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Ep. 215 - Good Trump-Bad Trump: Thanksgiving Edition


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Trump gets a Trump-style dressing down at a meeting with the media, and it's not good news for Americans who want access to the White House. Plus, the media will seek revenge by turning up the volume on Trump's criticism, and we'll talk about why that's bad news for the country. Ben Shapiro's full take on it all, plus a call-in from Brandon Snipes, author of "Good Trump, Bad Trump," on why you should be worried about a president who doesn't grant access to journalists, even if you're happy that he's slapping them. Plus, we discuss the best way to hedge against inflation, and why you don't want to bet against the stock market against it. All that and much more on today's episode of The Ben Shapiro Show! Subscribe to my new podcast, "The Besties," wherever you get your stuff, and don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe to my other podcast, The Besties. I'm a big fan of the show and the podcast is a must-listen if you haven't already checked it out. If you're interested in investing in precious metals, you can do so at least once a week, and if you think the market is overvalued, then you need to put a little bit of precious metals in your portfolio at least 16 pages into your 401k or Precious Precious Metals, because you'll have a better chance of making a safe bet against inflation and wild returns in the next 4 years. I'll tell you what to do so you won't have to have the best chance of beating inflation in the long-term. - Ben Shapiro and I'll explain it all in this episode of the Ben Shapiro show, coming soon! - Subscribe to our newsletter! Subscribe at bit.ly/TheBen Shapiro Show - subscribe to our new weekly newsletter, The Good Trump Good Trump Bad Trump Good Bad Trump, Good Trump, Great Trump, and Bad Trump: The Best of Ben Shapiro & Bad Trump Podcasts Learn more about your ad choices, Subscribe to Ben Shapiro Podcasts, and much, much more. Subscribe and more! Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and other links to help spread the word to your friends and support Ben Shapiro on social media? Subscribe on iTunes and other places like it's a good day in the world of business and finance? Thanks Ben Shapiro, too, Ben Shapiro


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00:00:00.000 On Monday, President-elect Trump held a meeting at Trump Tower with top members of the media.
00:00:04.000 The New York Post reported, quote, Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sit-down on Monday, sources told the Post.
00:00:11.000 It was like an effing firing squad, one source said of the encounter.
00:00:14.000 Trump started with CNN chief Jeff Zucker and said, I hate your network.
00:00:17.000 Everyone at CNN is a liar, and you should be ashamed, the source said.
00:00:21.000 The meeting was a total disaster.
00:00:22.000 The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they'd be discussing the access they'd get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down, the source added.
00:00:29.000 According to the Post, attendees included NBC's Lester Holt and Chuck Todd, ABC's George Stephanopoulos, David Muir and Martha Raddatz, Fox News' Bill Shine, MSNBC's Phil Griffin, and CNN's Jeff Zucker and Aaron Burnett, among others.
00:00:41.000 Here, in no particular order, are a few random thoughts.
00:00:43.000 First of all, the media totally deserve this.
00:00:45.000 The media destroyed Mitt Romney in 2012 by turning him from an honorable family man and excellent business person into the scourge of the earth, searching far and wide for gay kids so he could practice his haircutting skills, hunting down dogs to strap them to his car.
00:00:58.000 The media then decided to treat Barack Obama with kid gloves for eight years, soft-peddling his lies on everything from Obamacare to Benghazi.
00:01:04.000 Then finally, the media built up Donald Trump in the primaries and then attempted to tear him down in the general.
00:01:09.000 They've earned every bit of scorn Trump can level at them.
00:01:11.000 Second,
00:01:12.000 Trump's going to start every single firefight he can.
00:01:14.000 The media didn't leak this story to the Post gang.
00:01:16.000 Trump's people certainly did.
00:01:18.000 The Post was one of the friendliest publications in the country to Trump.
00:01:21.000 And this bolsters Trump's favorite case, that he's a powerful god-king, willing to face down the scurrilous media and hammer them into the ground.
00:01:28.000 Trump relishes this sort of fisticuffs.
00:01:30.000 It's why he singled out reporters during his campaign.
00:01:32.000 It's why he went to war with Hamilton in Saturday Night Live over the weekend.
00:01:36.000 Trump gets that most of his voters are sick of watching the media monopoly, and they're more than willing to countenance a president blasting away at the media if it means destroying that monopoly.
00:01:45.000 Third, the media will seek revenge by turning up the volume.
00:01:48.000 The media just don't know how to handle a Republican who doesn't seem to care about their adoration.
00:01:53.000 Their solution thus far is turning up the volume to 11.
00:01:55.000 That's not working.
00:01:56.000 They're treating every Trump tweet as apocalyptic, every Trump outrage as plumbing new depths of Dante's Inferno.
00:02:02.000 That only succeeds in making Trump look justified in slapping them with both hands, then poking them in the eyes like a member of the Three Stooges.
00:02:08.000 The only way the media could cover Trump properly would be to understate their case, rather than trotting out Howard Dean to label Trump cabinet appointees Nazis, or covering Richard Spencer's alt-right hate fest as an extension of Trump world.
00:02:20.000 Finally, this is not actually great news for Americans.
00:02:23.000 Despite the delicious scheidenfreude, this is not good news.
00:02:26.000 Americans are best served when the press of every stripe have access to information about the executive branch.
00:02:32.000 Closing off access for political gain was bad when Obama did it, and it isn't good when Trump does it.
00:02:37.000 Many conservatives can't see past their own shortling over the media shamefacedly shuffling from Trump Tower tails between their legs, which is understandable, but the presidency is still a government office.
00:02:47.000 It requires more daylight, not less.
00:02:50.000 So, here's the bottom line, the lesson.
00:02:53.000 You ought to be worried about a president who's not granting access to the press, even if you're happy that he's slapping them.
00:02:58.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:02:59.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:03:04.000 Oh, so much to get to today.
00:03:05.000 It's going to be an epic, epic day for Good Trump, Bad Trump.
00:03:08.000 Epic day for Good Trump, Bad Trump.
00:03:10.000 So, once again, we say thank you to Brandon Snipes, the author of the Good Trump, Bad Trump theme, because there's going to be so much invocation of that over the next four years, I can't even begin to describe it.
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00:04:08.000 Okay, so just right off the top, we're gonna play the Good Trump, Bad Trump theme because there's a lot going on today.
00:04:15.000 Alrighty, let's play.
00:04:16.000 Good Trump, Bad Trump, which one will we get today?
00:04:22.000 Alrighty, so we begin with a little bit of Good Trump.
00:04:25.000 Yay, Good Trump!
00:04:26.000 See, here's the thing, folks.
00:04:28.000 I wish that I could spend the entire show doing good Trump.
00:04:31.000 There's one person who stands in the way of that.
00:04:33.000 His name is Donald Trump.
00:04:34.000 You may have seen him on TV.
00:04:36.000 Donald Trump does a lot of silly, silly things.
00:04:39.000 And in a minute I'm going to go over all the things that he's telling the New York Times as we speak, because he's doing some live interview.
00:04:45.000 With the New York Times.
00:04:46.000 And they're tweeting out the interview.
00:04:48.000 This is after he spent most of last night ripping on the New York Times and explaining why he wouldn't do an interview.
00:04:52.000 And then it turned out that the real reason that he wasn't doing the interview, supposedly, is because his chief of staff, Reince Priebus, told him not to do the interview and then supposedly lied to Trump about the terms of the interview because he thought that Trump wouldn't be prepared for the interview and would look stupid.
00:05:06.000 So this is going well.
00:05:07.000 The Chief of Staff to the President-Elect of the United States thinks that the President-Elect is too dumb to handle the New York Times, so he just lies to him about the New York Times interview.
00:05:17.000 This is according to Trump's camp, okay?
00:05:18.000 This is not according to the press.
00:05:19.000 This is what Trump is trotting out there.
00:05:20.000 Why?
00:05:21.000 Because one of two things happened.
00:05:22.000 Either Trump said, I'm not interviewing with those terrible people at the New York Times, or Reince Priebus told him not to and lied to him, and so Reince Priebus's body goes SHOOP!
00:05:32.000 Right under the Trump train.
00:05:33.000 So, it's in little pieces like Anna Karenina, so that's very exciting.
00:05:36.000 But, I promised there would be some good Trump, so we will begin with good Trump.
00:05:40.000 So, Trump has now outlined some of his policy plans for the first hundred days, and it's a mixed bag.
00:05:44.000 Here's what he had to say.
00:05:47.000 My agenda will be based on a simple core principle, putting America first.
00:05:52.000 Whether it's producing steel, building cars, or curing disease, I want the next generation of production and innovation to happen right here on our great homeland, America, creating wealth and jobs for American workers.
00:06:07.000 As part of this plan, I've asked my transition team to develop a list of executive actions we can take on day one to restore our laws and bring back our jobs.
00:06:17.000 It's about time.
00:06:19.000 These include the following.
00:06:21.000 On trade, I am going to issue our notification of intent to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a potential disaster for our country.
00:06:30.000 Instead, we will negotiate fair bilateral trade deals that bring jobs and industry back onto American shores.
00:06:38.000 On energy, I will cancel job-killing restrictions on the production of American energy, including shale energy and clean coal, creating many millions of high-paying jobs.
00:06:49.000 So here's a bit of the mixed bag, right?
00:06:51.000 So on energy policy, this is great, right?
00:06:53.000 When he's talking about getting rid of these restrictions.
00:06:54.000 Now, the truth is that the biggest problem the fracking industry faces right now is not regulation, although the regulation should go.
00:07:01.000 The biggest problem they face is that the price of gas is minuscule.
00:07:03.000 I mean, because all of the OPEC countries are attempting to out pump each other.
00:07:07.000 Thanks to foreign policy.
00:07:08.000 Saudi Arabia is trying to pump Iran into the ground.
00:07:10.000 Iran is trying to pump Saudi Arabia into the ground.
00:07:12.000 That means there's a glut of oil, and that means that the prices have gone down, so the profit margin in fracking has gone down too.
00:07:18.000 So that's the biggest problem facing the fracking industry, is actual pricing in the market, not the regulations.
00:07:23.000 But it's good that Trump is saying that.
00:07:24.000 On the bad side, when he talks about TPP and revoking it, there are only two reasons to oppose TPP.
00:07:29.000 Okay, reason number one is that it included a lot of secret side clauses that Obama had negotiated and reason number two is because the Congress of the United States should actually have the entire agreement in front of them before they approve it and they didn't in the case of TPP.
00:07:43.000 The idea that we're going to pull out of multilateral trade agreements and then just negotiate bilateral trade agreements
00:07:48.000 When Trump says fair for us, what he means is he wants to make foreign products more expensive for you, the consumer, because he wants to protect certain classes of people in the United States.
00:07:58.000 So he wants to protect steel workers in Ohio or farm workers in Iowa.
00:08:02.000 When Democrats do this sort of subsidies, that's bad.
00:08:05.000 When Republicans do that sort of subsidies, it's also bad.
00:08:07.000 So I'm not in favor of this kind of stuff.
00:08:10.000 Cracking down on free trade is just a welfare program for people who are protected.
00:08:14.000 Okay, if it really helped economies to put up tariffs, if it really helped economies, then the greatest economy on earth would be Venezuela.
00:08:20.000 Venezuela has tariffs on virtually every product, and people are literally eating dogs.
00:08:23.000 They're shooting dogs and eating them.
00:08:25.000 The fact is that you as an American have the freedom and the ability to purchase any product you like.
00:08:30.000 In the marketplace at the lowest price that you can find.
00:08:33.000 That's one of the things that's beautiful about free market capitalism.
00:08:36.000 Trump doesn't get that.
00:08:36.000 So there's the mixed bag.
00:08:37.000 But he said some other stuff that's good.
00:08:39.000 He talks about how he wants a plan on security to harden the infrastructure with regard to terrorist attack.
00:08:45.000 This is talking about the idea of electrical grids being vulnerable to terrorist attack.
00:08:50.000 All that's good.
00:08:51.000 There are a few things he didn't mention.
00:08:53.000 He didn't mention the wall.
00:08:54.000 He didn't mention getting rid of Obama's executive amnesty.
00:08:56.000 He didn't mention tearing up the Iran deal.
00:08:57.000 So a lot of the big promises he made, he completely ignored.
00:09:00.000 But, you know, what he said here, I would say about 70% of this is correct.
00:09:04.000 So good.
00:09:04.000 Good for him.
00:09:05.000 Other good Trump.
00:09:06.000 So there was a cop that was shot in San Antonio, died.
00:09:09.000 Does it
00:09:35.000 Disturb you?
00:09:36.000 How do you get your arms around the fact that you've got people like that supporting him?
00:09:40.000 But you had what you describe as a positive, frank and candid meeting and you think he's committed to reaching out to black America.
00:09:47.000 You know, as an African-American who's been in business and had to come up and grow up from someone who was the first to go to college to create successful businesses and create wealth for myself and a number of other African-Americans, I know that there are people like that in America.
00:10:07.000 It's been that way ever since slavery existed in this country.
00:10:11.000 They're not going to go away tomorrow or the next day.
00:10:16.000 Okay, so he actually came out and he said that he was happy that he met with Trump and they're hoping that they can work together.
00:10:21.000 Again, smart of Trump to reach out in that way.
00:10:23.000 Okay, so all of that is good Trump, or at least decent Trump.
00:10:26.000 Now it's time for some bad Trump.
00:10:29.000 Oh no.
00:10:31.000 A few things to begin.
00:10:33.000 First of all, you remember that Trump had in Mitt Romney to the White House and said that he wanted to, or to Trump Tower, and said that he wanted to consider him for Secretary of State.
00:10:42.000 In this off-the-record meeting with the press, he then started bragging that Romney desperately wanted to be Secretary of State.
00:10:48.000 He also had Kelly Ayotte, the senator from New Hampshire, who didn't back him, and there was talk about her possibly being Secretary of State or SEC defense, and Trump just said to the New York Times,
00:10:57.000 We're not gonna use Kelly Ayotte.
00:10:59.000 I don't even like Kelly Ayotte.
00:11:00.000 So he's just bringing these people in to stomp on their faces, which, is that surprising?
00:11:05.000 No, of course it's not surprising!
00:11:06.000 This is Donald Trump you're talking about.
00:11:07.000 Of course Trump was gonna do this.
00:11:09.000 I spoke with a higher-up in one of these people, who is not a big Trump backer, met with Trump, and I spoke with a higher-up in this person's team, and I said, um, you should just be aware he's gonna stomp on your face at the first available opportunity.
00:11:21.000 Yes, yes he will.
00:11:22.000 Okay, so start with that.
00:11:24.000 Now, Trump is also backing away from, you recall, just a few short days ago, you recall, stadiums full of people shouting, lock her up, lock her up, lock her up about Hillary Clinton.
00:11:35.000 Remember?
00:11:35.000 I'm old enough to remember that.
00:11:36.000 Aren't you old enough to remember that?
00:11:37.000 I think you are.
00:11:38.000 If you're watching this show, I hope you are because it's obscene for those under the age of two weeks.
00:11:42.000 But the bottom line is that now Donald Trump is backing off of this.
00:11:46.000 Kellyanne Conway,
00:11:48.000 Who's his campaign manager.
00:11:49.000 Now she's saying that Donald Trump will not move for prosecution of Hillary Clinton.
00:11:54.000 So, before we even get to this, let me just point something out.
00:11:58.000 If Barack Obama... Okay, we're going to use the prop we used yesterday.
00:12:00.000 This is the other foot shoe.
00:12:02.000 Right?
00:12:02.000 You remember this?
00:12:03.000 This is the shoe that says, take what Trump is doing, pretend Hillary was doing it, and then see if you like it.
00:12:09.000 If Hillary Clinton had been elected and she said, I am not going to pursue investigation of the Clinton Foundation, we would have said, that's bad, the president doesn't get to decide those sorts of things.
00:12:18.000 When Barack Obama took office, if he had said before taking office, I am going to tell Eric Holder to ignore all possible prosecution of the Black Panthers,
00:12:26.000 People would have said, oh, that's bad.
00:12:28.000 You're not supposed to do that.
00:12:29.000 The President of the United States or the President-elect is not supposed to direct the Attorney General to investigate or not investigate anything.
00:12:36.000 By Kellyanne Conway, she says, don't worry, Donald Trump isn't going to prosecute Hillary Clinton again.
00:12:40.000 Just for people who don't understand the Constitution, prosecutorial power lies with the Department of Justice.
00:12:45.000 The President doesn't get to prosecute people.
00:12:47.000 The Supreme Court, Trump didn't know this, but the Supreme Court doesn't get to prosecute people.
00:12:51.000 The Congress only gets to impeach people.
00:12:54.000 Okay, they get to issue contempt orders also, but here's Kellyanne Conway saying something that if Hillary said it, we'd be a little bit upset about.
00:13:02.000 I think when the president-elect, who's also the head of your party now, Joe, tells you before he's even inaugurated he doesn't wish to pursue these charges, it sends a very strong message, tone, and content to the members.
00:13:13.000 And I think Hillary Clinton still has to face the fact that a majority of Americans don't find her to be honest or trustworthy, but if Donald Trump can help her heal, then perhaps that's a good thing.
00:13:25.000 Help her heal?
00:13:26.000 I didn't remember those chants in the stadiums.
00:13:28.000 Help her heal!
00:13:29.000 Help her heal!
00:13:31.000 I don't remember those.
00:13:32.000 Kellyanne Conway, by the way, you're put on warning, folks.
00:13:35.000 If you think that Trump's going to keep all his promises, you have now been officially warned by Kellyanne Conway.
00:13:39.000 She says, well, meh.
00:13:44.000 I do, look, I think he's thinking of many different things as he prepares to become the president of the United States.
00:13:51.000 And things that sound like the campaign aren't among them.
00:13:55.000 Okay, so things that sound like the campaign are not things he's going to do.
00:13:59.000 Wait a second, so what is he going to do?
00:14:00.000 Because I thought that the campaign is where you tell people what you're going to do.
00:14:04.000 I thought that's what campaigns were for.
00:14:06.000 What was the campaign for then?
00:14:07.000 Was it just because he likes speaking in front of crowds?
00:14:10.000 Okay, so you've got, look, he's not president yet.
00:14:12.000 We'll hold off judgment on what he does as president until we know what he's actually going to do, right?
00:14:17.000 But the idea that you're going to get all the things that you wanted, remember he was saying this, he actually said, all your dreams will come true if he's elected.
00:14:24.000 Well, that first dream that Hillary would go to prison, that dream is not coming true because he's actually actively interfering with the criminal justice system.
00:14:32.000 So let's start with that.
00:14:33.000 Let's start with that.
00:14:34.000 Okay.
00:14:34.000 Other things that Trump is doing.
00:14:36.000 Okay.
00:14:37.000 This interview with the New York Times is truly astonishing, and it just demonstrates that there are not really... Trump kept talking during the campaign about how he would turn into presidential Trump, how he would just become, magically, presidential Trump.
00:14:51.000 And I'm trying to be intellectually honest, folks.
00:14:52.000 I know I'm saying things that people don't want to hear.
00:14:54.000 That's because we're being intellectually honest here.
00:14:56.000 We're trying to analyze this guy like he's the leader of the free world or the president-elect of the United States, not like he's our best friend and we're so excited he got elected, oh, let's grant him all the opportunities.
00:15:06.000 I don't believe in honeymoons.
00:15:07.000 I don't.
00:15:07.000 I believe in them when you're married.
00:15:08.000 I don't believe in them in politics.
00:15:10.000 There's no such thing as a honeymoon in politics.
00:15:12.000 Once you have power, it's not my job to owe you support.
00:15:15.000 It is your job to do your job for me.
00:15:17.000 You work for me.
00:15:18.000 Donald Trump works for me.
00:15:19.000 Donald Trump works for you.
00:15:21.000 We do not work for Donald Trump.
00:15:22.000 We do not work for him.
00:15:23.000 It's not our job to support him.
00:15:25.000 It is our job to say he's the President of the United States and he has governing power, but that comes along with some responsibility.
00:15:30.000 So it is his job to live up to that responsibility, not our job to play nice with him when he does not.
00:15:36.000 So, just start with what he is saying today in this New York Times interview.
00:15:39.000 So, first he starts with ripping the New York Times.
00:15:41.000 Okay, that's sort of normal.
00:15:43.000 I don't
00:16:05.000 Thank you.
00:16:17.000 They believe that the only way to preserve Western civilization is to have essentially more white people.
00:16:22.000 That's the basic concept here.
00:16:24.000 And a lot of alt-right people are very, very excited with Donald Trump.
00:16:27.000 They like Donald Trump.
00:16:28.000 And the reason they like Donald Trump is because Donald Trump has done a few things where he sort of winged and nodded at them.
00:16:33.000 So, for example, when he refused to condemn the KKK, the alt-right got a big boost out of that.
00:16:37.000 When Donald Trump hired Steve Bannon, Steve Bannon, who's his new chief strategist, a person I know,
00:16:42.000 Bannon is somebody who has called Breitbart the platform for the alt-right.
00:16:46.000 Breitbart has printed pieces praising the alt-right and Richard Spencer, the alt-right neo-Nazi leader, basically.
00:16:52.000 Specifically, praising Richard Spencer as an intellectual.
00:16:55.000 So Steve Bannon, in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, he downplayed the alt-right as, oh, they're just a group of people who don't like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and they don't care.
00:17:04.000 No, that's not the whole thing.
00:17:05.000 He acknowledged Bannon did.
00:17:07.000 Yeah, there's a tinge of racism and anti-Semitism to the alt-right, but that's just fringy.
00:17:11.000 That's just fringy stuff.
00:17:12.000 No, the alt-right has a very specific philosophy.
00:17:14.000 They mean what they say.
00:17:16.000 Here is Trump on the alt-right.
00:17:17.000 It's not a group I want to energize, and if they are energized, I want to look into it and find out why.
00:17:23.000 Hmm, I have a few ideas.
00:17:25.000 I have a few ideas.
00:17:26.000 Perhaps you shouldn't have hired the guy who said that he created Breitbart into a platform for the alt-right, and then proceeded to downplay what the alt-right was in the pages of the Wall Street Journal, and then say that the alt-right's racism and anti-Semitism are not really part of the movement, okay?
00:17:40.000 Maybe that's why the alt-right is really excited.
00:17:42.000 About your administration, and maybe you should think about that a little bit more deeply.
00:17:45.000 And then Trump reiterated that he was not interested in investigating the Clintons.
00:17:50.000 And then he said that he's keeping his mind open on anthropogenic climate change.
00:17:54.000 So he's saying that the climate change treaties he'll think about deeply, which is for sure Obama in his ear.
00:17:59.000 And then this is the part that's truly amazing, right?
00:18:01.000 He was asked about his company.
00:18:02.000 So we're going to get into some of his business conflicts in a second.
00:18:04.000 Because again, if you want to see an actual successful Republican presidency, the president cannot be impeached
00:18:10.000 Because he's using the power of the federal government to boost his businesses.
00:18:14.000 That's a bad thing.
00:18:15.000 Where I come from, that's a bad thing.
00:18:16.000 If you're rooting for Trump to succeed, you want him to separate off from his businesses so he's not involved in corruption.
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