

00:05:43.000 Like, they don't know.

00:05:45.000 What's going on?

00:05:46.000 No one knows.

00:05:47.000 So, I mean, that's because everybody hates these two candidates so much.

00:05:50.000 Like, really hates the candidates.

00:05:52.000 We also have the convention schedule, sort of, for Donald Trump now.

00:05:57.000 And it leaves a little bit to be desired.

00:05:59.000 There are a few things that are funny that are happening that are worth noting.

00:06:02.000 He was asked about Sarah Palin coming to the convention.

00:06:04.000 He said, well, Alaska's really far away.

00:06:07.000 That's not a good answer.

00:06:11.000 Obviously not the real reason Sarah Palin is not coming to the convention.

00:06:15.000 I'd go with the crazy hands, but you know, probably a smart idea not to have Sarah Palin at the convention, although maybe he'll reveal her tomorrow as the pick for VP and it's all just a misdirection.

00:06:25.000 It's all a big head fake.

00:06:26.000 Could be.

00:06:27.000 I mean, there's part of Trump that likes to surprise more than he cares about anything else, and I was hoping for an actual, as you know, rose ceremony at Trump Tower tomorrow, where Chris Christie is sitting there, like, with the puppy dog eyes, and Trump doesn't give him the rose.

00:06:40.000 I was really hoping for a lot more dramatics with Chris Christie, I'll be honest with you.

00:06:43.000 I was really hoping that tomorrow, Trump was supposed to announce the VP pick tomorrow, I was hoping that Trump would bring out Chris Christie and say, and now, the next, I want to introduce you to the next Vice President of the United States's introducer!

00:06:55.000 And it would be Chris Christie, and then the door would open up underneath him and he would fall down, but there'd be a trampoline underneath and he'd just bounce up again.

00:07:00.000 It'd be great.

00:07:02.000 So, in any case, Trump is, he's revealed his convention schedule.

00:07:06.000 There's some big names missing.

00:07:08.000 The last two Republican nominees, the last two Republican presidents, most Republicans.

00:07:12.000 There are lots of Trumps, lots and lots of Trumps.

00:07:14.000 So there's six Trumps speaking.

00:07:16.000 There's Donald who's speaking, Melania's speaking night one.

00:07:18.000 Ivanka's introducing Trump, though.

00:07:20.000 It's not Melania who's introducing Trump.

00:07:21.000 Smart, because Ivanka's much more likable than Melania. 0.97

00:07:25.000 So Melania's speaking night one, Ivanka's speaking the last night, and then Eric and Tiffany and Donald Jr.

00:07:30.000 are all speaking somewhere in the middle.

00:07:31.000 So lots and lots of Trump.

00:07:32.000 I think there are only ten Republican elected officials speaking total, and there are six Trumps speaking at the convention.

00:07:38.000 So there's that.

00:07:39.000 There's a little bit of celebrity, but it's really kind of B-plus names and no real A-listers.

00:07:44.000 So you've got Natalie Gulbis, who's like an LPGA tour golfer, who's good-looking. 0.98

00:07:49.000 So there's that.

00:07:50.000 I mean, she'll be eye candy, I guess.

00:07:51.000 There's the UFC president, Dana White.

00:07:54.000 All right.

00:07:55.000 There's former underwear model Antonio Sabato Jr.

00:07:59.000 I don't know what he's going to do.

00:08:00.000 Is he going to do, like, a striptease?

00:08:01.000 Like, what's going to happen?

00:08:02.000 They say he's an actor and also a former underwear model.

00:08:05.000 I haven't heard of him as an actor or as an underwear model, so it's weird.

00:08:09.000 Also, honestly, if he was going to get an underwear model, wouldn't you have figured it would have been that crazy guy in New York who, like, climbed up to the top of the Broadway

00:08:17.000 You know, there was the Broadway platform, like, naked, and started shouting about Trump.

00:08:20.000 Like, wouldn't you get that?

00:08:21.000 Okay, but there's no Tyson, there's no Don King, there's no Bobby Knight, there's no Tom Brady.

00:08:25.000 So, it's—and Tim Tebow is the biggest name that he's got.

00:08:28.000 And you have to think, Tim Tebow, not the smartest move, if you're looking at being a Republican officeholder, to come out at this particular convention, but okay, you know.

00:08:37.000 So, he's got a little bit more glitz, a little bit more glamour, not as much as he wanted.

00:08:41.000 Apparently, they asked if they could fire fireworks in the stadium, and people said, no, there's a roof here.

00:08:45.000 I don't think so.

00:09:03.000 I think so.

00:09:17.000 All right, whatever.

00:09:18.000 Paul Ryan's gonna speak.

00:09:20.000 And the lineup is... And then there are some people who really should speak.

00:09:23.000 There's some time dedicated to Benghazi.

00:09:25.000 There's some time dedicated to illegal immigration.

00:09:28.000 Marcus Luttrell, who's the lone survivor, former Navy SEAL, he's gonna speak.

00:09:31.000 So it's not a terrible convention schedule by any stretch of the imagination, but it's not exactly the kind of glitz and glamour that we were promised.

00:09:37.000 It's not the razzle-dazzle, totally.

00:09:39.000 So, all that said, if you're buying and selling political stock, as I've said to people, if there were such stocks,

00:09:44.000 Right now is when you would buy Trump stock and you'd sell Trump stock immediately after the convention because everybody gets that little convention bump and so the polls for the next week and a half are going to be very positive to Donald Trump and then Hillary will have her convention and she'll probably open up a little lead because she'll get a bump and then the media are going to try and push her all the way to the convention and

00:10:02.000 She's already hit her biggest obstacle, right?

00:10:04.000 Her biggest obstacle was the email server scandal, and that's now in her rearview mirror, so the media will now start pushing her extraordinarily hard.

00:10:12.000 Okay, so that's the update on the presidential race.

00:10:14.000 Now I want to get to things that actually matter, because the truth is that obviously, obviously, the presidential race matters, but

00:10:21.000 What matters more to me is the underlying societal conflict that's sort of tearing the country apart.

00:10:25.000 When I say sort of, I mean absolutely tearing the country apart.

00:10:28.000 And it's very frightening in a lot of ways.

00:10:29.000 So, I want to talk about the continuation of the race issue, and the continuation of the rebellion against police, and the anger against police, and this talk that the police are systemically racist.

00:10:39.000 And I want to talk about real concerns about the police, and then fake concerns about the police.

00:10:44.000 Like, the delusional concerns about the police, and then things that actually matter.

00:10:47.000 And then things that actually matter about the cops.

00:10:50.000 I'm going to save my commentary.

00:10:52.000 I know some people were asking about commentary on the ESPYs last night.

00:10:58.000 We will do the commentary on the ESPYs, but I'm saving that for stuff I hate at the end of the show.

00:11:02.000 Because as you know, I hate the fact that my sporting time, when I watch TV, if I'm turning to ESPN, I don't want to be seeing President Obama.

00:11:11.000 I don't want to be seeing rallies against the police.

00:11:15.000 ESPN is so bad that ESPN is actually live broadcasting.

00:11:18.000 Obama's doing a race town hall tonight on ABC.

00:11:20.000 ESPN is live broadcasting it.

00:11:23.000 ESPN.

00:11:24.000 I didn't know that that had anything to do with playing games that involve balls.

00:11:27.000 I didn't understand that, but apparently it does.

00:11:30.000 So we'll get to that in a little while, but I want to start with D.L.

00:11:33.000 Hewley.

00:11:33.000 So D.L.

00:11:34.000 Hewley was on Fox News last night, and he's an actor, black actor, comedian, and he's talking, I think this is with Megyn Kelly, he's talking

00:11:43.000 about the problems with the police.

00:11:47.000 This is the problem, okay?

00:11:48.000 There's places where we can talk realistically about race and the police.

00:11:52.000 Like, for example, it's true, it's probably true, so according to this new Harvard study, and as I said yesterday, I'm digging into the statistics now, so I'm trying to lock all of this down, but according to this Harvard study, what they say is that low-level uses of force on black people are more common, even if they're innocent, than low-level uses of force on white people. 0.73

00:12:10.000 But when you get to the upper end, like shootings and beatings, it's actually more common with white people. 0.56

00:12:14.000 So there are a couple theories as to why that happens.

00:12:16.000 One is systemic racism.

00:12:18.000 I don't think that's the case.

00:12:19.000 The second is the Larry Elder theory, which is that the reason you have less shootings of black people is because of that escalation of race at the very beginning, and that escalation of force at the very beginning.

00:12:28.000 In other words, you never hit the point where you have to shoot somebody because somebody's grabbing you really tight at the beginning, and you know who the alpha dog is, so you don't get into it with them.

00:12:35.000 That's Larry Elder's theory.

00:12:37.000 And then there's the third theory,

00:12:39.000 Which is that there is some racial profiling going on, but that doesn't necessarily mean that racism is going on.

00:12:45.000 Meaning that it's racial and behavioral profiling.

00:12:48.000 So if Colin Powell is walking down the street, very unlikely that he's going to be racially profiled.

00:12:53.000 But if a black kid is walking down the street wearing a hoodie,

00:12:57.000 In the middle of the night, then that's going to be treated differently by police, right?

00:13:00.000 That's sort of the third idea here.

00:13:02.000 So, all that said, those are real concerns about race that we'll get to in a second.

00:13:06.000 But then there is the Black Lives Matter movement, and the Black Lives Matter movement is utterly delusional. 0.87

00:13:10.000 So instead of saying, we have concerns that low-level interactions between the police and black people are poisoning relations between the two because of the low-level amounts of force that are being used,

00:13:20.000 Instead, what they're saying is the cops are randomly shooting people, it's a genocide, they're killing people, the cops are all evil and racist.

00:13:26.000 So D.L.

00:13:27.000 Hewley is talking about Michael Brown and listen to what he has to say.

00:13:30.000 I'll tell you this.

00:13:31.000 They found systemic racism, right?

00:13:33.000 So it's unbelievable.

00:13:35.000 They also found systemic racism.

00:13:37.000 And we know that Darren Wilson left the department because it was so racist it had to be disbanded.

00:13:42.000 And with the Ferguson, another department that is rife with racism.

00:13:45.000 That's what Eric Holder's DOJ concluded.

00:13:47.000 And Eric Holder's DOJ concluded that their department was so rife with corruption

00:14:05.000 I already gave it.

00:14:05.000 I already conceded that, D.L.

00:14:07.000 We're talking about Michael Brown and the lie of Hands Up Your Shoe.

00:14:11.000 I don't dodge at all.

00:14:12.000 I'm here in Fox News.

00:14:13.000 Then let's stay on it.

00:14:14.000 Then let's stay on Michael Brown.

00:14:16.000 Eric Holder's D.O.J.

00:14:18.000 You're trying to get out of bounds on him.

00:14:20.000 You are.

00:14:21.000 Then don't dodge.

00:14:22.000 Then let's stay in bounds.

00:14:23.000 Eric Holder's D.O.J.

00:14:25.000 found that Michael Brown... We were talking about the young man that just got murdered.

00:14:29.000 And the rush to judgment and the assumption you know something when you don't actually know it.

00:14:35.000 First off, what I'll tell you is this.

00:14:37.000 It is not uncommon for you all to see one thing.

00:14:40.000 The only place racism doesn't exist is Fox News and the police department.

00:14:43.000 That's the only place.

00:14:44.000 That's absolutely true.

00:14:46.000 Okay, so this is the debate that is being had and it's the most useless debate in America, right?

00:14:51.000 So you have Megyn Kelly saying more evidence.

00:14:53.000 You know, Michael Brown was shot for good reason, and D.L.

00:14:56.000 Hewley saying that everything is racist.

00:14:58.000 There's no common ground there, because in this case, one side is right and one side is wrong.

00:15:02.000 Megyn Kelly isn't saying there's no racism anywhere on the planet. 1.00

00:15:05.000 She's saying that you actually have to show racism before you say something's racist.

00:15:08.000 D.L.

00:15:09.000 Hewley's saying, anytime I say something is racist, it's racist against the evidence.

00:15:13.000 Against the evidence.

00:15:14.000 This is how the race debate is going, and that's why these racial conflagrations that President Obama is creating, they're not going to alleviate anytime soon.

00:15:21.000 He likes them.

00:15:22.000 They're good for him politically.

00:15:24.000 It's something that he wants.

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00:15:49.000 Okay, so, we're back.

00:15:51.000 Okay, so, this, this is the delusional side of the race debate, and unfortunately this is what tends to take precedence, is the delusional side of the race debate.

00:15:58.000 So, for example, another example, the editor of Ebony magazine, she's on TV, and says killing white people should not be considered a hate crime.

00:16:07.000 How do you feel about the president defining this as a hate crime?

00:16:12.000 You know, I have to say, I would not describe hate crime as the most comfortable word choice, considering these circumstances.

00:16:20.000 There's so much that we do not know about what took place, what motivated this person.

00:16:25.000 We only have the one account of law enforcement.

00:16:28.000 We haven't had the opportunity to really look into his history in a meaningful way.

00:16:33.000 When we use a phrase like hate crime, we're typically referring to crimes against people of color, people of various religious groups, LGBT people.

00:16:41.000 People who have been historically attacked, abused, or disenfranchised on the basis of their identity to now extend that to the majority group and a group of people that has a history with African Americans that has been abusive and we can apply that to either police officers or to Caucasians.

00:16:59.000 I think gets into very tricky territory.

00:17:02.000 So I'd be curious to know if he was referring to this as a hate crime because he singled them out by race, or attempted to single them out by race, or because they were police officers.

00:17:10.000 Okay, it's an amazing statement, right?

00:17:12.000 There can't be a hate crime against anybody except black people.

00:17:14.000 This is an extension of what we saw Marc Lamont Hill say a couple of days ago, black people are incapable of racism.

00:17:20.000 You can't have a conversation with this.

00:17:21.000 You can't.

00:17:22.000 Because now you're suggesting that anytime a black person kills a white person on a racial basis, there's nothing there.

00:17:29.000 We just have to pretend that nothing happened.

00:17:31.000 You can't have a conversation about that.

00:17:33.000 If you hate white cops, then it's not because you're a racist, it's just because you hate white cops.

00:17:39.000 This is insanity.

00:17:40.000 But this is the delusional conversation we have, and it's all over the TV.

00:17:43.000 All over the TV.

00:17:44.000 There's another TV host.

00:17:45.000 This one, I think, is the former Miss Alabama. 1.00

00:17:47.000 She actually, the other day, called the Dallas killer a martyr.

00:17:51.000 So she had to come out yesterday and acknowledge that and apologize for it.

00:17:56.000 I never said that I don't care about it.

00:17:59.000 I never said anything negative about the officers.

00:18:03.000 I always said that I'm struggling with my feelings.

00:18:07.000 You also said, I don't feel sad.

00:18:10.000 And you said that you viewed him as a martyr.

00:18:13.000 So you've got to be able to understand why people are really angry at you, no?

00:18:21.000 The word martyr is what the headlines said and what people have been holding on, and I understand that the use of that word really triggered people.

00:18:27.000 Of course, you know, I was very emotional at the time, and I can't... I could have chosen a different word.

00:18:34.000 I mean, that I definitely don't agree with, but you know, we're all human.

00:18:37.000 I'm not perfect, and people say things and things are taken out of context all the time, so I keep explaining to people.

00:18:44.000 That the word, um, I wish I had chosen another word.

00:18:48.000 I just have to take responsibility for the word I used at that time.

00:18:51.000 And I take responsibility for the use of that word.

00:18:53.000 But the context in which I was thinking about martyr was for the definition.

00:18:57.000 If you look it up, it says a person who dies for his belief.

00:19:00.000 I keep telling people, Micah Johnson is not a hero.

00:19:03.000 He's not a martyr to me.

00:19:05.000 I don't believe in a cause that calls for the killing of individuals.

00:19:08.000 So yeah, in hindsight, I look back and I could have used a different word, but I definitely didn't use that word to raise him up, glorify what he did, or condone any actions.

00:19:18.000 Of course she meant to glorify and raise him up.

00:19:20.000 And this is the problem, okay?

00:19:21.000 Again, it's this delusional sense that you're talking now about a black guy who murders white cops for no reason.

00:19:28.000 For no reason.

00:19:28.000 They didn't do anything to him.

00:19:30.000 For no reason.

00:19:31.000 And he's being called a martyr.

00:19:32.000 And again, this is common, folks.

00:19:34.000 It's common.

00:19:34.000 It's not a fringe thing.

00:19:36.000 This is endemic in the roots of leftist ideology.

00:19:40.000 Here's another one.

00:19:41.000 An HLN guest comparing the Dallas cop shooter to a kid punching a bully.

00:19:44.000 Oh, the kid's fighting back.

00:19:46.000 Fighting back by murdering innocent people.

00:19:48.000 I want to put this in terms that the youngest person in your audience can understand.

00:19:52.000 Pretend like this is daycare or elementary school and there is a bully that is kicking your butt every single day that you go to class.

00:20:02.000 And finally, after you get in your butt kicked so many times, somebody rushes in and knocks that bully down.

00:20:08.000 Wow, Spirit, you're actually, wait, wait, Spirit, you realize what you just did, right?

00:20:12.000 You're now comparing this guy who ambushed the police officers to someone who rescues from a bully?

00:20:18.000 You're gonna end up, you're gonna end up like Kalen!

00:20:21.000 I mean, come on!

00:20:22.000 Listen to what I'm saying!

00:20:23.000 Listen to what I'm saying!

00:20:24.000 No, I'm not finished, Dan!

00:20:26.000 You hear what I'm saying?

00:20:27.000 We've heard what she has to say.

00:20:28.000 I mean, that's what she has to say.

00:20:30.000 And this is becoming a common view.

00:20:31.000 And Obama sums it up, right?

00:20:33.000 As I mentioned at the very outset, President Obama had DeRay McKesson to the White House.

00:20:36.000 DeRay McKesson is a race-baiting, race-rioting fan.

00:20:40.000 And Obama has him to the White House to discuss race relations.

00:20:44.000 That's who Obama is.

00:20:45.000 And then afterward, he releases this ridiculous statement.

00:20:50.000 Not only are there very real problems, but there are still deep divisions about how to solve these problems.

00:21:00.000 There's no doubt that police departments still feel embattled and unjustly accused.

00:21:07.000 And there is no doubt that minority communities, communities of color, still feel like it just takes too long to do what's right.

00:21:19.000 And the pace of change is going to feel too fast for some and too slow for others.

00:21:29.000 And sadly, because this is a huge country that is very diverse, and we have a lot of police departments, I think it is fair to say that we will see more tension in police, between police and communities,

00:21:49.000 This month?

00:21:49.000 Next month?

00:21:51.000 Next year?

00:21:53.000 For quite some time.

00:21:54.000 Yes, because of you.

00:21:56.000 Yes, because of you.

00:21:57.000 Okay, we can stop it there.

00:21:58.000 Yes, because of you.

00:22:00.000 Okay, look at the polling data.

00:22:02.000 Look at the polling data.

00:22:03.000 A huge percentage of Americans thought we were moving in the right direction on race.

00:22:07.000 Black, white, Hispanic.

00:22:08.000 We all thought, when he took office, we were moving in the right direction on race.

00:22:11.000 That is now down below 30%.

00:22:12.000 That's because of him.

00:22:14.000 That's because he's going out there, and he's exacerbating tensions, suggesting that the police are out to get black kids, and that the police won't recognize the plight of black kids.

00:22:23.000 That's why.

00:22:24.000 That's why.

00:22:25.000 Because he's creating this false perception, and he does it not just by saying the police need to stop hassling black kids so much when they see them on the street.

00:22:33.000 You know, they could be nicer in their interactions.

00:22:36.000 Not by saying that, which is at least arguable, but by saying the police are out there targeting and shooting black kids.

00:22:42.000 You say that a group of people is out there to target and shoot you.

00:22:45.000 Are you gonna be surprised when those people are out in the streets rioting and protesting?

00:22:48.000 And getting violent?

00:22:49.000 Is that really surprising?

00:22:51.000 I mean, forget about whether he's responsible for them doing those things.

00:22:53.000 Is it surprising that that happens?

00:22:56.000 When you're ginning up those sorts of emotions in people?

00:22:59.000 Of course not.

00:23:01.000 Bill Maher says that he was surprised nobody had shot a cop sooner based on the amount of terrible things that are happening.

00:23:07.000 Bill Maher.

00:23:07.000 With Chris Matthews on MSNBC.

00:23:09.000 What do you think, Bill Maher?

00:23:11.000 You look like a Keebler dwarf. 1.00

00:23:13.000 Come on, go for it, Bill.

00:23:15.000 When it comes to the police, look, there's never any excuse for what happened.

00:23:21.000 For shooting a policeman?

00:23:22.000 Of course, we all condemn that.

00:23:24.000 There's no and, ifs, or buts.

00:23:26.000 I don't condone it, but I do understand it.

00:23:29.000 We have seen it.

00:23:29.000 You understand that guy?

00:23:31.000 Well, I understand the motivation, yes.

00:23:33.000 I mean, how many videos can you see?

00:23:35.000 How many years can go by when this is going on, when black people are brutally assaulted?

00:23:41.000 I mean, the last one, the guy was just right on the ground, and he put a slug in him.

00:23:47.000 I'm surprised somebody did not fire back sooner.

00:23:51.000 Okay, I'm surprised somebody did not fire back sooner.

00:23:54.000 I missed it.

00:23:55.000 When did these cops shoot at Micah Johnson?

00:23:57.000 I missed that part.

00:23:58.000 I missed the part where they were shooting at him and then he fired back, where they were assaulting him and then he fired back.

00:24:02.000 I missed that part.

00:24:03.000 I missed the part where Alton Sterling wasn't resisting arrest and didn't have a gun in his pocket illegally and probably reached for the gun.

00:24:09.000 I missed that part.

00:24:11.000 But again, this is the part where the left oversteps its boundaries.

00:24:15.000 They're not making a case that's real.

00:24:16.000 They're not making a case that's honest.

00:24:18.000 And I do love the—the reason I laughed there is because I love the statement from Bill Maher where he says,

00:24:27.000 And then he proceeds to give you why he understands why people are shooting cops.

00:24:32.000 I mean, it really is amazing stuff.

00:24:33.000 Okay, so that's the delusional side of this debate, and that's the debate that's being had, is with the delusional.

00:24:38.000 The people who think that cops are out there, they get out there every morning looking to kill black kids.

00:24:42.000 That's the part of the debate, and Obama's pushing that, right?

00:24:45.000 Obama's not pushing the idea that low-level use of force against black people who are innocent is too prominent.

00:24:51.000 That's not the case that he's making.

00:24:53.000 Right?

00:24:53.000 Even that would be a controversial case.

00:24:55.000 But that's not the case he's making.

00:24:56.000 He's making the case that there's a systemic racism that results in a disproportionate number of black people going to prison.

00:25:02.000 False.

00:25:02.000 And that, number two, a disproportionate number of black people are being shot by police.

00:25:06.000 False.

00:25:07.000 So he's saying two false things instead of one thing that may be quasi-true.

00:25:11.000 Here's the thing that's quasi-true, okay?

00:25:13.000 Tim Scott, black senator from South Carolina, right?

00:25:16.000 And he gave a speech on the floor of the Senate yesterday in which he talked about his experience with racial profiling, with what he thinks is racial profiling.

00:25:23.000 So here's the senator.

00:25:25.000 I want to go to a time in my life when I was an elected official and share just a couple of stories as an elected official.

00:25:33.000 But please remember that in the course of one year, I've been stopped seven times.

00:25:40.000 We're good to go.

00:25:58.000 I was pulled over for nothing more than driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood or some other reason just as trivial.

00:26:09.000 Okay, and then he explains what those reasons are.

00:26:11.000 So, there's a couple things to say here.

00:26:13.000 Number one, you don't get to say, I like Tim Scott, but you don't get to say you were pulled over seven times and then say two of those were legit, right?

00:26:19.000 So you're really pulled over five.

00:26:21.000 If you were pulled over, like, I have been pulled over in the course of one year certainly five times.

00:26:26.000 Like, really?

00:26:27.000 I mean, for goodness sake, I've gotten more traffic tickets than anybody I know.

00:26:32.000 It's been several years since I got a traffic ticket, because the last one that I got was I was caught going 113 on the I-5.

00:26:38.000 They caught me at 113, which was good, because I was going 128 at one point.

00:26:41.000 But in any case, that was the last time I sped, because I learned my lesson.

00:26:44.000 But the point is that, number one, if he's going to say that he's being racially profiled, he acknowledges at least a couple of those times the pullover was legit.

00:26:52.000 Then he talks about situations in which he was pulled over.

00:26:55.000 He's a black guy driving a nice new car in a predominantly white community, and he was pulled over.

00:27:00.000 Now, what he doesn't say is whether he was brutally assaulted in those circumstances.

00:27:03.000 Like, they pulled him over.

00:27:05.000 Okay, let's say that the pullover was they pulled him over for driving while black.

00:27:08.000 Number one, the statistics show, forget anecdotal evidence, the statistics tend to show that

00:27:15.000 Unfortunately, black drivers speed more than white drivers. 0.99

00:27:17.000 They did this experiment in New Jersey, and they found that 25% of the people being pulled over, 23% sorry, were black. 0.93

00:27:24.000 25% of all the speeders in New Jersey were black, so it was actually slightly underwhelming, right? 0.97

00:27:28.000 So, they pulled him over.

00:27:30.000 He doesn't explain what happened that was so terrible.

00:27:32.000 He gives one example, I think, Tim Scott, of him coming to the Capitol building, and he has his Senator pin on, and the guard says, I want to see your ID.

00:27:39.000 And he says, well, why?

00:27:40.000 And he says, well, I recognize the pin, but I don't recognize you.

00:27:43.000 He says, well, that's that's racist.

00:27:45.000 Is that racist or is it because the guard legitimately doesn't know him?

00:27:48.000 It's his first time at the Senate.

00:27:49.000 Like, why?

00:27:51.000 That seems, again, if you name the officer and you name what he did wrong, then we can actually fight officer racism.

00:27:58.000 If you just name things where you are perceiving racism, where it may or may not exist, it makes it very difficult to fight it.

00:28:05.000 Now, he could make a different argument.

00:28:06.000 He could make the argument that was being made by this Harvard study, which is—I keep mentioning this Harvard study because I'm actually—I like statistics and I'm interested in actual academic studies.

00:28:15.000 There's some flaws with this Harvard study.

00:28:16.000 A lot of criminologists say that it's got some problems.

00:28:19.000 The part of the study that's important to me, the part that I care about in this particular study,

00:28:24.000 from this Harvard professor.

00:28:28.000 It says this, quote,

00:28:47.000 If they didn't do any of these things, then the study calls them perfectly compliant.

00:28:51.000 And then they say, when we take perfectly compliant individuals and we control for civilian officer encounter and location variables, black civilians are 21.1% more likely to have any force used against them compared to white civilians with the same reported compliance behavior. 0.51

00:29:06.000 It's going a little deeper than the headlines.

00:29:07.000 So what that means is when the officer turns you around and puts his hands on you, he's more likely to do that with a perfectly compliant black civilian than he is with a similar perfectly compliant white civilian. 0.77

00:29:18.000 Now, when you escalate the force, those percentages go down.

00:29:22.000 Instead of it being 21% more likely that a black civilian is going to have the hands put on, now it's 20% more likely that you're going to be shot if you're white than if you're black.

00:29:30.000 So the theory of the authors is that there's still this systemic discrimination and that as the punishment increases for systemic discrimination, right, like based on shootings, then people will discriminate less.

00:29:42.000 This ignores a couple of things.

00:29:43.000 One, if you even- I mean, I know police officers in New York and LA, and I called both of them yesterday.

00:29:48.000 And I said, okay, so aren't you punished if you just put your hands on an innocent suspect?

00:29:53.000 Like, if you have no reason, you put your hands on them.

00:29:55.000 Isn't that a problem?

00:29:56.000 Like, won't your department- And they said, yes, there's a full investigation anytime somebody makes a complaint of that sort.

00:30:02.000 So, if you think something racist happened to you, number one, make a complaint.

00:30:07.000 Number two, it's also possible that these are not the only variables as far as compliance, because there are lots of things that make you non-compliant, right?

00:30:15.000 If you're not just talking back to a verbally threatening an officer, what if they talk back to the officer, not just threaten, but say F you to the officer, which is pretty common, people saying F you to the officer, right?

00:30:25.000 Bottom line is, if you say things to an officer that are, you know,

00:30:29.000 That rubbed the officer the wrong way, it's more likely the officer is going to grab you and push you or do something to you.

00:30:35.000 We don't know that.

00:30:36.000 The information here isn't specific enough for all of that.

00:30:39.000 I talked with Heather McDonald, the author of The War on Cops, yesterday about this exact part of the study, and one of the things that we talked about was, how exact can you be with this sort of data?

00:30:49.000 How exact can you be?

00:30:50.000 And she said she's not aware that there is any sort of exactitude with this sort of data.

00:30:54.000 But let's assume that that's right.

00:30:56.000 Let's assume that the reason that this is happening is because there's some sort of racial and behavioral profiling going on.

00:31:00.000 Now we have to, as a society, make some decisions.

00:31:03.000 Are we willing to... And these are real questions that require real answers.

00:31:08.000 And you don't get to just end around it, right?

00:31:11.000 Are we willing... It's the same question we ask about racial and ethnic profiling of people from the Middle East with regard to terrorism.

00:31:18.000 Are you willing to sacrifice more lives and have more people die and have more crime committed because you don't want to be involved in so-called profiling?

00:31:26.000 So, last night on CNN, there was one of these town hall events.

00:31:31.000 And a former Chicago Police Department officer, who's black, got up and started talking.

00:31:36.000 And it's really interesting because he's black, so he says he's experienced it on one end, but he's also experienced it from the other end.

00:31:41.000 And I think this is the kind of conversation we need to be having.

00:31:43.000 Here's the cop.

00:31:44.000 As a law enforcement officer, I had to do some profiling to protect the citizens that I swore that I would do.

00:31:52.000 Did you profile black men?

00:31:54.000 I profiled all people.

00:31:56.000 And here's why.

00:31:57.000 Because it's an effective policing tool.

00:31:59.000 But me having an appreciation and an understanding, having been on the negative side of profiling, I understand the negative connotations that it can bring.

00:32:09.000 But I also understood how effective it can be to protect those members of the community.

00:32:14.000 So it should be used.

00:32:16.000 You think it's an important part of policing and should be used?

00:32:18.000 Absolutely.

00:32:19.000 But let me underscore the real point here.

00:32:21.000 There's cultural differences here.

00:32:23.000 There's community cultural differences and there are police cultural differences.

00:32:27.000 And where we have a real opportunity here, Don, is to bridge that divide between the cultural differences.

00:32:32.000 Because when you take a police officer out of the police academy and you give him some diversity, immersion, and effective training about the community that he is going to police in, he's going to handle those citizens much differently.

00:32:45.000 Okay, so I think there's some truth to it, except I think when he talks about the diversity training and all that, that's been ineffective.

00:32:50.000 In Baltimore, you have black cops policing black communities, and it hasn't changed the calculus. 0.99

00:32:54.000 The only way you really change the calculus of excessive levels of low-level force being used disproportionately on black folks, for example, the only way you change that calculus is the same way that every other ethnic community in the United States has historically changed that calculus.

00:33:07.000 And that is, you lower the crime rate.

00:33:09.000 When Italians came to the United States and became Italian-Americans, their crime rate was really high.

00:33:15.000 And it was really high because there was mafia involvement and because the police didn't go into those communities.

00:33:20.000 And there were really, really bad relations.

00:33:21.000 Look historically.

00:33:22.000 Terrible relations between the cops and the Italian population.

00:33:25.000 The same thing was true of the Hispanic population.

00:33:28.000 The same thing was true, actually, of the early Eastern European Jewish population in the United States.

00:33:31.000 It was considered a crime-ridden slum.

00:33:34.000 And then what happened?

00:33:35.000 The crime rates went down, relations with the cops get better.

00:33:38.000 There is no such thing as a low crime community with bad relations with the cops.

00:33:43.000 It doesn't exist.

00:33:44.000 It doesn't exist.

00:33:46.000 And the fact is, unfortunately, the only way that you're going to make this problem disappear is through one of two things.

00:33:53.000 Either the community itself has to handle internally its crime problem, or you're gonna need more cops to handle the crime problem.

00:33:59.000 Those are the only two ways to do this.

00:34:00.000 And the left has made the first

00:34:03.000 Impossible.

00:34:03.000 They won't do it.

00:34:04.000 They won't say to people, you need to raise your kids better, you need to cooperate with the cops, you need to fight crime, you need to have a father for your kid when the kid is growing up in the house.

00:34:12.000 We can't do that, right?

00:34:12.000 We saw yesterday people saying that, Whoopi Goldberg saying it's racist for Rudy Giuliani to say that it's worthwhile to have a father in the home.

00:34:19.000 Is it racist for that black Dallas police chief to say the same thing?

00:34:22.000 That's what you need to do in order to quash the crime problem.

00:34:26.000 And what's happening, because we can't discuss the first issue, which is the level of the culture that creates crime in inner-city black communities, because we can't discuss that, we have to move to the second issue, which is, what do we do with the police to help fix this? 0.98

00:34:40.000 And then it turns out we don't like what the police are doing in order to fix this.

00:34:43.000 If you won't solve the first problem, you end up with the second problem.

00:34:46.000 Bill Maher, you know, said something that I think is worthwhile and worthy of exploration.

00:34:50.000 Last night, same broadcast, he says, without cops, the country would look like the Purge.

00:34:53.000 Here's what he had to say.

00:34:55.000 You know, well, what do you think these are motives?

00:34:57.000 I think the motive differs in every case, but you're the guest tonight.

00:35:01.000 What do you think causes all this?

00:35:02.000 I see the common nature.

00:35:04.000 White police officer kills black person, apparently without justification.

00:35:09.000 What else is going on here?

00:35:11.000 Is it prejudice?

00:35:12.000 I interviewed a policeman once on my old show, and he said, when I worked in the black neighborhood, I hated all black people.

00:35:18.000 When I worked in the Latino neighborhood, I hated all Latino people. 1.00

00:35:22.000 And when I worked here in the San Fernando Valley, I hated the white people. 0.96

00:35:26.000 And you do basically come up against not the good people.

00:35:31.000 That's what you're dealing with.

00:35:32.000 That's your job.

00:35:32.000 That's so true.

00:35:34.000 You're a policeman.

00:35:34.000 You know, you deal with criminals.

00:35:36.000 So there is some of that.

00:35:37.000 There is also something very wrong with police culture.

00:35:40.000 Now, once again, we're not indicting all the police.

00:35:44.000 And certainly, without the police, this country would look like that movie The Purge every night.

00:35:50.000 Okay, so a couple of things there.

00:35:51.000 One, he says there's something wrong with police culture.

00:35:53.000 If you go into what can only be—when you're dealing with criminals, it's quote-unquote enemy territory with criminals.

00:35:59.000 Not with the rest of the community, but it's exactly like American soldiers in Iraq trying to distinguish civilians from criminals.

00:36:05.000 Right?

00:36:05.000 I mean, it's exactly like that.

00:36:06.000 You have armed men in an area where they are charged with getting the bad guys.

00:36:10.000 It doesn't mean that inner cities are Iraq.

00:36:12.000 They aren't.

00:36:12.000 The proportions are not the same between civilians and terrorists, obviously, or civilians and criminals.

00:36:17.000 But the mentality is very similar, and this is why we tend to lump in, in our own heads, police people and people who are members of the military.

00:36:23.000 That requires a certain amount of putting your humanity to the side.

00:36:28.000 And cops do their best, they really do, to not do that.

00:36:31.000 And it's a very difficult job, the same way it is for the military.

00:36:34.000 We've got to appreciate that.

00:36:35.000 That's number one.

00:36:35.000 Number two, here's the problem.

00:36:37.000 Marge says, without the cops, the country would look like the Purge.

00:36:40.000 That's not true everywhere.

00:36:41.000 It's actually not true everywhere, right?

00:36:43.000 There are places in Texas where, if there were no cops, the country still would not look like the Purge because people know their neighbors.

00:36:51.000 Because people all have guns, so if there were somebody who were doing something bad, they would shoot them.

00:36:55.000 Right?

00:36:55.000 I know that if you left my Jewish community to itself, just the Jewish community because it's the community I know, my religious community.

00:37:01.000 If you left us to ourselves, it would not look like the Purge.

00:37:04.000 Right?

00:37:04.000 Because there are common ties that we share.

00:37:06.000 And that common tie includes being law-abiding and helping each other out.

00:37:11.000 When you don't work on the social fabric, that's when you need the cops, and then you're upset because the cops come in, and the cops are not perfect, and the cops do bad things, and the cops can get overzealous, and the cops can be brutal to people.

00:37:22.000 One or the other has to happen.

00:37:24.000 But we're not talking about solutions in this conversation.

00:37:26.000 Instead, we're just blaming cops for things they don't do, suggesting that all cops are racist, and pretending that's the real problem.

00:37:32.000 If you think that's the real problem, the solution is to get rid of the cops.

00:37:34.000 But the problem right now is that Bill Maher is right.

00:37:36.000 If you do get rid of the cops, in a lot of these communities, there is no social fabric, and so you will have mass killings.

00:37:41.000 And that's exactly what's been happening throughout the United States in areas where the crime is rising, as the Ferguson effect takes place.

00:37:48.000 Okay.

00:37:49.000 I want to shift topic briefly.

00:37:51.000 Hillary Clinton, as we mentioned before, she's absolutely sinking in the polls. 0.80

00:37:54.000 She's having a really rough ride in the polls.

00:37:56.000 And Hillary Clinton is having a rough ride in the polls because she's a terrible candidate. 1.00

00:38:01.000 She's legitimately the worst candidate of my lifetime. 1.00

00:38:03.000 She should be blowing Trump out.

00:38:05.000 She's not, which I think is a good thing.

00:38:08.000 But she's, you know, she is a terrible, terrible candidate.

00:38:12.000 I'll give you an example.

00:38:13.000 So, yesterday Hillary Clinton was talking about all the terrible things that Donald Trump is going to do as president.

00:38:19.000 All the horrible things he's going to do as president.

00:38:22.000 And here's what she said.

00:38:25.000 Imagine if he had not just Twitter and cable news to go after his critics and opponents, but also the IRS.

00:38:35.000 Or for that matter, our entire military.

00:38:38.000 Given what we have seen and heard

00:38:41.000 Do any of us think he'd be restrained?

00:38:47.000 And he has shown contempt for and ignorance of our Constitution.

00:38:52.000 Okay, so a couple of things there, Hillary.

00:38:56.000 One, you say, wouldn't it be bad if the President of the United States used the IRS to target his political opponents?

00:39:03.000 Hello!

00:39:04.000 You were there.

00:39:06.000 By the way, your own husband's IRS did some of the same stuff, but your boss did that.

00:39:11.000 Right?

00:39:11.000 Like, we here in this office know that because there are a bunch of people here who worked for the least secret secret organization in America, Friends of Abe, right?

00:39:19.000 501c3, that was trying to get approved and failed, right?

00:39:22.000 And failed because of Lois Lerner and the IRS.

00:39:25.000 So this is the problem for Hillary. 1.00

00:39:26.000 Every time she knocks Trump, she ends up knocking herself.

00:39:28.000 She says, he doesn't care about the Constitution.

00:39:30.000 I agree.

00:39:31.000 I don't think Trump cares about the Constitution.

00:39:33.000 Yesterday, Donald Trump came out and he was asked, this is an amazing thing, Donald Trump was asked yesterday about, do you care if the Republicans lose the Senate?

00:39:40.000 And his reply was, yeah, I would like to retain the Senate, but actually I don't really mind that much because it would be fun to be a free agent.

00:39:47.000 Okay, for all you people who think Donald Trump cares about the Supreme Court, you be stupid, gang.

00:39:52.000 Okay, the fact is, Donald Trump doesn't care about the Supreme Court.

00:39:55.000 If there's a Republican Senate, maybe he's pressured into making a conservative Supreme Court pick, but that's the whole point.

00:40:00.000 He doesn't care whether there's a Republican Senate because he doesn't care about that issue.

00:40:04.000 The only real issue in America that requires the Supreme Court is the SCOTUS pick, is the Supreme Court pick, and he doesn't care about it, right?

00:40:10.000 He'd like to be a free agent.

00:40:12.000 Which means he wants to cut deals with Democrats, which means you can kiss goodbye to that fantasy wall you're all building in your heads.

00:40:18.000 But in any case, Hillary says that she doesn't care about the Constitution. 0.99

00:40:21.000 I agree.

00:40:22.000 She hates the Constitution. 0.81

00:40:24.000 I mean, she would dip that Constitution in acid and then set it on fire, and then set it on fire again, and then put it out, and then dip it in acid again, and just continue doing that over and over. 1.00

00:40:34.000 Every attack that she drops on him backfires on her.

00:40:39.000 I mean, it's a third-grade election, right?

00:40:41.000 No matter what you say, I'm rubber and you're glue.

00:40:44.000 Everything you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

00:40:47.000 And Trump should basically just say that.

00:40:49.000 Hillary did the same thing. 0.99

00:40:50.000 She says, the Trump campaign is pitting Americans against each other.

00:40:53.000 His campaign is as divisive as any we have seen in our lifetimes.

00:41:00.000 It is built

00:41:02.000 on stoking mistrust and pitting American against American.

00:41:10.000 It's there in everything he says and everything he promises to do as president.

00:41:17.000 It's there in how he wants to ban Muslims from coming to the United States and toyed with creating a database to track Muslims in America.

00:41:28.000 It's there in the way he demeans women

00:41:32.000 In his promotion of an anti-Semitic image pushed by neo-Nazis.

00:41:38.000 Yeah, we can stop it there.

00:41:40.000 She's not saying anything about Trump that isn't true.

00:41:42.000 But she just went on TV two days ago and said white Americans basically need to apologize to black Americans.

00:41:47.000 Her top advisor, Sidney Blumenthal, has a son who says that Israel is a Nazi state.

00:41:52.000 Hillary Clinton, everything that she's saying about disdain for women, my God, she attacks rape victims. 1.00

00:41:59.000 This is why Hillary is failing, and no one trusts her, and the polls show that. 1.00

00:42:01.000 So again, this isn't about Donald Trump getting stronger, it's about Hillary Clinton getting weaker.

00:42:06.000 And, you know, she should continue to get weaker. 0.98

00:42:08.000 I'm hoping that eventually, by the time of the election, only 2% of the American population votes, and the other 98% of us have moved somewhere else.

00:42:15.000 You know, we've all moved to Texas, basically, and they're seceding, because that's the only solution here, because these two candidates are the worst, and Hillary is horrible. 1.00

00:42:24.000 Okay.

00:42:25.000 Time for things I like, things I hate, and then the mailbag, because time has no meaning here on The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:42:30.000 So, we'll start with things I like.

00:42:32.000 She's been doing surprise endings in movies. 0.59

00:42:34.000 I don't think that I've done this movie before, but we've done 150 episodes, so if I forgot, then tough.

00:42:39.000 You'll see it again.

00:42:40.000 This movie, Unbreakable.

00:42:41.000 I don't know.

00:42:59.000 Bar none.

00:43:00.000 This was a good movie that has a real cult following.

00:43:02.000 It didn't do well when it came out, but it's become kind of a cult hit now.

00:43:05.000 The movie Unbreakable.

00:43:07.000 So here is the basis of the movie is this guy, Bruce Willis, who is in a disaster and he survives.

00:43:14.000 And the question is why he survives the disaster and everybody else died.

00:43:23.000 Hi.

00:43:23.000 You're in the emergency room in the Philadelphia City Hospital.

00:43:33.000 I'm gonna ask you some questions.

00:43:35.000 Where were you sitting on the train?

00:43:38.000 Against the window.

00:43:41.000 In the passenger car?

00:43:43.000 Yes.

00:43:53.000 You're certain you were in the passenger car?

00:43:56.000 Yeah.

00:43:58.000 Where are the other passengers?

00:44:05.000 Your train derailed.

00:44:06.000 Took a curve too fast.

00:44:07.000 A second train collided with yours after it derailed.

00:44:13.000 The debris spread over one mile.

00:44:19.000 Why are you looking at me like that?

00:44:22.000 There are two reasons why I'm looking at you like this.

00:44:26.000 One, because it seems you aren't the only survivor of this train wreck.

00:44:32.000 And two,

00:44:35.000 You don't have a scratch on you.

00:44:39.000 I know what's going through your mind right now.

00:44:57.000 Shyamalan's films to put up here, and Sixth Sense wasn't even part of the equation.

00:45:01.000 I also like The Village, which is actually a really underrated film.

00:45:05.000 There's part of it that's dumb with Adrian Brody, but the rest of the movie is actually really good, and really interesting, and raises questions.

00:45:11.000 But Unbreakable's a good movie.

00:45:13.000 It's a little slow, but it builds suspense, and it's got this kind of cult following.

00:45:17.000 People actually talked about them doing a sequel, but it never really happened.

00:45:20.000 Okay, things that I hate.

00:45:21.000 So, as I mentioned early on, ESPN has the ESPY Awards.

00:45:25.000 I think the ESPY Awards are just dumb.

00:45:27.000 Like, I don't know why we're having awards by athletes to other athletes.

00:45:32.000 Why do I care?

00:45:33.000 I don't.

00:45:33.000 But, yesterday I'm working out, and they're doing the run-up to the ESPYs, and I said to my trainer, I said, look, I know, I know, this is gonna be all Black Lives Matter all the time, because ESPN is trying to draw a black audience, and so the way they think they're gonna do that is by politically pandering.

00:45:48.000 Naturally, that's exactly what happened.

00:45:49.000 So it started off at the beginning of the ESPYs with, I think it's Dwayne Wade and Chris Paul and LeBron James.

00:45:55.000 And I'm trying to remember who the fourth guy is.

00:45:58.000 And they're all standing there talking about Black Lives Matter.

00:46:00.000 Open the ESPYs.

00:46:01.000 Remember, this is a sports award show.

00:46:03.000 And they open up by saying the police are evil, basically.

00:46:06.000 Tonight is a celebration of sports.

00:46:08.000 Celebrating our accomplishments and our victories.

00:46:11.000 But, in this moment of celebration, we actually start the show tonight this way.

00:46:17.000 The four of us talking to our fellow athletes with the country watching.

00:46:20.000 Because we cannot ignore the realities of the current state of America.

00:46:24.000 The events of the past week have put a spotlight on the injustice, distrust, and anger that plague so many of us.

00:46:31.000 The system is broken.

00:46:33.000 The problems are not new.

00:46:34.000 The violence and the racial divide definitely is not new.

00:46:39.000 But the urgency to create change is at an all-time high.

00:46:44.000 We stand here tonight accepting our role in uniting communities to be the change we need to see.

00:46:51.000 We stand before you as fathers, sons, husbands, brothers, uncles, and in my case, as an African-American man and the nephew of a police officer who is one of the hundreds of thousands of great officers serving this country.

00:47:07.000 But, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown,

00:47:13.000 Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, Laquan McDonald, Alton Sterling, Philando Castile.

00:47:23.000 This is also our reality.

00:47:27.000 Generations ago, legends like Jesse Owens... It goes on like this.

00:47:30.000 It goes on like this.

00:47:30.000 Number one, it's a sports show.

00:47:31.000 I didn't tune in for this.

00:47:33.000 But, people say, well, can't they have their opinions?

00:47:35.000 Sure, they can have their opinions, and I can have mine, and I think this is idiotic.

00:47:38.000 If I want to watch sports, I want to watch sports.

00:47:40.000 If I want to watch a movie, I want to watch a movie.

00:47:41.000 I don't want to turn on ESPN and be watching MSNBC with footballs.

00:47:45.000 That's just my opinion.

00:47:46.000 I'm allowed to have it.

00:47:47.000 They're allowed to say what they want.

00:47:48.000 I don't have to like it.

00:47:49.000 Number two, what he's saying is bull.

00:47:51.000 Okay, when he lists off those names, there's only one name there that we know for sure was a bad shoot, and that's Laquan McDonald.

00:47:57.000 Every other name there is the very least controversial.

00:48:01.000 Trayvon Martin punched George Zimmerman in the face and then pounded his head on the pavement and was found innocent by a jury, George Zimmerman.

00:48:08.000 He was acquitted by a jury.

00:48:09.000 And the Eric Holder Department of Justice couldn't find evidence that it was a racist killing.

00:48:13.000 They couldn't bring a federal hate crime investigation or any federal investigation.

00:48:18.000 In the case of Eric Garner in New York, he didn't die because they choked him out.

00:48:22.000 He died because they put him in a submission hold.

00:48:24.000 Right?

00:48:24.000 A submission hold is not a chokehold.

00:48:26.000 They are two different things.

00:48:27.000 One crushes your windpipe, one cuts off the blood to your brain, and it's supposed to restore afterward.

00:48:32.000 He was a very overweight man, and he died in the ambulance after not complying with police.

00:48:36.000 Right?

00:48:36.000 When you talk about Michael Brown, obviously that was a good shoot.

00:48:39.000 When you're talking about Alton Sterling, Alton Sterling is very possibly a good shoot, and Philando Castile we don't even know anything about yet.

00:48:47.000 But it doesn't matter, they go on national TV and they start promoting this propaganda.

00:48:50.000 And then if that weren't enough, if that weren't enough, Obama has to make an appearance at the ESPYs.

00:48:54.000 Because he has to be everywhere, Obama.

00:48:58.000 Zavion gave his life to save someone else's.

00:49:02.000 What's our excuse for not acting?

00:49:04.000 Not one more!

00:49:05.000 We have to ask ourselves, is this the world we want our kids to grow up in?

00:49:10.000 Are we just gonna accept these tragedies at the price for our freedom and move on?

00:49:15.000 It's up to all of us to build a country that's worthy of Xavion's promise.

00:49:22.000 That's what we owe him.

00:49:24.000 That's what we owe all of our kids.

00:49:27.000 Okay, and so he starts pushing for gun control.

00:49:29.000 Again.

00:49:30.000 Again.

00:49:30.000 He's pushing for gun control on a sports program.

00:49:34.000 All I wanna do is watch the sports.

00:49:36.000 That's not too much to ask, is it?

00:49:38.000 I don't understand.

00:49:40.000 And I don't wanna hear, oh well, everyone has a social responsibility to speak out.

00:49:45.000 Okay.

00:49:46.000 Do it on your own time.

00:49:48.000 Do it on your own time.

00:49:49.000 But I was under the impression that ESPN was supposed to be a non-political sports channel.

00:49:54.000 That was my impression.

00:49:55.000 If I wanted to watch politics, I'd move over to Fox News or MSNBC or CNN.

00:49:59.000 I do politics for a living.

00:50:01.000 Can we have any area of American life that's left free from politics for just a second?

00:50:05.000 Or does everything have to be... And the truth is that all of this is about the media celebrating themselves.

00:50:09.000 Look how courageous we are for taking our sports stars and putting them at career risk.

00:50:13.000 It's not a career risk for these guys to do that, come on.

00:50:15.000 These guys are not risking anything to say this kind of stuff.

00:50:17.000 It makes them popular.

00:50:18.000 The media are cheering for them.

00:50:19.000 It's not controversial, and it's not a career risk if nobody is going to punish you if you say it.

00:50:27.000 Instead, you get plaudits for being a real stand-up person for doing this sort of routine.

00:50:31.000 Joe Biden, by the way, came by the ESPYs.

00:50:34.000 Here's the Vice President of the United States, Joe Biden, showing up at the ESPYs, too.

00:50:38.000 Everyone shows up.

00:50:40.000 Thank you.

00:50:41.000 Thank you so much.

00:50:43.000 Like Jimmy V, my son, Bo, never let cancer touch his heart or his soul.

00:50:52.000 To the end, my Bo worried about his family more than himself.

00:50:58.000 He lived his entire life.

00:51:00.000 He's giving an award to Craig Sager over cancer.

00:51:04.000 Lots of people in the United States have had cancer.

00:51:06.000 Lots of them.

00:51:06.000 Lots of athletes have had cancer.

00:51:08.000 What the hell is Joe Biden doing there?

00:51:10.000 All this is is propaganda for the Obama-Biden administration.

00:51:12.000 That's all this is.

00:51:14.000 It's an in-kind donation to the Obama-Biden administration.

00:51:17.000 But, you know, this is how it goes now.

00:51:18.000 This is how controlled the media are by the left.

00:51:21.000 It's really disappointing and disheartening.

00:51:23.000 By the way, there was a guy who sang All Lives Matter, and he added it to the Canadian national anthem, right?

00:51:28.000 Nobody gave him plaudits.

00:51:29.000 He ended up being fired.

00:51:30.000 So only one type of politics inserted in sports is okay.

00:51:33.000 Okay, time for a few entries from the mailbag because, hey, again, time has no meaning.

00:51:38.000 John writes,

00:51:39.000 Dear Ben, my greatest fear is that the intolerance and thuggery of the left and their agenda will do far greater harm than just increasing our social divides and stymieing our economic growth.

00:51:48.000 They are on a mission to pervert the Constitution and undermine the structure of the Union.

00:51:52.000 Looking across the globe, do you think America is headed toward revolutionary fire?

00:51:56.000 And what will fuel the fire or will be a simultaneous push from both forces that sever our Union?

00:52:03.000 So I think the two forces he's talking about are the intolerance and thuggery of the left

00:52:08.000 And then the other is the apparent, I guess, the mission to pervert the Constitution.

00:52:14.000 I mean, both.

00:52:14.000 Both.

00:52:15.000 I mean, it's all part of the same agenda.

00:52:17.000 The bottom line is that what they're looking to do is destroy the state of the country so they can build a new country, and that means destroying the foundations of the country. 0.73

00:52:24.000 Daniel writes, Ben, you dislike Pokemon Go.

00:52:27.000 Do you also hate puppies and kittens?

00:52:28.000 I am genuinely interested.

00:52:30.000 Regards, Daniel.

00:52:31.000 Okay, so I don't...

00:52:33.000 I hate Pokemon Go.

00:52:35.000 I don't care that much about Pokemon Go.

00:52:37.000 I just think the people who are making a big deal out of Pokemon Go and are adults need to actually do something more with their lives.

00:52:44.000 Do I hate puppies and kittens?

00:52:46.000 I do not hate puppies and kittens unless they pee on me, scratch me, or bother me in any way, but I don't have puppies and kittens.

00:52:52.000 I have children.

00:52:53.000 What I do hate is a society that values puppies and kittens more than children, which is actually what's happening now.

00:52:57.000 I mean, you actually see people who are pro-abortion, but also pro-puppies and kittens.

00:53:01.000 It's like anti-baby, pro-puppies and kittens.

00:53:03.000 There's something wrong with you on a moral level.

00:53:05.000 No, I don't hate puppies and kittens.

00:53:06.000 I like dogs better than I like cats.

00:53:07.000 I don't own animals.

00:53:08.000 I'm not an animal person.

00:53:09.000 It's just not my thing.

00:53:10.000 Maybe at some point I'll be forced to get a dog for political reasons.

00:53:13.000 You know that?

00:53:14.000 Nathan writes,

00:53:16.000 What do you think is the true endgame of the Black Lives Matter and civil rights movements, not to compare the two?

00:53:21.000 Is the objective to desensitize the nation in terms of race, or is there intent to keep racial identity but simply be treated equally, or is there even an endgame?

00:53:28.000 Well, the endgame is not to be treated equally.

00:53:30.000 The endgame is that morality doesn't apply to you based on race, which is why BLM is racist.

00:53:35.000 The whole idea, and I explained this the other day, the whole idea behind Black Lives Matter is that they are taking America, segmenting it off, creating conflict, and then saying that that conflict is inherent to the DNA of the system, as President Obama says, so we have to tear down the entire system. 0.91

00:53:50.000 It's inherent in our property-based, capitalist, selfish society, and if we weren't so property-based and capitalistic and selfish, then we would just embrace a socialist identity under Bernie Sanders.

00:53:59.000 See, the BLM people and Bernie Sanders have the same goals. 1.00

00:54:02.000 They do.

00:54:03.000 The only difference is that Bernie Sanders thinks that that's a transracial goal, and the BLM people think that that's a black goal. 0.98

00:54:09.000 There's a reason BLM does not include right-wing people, even though you would think, I mean, if you're anti-police, presumably there's a libertarian contingent, but there really isn't.

00:54:17.000 Brett writes, if Hillary Clinton threw flaming kittens into a pagan altar as an animal sacrifice on live TV, would she still get votes? 0.89

00:54:24.000 Yes.

00:54:25.000 Yes, she would.

00:54:26.000 Because she openly celebrates an organization that murders one million babies a year. 1.00

00:54:32.000 So yeah.

00:54:33.000 Yeah, it turns out.

00:54:34.000 There are 300,000 babies a year.

00:54:35.000 There's a million babies that die every year in the United States, and she loves each and every one of them.

00:54:39.000 I mean, forget about flaming kittens.

00:54:40.000 I mean, this is sacrifice on the altar of Molech, so I'm not, you know... None of that shocks me. 0.86

00:54:45.000 Well, I mean, if it's a legit source, if I'm citing Bureau of Labor Statistics, for example, or if I'm citing DOJ and FBI statistics, and they say it's biased, the conversation's over.

00:55:02.000 Because if you can't even agree on the sources for the facts or what is a fact, there's no conversation to be had.

00:55:07.000 What I hate about the left is they think their opinions are facts, but facts are opinions.

00:55:12.000 They think that if they have an opinion, like America is systemically racist, that's a fact.

00:55:17.000 But if I say, here's all the reasons why that's not true, including profiling information, percentage of crime, what percentage of people resist police, percentage of murders, right?

00:55:27.000 They say, oh, that's racist.

00:55:28.000 No, that's not an opinion, that's a fact.

00:55:31.000 A fact can't be racist.

00:55:32.000 A fact is just a fact.

00:55:33.000 Your opinion can be racist, and we saw that a lot today.

00:55:37.000 Andrew writes, hey Ben, I'm 18, I don't remember much about the Bush administration.

00:55:40.000 I know the reasons libs hated Bush, but what did true conservatives not like about his two terms in office?

00:55:44.000 Blowing out the spending, mishandling the beginning of the war in Iraq before fixing it with the surge, not really having a clear strategy in Afghanistan, the idea of democratization of regions that have had no history of democracy.

00:55:57.000 And a non-interest in constitutional issues, including free speech, which is why he signed into law campaign finance reform.

00:56:04.000 Those would be the big issues with George W. Bush.

00:56:15.000 My sister's been wanting to get married for a few years, but now her boyfriend seems reluctant, mainly due to financial technicalities because he owns his own business.

00:56:21.000 That's bullcrap.

00:56:23.000 That's absolute bullcrap.

00:56:24.000 The reason he's reluctant to get married is because he doesn't want to get married.

00:56:26.000 Okay, marriage is not a decision that you make because you're financially stable.

00:56:30.000 The fact is that marriage is a decision you make because you have a moral compunction to make it.

00:56:34.000 Because there's something inside you that says, I have to get married now.

00:56:38.000 This is why, you know, old Harvard Law story, I was there and they had this Meaning of Life Dinner, what they called the Meaning of Life Dinner at the Harvard Hillel.

00:56:48.000 And there's all these people sitting around being idiots and eating Chinese food.

00:56:52.000 And they had kosher food, so I went.

00:56:54.000 So they did this routine at the very end of the night where you're supposed to go around and read whatever was in your fortune cookie.

00:56:59.000 When they got to me, I said, no one buys the cow if they can get the milk for free.

00:57:03.000 Which of course was not written in my fortune cookie, I just felt like saying it.

00:57:07.000 It's true, okay?

00:57:08.000 This is why ladies, ladies, just a piece of advice for you. 0.97

00:57:11.000 You can do what you want, you can have sex, that's your business. 0.97

00:57:14.000 On a moral level, I think what you're doing is foolish.

00:57:17.000 On a practical level, I think it's double foolish.

00:57:20.000 On a practical level, if you're having sex with a guy before marriage, hoping that this is going to entice him to marry you,

00:57:27.000 It ain't.

00:57:27.000 Okay, just a little hint.

00:57:28.000 It ain't.

00:57:29.000 And I'm speaking as someone who remained a virgin until marriage, and my wife remained a virgin until marriage, so I speak from the experience of having done that.

00:57:35.000 We've now been happily married for eight years.

00:57:37.000 So.

00:57:38.000 And we got married when we were young, right?

00:57:39.000 I was 24, she was 20.

00:57:42.000 Anyway, he says, could you comment on why you think young men are increasingly wary of getting married?

00:57:46.000 Also, is there any advice I could give her?

00:57:48.000 Well, I mean, now that she's pregnant, it's a really difficult situation.

00:57:51.000 I mean, before she was pregnant, I would have said she puts an ultimatum to him, he'd get married or I'm out. 0.60

00:57:55.000 I mean, that's what I would have said before.

00:57:58.000 Now that she's pregnant, it's very difficult because kids need a father. 0.94

00:58:02.000 So, you know, I don't know what leverage she can exert over him.

00:58:05.000 I mean, he obviously doesn't care enough about the fact that she's pregnant to marry her, which would be the honorable thing. 0.68

00:58:11.000 He sounds like not a particularly good guy.

00:58:13.000 As far as why men are wary of getting married, because what benefit is there to getting married?

00:58:18.000 Like, what's the actual benefits of getting married?

00:58:19.000 One, if you're not religious and you don't believe in the morality of getting married, what benefit is there?

00:58:24.000 It used to be the benefit was, this is why virginity until marriage mattered in the secular community. 0.99

00:58:28.000 Forget the religious community. 1.00

00:58:29.000 It mattered in the secular community because you weren't going to have sex unless you got married.

00:58:33.000 Right now you can get sex anywhere you want, so what's the point of getting married?

00:58:36.000 Because the truth is that men are looking mainly, evolutionarily speaking, for sex. 0.60

00:58:42.000 Marriage was a great deal for women, but it wasn't necessarily that great a deal for men over the course of their lifetimes.

00:58:47.000 I mean, you're married to one woman.

00:58:49.000 You can't have sex with lots of women. 1.00

00:58:51.000 Women get older. 1.00

00:58:52.000 You get older.

00:58:52.000 I mean, so it's... This is the problem with a society that doesn't value religious morality, a value that doesn't really value women.

00:59:02.000 I mean, really, it doesn't value women, because if you value a woman, you marry her, right? 0.99

00:59:05.000 If you're in love with her, you treat her like a decent human being.

00:59:08.000 You treat her with the respect to marry her.

00:59:09.000 You don't treat her like a piece of garbage. 1.00

00:59:11.000 Do you have any guilty pleasures?

00:59:30.000 Um, let me think about that one.

00:59:34.000 So, I mean, I've mentioned, I mean, everyday I come here and I mention all the entertainment stuff that I watch.

00:59:38.000 I'm trying to think of something that's really dumb that I like.

00:59:41.000 Um...

00:59:43.000 For a while it was the movie Tommy Boy.

00:59:45.000 I thought that movie was hysterically funny.

00:59:47.000 I thought it was a really funny movie and I showed it to my father one time and he looked at me like I was an insane person.

00:59:51.000 So that's probably number one on the list.

00:59:55.000 I also have a bizarre fixation whenever my wife is watching these kind of cooking shows 1.00

01:00:00.000 Like, Chopped or Hell's Kitchen or something?

01:00:02.000 I find them fascinating, which makes no sense.

01:00:04.000 I don't even understand why I like those shows, given I can't... Like, the food's pretty, but I can't taste it.

01:00:08.000 And they're making, like, pig's feet, and I can't eat that crap.

01:00:11.000 And then I go, wow, these are amazing.

01:00:13.000 Look at the talent of these people.

01:00:14.000 I don't know, maybe it tastes like garbage, but it's... Okay, so, final question.

01:00:19.000 Gabriel writes, Dear Ben, I have a question regarding your views on abortion.

01:00:22.000 I fully agree with you that toying with the definition of a human life at will is fundamentally evil.

01:00:26.000 My question is whether you think that in the case of a rape of a small girl, ending the life of the fetus is still categorically immoral.

01:00:32.000 If, heaven forbid, you had a daughter who was raped and conceived at 12 or 13, what would you do?

01:00:36.000 I understand your argument human rights are absolute and should never be violated.

01:00:39.000 In this instance, however, could the existence of the child be considered to be causing such great emotional trauma for the girl so as to be considered an externality from which the girl has the right to be defended?

01:00:49.000 Okay, so as I've said, my view on abortion is pretty simple.

01:00:53.000 It's when the mother's life is in danger, abortion is appropriate. 1.00

01:00:55.000 So, one of the aspects of mother's life being in danger is if you have a 12-year-old, 13-year-old girl, and she's literally going to kill herself because she's now carrying a rapist's child, and I can certainly see that happening.

01:01:05.000 That wouldn't be a referendum on her mental health or stability.

01:01:07.000 I can see why any woman would be in that position if she were raped and now she's carrying a child. 1.00

01:01:12.000 You know, that's... It's unthinkable.

01:01:14.000 It's unthinkable.

01:01:14.000 Which is why we should find racists and we should kill them.

01:01:17.000 That's why we should find rapists and we should castrate them. 1.00

01:01:19.000 Not put them in prison like leftists want and then let them out after three years out of mercy to the criminal.

01:01:23.000 But...

01:01:24.000 The answer is, that's my standard.

01:01:27.000 That's my standard.

01:01:28.000 Because it really, again, comes down to the value of life.

01:01:31.000 You can't value one life, the babies, over the life of the mother, right? 0.57

01:01:34.000 You can't value those two things differently.

01:01:36.000 They're valued the same, right?

01:01:37.000 Two human beings are worth the same amount, no matter what age.

01:01:40.000 Doesn't matter whether you're talking about a baby in utero or whether you're talking about the woman carrying that baby. 0.59

01:01:46.000 So, that's my answer to that particular question.

01:01:49.000 Sorry, one more, okay.

01:01:50.000 Tucker says, Ben, would you rather debate Hillary or Obama?

01:01:54.000 Um, I would be happy to debate either one of them.

01:01:57.000 I don't think that it would be a particularly hard thing to debate either one of them, actually.

01:02:03.000 I think that...

01:02:04.000 Obama is a bit smoother on his feet.

01:02:07.000 Bernie Sanders was beating Hillary in debate, Obama beat Hillary in debate, so it would be easier probably to defeat Hillary than Obama, but that's why I would probably pick Obama to debate, because I think it would be fun to actually ask him about some of the horrible and terrible things that he's done.

01:02:22.000 Okay, so we've reached the end of the week.

01:02:24.000 Over the weekend, if you could not ruin things.

01:02:27.000 I know it's the Clavin-less weekend, and this is when things tend to get ruined, and if you don't listen to Clavin's show, you should go listen to it, because it's great.

01:02:32.000 But please don't ruin things in my absence.

01:02:34.000 It might not be Mike Pence, apparently.

01:02:36.000 This is the breaking news that Donald Trump may be changing his mind.

01:02:39.000 Shocker.

01:02:40.000 So we'll find out if that's true or not, and we'll be back on Monday to comment on it.

01:02:43.000 Plus, the convention begins on Monday, so so much to talk about, always in Evergreen.

01:02:48.000 So we'll see you, have a great weekend, and we'll see you back here on Monday.

01:02:51.000 And if you don't come back,

01:02:53.000 Then we'll come to your house.

01:02:54.000 I mean, that's basically the way this works.

01:02:56.000 I mean, now that we have your subscription information.

01:02:59.000 Be there, be square.

01:03:00.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

01:03:00.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - July 14, 2016

Ep. 150 - President Uniter Meets With Race Riot Fans!

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