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Ep. 163 - Trump Speaks Conservatism As A Second Language


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This week, President Obama wrote a ridiculous piece in Glamour magazine arguing that men can be women, so long as they think it so, and they can invade women s bathrooms based on that subjective belief. But Obama, said the president, is indeed an Obama feminist, and he is here to change souls. The most important change, he lectured, may be the toughest of all, and that s changing ourselves. How should Americans change themselves? Well, Obama explained, we need to keep changing the attitude that permits the routine harassment of women, whether they re walking down the street or daring to go online. And he doesn t offer any solutions to these supposedly widespread problems. He just sort of throws out the notion that he understands female lady problems. To borrow some feminist language, that s kind of patriarchal: to condescend to women, and tell them that you understand their problems, and then you don t really need to present any solutions. This stuff isn t feminism, it s just politically correct virtue signaling. Ben Shapiro: America is a glorious place for women, the best in human history. And the only way to make it even better is to stop slandering men as sexist without evidence, and telling our daughters there are no glass ceilings, just a world of options waiting for them. After all, that they can go just as far as their skills and decisions take them. After all that, that's kind of the truth, isn t it? Ben Shapiro is a feminist, right? and he's here to help you get a good night's rest, right here in the middle of the middle. All righty! The Ben Shapiro Show, Ben Shapiro . Subscribe to Ben Shapiro's new show on the Ben Shapiro s new show, The FiveThirtyEight Podcast on the Four Pillows on Podchaser on his new podcast, The Best Way to Sleep on the Cheap Side of the Internet on The Five and much, much more! on this episode of The Five Thirty Five Podcasts on your favorite podcasting platform. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your favorite streaming platform, and much more. Thanks for listening to the FiveThirtyFive Podcasts? Subscribe, Subscribe and Share Ben Shapiro and the rest of your thoughts on the Five Guys Podcasts. Also, don't forget to leave us a rating and review Ben Shapiro on iTunes!


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00:00:00.000 This week, President Obama penned a ridiculous piece in Glamour magazine.
00:00:03.000 It dripped with self-regard.
00:00:04.000 It oozed with moral preening.
00:00:07.000 Barack Obama, said Barack Obama, is a true Barack Obama feminist.
00:00:10.000 This, of course, might not have been obvious from the fact that the Obama White House pays women 89 cents for every dollar earned by a man.
00:00:16.000 It might not have been obvious from the Obama administration's bizarre belief that men can be women, so long as they think it so.
00:00:22.000 And they can invade women's bathrooms based on that subjective belief.
00:00:25.000 But Obama, said Obama, is indeed an Obama feminist.
00:00:28.000 And he is here to change souls.
00:00:31.000 The most important change, he lectured, may be the toughest of all, and that's changing ourselves.
00:00:35.000 How should Americans change themselves?
00:00:37.000 Well, Obama explained, we need to keep changing the attitude that permits the routine harassment of women, whether they're walking down the street or daring to go online.
00:00:45.000 We need to keep changing the attitude that teaches men to feel threatened by the presence and success of women.
00:00:50.000 This sort of unearned moral righteousness makes you want to vomit and never stop vomiting.
00:00:53.000 Notice, Obama doesn't offer any solutions to these supposedly widespread problems.
00:00:58.000 He just sort of throws out the notion that he understands female lady problems.
00:01:01.000 To borrow some feminist language, that's kind of patriarchal.
00:01:05.000 To condescend to tell women that you understand their problems and then you don't really need to present any solutions.
00:01:10.000 As the subtext goes, all women really want is someone who can feel along with them.
00:01:16.000 But it's worse than that.
00:01:17.000 According to Obama, quote,
00:01:24.000 But why should anybody be rewarded for their sexuality?
00:01:26.000 Do we reward people when they poop?
00:01:28.000 Do we reward people for eating?
00:01:30.000 The only sort of sexuality that society should celebrate is the kind that takes place responsibly within the bounds of marriage, given that if sexuality produces kids, we would like kids to be born into solid two-parent families with their parents present.
00:01:41.000 Society should be, at best, neutral about other sorts of sexuality.
00:01:45.000 It seems kind of weird that feminism should ask for promiscuity to be treated as virtue for women just because bad people have treated it as virtue for men.
00:01:52.000 This stuff isn't feminism, it's just politically correct virtue signaling.
00:01:55.000 See, here's the thing.
00:01:56.000 I fully believe in the basic notion of original feminism, that women should be able to make whatever career choices they want based on merit.
00:02:03.000 I grew up in a house where my dad was the stay-at-home dad and my mom ran TV and film companies.
00:02:07.000 My wife is a doctor.
00:02:09.000 I'm certainly at home with the kids more than she is at this point, but she took time off for both of our kids.
00:02:13.000 I want my daughter to be able to pursue whatever dream she sees fit, but I don't think America's soul needs changing.
00:02:19.000 That's because I know Americans agree with me.
00:02:22.000 If they didn't, my mom's career wouldn't have been possible, neither would my wife's, neither would my daughter's.
00:02:27.000 I don't spend every day worrying about my daughter's possibilities, because in a free country, she can go just as far as her skills and decisions take her.
00:02:34.000 If she faces obstacles from sexists, I'll be right there calling for action if she wants my help.
00:02:38.000 But I'm not going to pretend, for the sake of PC and popularity, that sexism is widespread and pervasive.
00:02:44.000 It isn't.
00:02:45.000 America is a glorious place for women, the best in human history.
00:02:48.000 And the only way to make it even better is to target actual sexist activity and to stop slandering men as sexist without evidence and telling our daughters there are no glass ceilings, just a world of options waiting for them.
00:03:00.000 After all, that's kind of the truth.
00:03:01.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:03:02.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
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00:04:49.000 So, lots to get to today here on the Ben Shapiro Show.
00:04:53.000 Let's begin with the story that should be the lead story of the day.
00:04:56.000 So the story that should be the lead story of the day is courtesy of the New York Post.
00:05:00.000 Quote, Hillary Clinton put the State Department up for sale with top aides pulling strings and doing favors for fat cat donors to the Clinton Foundation.
00:05:08.000 Including a shady billionaire, according to smoking gun emails released on Tuesday.
00:05:12.000 The stunning revelations include how wealthy contributors seeking influence or prestigious government gigs could fork over piles of cash to get access to Clinton's inner circle, including top aides Huma Abedin and Sheryl Mills.
00:05:23.000 In an April 2009 message to Abedin and Mills, Doug Band, who was overseeing the Clinton Foundation at the time, that was the Clinton slush fund, urgently asked for a meeting between a top U.S.
00:05:32.000 official and Gilbert Chiguri.
00:05:35.000 Who's a major donor to the Clinton family charity.
00:05:37.000 He's a Lebanese business person, does a lot of business in Nigeria, so he's like a Nigerian scam prince, except that instead of asking you for $200 so he can send you a million, instead he just donates lots of money to the Clinton Foundation to get favors from Hillary.
00:05:50.000 So this guy who works for the Clinton Foundation, he wrote, we need to speak to the substance person regarding Lebanon.
00:05:56.000 As you know, Chiguri's key guy is there, and to us, and is loved in Lebanon.
00:06:00.000 And so he's trying to suck up to the big donor.
00:06:02.000 It's Jeff Feltman, Abedin wrote back, referring to America's former ambassador to Lebanon.
00:06:07.000 I'm sure he knows him.
00:06:07.000 I'll talk to Jeff, said Abedin.
00:06:09.000 Less than 20 minutes later, Band replied, better if you call him.
00:06:11.000 Now preferable.
00:06:12.000 This is very important.
00:06:13.000 He's awake, I'm sure.
00:06:14.000 So in other words, basically the State Department was reaching out to specific Clinton Foundation donors.
00:06:20.000 He is a Lebanese Nigerian billionaire who gave the Clinton Foundation between a million and five million dollars, and he pledged a billion dollars to the Clinton Global Initiative in 2009.
00:06:28.000 He has financial interests around the world.
00:06:31.000 He's been convicted of money laundering.
00:06:33.000 He's paid 66 million dollars in a plea deal.
00:06:36.000 And by the way, all of this paid dividends.
00:06:37.000 According to the New York Post, in June 2011, Band, Doug Band of the Clinton Foundation, formed the Teneo Consulting Firm with Bill Clinton as the paid honorary chairman.
00:06:45.000 In 2012, Abedin won permission to work as a $15,000 a month consultant for Teneo in a special arrangement that allowed her to remain on the State Department payroll.
00:06:55.000 So basically, they created kind of a middleman between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department, and these disclosures came via Judicial Watch, which does a lot of wonderful work, Judicial Watch.
00:07:04.000 So, none of this, of course, bodes well for Hillary Clinton, and it would be the top story of the day, and it should be the top story of the day.
00:07:11.000 The other top story of the day should be that Hillary Clinton let the father of a terrorist sit behind her at one of her rallies, and now she's running from questions.
00:07:18.000 So Hillary Clinton was doing an event, and one of the reporters asked her a question, watch as Hillary plays deaf.
00:07:35.000 I don't hear anything.
00:07:37.000 What could be going on?
00:07:38.000 Maybe those doctors are there for her hearing.
00:07:40.000 Or in case she falls down.
00:07:41.000 But in any case,
00:08:03.000 This should be the top story, right?
00:08:04.000 I mean, come on.
00:08:05.000 Imagine if David Duke's dad had shown up at a Donald Trump rally and they sat him, like, right behind Donald Trump.
00:08:11.000 Of course it would be an enormous story.
00:08:12.000 So all of this should be the top of the news.
00:08:14.000 All of this should be top of the news.
00:08:15.000 That the State Department was doing special favors to Clinton Foundation donors.
00:08:19.000 That Hillary Clinton is seating people like Omar Mateen's father, the Orlando jihadist, directly behind her at a rally.
00:08:27.000 All of this should be top of the news.
00:08:28.000 Instead, instead, because it is a day ending and why?
00:08:32.000 Donald Trump is the top of the news.
00:08:33.000 And Donald Trump is the top of the news.
00:08:34.000 I mean, honestly, it's got to be tough being, like, the Trump headquarters intern.
00:08:39.000 Can you just picture the scene?
00:08:40.000 You see the Trump headquarters intern, and watching TV, and then her face gets all sad, and she walks up to the whiteboard that has written on it in big letters, days without accident.
00:08:51.000 Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish
00:09:20.000 The Second Amendment.
00:09:21.000 By the way, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks.
00:09:32.000 Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know.
00:09:37.000 But I'll tell you what, that will be a horrible day.
00:09:40.000 That would be a horrible day.
00:09:41.000 So, there are a bunch of people who tried to spin this, and we'll get to the spin in a second.
00:09:45.000 There's a bunch of spin.
00:09:46.000 What does he actually mean?
00:09:46.000 Okay, what he clearly means, what he clearly means, the Second Amendment people and Trump's crazy small brain are the gun people, right?
00:09:53.000 Those crazy gun people will do something.
00:09:55.000 And they'll either storm the White House with their guns, or they'll shoot somebody.
00:09:57.000 They'll do something.
00:09:58.000 He's obviously not- Okay, so let's put one thing aside.
00:10:01.000 He's obviously not talking about voting or political lobbying.
00:10:04.000 Okay?
00:10:04.000 You can tell that from what he says.
00:10:06.000 There are two things there that demonstrate that's not what he's saying.
00:10:08.000 And I know, I know people want me to show up for Trump.
00:10:11.000 I know that there's this desire.
00:10:13.000 We have to lie for Trump.
00:10:14.000 I'm not gonna lie for Trump, okay?
00:10:15.000 I'm just not.
00:10:16.000 I don't lie for people and I'm not gonna lie for him.
00:10:18.000 I'm gonna call it like I see it.
00:10:19.000 Do I think, by the way, I'm gonna tell you in a minute why I don't think this is the world's biggest deal.
00:10:22.000 But there's two indicators from what he said.
00:10:24.000 He's not talking about political activity.
00:10:26.000 One is, he says, if she appoints these judges and they take away your gun rights, there's nothing you can do.
00:10:31.000 He didn't mean there's nothing you can do except vote.
00:10:35.000 He means there's nothing you can do.
00:10:36.000 And then he says the Second Amendment people might do something.
00:10:39.000 Right.
00:10:39.000 Like, use their Second Amendment, right?
00:10:41.000 Like, grab the guns.
00:10:42.000 And then he says, that would be horrible.
00:10:44.000 That's the second indicator.
00:10:45.000 So, yes, that would be a horrible day.
00:10:47.000 Why would it be a horrible day if they went to Congress and, like, petitioned?
00:10:50.000 Why would it be a horrible day if they used their political activism?
00:10:53.000 No, he clearly means they're gonna do something violent.
00:10:56.000 So there's a reason to be not upset about this, and then there's a reason to be actually upset about this.
00:11:00.000 So let's start with the reasons not to be upset about this.
00:11:02.000 First of all, the entire media, oh my god, he threatened Hillary Clinton's life.
00:11:05.000 If you really believe that Donald Trump is threatening Hillary Clinton's life, you're just a stupid person.
00:11:11.000 Donald Trump is not threatening Hillary Clinton's life.
00:11:13.000 He's not intending on killing her.
00:11:15.000 He's not implying that anyone should kill her.
00:11:17.000 He's not doing any of that, right?
00:11:18.000 He made a stupid joke, a very ill-timed, foolish joke, because this is what he does, about how those crazy gun people are going to do something about Hillary Clinton.
00:11:26.000 That's what it is.
00:11:27.000 And whenever the left acts all offended, ooh, how could he say something like this?
00:11:31.000 Let's flashback a little bit to 2009.
00:11:33.000 Here's Barack Obama telling a joke at a commencement ceremony.
00:11:36.000 I learned never again
00:11:39.000 To pick another team over the Sun Devils in my NCAA brackets.
00:11:47.000 It won't happen again.
00:11:52.000 President Crow and the Board of Regents will soon learn about being audited by the IRS.
00:12:02.000 So he tells this joke, everybody's laughing.
00:12:05.000 Oh, it's so funny.
00:12:06.000 He'll be audited by the IRS.
00:12:09.000 Charming smile, Barack.
00:12:10.000 Except that Barack Obama then used the IRS to audit all of his political opponents.
00:12:14.000 So, you know, he joked about something that actually happened, and people at the time were rightly outraged.
00:12:18.000 Barack Obama is a guy who has said that the Tea Party are like terrorists.
00:12:21.000 Well, last I checked,
00:12:22.000 Obama brags frequently about how great he is at killing terrorists and droning them.
00:12:26.000 So, you know, this kind of violent language is not something completely new.
00:12:29.000 It isn't.
00:12:30.000 And so anybody making a big deal out of it is ridiculous.
00:12:33.000 Like, how much blowback have you seen?
00:12:35.000 Will Smith, you know, he's in Suicide Squad.
00:12:37.000 He's very far to the left.
00:12:38.000 Here's Will Smith talking about Donald Trump supporters.
00:12:40.000 How much blowback have you seen today on the news about this?
00:12:43.000 As painful as it is to hear Donald Trump talk, and as embarrassing it is as an American to hear him talk, I think it's good.
00:12:52.000 We get to hear it, we get to know who people are, and now we get to cleanse it out of our country.
00:12:57.000 Cleanse it out of our country.
00:12:58.000 So you can talk about cleansing the Trump supporters from the country.
00:13:01.000 No blowback there.
00:13:02.000 We can just cleanse it out of the country.
00:13:03.000 We're going to cleanse it.
00:13:04.000 I don't know how you want to cleanse it.
00:13:05.000 Probably not the word you want to use.
00:13:07.000 Well, cleansing has bad historical connotations, but no blowback there.
00:13:12.000 So that's the reason why I'm not like all up in arms about this sort of thing on that level.
00:13:16.000 I don't think that anybody is going to go around trying to shoot Hillary Clinton because Donald Trump said that gun owners are going to shoot Hillary Clinton.
00:13:21.000 I think the gun owners don't do that sort of thing.
00:13:23.000 I think leftist gun owners do it after buying guns illegally, but I don't think that that's typically a right-wing thing to do.
00:13:29.000 We don't go around shooting politicians with whom we disagree.
00:13:32.000 That tends to be more of a Lee Harvey Oswald communist type routine.
00:13:36.000 Okay, so that's why I'm not upset.
00:13:38.000 Here's why I am upset about this.
00:13:40.000 The reason I'm upset about this is because Donald Trump speaks conservative as a second language.
00:13:45.000 There are certain people—I speak Hebrew as a second language.
00:13:48.000 My Hebrew is not very good.
00:13:49.000 I can understand a lot of it, but I can't really speak it particularly well.
00:13:52.000 I'm trying to learn Spanish right now, and my Spanish as a second language is garbage.
00:13:57.000 I can sort of get across my very, very, very basic point if I'm asking your name, but beyond that, we're screwed.
00:14:02.000 No good conversation is going to take place, and if I tried to explain to you the complexities of politics in Spanish, it would utterly fail.
00:14:08.000 It would utterly fail.
00:14:10.000 Well, that's how Trump speaks conservative.
00:14:11.000 So Trump speaks conservative in a way that, like, a small child struggling to walk for the first time is trying to walk.
00:14:19.000 Like, I've watched my toddler trying to walk.
00:14:20.000 When she first tried to walk, she'd walk four steps and then she'd fall right on her rear.
00:14:24.000 That's Trump trying to be a conservative.
00:14:25.000 And every time he says something about conservatives, you can tell what he actually thinks of conservatives is the same sort of thing Barack Obama thinks of conservatives.
00:14:33.000 He actually thinks that conservatives are these bitter clingers who cling to God and guns and xenophobia.
00:14:38.000 And yeah, I had to use him to get here, and I sort of agree with him on immigration a little bit, but really they're all kind of stupid, right?
00:14:44.000 Like these pro-lifers.
00:14:45.000 You can always tell he's trying to pander.
00:14:47.000 He always is trying to approximate where the conservative position is, but he's like little Jack Horner in the corner, sticking his thumb in the pie, hoping he hits a plum.
00:14:55.000 And he's like that with all the conservative positions.
00:14:57.000 So I'm pro-life, right?
00:14:58.000 They ask him about pro-life, and he says, yes, of course I would prosecute the mothers who try to abort their babies.
00:15:04.000 There's not a pro-lifer in America who thinks that.
00:15:06.000 But Donald Trump isn't particularly pro-life.
00:15:08.000 He speaks it as a second language.
00:15:10.000 Even if he is pro-life now, he certainly wasn't before, and so it's foreign to him.
00:15:13.000 He speaks it as a second language.
00:15:15.000 When it comes to religion, and he's talking about Christianity, he speaks it as a second language.
00:15:19.000 They ask him his favorite passage from the Bible, and he says, an eye for an eye.
00:15:23.000 Which, last I checked, was explicitly rejected by the Sermon on the Mount for Christians, and doesn't mean what he thinks it means even for Jews.
00:15:30.000 He speaks it as a second language.
00:15:32.000 He does this even on immigration.
00:15:33.000 You know, all these people who are border hawks.
00:15:35.000 People like, I've been a border hawk much longer than Donald Trump, and I'll be a border hawk after he's not a border hawk anymore.
00:15:39.000 Donald Trump's border hawk talk is all about, you know, he embraces the Jeff Sessions program, and he talks about how they're stealing our jobs.
00:15:48.000 But then he says things like, Barack Obama wants to deport all these people.
00:15:51.000 I don't want to do that because I have a heart.
00:15:53.000 He's speaking conservative as a second language.
00:15:55.000 I think the most obvious example of this, actually, was when Donald Trump did this at the RNC.
00:15:59.000 So at the RNC, he's giving a speech, and at one point during the speech, he says, we want to protect all of the gay people so they're not shot by terrorists.
00:16:08.000 Right?
00:16:09.000 And everybody cheers.
00:16:10.000 Yay!
00:16:11.000 We don't want people shot by terrorists.
00:16:12.000 And Trump stops in the middle of the speech, and he says,
00:16:16.000 I am so proud that Republicans are cheering this.
00:16:20.000 Okay, you're only proud of Republicans cheering that because you speak conservative as a second language.
00:16:24.000 You don't have to be pro-homosexuality or pro-the-LGBT movement in order to acknowledge and recognize it is bad when terrorists kill Americans, whether they're red, white, brown, or gay.
00:16:34.000 This is very simple stuff, but Trump doesn't get it.
00:16:36.000 So he does the same thing to gun owners here, and it's a problem, right?
00:16:39.000 He basically says about gun owners that we're all sittin' around with our AR-15s, just waitin'.
00:16:44.000 Just waitin' for the Supreme Court decision to come down.
00:16:47.000 Then we're gonna march on the White House?
00:16:49.000 We're good to go.
00:17:11.000 Actual troops coming to their house to remove their guns from law-abiding citizens.
00:17:16.000 Right?
00:17:16.000 Somebody coming and trying to take all the guns.
00:17:18.000 That's not what happens even if the Supreme Court were to reject Heller.
00:17:21.000 Right?
00:17:21.000 Heller didn't exist for most of the Supreme Court's history.
00:17:24.000 Right?
00:17:24.000 It's a very recent decision.
00:17:26.000 And it didn't happen across the country.
00:17:27.000 The gun owners were shooting members of the government.
00:17:29.000 It just didn't happen that way.
00:17:31.000 That's the problem that I have with Trump's response.
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00:18:17.000 So Donald Trump says this, and obviously he's speaking conservatism as a second language, and I wrote a column in National Review specifically about that that you can check out.
00:18:25.000 Now, beyond that, Donald Trump's defense of himself, he tried to defend himself a variety of ways here, and none of these are good defenses.
00:18:33.000 This is the problem with the Trump defense movement.
00:18:36.000 The Trump defense movement, right, the TDM, the Trump defense movement, they've come along and they feel the necessity to now defend everything that Trump says.
00:18:43.000 They can't just say, oh, he made a joke.
00:18:44.000 Calm down.
00:18:45.000 They can't just say, oh, he made a joke, and it wasn't a great joke, and he probably shouldn't have said it.
00:18:49.000 Now let's all move on with our lives.
00:18:51.000 Hillary Clinton's a corrupt liar.
00:18:52.000 They can't just do that.
00:18:53.000 They have to try and spin it and pretend he never made the mistake.
00:18:56.000 So here's Donald Trump trying to pretend that he didn't say what he said.
00:18:59.000 We have tremendous power, the people like myself that believe in the Second Amendment.
00:19:05.000 If Hillary Clinton gets elected, I think she's going to decimate the Second Amendment, if not abolish it.
00:19:11.000 And she'll do that through judges, through the justices of the Supreme Court.
00:19:14.000 But the Second Amendment people have tremendous power because they're so united.
00:19:18.000 Okay, so he says that the Second Amendment people— First of all, I love how he says Second Amendment people like we're a different tribe.
00:19:24.000 The Second Amendment people, they live in their caves.
00:19:27.000 They come out only at night, and they beat the bongo drums and chant around the fire, carrying their AR-15s.
00:19:34.000 And then, like wraiths, they fade into the darkness.
00:19:38.000 I mean, it's like a National Geographic special with this guy.
00:19:40.000 Because you've got the Second Amendment people, and then you've got the evangelicals, and you've got the blacks, and you've got the Hispanics, and you've got the Jews, and you've got, like, he just separates everybody by these things.
00:19:50.000 It's so silly.
00:19:50.000 The Second Amendment people.
00:19:52.000 This crazy tribe.
00:19:53.000 So he says, what I meant is that they would exercise their political power.
00:19:56.000 Okay, clearly, 1,000%, this is not what he meant.
00:20:00.000 Giuliani then makes the same case.
00:20:01.000 He says, you have to be corrupt to buy all of this.
00:20:04.000 Rudy Giuliani.
00:20:05.000 That it was a joke and that what he meant by that was that they would kill her.
00:20:19.000 Now, to buy that, you have to be corrupt.
00:20:24.000 Because if you said that to me, I would say to you, are you out of your mind?
00:20:30.000 I saw it.
00:20:30.000 I heard it.
00:20:31.000 I know what it meant.
00:20:32.000 I heard how the crowd reacted to it.
00:20:34.000 Because if he had meant what they're saying he meant, or suggesting he meant, they would have reacted the way you just reacted.
00:20:43.000 So here's what it proves.
00:20:44.000 It proves that most of the press is in the tank for Hillary Clinton.
00:20:51.000 They won't buy any lie, any distortion, any spin that the Clintons put out.
00:21:00.000 And they've been doing it since he was governor of Arkansas.
00:21:04.000 They've been doing it during the time he was president of the United States.
00:21:08.000 They were doing it all during the time she was a senator from my state.
00:21:13.000 And upstate New York fell apart because of her broken promises.
00:21:19.000 So my favorite thing about Rudy Giuliani, and there are two things I love when Rudy Giuliani speaks.
00:21:22.000 First of all, the accent is phenomenal.
00:21:24.000 When he pronounces the word saw as though it's spelled S-A-W-R, that's my favorite thing in the world.
00:21:29.000 And I also like the fact that you just feel like at any moment he's going to take off the tie, rip open his shirt and start body surfing the crowd.
00:21:34.000 It's just, it's fantastic.
00:21:36.000 But what he says there, this is the problem, right?
00:21:37.000 So he's saying, no, Trump never meant any of this.
00:21:39.000 He definitely didn't mean any of this.
00:21:41.000 And the media are corrupt.
00:21:42.000 The media are corrupt.
00:21:43.000 Now the media are corrupt.
00:21:44.000 But that's not what Trump meant.
00:21:46.000 So now we've heard from Trump himself.
00:21:48.000 That's not what I meant.
00:21:49.000 What I meant was political activity.
00:21:51.000 Then we hear from Giuliani.
00:21:53.000 That's not what I meant.
00:21:54.000 That's not what Trump meant.
00:21:55.000 You have to be corrupt to buy into this.
00:21:57.000 Then we got Dan Mangino, who's a former Secret Service guy and a big Trump defender.
00:22:01.000 He's on CNN and he loses his mind trying to defend Donald Trump.
00:22:05.000 Shouldn't he be as clear in his words as possible?
00:22:09.000 Go ahead.
00:22:10.000 Don, you want me to?
00:22:11.000 I'll answer that question.
00:22:12.000 Listen, we can disagree about how imprudent he worded that, but to suggest that he was calling to violence means to me that you came into this with the idea that Donald Trump was calling to violence, let me make the case afterwards.
00:22:27.000 You didn't come into this with a clear and open mind.
00:22:29.000 Listen, I was, I endorsed Cruz in the primary campaign.
00:22:32.000 I'm not a Trump surrogate.
00:22:33.000 I'm supporting him now.
00:22:34.000 What you're saying right now makes no sense.
00:22:36.000 I'm sitting at home.
00:22:37.000 I'm watching Donald Trump.
00:22:40.000 I have two ears, and I have two eyes, and I can see the reactions of the people behind me.
00:22:44.000 And I'm not, we're not stupid.
00:22:46.000 Every single person you have on this panel, who are very smart people, David Gergen, who's respected, hang on, can you let me finish, Dan?
00:22:54.000 David Gergen, who's respected by people on both sides, by Republicans and by Democrats, who've worked for Republicans and Democrats, who has worked for a president who's had an assassination attempt, who's lived through presidents who've been assassinated, knew exactly what Donald Trump is saying, and we're supposed to be stupid enough not to understand that and to believe the spin
00:23:14.000 Coming from the surrogates and from people like you, you should be ashamed of yourself.
00:23:19.000 Don, frankly I'm ashamed that you're talking to me as if I'm a child when 12 years of my life I was a superstar.
00:23:25.000 No, you're treating me as a child because you're telling me what I'm supposed to hear.
00:23:30.000 So it just devolves from here.
00:23:45.000 He says I'm a Secret Service agent.
00:23:46.000 He didn't mean that.
00:23:47.000 So Lemon is overplaying his hand, right?
00:23:49.000 Trump wasn't saying Hillary should be assassinated.
00:23:51.000 He was saying that the Second Amendment people are going to do something if the Supreme Court were to overrule Heller.
00:23:58.000 The Second Amendment people, that crazy trap.
00:24:00.000 But again, it's the same line, right?
00:24:02.000 Trump didn't actually mean any of this.
00:24:04.000 It's all false.
00:24:05.000 And then Katrina Pearson goes on TV.
00:24:08.000 And Katrina Pearson is, like, Trump has a couple of surrogates who are really, really not good.
00:24:13.000 He's got Ben Carson, who's officially been named by the Guinness Book of World Records the worst campaign surrogate of all time.
00:24:19.000 And then he's got Katrina Pearson.
00:24:20.000 And Katrina Pearson, now remember, the Trump line here is he just meant political power, right?
00:24:25.000 That's what he meant.
00:24:25.000 He meant that the NRA and the pro-gun people, the Second Amendment people, they were going to use their political power to fight against the Supreme Court and Hillary Clinton.
00:24:33.000 That's their line.
00:24:35.000 Then Katrina Pierson goes on TV, and it's double-face palm time, gang.
00:24:40.000 Trump was saying exactly what he said.
00:24:42.000 He was talking about Hillary Clinton and gun control, essentially, which is something that has been talked about a lot on the campaign trail.
00:24:49.000 Hillary Clinton is a gun grabber, and everyone knows if she's in a position to appoint Supreme Court justices, she will do everything she can to remove the Second Amendment.
00:24:58.000 So Mr. Trump was clearly pointing that out, as he does every day on the campaign trail.
00:25:03.000 But we also know that unification is key, which is exactly what our statement says coming out.
00:25:07.000 There are a lot of Americans in this country who support the Second Amendment.
00:25:12.000 There are millions of members of the NRA, and the NRA endorsed Mr. Trump earlier than anyone in history.
00:25:17.000 So this is very important in November, if you care about your Second Amendment rights, to get out there and vote.
00:25:21.000 And that's what he's talking about.
00:25:22.000 But Katrina, he was talking about what Second Amendment activists could do
00:25:29.000 To stop her, if she won, to stop her from appointing a gun control nominee to the Supreme Court.
00:25:37.000 It wasn't about November, it was, you know, if she gets in there, folks, there's nothing you can do.
00:25:42.000 I don't know, folks, maybe Second Amendment folks, maybe there's something you can do.
00:25:45.000 So it's not about November, it's after November.
00:25:49.000 Well, no, that's actually not what he was talking about, because just before that he was saying what could happen, as you just said, what could happen.
00:25:56.000 And he doesn't want that to happen.
00:25:57.000 And in order to stop that, people that support their Second Amendment rights need to come together and get out there and stop Hillary Clinton from winning in November.
00:26:04.000 Okay, we can stop it.
00:26:06.000 Oh no.
00:26:07.000 Because she just admitted what Trump was actually saying, right?
00:26:09.000 What she admitted there was that Trump was in fact saying that Second Amendment advocates might go out there and shoot people.
00:26:14.000 So again, it's a real disservice to Second Amendment advocates, first and foremost.
00:26:18.000 It's just, it's stupidity on every level.
00:26:20.000 And it puts all these people in a position of having to spin for Trump.
00:26:23.000 It's always spinning for Trump, spinning for Trump.
00:26:25.000 And I, you know, the...
00:26:27.000 The TDM, the Trump Defense Movement, their attempts to spin for Trump, this is not going to go well.
00:26:33.000 It's not going to go well, because Trump puts them in an indefensible position nearly every day.
00:26:38.000 He just doesn't have to make these mistakes, folks.
00:26:40.000 You can be a Trump fan and still say, your guy has to do better.
00:26:42.000 And he does.
00:26:43.000 I mean, if he continues along this path, he's going to get beat in historic style, and it's not going to be good.
00:26:47.000 And you can see the discomfort, the level of discomfort from a lot of the Trump defenders.
00:26:51.000 Paul Ryan, who won big last night.
00:26:53.000 He had his primary last night.
00:26:54.000 Peter Nalen was the guy who was running against him in Wisconsin, I think it's District 8.
00:26:59.000 And the Breitbart contingent, the alt-right contingent, were trying to oust Paul Ryan.
00:27:04.000 I'm not a huge Paul Ryan fan, but I was kind of rooting for Paul Ryan just because I wanted to see some of these people get their comeuppance.
00:27:09.000 Paul Ryan won like 90% of the vote, blew Peter Nalen out.
00:27:12.000 And Paul Ryan, he's kind of been forced into this position where he has to back Trump.
00:27:19.000 Here's Paul Ryan answering questions about Donald Trump again.
00:27:22.000 The point I made before is, with any endorsement of anyone, they are never blank checks.
00:27:27.000 Look, let me just say it this way.
00:27:29.000 I believe here in Wisconsin we have a unified Republican Party.
00:27:33.000 We have a unified Republican Party because we tell people who we are, what we believe, what our principles are, and what we'll do if we get elected.
00:27:39.000 And then, like we had happen here in Wisconsin, we did it.
00:27:43.000 OK, so he says it's not a blank check, except it's sort of a blank check, and people are seeing it that way.
00:27:47.000 They're seeing it that way.
00:27:48.000 So now, the question becomes, OK, let's assume that Trump is not doing well.
00:27:52.000 And again, it's very painful.
00:27:54.000 This whole conversation is painful, because there are so many people that I respect who have become part of the Trump defense movement.
00:28:00.000 They've become part of the TDM.
00:28:01.000 And it really is painful to me.
00:28:03.000 So you got Dennis Prager on TV last night, and he was asked about the gaffes.
00:28:07.000 And I love Dennis.
00:28:09.000 I mean, I'm friends with Dennis.
00:28:10.000 And here's Dennis on CNN defending the gaffes.
00:28:12.000 But I think I'm going to say something that will sound shocking, but it is not meant at all to shock.
00:28:19.000 I would say that all of them put together are inconsequential compared to the president and many, many, like at the New York Times and Democrats generally, who purvey the notion.
00:28:33.000 Many say that police disproportionately kill blacks because they're black.
00:28:37.000 When, in fact, that has been shown to be false, even in a New York Times report just from a few weeks ago with a black professor of economics at Harvard who studied the whole issue and found that, in fact, blacks were disproportionately less killed.
00:28:52.000 So when we talk about purveying conspiracy theories, the left has it over Trump in spades.
00:29:00.000 Okay, so what Dennis is saying there is 100% true, but what it looks like, how that reads, what he's saying is true.
00:29:05.000 And a lot of Trump defenders are saying true things.
00:29:07.000 But there's what you say, and then there's how it reads on the public.
00:29:09.000 There's how it imprints on the public.
00:29:10.000 And the way this imprints on the public is as Trump defends.
00:29:14.000 You don't want to talk about his gaffes, so instead you swivel to Hillary Clinton.
00:29:17.000 And that's not a rare political move, but it just puts conservatives in this awkward position where they're constantly having to shift away from conservative defense and into, let's attack Hillary instead of defending our own guy, because we can't defend our own guy.
00:29:29.000 His gaffes are bad and he says silly things, and so they're forced into unpalatable
00:29:36.000 Unpalatable things.
00:29:37.000 Senator Jeff Sessions, another one.
00:29:39.000 He's a big Trump backer.
00:29:40.000 Trump has been on the campaign trail saying this election is going to be rigged.
00:29:43.000 And so now you've got Senator Jeff Sessions out on the campaign trail, a conservative guy.
00:29:47.000 You've got Senator Jeff Sessions out there saying that the 2000 election, where George W. Bush won, that could have been rigged.
00:29:54.000 But you don't really believe a presidential election can be rigged?
00:29:58.000 Well, you know, we don't know how Florida came out.
00:30:00.000 There were a lot of hard feelings about that and Bush-Gore.
00:30:03.000 So one precinct in one major state can make a difference in an election, and there is fraud still in America today.
00:30:11.000 Okay, and so basically we've now come to the point where anything can be said in defense of Trump.
00:30:16.000 Truth becomes a secondary priority.
00:30:17.000 There's not voter fraud in Florida.
00:30:19.000 That's not what happened in Florida.
00:30:20.000 What happened in Florida is that Bush won the state of Florida.
00:30:22.000 It's tough, tough bananas for Al Gore, but that's just the way that it was.
00:30:28.000 There's this attempt now to defend Trump at all costs.
00:30:31.000 I had this conversation with Hugh Hewitt this morning.
00:30:33.000 Hugh Hewitt calls into the morning show that I do.
00:30:35.000 Hugh is a syndicated host for Salem Radio Network.
00:30:37.000 And Hugh was trying to make the case that anybody who wasn't lying for Trump, basically, anybody who wasn't—who was talking about any of Trump's gaffes, they were ensuring that Hillary Clinton is going to make Supreme Court appointments, which is silly, okay?
00:30:50.000 It's not my job to defend Trump.
00:30:51.000 It's my job to tell the truth.
00:30:53.000 And the reason that—and let me explain why we've been talking Trump as opposed to Hillary's scandals.
00:30:58.000 Okay?
00:30:58.000 Reason number one.
00:30:59.000 Everybody who's listening to me already knows Hillary is the most corrupt person ever to run for President of the United States.
00:31:04.000 I despise her on a visceral level.
00:31:06.000 I think she's a bad person.
00:31:07.000 I think she's a corrupt, nasty human being.
00:31:09.000 Okay?
00:31:10.000 All of that is true, and that's been true for literally my entire political lifetime.
00:31:13.000 None of that has changed.
00:31:14.000 In order for something to be newsworthy, however, truly newsworthy, it needs to be a departure from information we already know.
00:31:21.000 So if I came to you and I said tonight, you know, Bill Clinton is having sex with a woman who's not his wife.
00:31:28.000 Like a different woman who's not his wife.
00:31:30.000 Your reaction would probably be, OK, next headline.
00:31:32.000 We know that.
00:31:32.000 Of course he's doing that.
00:31:33.000 He's a dog.
00:31:34.000 We know he's a dog.
00:31:34.000 There's nothing new there.
00:31:36.000 If I say to you, Donald Trump said tonight that Hillary Clinton ought to be shot, your ears are going to perk up because that's new information in the system.
00:31:43.000 The problem with Trump is that Trump keeps providing new information in the system.
00:31:48.000 Hillary is running this robotic, boring campaign, but she's not providing any new information in the system.
00:31:52.000 Even when there are these new reports about Hillary using the State Department as her personal grab bag of cash, everybody who believes Hillary is corrupt already knows this.
00:32:01.000 None of this reinforces anything.
00:32:03.000 Now, if Trump were out there saying it every day, if Trump were out there pushing it every day, the media would be forced to cover it, even though it's boring.
00:32:09.000 But Trump provides them this shiny object out here, and then they can cover the shiny object.
00:32:14.000 And so that's what's been happening with Donald Trump, and it's really hurting him in the polls, obviously.
00:32:19.000 And then finally, you get to the final spin, and the final spin—so anyway, before I get to that, sorry, Hugh Hewitt called in, and I want to go through this very briefly because this is one of the arguments I've been getting a lot, and I get a lot of emails about this.
00:32:30.000 Okay, you say that you don't support Trump, you don't support Hillary, you don't support any of these people, throw them all out with the bathwater.
00:32:36.000 What about the Supreme Court?
00:32:37.000 So Hugh Hewitt calls in and he says, Donald Trump is going to assure that we have a conservative Supreme Court.
00:32:42.000 And I said, Hugh, you know that's not true.
00:32:44.000 The reason you know that's not true is because Democrats will have enough votes to filibuster any conservative judicial nominee.
00:32:51.000 If you have faith out there that Mitch McConnell is going to invoke the nuclear option in the Senate in order to assure a conservative on the Supreme Court, you're out of your mind.
00:33:00.000 Mitch McConnell will do nothing of the kind.
00:33:02.000 Mitch McConnell will never, ever invoke the nuclear option.
00:33:04.000 It's not going to happen.
00:33:05.000 The proof of that is that Mitch McConnell has never invoked the nuclear option.
00:33:09.000 He's not going to do it.
00:33:10.000 He's simply not going to do it.
00:33:12.000 And after they filibuster, Trump will come back with somebody who's not conservative, he'll be confirmed with 70 votes, and he'll end up being a worse version of John Roberts.
00:33:19.000 That's what's going to happen here.
00:33:20.000 And Trump doesn't have the intestinal fortitude or the mental wherewithal to pick a conservative and ram that person through.
00:33:26.000 He doesn't care that much about the court.
00:33:28.000 It's not a priority for him.
00:33:29.000 In any case,
00:33:30.000 Now that all this has been put out there, as it's becoming clear that Trump is failing, that Trump is having a tough time, that he can't keep that whiteboard clean, the no mistakes on the job whiteboard clean for more than five minutes, all the pro-Trump people, the Trump defense movement, now they're looking for a scapegoat.
00:33:46.000 So Sean Hannity has been the guy who's really out there first and foremost looking for a scapegoat.
00:33:50.000 Here he is.
00:33:52.000 For all those people that say they're Republicans, that just, we went down the entire list of differences now between you and Hillary.
00:34:00.000 And if they're gonna stay, you know, on this never Trump thing...
00:34:04.000 They're responsible for her Supreme Court picks.
00:34:07.000 They're responsible for the refugees that are unvetted.
00:34:11.000 They will be responsible for whatever illegal immigrants do.
00:34:15.000 They'll be responsible when we have a depleted military and a crisis comes.
00:34:19.000 So I think this is a very, this is a compare and contrast election to me.
00:34:23.000 Very different visions for the country.
00:34:25.000 These are terrible people.
00:34:26.000 They're terrible people.
00:34:27.000 You know, anybody, anybody who doesn't back Donald Trump is a terrible person.
00:34:31.000 If Trump loses, and he loses by a large margin, it's not because he's a crappy candidate who says stupid things, distracting from real issues every day, is a Democrat on many of the major issues of our time, and has been pushed by people in a way that is not honest.
00:34:44.000 No, it's the fault of all the people who are over here saying, guys, you're blowing this.
00:34:48.000 You're blowing this.
00:34:49.000 And you blew it the minute you nominated this guy.
00:34:51.000 And I'm not going to ride this train to hell with you.
00:34:54.000 You want to go into Eastwood Ravine, that's your problem.
00:34:56.000 I'm not riding this train with you because it's important that we preserve a remnant of conservatives and conservatism beyond all of the people who have been co-opted into the TDM, drafted into the Trump defense movement to defend Donald Trump's non-conservative policies and the foolish things that he says while he turns conservatism into a laughingstock.
00:35:14.000 Well, he translates conservatism into conservatism as a second language.
00:35:20.000 It's a waste of time, and the whole election's very disappointing.
00:35:23.000 If I sound depressed, it's because I'm deeply depressed, and if there were a bathtub here as well as a plugged-in toaster, I'd be seriously considering my options.
00:35:31.000 Okay.
00:35:31.000 All that said, it is mildly hilarious that the media are beginning to turn on each other.
00:35:36.000 Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski had a bit of a lover's quarrel on MSNBC over Paul Ryan, and this was just mostly amusing.
00:35:43.000 He can't stop himself.
00:35:45.000 He is a train wreck going a thousand miles an hour.
00:35:49.000 It is about the Republicans around him now.
00:35:52.000 The story is about you.
00:35:54.000 And I don't mean to have a nasty tone, and I say to Paul Ryan, go home and spend some time with your family.
00:35:59.000 You're a Democrat.
00:36:00.000 Mika, you're a Democrat.
00:36:00.000 Let me say this.
00:36:01.000 Let me say this, okay?
00:36:02.000 Because it means nothing coming from you, okay?
00:36:05.000 You're a Democrat.
00:36:06.000 Excuse me?
00:36:06.000 It means nothing coming from a Democrat to these Republicans.
00:36:09.000 Well, actually, the Democrats are going to win the election, so if you want to actually have a playing chance, you're going to have to do something.
00:36:16.000 We've already said that.
00:36:16.000 That makes sense.
00:36:17.000 Let me say this to my Republican Party.
00:36:19.000 You are letting Donald Trump destroy the party.
00:36:24.000 And you've done it from the beginning.
00:36:25.000 We've said from the very beginning when he started blowing himself up, when Paul Ryan endorsed him, that it's only going to get worse.
00:36:34.000 And it just keeps getting worse, doesn't it?
00:36:36.000 And when I say go home and spend time with your family, I mean look at your children in the eyes.
00:36:41.000 Look at your wife in the eyes and really ask
00:36:44.000 Okay, enough.
00:36:45.000 I'm not going to be lectured by a democrat who supports the most corrupt person in the history of American politics for president about how you're morally deficient if you vote for Donald Trump.
00:37:04.000 You're all morally deficient if you vote for Hillary Clinton.
00:37:07.000 Much more morally deficient than the people who say we'll vote Trump to stop Hillary Clinton.
00:37:10.000 But I think we can assume from this clip pretty fairly that Joe Scarborough will be sleeping on the couch tonight.
00:37:16.000 So that's the latest from media world.
00:37:20.000 By the way, I have been thinking that it would be fun to do—I get a lot of notes about my Chris Matthews impersonation.
00:37:28.000 And so I've been encouraging a friend of mine, Brian Whitman, to do a Chris Matthews Christmas album.
00:37:34.000 And if he doesn't do it, then I think that it might be worthwhile doing that.
00:37:37.000 We could do a Chris Matthews and Barack Obama, a very special Matthews Christmas with guest stars Barack Obama and perhaps, let's see, who else do I do on this show?
00:37:48.000 Maybe John Kerry would stop by.
00:37:49.000 Harlan Night, lol.
00:37:52.000 Holy nart, all is calm, all is bright.
00:37:57.000 Cause now there's sleigh bells ringing, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling, jingling
00:38:16.000 Ethan Hawke was recently in a science fiction movie that I didn't like very much, Predestination, which is just the weirdest movie that you've ever conceived of.
00:38:25.000 Basically, it involves an involuntary sex change in a person.
00:38:28.000 I don't want to give away all of the secrets in case you decide to waste $4 on Amazon.com and rent it, but it is a very, very weird movie.
00:38:35.000 A not-so-weird movie that's actually very good.
00:38:39.000 With Jude Law and Ethan Hawke as Gattaca, which is a very, very good science fiction film and a thought-provoking science fiction film.
00:38:44.000 The nice thing about science fiction is that science fiction can sort of explore philosophical areas that a lot of other fiction can't, because it's much more about ideas and worlds being created than it is about characters.
00:38:54.000 So I know that Andrew Klavan doesn't like science fiction for precisely that reason, because he loves the characters and he doesn't care so much about—he thinks the ideas are revealed through the characters.
00:39:04.000 Science fiction is much more just about the ideas.
00:39:05.000 It's just a lot of ideas.
00:39:07.000 Well, Gattaca is a movie about ideas.
00:39:08.000 There's character in it, but it's very idea-driven movie.
00:39:11.000 Here's a little bit of the preview of Gattaca.
00:39:13.000 Genetics.
00:39:14.000 What can it mean?
00:39:15.000 The ability to perfect the physical and mental characteristics of every unborn child.
00:39:20.000 In the not-too-distant future,
00:39:36.000 Our DNA will determine everything about us.
00:39:41.000 A minute drop of blood, saliva, or a single hair determines where you can work, who you should marry, what you're capable of achieving.
00:40:03.000 In a society where success is determined by science, divided by the standards of perfection.
00:40:17.000 That gives you the premise of the film, and it's a really, really interesting film.
00:40:28.000 It's got a lot of good ideas to it, and it's actually a very conservative film, because it basically suggests that genetics is not the be-all, end-all, that you have the capacity to rise above your biological limitations and become something better if you're willing to put in the hard work and if you're willing to make the right decisions.
00:40:42.000 It's a really good movie.
00:40:43.000 I like the movie a lot.
00:40:44.000 It's a little bit slow, but it's a movie that's well worth the watch.
00:40:47.000 Okay, other funny things that are worth pointing out.
00:40:50.000 Jennifer Granholm is one of the craziest people in American politics, former governor of Michigan.
00:40:54.000 She made herself kind of quasi-famous in 2008 when she spoke at the convention.
00:40:58.000 She started waving her arms like a nut job up at the podium.
00:41:01.000 So Jennifer Granholm was on TV, and she uses a term on live television that no one should really use on live television.
00:41:10.000 In another rally.
00:41:10.000 We're not allowed to punch back anymore.
00:41:12.000 In the old days, they'd be carried off in a stretcher.
00:41:15.000 Or, part of the problem is that no one wants to hurt each other anymore.
00:41:19.000 Or, these are all different rallies.
00:41:20.000 If you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them.
00:41:24.000 You remember he offered to pay for the legal fees of a guy who, you know, cut-blocked one of the protesters.
00:41:31.000 Okay, he did not offer to pay the legal fees of someone who blank-blocked somebody.
00:41:36.000 That is not what that word means, Jennifer Granholm, but this is what happens when you have insane people running your political systems.
00:41:43.000 I just thought it was amusing that she dropped that word on national TV and everybody just sort of brushed right by it.
00:41:48.000 Okay, so Wednesday's our Bible Day here on the Ben Shapiro Show, so we do a little bit of Parsha.
00:41:54.000 So Parsha, for people who don't know, I say this every week, the Parsha is the segment of the Bible that Jews read every single week.
00:42:01.000 We have a different segment every week, and by the end of the year, we've gone through the entirety of the five books of Moses.
00:42:06.000 So this week's Parsha is Devarim, which is the beginning of the book of Deuteronomy.
00:42:11.000 And so we're taking this actually from, let's see, I screwed this up.
00:42:15.000 It should have been from Deuteronomy 3, 21-22, but bottom line is, you don't have to show it, but let me look it up real fast so that we actually have the correct, let's see, Deuteronomy 3.
00:42:25.000 It'll take me just one second, gang.
00:42:29.000 Deuteronomy 3.
00:42:30.000 See, this is the problem.
00:42:31.000 We need a better internet.
00:42:32.000 Deuteronomy 3, 21, 20.
00:42:32.000 Okay, here we go.
00:42:33.000 So it says,
00:42:50.000 So this sort of language troubles a lot of people, both religious and secular.
00:42:53.000 The idea that God is fighting on somebody's behalf.
00:42:56.000 We get this debate every time there's an athlete who points up to God after scoring a touchdown.
00:43:00.000 We think, okay, really was the defensive back not good with God that day?
00:43:04.000 What happened?
00:43:05.000 And if so, then why the hell is Terrell Owens scoring so many touchdowns?
00:43:09.000 Got problems, right?
00:43:10.000 So we're always thinking in terms of why, when it says, the Bible says, God will fight with you, God will be on your side.
00:43:16.000 What does that mean?
00:43:17.000 Because it seems like one of two things is happening.
00:43:18.000 Either you're being deprived of your free will, because God is fighting on your side, or you are fighting on God's side, in which case there's a preordination to the universe.
00:43:29.000 There should be some sort of magical matchup between free will and what happens to you.
00:43:34.000 If you do a good thing, good things happen to you.
00:43:37.000 If you do a bad thing, bad things happen to you.
00:43:39.000 Why does God talk in these terms in the Bible about Him being on your side?
00:43:43.000 God will do all these things for you.
00:43:45.000 So, a couple answers.
00:43:46.000 One is that there are historical anomalies where God clearly intervenes in history.
00:43:50.000 The creation of the United States is obviously one of these situations where God intervened in history, where there are too many miracles that occurred at the creation, the foundation of the United States.
00:43:59.000 For it to have been just coincidence, for it to have happened out of nowhere, this tiny army defeating the greatest army on the face of the planet, this great congregation of minds coming together all at the same time in Philadelphia to create the Constitution.
00:44:12.000 I mean, there has to be some sort of godly intervention there.
00:44:15.000 But the real question is for us on an individual level.
00:44:18.000 There's no guarantee.
00:44:19.000 We all know this.
00:44:19.000 There's no guarantee that if we do what God wants, good things happen to us in this world.
00:44:23.000 There's no guarantee of that.
00:44:24.000 It's one of the saddest things about life is that you can be a perfectly good person and have a perfectly miserable life.
00:44:29.000 You can be plagued by health problems and marital problems.
00:44:31.000 You can make a good decision that seems good at the time and turns out to be a bad decision.
00:44:36.000 Where is God when all this happens?
00:44:38.000 Well, this is the downside of having free will.
00:44:40.000 And the whole purpose of life is to try and understand that your free will has to be
00:44:45.000 We're good to go.
00:45:04.000 And the Bible is all about general rules for life.
00:45:06.000 Yes, there's an individual level of divine inspiration and intervention in each individual life.
00:45:12.000 But if you want to understand God's relationship with humanity, you can't look at God's relationship with individual humans.
00:45:17.000 You have to look at God's relationship with humanity more broadly.
00:45:20.000 And if you look at God's relationship with humanity more broadly, there are certain basic rules by which you live where God rewards you nationally and internationally for the sorts of decisions that you make as a society.
00:45:30.000 If you're a society that decides to throw marriage aside and pretend it no longer matters, then you're going to end up as a society that doesn't produce children and that ends up falling into the abyss.
00:45:39.000 If you're a society that doesn't care about morality and foreign policy, you're going to end up being abandoned by all your friends and you'll be eaten last in the international sphere.
00:45:47.000 God created the world with certain rules.
00:45:49.000 The Bible is sort of a rulebook, it's sort of a handbook that allows us to discover what those rules are.
00:45:55.000 We're good to go.
00:46:11.000 Okay, quick thing that I hate and then we'll get out of here.
00:46:13.000 So, the thing that I hate
00:46:32.000 Now it appears that Claremont students, so Claremont Colleges, they were supposed to have me speak there and they shut it down.
00:46:36.000 That was another college this year where they didn't want me on campus because I'm offensive to people by saying things that aren't lovey-dovey.
00:46:43.000 And so they have now decided, apparently, a group of students at Claremont Colleges in search of a roommate insists that their roommates not be white.
00:46:51.000 Student Kari Urena posted on Facebook that non-white students in need of housing arrangements should reach out to either her or two other students with whom she plans to live in an off-campus house.
00:47:01.000 The post states, people of color only will be considered for this living opportunity.
00:47:05.000 She added, I don't want to live with any white folks.
00:47:08.000 Dalia Zada expressed concerns to anti-white discrimination.
00:47:13.000 She wrote back, POC only?
00:47:15.000 People of color only?
00:47:16.000 Maybe I'm missing something or misunderstanding your post, but how is that not a racist thing to say?
00:47:20.000 And then AJ Leon, who's a member of the Pitzer Latino Student Union, wrote back, this is directed to protect people of color, not white people.
00:47:27.000 Don't see how this is racist at all.
00:47:29.000 Sarah Rashtish, you said, people of color are allowed to create safe POC only spaces.
00:47:34.000 It is not reverse racism or discriminatory.
00:47:37.000 It is self-preservation.
00:47:38.000 Reverse racism isn't a thing.
00:47:40.000 Yes, it is a thing.
00:47:41.000 And it's not reverse racism, it's just racism.
00:47:44.000 Racism is the idea that one group ought to be separated off from the other groups simply based on their biology, simply based on the color of their skin.
00:47:51.000 Not even due to culture, right?
00:47:52.000 Just based on the biology.
00:47:54.000 Because the truth is, a black student may be much more similar to a white student in all aspects of their life except for the color of their skin, but according to this sort of logic, the black person is inherently different from the white person, which is of course what the KKK thinks.
00:48:06.000 So, of course it's racist.
00:48:07.000 Of course it's racist.
00:48:08.000 But we've taught these kids
00:48:10.000 That you are incapable of racism if you are a member of a victim group.
00:48:13.000 This is the highest form of racism.
00:48:15.000 It leads to tremendous evil.
00:48:16.000 When tribalism trumps basic common decency, we're toast.
00:48:21.000 Societies are destroyed on the shoals of this kind of stuff.
00:48:24.000 When you say that your tribe is more important than basic morality, you got a problem.
00:48:28.000 So I get a lot of emails from white supremacists.
00:48:31.000 I do, unfortunately.
00:48:32.000 Where they say, well, you're Jewish, and you're Jewish supremacist.
00:48:35.000 No.
00:48:35.000 I'm not a Jewish supremacist.
00:48:37.000 I don't care one iota about Jewish ethnicity.
00:48:39.000 I think Jewish ethnicity is pretty much worthless.
00:48:42.000 The only reason that Jewish ethnicity matters at all is because in religious terms, it allows you the capacity to be a practicing Jew.
00:48:47.000 But, in terms of Jewish supremacy, the only thing I think is supreme about Judaism is Jewish values, which is why I'm a Jew, just as Christians think the Christian values are best.
00:48:56.000 I have no truck whatsoever with the idea that if somebody does bad things, they're better because they're a Jew.
00:49:01.000 The essence of racism is, if I do a bad thing, it's okay because I'm white or because I'm black or because I'm green.
00:49:08.000 That's a bunch of crap, and the university's reinforcing this stuff because they feel so guilty about this long history of American racism.
00:49:15.000 It really is counterproductive.
00:49:16.000 It's actually giving credence to the very people that anti-racism efforts were meant to fight in the first place.
00:49:22.000 Okay, we will be back tomorrow.
00:49:24.000 Hopefully, we can all hope that perhaps, for one day, Donald Trump can stop tripping over his own shoelaces like something out of The Three Stooges.
00:49:32.000 Can we do that?
00:49:33.000 Can we try to do that for like one day just because it's getting boring already?
00:49:36.000 Like, please?
00:49:37.000 Okay, we'll find out tomorrow.
00:49:39.000 The suspense is there.
00:49:39.000 Also, we'll have the mailbag tomorrow, so be there or be square.
00:49:42.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:49:42.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.