The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 181 - Hillary Won't Stop Losing Until She Stops Being Hillary

00:00:00.000 This election cycle has been cruel to those in the prediction business.

00:00:03.000 The race is simply too volatile, the candidates are too unpredictable, the external circumstances are too bizarre.

00:00:09.000 WikiLeaks?

00:00:10.000 Collapsing at the 9-11 memorial?

00:00:11.000 This stuff would be rejected as straining the bounds of credulity by any decent fiction editor.

00:00:16.000 Which means it's difficult not to fall into the trap of believing that the immediate is the permanent.

00:00:21.000 So six weeks ago, conventional wisdom, and this was my opinion too, was Donald Trump was absolutely going to get crushed.

00:00:26.000 After all, he had demonstrated no capacity to control himself.

00:00:28.000 He'd appointed the alt-right pandering new head of Breitbart to his campaign.

00:00:33.000 He was trailing by double digits in a bevy of swing states.

00:00:35.000 Then WikiLeaks started dumping material, and Hillary continued to flail over her emails, and then she went completely absent from the campaign trail, and then she called half of Trump's supporters deplorables, and then she died on camera. 0.99

00:00:46.000 And Trump, meanwhile, began using a teleprompter and somebody changed his Twitter password and they duct taped his mouth shut at headquarters and everything looked better.

00:00:54.000 Suddenly Trump's got all the momentum and he's got a bunch of positive polls to boot.

00:00:57.000 We'll tell you about those in a little while.

00:00:59.000 But while Trump recovered from his worst showing a few weeks back,

00:01:02.000 There's a reason Hillary Clinton might not recover. 1.00

00:01:05.000 She actually has to stop being Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:01:07.000 So Trump had to stop being Trump in order to gain in the polls.

00:01:09.000 Hillary has to stop being Hillary in order to gain in the polls. 1.00

00:01:12.000 But it was easier for Trump to stop being Trump. 0.95

00:01:14.000 That's because Trump was defined in the public mind as a borderline nutjob, a crazy guy willing to say or do anything, a wild man. 0.97

00:01:22.000 To stop being Trump merely required him to start reading from a script. 0.95

00:01:25.000 So, like Shia LaBeouf, he got on message during the filming and saved his actual cannibalism for the off hours.

00:01:30.000 For Hillary, the problem runs deeper. 1.00

00:01:32.000 People think she's corrupt and dishonest. 1.00

00:01:34.000 Not crazy. 1.00

00:01:34.000 Corrupt and dishonest. 1.00

00:01:36.000 That's mainly because she's corrupt and dishonest. 1.00

00:01:38.000 To stop being Hillary, she has to stop being corrupt and dishonest. 1.00

00:01:41.000 It's easier to feign sobriety and decency than it is to feign truthfulness. 0.92

00:01:45.000 Even when Hillary tells the truth these days, it still sounds like she's lying, and there's no way for her to escape herself.

00:01:51.000 This is the cruel reality of politics.

00:01:53.000 Political standards operate exactly like personal standards.

00:01:56.000 If you have a family member who's an alcoholic, homeless person, and if he drives out and goes to a halfway house, he's a success now to you.

00:02:02.000 He's had a great week.

00:02:03.000 If you have another relative who's a vice president at a bank, makes a million bucks a year, and he blows 15 grand in Vegas, he's a giant failure that week.

00:02:10.000 Objectively, the alcoholic ranks lower on the humans you'd trust with your children scale than the VP at Chase Manhattan, probably.

00:02:16.000 But you're holding them to different standards, because this is what we all do.

00:02:19.000 The same thing is true for Trump.

00:02:20.000 If he acts like a rational human, he's won.

00:02:22.000 But Hillary has to overcome her serious trust issues. 0.92

00:02:25.000 And as Ted Cruz learned, it's really, really hard to shake the untrustworthy label once somebody has applied it, even if you're not actually untrustworthy.

00:02:33.000 Which means that Hillary has a serious, lasting problem here. 1.00

00:02:36.000 She can't just stop being Hillary. 0.99

00:02:38.000 Trump could stop being Trump long enough, maybe, to make it to the White House.

00:02:43.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:02:44.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:02:49.000 Okay, so first of all, we have a lot to get to today, like tons to get to today.

00:02:52.000 We'll get to the mailbag later on in the show.

00:02:54.000 We have an epic Stuff I Hate segment coming up, and we're going to talk about everything from Hillary's health records to Newt Gingrich saying some pretty ridiculous things on national TV.

00:03:03.000 We'll get to all of that in just a moment, but first, we have to say hello

00:03:07.000 Let's do it!

00:03:26.000 I think so.

00:03:47.000 Literally every morning.

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00:03:58.000 This literally happens every single day.

00:04:00.000 I've got a Hillary problem here. 1.00

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00:04:30.000 Okay, so lots to get to today.

00:04:32.000 So I want to start off with continuing questions about Hillary's health.

00:04:36.000 So Hillary finally releases a letter from her physician.

00:04:39.000 By the way, Harambee has also released a letter from his physician, says that Harambee had a head cold and got a shot.

00:04:45.000 But in any case, Hillary has released a letter now, and this letter is from her doctor, Lisa Bardach, who's the diplomat of the American Board of Internal Medicine and the chair of internal medicine at Caramount Medical, and they basically say she's fine.

00:04:57.000 That's what it boils down to.

00:05:15.000 What the letter says is that she has recurrent blood testing for Coumadin dosing and adjustments.

00:05:18.000 That's stuff that's blood thinner, basically, to prevent blood clots, because remember, she had the blood clot in her brain a little while ago.

00:05:24.000 She says her blood levels have been relatively stable, which is a little vague.

00:05:27.000 She's also had several allergy flares over the past year, which has been a typical pattern most of her life.

00:05:32.000 In consultation with her allergist, she responded well to her medication adjustments.

00:05:36.000 They say that in January, she developed sinusitis and an ear infection.

00:05:39.000 She was treated with antibiotics and steroids.

00:05:41.000 She had to be given a myringotomy tube placed in her left ear in January 2016.

00:05:48.000 No big deal.

00:05:49.000 They say no abnormalities.

00:05:51.000 And then they say that on September 2nd, they diagnosed her with pneumonia, but it was a low-grade pneumonia.

00:05:57.000 They called it a mild, non-contagious bacterial pneumonia.

00:06:01.000 And then she became overheated and dehydrated and she felt dizzy and she fell over.

00:06:04.000 That's the story from Hillary's physician.

00:06:06.000 Now, there are two questions here.

00:06:08.000 One is, do you believe this?

00:06:10.000 Do you believe this?

00:06:10.000 And that's an open question.

00:06:12.000 You can believe it, you cannot believe it.

00:06:13.000 I tend to believe it just because I don't think doctors, you know, my wife is a doctor.

00:06:16.000 I don't think doctors make a habit of lying about their patient's medical conditions publicly.

00:06:20.000 Like, the doctor looks pretty bad if two weeks from now Hillary slumps over because it turns out that she had 1.00

00:06:25.000 The Black Plague, and she's infected half the population of the United States before Randall Flagg shows up.

00:06:31.000 Like, I just don't think that that's how this is gonna work.

00:06:33.000 So, I tend to believe what's in here, which means, and this is the part about Hillary that's so incredible, and it's why she has a serious problem in this election.

00:06:40.000 It means that Hillary actually was not lying, right?

00:06:43.000 When Hillary said it was allergies and she was coughing her lungs up, the doctor says that was basically right. 0.93

00:06:48.000 When she says she had pneumonia, yeah, she didn't reveal that on Friday, but

00:06:52.000 She did have pneumonia, so she wasn't fibbing about that when she said it was overheat and dehydration.

00:06:56.000 Her doctor says that was true, too.

00:06:57.000 So now it's on the doctor.

00:06:58.000 It's not just Hillary's credibility.

00:07:00.000 It's the doctor's credibility.

00:07:01.000 But even when Hillary tells the truth now, it sounds like she's lying because she's constantly covering up for things, constantly acting as though nothing bad is happening, constantly acting as though she's totally fine all the time.

00:07:13.000 And this creates a massive opening for Donald Trump.

00:07:15.000 So CNN's Sanjay Gupta, he said, you know, Hillary released this health document.

00:07:19.000 This is not technically a release of medical records.

00:07:21.000 But again, this is certainly not a release of medical records by any means.

00:07:27.000 This is very similar in some ways to what we got July of last year.

00:07:31.000 There may be more coming.

00:07:33.000 It's a little bit unclear, but those are sort of the highlights, Jake.

00:07:36.000 And so he says, and it's true, it's not full medical records.

00:07:39.000 So Donald Trump does something smart.

00:07:40.000 Donald Trump goes on Dr. Oz's show and he releases his records on Dr. Oz.

00:07:45.000 So there was a lot of confusion yesterday.

00:07:46.000 He said he wasn't going to release his records on Dr. Oz.

00:07:49.000 At first he had said he was going to hand the records over to Dr. Oz and then Dr. Oz would reveal them to him, Maury Povich style, and presumably some snaggletoothed woman would walk out of the back because it was a paternity test too.

00:07:59.000 But instead, what ends up happening is what you see here.

00:08:01.000 If your health is as strong as it seems from your review of systems, why not share your medical records?

00:08:07.000 Why not?

00:08:07.000 Well, I have really no problem in doing it.

00:08:09.000 I have it right here.

00:08:10.000 I mean, should I do it?

00:08:11.000 I don't care.

00:08:12.000 Should I do it?

00:08:14.000 Yeah, let's do it, gang!

00:08:18.000 It's two letters.

00:08:19.000 One is the report and the other is from Lenox Hill Hospital.

00:08:22.000 May I see them?

00:08:23.000 Yeah, sure.

00:08:23.000 So these are the reports?

00:08:26.000 All the tests that were just done.

00:08:27.000 Okay.

00:08:47.000 What he says, this is good TV and it looks like he's being much more transparent than Hillary who's releasing these letters.

00:08:52.000 What Hillary should have done is gone on TV to release the letters the same way that Trump did. 1.00

00:08:56.000 Trump understands how TV works.

00:08:58.000 Hillary doesn't. 0.72

00:08:58.000 Trump appears honest. 0.72

00:09:00.000 Hillary does not. 0.67

00:09:02.000 So Trump was at a rally yesterday and Trump really is now, and here's where Trump almost can't help himself.

00:09:08.000 This actually is a bit of a boo-boo by Trump.

00:09:10.000 Trump in the middle of his campaign speech, he goes off teleprompter and he starts actually ripping on Hillary's health as opposed to her dishonesty after giving what looks like a bizarre come-hither look to the audience.

00:09:20.000 Do you think this is easy?

00:09:25.000 Oh, you think this is so easy in this beautiful room that's 122 degrees?

00:09:32.000 It is hot, and it's always hot when I perform because the crowds are so big.

00:09:37.000 These rooms were not designed for this kind of a crowd.

00:09:41.000 I don't know, folks.

00:09:42.000 You think Hillary would be able to stand up here for an hour and do this? 1.00

00:09:46.000 I don't know.

00:09:49.000 I don't think so.

00:09:50.000 I don't think so.

00:09:51.000 It's a comedy shtick.

00:09:52.000 It's a roast.

00:09:53.000 And Trump treats it like a roast. 0.68

00:09:55.000 The reason I say that this is silly is because she just released her medical records.

00:09:58.000 He should be doing the routine.

00:09:59.000 You know, whatever she says her health is, I'm sure that's what her health is, but she's been dishonest in the past, and her dishonesty makes people not trust her. 0.99

00:10:06.000 That's really what he should be saying.

00:10:08.000 But, you know, I also think that it's noteworthy that he says, whenever I get up here and I perform.

00:10:13.000 He's a presidential candidate, not a performer, but he still thinks of himself as a performer.

00:10:17.000 Needless to say, Hillary has some serious problems. 1.00

00:10:19.000 Everyone thinks she's lying about everything.

00:10:21.000 To the point where Hillary was on TV yesterday, and she said she was transparent, and literally everyone in the room started laughing.

00:10:28.000 I've worked very, very hard to be more transparent than not just my opponent, but really in a comparison to

00:10:41.000 Uh, anybody who's run, you know, the medical information I've put out and we're going to put out more, meets and exceeds the standards that other presidential candidates, including President Obama and Mitt Romney and others have met.

00:10:56.000 Okay, and here's the problem for Hillary. 1.00

00:10:58.000 She might actually not be lying here, but she's always lying, so we have to assume she's lying.

00:11:03.000 Somebody today said to me that maybe what we should do is we should put both of these candidates on a lie detector and find out who's lying more often.

00:11:08.000 I said, the problem for Hillary is that in order for a lie detector test to actually work, there has to be a baseline, right? 1.00

00:11:14.000 They have to be able to test the lies against something.

00:11:16.000 So if you lie 100% of the time, there's nothing to test it against.

00:11:19.000 It comes across as truth, right?

00:11:21.000 If I ask you your name, and you just lie about your name, and that's the baseline, then everything else that you say that's a lie also looks like the truth.

00:11:27.000 This is the problem for Hillary. 1.00

00:11:29.000 The media have not helped Hillary in this respect.

00:11:31.000 By attempting to quash questions about Hillary's health instead of asking questions about Hillary's health, they've put themselves in a position of now covering for Hillary.

00:11:39.000 Adam Carolla

00:11:41.000 I don't know.

00:11:58.000 With all this Hillary Clinton and all the pneumonia and all this stuff, I thought, well, let's get Drew to call in and just tell us how pneumonia works, what we should be looking out for.

00:12:09.000 In Drew's mind, he cannot come on this podcast and speak about Hillary Clinton.

00:12:16.000 I said, just come on and talk about pneumonia.

00:12:18.000 We'll just talk about pneumonia, and then we'll do the Hillary Clinton math.

00:12:23.000 No.

00:12:24.000 Got a couple of deals.

00:12:27.000 Uh, Bruin.

00:12:28.000 And he does not want to risk those things.

00:12:31.000 Okay, so that fact right there, the idea that Dr. Drew won't go on Adam Carolla's show and even talk about Hillary's health for fear of the backlash, that's pretty amazing stuff.

00:12:39.000 That's pretty amazing stuff.

00:12:40.000 Because, I mean, let's be real.

00:12:42.000 There are lots of TV doctors who speculate about the health of public figures on a pretty regular basis.

00:12:46.000 It also doesn't help when you've got Bill Clinton out there screwing up your health diagnosis every five seconds. 1.00

00:12:51.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:12:52.000 Bill Clinton probably knows about as much about Hillary's health as I do. 0.99

00:12:55.000 Because Bill probably talks to her about it as often as I do.

00:12:58.000 I mean, Bill has other priorities.

00:13:00.000 He's got other ladies that he likes to talk to, or not talk to, as the case may be, other receptacles, other human humidors that he is more interested in chatting with.

00:13:10.000 But Bill, yesterday, he goes out there and he says, Hillary just has the flu.

00:13:14.000 We thought she had pneumonia, but he says the flu, right?

00:13:17.000 It's a crazy time we live in, you know, when people think there's something unusual about getting the flu.

00:13:21.000 Next time I check, millions of people were getting it every year.

00:13:26.000 I don't know what happened to Bill Clinton. 0.83

00:13:26.000 He looks like such a creeper now. 0.83

00:13:28.000 He legitimately looks like the child molester from Family Guy. 0.98

00:13:31.000 Really, I don't know how else to describe him here. 0.92

00:13:36.000 That's what he looks like.

00:13:37.000 But he says the flu, and then everybody goes, wait, but she said she had pneumonia, so who's telling the truth?

00:13:42.000 And then they say, oh, Bill Clinton made a mistake, but he's her husband.

00:13:45.000 Shouldn't he know that?

00:13:46.000 He shouldn't know that.

00:13:47.000 They haven't been in the same 30-mile proximity since the convention when he just stared at the giant balloons coming from the sky and thought about Dolly Parton.

00:13:54.000 Bill went on to also cover up Hillary's email scandal.

00:13:58.000 Again, the lack of honesty on the part of the Clintons is so astounding that even when Hillary is telling the truth, even if her doctor is telling the truth about her health, there's no way for anybody to tell that.

00:14:08.000 After all the hullabaloo over this email deal,

00:14:14.000 You know, for a year we were told this is the biggest problem since the end of World War II.

00:14:24.000 Finally, the Washington Post, their everlasting credit, said, I think we've had about enough of this.

00:14:28.000 Okay, but we haven't had enough of this.

00:14:31.000 So again, they're covering up everything, and the Clinton Foundation is doing the same thing.

00:14:35.000 The head of the Clinton Foundation, Donna Shalala, was on TV yesterday, and she was saying there was no impact that the Clinton Foundation was working hand-in-glove with the State Department in corrupt fashion.

00:14:44.000 No one believes this.

00:14:45.000 No one believes what the Clinton Foundation president's about to tell you.

00:14:50.000 But with all respect, how can you dispute that the lines were crossed?

00:14:53.000 We have evidence of it from the emails.

00:14:55.000 No, there's no evidence that policy was impacted by anyone requesting an appointment.

00:15:02.000 So let me dispute any indication that Mrs. Clinton's

00:15:07.000 Thank you very much.

00:15:30.000 If you lie this much, if you're constantly lying, no one's going to trust you even when you tell the truth.

00:15:35.000 It's the boy who cried wolf.

00:15:36.000 You lie this much, no one is going to believe you when the wolf is finally there.

00:15:40.000 But when you tell the truth, when it turns out you actually did have pneumonia and it was just an allergy, then no one's going to believe you.

00:15:46.000 And still people don't believe you, and the polls show that today.

00:15:48.000 The polls, by the way, for Hillary Clinton are devastating.

00:15:50.000 I mean, she is now hitting the panic button somewhere

00:15:53.000 Joe Biden is just sitting in a corner crying to himself because if he were running, do you understand?

00:15:57.000 I think it's important people understand this.

00:15:59.000 Donald Trump is not soaring in the polls.

00:16:00.000 He's at 42% against Hillary Clinton in the New York Times poll, which means they're tied.

00:16:04.000 Okay, that's how bad Hillary Clinton is at this. 1.00

00:16:06.000 Hillary Clinton is legitimately the worst candidate in American political history. 1.00

00:16:09.000 She's going to lose to Donald Trump. 0.96

00:16:11.000 Okay, I could find small children who could beat Donald Trump in an election, and it would not be hard for me to do it.

00:16:16.000 I could find farm animals who would beat Donald Trump in an election.

00:16:19.000 Diseased farm animals who would likely beat Donald Trump in an election.

00:16:22.000 Hillary Clinton is going to lose to him because she's so terrible at all of this, which frankly to me is hilarious because she deserves all that. 0.97

00:16:28.000 I mean, she does.

00:16:29.000 As you know, I am not a Donald Trump fan.

00:16:31.000 We'll talk about that in a little while here.

00:16:33.000 But that said, there will be something sweet and wonderful about Hillary lusting her entire life after the highest office in the land only to fall short to a TV 1.00

00:16:44.000 Orange con man.

00:16:47.000 This woman who's built her entire life around politics, shlonged out of it by a guy who decided to get into politics almost legitimately a minute and 45 seconds ago. 0.80

00:16:56.000 I do love it.

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00:18:11.000 So, one quick note before we have to run here.

00:18:14.000 So, again, Hillary Clinton's dishonesty is so wild here that nothing she says can be believed, and it's almost impossible to overcome that. 0.98

00:18:23.000 It's really difficult for a candidate to overcome that in any serious way, which means that now Hillary has to wait for Trump to fail. 1.00

00:18:30.000 Trump has to avoid the big boo-boo.

00:18:31.000 If Trump can avoid the big boo-boo, he definitely has the advantage.

00:18:35.000 He definitely has a major advantage if he can avoid the big boo-boo.

00:18:38.000 And Trump is starting to look better.

00:18:40.000 Trump is, when he's on teleprompter, as I said, all we need from Trump is to be Shia LaBeouf when he's reading from the script, not Shia LaBeouf when he's being thrown out of a Broadway musical for trying to eat the flesh off another human being.

00:18:53.000 So if Trump can do that, if he can just stick to teleprompters, yesterday, for example, he drops this great line about Flint, Michigan.

00:19:00.000 Do we have this Trump line from Flint?

00:19:03.000 This clip 10.

00:19:03.000 It used to be, think of this, is this true?

00:19:09.000 It used to be cars were made in Flint and you couldn't drink the water in Mexico.

00:19:17.000 Now, the cars are made in Mexico and you can't drink the water in Flint.

00:19:26.000 Great line.

00:19:28.000 It's a great line.

00:19:28.000 It's a pre-written line.

00:19:29.000 It's a great line.

00:19:30.000 I love that when Trump does the comedian shtick, where he turns around and starts singing along to the audience.

00:19:36.000 Yeah, isn't that a great joke?

00:19:38.000 Come on.

00:19:39.000 I mean, this is good stuff.

00:19:41.000 This is good stuff.

00:19:41.000 And this is why Trump, the polls right now,

00:19:43.000 Trump is now neck and neck in Virginia, which has to scare the living crap out of Hillary. 1.00

00:19:47.000 She just pulled all of her resources from Virginia because she figured she had it won. 0.62

00:19:50.000 He's running neck and neck in Colorado.

00:19:52.000 That's a disaster for her. 1.00

00:19:53.000 He's running ahead in Ohio.

00:19:54.000 He's running ahead in Florida.

00:19:55.000 He's running up ahead by eight in Iowa.

00:19:57.000 He's running ahead in Nevada by a couple of points.

00:20:01.000 He's running ahead in Arizona.

00:20:02.000 He's running a little ahead in North Carolina.

00:20:04.000 Folks, if he wins that many states, he wins the election.

00:20:09.000 We're talking about President Donald Trump.

00:20:11.000 We're their gang.

00:20:12.000 I mean, we really are.

00:20:12.000 That's how close this thing is.

00:20:14.000 We'll talk more about that, and we'll talk about the dangers and what this involves when we continue.

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00:20:52.000 So, as we've been talking about, Donald Trump is not conservative, right?

00:20:55.000 I mean, the last couple of days, he unveils this maternity leave policy, which is a giant boondoggle for the left.

00:21:01.000 It's definitely not a conservative policy.

00:21:03.000 But the real reason, I think, that so many people are so loyal to Trump—really, the reason people are loyal to Trump has very little to do with Donald Trump's policy.

00:21:10.000 I think the reason so many people are very loyal to Donald Trump is because they like Donald Trump's enemies, meaning that he has—the right people hate Donald Trump.

00:21:19.000 The reason that, honestly, the reason that I get so much flack for not supporting Donald Trump is because people sort of assume that I would because I'm very, very conservative and because I really, really dislike Hillary Clinton and that's a major exaggeration, a major underestimation of how much I dislike Hillary Clinton.

00:21:34.000 To say I majorly, majorly dislike her is a major underestimation of how much I dislike Hillary Clinton. 0.99

00:21:39.000 People sort of assume that I was going to be on the Trump team, and so when I'm not, then they don't like that.

00:21:44.000 It doesn't fit into the boxes they've created, which are the Trump enemies and the Trump friends, because I sort of fall into the Trump enemies category in the sense that I don't like him.

00:21:53.000 This makes them puzzled and angry, and I get lots of emails about that, all of which is fine.

00:21:57.000 But the real reason that most people who like Trump like Trump is because they despise his enemies.

00:22:01.000 He pisses off the right people.

00:22:03.000 A lot of politics works this way, by the way.

00:22:05.000 It's the reason why Hillary Clinton used the deplorables line. 1.00

00:22:07.000 She's trying to suggest that the people who dislike her are the racist, sexist, bigot, homophobes, and that's why you should side with her.

00:22:13.000 Trump is trying to suggest that the people who don't like him are the 0.89

00:22:16.000 Pandering, polarizing, racist people of Black Lives Matter and the illegal immigrant groups that are pushing for more illegal immigration.

00:22:27.000 He tries to say that in the media, all the people that the American people hate a lot, he's trying to say those are my enemies too.

00:22:33.000 And every day, those people are showing up out of the woodwork.

00:22:36.000 So here's a perfect example.

00:22:37.000 So, yesterday, Trump is speaking in Flint, Michigan, and he's speaking at a church.

00:22:40.000 This pastor, apparently, black female pastor, she asked him to speak at this church, and as he's speaking, as he's speaking, this black female pastor shows up and tries to shut him down.

00:22:49.000 Hillary failed on the economy, just like she's failed on foreign policy. 1.00

00:22:55.000 Everything she touched didn't work out.

00:22:57.000 Nothing.

00:22:58.000 Now Hillary Clinton,

00:23:00.000 I invited you here to thank us for what we've done in Flint, not to give a political speech.

00:23:05.000 Okay, that's good.

00:23:06.000 And I'm going to go back on to Flint.

00:23:12.000 Okay.

00:23:13.000 Flint's pain is a result of so many different failures.

00:23:17.000 Okay, so Trump, being good Trump there, doesn't immediately go right back at her like, um, wait, I'm a presidential candidate.

00:23:23.000 You invited me here to do what now?

00:23:25.000 That I'm not supposed to give a political speech?

00:23:27.000 People look at this and they say, that's the most obnoxious thing I've ever seen.

00:23:29.000 And it is really obnoxious.

00:23:30.000 If you invite a presidential candidate and then tell him he's not allowed to attack the other presidential candidate in the middle of his speech, it's super obnoxious.

00:23:38.000 And so Trump slaps back at that.

00:23:40.000 But something was up because

00:23:43.000 I noticed she was so nervous when she introduced me and she called NBC, ABC, you know ABC was up the owner of an NBC network and she said he owns ABC and we sort of smiled together backstage and when she got up to introduce me she was so nervous she was shaking and I said wow this is sort of strange and then she came up.

00:24:06.000 So she had that in mind there's no question about it.

00:24:10.000 Okay, so he, and he's exactly right.

00:24:11.000 He's exactly right. 0.96

00:24:12.000 People look at that and they go, this is honestly, it's just, it's ridiculous. 0.98

00:24:15.000 You invite him to a black church to speak to people, and then the minute he starts talking about Hillary, you shut it down? 0.99

00:24:20.000 Give me a break.

00:24:21.000 Other people who are obviously targeting Trump.

00:24:23.000 Vincente Fox, the former president of Mexico.

00:24:26.000 He talks about Trump, and people look at this, normal Americans look at this, and they say, that guy ain't on my side, so why exactly shouldn't I be on Trump's side?

00:24:35.000 Here is Vincente Fox and his mustache, which he apparently uses to dust after he does TV, talking about Donald Trump.

00:24:43.000 And Mr. Trump's candidacy specifically remind you of any past demagogic candidates in Latin America?

00:24:52.000 Absolutely yes, and we suffered from that all along the 20th century.

00:24:58.000 Diego Chavez, the Kirchners, the Perons, demagoguery, populism, and I'm surprised that this nation is now going back to the old days of the

00:25:10.000 Yes, some manufacturing jobs were lost, 30% in the last 10 years.

00:25:30.000 He's not telling the truth, is that 95% growth on the new economy, on the new jobs, the quality jobs, which is what US Americans have here.

00:25:41.000 So, it's wrong on every position.

00:25:45.000 It's wrong on going to a trade war with China, with Mexico.

00:25:49.000 He doesn't understand that U.S.

00:25:51.000 economy has a deficit with every single economy in the world.

00:25:56.000 And he's not going to go to war with everybody.

00:25:58.000 We are frightened outside.

00:26:01.000 I work with 95 former heads of states of Club de Madrid, and we, or I, now in one solid front against

00:26:12.000 This, men, this is not the voice of United States.

00:26:16.000 This is not the voice of a compassive leadership.

00:26:19.000 This is not the voice of a brilliant leader which would be world leader, not only president of United States.

00:26:29.000 And he goes out and calls Trump a gringo fail, which I don't even know what that means.

00:26:33.000 And he says he doesn't know that China's Great Wall failed.

00:26:35.000 So, here's how a lot of people vote for Trump or decide to vote for Trump.

00:26:38.000 They watch stuff like this, and if their blood pressure rises, they vote for Trump.

00:26:43.000 Really, and this raises your blood pressure.

00:26:44.000 I mean, you have the MSNBC anchor specifically soliciting.

00:26:48.000 So, which dictators does Trump remind you of?

00:26:51.000 When was the last time anybody said that about Hillary? 0.98

00:26:53.000 Hillary reminds me of a lot of dictators, by the way. 1.00

00:26:54.000 She reminds me of every corrupt, oligarchic dictator in South America. 1.00

00:26:58.000 She does. 0.99

00:26:59.000 Because that's what Hillary is. 1.00

00:27:00.000 That's what Obama is, too.

00:27:02.000 Have you ever seen MSNBC bring on a Republican and say, so, tell me, which dictators does Hillary remind you of? 0.87

00:27:08.000 But MSNBC brings on Vincente Fox and they say, which dictators does Donald Trump remind you of?

00:27:14.000 And the media are just another group of people who really tick off the Trump supporters and should tick off the Trump supporters because the media are terrible.

00:27:20.000 If you want to watch something funny,

00:27:22.000 I did an interview with PBS in Bloomberg yesterday.

00:27:26.000 I think it's up on the net now.

00:27:27.000 We'll put it up at dailywire.com.

00:27:30.000 I did an interview with Brian Stelter at CNN, and I really ripped him a new one when he suggested there was no bias in the media against Donald Trump, because obviously there is.

00:27:37.000 Clearly, there is.

00:27:39.000 Now, the media are the least trusted group in America.

00:27:41.000 There's a poll out today showing how much people hate the media, and they really, really dislike the media.

00:27:45.000 The reason they dislike the media is because of stuff like this.

00:27:47.000 Ivanka goes on TV, and immediately, the questioner starts sandbagging her with Donald Trump's nasty quotes about women. 0.98

00:27:56.000 During an interview with Cosmopolitan, published Wednesday, Ivanka Trump abruptly stopped a Q&A after being asked about some of Donald Trump's past comments about childcare and maternity leave. 0.98

00:28:07.000 The GOP candidate's daughter reportedly bristled when interviewer Prachi Gupta asked,

00:28:12.000 In 2004, Donald Trump said that pregnancy is an inconvenient thing for a business.

00:28:17.000 It's surprising to see this policy from him today.

00:28:20.000 Can you talk a little about those comments and perhaps what has changed?

00:28:23.000 Ivanka then responded, I think that you have a lot of negativity in these questions.

00:28:27.000 I don't know how useful it is to spend too much time with you on this.

00:28:32.000 We don't need the full report on it, but the bottom line is that she gets upset with Cosmo because Cosmo is asking questions with the quotes and it feels like a sandbagging.

00:28:39.000 When's the last time somebody asked Hillary Clinton, you claim that sexual assault survivors should be believed, your husband sexually assaulted people? 1.00

00:28:47.000 That's never happened ever.

00:28:49.000 And so people rightly look at this stuff and they feel like Cosmo is out to get people because Cosmo is out to get people.

00:28:53.000 Cosmo is such a lefty magazine that Cosmo had an article today about how the maternity leave policy, Trump's maternity leave policy, which I think stinks, but they said Trump's maternity leave policy is transphobic because only women get maternity leave.

00:29:08.000 So what about men who think they're women?

00:29:10.000 Really?

00:29:11.000 This is what they wrote.

00:29:12.000 I'm not joking. 1.00

00:29:13.000 So in any case, people look at the media and they say, you guys are just full of crap. 1.00

00:29:16.000 Here's another example. 0.99

00:29:17.000 The CNN panel yesterday, a Trump supporter comes on, said that Trump looks like he's healthy, looks like he looks fantastic.

00:29:23.000 And the panel loses it because obviously it's hilarious.

00:29:26.000 If they'd said Hillary looks fantastic, then they all get out the hand cream. 1.00

00:29:29.000 But if they say Trump looks fantastic, then that's the end of the world.

00:29:33.000 He said he wants to lose at least 15 pounds, at least.

00:29:36.000 Uh, and that he's on medication to control his cholesterol.

00:29:39.000 That doesn't sound like the healthiest individual if you're doing that.

00:29:42.000 As a matter of fact, we're gonna say he was, he said 236.

00:29:44.000 The audience member says 267.

00:29:48.000 If he's anywhere in that range, for a six, a six foot three man, he's overweight if he's at 236.

00:29:53.000 And if he's at 260, he is obese.

00:29:56.000 That doesn't sound, Andy, as the most healthiest and fit person.

00:30:01.000 Well, Don, first look, he looks fantastic to me, and I'll tell you this, he is getting exercise in the sense that he's flying to two or three different states a day, and he walks these lines and shakes voters' hands.

00:30:11.000 Okay, so we can stop it there.

00:30:12.000 So Andy Dean works for Trump, he's a surrogate for Trump, and so this is a typical CNN panel.

00:30:17.000 The Trump supporter, and then three people laughing at the Trump supporter.

00:30:20.000 That's pretty much how it goes on CNN, plus the host, so a fourth person laughing at the Trump supporter.

00:30:25.000 People look at this and they get ticked.

00:30:26.000 And they have a right to be ticked.

00:30:28.000 Trump makes a lot of the right enemies.

00:30:30.000 He also makes enemies of people who are actual conservatives, so he has a lot of the wrong enemies.

00:30:35.000 He has a habit of ticking people off, but he has a lot of the right enemies, and so people feel very loyal to him, and they feel like they're gonna follow him anywhere he wants to go.

00:30:42.000 Anywhere he wants to go, they're absolutely willing to follow him.

00:30:45.000 Now, the problem with this...

00:30:47.000 The problem with this is what I'm going to call the great co-opting.

00:30:51.000 And we talked about this yesterday.

00:30:53.000 And so I don't want to beat the point to death.

00:30:55.000 But after this maternity leave speech, there were a bunch of people on the right who pretended that this was conservative and that a new conservatism has to take the place of the old conservatism.

00:31:04.000 Now, there's a bunch of people supposedly on the right who believe that this new conservatism, which really means

00:31:10.000 This nationalist populism, this kind of Teddy Roosevelt progressive era populism, or this Pat Buchananite isolationism, or this Tom Tancredo-esque, this Tom Tancredo-esque closed border stuff, that that has to take precedence.

00:31:26.000 There's a bunch of people who believe this.

00:31:27.000 They're the people who celebrate the death of traditional conservatism.

00:31:30.000 People like the alt-right, who actually hate traditional conservatism.

00:31:32.000 The alt-right, for people who don't know, they just believe that Western civilization can only be preserved by the preservation of European ethnic majorities, and therefore, if we import too many people of the wrong color, then we are going to destroy Western civilization.

00:31:45.000 So they're thrilled with Trump.

00:31:46.000 They don't care about limited government, they don't believe in equal rights, they just believe in equal rights for people who are of a particular shade.

00:31:52.000 Then there are the Buchananites, who believe a lot of Trump's policies, and they like everything Trump's saying, so when Trump says stuff that's anti-small government, they really don't care.

00:32:00.000 And then there are reluctant conservatives, who seem to have surrendered to Trump.

00:32:04.000 And here, I hate criticizing Rush Limbaugh, because I think Rush Limbaugh is truly one of the most important right-wing figures in modern American history.

00:32:12.000 I think that if you look at Rush's impact before and after the 1994 Republican revolution, if you look at his impact during the Bush years, no one has been more impactful on the future of conservatism than Rush Limbaugh, and attempts to downplay him as just an entertainer miss the point with Rush.

00:32:27.000 Rush said something yesterday that I find very disturbing and very disheartening.

00:32:30.000 Here's what Rush said about Trump's maternity leave policy.

00:32:33.000 We have two candidates representing two major parties.

00:32:39.000 Neither of which is conservative.

00:32:41.000 I don't think the Republican Party is conservative.

00:32:45.000 Maybe it is if compared to the Democrats.

00:32:49.000 Certainly it would be.

00:32:50.000 But if you are defining conservatism honestly and strictly, we don't have a conservative political party.

00:33:01.000 We have two candidates representing two major parties, neither of which is conservative.

00:33:09.000 The parties or the nominees.

00:33:11.000 Safe to assume.

00:33:13.000 So if you look at Trump's plan for child care, maternity leave, elderly care, you can sit there and lament all day.

00:33:21.000 Oh, gosh, see, this is exactly why we needed Cruz!

00:33:25.000 We wouldn't even be mess—if it were Cruz, we wouldn't have to wade through all this maybe, if, or what stuff.

00:33:32.000 We just have a 10% flat tax, put everybody under it and virtually get rid of all deductions and just end the government paying people to do this and not paying people to do that.

00:33:42.000 But we don't have that.

00:33:43.000 Ted Cruz didn't win.

00:33:45.000 We have what we have.

00:33:48.000 Okay, and he went on to basically say, small government, the era of small government is dead.

00:33:52.000 We have two parties, they're both big government parties now.

00:33:55.000 And then he went on to basically say that Donald Trump's program was at least half conservative.

00:34:00.000 If this is what has happened, I mean, this is a more honest take than Sean Hannity or Laura Ingraham, who keep saying that his maternity leave policy is actually conservative.

00:34:08.000 But what Rush is saying is, at the very least, very disheartening.

00:34:12.000 The suggestion seems to be, the era of small government is over, conservatism is over, perhaps we've already lost.

00:34:18.000 Now, what's ironic about this is that back in the mid-2000s, there were people like George Will, who now opposed Trump, who's arguing exactly the same thing.

00:34:25.000 He actually said in 2007 that Americans desire a strong government, a big government.

00:34:30.000 I wrote at the time, this is back in 2007, Republicans therefore have a double task when it comes to economics, teaching and winning.

00:34:36.000 But it seems like people have lost the desire to teach.

00:34:40.000 They only want to win.

00:34:41.000 They're no longer interested in teaching.

00:34:43.000 Here's what Rush said here.

00:34:44.000 He said,

00:34:56.000 Now, descriptively, that's probably true.

00:34:58.000 Descriptively, that's probably true.

00:34:59.000 But where did that alleviate our capacity to speak the truth about Donald Trump's policy?

00:35:05.000 And we're seeing that happen now.

00:35:06.000 We're seeing people who are just falling victim to this.

00:35:08.000 They're just shifting conservatism.

00:35:10.000 They're basically saying, we need something new, because if we don't do something new, we're never going to win, ignoring the fact that the ideas are eternally true.

00:35:20.000 I suppose you can lie to win.

00:35:21.000 I suppose you can shift to bad policy to win.

00:35:24.000 But if you want to tell the truth, that's a priority to me.

00:35:27.000 And if we're losing, it's because we're not educating enough people.

00:35:30.000 It's because we've done a poor job educating people about what real priorities look like from a conservative point of view. 0.84

00:35:37.000 Newt Gingrich, I thought, said one of the most ridiculous things that I've heard him say recently, and he's said a lot of ridiculous things recently.

00:35:42.000 He said that people who aren't voting for Trump, these Never Trump people, first of all, I have to point out, before I even get to this comment, the amount of energy that these sort of Trump people are wasting on Never Trump people is insane. 0.93

00:35:52.000 It's totally crazy.

00:35:53.000 And it sort of begs the question as to why they're doing that.

00:35:58.000 It requires you to ask, why are they spending so much time on this?

00:36:01.000 The fact is that, I think in the latest New York Times poll, 85% of Republicans say they're voting for Trump.

00:36:06.000 It was 92% for Romney.

00:36:07.000 So it's very comparable.

00:36:09.000 Vast majority of Republicans have circled the wagons.

00:36:11.000 People like Carly Fiorina are endorsing Trump.

00:36:13.000 I think Ted Cruz will probably endorse Trump in the coming weeks.

00:36:15.000 Why they're wasting time on people like me, who I'm not actively telling people not to vote Trump.

00:36:20.000 I'm telling you why I'm not voting Trump.

00:36:23.000 Yeah, but they're spending an enormous amount of time on this.

00:36:26.000 It speaks to one of two things.

00:36:27.000 Either a guilty conscience, because they feel that they're being shamed in some way, like I'm telling them that they're doing something immoral for voting Trump, which again, I have not said.

00:36:35.000 Or two, they actually don't want to talk about Trump, and so it's easier to talk about Trump's opponents.

00:36:40.000 Again, it's easier to talk about the enemy, the Never Trumpers, than it is to talk about Trump's maternity leave policy.

00:36:45.000 Here is Trump saying that Never Trump is in love with the past.

00:36:47.000 We're in love with the past.

00:36:49.000 If you so love the past,

00:36:51.000 That you want to write off the future.

00:36:54.000 Then Never Trump makes some sense.

00:36:57.000 Cling to the failed ideas.

00:36:58.000 Cling to the failed bureaucracy.

00:37:00.000 Cling to the projects that didn't work.

00:37:03.000 Cling to the war we didn't win.

00:37:04.000 If that's what you want to do, that's your right as a citizen.

00:37:07.000 Don't expect the rest of us to be impressed with it.

00:37:10.000 This is a sign that you're so mired down in the past, you're so unable to see reality, you're so unwilling to look at the future.

00:37:17.000 And that goes for Mitt Romney and his crew, NRO and their crew.

00:37:20.000 That goes for the Wall Street Journal and their crew.

00:37:22.000 That goes for Bill Cristol.

00:37:23.000 No, the Wall Street Journal is a little more mixed.

00:37:24.000 I mean, in all fairness, the Wall Street Journal has sort of a mixed bag of some pro-Trump, some anti-Trump.

00:37:30.000 Let me rub down here. 0.99

00:37:30.000 Okay, so first of all, Newt Gingrich, listen up, old man. 0.99

00:37:34.000 If you want to talk about mired down in the past, Newt Gingrich, you're old enough to be

00:37:39.000 At least my father.

00:37:41.000 You're significantly older than my pops.

00:37:44.000 Speaking of mired down in the past, your candidate is 70 years old.

00:37:48.000 When I was born, your candidate was 38.

00:37:51.000 Okay, don't tell me about Meijer down in the past.

00:37:53.000 Don't tell me these new ideas that Trump is bringing to the fore.

00:37:56.000 He's not bringing anything new.

00:37:58.000 He's not bringing anything new.

00:37:59.000 He's bringing back Nelson Rockefeller conservatism, which is to say big government New York conservatism.

00:38:05.000 He's bringing back Richard Nixon conservatism, which is to say weak on national security, because Richard Nixon was not strong on national security.

00:38:12.000 Weak on national security.

00:38:15.000 We're talking big government programs.

00:38:17.000 We're talking new bureaucracies.

00:38:19.000 If this is your idea of the new, 0.99

00:38:22.000 Then screw you! 1.00

00:38:23.000 I mean, really, this is maddening stuff, because the fact is that the whole point of being conservative is to conserve. 0.99

00:38:29.000 How can you say, we want new ideas, and then your new ideas are a bunch of crappy old ideas that have never worked in the past, and the only reason they're working now is because you're running against legitimately the worst candidate in American history, and Hillary Clinton.

00:38:41.000 Newt Gingrich blathering on about new ideas, and for him to impose the cast of the future, if these were such great winning ideas, why didn't he try it in 2012 and actually win something?

00:38:51.000 It is amazing.

00:38:52.000 But watching him and Hannity pose as arbiters of the new conservatism, it's really sickening. 0.74

00:38:58.000 It's really sickening.

00:38:58.000 If the new conservatism is Teddy Roosevelt's bureaucracy, if the new conservatism is Richard Nixon's racial strategy, if the new conservatism is all this nonsense rolled up into a ball and tied a bow around by Pat Buchanan, then I don't want any part of that.

00:39:13.000 And it's hilarious to me that the new is exactly the same as the old.

00:39:16.000 You know what would actually be new?

00:39:17.000 Trying conservatism.

00:39:18.000 When was the last time we had a real conservative?

00:39:21.000 Even Reagan was a big government blowout spending guy.

00:39:25.000 He tried to rein in the spending, but Reagan was not a supremely small government.

00:39:29.000 He talked in terms of small government, but you look at his record, the last truly, truly conservative candidate that we had all the way across the board was maybe Calvin Coolidge in 1924.

00:39:38.000 It's been a long time since there's been a truly, fully conservative guy.

00:39:42.000 Reagan was as conservative as we've had in the modern era.

00:39:45.000 But Reagan still presided over a blowout spending.

00:39:48.000 And that was because he had a Democrat Congress, but it's still true. 0.88

00:39:51.000 But this idea that you have to just come along with the new, just leave this in the past, leave it all behind.

00:39:56.000 What are you leaving behind?

00:39:57.000 If what you're leaving behind is right, if what you're leaving behind is true, then why would we leave it behind?

00:40:04.000 And if you think victory just involves campaigning as a Democrat, then why didn't we nominate somebody who's better at this?

00:40:11.000 If we're going to nominate a Democrat, let's go get George Clooney and run him for president, for goodness sake.

00:40:15.000 And Newt Gingrich continued along these lines.

00:40:18.000 He said that the new conservatism is a new set of issues.

00:40:20.000 It's things we've never thought about before.

00:40:22.000 New.

00:40:22.000 Brilliant.

00:40:23.000 Bold.

00:40:25.000 Win or lose for Trump, does that movement that we knew and seemed to be pretty coherent a couple of years ago come back together?

00:40:33.000 Probably not.

00:40:34.000 I think that you're seeing a genuine evolution into a new set of issues, a new set of principles.

00:40:41.000 What are they?

00:40:42.000 Well, I think one of them is putting America first.

00:40:45.000 I mean, a very relentless, ruthless attitude that says, you know, show me a trade deal.

00:40:51.000 I want to see what's in it for America.

00:40:52.000 I mean, this is amazing stuff.

00:40:54.000 So the new conservatism is anti-free trade.

00:40:57.000 That's the new conservatism.

00:40:58.000 I'm old enough to remember when Newt Gingrich was pro-NAFTA, which was like five minutes ago.

00:41:03.000 I'm old enough to remember when he was an advocate of free trade.

00:41:05.000 But this idea that he's now the—the halcyons of the future are everybody in the Republican Party over the age of 60.

00:41:10.000 If you want to see a generation gap, go to a speech with a bunch of young conservatives and see how many of them ardently support Trump.

00:41:16.000 Then go to a speech with a bunch of older conservatives and see how many of them ardently support Trump.

00:41:21.000 There's a major generation gap.

00:41:23.000 Every conservative under the age of 40 is deeply uncomfortable with Trump.

00:41:26.000 They think that his policies are closed.

00:41:28.000 They think that his policies are backward. 0.99

00:41:30.000 They think that his policies are big government Democrat crap. 0.98

00:41:33.000 You talk to a bunch of people over the age of 60, and they think that Trump's the next coming. 0.96

00:41:35.000 I mean, it's really, it is amazing stuff.

00:41:39.000 This twisting is what has bothered me all along, the great co-opting, and it's very disturbing, and it's really funny.

00:41:47.000 Conservatism dies when its leading advocates become the detractors of conservatism.

00:41:51.000 Newt Gingrich used to be a leading advocate for conservatism.

00:41:54.000 Now, apparently, he's one of its leading detractors.

00:41:57.000 Okay, time for some things I like, then some things I hate, and then we got some mailbags.

00:42:01.000 So, we'll start with things I like.

00:42:03.000 So, first of all, I don't do this too often, but I had a special request from one of our listeners to give a happy birthday shoutout to Ricky Roxboro.

00:42:12.000 Rocksboro.

00:42:13.000 So, Ricky, thanks for watching, listening to the show.

00:42:16.000 Really appreciate it, and I hope you have a wonderful birthday.

00:42:18.000 We won't do this every day because we have way too many listeners for that.

00:42:21.000 It could take up half the show.

00:42:22.000 But happy birthday to you, because you're the first person who's asked for me to do that.

00:42:26.000 We'll do it, and we'll dedicate a love song to you on late night talk radio.

00:42:31.000 Okay.

00:42:31.000 Other things that I like.

00:42:32.000 We've been doing memoirs this week, so I'd be remiss if I did not plug Andrew Clavin's book, The Great Good Thing.

00:42:37.000 This puts me in a controversial position because, of course, Andrew Klavan's book is about how he was a Jew and now he's a Christian.

00:42:43.000 As an Orthodox Jew, this is not something that I like so much.

00:42:46.000 I'm a big fan of Jews staying Jews. 1.00

00:42:48.000 The reason that I actually recommend the book, and I've read the book, and it's a very well expressed book,

00:42:54.000 And obviously, I disagree with Clavin on his rationales for conversion to Christianity, as opposed to a revitalized belief in Western civilization based on Judeo-Christian values that springs not just from Christianity, but from the root of Christianity, Judaism.

00:43:09.000 But the reason that I actually recommend Clavin's book to Jews is because I think that it's important that you realize what drives Jews away from Judaism. 0.91

00:43:15.000 From that angle, it's a really interesting memoir.

00:43:17.000 As an Orthodox Jew, it's really interesting, because the entire basis of the first part of Drew's book

00:43:22.000 It's about how he didn't grow up in—he grew up in a household that was actively anti-Judaism.

00:43:27.000 He grew up in a household where Judaism was considered an old country thing.

00:43:31.000 It was considered something for the backward.

00:43:33.000 His parents apparently were real strivers to kind of escape cultural Judaism and be seen as sort of the waspy middle class. 0.82

00:43:39.000 And then they wanted him to have a bar mitzvah, and he thought, this is really hypocritical.

00:43:44.000 They don't want me to be anywhere near the Jewish community, but I'm supposed to take all the money for saying stuff I don't believe and that I've been told not to believe?

00:43:51.000 And so, I think that's fascinating, and I think that it's important to read for Jews, because I think it's important for you to understand, when you parent, the way that you parent has an impact on how your kid is going to see the religion in which you raise them.

00:44:03.000 And if it's just cultural Judaism, if it's just you eat matzo ball soup every so often, or if it's just ethnic Judaism, you had a grandmother who died in the Holocaust, that ain't good enough. 0.77

00:44:11.000 Your kids are not going to stick around, and they shouldn't stick around, because you're not giving them any reason to do so.

00:44:15.000 Okay, another thing that I like, we're doing memoirs, as I mentioned.

00:44:18.000 The memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant, these are frequently overlooked.

00:44:22.000 It's actually really well written.

00:44:24.000 Ulysses S. Grant has now been slandered by history as this drunken failure, and it really isn't true.

00:44:29.000 Ulysses S. Grant was actually a relatively successful president.

00:44:32.000 He got bogged down in patronage scandals, but he's a really interesting character.

00:44:36.000 He wrote this near the end of his life in order to earn money, because he was basically broke.

00:44:40.000 Let's do it, man.

00:45:04.000 Things that I hate.

00:45:05.000 Okay, so we'll start with Skip Bayless.

00:45:07.000 Skip Bayless is, I understand it's popular to hate Skip Bayless.

00:45:11.000 Like, we all understand that Skip Bayless is considered sort of an income poop by most people who watch TV.

00:45:16.000 He now has his own show.

00:45:17.000 I think, is it on Fox now?

00:45:19.000 Fox Sports?

00:45:20.000 Something like that.

00:45:22.000 He does an interview with Trent Dilfer, who's an NFL commentator, and Skip Bayless, as the honorary lefty on the show, he decides to go after Trent Dilfer.

00:45:31.000 If you go to the place that you're telling a black man or a black woman, you should know your place and stay in it when you get to there. 1.00

00:45:44.000 Them is fighting words. 0.57

00:45:45.000 Yes.

00:45:46.000 That smacks of plantation mentality. 0.94

00:45:49.000 You cannot go there.

00:45:50.000 No.

00:45:50.000 And he went there.

00:45:52.000 Because no matter what you're trying to say in the football context, we're not in the football context anymore.

00:45:57.000 No.

00:45:58.000 We have risen above it to an issue that is far more important than any football game.

00:46:02.000 And I love my football, and you love your football.

00:46:04.000 Love it.

00:46:04.000 We take it almost dead seriously.

00:46:06.000 A lot of what I have today, Skip, is because of football.

00:46:09.000 I agree.

00:46:09.000 I got it.

00:46:10.000 I got it.

00:46:10.000 I watched every game.

00:46:12.000 I watched both those games last time.

00:46:14.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:46:14.000 This is such obnoxious, stupid crap from Skip Bayless. 1.00

00:46:16.000 Wow, what a dummy. 1.00

00:46:33.000 To stand up or sit down and kneel and say no. 0.99

00:46:55.000 One day.

00:46:55.000 This gets him in, right?

00:46:56.000 Because he said that it's a plantation mentality to say that Colin Kaepernick is an adult and a moron, is doing the wrong thing, is a racist, and hates cops. 0.99

00:47:07.000 And if you tell him that he should sit down and shut up, he's a backup quarterback and he stinks at his job, so what do we even care what he has to say in the first place? 1.00

00:47:14.000 That's a plantation mentality?

00:47:16.000 Plantation mentality?

00:47:17.000 Really?

00:47:19.000 Last time I checked, slaves weren't being paid.

00:47:21.000 What is he being paid?

00:47:22.000 $120 million?

00:47:23.000 $119 million? 1.00

00:47:24.000 Yeah, plantation mentality from Skip Bayless, who gets paid to be a professional idiot. 1.00

00:47:29.000 So that's one of the things I hate. 1.00

00:47:30.000 Another thing I hate, Kristen Bell is seen by many. 1.00

00:47:34.000 She's in Veronica Mars, correct?

00:47:36.000 So there's a lot of Veronica Mars fans out there.

00:47:38.000 I never watched the show.

00:47:39.000 I don't know if it's any good. 0.95

00:47:40.000 She's the voice of one of the characters in Frozen, so naturally that means she likes killing babies. 0.99

00:47:44.000 Because if you do a children's movie, that means that you like killing babies, apparently. 0.85

00:47:47.000 So Kristen Bell has now done a new video in which she talks about motherhood and the pay gap, and also she's a big Planned Parenthood advocate. 0.88

00:47:56.000 It's just so obnoxious.

00:47:58.000 She did this for Huffington Post, which ugh. 1.00

00:48:01.000 Is your company looking to maximize their output while cutting back on costs?

00:48:06.000 Why outsource all your production to faraway countries like India, China, and Narnia, when we have the cheapest and best workforce right here in the good ol' U.S.

00:48:16.000 of A. Women. 0.79

00:48:19.000 That's right.

00:48:19.000 With pink sourcing, women are a bargain at the workplace, since you only have to pay them 77 cents on the dollar.

00:48:25.000 Right, Cathy?

00:48:26.000 Wait, what?

00:48:26.000 I make 60 cents.

00:48:27.000 Who are you, Bill Gates?

00:48:29.000 De que?

00:48:30.000 I make 55 cents.

00:48:31.000 Who is she, Yaezy? 1.00

00:48:34.000 No, come on. 0.85

00:48:35.000 Those are men.

00:48:36.000 Even more importantly, you don't have to pay women overtime.

00:48:39.000 They'll never ask for a raise, and they don't complain about their working conditions.

00:48:43.000 Right, Cathy?

00:48:46.000 Don't forget, women are great at remembering birthdays. 1.00

00:48:50.000 They're the only ones who bring baked goods into the office. 0.98

00:48:53.000 And, they smell nice.

00:48:56.000 Also, you don't have to pay for women's birth control. 1.00

00:48:59.000 And if they do get knocked up, when they leave to have the baby, you get off scot-free. 0.76

00:49:05.000 But don't worry guys, your boner pills are still covered.

00:49:10.000 Okay, oh my god, okay.

00:49:14.000 Was this supposed to be funny?

00:49:16.000 I guess there was supposed to be humor here, but when the left gets political, it's really, really, really not funny.

00:49:21.000 So this is super not funny.

00:49:23.000 There's so much that's a lie here.

00:49:25.000 First of all, I just want to point one thing out.

00:49:26.000 Kristen Bell's net worth as of 2015 is $16 million.

00:49:30.000 $16 million.

00:49:31.000 So clearly she's being disadvantaged by the great bias against women in the workplace. 1.00

00:49:36.000 As far as the idea that employers are interested in their employees, in their female employees, getting pregnant and then taking time off so we don't have to pay for them? 0.72

00:49:44.000 No, because when they take the time off, we lose money.

00:49:47.000 We have to hire a replacement.

00:49:49.000 That replacement means you have to train up the replacement.

00:49:52.000 And by the way, she talks about Viagra being covered.

00:49:57.000 I don't remember the last time that condoms were covered by any sort of healthcare program.

00:50:03.000 I missed that part.

00:50:05.000 The whole thing is, this is all insipid.

00:50:07.000 And she continues along these lines.

00:50:09.000 She talks about how women are really disadvantaged, and it's pink sourcing. 1.00

00:50:12.000 But what's funny about this is that what she doesn't understand is that she's actually making the case against herself.

00:50:16.000 Because if this actually existed, if everything she was saying were true, companies would actually do this, wouldn't they?

00:50:23.000 Right.

00:50:24.000 I mean, companies are evil.

00:50:25.000 This is her implication. 0.99

00:50:26.000 Companies are evil and they hate women. 1.00

00:50:29.000 But if this were true, if they could pay women less, if they could disadvantage women, if they didn't give them birth control and then they get pregnant and we throw them out on the street and we beat them and all this nonsense, if that were true, there would be a company actually called Pink Sourcing and companies would call that company to hire all the women so they could pay them nothing. 1.00

00:50:45.000 Is there a company called Pink Sourcing?

00:50:46.000 No, she has to make a satire company called Pink Sourcing. 1.00

00:50:48.000 It doesn't exist, gang.

00:50:50.000 And the reason it doesn't exist is because in the largest cities in America, women who have the same qualifications and the same marital status as men are paid more than men in the top 50 cities in the United States according to Time Magazine circa 2010. 0.69

00:51:06.000 Thank you.

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00:52:09.000 Okay, time for the vaunted.

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00:52:36.000 Ben Shapiro show mailbag.

00:52:38.000 Here we go.

00:52:38.000 Robert writes...

00:52:41.000 Robert writes, Hi, Ben.

00:52:43.000 I was hoping you could help.

00:52:45.000 I've been wondering at Hillary's statement she thought the C in email headers had something to do with alphabetizing or filing or something.

00:52:50.000 My question is, did she ever wonder why emails were only being filed under C?

00:52:55.000 Why was it that nothing was ever being filed under the other 25 letters of the alphabet?

00:52:58.000 That seems like a pretty inefficient filing system.

00:53:01.000 Thanks in advance for helping me make sense of Hillary's C files logic, Robert.

00:53:05.000 Well, I think the reason, Robert, that Hillary thought that C was the only letter that appeared at the top

00:53:10.000 Of the emails, I can't even make this joke, it turns out.

00:53:14.000 So we'll just leave it there.

00:53:15.000 I have a joke, but it's way too obscene for any sort of broadcast medium.

00:53:22.000 By the way, if you're watching this live right now at dailywire.com, we're doing a new routine where if you actually message us during the show and you ask questions, then we will actually pop those up in real time and I can respond to you in real time, which is kind of cool.

00:53:35.000 Okay, Brennan writes, hey Ben.

00:53:37.000 My best friend named Tarambi said you and the producers are what humans should look up to when they want to go to animal heaven.

00:53:43.000 A couple of weeks ago, I got into a debate with my bro about the relation of religion and marriage.

00:53:47.000 He said religion hijacked marriage and made it its own, but I proved him wrong and he still ignored me.

00:53:51.000 How do I make him understand facts?

00:53:53.000 Furthermore, he said a Christian refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple is illegal.

00:53:56.000 I know it's not, but I don't comprehend how it is not.

00:53:58.000 Could you explain?

00:53:59.000 Okay, first of all, it depends on the state.

00:54:02.000 So there are certain states where they have made it illegal for a Christian couple not to bake a cake for a gay couple, but not only for a gay couple, for a same-sex wedding.

00:54:11.000 So Washington State, for example, a baker just got sued out of existence because they didn't want to participate in a same-sex wedding.

00:54:18.000 It should not be illegal because I'm actually fully consistent on this.

00:54:21.000 I don't think this is even a religion issue.

00:54:23.000 I think that this is a freedom of association issue.

00:54:25.000 I don't think I should have to serve you.

00:54:26.000 I don't think you should have to serve me.

00:54:28.000 And people always say to me things like, okay, well, if you walked in wearing your kippah and I refused to serve you, wouldn't you feel bad?

00:54:34.000 And my answer is yes, and also you're allowed to do that.

00:54:37.000 Lots of things in life make me feel bad, but facts don't care about your feelings, as I am fond of saying, and so I really don't care.

00:54:43.000 I'll just go to a different place.

00:54:45.000 Because it turns out that the market solves all this stuff.

00:54:47.000 When it comes to free market economics, if somebody doesn't want to take my money, my money is just as green as anybody else's, and there are plenty of other people who are willing to take my cash.

00:54:56.000 That's the real solution to discrimination in the marketplace, is other businesses competing and taking those dollars, which is why, for all the talk about

00:55:04.000 Gays and lesbians being disadvantaged by the market system.

00:55:06.000 I've yet to see a market system really disadvantaging gays and lesbians.

00:55:09.000 We have gay and lesbian day at Disneyland and we do it.

00:55:11.000 We have gay and lesbian days at the ballpark and we have specific gay and lesbian cruises where you really have to be gay and lesbian to go on the cruise.

00:55:17.000 We have gay and lesbian retirement homes.

00:55:19.000 There's a whole market that exists just for gay and lesbian people.

00:55:22.000 So the idea that the market is disadvantaging gay people, and if the Christian baker doesn't want to associate with the gay couple, that they have to, it's just, it's silly towns to me, it doesn't make any sense, and it's a violation of freedom of association.

00:55:35.000 Besides which, it's a violation of freedom.

00:55:36.000 If the idea is you get to cram down on me your version of what society should look like, then I don't understand why Christians shouldn't get to cram down on you what their version of society should look like. 0.99

00:55:46.000 How about we just agree not to cram down our versions of what society should look like on each other, and we leave each other the hell alone?

00:55:52.000 Spencer writes,

00:56:02.000 Well, I mean, I'm not sure that Noam Chomsky has become kind of a leftist establishment figure more than the left has just moved radical.

00:56:09.000 I mean, Bernie Sanders used to be a radical, and now he's establishment, and that's because the entire left moved to the left.

00:56:15.000 So Chomsky's where he always was.

00:56:17.000 I'm not aware that Chomsky has moved to the right in any way.

00:56:20.000 I mean, Chomsky is a legitimate nutcase radical.

00:56:22.000 But I think the entire left has moved left.

00:56:25.000 This is why I don't think the Democratic Party is a liberal party anymore.

00:56:27.000 They're now a full-on leftist party, and they're going to continue to move left.

00:56:30.000 Which, by the way, is one of the reasons why a Trump presidency, if you're a conservative, could actually be harmful.

00:56:36.000 If the reaction to George W. Bush was transformational leftist Barack Obama, imagine what the reaction to Donald Trump will be.

00:56:42.000 We'll actually have Noam Chomsky as president.

00:56:45.000 Chase writes, Coke or Pepsi?

00:56:47.000 Love your show, Ben.

00:56:48.000 Keep it up.

00:56:49.000 You know, I don't drink enough soda.

00:56:50.000 Honestly, I don't drink enough soda to have a clear opinion on this one.

00:56:54.000 As I recall back in my more soda drinking days, I actually did like Pepsi.

00:56:57.000 But there's also two brands of Coke.

00:57:02.000 There's sugar Coke and there's corn syrup Coke.

00:57:04.000 So the Jews, those of us who keep Passover, on Passover we can't use corn syrup.

00:57:10.000 The Ashkenazi Jews, we don't use corn syrup.

00:57:12.000 And so we get the sugar version of the Coke, and the sugar version of the Coke is better than the corn syrup version of the Coke as well.

00:57:19.000 Mitchell writes, Ben!

00:57:21.000 I was talking with a guy at work.

00:57:22.000 We work in a machine shop, which I started doing when I was in high school.

00:57:25.000 The guys like to give me a hard time about being a millennial, which is fine. 0.98

00:57:28.000 I hate my generation, but I'm stuck with them. 0.56

00:57:30.000 Yeah, you shouldn't hate your generation that much.

00:57:31.000 You'll live beyond all the rest of these people because you're young.

00:57:33.000 I told him, I think part of the problem is kids are not forced to become adults at the age of 18 like previous generations.

00:57:38.000 They're allowed to be kids until the age of 26.

00:57:40.000 What are your thoughts?

00:57:41.000 Do you think we need to start forcing people to become adults again at a younger age?

00:57:45.000 Yes, I absolutely think that people should be given responsibility at a younger age.

00:57:48.000 And that doesn't mean that we have to throw people, that we have to throw people immediately into the workforce at age 16, but it does mean that we, that we have to start giving people personal responsibility and training them for how to balance a checkbook, how to have a bank account, how to take care of their siblings at a younger and younger age that they can become responsible human beings a lot younger.

00:58:06.000 Scott says, Ben, do you think that stop and frisk violates the fourth amendment?

00:58:10.000 I do not think stop-and-frisk violates the Fourth Amendment.

00:58:13.000 Fourth Amendment is, and this is live, the reason that if stop-and-frisk doesn't violate the Fourth Amendment, and this is what the Supreme Court has said, I think they're right on this, is because the idea is unreasonable search and seizure is forbidden by the Constitution of the United States.

00:58:27.000 The term is unreasonable search and seizure.

00:58:29.000 So if there's a reason for it, in other words, if there's a rationale for it, if they spot a gun under your coat, they can stop and frisk you.

00:58:35.000 If they just stop you for no reason and frisk you, that's a problem.

00:58:38.000 Which, by the way, is why I think stop and frisk, if there's a reason for the frisk, is not necessarily unconstitutional.

00:58:44.000 But what may be unconstitutional, in my opinion, is alcohol checkpoints.

00:58:48.000 If they just stop every car that's coming along the road.

00:58:50.000 TSA! 0.95

00:58:51.000 It's possible it could be unconstitutional because you're forcing everybody to be stripped down and their luggage searched without any sort of reasonable suspicion.

00:59:01.000 The way that the Supreme Court has gotten around that one is the Supreme Court has said it's a privilege to fly, it's not a right to fly.

00:59:07.000 That's pretty dicey territory.

00:59:10.000 Austin is asking, why do Hispanics flee countries with left policies and then come to America and vote Democrat?

00:59:15.000 Well, it's not just Hispanics. 0.73

00:59:16.000 It's a lot of people who do this, for the same reason that a bunch of people from California flee to Texas and then vote for California's policies.

00:59:22.000 People's politics is bound up more with what they think is right and wrong than what they think is effective and ineffective.

00:59:29.000 So if you grow up in a system where they say the government is supposed to take care of you,

00:59:33.000 Then you're going to come to a new place and you're still going to think the government is supposed to take care of you.

00:59:36.000 This is what polls show for a lot of Hispanic immigrants to the United States.

00:59:40.000 Overwhelmingly, they think that the government is obligated to take care of you if you're sick or if you're out of a job.

00:59:45.000 They think that a big government with large social services is a moral good.

00:59:49.000 Not that it's effective, but that it's a moral good.

00:59:52.000 Also, I think that, you know, if you haven't lived under a fully communist system, I would guarantee you that people who are currently escaping from Venezuela are not going to be voting for Democrats anytime soon.

01:00:00.000 The more extreme the system you lived under, the more you don't want to see anything that remotely resembles it in the next place you live.

01:00:06.000 Rosemary is asking right now, Ben, what governors are worth watching for the next four years?

01:00:10.000 Well, I think Greg Abbott is the one that comes top of the list.

01:00:13.000 Greg Abbott of Texas is the one that comes to mind. 0.93

01:00:17.000 I think Pat McCrory in North Carolina is a real tough hombre, and I think that he's taking a lot of crap, but he's doing a really good job in North Carolina.

01:00:26.000 There are a few other governors who, their names escape me, but there are some up-and-comers for sure.

01:00:32.000 Garrett writes, hey Ben, do you think it's possible to have a true conservative make it to the White House, or is PC culture so bad anyone that campaigns on real conservative values will eventually have to flip so he has a chance of winning the general?

01:00:44.000 I do think the conservative values could win, but I think they have to be conservative values expressed concisely in moral terms.

01:00:51.000 It can't be conservative values are just things like entitlement reform.

01:00:56.000 It's got to be

01:00:58.000 You owe it to yourself to save money for your own retirement and take care of your parents and your children.

01:01:03.000 It's not the job of the government.

01:01:04.000 It's not your job to subsidize anybody else's retirement.

01:01:07.000 If you speak in those terms, I think most people understand that.

01:01:10.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

01:01:10.000 Maybe we've moved beyond the era.

01:01:12.000 Maybe Russia's right. 0.99

01:01:13.000 Maybe we've moved beyond the era when a real conservative can win.

01:01:15.000 I don't believe that's true because I don't think that it's been expressed correctly.

01:01:19.000 I think the conservatives have done a very terrible job of naming the left and shaming the left and pointing out just how evil leftist ideology is.

01:01:26.000 John is writing live, how far should the government go to protect the environment?

01:01:30.000 And the answer is that the government should go far enough to protect the environment so that we don't all die.

01:01:35.000 That's pretty much, I don't think that it's the government's job to get deeply involved in environmental issues that don't have externalities.

01:01:43.000 So a lot of environmental issues do have externalities.

01:01:46.000 If I'm polluting a river and somebody else lives downriver, that's an externality.

01:01:49.000 If I'm polluting the air and other people are breathing the air, that's an externality and government regulation is probably necessary.

01:01:55.000 But if you're talking about just preserving a wild land that nobody is ever going to visit at any point, and there are no real externalities, like they're doing to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, for example, then the government doesn't really have a role in doing that.

01:02:07.000 And the government certainly doesn't have a role in magically renaming things pollution that are not actually pollution, like saying that carbon pollution, carbon emissions, are something the government has to regulate.

01:02:17.000 They don't have any legislative authority to do that.

01:02:20.000 Okay, final question of the day.

01:02:22.000 Let's see.

01:02:23.000 Let's do Alyssa's question.

01:02:26.000 I might have missed it.

01:02:26.000 Why did no one cover Putin's recent law against religious freedom?

01:02:29.000 I've only heard it from friends and colleagues who, like me, have lived temporarily in Russia.

01:02:32.000 Are you aware of the law that came into effect restricting people's right to publicly state their religion?

01:02:36.000 I'm not aware of that.

01:02:37.000 I will check it out.

01:02:39.000 And I would suspect that it hasn't been widely reported in the United States because the Obama administration is busy catering to Putin, and so is Trump.

01:02:46.000 So everybody's too busy catering to Putin to actually call out

01:02:49.000 The things that he's doing that are egregious.

01:02:50.000 Also, when you want to paint somebody as a right-wing ideologue, a right-wing fanatic, like they're trying to paint Putin, then the last thing you want to do is point out that he may actually be a leftist.

01:02:58.000 I mean, the guy who worked for the KGB.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - September 15, 2016

Ep. 181 - Hillary Won't Stop Losing Until She Stops Being Hillary

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