The Ben Shapiro Show


Ep. 253 - Flynn's Out -- What The Hell Happened?


Summary

At the Grammys on Sunday, a great crime against humanity occurred with the entire world watching, leaving Beyonce, the greatest human being who has ever graced our planet, out in the cold again. Why? Why, God, why? RACISM! Never mind that Adele s 25 was the top selling album of the year while Beyonce s Lemonade showed up at No. 4, and then Adele had to apologize to Beyonce for winning the Album of the Year. And then she split her Grammy in half and said, I can t possibly accept this award. After all, Lemonade is groundbreaking, a work of heartbreaking genius, with which only heaven or heaven s angel could have seen fit to grace us. Who else but Queen Bee could have given us these immortal lines? Y'all haters, it's a conspiracy, y'all! Yall, haters. With that being said, Hollywood clearly has a problem, but it isn't racism. It's race-based stupidity. And that's what we're all here for, folks. Ben Shapiro's full of confusion, confusion, and confusion, as he tries to make sense of all of it. Plus, General Flynn's ouster from the National Security Adviser post, and why it's so confusing and confusing and confused and why we should boycott the awards show. And why the music industry must be boycotted until they recognize that incredibly rich, incredibly famous, world famous Black people have to win awards, otherwise they are just another repository of white racism. What's going on here? and why the social fabric is falling apart, folks? And why we can't we can t even watch music without Colin Kaepernick's lectures on slavery, right? And why Donald Trump should get a butt butt long enough to relax long enough for me to actually get the whole rest of the world to relax and actually get a little bit of rest And then relax enough to actually relax? and then relax a little? And then let me to sleep a little. -- Ben Shapiro -- - The Daily Wire's Ben Shapiro, The Ben Shapiro Show, The Weekly Standard (featuring Rachel Maddow, Rachel Goodman, The Root, The New York Times Magazine, and much, much more! -- The Root -- The Root's Peter Thiel, The Onion, and The New Yorker, The Cut, The Hollywood Reporter, and more!


Transcript

00:00:00.000 At the Grammys on Sunday, a great crime against humanity occurred with the entire world watching.
00:00:06.000 Adele won the top Grammy, leaving Beyonce, the greatest human being who has ever graced our planet, out in the cold.
00:00:13.000 Again.
00:00:14.000 Why?
00:00:15.000 Why, God, why?
00:00:16.000 RACISM!
00:00:18.000 Never mind that Adele's 25 was the top-selling album of the year while Beyonce's Lemonade showed up at number four, Adele had to apologize to Beyonce for winning the album of the year, and then she split her Grammy in half and said, quote, I can't possibly accept this award.
00:00:31.000 The Lemonade album was just so monumental.
00:00:33.000 Yes, Lemonade is groundbreaking.
00:00:35.000 Beethoven-esque, a work of heartbreaking genius, with which only heaven or heaven's angel.
00:00:41.000 Could have seen fit to grace us.
00:00:42.000 Who else but Queen Bee could have given us these immortal lines?
00:00:45.000 Y'all haters corny with that Illuminati mess.
00:00:48.000 Paparazzi, catch my fly and my cocky fresh.
00:00:53.000 The echoes of Shakespeare ring in every romantic lyric.
00:00:56.000 So, why wouldn't artists of color naturally assume that Adele's victory at the Grammys represents a new form of Jim Crow?
00:01:02.000 Here's the New York Times, quote, Before the 59th annual Grammy Awards on Sunday, the music industry murmured about what it might mean for Adele to once again sweep the top awards, leaving Beyoncé snubbed in the major categories and with her third loss for Album of the Year.
00:01:16.000 Having long faced accusations that the Grammys overlook young, progressive black artists, the last woman to win Album of the Year was Lauryn Hill in 1999.
00:01:23.000 The Recording Academy faced a potential backlash for going all-in on a white, traditionalist choice like Adele.
00:01:28.000 In the last five years especially, albums by Frank Ocean, Mr. Lamar, and Beyonce have been passed over for the top award in favor of releases by white artists Mumford & Sons, Daft Punk, Beck, Taylor Swift, and Adele.
00:01:41.000 So, now the Grammys are just another repository of white racism.
00:01:44.000 But, it's not enough that everyone in the music industry must pay tribute to Beyonce.
00:01:49.000 It's not enough for the top-selling artists on the planet to bow before Beyonce, as required under international law.
00:01:54.000 No, the Grammys must be boycotted until they recognize that incredibly rich, incredibly beautiful, world-famous black people have to win awards.
00:02:02.000 Otherwise, they are just Bull Connor.
00:02:04.000 Does anyone wonder why our culture is falling apart?
00:02:06.000 Why the social fabric is fraying?
00:02:07.000 We can't even listen to music or watch a silly music awards show without being hit with Colin Kaepernick lectures on the legacies of slavery, even while the whole world falls prostrate before the glories of Juju, celebrating ancient fertility rituals reenacted on stage as New Testament living tableaus.
00:02:23.000 Yes, Hollywood clearly has a problem, but it isn't racism.
00:02:27.000 It's race-based stupidity.
00:02:28.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:02:29.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:02:35.000 Alrighty, so, we will get to General Flynn's ouster in just one second, and there's a lot to talk about there, because it's a very confusing and confused story.
00:02:43.000 There are a lot of angles to it, so we're going to analyze it from every single available angle, as we are apt to do!
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00:03:44.000 Okay, so lots of chaos last night.
00:03:46.000 So it's always irritating when news breaks really late at night because I'm all ready to go to bed and my kids have stopped being a pain in the butt long enough for me to actually relax a little bit.
00:03:53.000 And then Donald Trump fires his national security advisor and all hell breaks loose.
00:04:13.000 I love my children, but they didn't let me sleep a lot last night.
00:04:16.000 Neither, it turns out, did Mike Flynn and Donald Trump.
00:04:19.000 So, last night, very late, Donald Trump fires Mike Flynn.
00:04:23.000 So they're saying that Mike Flynn resigned and then Trump accepted the resignation.
00:04:25.000 It's the same difference.
00:04:26.000 It doesn't really make a difference.
00:04:27.000 Bottom line is the National Security Advisor, he submitted his resignation and Donald Trump accepted the resignation.
00:04:34.000 Which raises a question.
00:04:36.000 What exactly did Michael Flynn do?
00:04:38.000 So you may have noticed that here on The Ben Shapiro Show, we have not been covering the unfolding Michael Flynn saga at all.
00:04:44.000 At all.
00:04:44.000 And that's a conscious choice.
00:04:46.000 And the reason it's a conscious choice is because there was no evidence that anything super wrong happened.
00:04:50.000 There were a bunch of kind of rumors that maybe Flynn had talked to the Russians about sanctions before he was actually national security advisor while Obama was still president.
00:04:58.000 And then he had denied those rumors and then the FBI had investigated and they said they found nothing untoward.
00:05:03.000 And so we didn't cover any of that because it just seemed like a lot of back and forth.
00:05:06.000 And frankly, even if it had come out that National Security Advisor General Michael Flynn had spoken with the Russian ambassador about sanctions, I don't think it's that big a deal.
00:05:18.000 I don't.
00:05:19.000 I mean, he was going to be the national security advisor in like three weeks.
00:05:22.000 Trump was going to be president in three weeks.
00:05:24.000 Barack Obama was openly offering flexibility to the Russians in the middle of an election campaign as president of the United States.
00:05:30.000 In 2008, Barack Obama reached out to the Iranian government before he was president to tell them to just hold on.
00:05:35.000 He was coming to help.
00:05:37.000 So, I didn't see any of this as a big deal.
00:05:39.000 I still don't understand what the huge deal here was.
00:05:43.000 Here's sort of the timeline, okay?
00:05:44.000 In a February 8th interview, this is according to the Washington Post.
00:05:47.000 In a February 8th interview with the Washington Post, Flynn categorically denied discussing sanctions with Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak, repeating public assertions made in January by top Trump officials.
00:05:57.000 So, Vice President Pence had said that
00:06:01.000 That Flynn never talked to Kislyak about sanctions, and so did Sean Spicer.
00:06:05.000 One day after the interview, Flynn revised his account.
00:06:07.000 He told the Washington Post through a spokesman he couldn't be certain the topic never came up.
00:06:12.000 U.S.
00:06:12.000 intelligence reports during the 2016 campaign showed Kislyak was in touch with Flynn, according to officials.
00:06:18.000 Communications between the two continued after Trump's victory on November 8, according to officials with access to intelligence reports on this matter.
00:06:26.000 So Trump officials, including, as I say, Spicer and Vice President Pence, they had said the same thing to the media that Flynn had said, which is that he never talked sanctions.
00:06:34.000 Now, would this have been a big deal even if he did talk sanctions?
00:06:37.000 Again, I don't really see why it would.
00:06:40.000 I don't see why it would.
00:06:41.000 Nonetheless, he has now resigned.
00:06:43.000 Supposedly he resigned.
00:06:44.000 The reason that they're giving for him resigning is because they say that he lied to Pence, that he told Pence he didn't discuss sanctions, he actually discussed sanctions, and then Pence went on national TV, and then
00:06:54.000 He was undercut by the fact that Flynn had actually talked sanctions and so he had to go.
00:06:59.000 Maybe.
00:07:00.000 Maybe.
00:07:00.000 I find it highly doubtful that that couldn't be fixed with an apology.
00:07:03.000 That Donald Trump couldn't have just gone to Flynn and said, you need to apologize to Pence.
00:07:06.000 I understand that you didn't think Pence needed to be on the loop on that, but he needs to be in the loop on that.
00:07:11.000 You need to issue a public apology and we all move on with our lives.
00:07:14.000 The idea that that was enough to fire him, that doesn't seem particularly plausible.
00:07:20.000 Here's Flynn's resignation letter.
00:07:21.000 So here's what he said.
00:07:22.000 He said,
00:07:40.000 Okay, that seems like a pretty good excuse for everything right there.
00:07:43.000 He says,
00:07:55.000 You would think that would be the end of it, right?
00:07:57.000 But no, he actually resigned.
00:07:58.000 And then he goes on to talk about how he's tendering his resignation, and he's honored to serve President Trump, and he wants to thank Trump for his personal loyalty and the friendship of people he worked with throughout the hard-fought campaign, and he talks about President Trump's leadership, etc., etc., etc.
00:08:12.000 So, there are a bunch of theories floating around about what actually happened here, because
00:08:15.000 Here's the deal.
00:08:16.000 Okay, there were a bunch of leaks that came out of the administration suggesting that Flynn had actually talked sanctions on the line.
00:08:21.000 But it was Trump that had to fire him.
00:08:23.000 Trump had to accept the resignation.
00:08:25.000 Okay, so this is on Trump.
00:08:26.000 The real question here is why Trump, why he accepted the resignation.
00:08:30.000 We understand why the intel community is targeting Trump.
00:08:32.000 A lot of the intel community was appointed under Obama.
00:08:35.000 We understand there are members of the intel community who are upset with the idea that Trump might be close to the Russians.
00:08:40.000 Okay, those are leaks.
00:08:41.000 They're not good.
00:08:42.000 And Trump has responded to that.
00:08:43.000 We'll get to the leaking in just a second.
00:08:47.000 But the real question here is why Trump accepted the resignation in the first place.
00:08:50.000 And there are a few theories floating around, so I'm just going to offer you the theories and you decide for yourself based on evidence as it comes in.
00:08:55.000 Theory one is he lied to Pence, and presumably Trump didn't know about it either, right?
00:09:01.000 And so Flynn basically went rogue and lied to everybody about having discussed sanctions on this call.
00:09:07.000 Do I think that's a super plausible theory?
00:09:09.000 Nah, I don't think it's a super plausible theory that he was discussing sanctions on this phone call with the Russians and he lied to everybody and that pissed off Trump so much that Trump had to let him go.
00:09:16.000 That does not seem super plausible to me, specifically because Trump knew one month ago that this was the case and then he proceeded to appoint Flynn anyway.
00:09:24.000 So that seems implausible.
00:09:26.000 There's another theory, and I think this is the most plausible theory, which is that Trump said to Flynn, you go ahead and you talk to the Russian ambassador, say what you want to say,
00:09:34.000 He didn't explicitly tell him to talk about sanctions, but Flynn talked about sanctions, and then there was blowback, and Trump didn't like the blowback, and so he threw Flynn under the bus.
00:09:42.000 So Flynn offered his resignation, and there was all these leaks coming out suggesting strong ties between Flynn and the Russians, despite the fact that people have been accusing Flynn of this for literally months, and Trump had gone along with him.
00:09:53.000 And so Trump said, OK, you have to go.
00:09:55.000 And he used the Pence thing as sort of a pretext.
00:09:58.000 Then there's theory three, which is that Pence and Reince Priebus, the RNC chair, they have enough sway within the administration to force Trump to toss Flynn out on his ear for lying to them.
00:10:09.000 Again, I find that implausible.
00:10:10.000 Trump's the president of the United States.
00:10:12.000 If Pence doesn't like it, Pence can stick it.
00:10:14.000 I mean, Trump's the one with the power.
00:10:16.000 And then finally there's the fourth theory, and this is the one the left is glomming on to, and that's the theory that the real reason that Trump decapitated Flynn is because he thought that this was going to lead back to him.
00:10:24.000 That he actually told Flynn, go make nice with the Russians, he was afraid that that was going to come out, and then it did start to come out, so he decapitated Flynn hoping that would end the story.
00:10:32.000 Right?
00:10:32.000 That's sort of the theory.
00:10:35.000 I don't think so.
00:10:53.000 Then you need him to do better than this.
00:10:55.000 If you're rooting for Trump to have a successful presidency, you need him to do better than this.
00:10:58.000 And don't worry, we'll talk about the Democratic hypocrisy because there's tons of it.
00:11:01.000 We'll talk about the media wanting to get Trump because it really is vicious and nasty and drooling.
00:11:07.000 But first we have to talk about what's actually going on.
00:11:10.000 So, yes, there is chaos inside the administration.
00:11:12.000 That chaos was on full display yesterday.
00:11:14.000 Kellyanne Conway goes on national TV.
00:11:17.000 This is like 3.20 in the afternoon Pacific time.
00:11:20.000 She goes on national TV and she says that General Flynn has Trump's full trust.
00:11:24.000 Yes, General Flynn does enjoy the full confidence of the President, and this is a big week for General Flynn.
00:11:29.000 He's the point of contact for many of these foreign visits, if you look at the official schedule.
00:11:33.000 Today we had the Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau, here obviously for bilateral meetings.
00:11:38.000 On Wednesday we're welcoming Benjamin Netanyahu here to the White House.
00:11:42.000 And behind the scenes, they're doing a number of different meetings where they're talking about trade, they're talking about terrorism, security, the fact that Canada and the U.S.
00:11:51.000 are very— But the bottom line is, she says that Flynn has Trump's full trust.
00:11:55.000 And then, literally within an hour—so I guess that's about 4 o'clock Eastern time—so literally within an hour, Sean Spicer comes out and issues a statement saying, we're going to be releasing a statement about this.
00:12:05.000 So, clearly one hand is not talking to the other in any of this.
00:12:09.000 And remember, Donald Trump said just like last Friday that he had no idea what was going on with Flynn.
00:12:14.000 He hadn't been reading any of the reports.
00:12:16.000 He said he didn't know what reports that people were even talking about.
00:12:18.000 This is clip 19.
00:12:21.000 I don't know about it.
00:12:22.000 I haven't seen it.
00:12:39.000 I haven't seen it.
00:12:40.000 I'll look at that.
00:12:41.000 Okay, he hasn't seen it.
00:12:42.000 He'll look into it.
00:12:43.000 Except that the reports say that he was briefed on it over a month ago.
00:12:46.000 Okay, so there's a lot of confusion happening and then finally Flynn is gone and Paul Ryan comes out and says that Trump made the right decision on the Flynn resignation.
00:12:55.000 National security is perhaps the most important function or responsibility a president has.
00:13:02.000 And I think the president made the right decision to ask for his resignation.
00:13:05.000 You cannot have a national security advisor misleading the vice president and others.
00:13:10.000 So I think the president was right to ask for his resignation.
00:13:13.000 Okay, so even there, even there, there's a communications gap because Trump says that Flynn offered his resignation and now Ryan is saying that Trump asked for his resignation, right?
00:13:21.000 So there's all sorts of communications gaps here and a lot of confusion as to what exactly is going on.
00:13:27.000 One thing is clear, we're not, we don't know all the facts yet.
00:13:29.000 So all we can do is wait to hear all the facts.
00:13:31.000 Again, I'm puzzled.
00:13:32.000 The reason I'm, you know, talking about this and the reason I think it's interesting is because I'm puzzled as to why any of this was fireable.
00:13:38.000 I just don't see, like, of all the things that people around Donald Trump have done throughout the campaign and afterward that merit firing, it seems to me that talking to the Russians about sanctions before you actually take office is, like, the last thing on the list.
00:13:51.000 That's really low on the list.
00:13:53.000 And fibbing to Mike Pence and Sean Spicer, you think that Trump cares deeply about that?
00:13:56.000 Maybe he does.
00:13:57.000 If so, that'd be the first time that he's really been that tight with either of those guys.
00:14:02.000 And Paul Ryan, obviously, is part of the sort of Reince Priebus wing that wants to see Flynn go.
00:14:06.000 So there's a lot of talk today about the conflict inside the administration between Steve Bannon and his wing of the administration, and the Reince Priebus wing of the administration, because Bannon's outlets, like Breitbart today, they're pushing Priebus.
00:14:19.000 The headline at Breitbart today was that basically Priebus is responsible for Flynn's ouster, even though Trump is the one who did the firing.
00:14:26.000 A lot of confusion reigning.
00:14:27.000 So the best available explanation, the easiest available explanation, and the minimum explanation is that there's a lot of amateurishness and incompetence happening at the highest levels with regard to this particular issue.
00:14:39.000 And that's not a good thing.
00:14:41.000 Now, there's another issue that may be even deeper.
00:14:43.000 There's another issue here that may be even deeper.
00:14:46.000 And that is the leaks.
00:14:47.000 So, again, because we don't know the extent of what exactly happened here, why Trump fired Flynn, again, that's the big question.
00:14:53.000 Why did he accept the resignation?
00:14:55.000 There's a secondary question, and this is what Trump is focusing in on.
00:14:57.000 Trump tweeted out today that the real issue here is the leaks.
00:15:01.000 Why is his administration so damn leaky?
00:15:03.000 He tweeted out, the real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington?
00:15:07.000 Will these leaks be happening as ideal on North Korea, etc.?
00:15:10.000 Trump is obviously very frustrated with the intelligence community.
00:15:13.000 He's been saying that they've been leaking about him for literally months, and he's not wrong.
00:15:16.000 They have been leaking about him for literally months.
00:15:19.000 There's a certain irony to Donald Trump being very angry at leaks, considering that for literally a year and a half, he was happy with leaks so long as they helped him.
00:15:26.000 Now he's unhappy with leaks if they don't help him.
00:15:29.000 But it does demonstrate that the intel community
00:15:32.000 The so-called deep state is very invested in hurting Donald Trump and taking out a lot of people around him.
00:15:38.000 Is that for good reasons?
00:15:39.000 Is that for bad reasons?
00:15:40.000 We don't know, but it's not a good thing, okay?
00:15:42.000 The intel community is not supposed to be waging war against the administration that it's supposed to be serving.
00:15:48.000 And so Trump has a point here.
00:15:50.000 He does have a point.
00:15:50.000 Now, it still doesn't answer the question, right?
00:15:53.000 The intel community could be leaking and Trump could have just said, so what?
00:15:56.000 Leak what you want.
00:15:57.000 I'm keeping Flynn.
00:15:58.000 Deal.
00:15:59.000 But he didn't.
00:16:00.000 So that keeps that first question, what is Trump doing, on the table.
00:16:03.000 But yes, the intel community and their focus on Trump is going to be a long-standing problem for Trump.
00:16:09.000 I'm not sure how he cleans house.
00:16:10.000 I'm not sure what he does about it.
00:16:12.000 So two things can be true at once.
00:16:14.000 The leaks can be really egregious and they can be really heavy.
00:16:17.000 And second, there could be something nefarious going on inside the Trump administration, and we have to have an explanation as to why Trump actually fired Flynn, if nothing bad was happening here.
00:16:26.000 Again, I'm looking at the scandal, and I don't see the scandal.
00:16:29.000 Like, where's the scandal?
00:16:30.000 Why is it a scandal that the future NSA talks to the Russians?
00:16:34.000 I don't get it.
00:16:35.000 That Trump thought it was enough of a scandal to fire somebody, so we're not getting the full story in all of that, and that's a problem.
00:16:42.000 It's still raising, you know, credibility issues.
00:16:45.000 Matt Lauer interviewed Kellyanne Conway about this, and you can see the confusion.
00:16:49.000 You can see the fact that we now have a scandal on our hands because of what appears to be sort of a cover-up from the Trump administration.
00:16:55.000 Here's Matt Lauer with Kellyanne Conway, and Kellyanne looks really bad in this exchange.
00:16:59.000 Well, that's one characterization.
00:17:02.000 But the fact is that General Flynn continued in that position and was in the presidential daily briefings, was part of the leader calls as recently as yesterday, was there for the Prime Minister's visit from Canada yesterday.
00:17:14.000 And as time wore on, obviously the situation had become unsustainable and General Flynn
00:17:20.000 That makes no sense.
00:17:21.000 Last month the Justice Department warned the White House that General Flynn had misled them and that as a result he was vulnerable to blackmail and at that moment he still had the complete trust of the President?
00:17:37.000 Matt, I'm telling you what the President has said, which is that he's accepted General Flynn's resignation, and he wishes him well, and that we're moving on.
00:17:44.000 There are at least three candidates, very strong candidates, that will be considered for a permanent position here.
00:17:50.000 Obviously, General Keith Kellogg is the acting National Security Advisor starting today, and the President is moving forward.
00:17:57.000 And she continues by saying, we're not gonna say what we knew and when we knew it, which is never a good sign, okay?
00:18:02.000 You never want an administration saying that.
00:18:04.000 We're gonna get to the hypocrisy of the Democrats in the media here in just a second, because it is rich.
00:18:08.000 It is rich.
00:18:09.000 There's absolutely rich, disgusting hypocrisy from the Democrats in the media.
00:18:12.000 The media are claiming this is the biggest cover-up, the biggest story since Iran-Contra.
00:18:16.000 Absolute garbage.
00:18:17.000 Not true.
00:18:18.000 The Obama administration was replete with corrupt, nasty officials doing corrupt, nasty things who were never fired by Obama.
00:18:24.000 At least Trump fired Flynn, okay?
00:18:26.000 So, we still have to know why.
00:18:28.000 I think that's the big question here.
00:18:29.000 Because, again, I don't see what Flynn did that was so wrong here that an apology couldn't have solved.
00:18:34.000 But the idea that this is unprecedented, that this is something new, that this is the worst since Iran-Contra, a bunch of crap, just absolute crap.
00:18:41.000 The National Security Advisor under Barack Obama, Ben Rhodes, was literally a fiction writer who literally wrote a fictional story about how Iran had reached out to the United States, the moderates in Iran, over an Iran nuclear deal.
00:18:52.000 The entire media swallowed the entire thing whole.
00:18:55.000 And then, and then Rhodes came out and said, yeah, I fooled y'all and no one cared.
00:18:59.000 Susan Rice, the UN ambassador, went on national television and lied, what was it, 13 times?
00:19:04.000 About how a YouTube video was responsible for what happened in Benghazi.
00:19:07.000 Or she was lied to by the CIA.
00:19:08.000 It's the same sort of situation.
00:19:10.000 And no one seemed to care on the left.
00:19:12.000 So there's rich hypocrisy happening all over from the Democrats to the media.
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