The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 152 - Glitz, Glamor, Chaos -- It's RNC Time!

00:00:00.000 So on Monday night, the media went totally apoplectic over Pat Smith, the mother of Sean Smith, who was murdered in the Benghazi terror attack of September 11th, 2012.

00:00:08.000 Smith blasted former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, saying, quote, Then Pat Smith concluded,

00:00:27.000 So the media lost what was left of its collective mind.

00:00:30.000 Chris Matthews, the man who presented the show, he said this was a gross accusation that ruined the night.

00:00:36.000 Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post said the accusation was extraordinary.

00:00:39.000 Rachel Maddow said Smith was, quote, playing with a very specific kind of fire that is almost impossible for me to watch, I have to say.

00:00:46.000 These are the same people who cheered wildly when the Democrats trotted out the Jersey Girls' Widows of 9-11 during the 2004 convention, you remember.

00:00:53.000 These are also the same people who will cheer wildly when the Democrats unveil their latest round of absurd pseudo-victims in order to target cops at the DNC in Philadelphia.

00:01:02.000 Here are just some of the speakers slated for the DNC.

00:01:04.000 Really, this is real.

00:01:06.000 Sabrina Fulton, the mother of Trayvon Martin.

00:01:08.000 The Democrats have tried to play Trayvon Martin's killing as a case in point of white police racism.

00:01:13.000 There are only a few problems.

00:01:14.000 First, the guy who shot him, George Zimmerman, was not white.

00:01:16.000 Second, George Zimmerman was not a cop.

00:01:18.000 Third, Trayvon Martin was, by all available evidence, sitting on top of George Zimmerman's prone body and slamming his head into the concrete when Zimmerman shot him.

00:01:26.000 Zimmerman was not only acquitted of a murder charge, the Department of Justice couldn't find anything to charge him with either.

00:01:32.000 Here's another one.

00:01:33.000 Leslie McSpadden, the mother of Michael Brown.

00:01:35.000 Michael Brown, you may remember, was a thug whose strong arm robbed a convenience store, then punched Officer Darren Wilson, tried to grab his gun and shoot him, and finally tried to charge the officer before being shot himself.

00:01:45.000 That's true according to witness testimony.

00:01:47.000 Even Holder's DOJ could not find something wrong with the shooting. 0.63

00:01:50.000 Which didn't stop the left from manufacturing from whole cloth a narrative of evil white police officers shooting black men, surrendering by shouting, hands up, don't shoot.

00:01:59.000 Or how about Gwen Carr, the mother of Eric Garner?

00:02:01.000 Eric Garner, you may remember, was not murdered by the cops.

00:02:04.000 He resisted arrest.

00:02:05.000 He was placed in a submission hold by the cops.

00:02:07.000 He then died of a heart attack because he was dramatically overweight.

00:02:10.000 He had a long history of health issues ranging from diabetes to sleep apnea to asthma that was so bad he actually had to quit a city job. 0.98

00:02:17.000 Garner certainly shouldn't have died over selling Lucy's loose cigarettes, but blaming his death on cop racism is asinine. 0.93

00:02:23.000 How about Maria Hamilton, mother of Dontre Hamilton? 0.84

00:02:26.000 You haven't heard this name, it's not really a household name, because Hamilton grabbed an officer's baton and hit him in the neck with it before the officer shot him.

00:02:32.000 The officer was fired because Hamilton was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic.

00:02:36.000 Here's another one.

00:02:37.000 Lucia McBath, mother of Jordan Davis.

00:02:39.000 Jordan Davis was murdered by Michael David Dunn, a white guy, at a gas station in Florida.

00:02:43.000 Davis was playing his music loudly in the car.

00:02:45.000 Dunn confronted him, then got a gun and shot 10 rounds into the car.

00:02:49.000 Davis was convicted of first-degree murder.

00:02:51.000 So what exactly is the problem with the criminal justice system or the cops?

00:02:55.000 Mmm.

00:02:56.000 How about Geneva Reed Veal?

00:02:58.000 She's the mother of Sandra Bland.

00:02:59.000 Remember, Sandra Bland committed suicide while in police custody.

00:03:02.000 Rumors of an evil police murder and cover-up circulated on the net.

00:03:05.000 There's no evidence to back any of it.

00:03:07.000 All of these women are deemed mothers of the movement, although what the movement is remains unclear.

00:03:12.000 There's actually one person who should speak, who's a mother of the movement.

00:03:16.000 Cleopatra Pendleton Calley, the mother of Hadiyah Pendleton.

00:03:18.000 Pendleton, you may remember, was a 15-year-old girl

00:03:21.000 We're good.

00:03:41.000 Next time Democrats, leftists, complain about Pat Smith, everyone should remind them she's telling the truth.

00:03:46.000 Her son died, Hillary did nothing to stop it, and then Hillary lied about it. 0.69

00:03:50.000 But Democrats drag out grieving mothers to push nasty smears about the cops, the criminal justice system, and gun control without any evidence at all. 1.00

00:03:57.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:03:58.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:04:05.000 Okay, so here we are.

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00:05:19.000 Okay, so lots going on in the world.

00:05:20.000 Tons and tons going on in the world.

00:05:22.000 We'll start today

00:05:41.000 I really do want to get to, first of all, this is why you need to subscribe to Daily Wire, folks, because in just a few minutes, we're going to be bringing on Heather McDonald of the Manhattan Institute, author of the new book, The War on Cops, which I think is the most important book of the year.

00:05:52.000 We'll be talking with her in a little while.

00:05:54.000 We will also be going through Hillary Clinton's NAACP speech, which is just awful.

00:05:59.000 It's just another example of the left pandering on the basis of race. 0.94

00:06:02.000 It's gross. 0.98

00:06:03.000 It's terrible. 0.83

00:06:04.000 But, obviously, we have to start with the RNC.

00:06:06.000 Yesterday was the first day of the RNC.

00:06:09.000 Now, before we start with the RNC, note, the polls are very close right now.

00:06:12.000 The polls are basically dead even.

00:06:14.000 Donald Trump has 6%, Hillary Clinton has 6%, everybody else wants to commit suicide.

00:06:18.000 Now, they're actually really around 40.

00:06:20.000 They're both around 40.

00:06:21.000 And 20% of the population wants to commit suicide.

00:06:24.000 So the point here is that Donald Trump needs a bit of a bump from this convention.

00:06:28.000 In order to get a bit of a bump from this convention, he should come out, he should be unifying, he should let people have their say and yell at him, and then he should be above the fray, right?

00:06:36.000 He should just—that's how he should play it.

00:06:37.000 He's won the nomination.

00:06:38.000 There's nothing he has to say to these people, to people like me who don't like him.

00:06:42.000 You know, all he has to do right now is just go out there and attack Hillary Clinton.

00:06:45.000 I've been saying this for weeks.

00:06:46.000 If all he does is go out there and attacks Hillary Clinton, and if he does just talk about the news cycle and gets his surrogates to do the same, puts a lot of pressure on folks like me to vote for him just to stop Hillary because, indeed, she is evil.

00:06:57.000 So, that's what he should be doing, right?

00:06:59.000 Not very difficult.

00:07:01.000 Unfortunately, Donald Trump is the most easily distracted candidate in the world.

00:07:05.000 I mean, he just turns around and every squirrel must be chased.

00:07:08.000 Every squirrel.

00:07:09.000 So he opens the RNC.

00:07:11.000 And he starts off, before the thing even starts, by ripping John Kasich, who's the governor of Ohio.

00:07:15.000 Now, as you know, I am no John Kasich fan.

00:07:18.000 Every single time John Kasich talked in any debate this year, all 97 debates this year, I would tweet in all capital letters, oh god no, please god not John Kasich.

00:07:27.000 I am not a fan of John Kasich's.

00:07:29.000 But, he is the governor of Ohio.

00:07:30.000 If you're gonna try and unify the party, you don't go out there and rip on the sitting governor of the state in which the convention is taking place, right?

00:07:37.000 It's happening in Cleveland.

00:07:38.000 That said, here is Donald Trump ripping John Kasich.

00:07:41.000 I wanted it to be here.

00:07:43.000 The Republicans wanted it to be here.

00:07:44.000 But honestly, even if this were for the Democrats, he should at least show up and say hello and say, how are you doing?

00:07:51.000 He got beaten very, very badly.

00:07:53.000 He could have, you know, left.

00:07:55.000 He should have left probably many weeks earlier than he did, but he just hung around. 0.97

00:08:00.000 Do you think he's being a sore loser? 0.95

00:08:02.000 Well, I don't want to say that, but you know what? 0.90

00:08:05.000 Uh, it was a very contentious primary.

00:08:07.000 He lost very, very badly, and maybe if I were in his position, I wouldn't show up either.

00:08:13.000 Yep, so there is a- okay, so he attacks- so he attacks Kasich.

00:08:17.000 Again, you know, I understand why he's doing it, I understand why he doesn't like Kasich, but it's not exactly smart politics.

00:08:23.000 His campaign manager, Paul Manafort, the guy who's supposed to get him under control, he also attacks Kasich.

00:08:27.000 Again, this is before the convention starts, basically.

00:08:31.000 Except for one or two, as you call them, Republicans not coming to town, the city's going to have most of the Republican leadership.

00:08:38.000 Where's John Kasich?

00:08:38.000 Is he coming and speaking?

00:08:40.000 Except for one or two.

00:08:44.000 He's the governor of the state.

00:08:46.000 Yeah, and you know what?

00:08:47.000 He's making a big mistake.

00:08:49.000 He's making a big mistake.

00:08:50.000 He's looking at something that's not going to happen.

00:08:52.000 He's hurting his state.

00:08:53.000 He's embarrassing his state, frankly.

00:08:56.000 But most of the Republicans who aren't coming are people who have been part of the past.

00:09:03.000 And the people who are part of the future of the Republican Party are, frankly, going to be here and participating in the program.

00:09:09.000 See, this sort of stuff is not useful.

00:09:11.000 Ivanka Trump tweeted, said something similar.

00:09:12.000 She said,

00:09:19.000 Right, so I mean, when you talk about the future of the Republican Party, I mean, first, why don't you start by registering for the party you're supposedly the face of.

00:09:25.000 This is not smart.

00:09:26.000 Put everything else aside.

00:09:27.000 Whether you like Trump, don't like Trump, put it aside.

00:09:30.000 The distractions are not smart for Donald Trump, are they?

00:09:32.000 Are they?

00:09:33.000 I mean, wouldn't it be better for Donald Trump to just get down to brass tacks?

00:09:36.000 And people who like Trump are begging him to do this.

00:09:38.000 They're begging him to do this.

00:09:40.000 I have fellow talk show hosts like Hugh Hewitt who keeps getting out there saying, you know, when's Trump going to pivot?

00:09:44.000 People want him to do it.

00:09:46.000 OK, so that's what starts the convention.

00:09:47.000 The next thing that happens is there's chaos on the convention floor.

00:09:50.000 So there are a bunch of people who say, OK, we want to unbind the delegates.

00:09:53.000 Remember that failed in committee last, in the last week, over the weekend, basically.

00:09:59.000 Now they go to the floor of the convention and people want a voice vote.

00:10:04.000 They want a roll call voice vote on whether Donald Trump should be elected to the nomination based on the delegates being bound to their primaries, basically.

00:10:15.000 And he's going to win this vote, by the way.

00:10:17.000 He's going to win this vote.

00:10:17.000 The delegates are going to vote to bind themselves because they don't want to be held accountable for throwing Trump overboard at the last minute.

00:10:24.000 So what happens?

00:10:25.000 Excuse me, they go out there and they want a roll call vote, and instead, the chair gets up, this guy gets up, and he starts banging his gavel and he says, we're gonna have a voice vote.

00:10:34.000 Now a voice vote just means whoever shouts the loudest, right?

00:10:37.000 We're just gonna take like a consensus in the room.

00:10:39.000 Here's what the voice vote looked like.

00:10:41.000 Without objection, the previous question is ordered.

00:10:44.000 The question is on adoption of the resolution.

00:10:48.000 All those in favor say aye.

00:10:51.000 All those opposed, no.

00:10:54.000 In the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it, and the resolution is agreed to.

00:11:00.000 Without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table.

00:11:07.000 People lose their minds, right?

00:11:08.000 Because in that voice vote, you can't hear anything, right?

00:11:10.000 They actually shut off their minds and told by people on the floor.

00:11:12.000 The chair now recognizes the delegate from the state of West Virginia for the purpose of offering a resolution.

00:11:21.000 Okay, and then they just move right on, and the guy walks away from the podium.

00:11:24.000 So it turns into a ruckus, right?

00:11:26.000 Because all the people who wanted the roll call vote, they were going to lose anyway, right?

00:11:29.000 They were going to lose the roll call vote.

00:11:30.000 But the idea was, let's at least get the delegates on record supporting Donald Trump.

00:11:34.000 What happened here is that the convention knew it's so embarrassing for some of these people to support Donald Trump out loud, they wanted to prevent the roll call vote, so they just had the voice vote, and then they said the voice vote was good enough, even though it wasn't.

00:11:46.000 I was at the DNC, the Democratic National Convention in 2012.

00:11:49.000 They did the same thing when they tried to take Jerusalem out of the Democratic platform.

00:11:54.000 It wasn't in the Democratic platform.

00:11:56.000 Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

00:11:57.000 And there was a voice vote.

00:11:58.000 And Jerusalem lost.

00:11:59.000 And Antonio Villaraigosa stood up there and he said, no, it passed.

00:12:02.000 You know, Jerusalem is back in. 0.99

00:12:04.000 It was sort of like that, and it's just, it's not smart.

00:12:07.000 It's not smart.

00:12:08.000 So Ken Cuccinelli, who ran for, I think he was governor of Virginia, very narrowly lost to Terry McAuliffe, he was one of the delegates, and he just, he literally takes his credentials and he throws them on the ground.

00:12:20.000 Well, they quashed the Louis Philippe.

00:12:22.000 Ken Cuccinelli is the next one.

00:12:37.000 We're good.

00:12:52.000 Or they should have allowed another voice vote.

00:12:54.000 So there's a roll call vote.

00:12:55.000 Who cares?

00:12:55.000 No one's going to remember any of that.

00:12:56.000 And Trump gets the nomination overwhelmingly, and he can say, we won, we're done.

00:13:01.000 Right?

00:13:01.000 That's all.

00:13:01.000 This is not difficult stuff.

00:13:03.000 But it's more important that they ram through this thing without anybody objecting, because they don't want to make Trump look bad.

00:13:09.000 They don't want people embarrassed by having to vote in favor of these rules on the floor of the convention.

00:13:14.000 OK, so that's not even before we get to the night, right?

00:13:17.000 Then we get to the night, and Donald Trump

00:13:20.000 Okay, this entrance is spectacular.

00:13:24.000 I mean, I have to say, it's classic Trump.

00:13:27.000 He promised glitz and glamour.

00:13:29.000 You have to laugh.

00:13:29.000 I mean, if you don't laugh during this convention cycle, you're going to cry.

00:13:32.000 So here is Donald Trump opening.

00:13:34.000 He introduced his wife, Melania, which we'll get to in a second.

00:13:37.000 And here was Donald Trump entering the convention.

00:14:14.000 Okay, so there's the entrance, right?

00:14:16.000 The full-on WWE entrance, just for a little bit of context.

00:14:21.000 Here is what it looks like when Darth Vader enters a room.

00:14:25.000 And also, here's what it looks like when The Undertaker enters a room at WWE, because this is pretty much it.

00:14:31.000 It is the mystique that is simply The Undertaker.

00:14:49.000 Oh my god, is that The Undertaker's music?

00:14:52.000 Is that Donald Trump's music?

00:14:53.000 Oh my god!

00:14:55.000 It's pretty spectacular.

00:14:59.000 So, he starts that.

00:15:00.000 Okay, fine, you know, that's Trump's shtick.

00:15:03.000 I get it, it's cheesy.

00:15:04.000 The thing about Trump's taste is that, yeah, it's big, but it's also the cheesiest taste in the world.

00:15:08.000 I mean, like, everything he does is super cheesy, but again, none of that is a big deal.

00:15:11.000 Here's the thing, none of these things are a particularly huge deal.

00:15:14.000 Just in aggregate, they start to become distractions, right?

00:15:17.000 They become a little bit distracting in aggregate.

00:15:20.000 So, you know, Donald Trump... So then Melania gets up. 0.58

00:15:23.000 And this has been the headline of the thing.

00:15:25.000 The headline of the thing has been that Melania spoke.

00:15:28.000 And Melania, who, again, it's weird to have your third wife speak for you at a convention after she marries you when she's 28 and you're 52, and there's all sorts of weird issues where she's a trophy wife, and she's going on Howard Stern talking about having sex with you while you're still married to somebody else. 1.00

00:15:41.000 Like, it's weird, okay?

00:15:41.000 Just a little weird.

00:15:42.000 Call me crazy, it's a little weird.

00:15:44.000 But she speaks at the convention, and she gives what is a pretty good speech, right?

00:15:48.000 She actually goes out there, and she gives a speech that is very well-received, that seems decent, and then it comes out...

00:15:55.000 Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values.

00:16:11.000 From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values.

00:16:16.000 You work hard for what you want in life.

00:16:19.000 That you work hard for what you want in life.

00:16:23.000 That your word is your bond, that you do what you say you're gonna do.

00:16:27.000 That your word is your bond, and you do what you say and keep your promise.

00:16:32.000 That you treat people

00:16:35.000 With dignity and respect, even if you don't know them and even if you don't agree with them.

00:16:42.000 That you treat people with respect.

00:16:45.000 Barack and I set out to build lives guided by these values and to pass them on to the next generation.

00:16:53.000 And we need to pass those lessons on to the many generations to follow.

00:16:59.000 Because we want our children and all children in this nation

00:17:05.000 Because we want our children in this nation to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work hard for them.

00:17:16.000 That the only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.

00:17:24.000 Okay, we can stop it there.

00:17:25.000 I mean, obviously this is, look, it's plagiarism.

00:17:27.000 It's not her fault.

00:17:28.000 She's got speech writers. 1.00

00:17:29.000 She clearly didn't write this.

00:17:30.000 I mean, you think she's browsing old Michelle Obama speeches?

00:17:32.000 Come on, she's out there spending $2,500 on this dress. 1.00

00:17:35.000 I mean, that's not happening.

00:17:36.000 She's, no.

00:17:37.000 So, but the media have made a huge deal out of this.

00:17:39.000 They made a huge, is it a big deal?

00:17:41.000 No, it really isn't a big deal.

00:17:43.000 Okay, Obama plagiarized Deval Patrick.

00:17:45.000 Joe Biden plagiarized Neil Kinnock, and he's now the vice president of the United States.

00:17:48.000 Do I care that Melania's speech writer copied Michelle's speech writer? 0.76

00:17:53.000 Not really.

00:17:54.000 This doesn't make much of a difference to me at all.

00:17:56.000 There are a couple of things about it, however, that are mildly important.

00:17:59.000 That are mildly important.

00:18:00.000 The first is what I've been saying, which is that when you commit this number of unforced errors, at a certain point it's a distraction from the news cycle.

00:18:08.000 If this were a focused campaign, Donald—forget about replacing Trump.

00:18:11.000 Even with Trump, if this were a focused campaign, Trump would be up five to ten points right now because Hillary is so unpalatable. 1.00

00:18:18.000 If you told me that at this point in the race, Hillary would be running at 40%, I'd say, well, then the Republican has to be up, right? 0.93

00:18:23.000 I mean, there are only so many people in the United States.

00:18:25.000 There are only so many percentage points that you can hand out.

00:18:29.000 But he's not.

00:18:30.000 He's not up.

00:18:31.000 And he should be up.

00:18:31.000 I mean, this is convention time.

00:18:33.000 But part of the problem is, in the last week, Donald Trump—this is the last week.

00:18:36.000 Five days.

00:18:37.000 Actually, it's not even a full week.

00:18:38.000 The last five days alone.

00:18:40.000 Donald Trump has sued a campaign staffer for $10 million, leaked his vice presidential pick, and attempted to walk it back, then tweeted it out, created a bizarre Trump-Pence logo that looked like the letters were engaging in sexual congress, had to walk back, a prospective convention speaker, including Tim Tebow, attacked Kasich, as you saw, unleashed his minions to shut down a roll call vote, booked Scott Baio and Antonio Sabato Jr.

00:19:00.000 to speak, and by the way, after Sabato spoke, he then went on ABC News and called Obama a Muslim, called in live to Fox News, we'll get to this in a second,

00:19:08.000 During Pat Smith's speech.

00:19:09.000 So Pat Smith was giving this beautiful speech about her son, and Trump calls in to Fox News and kicks her off the air because he's calling in to Fox News.

00:19:17.000 He trumps his own convention.

00:19:18.000 He entered the stage, obviously, like a character from WWE or Beyonce, sends his wife on stage with a speech plagiarized from Michelle, and deployed his campaign team to cover for the plagiarism.

00:19:27.000 In other words, if you are rooting for Trump, if you are rooting for Trump, you have to root for him to do better than this.

00:19:34.000 Right?

00:19:34.000 You have to root for him to do better.

00:19:35.000 I don't think that's too much to ask, that he does better than this. 1.00

00:19:37.000 And you have to root for his campaign to stop being idiotic. 0.99

00:19:40.000 So, Chris Christie responds to the Melania plagiarism charges. 1.00

00:19:44.000 And Chris Christie's the saddest man in Cleveland.

00:19:46.000 I mean, Chris Christie legitimately just sits there on like a small folding chair, straining the... He's the second saddest object in the arena after the folding chair upon which he sits.

00:19:55.000 And Chris Christie, he just brushes this off, right?

00:19:58.000 Not a big deal at all.

00:20:00.000 Could you make a case for plagiarism?

00:20:01.000 No, not when 93% of the speech is completely different than Michelle Obama's speech.

00:20:06.000 And they express some common thoughts, and so, you know, listen.

00:20:09.000 Almost word for word, though.

00:20:10.000 But the worst, listen, Matt, the worst day of a convention is the first day, because everyone's building up to it, and everybody gets breathless, both the delegates and the media, about something to cover and a controversy to talk about.

00:20:22.000 I think after tonight, we won't be talking about this.

00:20:24.000 We'll move on to whatever comes up tonight.

00:20:27.000 Yeah, and whatever comes up tonight will be in it.

00:20:29.000 That's always the exciting question.

00:20:30.000 What will happen tonight?

00:20:32.000 So Chris Christie brushes it off, obviously.

00:20:34.000 And then he goes and shines Donald Trump's shoes.

00:20:36.000 Paul Manafort, who's Trump's campaign manager, is also spinning it.

00:20:40.000 And he defends Melania by attacking Hillary Clinton.

00:20:42.000 Listen, I'm all for attacking Hillary Clinton, but she didn't write the speech.

00:20:46.000 Who's at fault for cribbing Michelle Obama's speech in 2008?

00:20:50.000 Whose fault is that?

00:20:52.000 Well, there's no cribbing of Michelle Obama's speech.

00:20:54.000 These were common words and values, that she cares about her family, things like that.

00:21:00.000 I mean, she was speaking in front of 35 million people last night.

00:21:03.000 She knew that.

00:21:04.000 To think that she would be cribbing Michelle Obama's words is crazy.

00:21:08.000 I mean, this is once again an example of when a woman threatens Hillary Clinton, how she seeks out to demean her and take her down. 0.99

00:21:19.000 It's not going to work.

00:21:21.000 All I'm saying is, the language is...

00:21:38.000 He's throwing at her that she's attacking Melania unfairly because of plagiarism. 1.00

00:21:41.000 Like, this is so stupid. 1.00

00:21:42.000 It's such a distraction. 1.00

00:21:43.000 It's such a waste of time.

00:21:45.000 You do have to love the schadenfreude of Corey Lewandowski sitting there on CNN and ripping into Paul Manafort, though.

00:21:51.000 Corey Lewandowski's the old campaign manager.

00:21:53.000 Paul Manafort's the new campaign manager.

00:21:55.000 And Corey Lewandowski's on CNN saying Manafort should be fired for the plagiarism in Melania's speech.

00:22:00.000 It's really kind of amusing.

00:22:02.000 I think Mrs. Trump's a very smart, articulate woman.

00:22:05.000 Her thoughts are her own thoughts, and I think if it was a mistake, it was at the staff level, and staff should be held accountable.

00:22:14.000 Coming from Corey Lewandowski, the man who wasn't fired for months after grabbing a reporter by the arm and yanking her backwards, and then was finally fired quietly but is still being paid by the Trump campaign.

00:22:23.000 In other words, all of this is bizarre.

00:22:25.000 But just for a final laugh, and this isn't at Melania's expense, she didn't write this speech, but this is going around the internet and it is funny, and that is Melania accidentally Rickrolled the audience.

00:22:34.000 And I've pointed out, by the way, that Trump has done this before, that Trump uses this line a lot, and so it's not Melania's fault, obviously.

00:22:40.000 You sort of feel bad for her, but here's Melania Trump rickrolling the audience. 1.00

00:22:45.000 He will never ever give up.

00:22:48.000 And most importantly, he will never ever let you down.

00:23:03.000 Okay, so here's my big problem with all of this, okay?

00:23:05.000 There was real stuff going on on the stage yesterday.

00:23:07.000 Real things happening on the stage yesterday.

00:23:10.000 Rudy Giuliani spoke yesterday, and Rudy Giuliani gave a barn burner of a speech about the cops.

00:23:15.000 Like, a really good speech about the cops.

00:23:17.000 A good case to be made that Rudy Giuliani should have been the VP pick for Donald Trump here, since they're two peas in a pod.

00:23:22.000 They're both kind of brash New Yorkers, and this is their shtick, this is their routine.

00:23:25.000 So, here's Rudy Giuliani, and this got completely overlooked by the media.

00:23:28.000 Right, it's gone now.

00:23:29.000 All we're talking about is Melania Trump and plagiarism and Donald Trump's WWE entrance.

00:23:34.000 Giuliani, you know, watch Giuliani and tell me this should not have been the theme of the night.

00:23:40.000 And we say thank you to the Cleveland Police Department for protecting us!

00:23:45.000 Thank you!

00:23:52.000 We, we know

00:23:57.000 We know the risk you're taking, and we say thank you to every police officer and law enforcement agent who's out tonight protecting us, black, white, Latino, of every race, every color, every creed, every sexual orientation.

00:24:19.000 When they come to save your life, they don't ask if you are black or white, they just come to save you!

00:24:32.000 We also, we also reach out, we reach out our arms with understanding and compassion to those who have lost loved ones.

00:24:47.000 Because of police shootings, some justified, some unjustified.

00:24:55.000 Those that are unjustified must be punished.

00:24:59.000 Those that are justified, we must apologize to.

00:25:04.000 This is Giuliani.

00:25:05.000 Okay, this is great stuff.

00:25:07.000 How is this not the headline?

00:25:08.000 You can stop it.

00:25:11.000 This is what should've been the headline last night, right?

00:25:13.000 Come on.

00:25:14.000 This should've been the headline.

00:25:15.000 We've got police shootings happening, anti-cop massacres taking place in this country, and the headline is Melania Trump's plagiarism?

00:25:22.000 Okay, now I understand that the media are corrupt.

00:25:24.000 I understand the media are looking for an excuse not to talk about the issues.

00:25:27.000 But that's not gonna change.

00:25:28.000 Don't give them the excuse.

00:25:30.000 This is why discipline in politics is important, folks.

00:25:32.000 We can complain about the media all day long.

00:25:34.000 I do it myself.

00:25:35.000 But at a certain point, you have to say to yourself, at a certain point, you have to say to yourself, be disciplined.

00:25:41.000 Stick to message.

00:25:42.000 And there was so much good stuff at the convention last night.

00:25:44.000 Real good stuff at the convention.

00:25:46.000 Sheriff David Clark spoke last night.

00:25:47.000 He did the same thing.

00:25:48.000 Great speech.

00:25:48.000 Here's Sheriff David Clark from Milwaukee.

00:25:51.000 Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to make something very clear.

00:25:57.000 Blue lives matter in America!

00:26:17.000 This should have been the focus, right?

00:26:19.000 Right?

00:26:20.000 I mean, come on.

00:26:21.000 You got this powerful black man, by the way, who's a sheriff in Milwaukee. 0.59

00:26:25.000 A place where a cop just got shot, apparently. 0.69

00:26:27.000 Right?

00:26:28.000 And he's speaking the truth about the cops.

00:26:29.000 Is that the headline this morning from the media?

00:26:31.000 Of course that's not the headline.

00:26:32.000 The headline is, Melania Trump said the same thing that Michelle Obama said in a speech that nobody cares about because who cares? 0.54

00:26:37.000 Honestly, who cares what the wives of candidates have to say or the husbands? 0.92

00:26:40.000 It's silly. 0.98

00:26:40.000 It's just silly. 0.98

00:26:42.000 This is why, you know, when we say that Donald Trump needs to get his poop together, he really needs to get it together. 0.98

00:26:48.000 I mean, this is not a game anymore. 0.99

00:26:50.000 If you want to win, you know, I'm not even a Trump backer, but if you want to win, if you think it matters that Donald Trump beats Hillary Clinton, you should be rooting for Donald Trump to stop making these kinds of mistakes, because it's just foolish. 0.99

00:27:01.000 It's just foolish. 0.99

00:27:03.000 Again, it's all distraction. 0.99

00:27:05.000 One more example.

00:27:06.000 Pat Smith, right?

00:27:07.000 She rips into Hillary last night. 1.00

00:27:08.000 Here's what Pat Smith had to say.

00:27:09.000 This is, again, great stuff.

00:27:10.000 Should have been the headline.

00:27:11.000 We lost four brave Americans who made the ultimate sacrifice for the country they chose to serve, and the American people lost the truth.

00:27:23.000 For all of this loss, for all of this grief, for all of the cynicism the tragedy in Benghazi has brought upon America, I blame Hillary Clinton!

00:27:50.000 I blame Hillary Clinton personally for the death of my son. 1.00

00:27:54.000 That's personally.

00:27:57.000 Now, Democrats were complaining about this, and we'll get to the complaints in a little while, but this is very effective stuff.

00:28:02.000 This should have been in primetime.

00:28:03.000 This should have been the stuff everybody's watching, right?

00:28:05.000 This is the stuff that resonates with people.

00:28:07.000 A mother standing there saying her son is dead because Hillary Clinton didn't do her job, and then she was lied to.

00:28:12.000 The mother was lied to, right?

00:28:14.000 Shouldn't this be the headline?

00:28:15.000 Here's what was being shown on Fox at the same time.

00:28:18.000 At the same time Pat Smith was doing this.

00:28:19.000 Here's what was being shown on Fox.

00:28:21.000 This is clip 19.

00:28:25.000 And she's been a great wife, and I'm going to give her an introduction, and she'll go up, and I think she's going to do really well.

00:28:32.000 All right.

00:28:32.000 Look, we know how busy you are tonight, and we can't thank you enough for taking the time to talk to millions of people watching you right now.

00:28:38.000 And we're going to take a quick break, and then we'll come back to the convention floor as the Factor continues recovering the Republican convention in Cleveland, Ohio.

00:28:46.000 In other words, he calls into O'Reilly Factor at the same time Pat Smith is speaking, taking viewers away from one to the other.

00:28:51.000 So, all of this is just not smart.

00:28:54.000 Okay, so, joining us on the program right now is Heather McDonald.

00:28:58.000 Heather is from Manhattan Institute.

00:29:00.000 She also writes for City Journal, and she's the author of a fantastic new book called The War on Cops, the most important book of the year.

00:29:06.000 I said this months ago when I first saw it come into my mailbox, long before it was released, so I was ahead of the curve on this one.

00:29:10.000 Heather, thanks so much for joining us.

00:29:12.000 Thank you so much, Ben.

00:29:13.000 I appreciate the kind words.

00:29:15.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:29:15.000 So, I want to start off by asking you, did you see any of Hillary Clinton's speech at the NAACP yesterday, or read any of her speech at the NAACP yesterday?

00:29:26.000 Yeah, to my unhappiness, I did read it and it's absolutely appalling and it's a dangerous portent for the country.

00:29:31.000 You know, when you say it's dangerous, how much of the current anti-cop violence do you attribute to rhetoric of people like President Obama and Hillary Clinton and Black Lives Matter?

00:29:40.000 And how much do you just feel that sort of anti-cop sentiment has grown?

00:29:44.000 There's this debate going on now between the level of violence and the level of rhetoric.

00:29:48.000 Do you correlate them?

00:29:51.000 Absolutely, there's no difference whatsoever.

00:29:53.000 The two things you mentioned are both the same thing.

00:29:59.000 The assassinations in Dallas and Baton Rouge are just more extreme examples of what cops are experiencing in inner city areas across the country on a daily basis.

00:30:09.000 A Chicago officer told me about six weeks ago when I was out in Chicago to look at the amazing

00:30:16.000 We're good.

00:30:32.000 And when you have people being told relentlessly by President Obama, by Hillary Clinton, by the media, by the activists that racist cops are on a homicidal vendetta against blacks, we should not be surprised when people take up arms against what is alleged to be

00:30:54.000 They're KKK oppressors.

00:30:56.000 Heather, I want to talk a little bit about sort of the facts of policing, and then I want to talk about the rhetoric, because it seems like some of the Democratic rhetoric, some of the left rhetoric, is now seeping into the right. 0.69

00:31:05.000 You have people like Marco Rubio and Newt Gingrich suggesting that white people just can't understand the black experience with regard to cops.

00:31:12.000 You have, you know, Donald Trump even said something similar on the air last week.

00:31:16.000 Let's talk a little bit about the facts, and then we'll get to why this seems to be becoming such a popular issue and why it's politically palatable.

00:31:23.000 So there's a study that came out last week, you and I have been corresponding on this, this new study from this professor at Harvard University who finds that the police shootings are actually biased against whites, that whites are 20% more likely to be shot than blacks, but he also makes the case that low-level uses of force are more likely to happen to black people, and then he suggests this is why blacks hate the cops, is because of low-level uses of force being used against innocent black people.

00:31:47.000 What do you make of that claim?

00:31:49.000 Well, first of all, let's note that he's changing the subject, and so is all the media.

00:31:53.000 They have quickly suppressed his finding that blacks are actually 24% less likely to be shot by the police than whites, and are moving on to the second part of his study, which is that allegedly low-level uses of force are higher against blacks.

00:32:09.000 What he completely, I think, does not take into account enough is levels of resistance.

00:32:15.000 He bases his findings on

00:32:17.000 Stop question and frisk forms that police in New York City fill out when they make a pedestrian stop.

00:32:24.000 There is no way that those forms can account in sufficient detail to be able to make judgments about the level of resistance that blacks and whites offer. 0.99

00:32:35.000 And again, when blacks are getting the message every day that they are oppressed by racist cops,

00:32:44.000 It's not surprising that they are resisting arrest more, and that's certainly what I'm hearing from officers across the country who say, you know, I used to be able to put handcuffs on somebody without being fought or surrounded by hostile, jeering crowds.

00:33:00.000 Now everybody wants to fight them.

00:33:03.000 Okay, so one of the things that the Republicans have done is the new Republican platform includes a nod to so-called criminal justice reform.

00:33:09.000 This is what I was mentioning before, this kind of crossing of the aisle with regard to the idea that the criminal justice system is biased or racist or incredibly oppressive.

00:33:18.000 What do you make of the call for criminal justice reform?

00:33:20.000 I understand what the left is doing.

00:33:21.000 The left is race-baiting for political gain.

00:33:23.000 But why is the right starting to embrace the notion of criminal justice reform as though there's some sort of mass incarceration of innocents that's going on all over the country?

00:33:32.000 Well, first, Ben, if I can just rebut the premise on which it's based before we get to the deep motives behind it.

00:33:39.000 It is simply not the case that the over-representation of blacks in prison is due to criminal justice racism.

00:33:45.000 And let's also be clear that the whole push for criminal justice so-called reform

00:33:50.000 is due to one fact only, the over-representation of blacks in prison.

00:33:54.000 If that were not the case, nobody would be caring at all.

00:33:58.000 So this is all about race.

00:34:00.000 And criminologists have spent decades trying to prove that that over-representation of blacks in prison is due to bias on the part of officers, prosecutors, or judges, and they always come up short.

00:34:13.000 The most liberal of criminologists, we can even say left-wing, have been forced to conclude that the

00:34:20.000 Presence of blacks is due, unfortunately, to their very high rates of violent crime. 1.00

00:34:26.000 Blacks, for instance, commit homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined. 1.00

00:34:32.000 And if you take Hispanics out of that equation, you get a homicide differential of about 11 to 12 times. 0.98

00:34:39.000 The arrests match the description of

00:34:44.000 Criminal offenders and felons given by victims. 0.96

00:34:48.000 So it's not as if police are somehow ignoring all those white drive-by shootings in favor of blacks.

00:34:56.000 They are going where the victims and witnesses to crime are telling them crime is happening.

00:35:01.000 And again, making arrests congruent with who is being victimized and who the perpetrators are.

00:35:08.000 As to why this is happening, I just think that the narrative is taken

00:35:13.000 on such power and Republicans simply don't have the guts to stand up and have this difficult conversation.

00:35:22.000 We've been talking about phantom police racism for the last 20 years, Ben, in order not to talk about a far more difficult and uncomfortable truth, which is black crime. 0.99

00:35:32.000 And Republicans are no more willing to go there, it turns out, than Democrats.

00:35:37.000 So moving forward, do you see any hope for this situation at all?

00:35:40.000 Because the way it looks to me is it looks like if I'm number one, I think it's gonna be very difficult to recruit any cops at all in this environment.

00:35:46.000 Second of all, if you're a cop, why not just pull out of the cities of the areas that are most high crime and basically you end up

00:35:53.000 We're good to go.

00:36:17.000 Well, Ben, you're absolutely right.

00:36:18.000 We are seeing a slow motion Rodney King riot situation every day in inner cities, what I've called the Ferguson effect, which is the twin phenomenon of officers backing off of proactive policing in inner city areas and the resulting rise in crime.

00:36:33.000 Already last year, in the 56 largest cities, we saw a 17% homicide increase, 17.

00:36:40.000 That's nearly unprecedented.

00:36:41.000 But if you look at cities with large black populations,

00:36:44.000 You get an increase anywhere from 54% increase in homicides in Washington D.C.

00:36:50.000 to 90% in Cleveland.

00:36:52.000 This is only going to get worse.

00:36:54.000 The assassinations are going to make it worse, but the rhetoric is what's really driving this.

00:36:59.000 And as you say, recruiting has basically come to a dead halt.

00:37:03.000 Why would anybody want to be a police officer today when the first day you step into the job, it's assumed that you're a racist, and you're surrounded by people interfering with your lawful authority?

00:37:15.000 Well, the book is called The War on Cops, and you definitely should go buy it.

00:37:17.000 It's a national bestseller, obviously.

00:37:19.000 It's soaring up the charts.

00:37:20.000 I think it's number two on the New York Times list this week, or it's very high on the New York Times list, and it should be.

00:37:26.000 It's a very important book.

00:37:27.000 Heather McDonald from Manhattan Institute, thanks so much for joining the program.

00:37:29.000 Really appreciate it.

00:37:31.000 I appreciate it so much, Ben.

00:37:32.000 Thank you.

00:37:32.000 Absolutely.

00:37:33.000 Okay, so with that said, and with that background, Hillary Clinton spoke at the NAACP yesterday.

00:37:39.000 And the reason I saved this for the end of the show is, number one, because I wanted to interview Heather first, but second of all, because the fact is that Heather McDonald's points are completely ignored.

00:37:49.000 Completely ignored.

00:37:50.000 So as the President has said, indeed as he exemplifies, we've come a long way, but you know

00:38:19.000 And I know that we have so much further to go.

00:38:27.000 We were cruelly reminded of that with the recent deaths of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile, two more black men killed in police incidents this time in Louisiana and Minnesota, 0.71

00:38:43.000 Okay, the fact that she's lumping together, again, Alton Sterling and Philando Castile is disgusting.

00:38:48.000 She's lumping them together with the cop shootings. 0.90

00:38:50.000 It's just insane.

00:38:51.000 Suggesting there's racism there.

00:38:52.000 She has no evidence of racism in either of those cases.

00:38:54.000 In one case, the shooter was Hispanic in Minnesota.

00:38:57.000 In the other case, it looks like, by all available evidence, the guy probably grabbed for his gun.

00:39:01.000 And the reason I say that is because the officers are warning him not to grab for his gun.

00:39:04.000 And then he does something and they shoot him.

00:39:07.000 You know, without any other evidence, you would have to basically rely on the cop's word, and he did have an illegal gun in his pocket.

00:39:12.000 It doesn't matter to Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:39:13.000 The narrative is all that matters.

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00:39:39.000 Alright.

00:39:45.000 New.

00:39:45.000 Okay.

00:39:47.000 So, Hillary Clinton speaks at the NAACP and first she starts off by once again mirroring this idiocy that Philando Castile and Alton Sterling are basically the same as these cops being killed. 0.97

00:39:59.000 And she reiterates that. 0.97

00:40:01.000 Here's Hillary Clinton doing more of that routine. 1.00

00:40:05.000 This madness has to stop.

00:40:16.000 Watching the news from Baton Rouge yesterday, my heart broke.

00:40:23.000 Not just for those officers and their grieving families, but for all of us.

00:40:33.000 Okay, so for all of us, it's breaking for all of us, not just for the officers.

00:40:36.000 And then she goes on and talks about Philando Castile and Alton Sterling again because this is the routine that she does, right?

00:40:42.000 And she trots out all of this stuff to claim that the police are racist. 0.88

00:40:46.000 So what is she going to do about it?

00:40:47.000 What is she going to do about it?

00:40:48.000 Well, she's going to restrict guns. 1.00

00:40:50.000 She's going to yell at the police. 0.94

00:40:52.000 No time in this speech does she talk about single motherhood and how it destroys inner-city communities because there are no fathers to keep kids in line. 0.92

00:40:59.000 And no point does she discuss the gang culture that has destroyed inner-city communities all over the United States.

00:41:04.000 And no point does she discuss the nasty feelings that so many black Americans have about the cops that are not driven by Jim Crow, because we're talking about kids who are younger than I am by 10 years, right?

00:41:13.000 When you're talking about the high crime population, you're talking about generally young males of all races between the ages of 17 and 25.

00:41:21.000 In the black community, those people are not coming from Jim Crow America.

00:41:23.000 They're younger than I am, right?

00:41:25.000 They're born in the 90s, many of them.

00:41:26.000 And so here she is doing the same routine.

00:41:28.000 And it's just, it's devastating.

00:41:30.000 It really is devastating.

00:41:31.000 None of it is helpful.

00:41:32.000 All it really is, is just more of the same because she feels like she can win black votes if she continues to push this forward.

00:41:39.000 The deaths of Alton and Philando drove home how urgently we need to make reforms to policing and criminal justice.

00:41:54.000 First of all, she doesn't know Alton and Philando, right?

00:41:58.000 I mean, come on, she's so mechanical that she can't even pronounce their names. 1.00

00:42:02.000 And then she says it drives the need for criminal justice reform again.

00:42:04.000 Not one shred of evidence, not one, that those two guys were shot for racial reasons.

00:42:08.000 Not one.

00:42:09.000 But that wasn't the end of it.

00:42:10.000 I mean, she would go on to talk about pushing more government spending and backing bad loans.

00:42:14.000 I think this is clip 9 or clip 21 for us.

00:42:18.000 This is where she talked about how the real solution here is that we need to give cheaper loans subsidized by the government to black folks. 1.00

00:42:25.000 That's why my plan includes steps to help more African-American families buy a home, which has always been one of the surest ways to build wealth and security for a family.

00:42:39.000 Okay, so she wants to go back to the era of subsidized home loans. 1.00

00:42:43.000 I seem to remember that ended in a massive economic collapse, when it turned out that if you give subsidized home loans to people who can't afford them, and then they go bankrupt, then the money's just gone.

00:42:52.000 Right, but she's preaching this out there as though there's some systemic racism that's going to be cured by bad loans, and then she gets to the truly galling part.

00:42:59.000 The truly galling part comes at the end of the speech, so...

00:43:01.000 She starts lecturing white Americans on what we can do better.

00:43:05.000 Which is just... She's standing in front of a black audience lecturing white people, which is just... That is the definition of pandering. 0.99

00:43:11.000 Here's Hillary doing it. 1.00

00:43:12.000 I'm tired.

00:43:14.000 Physically and emotionally, he wrote.

00:43:18.000 In uniform, I get nasty, hateful looks.

00:43:22.000 And out of uniform, they consider me a threat.

00:43:30.000 He went on.

00:43:32.000 These are trying times.

00:43:36.000 Please don't let hate infect your heart.

00:43:42.000 I'm working in these streets, so any protesters, officers, friends, family, or whoever, if you see me, Montrell said, and need a hug or want to say a prayer, I got you.

00:44:05.000 Let me pause it again.

00:44:06.000 What she's actually talking about there, she did another section where she talked about white privilege, which we'll play in one second because it's truly galling, but this is even more galling.

00:44:12.000 This is the height of galling.

00:44:13.000 This is where she's talking about Montrell Jackson, who's one of the cops who was just murdered in Baton Rouge, inciting Montrell Jackson to talk about how he would support her agenda.

00:44:22.000 Montrell Jackson was a cop who was posting about why people have bad perceptions of the police and should stop it.

00:44:28.000 And there she is, using his memory as a prop to club cops, 1.00

00:44:33.000 Just vile.

00:44:34.000 Vile stuff. 0.99

00:44:35.000 And then just to complete how vile she is, she went off on white privilege. 1.00

00:44:38.000 This would be clip 21.

00:44:41.000 We white Americans need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about the seen and unseen barriers you face every day.

00:44:56.000 We need to recognize our privilege and practice humility.

00:45:02.000 Rather than assume that our experiences are everyone's experiences.

00:45:09.000 We all need to try as best we can to walk in one another's shoes.

00:45:16.000 To imagine what it would be like to sit our son or daughter down and have the talk.

00:45:23.000 About how carefully they need to act around police because the slightest wrong move could get them hurt or even killed.

00:45:33.000 Can we stop it there? 1.00

00:45:33.000 So, number one, as I've said about white privilege, white privilege is crap. 1.00

00:45:38.000 The fact is, privilege is what exists in law. 0.99

00:45:41.000 We're all born with certain privileges, of course, as I've said before.

00:45:43.000 Some of us are born poor, some are born rich.

00:45:45.000 Some of us are born in certain circumstances that are less beneficial than other circumstances.

00:45:48.000 I was born into a solid two-parent family.

00:45:51.000 I would like everyone to have a solid two-parent family.

00:45:53.000 Heterosexual family, preferably, because people need a father and a mother. 1.00

00:45:59.000 But we're all born in different circumstances. 0.99

00:46:00.000 To suggest there's a systemic white privilege that means that cops shoot black people for no reason is not statistically true, but she pushes that out there and then suggests that it's true, and it really is just disgusting. 0.64

00:46:12.000 And she earns points from the left for apologizing, basically, on behalf of white people, but she doesn't get to apologize on behalf of anybody but herself. 0.90

00:46:20.000 You don't get to do that in this life.

00:46:21.000 You don't get to apologize for anything except for the things you actually did.

00:46:25.000 And last I checked, I didn't shoot a black guy, I didn't mistreat a black guy, I didn't do anything wrong to a black person, so I'm not going to apologize for doing things that I didn't do. 0.98

00:46:32.000 And in fact, I'll call out white people who do things that are bad to black people, and I'll call out black people who do things that are bad to white people. 0.95

00:46:38.000 It turns out decency is the standard. 0.99

00:46:40.000 Not color.

00:46:41.000 Decency.

00:46:42.000 Okay.

00:46:42.000 With all that said, time for a thing I like and then a couple quick things I don't.

00:46:45.000 So, we've been doing the worst movie villains of all time, the scariest movie villains of all time.

00:46:50.000 This is a movie that not a lot of people remember or saw.

00:46:52.000 It's called Rob Roy with Liam Neeson.

00:46:54.000 The character that's the most memorable, though, is Tim Roth. 0.86

00:46:57.000 Tim Roth plays this kind of effeminate, horrifying dandy who happens to be an absolute sociopath.

00:47:04.000 And this is a scene where Jessica Lange is married to Liam Neeson in this film. 0.93

00:47:10.000 And this kind of dandy shows up at her house, and they're burning the village because Rob Roy has started a rebellion against the local governor.

00:47:18.000 And here's just a piece of that scene.

00:47:20.000 Outlaw Robert McGregor.

00:47:23.000 You think he'd be lying in his bed waiting for you? 1.00

00:47:25.000 You're more of a fool than you look. 1.00

00:47:33.000 Search the outsheds. 1.00

00:47:37.000 Burn them. 1.00

00:47:38.000 Kill the stock. 1.00

00:47:39.000 You'd better ask them what we make of it. 1.00

00:47:54.000 It's brutal.

00:47:55.000 In the whole movie he's just super effeminate and there's a sword fight.

00:47:58.000 This has one of the best sword fights in all of the movies.

00:48:01.000 The concluding sword fight is just fantastic because it's Tim Roth fighting with basically a rapier and Liam Neeson fighting with a broadsword.

00:48:09.000 It's a very good movie.

00:48:10.000 It's very gritty but it's a very good movie.

00:48:13.000 Alright, time for some things that I hate.

00:48:14.000 So the media are terrible, as we already know. 0.86

00:48:17.000 After Pat Smith gave this speech about how Hillary Clinton lied to her and didn't do anything to defend her son in Benghazi, the media lost its poop. 0.98

00:48:25.000 I mean, they went crazy.

00:48:26.000 So Chris Matthews, over on MSNBC, he decided that it was time to scold the mother of the Benghazi victim.

00:48:33.000 Here he was doing that.

00:48:35.000 I have to say I'm overwhelmed because I thought that Marcus Luttrell's remarks were fabulous and it's from a real warrior.

00:48:42.000 I saw the movie.

00:48:43.000 It's an amazing story about a guy who survived and at one point really was generous to saving the lives of some people potentially on the other side and it ended up causing the danger he faced.

00:48:54.000 And of course, you know, Bob Dole, he was shot and really maimed for life, if you really understand his injuries, trying to save the life of someone else on the battlefield in Monte Cassino.

00:49:05.000 I mean, these are true, wonderful stories, and then to pile onto that this gross accusation that somehow Hillary Clinton had anything to do

00:49:15.000 With the death of Chris Stevens, Ambassador, she had nothing to do with it.

00:49:19.000 Even if all the arguments about the PR afterwards, as Gene pointed out, are true.

00:49:24.000 Worst case scenario, she didn't give a straight story afterwards.

00:49:27.000 That had nothing to do with the death of...

00:49:30.000 Great ambassador over there.

00:49:31.000 I don't understand why the Republicans would choose to put this on primetime television when they have such wonderful stories of American heroism to speak to the American people.

00:49:41.000 I think it was wrong.

00:49:42.000 I don't care what that woman up there, the mother, has felt.

00:49:46.000 Her emotions are her own.

00:49:47.000 But for the country and choosing a leader, it's wrong to have someone come up there and tell a lie about Hillary Clinton.

00:49:54.000 It's not true.

00:49:55.000 It's logically not true.

00:49:57.000 It's manifestly not true.

00:49:58.000 She had anything to do in that case, even if all the arguments about what she said afterwards

00:50:04.000 Or as Susan Rice said afterwards on Meet the Press, are true.

00:50:06.000 And anybody who thinks about it for a second knows it's not true.

00:50:09.000 Well, no, it's not true. 0.96

00:50:10.000 I mean, I get up here in the morning, go to Cleveland, which is a stinky place. 1.00

00:50:13.000 I comb my hair like shit. 1.00

00:50:14.000 I roll out of bed. 1.00

00:50:15.000 I come out of here.

00:50:16.000 My hair looks a little nicer than usual because I really did it up this morning.

00:50:19.000 I got three hairs like Homer Simpson that come over my forehead.

00:50:21.000 And that means I'm beautiful.

00:50:22.000 But now I'm here and I'm talking about what happened in Benghazi.

00:50:25.000 And it's not true.

00:50:26.000 It's manifestly not true.

00:50:27.000 It's clearly not true.

00:50:27.000 It's evidentiarily not true.

00:50:29.000 Nothing is true.

00:50:30.000 And if they say it's true,

00:50:32.000 That's just because they're Republican hacks!

00:50:34.000 Republican hacks!

00:50:35.000 Okay, so, here's the deal.

00:50:38.000 It is true that Hillary Clinton and her State Department rejected literally dozens of requests for additional security in Benghazi.

00:50:43.000 They did so because they didn't want people to catch on to the fact that Hillary Clinton's war was a complete disaster. 0.99

00:50:48.000 That is true.

00:50:49.000 Also, I'm not going to take lectures on what's appropriate to show on television from the same people who thought it was wonderful when they brought out the Jersey Girls in 2004 to suggest that George W. Bush was responsible for 9-11.

00:51:01.000 You don't get to play that game.

00:51:03.000 You guys honored Cindy Sheehan for years before she turned on you.

00:51:06.000 When she was complaining that George W. Bush got her kids killed in Iraq for a lie.

00:51:10.000 Her son killed in Iraq for a lie.

00:51:12.000 But it's the whole thing, right?

00:51:13.000 This is what Democrats do.

00:51:14.000 So this is my problem.

00:51:15.000 The Democrats are always going to attack.

00:51:18.000 But let's make them attack. 0.86

00:51:19.000 Let's make them attack Pat Smith.

00:51:20.000 Let's make them attack the mothers of victims. 1.00

00:51:22.000 Let's make them do that. 0.99

00:51:23.000 Matt Lauer did the same thing.

00:51:24.000 He says that all the speakers should just tone down the rhetoric.

00:51:27.000 It's just too much.

00:51:27.000 It's just too much for Matt Lauer and his delicate sensibilities.

00:51:31.000 There's been so much violence in the country in the last couple of weeks.

00:51:33.000 People are on edge.

00:51:35.000 They're tense.

00:51:35.000 You add to that the passion that comes with political debate, and there are people who are truly afraid that things could boil over here in Cleveland.

00:51:44.000 Would you be willing to make a pledge to speak to everyone involved in this convention and say, please tone down the rhetoric?

00:51:51.000 So can you say to the people who are going to take to that podium this week, no personal attacks, no vitriol, keep it civil?

00:51:59.000 Okay, have you heard him make a similar plea to Hillary Clinton?

00:52:03.000 The woman who goes on national TV and says Republicans are her enemies? 0.99

00:52:06.000 And that Donald Trump is basically—she said yesterday he's the worst man ever to run for president, which is just historically ignorant. 0.93

00:52:13.000 I mean, there was a guy named John W. Davis in 1924 who ran on the platform against anti-lynching legislation. 0.97

00:52:19.000 So, no.

00:52:20.000 No.

00:52:21.000 But, you know, this is how the media acts, and this is why it's so important.

00:52:24.000 You don't have to play into their game, and this is why I really wish that Donald Trump would at least provide an alternative by doing the right thing.

00:52:31.000 We'll see how this convention unfolds.

00:52:32.000 Maybe it'll get better.

00:52:33.000 Maybe Chris Christie's right.

00:52:34.000 Maybe the first day's always the worst, and now it improves.

00:52:37.000 We can hope for that because, at the very least, we should hope for an elevation of the level of this campaign.

00:52:42.000 I know it's a lot to hope for.

00:52:43.000 So we'll bring you all the updates tomorrow.

00:52:46.000 And again, subscribe at dailywire.com.

00:52:48.000 You can be part of the mailbag.

00:52:49.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:52:49.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - July 19, 2016

Ep. 152 - Glitz, Glamor, Chaos -- It's RNC Time!

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