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00:00:00.000Barack Obama spent an outsized portion of his presidency lecturing Americans about illegal immigration.
00:00:05.000He unilaterally suspended prosecutions of a wide swath of illegal immigrants through his executive amnesty, meanwhile railing all about the evils of the Republicans.
00:00:14.000He ripped Donald Trump's supposed xenophobia
00:00:19.000But Obama and Democrats don't actually care about illegal immigrants.
00:00:22.000In fact, they would actually prefer that illegal immigrants retain that status so they can be used as a political sword against Republicans.
00:00:29.000The fact is on full display this morning.
00:00:32.000After a senior policy advisor to Obama said Obama would not confer a blanket pardon on illegal immigrants, Cecilia Munoz, who's a domestic policy advisor, she said, quote,
00:00:41.000I know that people are hoping for use of a pardon authority as a way to protect people.
00:00:45.000It's ultimately not for a couple of reasons.
00:00:47.000One is that general pardon authority is generally designed for criminal violations, not civil.
00:00:51.000But it also doesn't confer legal status, only Congress can do that, and so ultimately it wouldn't protect a single soul from deportation, so it's not an answer here for this population.
00:01:00.000That, by the way, was also true of Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals and Deferred Action for Parents of Americans program, that's DACA and DAPA.
00:01:07.000They didn't grant citizenship or prevent future deportations.
00:01:10.000They merely stopped deportations here and now.
00:01:12.000Pardoning illegal immigrants would remove the legal pretext for deportation.
00:01:16.000Other crimes, such as fraud, if you're using a social security number that's false, that would still be prosecutable, but it might not be punishable with deportation.
00:01:24.000In fact, Obama could pardon those crimes as well, removing all legal grounds for prosecution.
00:01:29.000This isn't making the case Obama should pardon illegal immigrants, of course.
00:01:32.000It would be the essence of lawlessness, a gross abuse of the executive power.
00:01:35.000But Obama hasn't typically cared about any of that in the past, including on illegal immigration.
00:02:10.000Tons to get to today here on the Ben Shapiro Show, and we'll get to it all.
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00:03:48.000With a continuation of a theme a little bit from yesterday.
00:03:51.000And that, of course, is this situation with carriers.
00:03:54.000So, one of the things that I've been preaching, and I'm going to continue to preach here, is that we need to call out Trump when he's wrong, and we need to compliment him when he's right.
00:04:01.000I know that my good friend Andrew Klavan doesn't feel the same way.
00:04:04.000Klavan and I had this conversation off-air just before the program.
00:04:08.000I was talking about this carrier deal, which I'll explain in just a minute and why I think it's a problem.
00:04:12.000And he was saying, yeah, but overall Trump is doing a good job.
00:04:15.000I said, I may very well agree that overall Trump is doing a pretty good job, but that doesn't require me to ignore when he does things that are bad.
00:04:21.000See, that argument that Trump overall is good, that's an election argument.
00:04:24.000That's an argument that he's going to be better than Hillary, for example.
00:04:27.000But Hillary's no longer in the picture.
00:04:29.000Now your obligation as a citizen is to make sure the president does as many things as you can get him to do that you want him to do.
00:05:01.000That doesn't deal with the main issue, which is that he just embezzled from you.
00:05:04.000You might want to address the embezzlement if you don't want future embezzlement.
00:05:07.000I would prefer to stop Donald Trump from ruining his presidency with bad policy than I would to just compliment him when he thinks that he does things that are bad.
00:05:15.000I think the carrier deal is bad, and let me explain why I think the carrier deal is bad.
00:05:21.000The best way for me to explain why I think the Carrier deal is bad is, number one, let me explain to you, let me state the problem.
00:05:28.000The problem is not just that the Carrier deal is bad.
00:05:30.000For people who missed it, Carrier is an air conditioning and heating manufacturer located in Indiana.
00:05:34.000They were going to shift 1,000 jobs to Mexico, and now they're not.
00:05:37.000And they say they're not going to, basically because the state of Indiana offered them some tax incentives, and also because Donald Trump threatened them.
00:05:44.000That's basically what it comes down to.
00:05:46.000According to the New York Times, or others from Politico, John Moots, a former Indiana lieutenant governor who sits on an agency board in Indiana, he told Politico Carrier turned down a previous offer from that board before the election that offered all these tax incentives for Carrier to stay in Indiana.
00:06:02.000He said he thinks the choice is driven by concerns from Carrier's parent company, United Technologies,
00:06:06.000That it could lose a portion of its roughly $6.7 billion in federal contracts.
00:06:10.000So in other words, what happened here is that it cost Carrier something like $65 million to keep these jobs in Indiana.
00:06:16.000And so the question was, why would $4 or $5 million of tax incentives from Indiana keep those jobs there?
00:06:23.000And the answer is, they wouldn't, right?
00:06:57.000Every defense department technology contract, every defense department contract by law, has to go through a bidding process.
00:07:03.000And that bidding process requires you to show that you can provide the best product for the cheapest.
00:07:07.000So that means that presumably, if the law was obeyed, then the defense department contracts with United Technologies were the best contracts that were available.
00:07:15.000That's the whole goal of having a bidding process.
00:07:17.000Now Trump is saying, I know that was the best deal available, and it's still the best deal available.
00:07:22.000But screw that, I'm going to spend twice as much money on some other company just to punish United Technologies because I want my headline from them and I want my headline right now.
00:07:29.000I want the headline that says that I saved a thousand jobs so I can go around the country bragging about how I saved a thousand jobs.
00:07:39.000Linked in any way to fascism with regard to race or fascism with regard to religion.
00:07:44.000Economic fascism is an actual economic philosophy, it's called corporatism, that believes that the federal government should pick winners and losers.
00:07:51.000And it originated in Italy with Mussolini.
00:07:55.000This notion that the government should pick winners and losers, that basically corporation and corporatism, they share the same root.
00:08:07.000The idea is that the entire economy is like a body, and the federal government, any government, should decide which parts of the economy should be which parts of the body.
00:08:14.000So, you don't want, you don't want three hands, you want two hands.
00:08:18.000And that means that the government is going to decide which two companies should be those two hands.
00:09:03.000This is in 2009, February 2009, and conservatives ripped him a new one over this, as well they should have.
00:09:09.000Yesterday, Jim, the head of Caterpillar, said that if Congress passes our plan,
00:09:15.000This company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off.
00:09:20.000And that's a story I'm confident will be repeated at companies across the country.
00:09:25.000Companies that are currently struggling to borrow money, selling their products, struggling to make payroll, but could find themselves in a different position when we start implementing the plan.
00:09:36.000Rather than downsizing, they may be able to start growing again.
00:09:41.000Rather than cutting jobs, they may be able to create them again.
00:09:44.000That's the goal at the heart of this plan, to create jobs.
00:09:47.000And not just any jobs, not just make work jobs, but putting people to work, doing the work that America needs done.
00:09:56.000Repairing our infrastructure, modernizing our schools and our hospitals, promoting the- So that's Barack Obama, circa February 2009, talking about how Caterpillar had pledged that they were going to keep the jobs there.
00:10:06.000Now the CEO of Caterpillar came out very shortly after, he said, well no, we never promised that we were going to do anything like that.
00:10:21.000In 2013, in Obama's State of the Union address, he name-checked Caterpillar and he said, look at all the jobs that I personally have saved by using the federal government as this cram-down mechanism by threatening people and cajoling people and giving them special stimulus packages.
00:10:34.000Look at all the jobs that I've saved, including in places like Caterpillar.
00:10:39.000Our first priority is making America a magnet for new jobs in manufacturing.
00:10:44.000After shedding jobs for more than 10 years, our manufacturers have added about 500,000 jobs over the past three.
00:10:52.000Caterpillar is bringing jobs back from Japan.
00:10:55.000Ford is bringing jobs back from Mexico.
00:10:58.000And this year, Apple will start making Macs in America again.
00:11:35.000The way that you create jobs in America is by removing taxes and removing regulations, and not removing taxes for one company, removing taxes for all companies.
00:11:43.000Otherwise, you are just granting special favors to one company at the expense of a competitor.
00:11:47.000Carrier is not the only air conditioner and heating manufacturer in the United States.
00:11:51.000And when you grant them special tax incentives, sure you might save the thousand jobs there, but how about all the people who have to pay the extra money for the stimulus?
00:11:59.000How about all the people who are competing with Carrier, who are gaining jobs because they're doing a better job than Carrier, and building up their own jobs base, and now they're screwed because they have to cut workers because they can't compete with Carrier, which is getting a thumb on the scale from the federal government.
00:12:13.000Nobody wants to look at the unintended consequences of government interventionism because it's too easy to see that specific headline, carrier saves thousand jobs in Indiana.
00:12:32.000The fight against fascism relies on you saying, okay, I need to know how and whether that was good.
00:12:36.000Fascism relies on people saying, the sausage has been created, here is the sausage.
00:12:41.000The essence of republicanism, small-r republicanism, the essence of democracy, is you saying, how did the sausage get made and was that legitimate?
00:13:14.000You'd have to do that every day for every week for the next 30 years in order to save the number of jobs that Obama saved in the auto bailout.
00:13:24.000If you believe that stimulus, if you believe that special incentives, if you believe special giveaways save jobs, then why not just blow it up?
00:13:41.000It has nothing to do with conservatism.
00:13:43.000And in a little while, I want to talk about a Stephen Moore piece that is really egregious here, but I just want to show you how far we've come.
00:13:49.000Here is Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter, circa 2009, ripping on President Obama, saying he's going to keep American jobs in America by granting stimulus.
00:13:56.000Discovered what was actually in this bill.
00:14:01.000So what I don't understand, with all the bad nominees and the tax cheats and closing down Gitmo and weakening our defenses, Barack Obama in a little over two weeks was, as Victor Davis Hanson said, on the verge of an implosion.
00:14:14.000Why would the Republicans help him bail him out here?
00:14:19.000And that's why he went on TV and started claiming we were going to go in the Great Depression if we didn't pass this massive socialist bill.
00:14:27.000I am, once again, awed by the wisdom of the American people.
00:14:33.000A week ago, this bill had like 80% support.
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