The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 220 - Trump Saved Jobs! But How?

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00:00:00.000 Barack Obama spent an outsized portion of his presidency lecturing Americans about illegal immigration.

00:00:05.000 He unilaterally suspended prosecutions of a wide swath of illegal immigrants through his executive amnesty, meanwhile railing all about the evils of the Republicans.

00:00:14.000 He ripped Donald Trump's supposed xenophobia

00:00:16.000 Over Trump's strict anti-illegal immigration proposals.

00:00:19.000 But Obama and Democrats don't actually care about illegal immigrants.

00:00:22.000 In fact, they would actually prefer that illegal immigrants retain that status so they can be used as a political sword against Republicans. 0.98

00:00:29.000 The fact is on full display this morning.

00:00:32.000 After a senior policy advisor to Obama said Obama would not confer a blanket pardon on illegal immigrants, Cecilia Munoz, who's a domestic policy advisor, she said, quote,

00:00:41.000 I know that people are hoping for use of a pardon authority as a way to protect people.

00:00:45.000 It's ultimately not for a couple of reasons.

00:00:47.000 One is that general pardon authority is generally designed for criminal violations, not civil.

00:00:51.000 But it also doesn't confer legal status, only Congress can do that, and so ultimately it wouldn't protect a single soul from deportation, so it's not an answer here for this population.

00:01:00.000 That, by the way, was also true of Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals and Deferred Action for Parents of Americans program, that's DACA and DAPA.

00:01:07.000 They didn't grant citizenship or prevent future deportations.

00:01:10.000 They merely stopped deportations here and now.

00:01:12.000 Pardoning illegal immigrants would remove the legal pretext for deportation.

00:01:16.000 Other crimes, such as fraud, if you're using a social security number that's false, that would still be prosecutable, but it might not be punishable with deportation.

00:01:24.000 In fact, Obama could pardon those crimes as well, removing all legal grounds for prosecution.

00:01:29.000 This isn't making the case Obama should pardon illegal immigrants, of course.

00:01:32.000 It would be the essence of lawlessness, a gross abuse of the executive power.

00:01:35.000 But Obama hasn't typically cared about any of that in the past, including on illegal immigration.

00:01:39.000 And that's the point.

00:01:40.000 Obama doesn't want to protect illegal immigrants in any real way without giving them full voting rights.

00:01:45.000 He wants them to be stuck in limbo so Democrats can claim they're victimized by evil Republicans.

00:01:50.000 That's why Democrats did not push comprehensive immigration reform when they controlled both houses of Congress from 2008 to 2010.

00:01:57.000 Stop with the routine in which Democrats are deeply concerned about illegal immigrants as anything but political tools.

00:02:03.000 They simply aren't.

00:02:04.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:02:05.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:02:10.000 Tons to get to today here on the Ben Shapiro Show, and we'll get to it all.

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00:03:48.000 With a continuation of a theme a little bit from yesterday.

00:03:51.000 And that, of course, is this situation with carriers.

00:03:54.000 So, one of the things that I've been preaching, and I'm going to continue to preach here, is that we need to call out Trump when he's wrong, and we need to compliment him when he's right.

00:04:01.000 I know that my good friend Andrew Klavan doesn't feel the same way.

00:04:04.000 Klavan and I had this conversation off-air just before the program.

00:04:08.000 I was talking about this carrier deal, which I'll explain in just a minute and why I think it's a problem.

00:04:12.000 And he was saying, yeah, but overall Trump is doing a good job.

00:04:15.000 I said, I may very well agree that overall Trump is doing a pretty good job, but that doesn't require me to ignore when he does things that are bad.

00:04:21.000 See, that argument that Trump overall is good, that's an election argument.

00:04:24.000 That's an argument that he's going to be better than Hillary, for example.

00:04:27.000 But Hillary's no longer in the picture. 0.95

00:04:29.000 Now your obligation as a citizen is to make sure the president does as many things as you can get him to do that you want him to do.

00:04:35.000 We're good to go.

00:04:55.000 And your wife comes to you and she says, you know, your friend just embezzled.

00:04:58.000 And you say, yeah, but overall he's a good friend.

00:05:00.000 That's a non sequitur.

00:05:01.000 That doesn't deal with the main issue, which is that he just embezzled from you.

00:05:04.000 You might want to address the embezzlement if you don't want future embezzlement.

00:05:07.000 I would prefer to stop Donald Trump from ruining his presidency with bad policy than I would to just compliment him when he thinks that he does things that are bad.

00:05:15.000 I think the carrier deal is bad, and let me explain why I think the carrier deal is bad.

00:05:21.000 The best way for me to explain why I think the Carrier deal is bad is, number one, let me explain to you, let me state the problem.

00:05:28.000 The problem is not just that the Carrier deal is bad.

00:05:30.000 For people who missed it, Carrier is an air conditioning and heating manufacturer located in Indiana.

00:05:34.000 They were going to shift 1,000 jobs to Mexico, and now they're not.

00:05:37.000 And they say they're not going to, basically because the state of Indiana offered them some tax incentives, and also because Donald Trump threatened them.

00:05:44.000 That's basically what it comes down to.

00:05:46.000 According to the New York Times, or others from Politico, John Moots, a former Indiana lieutenant governor who sits on an agency board in Indiana, he told Politico Carrier turned down a previous offer from that board before the election that offered all these tax incentives for Carrier to stay in Indiana.

00:06:02.000 He said he thinks the choice is driven by concerns from Carrier's parent company, United Technologies,

00:06:06.000 That it could lose a portion of its roughly $6.7 billion in federal contracts.

00:06:10.000 So in other words, what happened here is that it cost Carrier something like $65 million to keep these jobs in Indiana.

00:06:16.000 And so the question was, why would $4 or $5 million of tax incentives from Indiana keep those jobs there?

00:06:23.000 And the answer is, they wouldn't, right?

00:06:25.000 Pence offered this to Carrier before.

00:06:27.000 That's crony capitalism in and of itself.

00:06:28.000 But he offered it to them before, Carrier turned it down, now Trump selected, and suddenly they reversed themselves.

00:06:33.000 They didn't reverse themselves because of Trump's regulatory and tax policy.

00:06:36.000 That would be a good thing, right?

00:06:37.000 That would be great.

00:06:38.000 If Carrier said, listen, now the business climate is awesome, we're staying right here.

00:06:42.000 That would be great.

00:06:43.000 That would be good, Trump.

00:06:43.000 But it's bad, Trump, if Trump goes to them and says, I'm threatening you.

00:06:47.000 If you leave, then I am going to take all of this taxpayer money, and I'm not going to spend it with you.

00:06:51.000 I'm going to spend even more taxpayer money with your competitor.

00:06:54.000 Because here's the thing, right?

00:06:57.000 Every defense department technology contract, every defense department contract by law, has to go through a bidding process.

00:07:03.000 And that bidding process requires you to show that you can provide the best product for the cheapest.

00:07:07.000 So that means that presumably, if the law was obeyed, then the defense department contracts with United Technologies were the best contracts that were available.

00:07:15.000 That's the whole goal of having a bidding process.

00:07:17.000 Now Trump is saying, I know that was the best deal available, and it's still the best deal available.

00:07:22.000 But screw that, I'm going to spend twice as much money on some other company just to punish United Technologies because I want my headline from them and I want my headline right now.

00:07:29.000 I want the headline that says that I saved a thousand jobs so I can go around the country bragging about how I saved a thousand jobs.

00:07:35.000 This is called economic fascism.

00:07:37.000 It is, and that's not...

00:07:39.000 Linked in any way to fascism with regard to race or fascism with regard to religion.

00:07:44.000 Economic fascism is an actual economic philosophy, it's called corporatism, that believes that the federal government should pick winners and losers.

00:07:51.000 And it originated in Italy with Mussolini.

00:07:55.000 This notion that the government should pick winners and losers, that basically corporation and corporatism, they share the same root.

00:08:02.000 And that root is corp.

00:08:04.000 Right?

00:08:04.000 Corps.

00:08:05.000 Corps, right?

00:08:06.000 They're talking about a body, right?

00:08:07.000 The idea is that the entire economy is like a body, and the federal government, any government, should decide which parts of the economy should be which parts of the body.

00:08:14.000 So, you don't want, you don't want three hands, you want two hands.

00:08:18.000 And that means that the government is going to decide which two companies should be those two hands.

00:08:21.000 This is very dangerous stuff.

00:08:22.000 It's top-down government-run economics, and that always results in less useful economic development

00:08:29.000 We're good to go.

00:08:45.000 Now we're going to flashback.

00:08:47.000 Now we're going to flashback.

00:08:48.000 Okay?

00:08:49.000 Here's the flashback.

00:08:50.000 The flashback is to 2009.

00:08:51.000 Here's Barack Obama in 2009.

00:08:53.000 This is February 2009, right after he's elected.

00:08:56.000 And you're going to see Barack Obama do the exact same routine at Caterpillar.

00:09:00.000 This is in Peoria, Illinois.

00:09:01.000 Looks a lot younger, obviously.

00:09:03.000 This is in 2009, February 2009, and conservatives ripped him a new one over this, as well they should have.

00:09:09.000 Yesterday, Jim, the head of Caterpillar, said that if Congress passes our plan,

00:09:15.000 This company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off.

00:09:20.000 And that's a story I'm confident will be repeated at companies across the country.

00:09:25.000 Companies that are currently struggling to borrow money, selling their products, struggling to make payroll, but could find themselves in a different position when we start implementing the plan.

00:09:36.000 Rather than downsizing, they may be able to start growing again.

00:09:41.000 Rather than cutting jobs, they may be able to create them again.

00:09:44.000 That's the goal at the heart of this plan, to create jobs.

00:09:47.000 And not just any jobs, not just make work jobs, but putting people to work, doing the work that America needs done.

00:09:56.000 Repairing our infrastructure, modernizing our schools and our hospitals, promoting the- So that's Barack Obama, circa February 2009, talking about how Caterpillar had pledged that they were going to keep the jobs there.

00:10:06.000 Now the CEO of Caterpillar came out very shortly after, he said, well no, we never promised that we were going to do anything like that.

00:10:12.000 But the headline was already out.

00:10:14.000 Obama had already claimed that Caterpillar was going to save all these jobs because of his stimulus package, right?

00:10:19.000 And conservatives rightly went nuts.

00:10:21.000 In 2013, in Obama's State of the Union address, he name-checked Caterpillar and he said, look at all the jobs that I personally have saved by using the federal government as this cram-down mechanism by threatening people and cajoling people and giving them special stimulus packages.

00:10:34.000 Look at all the jobs that I've saved, including in places like Caterpillar.

00:10:39.000 Our first priority is making America a magnet for new jobs in manufacturing.

00:10:44.000 After shedding jobs for more than 10 years, our manufacturers have added about 500,000 jobs over the past three.

00:10:52.000 Caterpillar is bringing jobs back from Japan.

00:10:55.000 Ford is bringing jobs back from Mexico.

00:10:58.000 And this year, Apple will start making Macs in America again.

00:11:07.000 There are things we can do.

00:11:22.000 Because, number one, he wasn't telling the truth.

00:11:24.000 You don't create jobs in America by redistributing income from taxpayers to companies.

00:11:29.000 You don't create jobs in America by giving special tax incentives to companies that would be more productive elsewhere.

00:11:34.000 That's not how you create jobs. 0.99

00:11:35.000 The way that you create jobs in America is by removing taxes and removing regulations, and not removing taxes for one company, removing taxes for all companies.

00:11:43.000 Otherwise, you are just granting special favors to one company at the expense of a competitor.

00:11:47.000 Carrier is not the only air conditioner and heating manufacturer in the United States.

00:11:51.000 And when you grant them special tax incentives, sure you might save the thousand jobs there, but how about all the people who have to pay the extra money for the stimulus?

00:11:59.000 How about all the people who are competing with Carrier, who are gaining jobs because they're doing a better job than Carrier, and building up their own jobs base, and now they're screwed because they have to cut workers because they can't compete with Carrier, which is getting a thumb on the scale from the federal government.

00:12:13.000 Nobody wants to look at the unintended consequences of government interventionism because it's too easy to see that specific headline, carrier saves thousand jobs in Indiana.

00:12:21.000 But how, is the question.

00:12:23.000 Not what happened, how did it happen?

00:12:26.000 The essence of fascism lies in somebody saying, I did it, it happened.

00:12:30.000 It's happened.

00:12:32.000 The fight against fascism relies on you saying, okay, I need to know how and whether that was good.

00:12:36.000 Fascism relies on people saying, the sausage has been created, here is the sausage.

00:12:41.000 The essence of republicanism, small-r republicanism, the essence of democracy, is you saying, how did the sausage get made and was that legitimate?

00:12:48.000 That is you being a good citizen.

00:12:50.000 And so it's not being a bad citizen to ask how this happened and whether it's a good thing.

00:12:54.000 It's not being anti-American to make sure that the methods that were used to do this were good and not bad.

00:12:59.000 And by the way, you have to extend the logic out. 0.98

00:13:01.000 Paul Krugman, who is an idiot on economics, except for some trade theory, Paul Krugman 0.96

00:13:07.000 When he looked at this this morning, he says, well, Barack Obama created, you know, more jobs than this. 1.00

00:13:12.000 You'd have to do what Trump did.

00:13:14.000 You'd have to do that every day for every week for the next 30 years in order to save the number of jobs that Obama saved in the auto bailout.

00:13:22.000 And to a certain extent, he's right.

00:13:24.000 If you believe that stimulus, if you believe that special incentives, if you believe special giveaways save jobs, then why not just blow it up?

00:13:30.000 And that's actually Trump's plan.

00:13:31.000 He talks about $1 trillion infrastructure plan, which is just another boondoggle.

00:13:35.000 These infrastructure plans are boondoggles.

00:13:38.000 This is populism.

00:13:39.000 It's not conservatism.

00:13:40.000 It's not conservatism.

00:13:41.000 It has nothing to do with conservatism.

00:13:43.000 And in a little while, I want to talk about a Stephen Moore piece that is really egregious here, but I just want to show you how far we've come.

00:13:49.000 Here is Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter, circa 2009, ripping on President Obama, saying he's going to keep American jobs in America by granting stimulus.

00:13:56.000 Discovered what was actually in this bill.

00:13:58.000 They were rejecting it in droves.

00:14:01.000 So what I don't understand, with all the bad nominees and the tax cheats and closing down Gitmo and weakening our defenses, Barack Obama in a little over two weeks was, as Victor Davis Hanson said, on the verge of an implosion.

00:14:14.000 Why would the Republicans help him bail him out here?

00:14:19.000 And that's why he went on TV and started claiming we were going to go in the Great Depression if we didn't pass this massive socialist bill.

00:14:27.000 I am, once again, awed by the wisdom of the American people.

00:14:33.000 A week ago, this bill had like 80% support.

00:14:35.000 As of today, it's 37% support.

00:14:39.000 And I don't think anybody's read the whole bill.

00:14:41.000 It's twice the size of War and Peace.

00:14:43.000 But people just find out more and more what is in this bill.

00:14:47.000 I think so.

00:15:04.000 Thank you.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - December 08, 2016

Ep. 220 - Trump Saved Jobs! But How?

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