The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 175 - Trump Goes To Mexico! Taco Bowls For Everybody!

00:00:00.000 On Friday, a South Carolina high school stopped students from bringing American flags to a football game against a heavily Hispanic rival school.

00:00:07.000 Why?

00:00:07.000 Well, the principal was presumably worried that waving the flag might offend the Hispanic kids.

00:00:12.000 According to the principal, quote,

00:00:23.000 This isn't the first such situation.

00:00:25.000 The 9th U.S.

00:00:26.000 Circuit Court of Appeals ruled last year a public school in California could ban students from wearing a shirt emblazoned with an American flag on Cinco de Mayo thanks to fears over racial conflict at that school.

00:00:37.000 The lawyer for the kids said, quote, this opens the door for a school to suppress any viewpoints that are opposed by a band of vocal and violent bullies.

00:00:45.000 Meanwhile, has been, kind of never was, San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick has been widely praised by the left media for refusing to stand for the national anthem during football games.

00:00:55.000 He said, I'm not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.

00:01:00.000 He explained this while earning $19 million for sitting on the bench.

00:01:03.000 He continued, quote, to me, this is bigger than football.

00:01:06.000 It would be selfish on my part to look the other way.

00:01:08.000 There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.

00:01:13.000 Hey folks, we're watching the end of America in real time.

00:01:16.000 That doesn't mean the country's on the verge of actual implosion.

00:01:18.000 But the idea of America required a common definition of being American.

00:01:23.000 A love of country based on the basis of its founding philosophy.

00:01:26.000 That has now been undermined by the left.

00:01:28.000 Love of country doesn't mean you have to love everything about America.

00:01:31.000 Or that you can't criticize America.

00:01:32.000 But loving America means understanding that this country was founded on a unique basis.

00:01:37.000 A uniquely good basis.

00:01:38.000 That's what the flag stands for.

00:01:40.000 Not ethnic superiority or racial solidarity or police brutality.

00:01:44.000 But the basic notion of individual liberty and equal rights before God.

00:01:48.000 But with the destruction of that central principle, the ties that bind us together, they're fraying.

00:01:52.000 And the left loves it.

00:01:53.000 In fact, the two defining philosophical iterations of the modern left, they both make war with the ties that bind us together.

00:02:00.000 In President Obama's landmark second inaugural address, people haven't looked at it closely enough, he said, quote, being true to our founding documents does not mean we all define liberty in exactly the same way.

00:02:09.000 This is the same kind of definition worshipped by Justice Anthony Kennedy, who has single-handedly redefined the Constitution on issues ranging from abortion to same-sex marriage.

00:02:17.000 He said, quote,

00:02:26.000 Well, I mean, after smoking a bong, it probably seems that way, but this means that liberty has no real definition, outside of stuff I want to do.

00:02:32.000 And it turns out we all want to do different stuff, sometimes at the expense of other people's liberty and stuff.

00:02:37.000 Subjective definitions of liberty, rather than a common definition, means a conflict of all against all, or at least a conflict of a government controlled by some who are targeting everybody else.

00:02:47.000 It means our flag is no longer a common symbol for our shared definition of liberty.

00:02:50.000 It's just a rag that means different things to different people based on their subjective experiences and definitions of reality.

00:02:57.000 And that truly means we have nothing holding us together.

00:02:59.000 The only way to restore the ties that bind us is to rededicate ourselves to the basic idea of liberty for which generations of Americans fought and died.

00:03:07.000 That won't happen so long as the left insists that their feelings are more important than your rights.

00:03:12.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:03:13.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

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00:05:06.000 Okay, so we begin today. 0.94

00:05:07.000 With breaking news, breaking news gang, Hillary Clinton is super duper corrupt. 1.00

00:05:12.000 If that sounds like the breaking news every day for the last 30 years, that's because it basically is, it now turns out that Hillary Clinton was, wait for it, lying about, wait for it, her missing emails.

00:05:23.000 No, yeah, right?

00:05:25.000 I mean, everybody's like, whoa!

00:05:27.000 No, it turns out, shocker, I mean, this is the most shocking news since Rosie O'Donnell announced she was a lesbian.

00:05:31.000 It's true.

00:05:32.000 According to the State Department, among the thousands of emails now recovered by the FBI from Hillary's bleached, bit-ridden personal server, there's about 30 emails about the terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya.

00:05:43.000 So Hilary, as you recall, she had said that all of these emails concerned yoga and her daughter's wedding.

00:05:49.000 I didn't realize that Chelsea was getting married in Benghazi and that Hilary intended on attending yoga classes in Benghazi. 0.93

00:05:55.000 I mean, at least that would explain why she hasn't done yoga for 10 years. 0.98

00:05:59.000 She was getting yoga class emails from Benghazi, apparently.

00:06:02.000 Or, alternatively, she was deleting all sorts of relevant material because she's corrupt and she was attempting to shield herself from scrutiny over that corruption. 0.88

00:06:09.000 Apparently, she was sending this classified email, this classified material, long after, or at least information on Benghazi that was deleted from her server, long after she was at the State Department.

00:06:19.000 So she was a private citizen sending what could have been classified information via a private server to other people who worked for her. 0.85

00:06:26.000 Yes, she's deeply corrupt. 1.00

00:06:27.000 I love it when the left says, there's no smoking gun, there's no smoking gun.

00:06:31.000 Okay, there has never been and never will be a criminal case in which there's an actual smoking gun when you didn't see the shot fired.

00:06:38.000 Okay, those cases may be limited to once in a thousand years.

00:06:42.000 Basically, the left's argument is this.

00:06:44.000 We say Hillary Clinton set up a private server.

00:06:47.000 She did it specifically to hide material, and then she deleted the material she wanted hidden.

00:06:50.000 Pretty clear, pretty obvious narrative, that's why she did it. 0.90

00:06:53.000 According to the left, they say, well, how do you know what was in the emails?

00:06:56.000 Maybe it was all innocent.

00:06:57.000 This is like saying, after the O.J.

00:06:59.000 Simpson murders, how do you know that Nicole and Ronald Goldman were stabbed to death with a knife?

00:07:04.000 How do you know?

00:07:04.000 We never found the weapon.

00:07:05.000 We never found the murderer.

00:07:06.000 We never found the knife.

00:07:07.000 Right. 1.00

00:07:08.000 We just have their bodies and their heads cut off. 1.00

00:07:11.000 So I'm gonna go with it was a knife, right? 0.81

00:07:12.000 If they're missing a lot of emails, I'm gonna go with she was deleting emails for a reason.

00:07:17.000 She wasn't doing it just for the funsies of it. 0.96

00:07:19.000 So, Hillary Clinton continues to be deeply corrupt. 1.00

00:07:22.000 It's showing in the polls.

00:07:23.000 Her favorable-unfavorable numbers are sinking again.

00:07:26.000 And this is the whole race. 0.96

00:07:27.000 It's basically, who do Americans hate more, Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton?

00:07:32.000 It is amazing, the favorable-unfavorable numbers.

00:07:34.000 According to the ABC Washington Post poll, Trump's favorability has now improved 7 points among men while slipping 6 points among women.

00:07:42.000 But Hillary's numbers are just egregiously bad. 1.00

00:07:45.000 Hillary's numbers are brutal. 0.99

00:07:47.000 I mean, we're talking about

00:07:48.000 She slipped from I think it was 45 to, she had 45% approval with women, 52% unfavorable. 0.98

00:07:56.000 Now she, rather the opposite, she used to be 54 to 43 positive to negative among women.

00:08:01.000 Now she's 45 to 52.

00:08:02.000 So she slipped.

00:08:04.000 Seven, eight points among women in one month since the conventions. 0.99

00:08:08.000 Everybody hates Hillary Clinton, and they do because everybody knows that she's corrupt and terrible. 1.00

00:08:12.000 And everybody knows she's lying. 0.99

00:08:13.000 Tim Kaine, who's her vice presidential candidate, and the second unluckiest vice presidential candidate in this race, Tim Kaine said that—you want to hear something ridiculous. 0.83

00:08:22.000 Here is Tim Kaine talking about transparency and accountability.

00:08:27.000 Whether you're a Democrat, Republican, or Independent, you've got a right to know about the person who is running to be your President or Commander-in-Chief.

00:08:37.000 You've got a right to know everything you need to know to judge whether a candidate will work for you, will work for the country, or is only in it for himself.

00:08:48.000 Okay, so yes, he is deeply invested in the notion of transparency and revealing all the information.

00:08:53.000 Also, at no point will Hillary ever reveal her medical records.

00:08:57.000 The former Obama doctor was on TV last night stunning the medical world by announcing that Hillary should actually have a neurological exam, given the fact that she fell and bonked her head so badly she had to wear dual-pane glasses. 0.97

00:09:08.000 Well, I think that medical letter was well-written and was very professional, unlike Dr. Bornstein's.

00:09:13.000 It's not enough.

00:09:14.000 For example, she is on Coumadin.

00:09:17.000 I think so.

00:09:38.000 We know what happens to football players who have had concussions, how they begin to lose some of their cognitive ability.

00:09:44.000 I think both of them should release their record.

00:09:48.000 Okay, Aaron Burnett is looking on like, I can't believe this guy's saying this on CNN.

00:09:51.000 He's not allowed to say this on CNN.

00:09:52.000 Somebody cut off his mic.

00:09:54.000 And early this morning, this doctor was found with a bullet hole in him at Fort Marcy Park.

00:09:58.000 But aside from that, everything is going really well.

00:10:02.000 Even the media are beginning to turn on Hillary over her corruption. 1.00

00:10:05.000 A.B.

00:10:06.000 Stoddard, who's a reporter for, she used to be for The Hill, she says that Democrats have to be terrified about what's going to come out of Hillary's emails. 0.98

00:10:14.000 Right.

00:10:15.000 Jonah's right.

00:10:16.000 So many things she said a year ago, but even that day, that Benghazi testimony in the 11 hours last October, she said, I remember that day, she said something that the State Department captured between 90 and 95 percent of her emails, and the State Department had to come out in the next week and say that they didn't know where that number came from, that that wasn't true.

00:10:33.000 She has

00:10:36.000 Obviously brought this on herself.

00:10:39.000 What she probably thought was legalese that would protect her were actually a bunch of lies.

00:10:43.000 They've all been proven wrong.

00:10:45.000 Now it's not just another shoe to drop, it's raining shoes and Democrats are terrified about what's going to be coming out this week.

00:10:51.000 First of all, I have to admit that when she said, it's raining shoes, for some reason, it's raining men popped into my head, which is just sad for me.

00:11:01.000 But in any case, she's not the only one.

00:11:03.000 A.B.

00:11:03.000 Stoddard isn't the only one who's saying that this is a problem.

00:11:05.000 David Axelrod, who doesn't have any really—he doesn't have a lot of love for Hillary Clinton.

00:11:09.000 He's an Obama dude, David Axelrod.

00:11:11.000 He says Hillary's emails were going to be the backdrop of this election.

00:11:14.000 And new chapters keep evolving here.

00:11:17.000 The release of the FBI report and presumably her transcript.

00:11:21.000 Uh, these 15,000 emails that were deleted.

00:11:25.000 This is going to be in the backdrop of this election from now until November.

00:11:30.000 The question is, are there revelations within these emails that are more damning than the ones we've seen already?

00:11:36.000 If the answer is no, then I think it's background music.

00:11:40.000 If the answer is yes, it becomes more of a central issue.

00:11:44.000 It is, I think, first and foremost sad that David Axelrod no longer has his mustache.

00:11:48.000 I know that that makes no difference, but I'm just pointing it out.

00:11:51.000 Even Mika Brzezinski, who is fully on the Donald Trump is a full insane person, we need to have a full psychological workup of him.

00:11:57.000 Even Mika's saying that Hillary's latest email excuses just don't fly. 0.92

00:12:00.000 I think it's all part of the baggage that the Clintons have lugged across the landscape of this country for 30 years.

00:12:07.000 I don't think it's one specific thing.

00:12:08.000 I think it's just an additional thing.

00:12:09.000 But you know what, people?

00:12:10.000 When they get out there in the ether in today's headline, it's 30 emails.

00:12:14.000 Benghazi hidden.

00:12:15.000 That doesn't help.

00:12:17.000 Sorry.

00:12:18.000 30 missing emails about Benghazi?

00:12:20.000 That just doesn't help.

00:12:22.000 It's still mushier and gushier.

00:12:24.000 No, it's not mushy.

00:12:25.000 It's mushier than Trump's soundbite. 1.00

00:12:27.000 People are not that dumb. 0.98

00:12:28.000 I'm just saying what we've been saying for over a year, even further, is that the email thing is big. 0.96

00:12:35.000 It needs to be answered to.

00:12:36.000 It needs to be completely transparent from the get-go.

00:12:39.000 I guess she couldn't push the State Department to move along and get those emails out?

00:12:45.000 Okay, and shockingly, Mika Brzezinski is exactly right. 0.94

00:12:48.000 So everybody understands at this point that Hillary Clinton is a deeply corrupt candidate.

00:12:51.000 She's also, as Donald Trump has said, she is a low-energy candidate. 1.00

00:12:54.000 So while Donald Trump is traveling to Louisiana, Hillary Clinton is sitting back home recovering from whatever it is she suffers from, and Donald Trump is out there campaigning.

00:13:03.000 The polls are starting to tighten a little bit.

00:13:06.000 They're not tightening massively.

00:13:07.000 Wisconsin, there are some polls out today that show that Trump was down three points among likely voters, which is a close result.

00:13:13.000 Trump can lose some of the swing states if he wins Wisconsin.

00:13:17.000 He would also have to win Wisconsin and Iowa.

00:13:19.000 Those are the two swing states where he's closest.

00:13:21.000 New Hampshire is basically lost at this point.

00:13:22.000 Pennsylvania is in uphill battle.

00:13:24.000 But Wisconsin results look a little bit better for Donald Trump.

00:13:27.000 I will mention here that there were some election results last night that prove that the entire Republican base is not Trumpian.

00:13:33.000 I mean, that's important to note.

00:13:34.000 Marco Rubio won his primary last night.

00:13:36.000 John McCain, unfortunately, won his primary last night.

00:13:39.000 But both of those were opposed by Trump.

00:13:41.000 That obviously didn't stop Rubio.

00:13:42.000 It didn't stop McCain either.

00:13:44.000 So, you know, there's still open debate within the Republican Party about how much of an effect Trump has on the Republican Party.

00:13:50.000 But that said, Trump, his newfound campaign, what he's done in the last couple of weeks, has been much, much better.

00:13:55.000 Now, that doesn't ignore the fact he's had absolute, utter chaos on immigration.

00:13:59.000 It doesn't ignore the fact that Donald Trump's

00:14:01.000 edition of Steve Bannon has opened some really ugly doors that we're going to talk about in a little while here on the show.

00:14:06.000 But Trump is making some interesting moves.

00:14:08.000 So today, Donald Trump is headed down to Mexico.

00:14:10.000 He's giving his big illegal immigration speech tonight, rolling out his immigration plan, which I thought he'd rolled out before, but this is the new improved version of the Donald Trump immigration plan sponsored by Jeb Bush.

00:14:21.000 So he's rolling that out this evening.

00:14:23.000 But before he does that, he's taking a quick jaunt to Mexico, where he's meeting with the president of Mexico, a guy named Enrique Peña Nieto.

00:14:30.000 So to make clear what this is about, Enrique Peña Nieto is really unpopular in his own country.

00:14:35.000 He's got like 23% approval ratings.

00:14:38.000 He's seen as co-opted. 0.68

00:14:39.000 He's seen as corrupt.

00:14:40.000 And so he's inviting Trump down.

00:14:42.000 And Trump may be walking into a trap here.

00:14:44.000 Trump may be walking into a bit of a trap here.

00:14:46.000 Because there are only a few possible outcomes to Trump going down to Mexico before this speech.

00:14:51.000 There are the two that I think Trump thinks he's going to get, and then there are the two that actually might happen that could be very damaging for him.

00:14:56.000 Outcome number one.

00:14:57.000 Here, we'll do the two that could help Trump.

00:14:59.000 You know what?

00:14:59.000 Should we make this part of Good Trump, Bad Trump?

00:15:01.000 Yeah, let's do it.

00:15:02.000 Let's make it part of Good Trump, Bad Trump.

00:15:04.000 Sponsored, of course, the theme song, of course, thanks to our good friend Brandon for creating it.

00:15:08.000 It's time for a little bit of Good Trump, Bad Trump.

00:15:10.000 Let's do it.

00:15:12.000 Good Trump, Bad Trump, which one will we get today?

00:15:18.000 And we begin with good Trump.

00:15:19.000 Yes.

00:15:20.000 So Donald Trump headed down to Mexico.

00:15:21.000 So he's going to go down to Mexico and he's going to give taco bowls to everybody.

00:15:26.000 Or at the very least, I was sort of hoping that he would, it would be fun if Trump were as stereotypical as everybody thinks he is.

00:15:32.000 It would be really fun if he just went down there in like a sombrero and a poncho and playing Speedy Gonzales cartoons on his iPod.

00:15:39.000 But I don't think he will do that.

00:15:41.000 Instead, Donald Trump is going to go down, I think he has

00:15:44.000 There are four possible outcomes, two of which are the ones that he wants and two are the ones he doesn't.

00:15:48.000 The two that he wants, he could go down there and he could get some sort of concession from Peña Nieto.

00:15:53.000 He could go down there and Peña Nieto could say, I'll help pay for the wall.

00:15:57.000 Not going to happen, but in Trump's dream that's what happens.

00:15:59.000 He comes back up and he waves that piece of paper and does his speech and he says, look at me, I've negotiated a great deal, the greatest deal you've ever seen.

00:16:08.000 Right?

00:16:08.000 He could do that.

00:16:09.000 That'd be the best outcome for him.

00:16:11.000 Second best outcome for him is he goes there, he has a conversation, and then he comes back and he says, And then it's an explanation for why he's flipping a little bit.

00:16:27.000 It doesn't make sense according to the timeline, but it makes him look as though he's listening to outside sources, it makes him look as though he's willing to negotiate, makes him look more moderate on this issue than he has been heretofore.

00:16:36.000 So those are the two good outcomes that could happen.

00:16:38.000 Here are a couple of bad outcomes that could happen.

00:16:40.000 One is, this could be an absolute trap.

00:16:43.000 Enrique Peña Nieto, because he's unpopular,

00:16:46.000 He could be inviting down someone even more unpopular in Mexico than he is, Donald Trump, just so that he can smack him in public.

00:16:52.000 You could see this happening. 0.98

00:16:53.000 You could see Trump going down to Mexico and Peña Nieto saying in front of the cameras, this guy says that all of my countrymen are rapists and murderers. 0.86

00:17:01.000 This is a guy who says that he doesn't want to do business with Mexico and that we're not their friends.

00:17:05.000 And here he is, you know, coming down here for his own electoral prospects.

00:17:08.000 That'd be really devastating for Trump.

00:17:10.000 I assume that he got some sort of guarantee from Peña Nieto that wouldn't happen, but

00:17:14.000 It still could, which is why there was opposition in Trump-land about that particular possibility, I think, about him going down to Mexico. 0.97

00:17:21.000 The other outcome that could be bad is if Trump goes down there and smacks Peña Nieto, because then it looks like he just went down there to kick the Mexican government right in the crotch. 0.96

00:17:29.000 Like, that's just very Trumpian. 0.96

00:17:31.000 His base would love it, but I'm not sure the American people would be in love with it.

00:17:34.000 So those are the four possible outcomes in all of this.

00:17:37.000 We'll be discussing more of this.

00:17:38.000 We're going to be discussing more good Trump, bad Trump.

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00:19:57.000 So Mike Pence, the vice presidential candidate, he was talking today about why Trump is going down to Mexico.

00:20:02.000 Here's what he had to say.

00:20:04.000 Donald Trump is someone that says, we got an invitation.

00:20:06.000 We got an opportunity.

00:20:08.000 Let's drop what we're doing.

00:20:09.000 He's going to go and sit down.

00:20:13.000 He's going to go and he's going to be active.

00:20:14.000 I want to point out here that the media

00:20:17.000 I don't know.

00:20:38.000 This is that kind of move.

00:20:39.000 Trump is being active on the campaign trail.

00:20:40.000 Hillary is doing what we in the sports world don't like to see, which is she's playing ahead. 0.98

00:20:45.000 She's playing as though she has a safe lead.

00:20:48.000 She's trying to run out the clock. 0.74

00:20:49.000 Most teams that try to run out the clock typically end up losing the game.

00:20:52.000 Hillary seems to be doing that. 0.99

00:20:55.000 Jorge Ramos, who hates Trump and is a very left Mexican-American activist on Univision, he says Trump's in panic mode.

00:21:03.000 I disagree with him, but here's his take.

00:21:05.000 I'm noticing a change, definitely, because we have to remember what Donald Trump said.

00:21:09.000 He said that he was going to deport 11 million in two years.

00:21:13.000 That's exactly what he said.

00:21:14.000 And now they're saying, well, they need baby steps.

00:21:18.000 They don't know exactly what's going to happen.

00:21:20.000 The fact is that they simply cannot do that.

00:21:22.000 We have to wait what Donald Trump is going to be saying tomorrow.

00:21:24.000 But I think Donald Trump right now is in mode when it comes to Latinos.

00:21:29.000 And it doesn't matter what he says tomorrow.

00:21:32.000 He already lost the Latino vote.

00:21:34.000 Okay, and that's his take on it.

00:21:36.000 I think that it's a smart move by Trump. 1.00

00:21:38.000 It could be a really stupid move by Trump. 0.99

00:21:39.000 It could end up really badly, but you gotta take risks. 1.00

00:21:41.000 If you're down in the game, you gotta start throwing the long ball, you gotta start throwing it down the field, and that's what Trump is doing here.

00:21:46.000 Speaking of throwing it down the field, Donald Trump, more good Trump, more good Trump.

00:21:50.000 So here's Donald Trump talking about race yesterday on the campaign trail and going after the Democratic Party.

00:21:56.000 The Republican Party is the party of Abraham Lincoln.

00:22:01.000 Not bad.

00:22:03.000 Not bad.

00:22:09.000 It's also the party of freedom, equality, and opportunity.

00:22:12.000 People have forgotten it so long now.

00:22:16.000 It is the Democratic Party that is the party of slavery, the party of Jim Crow, and the party of opposition. 0.79

00:22:26.000 Of course, every element of that is true.

00:22:28.000 He also obviously watched Dinesh D'Souza's film, and he's summing up Dinesh D'Souza's talking points.

00:22:33.000 Dinesh should get some royalties for this particular speech.

00:22:36.000 It's true, right?

00:22:36.000 Everything he's saying is true.

00:22:37.000 The only problem for Trump on this particular score, right, is true.

00:22:40.000 The Democratic Party was founded in slavery.

00:22:42.000 It was founded to protect slavery. 0.53

00:22:44.000 The Democratic Party protected slavery all through the Civil War.

00:22:47.000 The Democratic Party reinstated Jim Crow. 0.74

00:22:49.000 The Democratic Party basically cut a corrupt deal by which American federal troops were pulled out of the South after the Civil War, allowing the enshrinement of Jim Crow and the rise of the KKK, which was a Democratic Party functional organization.

00:23:01.000 I mean, the 1924 Democratic National Convention was called the Klanbake, as in KKK Klanbake.

00:23:08.000 Because there was an attempt to pass a resolution condemning the Klan, and it was voted down at the 1924 Democratic Party Convention.

00:23:16.000 And obviously, the Democrats continued to back segregation all the way up until the end of segregation and Jim Crow.

00:23:21.000 So what he's saying isn't wrong, and it's also still relevant, given the fact that the left continues to maintain that all of the issues in today's black community, the responsibility for that lies with history. 0.85

00:23:31.000 It lies with slavery and Jim Crow. 0.75

00:23:32.000 Well, if it lies with slavery and Jim Crow, that means it lies with the Democrats.

00:23:35.000 Trump is right about that.

00:23:36.000 The only problem, of course, is that Trump himself, he's made himself vulnerable to charges on this score.

00:23:41.000 Joe Scarborough hits him this way.

00:23:44.000 Until Donald Trump apologizes for his racist comments and gives me a reason to believe that we are still the party of Lincoln, that we are still the party that freed the slaves, that we are still the party that believes all Americans

00:24:02.000 All Americans have the opportunity to rise to the top, not by government handouts, but by their own power and their own genius, with a helping hand from us.

00:24:15.000 Until he proves that he belongs in the party of Reagan and Lincoln, he doesn't get my endorsement, he doesn't get my vote, he doesn't get my support.

00:24:26.000 Who will say that in Washington, D.C.? ?

00:24:29.000 Okay, so I have to say that it is amazing that Joe Scarborough, you know, who was a big Trump advocate, and again, increasingly each and every day looks more and more like Beaker from Muppets, that he feels, that he says that Trump doesn't have

00:24:45.000 I think so.

00:25:05.000 We're good to go.

00:25:20.000 If you have a diverse country with a lot of people of various different races who all believe in Western civilization, that's not something that the alt-right thinks can exist.

00:25:29.000 The only way the alt-right thinks that Western civilization exists is if it's a bunch of white folks who are making that happen, right?

00:25:35.000 Not Jews, not black people, white folks. 0.96

00:25:39.000 So, one of the questions has been, what do you do to separate off the alt-right from Trump, from the conservative movement?

00:25:46.000 Trump himself has gotten in bed with the alt-right, or at least he's flirted with them very heavily during this whole election cycle, which I've criticized ad infinitum, ad nauseam for a lot of my listeners, but there's one real

00:25:59.000 I think most people, let me start again, I think most people on the conservative side of the aisle think the alt-right is gross.

00:26:05.000 And they think that the alt-right's principles are gross and racist and vicious and have no part in conservatism.

00:26:11.000 Because again, they don't resonate with the Constitution, they have nothing to do with the Declaration of Independence, they have to do with ethnic solidarity.

00:26:17.000 Most of the right believes that.

00:26:19.000 But there is one segment of the mainstream right

00:26:21.000 And this is the part that scares me.

00:26:22.000 There's one segment of the mainstream right that is willing to go along with the winking and nodding at the alt-right because they feel like we have to make the political calculation to go along with an immoral, nasty movement in order to defeat Hillary Clinton.

00:26:35.000 Now Trump does it by dog-whistling to them.

00:26:37.000 Breitbart.com does it by jacking up their traffic and calling themselves the home of the alt-right by flirting with the alt-right.

00:26:43.000 But there's a group of people, people who I respect and people who are voting for Trump,

00:26:47.000 But don't necessarily think Trump is the greatest thing in the world, but they're voting for him.

00:26:50.000 They support him, which is fine.

00:26:52.000 Those people are trying to make room for the alt-right inside the tent.

00:26:57.000 Jonah Goldberg has a piece in National Review today.

00:26:58.000 He says there's no room for the alt-right inside the tent.

00:27:00.000 I agree.

00:27:01.000 There's no room for the alt-right inside the tent the same way there's no room for the John Birchers inside the tent in the 1960s.

00:27:06.000 There are certain movements that you just don't want to be a part of or you don't want them to be a part of you.

00:27:12.000 If individuals choose to vote how they choose to vote, that's their problem.

00:27:15.000 But to wink and nod at movements that are really vicious, that's something that should be reserved to the left.

00:27:19.000 And I'm sick of hearing from people on my own side of the aisle that the left embraces all these evil people and evil things, therefore it's okay for us to do it.

00:27:26.000 That's not a good argument.

00:27:28.000 The left does embrace evil people.

00:27:29.000 They embrace racial solidarity, they embrace racism on a regular basis.

00:27:33.000 That doesn't mean it's okay for you to do it.

00:27:35.000 The I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I routine just, it doesn't work on any moral level.

00:27:39.000 So, endemic to this, I think this is an important thing.

00:27:41.000 Hugh Hewitt, who's somebody who I really respect and he's a very smart guy, he had an exchange with Jonah Goldberg about this column today.

00:27:47.000 A really interesting exchange on his radio show.

00:27:50.000 Here's what it sounded like.

00:27:51.000 I'm speaking as a partisan now.

00:27:53.000 As William F. Buckley led the effort to drive the Birchers out of the party, so must genuine conservatives drive out what you and I agree is the core alt-right. 0.96

00:28:04.000 In the process of doing that, I do not want people who are not familiar with how you and I believe it to be understood by the people who invented the term to think that they are being exiled.

00:28:17.000 That is my fear because I believe a lot of people, and I've seen it

00:28:21.000 Everywhere I go, say they are alt-right and they don't know that Jonah Goldberg would then classify them as supremacists.

00:28:29.000 Well, I wouldn't necessarily classify them as supremacists.

00:28:33.000 Um, either, I would classify them as wrong.

00:28:36.000 Yes.

00:28:36.000 And what Goldberg is saying there is there are a lot of people who say they're alt-right but they don't know what the alt-right actually is or what it stands for.

00:28:42.000 They're not Vox Dei alt-righters.

00:28:43.000 They're not Jared Taylor alt-righters.

00:28:45.000 They're just people who think because there's been confusion with the term that alt-right just means you don't like Paul Ryan.

00:28:50.000 And that's the fault of people like Hugh Hewitt who's actually used the term alt-right to mean people who don't like Paul Ryan.

00:28:56.000 I'm not a big Paul Ryan fan.

00:28:57.000 I'm certainly not alt-right as the alt-right will tell you.

00:29:00.000 Right?

00:29:01.000 But this attempt to not throw the baby out with the bathwater, this idea that we have to kind of be kind to the alt-right a little bit so that we don't alienate the people who are associated with the alt-right, this leads to this really weird situation.

00:29:13.000 And you'll see, this is Hugh's defense, sort of, of the association between Trump and the alt-right.

00:29:19.000 Hugh quotes himself in this part of the radio show, he quotes himself from NBC News on Sunday on Chuck Todd's show, and then he talks a little.

00:29:27.000 There is some discussion.

00:29:29.000 I will say this.

00:29:29.000 For every Steve Bannon and Breitbart, there is a David Brock in Media Matters.

00:29:33.000 For every Ann Coulter, there's a Michael Moore.

00:29:36.000 For every single Milo, there's a Mar.

00:29:38.000 And so, Joan, I went on to say, the provocateurs are also entrepreneurs.

00:29:42.000 This is just money being made.

00:29:44.000 Do you agree with my parallelism, and do you agree that their motive is money?

00:29:49.000 So for some of them, the motive is money, and he's right.

00:29:51.000 And for some of them, it is about being a provocateur, like Milo is clearly about being a provocateur, although I don't know what's in his heart with regard to race.

00:29:58.000 All I know is that he pals around with the worst kinds of people on the internet.

00:30:02.000 But none of that really matters in the end.

00:30:04.000 Here's why it doesn't really matter.

00:30:06.000 Here's the final clip that I'll play from Hugh Hewitt and Jonah Goldberg's interview, which I thought was really informative.

00:30:11.000 Hugh's a very talented host, and this exchange I thought was very valuable.

00:30:14.000 Here's Hugh talking with Jonah Goldberg about the alt-right.

00:30:16.000 But now here's the real problem is Paul Ryan's problem, Mitch McConnell's problem and Reince Priebus's problem, which is they have to exile the the alt-right as you and I have agreed to define it, but which I do not believe is generally agreed upon in the media to define it.

00:30:30.000 And in fact, I believe the left will attempt to brand people as alt-right who are not alt-right, because there are some people with a foot in both camps.

00:30:37.000 One of them is Ann Coulter.

00:30:38.000 Another of them is Milo, right?

00:30:40.000 These people live on on that border and they sell on that border.

00:30:44.000 And it makes very hard to patrol that border.

00:30:46.000 We're good.

00:30:47.000 Yeah, well, I find it easy to patrol that border because I want nothing to do with Ann Coulter and I want nothing to do with Milo.

00:30:52.000 I mean, I've known Ann for 20 years.

00:30:54.000 I like Ann personally. 0.95

00:30:55.000 I think the way she's behaved herself has been utterly repugnant and irresponsible. 0.89

00:30:59.000 So this is the distinction, right? 0.89

00:31:01.000 This is the key distinction.

00:31:02.000 So Hugh says, I don't want to alienate Milo.

00:31:04.000 I don't want to alienate Ann Coulter because they've got their foot on the border.

00:31:07.000 So what do we do?

00:31:08.000 So a little bit earlier this morning, I went on Twitter after this interview, and I had an exchange with Hugh Hewitt over this particular interview that he did.

00:31:18.000 With Jonah Goldberg.

00:31:19.000 It was kind of an interesting exchange.

00:31:21.000 I initially asked Hugh Hewitt a very basic question.

00:31:25.000 And the basic question that I asked, I want to get the wording right so I'm searching through my timeline right now to find it.

00:31:32.000 I asked Hugh Hewitt, basically, well basically the concept of the question was, here it is, sorry, my apologies.

00:31:43.000 Question.

00:31:43.000 If we use Jonah Goldberg's definition of the alt-right, which is also my definition of the alt-right, how should conservatives treat those who pander to the alt-right, like Ann Coulter or Milo Yiannopoulos?

00:31:52.000 And Hugh writes back, no one-size-fits-all answer there, Ben.

00:31:55.000 Depends on whether the individual is persuadable or useful as example on air.

00:32:00.000 And so I wrote back.

00:32:02.000 I don't really know what that means, right?

00:32:05.000 I wrote back to him, well, let's start with these.

00:32:09.000 Who are the prominent panderers to the alt-right who are persuadable?

00:32:11.000 Who are the Milo?

00:32:13.000 I was saying to him, if you think Milo and Anne are persuadable to not be alt-right, then say that.

00:32:17.000 Say that they're not alt-right, they're persuadable to not be alt-right, and we should work on converting them back from the alt-right.

00:32:22.000 And I said, so who are the prominent panderers to the alt-right who are persuadable?

00:32:25.000 Because if they're pandering to the alt-right and they're not persuadable, it's my view they should not be considered conservatives anymore.

00:32:30.000 Now, this isn't a blacklist in the sense that there's no government coming in and blacklisting people.

00:32:34.000 I'm not saying they should never write for any website again.

00:32:36.000 All I'm saying is that we should be clear about who these people are, and we should say these people are not representative of the conservative movement.

00:32:42.000 Ann Coulter, right now, flirting with Milo Yiannopoulos, is not representative of the conservative movement.

00:32:46.000 She's representative of something else.

00:32:48.000 And I think that Ann would actually recognize that truth.

00:32:51.000 Milo doesn't even pretend to be conservative.

00:32:53.000 Milo says, you know, I'm a nationalist populist.

00:32:55.000 Conservatism is dead.

00:32:56.000 We're the new—we're the new movement, right?

00:32:58.000 I mean, he openly says it.

00:32:59.000 And here's Hugh trying to hold on to their coattails, saying we can't throw them out of the party.

00:33:02.000 We can't say they're not Republicans.

00:33:04.000 We're—we can't alienate them.

00:33:05.000 So Hugh writes back, posts a list of people who are pandering to the alt-right who are persuadable, and he says, I'll opine if I have an informed guess.

00:33:14.000 And I tweeted back, let's start with these, Breitbart, Milo, and Colter Trump, right?

00:33:17.000 All the people that you mentioned in this particular segment with Jonah Goldberg.

00:33:22.000 And he then said, well, I need a list of 20 people.

00:33:25.000 And at this point, it's clear he's avoiding the question, because he doesn't want to have to deal with the fact that Breitbart pandering to the alt-right makes them unacceptable in terms of conservative mainstream.

00:33:33.000 He doesn't want to accept the fact that Milo and Ann Coulter have been behaving in ways that make them unacceptable in the conservative mainstream.

00:33:39.000 And most of all, he doesn't want to accept the fact that Donald Trump's flirtation with the alt-right makes him a non-conservative guy who should not be acceptable to the conservative mainstream.

00:33:49.000 And this is the problem.

00:33:50.000 In the desire for victory, in the desire to defeat Hillary Clinton, yes, coalitional politics are necessary.

00:33:57.000 Yes, coalitional politics are part of the game.

00:34:00.000 But that doesn't mean you have to legitimize.

00:34:02.000 It doesn't mean that you have to give credence to the ideological movement known as the alt-right or its spokespeople and its sponsors just because you want to win.

00:34:10.000 That, in fact, puts you in some pretty bad company pretty quickly.

00:34:13.000 So what I think he was trying to do here, and I don't like it.

00:34:16.000 What he was trying to do here, and I think he would probably deny he was trying to do this, but in effect, this is what happens.

00:34:20.000 Maybe he's not trying to do it.

00:34:21.000 This is what the effect of it.

00:34:22.000 The effect is, he says, let's excise the alt-right.

00:34:24.000 Also, we don't know how to define the alt-right, so we can't excise anybody.

00:34:28.000 Because I might throw out some good people with some bad people.

00:34:31.000 Here's my view.

00:34:32.000 We know exactly who the basic baseline alt-righters are.

00:34:36.000 We know who the prominent alt-right flirters are, the panderers.

00:34:39.000 And saying to them, you don't get to be part of our movement.

00:34:41.000 You can vote however you want.

00:34:42.000 You can speak with whomever you want.

00:34:43.000 You can be on whatever radio show and TV show you want to be on.

00:34:46.000 You can write for whomever you want.

00:34:48.000 That's your prerogative.

00:34:49.000 It's a free country.

00:34:50.000 But you are not aligned with us.

00:34:52.000 There's us and then there's you.

00:34:53.000 Saying that to people who associate with the alt-right is a moral necessity.

00:34:58.000 I think there are a lot of people who are willing to forego the moral necessity out of political convenience, and that I don't like at all.

00:35:04.000 Speaking of some of those people, there's been this big kind of blow-up because Sean Hannity, who's now getting very worried that Donald Trump is going to lose, he spent the entire primary season saying that Trump was the only one who could win, the polls don't look particularly good for Trump, and so Sean Hannity lost it on his radio show again.

00:35:20.000 This is like the second or third time he's done this particular routine.

00:35:23.000 So here's what I say to all of you never-Trumpers.

00:35:25.000 Glenn Beck, I hope you're listening.

00:35:27.000 You own Hillary Clinton's Supreme Court appointments.

00:35:31.000 You own it!

00:35:33.000 You are doing everything you can do to cast doubt in people's minds.

00:35:37.000 Trump gave us a list.

00:35:40.000 You own her Supreme Court nominees.

00:35:43.000 You own the unvetted refugees and the 550% increase she will bring into this country. 1.00

00:35:49.000 You own the jobs that illegal immigrants will take from the 95 million Americans out of the labor force. 1.00

00:35:55.000 You own Obamacare, which is a disaster for this country.

00:36:00.000 You own education because she's beholden to the NEA. 0.98

00:36:05.000 And if we don't improve the lives of 95 million Americans out of the labor force, I blame you for that too.

00:36:12.000 He's gonna blame everybody, okay.

00:36:13.000 Let me stop it there.

00:36:14.000 So quick point number one.

00:36:15.000 Quick point number one.

00:36:17.000 I remember when Mitt Romney ran and lost.

00:36:19.000 Do you remember people blaming the people who stayed home?

00:36:21.000 I don't remember that.

00:36:23.000 I don't.

00:36:23.000 I was a Romney voter and a Romney supporter.

00:36:25.000 I didn't support him in the primaries.

00:36:26.000 I supported him in the general.

00:36:28.000 I don't remember at any point saying, the people who stayed home for Mitt Romney, those are the people who are responsible for Barack Obama.

00:36:34.000 I said, Mitt Romney's the candidate.

00:36:35.000 He's responsible.

00:36:36.000 He's responsible.

00:36:37.000 And then there's something else.

00:36:39.000 And here it is, okay?

00:36:40.000 If you are somebody who ardently supported Donald Trump during the primaries, I don't just mean that you thought that he was the best of the bad candidates, I mean you ardently supported him.

00:36:46.000 You were somebody who was lying to people by saying that he was conservative, slandering other candidates by propping up Donald Trump.

00:36:53.000 If you are somebody who is using your airtime in order to push Donald Trump in the primaries over all the other candidates and then denying you were doing it,

00:36:59.000 If you were somebody who said he was gonna be the strongest candidate, and now he's losing, and now you look around, it turns out he's a bad candidate, he's not conservative, and he's losing, and he's losing.

00:37:07.000 They've actually invented a device just for you to help you determine who is responsible for Donald Trump losing and Hillary Clinton becoming president.

00:37:15.000 You know, the people who pressed Donald Trump on us in the primaries.

00:37:18.000 They've actually invented a device, and I've actually, somebody's given me one of these devices.

00:37:22.000 It's a revolutionary device.

00:37:24.000 Somebody's actually given me this device here today, and it will help you determine

00:37:28.000 Who is responsible for Hillary Clinton and all the evil she's going to do as president if you supported Donald Trump ardently during the primaries, turned down all the other decent candidates who could have won, and instead we ended up with Trump? 0.99

00:37:38.000 So here's that device.

00:37:39.000 You see the device?

00:37:43.000 You noticing the device?

00:37:44.000 Yes.

00:37:45.000 And it actually works two ways.

00:37:46.000 It works that you hold it about seven inches from your face, right, just facing you.

00:37:50.000 And then it tells you exactly, exactly who's responsible if you're one of these people.

00:37:53.000 It works both horizontally as well as vertically.

00:37:56.000 It's an amazing device.

00:37:57.000 And you can get it for like 99 cents at Amazon.com.

00:38:00.000 And I highly recommend that you take it and you look at it and you take a deep stare into it. 0.93

00:38:04.000 And then maybe you'll finally determine who was responsible for this crappy candidate. 0.97

00:38:09.000 You don't get to blame all the people who said that he was going to be a crappy candidate for him being a crappy candidate. 0.92

00:38:14.000 And as far as the notion that in order to stop Hillary Clinton, I have to become a full-scale Chris Christie shinebox shill for Donald Trump, I'm not going to do it.

00:38:22.000 I'm not going to do it.

00:38:23.000 As I've said before and I'll say it again and I'll keep saying it until people get it, I'm going to tell you the truth about both candidates.

00:38:28.000 You're big boys and big girls.

00:38:29.000 You can make your own decision.

00:38:30.000 If you choose to vote for Trump, good for you.

00:38:32.000 That's your prerogative.

00:38:33.000 If you choose to stay home,

00:38:35.000 I hear you.

00:38:36.000 And if you choose to vote for Hillary Clinton, I don't know what you're thinking, but the fact is that Sean Hannity dumping this all on the people who didn't want Trump in the first place, and the people who recognize that conservative thought leaders like Hannity, conservative thought leaders in the movement like Laura Ingraham, that these people have perverted the notion of conservatism to fit Donald Trump, and then told all of their listeners that this magical, mythical creature, this conservative creature who doesn't exist, that they like to call Donald Trump in their own heads,

00:39:05.000 They say the people who don't support that, they're the traitors?

00:39:08.000 No, you don't get to play this game.

00:39:10.000 You don't get to play this game.

00:39:11.000 Mark Levin basically said the same thing on his radio show yesterday.

00:39:15.000 Where people cherry-pick polls, and they throw them up on their websites, and they cherry-pick polls, and they go on and on behind the microphones, and they cherry-pick polls.

00:39:23.000 If only they're never Trumpers!

00:39:24.000 If only Jonah Goldberg!

00:39:27.000 And Bill Kristol!

00:39:30.000 And Glenn Beck!

00:39:32.000 And this one and that one, if only they'd get behind Trump, then we'd be winning!

00:39:36.000 We'd win big time!

00:39:38.000 Oh, yes!

00:39:39.000 No, we wouldn't.

00:39:42.000 And that's exactly right.

00:39:43.000 Of course not.

00:39:44.000 Of course not.

00:39:45.000 But it's more convenient to blame everybody else than to recognize your own fault in the matter, than to recognize your own fault in the matter.

00:39:51.000 Here's what I will accept.

00:39:52.000 Here's the responsibility I will accept.

00:39:54.000 If we lose by one vote, if Donald Trump loses by one vote in California, okay, then it's my fault.

00:40:01.000 Okay, anything else, it's Donald Trump's fault because he's the candidate.

00:40:05.000 He's the one whose job it is to win people over.

00:40:08.000 And even if he loses by one vote in California and it's me, it's sort of my fault and it's still sort of Trump's fault since he's the candidate and it's his job.

00:40:15.000 And it's also the fault of the people who lied to push him through and lie now and are already seeking to cast dispersions on the people who refuse to go along with the lies about Donald Trump.

00:40:25.000 Okay, again, I spent the first half of the show talking about how Donald Trump is doing better.

00:40:29.000 I tell the truth about Donald Trump.

00:40:30.000 When he does badly, he does badly.

00:40:32.000 We don't have a segment on this show that's just called Bad Trump.

00:40:34.000 We have Good Trump, Bad Trump, right?

00:40:36.000 And some days, like today, there's a lot of Good Trump.

00:40:38.000 And some days, like yesterday, there's a lot of Bad Trump.

00:40:40.000 But that's just the way it goes.

00:40:41.000 And I'm not gonna sell my immortal soul or my political career or my honesty to Donald Trump just because people are gonna blame me for quote-unquote Hillary Clinton's foibles over the next four years.

00:40:53.000 That's your fault, gang.

00:40:54.000 If you bought this, you bought it, you broke the story.

00:40:57.000 You break it, you bought it.

00:40:59.000 Okay, you wanted to tear down the Republican Party, and this is the result.

00:41:02.000 Okay.

00:41:02.000 Time for some things I like, then some things I hate, and then some quick Bible talk.

00:41:05.000 So, things I like.

00:41:07.000 We've turned this into Gene Wilder week.

00:41:08.000 So, the best Gene Wilder movie, of course, is Blazing Saddles.

00:41:13.000 And Gene Wilder is just great.

00:41:14.000 He's so charming on screen.

00:41:15.000 So, he plays the Waco kid.

00:41:18.000 Alright, boys!

00:41:18.000 On the count of three!

00:41:19.000 I wouldn't do that if I were you.

00:41:21.000 Don't pay no attention to that, Alky.

00:41:23.000 He can't even hold a gun, much less shoot it. 0.83

00:41:45.000 Like I said, on the count of three.

00:41:49.000 One.

00:41:51.000 Two.

00:41:58.000 Three! 1.00

00:42:05.000 Well, don't just sit there looking stupid, grasping your hands in pain. 1.00

00:42:11.000 How about a little applause for the Waco kid? 1.00

00:42:17.000 There are a couple of other scenes with Gene Wilder doing the same sort of thing.

00:42:20.000 There's a great scene where he's sitting with Cleavon Little when Cleavon Little first meets him.

00:42:23.000 And Cleavon Little, he says to Cleavon Little, I'm so fast with a gun, and my hands are so fast.

00:42:29.000 I have the fastest hands in the West.

00:42:30.000 My hands are so fast, they're playing chess.

00:42:32.000 You take your hands and put them on either side of a pawn and go like that and try and catch the pawn.

00:42:36.000 And of course, Cleavon Little goes like that.

00:42:38.000 And you see him catch the pawn, right?

00:42:40.000 And then he looks in, and the pawn's gone because Gene Wilder's taken it.

00:42:43.000 It's a great movie.

00:42:44.000 It's a really, really funny movie.

00:42:45.000 And it's even funnier now, actually, than when it was done because of the politically correct left that's made it unacceptable to watch it.

00:42:50.000 OK, other things that I like.

00:42:52.000 Some people on staff insisted I put this in the things I like.

00:42:55.000 So somebody has decided it was necessary to make an anime Ben Shapiro meme.

00:43:00.000 So here's what it looked like.

00:43:02.000 And I don't understand what any of this is, but someone will have to explain it to me later.

00:43:07.000 Zankoku na tenshi no you ni Shounen yo shinwa ni naru And it says E-venge line, but I don't know what that means.

00:43:27.000 And a lot of Japanese text.

00:43:29.000 Okay, so...

00:43:41.000 All I can say is some people have too much time on their hands, or I paid our editors to put that together, one of the two.

00:43:46.000 But no, this is actually just random people online put this stuff together, and I do get a kick out of it, so feel free to keep doing it.

00:43:52.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:43:56.000 So, let's wait for it for a second.

00:44:01.000 Okay, fine.

00:44:02.000 Things I hate.

00:44:03.000 And we played the liner.

00:44:04.000 Yay.

00:44:04.000 Okay, now we're all happy.

00:44:05.000 Fine, Jonathan.

00:44:06.000 Fine.

00:44:07.000 Okay, so we'll start off with John Legend.

00:44:10.000 So John Legend, let it be known, is the guy who produced that masterwork of cinematography and genius that would be known as South Side With You.

00:44:19.000 Also known as the Obama first date movie that no one has ever seen or will ever see.

00:44:22.000 He produced that.

00:44:23.000 He's now come out and he says the national anthem is weak.

00:44:25.000 He doesn't like the national anthem.

00:44:27.000 He tweeted out, for those defending the current anthem, do you really truly love that song?

00:44:31.000 I don't, and I'm very good at singing it.

00:44:33.000 Like, one of the best.

00:44:33.000 First of all, he sounds like Trump there.

00:44:36.000 My vote is for America the Beautiful.

00:44:38.000 Star Spangled Banner is a weak song anyway, and then you read this, and then it's a link talking about how the Star Spangled Banner is racist.

00:44:44.000 So, let's talk about the Star Spangled Banner and whether it is racist or not.

00:44:48.000 First of all, it is true that the original third stanza of the Star Spangled Banner contains a reference to slavery.

00:44:54.000 So we only know the first stanza, that's the one that everybody knows and sings at the ballgame, but there was a stanza in which it talked about slavery at one point inside the Star Spangled Banner.

00:45:04.000 There are people who say that this celebrates the murder of African Americans.

00:45:09.000 Frederick Douglass

00:45:11.000 We're good to go.

00:45:34.000 I have to say that when it comes to the musical merits of the song, I'm with John Legend.

00:45:39.000 I really don't think it's a very good song musically.

00:45:42.000 In the list of great musicals, I'm not talking about the themes of the songs, I'm not talking about the character of the countries, but if you talk about just musically great national anthems,

00:45:52.000 The Marseillaise is a great National Anthem.

00:45:54.000 Actually, the Soviet National Anthem is a very stirring, musical National Anthem.

00:45:59.000 The Canadian National Anthem is great.

00:46:00.000 The United States National Anthem, it was an old British drinking song.

00:46:03.000 That's where the tune comes from.

00:46:04.000 But the bottom line is, the National Anthem doesn't represent slavery.

00:46:07.000 The National Anthem is the flag.

00:46:08.000 It was the song that was being sung by men who were going off to war to die in defense of liberty in an attempt to destroy slavery.

00:46:15.000 And as Jarrett writes at Daily Signal, it's clear Frederick Douglass knew that, and people generally get this.

00:46:23.000 They get that the national anthem is not a slave theme, it's a freedom theme, and just because the guy who wrote it was a slave owner doesn't mean that the character of the song doesn't mean what it means now or what it's meant for the last 170 odd years.

00:46:36.000 Okay, other things that I don't like today.

00:46:39.000 Stephen Colbert, who I never like, he's on late night TV and he's making fun of Sarah Palin.

00:46:44.000 Sarah Palin, there's a lot of criticism of Sarah Palin that is entirely merited.

00:46:48.000 But there's an absolute double standard when it comes to the media treatment of Sarah Palin. 1.00

00:46:52.000 So here's Stephen Colbert going after Sarah Palin.

00:46:54.000 Anyway, uh, she is injured and I'd like to wish Sarah Palin a speedy recovery.

00:46:59.000 And I'd like to do it in a language she'll understand.

00:47:02.000 So first...

00:47:07.000 Governor Palin, hope you rest up there.

00:47:09.000 Heck, what with the rock runnin' and the stone skippin' and the boulder bingo.

00:47:12.000 Remember, my middle name is Tyrone, with the media cover up at the danger zone and everybody's cuttin' foot loose.

00:47:18.000 Loosey-goosey, good for the gander.

00:47:20.000 Good for the planner of the down-dog wedding.

00:47:22.000 Oh, the cookies are ready.

00:47:23.000 Hey, track, trig, trig, track, break your mama's back. 1.00

00:47:25.000 Why?

00:47:26.000 Because our veterans drill, baby, drill.

00:47:28.000 Try our mozzarella sticks.

00:47:29.000 Ask me about free shipping.

00:47:31.000 God bless it.

00:47:31.000 Just leave us alone, voices.

00:47:35.000 So he actually starts that off for people who can't see by taking a fake rock and hitting himself in the head with it, because that's the language that she understands. 0.75

00:47:41.000 And then he goes into that long, ridiculous sort of stream of consciousness gobbledygook.

00:47:49.000 The idea here, of course, is that Sarah Palin speaks in funny syntax. 0.99

00:47:53.000 Sarah Palin's syntax is not the greatest.

00:47:56.000 I mean, if you tried to do a tree diagram of her sentence structure, it would look kind of complicated.

00:48:05.000 You never see him do this with anybody on the left, ever.

00:48:07.000 There are people on the left who speak significantly worse than Sarah Palin does, and Stephen Colbert never has a word to say about it.

00:48:13.000 I also don't know why this is funny.

00:48:14.000 I mean, I'm watching it, and there's some lefty humor that's funny.

00:48:17.000 Conan O'Brien is a lefty who's funny.

00:48:19.000 I don't know what happened to Stephen Colbert.

00:48:20.000 It's like he fell off the unfunny tree and hit every branch on the way down.

00:48:24.000 It's really bad stuff.

00:48:26.000 I don't know whose writers are, but they ought to be fired, and he ought to be fired.

00:48:28.000 He's done a terrible job with the late show.

00:48:32.000 Okay.

00:48:32.000 Finally, time for a little bit of biblical commentary.

00:48:35.000 It is a Wednesday.

00:48:36.000 As I explain every week here at this time, Jewish communities all over the world read a different section of the Torah, of the five books of Moses.

00:48:44.000 And that means that by the end of the year, we read a different section of the Torah every week.

00:48:48.000 And so by the end of the year, we've read the entire five books of Moses.

00:48:50.000 We've read the entire Torah.

00:48:51.000 So this week's portion is a portion called A. It comes from Deuteronomy.

00:48:55.000 And particularly I want to focus on Deuteronomy 15, 7-11.

00:48:58.000 So here it is.

00:48:58.000 It says,

00:49:15.000 Beware lest there be in your heart an unfaithful thought, saying, the seventh year, the year of release has approached.

00:49:19.000 In Jewish theology, on the seventh year, there is something that was designed to basically revert all loans to zero.

00:49:28.000 You will begrudge your needy brother and not give him, and he will cry out to the Lord against you, and it will be a sin against you.

00:49:33.000 You shall surely give him, and your heart shall not be grieved when you give him.

00:49:36.000 For because of this thing, the Lord your God will bless you in all of your work and all of your endeavors.

00:49:40.000 And then this is the part that's really interesting.

00:49:42.000 It says, for there will never cease to be needy within the land.

00:49:45.000 A couple things to point out here.

00:49:52.000 One, nowhere in here does it say that your ruling government shall take the charity from you and redistribute it.

00:49:58.000 In fact, nowhere in here does it even discuss charity.

00:50:01.000 What it's talking about is loans.

00:50:03.000 Loans that are designed to be paid back.

00:50:05.000 The idea is that when you are trying to help somebody out with money,

00:50:10.000 In order to hold them to a certain standard of being a human being, they have to understand that they're not getting off scot-free, that they have to give something of themselves in return for your money.

00:50:22.000 And what they're giving of themselves is their honor.

00:50:25.000 This is how people think in terms of lending, in terms of loans.

00:50:27.000 Have you ever seen the movie Cinderella Man?

00:50:29.000 There's a great scene in Cinderella Man where Russell Crowe is playing Jim Braddock.

00:50:33.000 He goes down to the welfare office, takes some welfare.

00:50:35.000 He becomes big, right?

00:50:36.000 He's able to become a famous boxer.

00:50:38.000 And he goes and he takes the money back to the welfare office and gives the money back to the welfare office.

00:50:42.000 And it's seen as sort of a restoration of his honor, a restoration of his dignity.

00:50:46.000 Taking money from other people should not be and is not a dignified act.

00:50:50.000 It's a very difficult act spiritually for people.

00:50:52.000 And it should be a spiritual act that's difficult for people.

00:50:55.000 And that's why God talks about you need to lend to your friends, right?

00:50:58.000 You give it to them as a loan.

00:50:59.000 Now maybe you lose the money.

00:51:00.000 Maybe the money's gone.

00:51:01.000 Maybe you've written it off in your own head.

00:51:02.000 But the bottom line is that the person should know that they are expected not to take the money and blow it.

00:51:07.000 But to use the money for its design purpose and then to build themselves up to the point where they can pay you back, which will allow them to regain their dignity and their honor so that they're no longer in your debt.

00:51:16.000 That's point number one here.

00:51:17.000 Point number two, and this is the one that I think is really interesting, is that the Bible sees fit, God sees fit to say, there will never cease to be needy within the land.

00:51:26.000 That right there is an absolute, it's an absolute devastation of the Marxist position.

00:51:31.000 The Marxist position on life is that there will, there need not be needy in the land.

00:51:35.000 That communism should alleviate all poverty.

00:51:37.000 And that if we alleviated all poverty, everything would be great.

00:51:39.000 Everything would be all better.

00:51:40.000 If we just got rid of all the poverty, we took all the rich people's money and gave it to all the poor people, and we all live together as one, right, in the John Lennon Imagine concept, everything would be good.

00:51:49.000 God says that's not the way the world works.

00:51:51.000 Even in communist countries, there are poor.

00:51:53.000 In fact, everyone's poor in a communist country.

00:51:54.000 Check out Venezuela, which is working out just great.

00:51:56.000 I have a friend I just talked to, just got back from Venezuela, watched a guy got shot ten feet in front of him, and actually went on a dog hunt with some of the starving people of Venezuela.

00:52:06.000 They literally go around Caracas, Venezuela, hunting dogs to eat.

00:52:10.000 That's what redistributionism and communism brings about in its most extreme fashion.

00:52:14.000 But God says, there's never going to cease to be needy.

00:52:16.000 There will always be people who need money.

00:52:18.000 There will always be poor people.

00:52:20.000 Therefore, it's imperative that you open up your hand to that person.

00:52:25.000 So, two questions.

00:52:26.000 One is, why God designed it this way?

00:52:28.000 Why did God design it so that there would always be poor people?

00:52:30.000 Why didn't he make it so that everybody would be rich?

00:52:32.000 And the answer is twofold.

00:52:33.000 One is, that when it comes to personal responsibility, and this is just the way that God designed the system, the more personally responsible you are, the less chance you are going to be one of those needy.

00:52:43.000 And second of all, God gives you free will.

00:52:46.000 God gives you free will.

00:52:48.000 And that free will has consequences.

00:52:50.000 And so the idea that God created the needy out there, that is a spur to you to be more responsible.

00:52:58.000 It's also a spur to you to be kinder and recognize that your money is not your own.

00:53:01.000 Right?

00:53:02.000 To recognize that there will always be needy.

00:53:04.000 You're not one of them, but that's the way God designed the system.

00:53:07.000 And so you really can't take credit for your own wealth to a certain extent.

00:53:10.000 You have to understand that the entire universe is God's, and therefore you have a responsibility to those poor people.

00:53:17.000 The second question that arises from, will there never cease to be needy within the land, is not why God made it that way, but why can't we fix that?

00:53:27.000 And the answer is because it is beyond the power of human beings to fix cosmic injustice.

00:53:32.000 This is something Thomas Sowell talks about and something the left doesn't understand.

00:53:36.000 Life is not fair.

00:53:37.000 Lots of things happen that are not fair.

00:53:39.000 You know, I have a little girl who's two and a half years old, and she's been very sick before.

00:53:44.000 That's not fair.

00:53:45.000 It's not.

00:53:46.000 We all experience tragedies in our life that are not fair.

00:53:49.000 Things where you look at it, children suffering is the easiest one, but you see it all over the place.

00:53:52.000 People who are good having bad things happen to them.

00:53:54.000 People who are bad having good things happen to them.

00:53:56.000 Life isn't fair.

00:53:58.000 It's not the job of human beings to correct cosmic injustices.

00:54:03.000 It's the responsibility of human beings to correct human exploitation.

00:54:08.000 If you do something wrong, or you see someone else doing something wrong, that you can correct.

00:54:12.000 But the idea that you're going to be able to fix every problem in the universe, you are not God.

00:54:15.000 Marxism, the left, they substitute human beings collectively for God as a whole, and the end result is more needy people, not less needy people, not fewer needy people.

00:54:24.000 So God is reminding you here, okay, there will always be needy within the land.

00:54:27.000 That doesn't absolve you of your responsibility, right?

00:54:29.000 You still have to give.

00:54:30.000 That doesn't absolve you of your responsibility to give and give loans and try and help people out, but it is a recognition that your job in doing that is to fulfill your responsibility as a human being, not to fix the cosmic injustices that God set into the groundwork of the universe.

00:54:45.000 Well, we'll be back tomorrow.

00:54:46.000 Tomorrow is, of course, the vaunted mailbag, and we'll find out what happened in Mexico, because President Trump is going down to Mexico, and I assume that things will get spicy.

00:54:58.000 So we will talk about that.

00:54:59.000 Lots happening.

00:55:00.000 And we'll be back tomorrow.

00:55:00.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:55:01.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - August 31, 2016

Ep. 175 - Trump Goes To Mexico! Taco Bowls For Everybody!

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