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Ep. 195 - Everybody's a Hypocrite About Sexual Assault


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00:00:00.000 Pretend for just a moment that the media were not shilling on behalf of Hillary Clinton.
00:00:04.000 She'd be in serious trouble.
00:00:05.000 With the massive coordinated hit on Donald Trump unleashed by the mainstream media over his alleged sexual assault and harassment, the quiet implosion of Hillary Clinton's campaign has gone unnoticed.
00:00:15.000 This week, Bill Clinton called Trump's base, quote, your standard redneck.
00:00:18.000 This would normally be relatively crippling.
00:00:19.000 The Clintons have now declared Trump's voters both deplorable and redneck, which isn't particularly smart.
00:00:25.000 That, however, is the least of their worries.
00:00:27.000 The Clinton team, thanks to the subservience of the media, has been able to escape talk of Bill's alleged sexual assaults and Hillary's alleged cover-ups with just a bit of head-shaking and tut-tutting.
00:00:36.000 When Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway appeared on CNN with Breonna Keillor and started attacking the Clintons on these grounds, Keillor brushed her off and redirected to Trump.
00:00:44.000 Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg spent their day on The View on Monday mocking Clinton's alleged victims.
00:00:49.000 We're good.
00:01:09.000 Not smart.
00:01:36.000 Oh, so no corruption then.
00:01:37.000 We also know the Democrats created a fake Catholic organization to create a quote-unquote Catholic Spring, kind of like the Arab Spring, to move the church in wild leftist ways.
00:01:46.000 One of John Podesta's advisors wrote, quote, there needs to be a Catholic Spring in which Catholics themselves demand the end of a Middle Ages dictatorship.
00:01:53.000 Remember, they're talking about the Catholic Church and the beginning of a little democracy and respect for gender equality in the Catholic Church.
00:01:58.000 Is contraceptive coverage an issue around which that could happen?
00:02:01.000 Of course, this idea may just reveal my total lack of understanding of the Catholic Church.
00:02:06.000 Yeah.
00:02:06.000 Another advisor, John Halpin, wrote Podesta, quote, frigging Murdoch, Rupert Murdoch, baptized his kids in Jordan where John the Baptist baptized Jesus.
00:02:15.000 Many of the most powerful elements of the conservative movement are all Catholic, many converts from the SC and think tanks to the media and social groups.
00:02:23.000 It's an amazing bastardization of the faith.
00:02:25.000 They must be attracted to the systematic thought and severely backwards gender relations and must be totally unaware of Christian democracy.
00:02:31.000 Jennifer Palmieri, who's Clinton's communications director, she said the Catholic converts only did so because, quote, they think it is the most socially acceptable, politically conservative religion.
00:02:40.000 Their rich friends wouldn't understand if they became evangelicals.
00:02:43.000 Other messages from WikiLeaks describe Hispanic party leaders as, quote, needy Latinos.
00:02:47.000 All of this would be disastrous for Hillary's campaign if anybody were paying attention.
00:02:51.000 They're not.
00:02:52.000 Unfortunately, neither is Donald Trump.
00:02:54.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
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00:04:39.000 Well, I leave for 24 hours, and every woman west of the Mississippi accuses Donald Trump of groping her.
00:04:46.000 So it's been a busy 24 hours.
00:04:48.000 But I want to start with the fact that, yes, conservatives have a right to be super ticked off about the media coverage of all of this, because it is fully and insanely absurd.
00:05:00.000 The same people who thought that it was not a big deal when Bill Clinton did all of his stuff, now think it's the world's biggest deal when Trump does all his stuff.
00:05:06.000 I think it's a big deal either way, because I'm still one of these people, I know it's quaint, who believes that character matters when it comes to our presidential candidates, but I'm in the minority, obviously.
00:05:15.000 And the WikiLeaks revelations continue to come forth, and I just want to show how the media treat any allegations with regard to Hillary versus how they treat allegations with regard to Trump.
00:05:25.000 So Jennifer Granholm is on, I think she's on MSNBC.
00:05:30.000 And she suggests, on Bloomberg Politics rather, and she suggests that all of this WikiLeaks, there's something nefarious behind it.
00:05:37.000 There's someone behind it.
00:05:38.000 Probably the Russians.
00:05:39.000 You see this report, for example, from Newsweek, from a reporter whose email appeared in this WikiLeaks batch, which was, in fact, manipulated.
00:05:50.000 So the email that comes out is not, in fact, accurate.
00:05:55.000 So you can't even validate that these are true emails.
00:05:58.000 And it gets back to the point about what the heck is Russia doing interfering in our elections.
00:06:04.000 Okay, so she says that it's a conspiracy, and by the way, it probably is, right?
00:06:07.000 The Russians probably are interfering in our elections, and they are using WikiLeaks as their source.
00:06:12.000 Okay, that's true.
00:06:13.000 And the media accept this, right?
00:06:14.000 I mean, they ask questions to Donald Trump in debate about this.
00:06:16.000 James Rosen reports that the WikiLeaks reveal that the DNC and CNN were actually colluding.
00:06:22.000 James Rosen of Fox News, here's his report.
00:06:25.000 Brazil only became interim DNC chair during the party's convention in July, after a WikiLeaks dump of DNC emails revealed pervasive collusion between Brazil's predecessor, Deborah Wasserman Schultz, and the Clinton campaign against the Sanders forces.
00:06:39.000 Today, Brazil said she supported both candidates and, quote, often shared her thoughts with both.
00:06:45.000 As it pertains to the CNN debates, I never had access to questions and would never have shared them with the candidates if I did.
00:06:51.000 The Podesta emails also show Clinton campaign press secretary Brian Fallon, formerly a spokesman for the Department of Justice, getting a heads up from an unnamed DOJ official on the night of May 18th, 2015.
00:07:02.000 Hey Brian, this was filed tonight.
00:07:05.000 Fourteen minutes later, Fallon emailed Clinton confidant Cheryl Mills to relate the tip.
00:07:10.000 DOJ just filed a briefing saying the government proposes releasing HRC's cache of work-related emails in January 2016.
00:07:18.000 Get out!
00:07:19.000 exclaimed Mills.
00:07:20.000 Palmieri then looped in Podesta and Huma Abedin to set a conference call for the morning.
00:07:24.000 This will be a thing tomorrow and she is in front of the press.
00:07:28.000 Okay, so what he's reporting is not only coordination between the media and Clinton, but also between the DOJ and Clinton.
00:07:35.000 And anybody who expresses this is, of course, seen as a kook.
00:07:37.000 If you say that the media is in Hillary's pocket, that's just you being kind of kooky.
00:07:41.000 And if you say that the DOJ and the FBI were working in cahoots with the Clintons and giving them special treatment, that's also kooky.
00:07:48.000 So this sort of thing will drive you nuts.
00:07:49.000 And so when Donald Trump says that the media can't report on the establishment because they are the establishment, he's exactly right, is what he had to say about it.
00:07:56.000 The corporate media can't report on the establishment because the corporate media is the establishment.
00:08:03.000 Such a big part of it.
00:08:05.000 We're going to break up the special interest monopoly and we're going to win this country back for the American people.
00:08:11.000 We're going to do it too.
00:08:13.000 Okay, so what he's saying there is exactly right, and I understand why people are so frustrated.
00:08:17.000 Now, on to the actual issues.
00:08:20.000 So, the big issue of the day is that everybody's a hypocrite.
00:08:22.000 Every person is a hypocrite, okay?
00:08:24.000 The people on the right are hypocrites, the people on the left are hypocrites.
00:08:26.000 The people on the left are hypocrites because they pretend that they care deeply about Donald Trump sexually assaulting people, allegedly.
00:08:32.000 And people on the right are hypocrites because they apparently were lying when they cared about Bill Clinton doing it.
00:08:36.000 Because you don't get to say certain sexual assault victims are better than other sexual assault victims because of the nature of the person who allegedly
00:08:43.000 We're good to go.
00:09:08.000 I've been right about a lot of things.
00:09:09.000 Here's the thing I was right about.
00:09:10.000 So if you recall, back on Monday, we were reviewing the debate, and I said that this was the key moment of the debate.
00:09:15.000 Here's this exchange.
00:09:17.000 Just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent?
00:09:25.000 I have great respect for women.
00:09:27.000 Nobody has more respect for women than I do.
00:09:29.000 So for the record, you're saying you never did that?
00:09:33.000 You hear these things, they said.
00:09:35.000 And I was embarrassed by it, but I have tremendous respect for women.
00:09:39.000 Have you ever done those things?
00:09:40.000 And women have respect for me.
00:09:41.000 And I will tell you, no I have not.
00:09:43.000 Okay, so no, he has not done any of those things, right?
00:09:46.000 And I said at the time, I said it in real time, I tweeted it out, this exchange was the setup, and the rest of the week would be the punchline.
00:09:52.000 Remember I said this, I said this on the show, and we could pull the tape, I have the tweets to prove it, okay?
00:09:57.000 And naturally, that's exactly what happens.
00:09:59.000 The media then dumps every accuser that's going to accuse Trump of having groped them, or kissed them without permission, or any of the rest of it.
00:10:06.000 So the Trump people are getting out in front of this.
00:10:10.000 These allegations are decades old.
00:10:11.000 If somebody actually did that, Chris,
00:10:25.000 Any reasonable woman would have come forward and said something.
00:10:28.000 Isn't that trivializing sexual assault?
00:10:30.000 Do you think that sexual assault doesn't happen?
00:10:32.000 In the New York Times piece itself, it mentions at the very end, gee how convenient, that both of these women are Hillary Clinton supporters and Hillary Clinton donors.
00:10:41.000 Forgive me for not finding this credible.
00:10:43.000 Okay, so, she says it's not credible, and none—okay, so here's what I'm going to do, okay?
00:10:48.000 And it's—the problem with this argument is, of course, it works the opposite way.
00:10:51.000 Kathleen Willey doesn't like Hillary and probably won't vote for her, as far as I know.
00:10:55.000 Neither does Paul Jones.
00:10:56.000 Neither does Juanita Broderick.
00:10:57.000 All these people have sided with Trump.
00:10:58.000 So, this argument works both ways.
00:11:00.000 And here's where we get into the hypocrisy argument on both sides, and it really is kind of gross.
00:11:05.000 I'm just going to show you tape of the women, and you tell me whether you think they're credible.
00:11:08.000 So here's Jessica Leeds.
00:11:09.000 This is one of the women who accuses Trump of having groped her.
00:11:12.000 And here is her telling her story to the New York Times.
00:11:14.000 And the New York Times, of course, running with this in a way they never would with Juanita Broderick.
00:11:18.000 You suppress it.
00:11:20.000 It's not part of your active thinking every day.
00:11:23.000 But you don't forget.
00:11:24.000 You're all over me.
00:11:28.000 It wasn't until they cleared the meal that
00:11:33.000 Somehow or another, the armrest in the seat disappeared.
00:11:39.000 And it was a real shock when all of a sudden his hands were all over me.
00:11:45.000 He started encroaching on my space.
00:11:48.000 And I hesitate to use this expression, but I'm going to.
00:11:52.000 And that is, he was like an octopus.
00:11:54.000 It was like he had six arms.
00:11:56.000 He was all over the place.
00:11:57.000 And if he had stuck with
00:12:00.000 The upper part of the body.
00:12:02.000 I might not have gotten that upset.
00:12:08.000 But it's when he started putting his hand up my skirt.
00:12:11.000 And that was it.
00:12:13.000 That was it.
00:12:16.000 I was out of there.
00:12:18.000 Okay, so that's her story.
00:12:19.000 You either find it credible or you don't.
00:12:21.000 Okay, but that's not the only story.
00:12:22.000 So former Miss Utah, she says that Trump came up to her and kissed her without permission.
00:12:26.000 I remember him walking over.
00:12:27.000 My dad was very confident, and he really admired Donald Trump.
00:12:31.000 And so he went over and introduced himself first, and then he introduced me.
00:12:35.000 And it was at that time where he turned to me and embraced me and gave me a kiss on the lips.
00:12:40.000 And I remember being shocked, because I would have just thought to shake somebody's hand, but that was his first response with me.
00:12:48.000 And I remember, I mean, I was very young, and I remember feeling kind of embarrassed, like wanting to turn and almost wipe my mouth.
00:12:56.000 OK, and so that's her story.
00:12:57.000 You can either believe it or you can't.
00:12:58.000 But again, the reason this is now being brought up is because of this tape from last week that Trump, with Trump bragging that he does exactly this, that he can grope women, that he can kiss them without their permission.
00:13:08.000 And these are not the only two women who are now alleging any of this.
00:13:11.000 I mean, there's like a long list of women who are alleging this.
00:13:15.000 There's a bunch of teen beauty queens who are now alleging that Donald Trump walked into the dressing room while contestants as young as 15 were changing the form of Miss Vermont Teen USA.
00:13:24.000 I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, oh my god, there's a man in here.
00:13:28.000 Which, by the way, Trump's best solution here would probably be to just say, I was identifying as female at the time.
00:13:33.000 Because we've learned that if you do that and you're a man, then it's totally fine.
00:13:36.000 Then actually it would be a civil rights violation for her to get offended.
00:13:39.000 But, uh, three other women who asked to remain anonymous for fear of getting engulfed in a media firestorm also remembered Trump entering the dressing room while girls were changing.
00:13:46.000 Two of them said the girls rushed to cover their bodies, with one calling it shocking and creepy.
00:13:50.000 The third said she was clothed and introduced herself to Trump.
00:13:53.000 Okay, here are some of the other allegations that have come out.
00:13:55.000 And as I said, this was all a setup from the beginning.
00:13:58.000 Anderson Cooper asked this question, so now it doesn't just look like Trump did these things, it looks like Trump lied about doing these things, which is even worse.
00:14:04.000 Okay, there's a girl named Jill Hearth, a woman named Jill Hearth, she says in 1992,
00:14:09.000 That she filed a lawsuit in 97 saying Trump made a series of lewd comments about her, groped her, and raped her.
00:14:14.000 She withdrew her lawsuit as part of a confidential settlement.
00:14:16.000 For several months in 1998, Hearth and Trump dated, apparently after the lawsuit, so that's weird.
00:14:23.000 And then she says she tried to bury the hatchet and reached out to him.
00:14:26.000 That one does not seem as credible, just because you don't date people who have raped you typically, but it's possible.
00:14:32.000 Temple Taggart, 1997.
00:14:33.000 She says she was 21 when she was Miss Utah.
00:14:36.000 He kissed me directly on the lips.
00:14:38.000 I thought, oh my God, gross.
00:14:39.000 He was married to Marla Maples at the time.
00:14:41.000 I think there were a few other girls he kissed on the mouth.
00:14:42.000 I was like, wow, that's inappropriate.
00:14:44.000 Rachel Crooks in 2005, she said she was working as a receptionist for a development company, and one time she saw Trump waiting for an elevator.
00:14:50.000 She introduced herself.
00:14:51.000 She told The Times they shook hands.
00:14:52.000 He began kissing her on the cheeks and directly on the mouth.
00:14:54.000 She said, it was so inappropriate.
00:14:55.000 I was so upset.
00:14:56.000 He thought I was so insignificant he could do this.
00:14:58.000 A writer for People Magazine wrote a story yesterday about visiting Mar-a-Lago.
00:15:02.000 She said that
00:15:03.000 They were doing a story about Melania Trump being pregnant on their first anniversary and she said,
00:15:20.000 Cassandra Searles from 2013.
00:15:22.000 She says that Trump treated pageant contestants like property.
00:15:25.000 She said he groped her repeatedly, asked her to come up to his hotel room.
00:15:28.000 He probably doesn't want me telling this story about that time he continually grabbed my ass and invited me to his hotel room, she wrote in a Facebook comment.
00:15:35.000 So, there are lots of allegations now, and the allegations are coming fast and furious.
00:15:39.000 So, the Trump team is responding with denials, which is kind of normal.
00:15:44.000 The problem is, the question is, do you believe any of this is believable?
00:15:47.000 So we can take each of these allegations individually.
00:15:50.000 When there's a huge number of women who are now saying it, though, you enter into Bill Clinton, who was never prosecuted, Bill Cosby territory, right?
00:15:57.000 You do.
00:15:57.000 I mean, you just—the bulk of allegations make it more believable, plus the fact that Trump makes jokes about this kind of behavior all the time.
00:16:04.000 The media's making a big deal.
00:16:05.000 By the way, not all of these things are a big deal.
00:16:07.000 Like, for example, here's a tape of Donald Trump joking about a 10-year-old.
00:16:11.000 He did this, I guess, in 1992.
00:16:13.000 And the media are making a big deal out of this.
00:16:15.000 This is one I don't think is a big deal.
00:16:17.000 Thursday night.
00:16:17.000 You're going up the escalator?
00:16:19.000 I'm going to be dating her in 10 years.
00:16:21.000 Can you believe it?
00:16:23.000 So he says to some 10-year-old girl, he says, I'm going to be dating her in 10 years.
00:16:28.000 OK, that's obviously him joking about the fact that he dates younger women.
00:16:31.000 It's not him trying to.
00:16:32.000 He didn't say, I want to date her now, which would be child molestation, presumably.
00:16:35.000 He said, I want to date her in 10 years.
00:16:38.000 Is it pleasant?
00:16:38.000 No.
00:16:38.000 But this is a guy who's also joked about having sex with his daughter.
00:16:41.000 So it's kind of his sense of humor.
00:16:44.000 All of this is true.
00:16:45.000 Now, the way that the Clintons respond to all of this is just by suggesting that it's crazy that he does all of this.
00:16:52.000 Because they're hypocrites.
00:16:53.000 They do the exact same thing, and they're giant, giant hypocrites.
00:16:56.000 Right?
00:16:56.000 Trump says all this stuff.
00:16:57.000 He does all this stuff.
00:16:58.000 The Clintons, you know, the Clintons act as though all of this is wildly new to them.
00:17:04.000 How could anyone act like this?
00:17:05.000 And, of course, they act like this all the time.
00:17:07.000 We'll get to the Clintons in just a second, and the hypocrisy from the other side of the aisle.
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00:18:05.000 Okay, so, meanwhile, Bill Clinton's on the trail, and Bill Clinton's been hit with all these allegations because the Trump team has said, we're going to go to war on the Clinton allegations, which they sort of have to do at this point.
00:18:15.000 They don't have a choice.
00:18:16.000 The only other thing they could do, I think this would be a smarter move,
00:18:19.000 Would be just to say, OK, if it's nonsense, just deny it.
00:18:22.000 Say it's not true.
00:18:24.000 And then say, why don't we talk about the real issues?
00:18:25.000 Instead, they're starting an open war over sexual assault allegations.
00:18:30.000 The problem is that it's already baked into the cake for the Clintons.
00:18:32.000 We've known for 20 years that Hillary covered up for Bill's sexual assaults or alleged sexual assaults.
00:18:37.000 We know that Bill committed these sexual assaults or allegedly did.
00:18:40.000 And so it's already baked into the cake.
00:18:42.000 And so that gives the Clintons the ability to just sort of shrug at it.
00:18:45.000 They just sort of shrug at it.
00:18:46.000 So here's Bill Clinton shrugging at all of this.
00:18:49.000 I thought much more about her than I did about him.
00:18:53.000 I'm beyond being moved or surprised.
00:18:58.000 He says, I'm beyond being moved or surprised.
00:18:59.000 I just can't believe they would treat me this way.
00:19:02.000 Yeah, Bill, well, at least Donald Trump wasn't putting you in the back of the Oval Office and then groping you or pulling out his ding-dong and saying, kiss it, as you allegedly did.
00:19:10.000 I mean, this is, it's bad stuff.
00:19:13.000 Now, the media's granting all sorts of credibility, tons and tons of credibility to all of the accusers of Trump.
00:19:18.000 Here's one accuser of Clinton that they're just absolutely ignoring, no matter that she's out there speaking openly.
00:19:24.000 Now, here's Juanita Broderick, who accuses Bill Clinton of having raped her in 1978, and then Hillary Clinton of having intimidated her afterward.
00:19:31.000 Here's Broderick.
00:19:31.000 This is an interview with Breitbart News, the Trump official outlet.
00:19:36.000 And I knew I had to get out of there.
00:19:38.000 Well, just as he moved, here comes Hillary straight for me.
00:19:43.000 And she gets to me and she starts saying, I just want to thank you for everything you were doing in Bill's campaign.
00:19:52.000 And it's so nice to meet you and all of these things.
00:19:54.000 So I just nodded and told my friend, let's go.
00:19:57.000 And I thought somebody from behind had grabbed ahold of my arm.
00:20:02.000 But it was her.
00:20:03.000 She grabbed ahold of my arm and my hand, and she pulls me into her, and she says with this very angry look on her face, which had been so pleasant seconds before, and in a low voice, says, do you understand everything you do?
00:20:22.000 And that frightened me.
00:20:24.000 Do you think at that point she knew that Bill Clinton raped you, or do you just think that she knew something happened?
00:20:31.000 What do you think she knew?
00:20:46.000 I feel like she knew.
00:20:47.000 That he ripped you.
00:20:48.000 Yes, and that she was telling me to keep quiet.
00:20:52.000 Keep quiet about her husband.
00:20:53.000 Okay, so we can stop it there.
00:20:55.000 So this allegation comes forward and the media, of course, ignores it completely.
00:20:58.000 We have to break there, but I want to talk about the media hypocrisy, which I think is a huge story here, over at dailywire.com.
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00:21:45.000 Okay, so the media reaction to all of this, you got these dueling narratives, right?
00:21:48.000 You got the narrative of the accusers from Trump and the accusers of Hillary Clinton.
00:21:52.000 And what you see is that the media are completely ignoring the accusers about Hillary and Bill.
00:21:57.000 Partially, that's because Hillary's not the one who actually did the sexual—the alleged sexual assault and harassment.
00:22:02.000 She's just the one who intimidated, and that's a little bit more attenuated.
00:22:06.000 It's slightly more attenuated.
00:22:07.000 But part of that is because they just love the Clintons and they hate the Trumps.
00:22:11.000 And so you can see that in real time.
00:22:13.000 Here is Kellyanne Conway, the spokesperson for the Trump campaign, campaign manager, versus Breonna Keillor on CNN.
00:22:19.000 I referred to this exchange a little bit earlier.
00:22:21.000 It really is pretty egregious.
00:22:23.000 He's describing that himself.
00:22:24.000 And yes, I understand that you are his current campaign manager, but the purview of your job extends beyond that.
00:22:31.000 He is responsible for what he's said in the past.
00:22:34.000 What do you make of this?
00:22:36.000 Of course, what do you make of this?
00:22:39.000 I can't comment on what she's saying because I'm not her and I wasn't in the pageant or any other pageant.
00:22:52.000 Okay, but your candidate is talking about how he did what she described.
00:22:55.000 Yeah, I heard you.
00:22:56.000 Okay.
00:22:57.000 Well, no, he didn't say what she described was pretty graphic and detailed, so let's not conflate the two.
00:23:03.000 I heard what she said and I heard what he said.
00:23:05.000 And the fact is that all you want to do, it seems, is talk about something he said 10, 15 years ago, and yet we never ever want to talk, particularly CNN, where we've offered up these women to you, we never want to talk to the women who were shamed and blamed by Hillary Clinton because they had sexual contact with her husband, some consensual, long-time affairs, of course, including in the White House, and then others, victims of predatory conduct.
00:23:30.000 That somehow is not relevant.
00:23:32.000 But Donald Trump on Howard Stern's show is relevant.
00:23:35.000 And you want me to believe that a critical mass of Americans agrees with that?
00:23:40.000 Nah, not really.
00:23:41.000 Never at the volume, never at the volume of the fever pitch here.
00:23:45.000 So is she.
00:23:45.000 She's awful to those women.
00:23:56.000 We have fact-checked that if you go on CNN.com.
00:23:59.000 We've gone painstakingly through the very claims you're talking about, and we found that they were exaggerated.
00:24:05.000 So I want to talk to you about your candidate.
00:24:07.000 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, what was exaggerated?
00:24:09.000 I'm sorry, what is exaggerated?
00:24:10.000 No, I'm talking to you about this.
00:24:11.000 I'm sorry, what is exaggerated?
00:24:13.000 Oh, you don't want to talk about it?
00:24:15.000 That's my point.
00:24:15.000 What was exaggerated?
00:24:16.000 Juanita Broderick's rape claim is exaggerated?
00:24:19.000 Paula Jones getting $850,000 in a sexual harassment settlement
00:24:25.000 Is exaggerated?
00:24:27.000 I'm asking you about your, I'm asking you about your candidate.
00:24:30.000 I know.
00:24:31.000 So when he, when he describes this.
00:24:33.000 Okay.
00:24:34.000 And that's exactly, and Kellyanne Conway, who, you know, she's exactly right.
00:24:38.000 She's exactly, I've had some really harsh words for her this week.
00:24:41.000 She is 100% right on this.
00:24:42.000 The media are interested only and solely in Donald Trump.
00:24:44.000 And you can see that she, I mean, like what basis does she have for saying that these other women's claims are exaggerated?
00:24:50.000 I haven't seen anything on CNN.com explaining what Juanita Broderick said that was exaggerated or debunked or anything.
00:24:55.000 But again, the media are interested only in one side of this particular debate.
00:25:00.000 And it's not just Breonna Keller.
00:25:01.000 Anderson Cooper did the same thing with a Trump defender.
00:25:05.000 But in this case, he's pointing out the hypocrisy of the Trump defenders.
00:25:08.000 It just doesn't seem like it.
00:25:10.000 You can bet Juanita Broderick means nothing to her.
00:25:12.000 Do you think, well, how do you know that?
00:25:15.000 I mean, if that's her ground, why didn't she talk about it?
00:25:19.000 Why didn't she say, if groping me is bad, raping Juanita Broderick is not so good?
00:25:25.000 I mean, she didn't go there, did she?
00:25:28.000 Right?
00:25:28.000 I don't even understand that.
00:25:29.000 I'm not sure I understand.
00:25:31.000 First of all, that was an interview about what she said was an incident that happened to her.
00:25:34.000 You're saying you wanted her to talk about Juanita Broderick in that interview?
00:25:37.000 I'm saying, if we're going to get into the entire issue of this,
00:25:40.000 Then we have to deal with the entire issue.
00:25:42.000 And, of course, this comes back to Hillary Clinton.
00:25:43.000 I guess my question is, why do you believe Juanita Broderick and you don't believe these two women?
00:25:49.000 All I'm saying is, give them the equal forum.
00:25:51.000 I mean, these four women... We've just reported them.
00:25:55.000 We've reported on Juanita Broderick.
00:25:56.000 Anderson, the New York Times is not going to sit down and do a long sit-down with Juanita Broderick.
00:26:01.000 There's a story in TMZ today about
00:26:05.000 NBC executives having this tape, this last tape that was released, for months.
00:26:09.000 And they held it deliberately.
00:26:11.000 So everybody is actually sort of right here, right?
00:26:13.000 I mean, he's saying you guys are hypocrites because you won't cover Broderick, and Anderson Cooper's saying you're a hypocrite because you think Broderick's telling the truth and these other women are lying.
00:26:20.000 And they're all right!
00:26:21.000 Everybody's a hypocrite.
00:26:21.000 Everybody's a hypocrite.
00:26:22.000 Because they all pretend that sexual assault matters to them, and it doesn't matter to any of them so long as the person who's actually doing the sexual assault agrees with them on politics.
00:26:30.000 And it really is pretty gross.
00:26:33.000 And, you know, this is all devolving, you know.
00:26:36.000 Ben Carson, for example, he says that this is a—he just dismisses out of hand the Trump allegations about unwanted advances.
00:26:44.000 You know, there's an atmosphere that's been created by the New York Times and others that says, look, if you're willing to come out and say something, we'll give you fame, we'll give you whatever you need.
00:26:57.000 What a bunch of crap.
00:26:58.000 You know, but the people have to see through this because, again, the train is going off the cliff.
00:27:04.000 Our country's going off the cliff financially and in so many other ways.
00:27:08.000 If we don't deal with this stuff now, our children are completely going to be disadvantaged.
00:27:13.000 Okay, I don't know what basis Ben Carson, a religious Christian, has for saying that these women are lying, but he just spills it right out there.
00:27:19.000 He just says straight out that they're lying, which of course is doing wonderful work on behalf of the Republican idea that there isn't sexism and that sexual assault abusers are not being victimized by people who simply doubt their story for no apparent reason.
00:27:30.000 It's just—it's egregious.
00:27:32.000 Katrina Pierson does the same thing on national TV.
00:27:34.000 She's not Kellyanne Conway, which means she's not smart.
00:27:36.000 And so, Katrina Pierson, spokesperson for Donald Trump, here's what she says about the—her defense of Donald Trump against the charges by that woman that Trump was trying to grope her up the skirt.
00:27:47.000 We're talking about the early 1980s, Don.
00:27:49.000 Seriously.
00:27:50.000 Back then, you had planes.
00:27:51.000 What?
00:27:52.000 A DC-9, a DC-10, an MD-80, 707, and maybe an L-1011.
00:27:57.000 But she said specifically this was to New York.
00:28:00.000 And this is what's important, so we can X out the L-1011 and the DC-10.
00:28:03.000 Guess what?
00:28:05.000 First class seats have fixed armrests.
00:28:08.000 So what I can tell you about her story, if she was broke on a plane,
00:28:12.000 Katrina, we'll get our aviation expert here to talk about the airplanes.
00:28:17.000 How could it happen?
00:28:19.000 Explain how that happens.
00:28:20.000 There are fixed seats on first class.
00:28:22.000 So if it happened, it wasn't by Donald Trump, and it wasn't in first class.
00:28:25.000 Katrina, there are more than six seats in first class.
00:28:27.000 Sometimes there are... She said fixed.
00:28:29.000 Fixed, I thought she said six seats.
00:28:30.000 But listen, I'm not gonna... F-I-X-E-D.
00:28:34.000 Okay, we don't know what kind of plane they were on, we don't know what the seats were like, so I'm not going to argue about that.
00:28:40.000 That's not all the options, okay?
00:28:41.000 Donald Trump had his own plane.
00:28:43.000 Katrina, I'm not going to argue about an airplane now.
00:28:46.000 Let's talk about the woman here who says she's a victim.
00:28:50.000 You're asking about her story.
00:28:52.000 It's false.
00:28:53.000 What did these women have to gain by coming out?
00:28:56.000 Here's why she said she finally spoke out.
00:28:57.000 Fame?
00:28:58.000 That woman look like she's looking for fame?
00:28:59.000 I don't think so.
00:29:01.000 OK, Katrina Pearson sitting around talking about women seeking fame is pretty astonishing.
00:29:06.000 Again, if your best argument here is that there was a fixed seat on the aircraft, OK, what does that do about the other dozen allegations that have happened?
00:29:14.000 Also, I'm sorry, but Katrina Pearson does not strike me as an expert in all of the various models of plane that were flying in whenever this thing was supposed to have occurred.
00:29:23.000 And nobody's being fair-minded about any of this.
00:29:25.000 Nobody's being fair-minded about any of this.
00:29:27.000 Either you believe all of it or you believe none of it, is sort of my view on this.
00:29:30.000 Either it's all true or it's all false.
00:29:31.000 My tendency is to believe that it's all true, or at least large swaths that are true, on both sides.
00:29:36.000 That Donald Trump is who his accusers say he is, and that Bill Clinton is who his accusers say he is.
00:29:40.000 And so this brings us to, this brings us to the real problem.
00:29:45.000 And that is, I'm old enough to remember when Republicans used to say things like character in the presidency mattered.
00:29:52.000 Maybe it doesn't.
00:29:53.000 Maybe it just doesn't anymore.
00:29:54.000 Jerry Falwell Jr.
00:29:55.000 over at Liberty University.
00:29:57.000 He was asked on Aaron Burnett's show on CNN about voting for Donald Trump even if these New York Times reports were true.
00:30:04.000 And here was Jerry Falwell's answer on all of this.
00:30:07.000 I do just want to get an answer from you directly about how you feel about this.
00:30:10.000 If these things happened, would you still support him?
00:30:13.000 Would you still vote for him if these things happened?
00:30:18.000 I can't answer a hypothetical question you're saying.
00:30:22.000 If he murdered somebody, would I forgive him?
00:30:23.000 That's like asking something as ridiculous as that.
00:30:25.000 These are allegations.
00:30:25.000 These are women saying it with their names.
00:30:28.000 I've been open about this.
00:30:29.000 I want to say it again.
00:30:30.000 I've known him for a long time.
00:30:31.000 I've never experienced anything like this from him.
00:30:33.000 He's been professional.
00:30:34.000 I do know someone very well who did get kissed by Donald Trump without his consent.
00:30:40.000 That was in 2010.
00:30:42.000 So yes, I'm giving you a hypothetical because these women are coming forth and telling their story and he says it isn't true.
00:30:46.000 But I'm saying to you, if what they say is true, does Jerry Falwell Jr.
00:30:50.000 vote for Donald Trump?
00:30:53.000 I'm going to vote for Donald Trump because I believe he's the best qualified to be president of the United States.
00:30:58.000 And I'm not going to say anything to besmirch the character of any of these women.
00:31:02.000 It's the heat of an election.
00:31:04.000 It's four weeks away from election day.
00:31:08.000 And everybody's in a frenzy.
00:31:11.000 And so we have to keep that in mind.
00:31:14.000 The New York Times is very anti-Trump.
00:31:17.000 And I believe the statement that was just released.
00:31:19.000 They absolutely deny all the allegations.
00:31:22.000 Okay, so he says it right there.
00:31:24.000 I mean, he just says that even if it were true that Donald Trump was groping women against their will, he'd still vote for him because he's the best candidate for the presidency.
00:31:31.000 Which, by the way, is a plausible position.
00:31:34.000 I'm not going to say that I think it's a fully moral position, because I don't think it is, but it's a plausible position.
00:31:39.000 The other person who's making this case, although not in the same terms, is Eric Metaxas.
00:31:43.000 So Eric Metaxas is a very smart guy.
00:31:46.000 He has a show on Salem Radio Network, which does my morning show.
00:31:50.000 And he has a column in the Wall Street Journal today about exactly this issue, and it's called, Should Christians Vote for Trump?
00:31:56.000 I heard him on Dennis Prager's show this morning talking about it.
00:32:01.000 And I just want to read some of this column, because I think that it's telling about how the hypocrisy has now entered into every arena of American life.
00:32:10.000 And Falwell is the clearest example here because he, I assume, still proclaims, as his dad did, that there is a moral majority that cares about character and not just policy.
00:32:18.000 That character and policy are at least partially inseparable.
00:32:22.000 Not totally inseparable, but partially inseparable.
00:32:24.000 The reason character matters.
00:32:26.000 The reason character matters is because in order for us to believe a politician, the fundamental go-to is that politicians lie for personal gain.
00:32:32.000 Right?
00:32:32.000 That's what we all believe about politicians.
00:32:34.000 The reason we believe character matters is because character matters not in terms of who's going to babysit your kids, we don't care about that, but in terms of who is going to fulfill their promises to do things that you believe are moral with the government.
00:32:46.000 Or who's going to do things that you agree with with the government.
00:32:49.000 They have to be plausible, they have to be believable, they have to be people who don't lie.
00:32:53.000 You know, these are certain basic things.
00:32:55.000 Like, there are certain aspects of character that you probably don't care about.
00:32:58.000 I mean, there are certain things that you might consider a sin or that you might consider a character foible that you don't care about.
00:33:03.000 For example, somebody has a potty mouth.
00:33:05.000 That's probably something that you don't care about very much because it doesn't impact their level of honesty.
00:33:10.000 But it does impact your level of honesty if you go out there and you say that you've never abused women and then you've abused women for years.
00:33:16.000 Or you've abused women and then you've had your wife cover it up.
00:33:19.000 Or you've gone out there and abused your position of power, right, which is what the Clintons have done and that's what the allegations are, with Trump going into the Miss Universe contestant hall and then abusing your power with these young girls, 15 years old.
00:33:31.000 That's a problem.
00:33:32.000 That's the character argument.
00:33:35.000 We've now apparently reached the point, the Democrats were at in 1999, forget about his character, he has our policies, right?
00:33:41.000 This is what Nina Burleigh said and all the conservatives made fun of her.
00:33:44.000 All the conservatives made fun of her.
00:33:45.000 She said, I think that we should all be getting on our knees and favoring Bill Clinton for keeping abortion legal.
00:33:52.000 In other words, it doesn't matter what he does so long as he does what I want him to do.
00:33:56.000 You know, the question is, when it comes to character, does it matter as a human being?
00:33:59.000 Does it matter as a religious person?
00:34:00.000 And does it matter in a politician?
00:34:02.000 And it seems that we're increasingly coming down on the same side the Democrats came down on in 1998 in order to justify quote-unquote our guy.
00:34:09.000 So here's Eric Metaxas today sort of making this case.
00:34:12.000 Not in the same way as Falwell.
00:34:13.000 Falwell actually says,
00:34:15.000 You know, Falwell will actually go out of his way to sort of excuse some of Trump's behavior, which is pretty crazy.
00:34:20.000 Metaxas doesn't do that.
00:34:21.000 But what Metaxas does do is he falls back on this lesser of two evils argument.
00:34:25.000 And so he basically says, well character is character, but she also has a character and her character is worse.
00:34:28.000 He says, this question should hardly require an essay, but let's face it.
00:34:32.000 We're living in strange times.
00:34:33.000 America is in trouble.
00:34:35.000 Over this past year, many of Donald Trump's comments have made me almost literally hopping mad.
00:34:39.000 The hot mic comments from 2005 are especially horrifying.
00:34:42.000 And then he says, we have a very knotty and larger problem.
00:34:44.000 What if the other candidate also has deal breakers, even a whole deplorable basketball?
00:34:49.000 Suddenly things become horribly awkward.
00:34:50.000 Would God want me to simply not vote?
00:34:52.000 Is that a serious option?
00:34:54.000 What if not pulling the lever for Mr. Trump effectively means electing someone who has actively enabled sexual predation in her husband before and while he was president?
00:35:01.000 Won't God hold me responsible for that?
00:35:03.000 What if she defended a man who raped a 12-year-old and, in recalling the case, laughed about getting away with it?
00:35:07.000 Will I be excused for letting this person become our president?
00:35:10.000 What if she used her position as Secretary of State to funnel hundreds of millions into her own foundation, much of it from nations that treat women and gay people worse than dogs?
00:35:18.000 Since these things are true, can I escape responsibility for them simply by not voting?
00:35:22.000 Many say they won't vote because choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.
00:35:25.000 But this is sophistry.
00:35:26.000 Neither candidate is pure evil.
00:35:28.000 They are human beings.
00:35:29.000 We cannot escape the uncomfortable obligation to soberly choose between them.
00:35:32.000 Not voting, or voting for a third candidate who cannot win, is a rationalization designed more than anything to assuage our consciences.
00:35:38.000 He's saying neither of them is totally evil, so there's a lesser of two evils election.
00:35:42.000 Except then he goes on to characterize Hillary Clinton as totally evil.
00:35:45.000 He makes a comparison.
00:35:46.000 He says, two heroes about whom I've written face similar difficulties.
00:35:49.000 He's now violating his own logic a second ago where he said the lesser of two evils doesn't apply because neither candidate is totally evil.
00:36:15.000 And then he immediately says, this is like preventing slavery.
00:36:18.000 In other words, Hillary Clinton is evil.
00:36:19.000 And then he compares Hillary Clinton to Hitler.
00:36:21.000 He says, the anti-Nazi martyr Dietrich Bonhoeffer also did things most Christians of his day were disgusted by.
00:36:26.000 He most infamously joined a plot to kill the head of his government.
00:36:29.000 He was horrified by it, but he did it nonetheless because he knew that to stay morally pure would allow the murder of millions to continue.
00:36:34.000 Doing nothing or merely praying was not an option.
00:36:36.000 He understood God was merciful and that even if his actions were wrong, God saw his heart and could forgive him, but he knew he must act.
00:36:43.000 And he finishes off this column by saying, In other words, you're a bad religious person if you don't vote for Donald Trump.
00:37:03.000 Jesus, God, whichever, Jewish, Christian, Allah, you're not going to be forgiven as a religious human being, particularly Christians, those who he's talking to.
00:37:11.000 So Christ will not forgive you if you don't vote for Donald Trump, because Donald Trump is the lesser of two evils.
00:37:16.000 Here is C.S.
00:37:17.000 Lewis on the lesser of two evils in mere Christianity.
00:37:20.000 I feel a strong desire to tell you, and I expect you feel a strong desire to tell me, which of these two errors is the worst.
00:37:25.000 That is the devil getting at us.
00:37:27.000 He always sends errors into the world in pairs.
00:37:29.000 Pairs of opposites.
00:37:30.000 And he always encourages us to spend a lot of time thinking about which is the worst.
00:37:33.000 You see why, of course.
00:37:34.000 He relies on your extra dislike of the one error to draw you gradually into the opposite one.
00:37:39.000 But do not let us be fooled.
00:37:40.000 We have to keep our eyes on the goal and go straight through between both errors.
00:37:43.000 We have no other concern than that with either of them.
00:37:47.000 In other words, you have to keep calling out badness where you see badness.
00:37:50.000 Now, I think that Metaxas is calling out badness, but the problem is that when he says that Trump is still the lesser of two evils, and then compares Hillary to Hitler, in the end what he's basically doing, and he's not saying Hillary's Hitler, but effectively his argument is that Hillary is the evil that we must avoid.
00:38:05.000 He's doing a couple of things that are logically problematic.
00:38:09.000 One is he's assuming that this is an election in isolation.
00:38:12.000 He's assuming that your vote in this election between Trump and Hillary is the only thing that matters, right?
00:38:16.000 There's no external consequences to how people vote.
00:38:19.000 Now, for the ordinary voter, maybe that's true.
00:38:21.000 It's not true for Eric Metaxas.
00:38:23.000 When Eric Metaxas endorses the idea,
00:38:26.000 Trump above Hillary, what he's actually doing is he's saying to an enormous group of people all across the country, he may not mean it this way and it's not his fault, but this is how it's going to be interpreted, that Donald Trump's moral standards do not matter to him because he stands for things with which Eric Metaxas agrees.
00:38:42.000 Even though he's not plausible, even though he has no character.
00:38:44.000 So character doesn't matter.
00:38:45.000 Only policy matters.
00:38:46.000 You're voting for policy, you're not voting for character.
00:38:48.000 Except that the character of the person has an impact on the policies they're going to implement.
00:38:53.000 Whether we can believe them or not, Metaxas just assumes away that everything Trump says is honest and true.
00:38:59.000 Second of all, the fact is that most people are not like Metaxas or Prager, people who are going to criticize Donald Trump.
00:39:05.000 Most people are more like Jerry Falwell Jr., in the sense that they're going to start justifying a lot of bad things Trump has done, and in the end, rip away the moral essence that is the heart of conservatism, in order to get an incrementally better guy for the next four years, theoretically.
00:39:18.000 That's the argument, anyway.
00:39:20.000 Here's the biggest problem I have with all of this.
00:39:22.000 Okay?
00:39:23.000 And here's why I agree with C.S.
00:39:24.000 Lewis.
00:39:26.000 When it comes to the idea that character matters, either it does or it doesn't.
00:39:30.000 If character does not matter at all, and that's really what we're talking about here, because Trump has no character, Hillary has no character, arguing differences of character between them is like arguing the differences between Coke and Pepsi, essentially, except if both were made of crap.
00:39:44.000 So it's—neither of them has any character that's worth speaking about.
00:39:48.000 They both are characterless individuals trying to pretend that Hillary is a worse character than Trump, is ignoring how bad Trump is, trying to pretend that Trump is a worse character than Hillary, is ignoring how bad Hillary is.
00:39:57.000 And so you say, OK, fine, so we just won't talk character.
00:39:59.000 We'll just talk policy.
00:40:00.000 Except for the fact that if you think character matters at all, then you cannot have someone who is characterless that you put your imprimatur of decency on.
00:40:10.000 If all it comes down to is just the policies that these people lie about,
00:40:14.000 Then fine.
00:40:15.000 Then fine.
00:40:15.000 Why don't we just, from now on, we won't even pretend that any of this matters.
00:40:18.000 Maybe that's the world that we're getting to.
00:40:20.000 We won't pretend that any of this matters.
00:40:21.000 You can act however you want so long as you stand for the quote-unquote right things.
00:40:25.000 And even if you don't stand for those right things, you say you stand for those right things, so you're believable.
00:40:29.000 If character no longer matters at all, and that seems to be the direction that we're going, then we can do away with this.
00:40:33.000 We can dispense with the notion that our politicians are better than their politicians, or that it matters if our politicians are better than their politicians.
00:40:40.000 We can have—if so, the only thing that Donald Trump ever said that was true in this campaign is he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and get away with it.
00:40:46.000 And Hillary feels the same way.
00:40:47.000 And it's already true on the left.
00:40:49.000 Hillary could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and get away with it.
00:40:52.000 I was unaware that people on the right, who constantly make the argument to their children and to the society that character matters, say when it comes to politics, character doesn't matter because after all, we're hiring a plumber, we're not hiring a pope.
00:41:03.000 Right?
00:41:04.000 Yes, that's true, except if you know that the plumber is a kleptomaniac.
00:41:07.000 Right?
00:41:08.000 You don't hire the plumber if you know the plumber is a kleptomaniac.
00:41:10.000 And if you have a choice between a plumber who's a kleptomaniac and a plumber who's a rapist, maybe you just try to fix the pipe yourself.
00:41:17.000 Maybe that's the ideal.
00:41:19.000 Otherwise, we all end up hypocrites in some sense.
00:41:21.000 Either get rid of the standard entirely, or you're going to have to deal with your own hypocrisy.
00:41:25.000 That's the way that this narrative goes, unfortunately.
00:41:28.000 And it's really, really ugly.
00:41:30.000 Meanwhile, Donald Trump continues to be in crisis.
00:41:35.000 Tell you what, folks, this is the last time
00:41:55.000 You'll ever have a chance to save our country.
00:41:58.000 It's not going to happen anymore.
00:41:59.000 You won't be able, the numbers will be too great.
00:42:01.000 Already the Republican nominee has a massive, a massive disadvantage.
00:42:07.000 And especially when you have the leaders not putting their weight behind the people.
00:42:14.000 They're not putting their weight behind the people.
00:42:19.000 Instead of calling me,
00:42:22.000 And saying, congratulations, you did a great job, you absolutely destroyed her in the debate, like everybody said.
00:42:29.000 You know, Pat Buchanan wrote the big article today, you saw it.
00:42:33.000 He said, and I'm not bragging, I'm just saying, maybe a little bit, but yeah.
00:42:37.000 He said it was the single greatest debate performance in the history of presidential politics.
00:42:49.000 So, wouldn't you think,
00:42:53.000 That Paul Ryan would call and say, good going, in front of just about the largest audience for a second night debate in the history of the country.
00:43:06.000 So, you know, you'd think that they'd say, great going, Don.
00:43:09.000 Let's go.
00:43:09.000 Let's beat this crook.
00:43:11.000 She's a crook.
00:43:12.000 Let's beat her.
00:43:12.000 We got to stop it.
00:43:14.000 No, he doesn't do that.
00:43:15.000 There's a whole deal going on there.
00:43:17.000 So, I mean, you know.
00:43:19.000 There's a whole deal going on.
00:43:20.000 We're going to figure it out.
00:43:21.000 I always figure things out.
00:43:23.000 But there's a whole sinister deal going on.
00:43:26.000 Yeah, there is a sinister deal going on.
00:43:29.000 The sinister deal here is that Donald Trump has no intention of winning, and so he's going to blame everybody to his right of being at fault instead of himself.
00:43:36.000 That's the sinister deal that's going on.
00:43:38.000 Everybody insisting that people just embrace the idea that character no longer matters in elections.
00:43:42.000 Fine.
00:43:42.000 If it no longer matters in elections, then I guess we're done here.
00:43:45.000 I guess we're done here.
00:43:46.000 And then it's just a question of which characterless person will be the president, and then you can't be surprised if a characterless person is lying to you.
00:43:52.000 You can't be surprised if your bad guy is lying to you and was fibbing to you the entire time.
00:43:56.000 But let's not pretend anymore about what we are.
00:43:58.000 We're not people who care about character, if that's the case.
00:44:01.000 We're only people who care about policy, and we only hope that those people in power
00:44:06.000 Regardless of their character, do what's right for us.
00:44:08.000 Okay?
00:44:09.000 Let me tell you something about people without character.
00:44:11.000 People without character don't care about systems.
00:44:13.000 People without character don't care about your rights.
00:44:16.000 People without character care about themselves.
00:44:18.000 And so we'll just elect, you know, whichever—our selfish guy versus their selfish person, our corrupt person versus their corrupt person.
00:44:25.000 If that's the choice every election, if that's what it's—if that's what we're down to, honestly, if that's the place where we are, vote for Trump because Eric Metaxas is right.
00:44:32.000 But if you think that
00:44:34.000 When it comes to character, there is hope for something better than maybe a holdout for something that isn't quite so bad.
00:44:40.000 And that's really the question.
00:44:41.000 And I see it both ways.
00:44:42.000 I see it both ways.
00:44:42.000 There's the pessimistic side of me that says, fine, we've come this far.
00:44:45.000 Everything is in the crapper.
00:44:47.000 Values no longer matter.
00:44:48.000 Principles no longer matter.
00:44:49.000 Character no longer matters.
00:44:51.000 Vote Trump over Hillary because, hey, it's the only thing that's left.
00:44:54.000 Well, and then there's the part of me that says, OK, there's still a movement to be had here.
00:44:58.000 I still respect the intelligence of the American people enough to believe that at some point, if presented with a real choice between good people and bad people, between good candidates and bad candidates, they'll choose the right one.
00:45:08.000 Maybe I'm wrong.
00:45:08.000 Maybe that's too hopeful.
00:45:09.000 But if I'm too hopeful on that, then the country's done anyway, and Donald Trump's just a holding pattern until the Democrats destroy it, or until he does.
00:45:16.000 Okay, time for things I like, and then things I hate, and a little bit of Bible.
00:45:19.000 So, things I like.
00:45:20.000 So, over at Yom Kippur, you're sitting in synagogue for hours and hours and hours and hours, so I don't have the attention span to pray consistently for seven hours straight, so I bring a book with me.
00:45:31.000 The book that I brought this week was Essays on Ethics, a weekly reading.
00:45:36.000 We're good
00:46:12.000 Things I hate.
00:46:12.000 So, somebody won the Nobel Prize for Literature.
00:46:15.000 Yay!
00:46:17.000 Okay, the person who won the Nobel Prize for Literature.
00:46:19.000 First of all, most of the people who win Nobel Prizes, at least in the arts, don't deserve them.
00:46:24.000 They're usually garbaggio.
00:46:26.000 But, winning the Nobel Prize for Literature usually means you have to be engaged in, I don't know, literature.
00:46:32.000 Now it means you get to warble like a cat being run over with a steamroller.
00:46:35.000 And that would be Bob Dylan.
00:46:36.000 Bob Dylan won the Nobel Prize for Literature.
00:46:39.000 Bob Dylan is awful.
00:46:40.000 His songs are garbage.
00:46:42.000 He's untalented.
00:46:43.000 He sings like a dying rodent.
00:46:45.000 And he can't play the harmonica for crap.
00:46:47.000 So here is, just for people who think, honestly, the boomers have given us, the baby boomers in this election, in this year, the baby boomers have given us Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and Bob Dylan.
00:46:57.000 Thanks a lot, guys.
00:46:58.000 Really appreciate it.
00:46:59.000 Thanks also for the national debt.
00:47:00.000 This has been awesome.
00:47:01.000 So Bob Dylan, here he is singing, the times, they are a-changing.
00:47:05.000 The real reason he won, of course, is because he's a wild leftist.
00:47:08.000 I'm gonna replace one chord on the harmonica because it stinks.
00:47:40.000 The reason Baby Boomers thought this was good at one point is because they were so unbelievably high that this was entertaining to them, but it is pretentious garbaggio, okay?
00:47:49.000 This is on the order of John Lennon's Imagine.
00:47:53.000 I mean, it's really awful stuff, and it's all about how he knows better than you, and the young people, they know better than everybody, and all the old principles, they're a-changin', and if you just jump on the choo-choo train with Bob Dylan and smoke a little dope, everything will be wonderful.
00:48:09.000 That's right.
00:48:20.000 There's this pretentious notion, and all these 60s boomers still have it, that they are the greatest people who ever were.
00:48:25.000 They remade the world in their image.
00:48:27.000 Well, great job remaking the world in your image, guys.
00:48:29.000 You did it.
00:48:29.000 It was horrible.
00:48:31.000 It's so luxury.
00:48:32.000 You've got this nebbishy dude here who can't play the harmonica yelling at you,
00:48:42.000 Really?
00:48:42.000 Nobel Prize for Literature?
00:49:03.000 Really?
00:49:03.000 Okay.
00:49:33.000 This is the single greatest rock song of all time.
00:49:57.000 Oh, this is spectacular.
00:49:58.000 Wow.
00:49:59.000 It's really those three chords, I think, that really do it for me.
00:50:03.000 The complexity and musical genius of three chords and screaming like a nut.
00:50:11.000 I have to admit, when I was younger, my sisters and I rewrote the lyrics to this, and every time we'd go to Coffee Bean, we'd sing like a raisin scone.
00:50:17.000 But in any case, again, the pretentious nature of the 60s, and we're seeing it played out.
00:50:24.000 Hillary Clinton is the child of Bob Dylan when it comes to ideology and ideas, and you can see this sort of pretentious holier-than-thou routine from her.
00:50:32.000 Somebody, I think, compared this to sort of Bob Dylan versus the Rat Pack, this election cycle, and I think that's kind of right.
00:50:37.000 Okay, other things that I hate.
00:50:39.000 So, somebody has decided that it was absolutely requisite that they make a YouTube show about young Hillary Clinton.
00:50:46.000 Yes, I'm serious.
00:50:47.000 Here's what it looks like.
00:50:51.000 No!
00:50:58.000 Dear Diary, student body president is the dreamiest job a girl could hope for.
00:51:03.000 I'm immensely qualified for office.
00:51:05.000 I'm even thinking I'd like a career in public service.
00:51:08.000 But who knows what the future holds?
00:51:12.000 I'm shocked at everyone's reaction to my campaign.
00:51:18.000 Why?
00:51:19.000 Because there's never been a girl student body president?
00:51:21.000 I was on the campaign trail today when my opponent, whose name I shall not transcribe, says to me,
00:51:28.000 Hey, dummy.
00:51:29.000 Is there anything else you can do with your time?
00:51:31.000 Get a real job.
00:51:32.000 In the home.
00:51:33.000 What else should I be doing with my time, good sir?
00:51:35.000 Cultivating my cross-stitching?
00:51:37.000 Perfecting the ratio of chocolate chips to batter in my cookies?
00:51:40.000 Writing letters to Ringo telling him I also know what it's like to be underappreciated?
00:51:44.000 Surely my fellow Americans are able to view male and female candidates with the same level of respect.
00:51:49.000 This is 1964.
00:51:51.000 In ten years, I guarantee there will be female heads of state all over the world.
00:51:55.000 I love a parade, don't you?
00:51:57.000 Okay, maybe 20 years tops.
00:52:00.000 Okay, first, okay, okay.
00:52:02.000 Golda Meir, by the way, was prime minister of Israel by 1973, so she's wrong about that.
00:52:07.000 Also, like, really, this is what, this is the propaganda we're now gonna push on little girls, that women have it so rough and Hillary Clinton is the great barrier breaker.
00:52:16.000 Give me a break.
00:52:18.000 Give me a break.
00:52:19.000 She's not broken a single barrier.
00:52:21.000 She wasn't the first secretary of state who's female.
00:52:22.000 She's not the first senator who's female.
00:52:24.000 She's not even close to it.
00:52:25.000 She's certainly not the first lady who is female.
00:52:28.000 She'll be the first president who's female simply because Donald Trump is the worst candidate anyone has ever seen or heard of.
00:52:34.000 But this is the propaganda they have to push.
00:52:36.000 The Young Hillary Show.
00:52:38.000 If they actually made a half-hour program out of this, you'd gouge out your eyeballs and then put them back in so you could pour acid on them.
00:52:45.000 Just awful all the way around.
00:52:46.000 Okay, on that happy note, let's do a little bit of Bible study.
00:52:49.000 We don't have mailbag this week because Austin was neglectful.
00:52:52.000 So, it's time for the Bible.
00:52:56.000 I just repented yesterday and I'm already getting myself in trouble.
00:52:58.000 So here is this week's Parsha, this week's Torah portion that we go through this week is Hazinu.
00:53:04.000 We're right near the end of the Torah.
00:53:05.000 In terms of the Jewish cycle, we go through all of the five books of Moses over the course of the year.
00:53:10.000 This one is from Hazinu, which means it's Deuteronomy 32.
00:53:14.000 And I thought these were particularly relevant passages.
00:53:16.000 And he said, this is about God, he said, I will hide my face from them.
00:53:20.000 We're good.
00:53:35.000 I don't have to read too deeply into this one, but this whole passage is about Moses warning the people, if you betray God, if you attribute your own successes to God, or God's successes to you, then you're going to end up straying from Him, and God will not be happy with you.
00:53:52.000 That's just the natural consequence.
00:53:53.000 And the idea of God hiding His face from you, the idea there is that
00:53:58.000 God's face is present in history.
00:54:01.000 When you see cause and effect, you're seeing the face of God.
00:54:03.000 When you see a natural relationship between what you do and the outcome that it achieves, that's the way that you see God in the world, because you know that his system is working.
00:54:15.000 When he hides his face is when you get chaos.
00:54:17.000 It's when the purpose of the universe becomes less apparent.
00:54:20.000 And he says there are a generation of changes that are not recognizable because they've decided to break the covenant.
00:54:26.000 When he says they've provoked my jealousy with a non-God, provoked my angers with their vanities, it's really interesting.
00:54:32.000 He doesn't say they've provoked my jealousy with idols.
00:54:36.000 They've provoked my jealousy with a non-God, with something that is not God.
00:54:40.000 Them, their priorities, their own idea of morality.
00:54:44.000 They've provoked my anger with their vanities, with their foolishness.
00:54:47.000 And then he's gonna provoke their jealousy with a non-people.
00:54:49.000 What does that mean?
00:54:50.000 Well, what does it mean to be a people?
00:54:51.000 To be a people, in the godly sense, is not just to be a family.
00:54:54.000 It's not just biological.
00:54:55.000 To be a people, in the godly sense, is to be a people based on a covenant.
00:54:58.000 A people based on an idea.
00:55:00.000 And so, if you give up your peoplehood for the idea of a non-people, you'll be provoked with a non-people.
00:55:05.000 Meaning, a bunch of people coming in who don't have a common idea, but they decided to rip down your common idea.
00:55:11.000 He's gonna provoke their anger with a foolish nation.
00:55:14.000 Right?
00:55:15.000 People who don't care about those priorities.
00:55:16.000 People who don't care about that covenant.
00:55:18.000 They're going to come in and they're going to rule over you.
00:55:22.000 And that's what happens when you abandon the mission.
00:55:23.000 When you abandon the mission, it's not just that your jealousy is provoked with the non-people and your anger is provoked with the foolish nation, although there are some people who are religious who believe this, that they're being provoked this way.
00:55:33.000 You become that non-people.
00:55:34.000 You become that foolish nation.
00:55:37.000 You fall apart.
00:55:39.000 But God pledges in the end that if you hold to him, and whether or not you hold to him, if you hold to him, God will bring it back around, and he'll pledge to help you, because he'll remember the covenants even if you fail to.
00:55:49.000 So that's the hope that God gives at the end of Moses' speech.
00:55:53.000 Okay, that brings us to the end of this week.
00:55:55.000 Next week, unfortunately for you guys, but fortunately for me, more Jewish holidays.
00:55:58.000 So Monday, Tuesday is the holiday of Sukkot.
00:56:00.000 That's the one where we sit in the booths that we've built for ourselves outside our houses, and that's supposed to represent the fact that life and material things are transitory.
00:56:09.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:56:10.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:56:39.000 Let's go.