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Ep. 258 - Is The Enemy Of Our Enemy Our Friend?


Summary

Trump is a hero to the right, and a villain to the left. That s why the media loves him so much, and why it s so hard to figure out if he s a conservative or not a conservative. In this episode, I explain why Trump is a monster to the media, and how the media's hatred of him is actually a reflection of the fact that they don t give him the time of day, and don t care enough to give him a chance to shine, and that s why they care so much about what he says and how he says it, because they care too much about who he thinks he is and what he thinks they think he thinks about him and why they think that he s not a good enough or bad enough man to be president. The enemy of your enemy isn t always your enemy. Sometimes your enemy is your enemy, and sometimes he s your friend. - Robert Downey journo, John McCain, on CNN's Meet the Press with Chuck Todd and Chris Wallace, on the importance of identity politics and identity politics, and the role identity politics plays in the media s hatred of Donald Trump and the Trump administration, and what it means to be a conservative and a hero. If you don t like Donald Trump, you re in for a special episode of The New York Times article on the next episode of the new season of New York Magazine's Hard Knocks with John Rocha, coming soon, on Hard Knucklehead, on Monday, March 5th, at 7/23rd, at 9/28th at The FiveThirtyEight, at 8/30th at the New York, and check out the linktr.ee/TheNew York Times/The FiveThirtyeight on the right and the New Republic. . and The New Republic's new podcast on the left, The Weekly Standard's new book on Trump's newest podcast, "Trump's New York Review of Trump's Most Powerful Person on the Right and the Left's Most Influential Person of the Week, by John McCain's new novel, "The White House Correspondent's Notebook." by Tom Connolly. by by David Axelrod, on his new book, . . by Michael Bloomberg, by John Ralderman, and , and by Mark Cuban, is in the new book "Trump s Most Powerful Man in America's Most Effective Person in the World, and .


Transcript

00:00:00.000 In November, students at a historically black university in New Orleans led a massive protest against a speaker heavily supportive of Donald Trump.
00:00:07.000 Socially engaged Dillard University students, the group organizing against the speaker, wrote an open letter.
00:00:11.000 They said, quote, His presence on our campus is not welcome and overtly subjects the entire student body to safety risks and social ridicule.
00:00:18.000 This is simply outrageous.
00:00:19.000 The speaker's safety was guaranteed by the university and he proceeded to explain, quote, I will be Donald Trump's most loyal advocate.
00:00:25.000 The protesters were of the political left.
00:00:27.000 They chanted, no KKK, no fascist USA.
00:00:30.000 Protesters were hit with pepper spray and two of them were arrested.
00:00:32.000 So, here is the question for you.
00:00:35.000 Did this make inviting the speaker worthwhile?
00:00:37.000 The answer should be obvious.
00:00:38.000 From this account of events, you don't have enough information to say.
00:00:41.000 The speaker could have been Sheriff David Clark, or Rudy Giuliani, or Newt Gingrich, or Milo Yiannopoulos.
00:00:47.000 It wasn't.
00:00:47.000 It was David Duke, who also said at the same event, quote, If you did not answer that the story provided too little information for you to judge, it's time for you to check your biases.
00:01:03.000 Did you decide that the speaker was on the right because the protesters were on the left?
00:01:07.000 Did you decide the Speaker had something valuable to say if he ticked off the left enough?
00:01:10.000 If he melted enough snowflakes?
00:01:12.000 Unfortunately, many conservatives have embraced this sort of binary thinking.
00:01:15.000 If it pisses off the left, it must be virtuous.
00:01:18.000 Undoubtedly, that is a crude shorthand for political thinking.
00:01:20.000 It means you never have to check the ideas of the Speaker, you merely have to check how people respond to him.
00:01:25.000 Which is dangerous.
00:01:26.000 It leads to people supporting bad policies and bad men.
00:01:28.000 The enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend.
00:01:31.000 Sometimes, he's your enemy.
00:01:33.000 I don't know.
00:01:48.000 During the 2016 primaries, when the media attacked Donald Trump incessantly, driving Republicans into his outstretched arms, the media's obvious hatred for Trump was one of the chief arguments for Trump from his advocates.
00:01:58.000 They said, if, as his detractors claimed, he wasn't conservative, why would the leftist media hate him so much?
00:02:04.000 Now, to be fair, after Mitt Romney was bludgeoned at the hands of the media, there was at least a shred of justification for this logic.
00:02:09.000 Romney wasn't a hardcore conservative.
00:02:10.000 He wasn't a personal shambles.
00:02:12.000 He got savaged by the media anyway simply for the sin of having an R after his name.
00:02:15.000 The same thing happened to John McCain, a maverick Republican the leftist media had openly praised for years.
00:02:20.000 If the media opposed Trump with all their heart and all their soul, that must have been some sort of reaction to Trump himself.
00:02:25.000 It wasn't really, though.
00:02:26.000 It was a combination of factors, including the fact Trump was amazing press, and the press thought Trump was really weak.
00:02:31.000 More honest leftist commentators openly preferred Trump to more conservative candidates like Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio, but Trump's war with the media carried him to the nomination, and from there to the presidency.
00:02:40.000 In fact, Trump continues to live off of this backward logic.
00:02:43.000 His press conference last week, it wasn't a ballet of informational expertise and policy knowledge, nor was it a brilliant recasting of his policy successes.
00:02:51.000 It was a blunderbuss attack on the media, and it was extremely entertaining, it was occasionally daft, it was occasionally ridiculous, but a lot of people on the right immediately concluded it was the most successful press conference in the history of the world.
00:03:01.000 Not because it was actually successful with Americans, there was not a lot of evidence of that, but because it was successfully assaulting the media who had it coming.
00:03:08.000 Never mind if Trump lied to the media, the media were angry, which meant it worked.
00:03:11.000 Watching Chuck Todd fulminate, and Chris Wallace rage, and Don Lemon bemusedly tut-tut, it scratched conservatives where they itch, and it made Trump a hero.
00:03:20.000 None of which is to argue that Trump is lefty, or that conservatives are wrong to support a lot of his policies.
00:03:24.000 We'll talk about his policies in a second.
00:03:26.000 But if your standard of right and wrong is whether the left hates it, you're making a category error.
00:03:31.000 It is not good enough to just be opposed by the left.
00:03:33.000 You actually have to oppose the left.
00:03:35.000 We must ask what someone is fighting against, not merely whom.
00:03:39.000 We must ask what tools they're using, and we must insist they use the truth.
00:03:43.000 Ideas and values matter more than identity, but not anymore.
00:03:46.000 The left's identity politics focuses on race and ethnicity and sexual identity, aspects of identity that place you somewhere in the hierarchy of intersectionality.
00:03:55.000 The right's identity politics comes with a label, enemy of the left.
00:03:58.000 So long as you're wearing that button, you're presumptively on our side and you're nearly bulletproof.
00:04:02.000 Until it turns out that you're not.
00:04:04.000 Until we jump the wrong way because we substituted political laziness for a philosophy.
00:04:09.000 Until we embrace somebody nasty because the other side hated him or her and stopped caring about the truth so long as the other side is triggered.
00:04:16.000 Then we become the bad guys.
00:04:17.000 And that's a big problem.
00:04:19.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:04:19.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:04:25.000 Okay, so I want to talk a lot more about sort of this enemy of my enemy is my friend routine that we're getting from a lot of folks on the right, why that isn't true, and how we can actually identify enemies.
00:04:33.000 In a second, we're also going to talk about Donald Trump's policies.
00:04:36.000 He's rolled out a bunch of policy that's actually pretty good, and I want to talk about a lot of the policy that he's been rolling out.
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00:06:08.000 Okay, so I want to talk a little bit about Donald Trump's policy.
00:06:10.000 So, this is fun.
00:06:11.000 Let's do Good Trump, Bad Trump, because we actually get to do some Good Trump today, which is exciting.
00:06:14.000 So, Good Trump, Bad Trump.
00:06:17.000 Good Trump, Bad Trump, which one will we get today?
00:06:22.000 And as always, thanks to our composer, Brandon Snipes.
00:06:25.000 Here is Donald Trump.
00:06:26.000 Good Trump!
00:06:27.000 Yay!
00:06:28.000 There it is, good Trump.
00:06:29.000 So, that whole Mike Flynn debacle with the National Security Advisor, that ended up actually working out pretty well for the country because Mike Flynn is out and the guy who replaced him is a guy named H.R.
00:06:37.000 McMaster.
00:06:37.000 Now, H.R.
00:06:38.000 McMaster is a lieutenant general.
00:06:41.000 And he is terrific.
00:06:42.000 I've read his book, Dereliction of Duty.
00:06:44.000 I read it, must have been now, seven, eight years ago, because there was a point when I think the Army, the War College, they posted online their recommended reading list.
00:06:51.000 I read everything on the recommended reading list, and one of those books was H.R.
00:06:54.000 McMaster's book on the Vietnam War called Dereliction of Duty, about the strategy that came out of the JFK and LBJ administrations with regard to the Vietnam War, why the strategy was flawed, and why the military should have stood up
00:07:06.000 We're good to go.
00:07:25.000 Second of all, his army resume is really, really extensive.
00:07:29.000 His previous command assignments included the Eagle Troop, 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment in Germany, and then Southwest Asia during the First Gulf War.
00:07:36.000 He was a commander during Afghanistan, he was a commander during Iraq.
00:07:41.000 He wrote Dereliction of Duty, which as I say is a really good book.
00:07:43.000 You should go to Amazon right now and pick it up.
00:07:45.000 It's really a first rate read.
00:07:47.000 He's a great writer and he's a really good thinker.
00:07:49.000 He was critical of both how Afghanistan and Iraq were planned.
00:07:52.000 So, what he wrote in Survival Magazine, he wrote, gaps between prior visions of future warfare and the nature of the eventual wars themselves complicated efforts to adapt strategy over time.
00:08:02.000 Minimalist linear plans in place at the outset of both wars were disconnected from the ambition of broader policy objectives and the complexity of the operating environment.
00:08:10.000 Indeed, recent war plans have at times been essentially narcissistic, failing to account for interactions with determined enemies and other complicating variables.
00:08:17.000 He was writing this in real time.
00:08:18.000 He was saying in real time, our strategy is not going to meet your objectives.
00:08:21.000 If you want a long-term occupation, this ain't going to work.
00:08:24.000 He used his own strategy in a place called Tal Afar in Iraq, and George W. Bush called it a model of a successful strategy.
00:08:31.000 He figured that Iraq could not build its own institutions, political or military, until safety was secured, so he devised his own plan in which he and his troops cleared the towns of insurgents and formed alliances, built trust with the local sheikhs and tribal leaders, and the campaign worked for a while, but only because McMaster flooded the area, right?
00:08:47.000 He actually did what he had suggested in Dereliction of Duty.
00:08:49.000 He flooded the area, and that was what they called the Clear Hold Build strategy.
00:08:53.000 Petraeus used McMaster as sort of his brain in devising his strategy with regard to Iraq.
00:08:59.000 He was not selected for a Brigadier General promotion before he finally received it in 2014.
00:09:04.000 One of the reasons for that is because there are a bunch of retired generals who said that he was upending the system too much.
00:09:09.000 They didn't want to reward him.
00:09:11.000 He is warned about cuts to the army.
00:09:12.000 He's a really, really good nominee.
00:09:13.000 He's about the best guy you could have in this particular slot.
00:09:16.000 And he has also, in short, he says that he would not come in, he said that he would not join, basically, unless he was guaranteed the picking of his own staff.
00:09:29.000 So this was actually a big issue as Flynn left, was Trump wanted to maintain Flynn's staff, and McMaster came in and said, listen, you want me?
00:09:35.000 You're going to have to let me pick my own guys, which is great.
00:09:37.000 You want people like McMaster surrounding himself with really good people and giving Donald Trump really good advice.
00:09:42.000 So whether Trump takes that advice, we'll find out.
00:09:44.000 But good for Donald Trump for picking McMaster.
00:09:46.000 Really, really good pick there.
00:09:48.000 Other things that are good that Donald Trump is doing.
00:09:49.000 So, he's getting a lot of flack today because the White House has now stepped away from the transgender bathroom nonsense that Barack Obama foisted on the nation when he suggested that the federal government was going to cram down on local schools all around the country.
00:10:03.000 The idea that people could go to the bathroom, basically, of their choice.
00:10:08.000 Or that accommodated the sex with which they identify, not their actual biological sex.
00:10:14.000 Trump has stepped away from that as well he should.
00:10:16.000 However you stand on the transgender bathroom debate, which is really a silly debate in my opinion, however you stand on it, this should be a local control issue.
00:10:23.000 This should not be a federal issue.
00:10:24.000 The idea that the federal government stepped in there in the first place is idiotic.
00:10:28.000 And good for Trump for stepping away from it.
00:10:30.000 Apparently, Betsy DeVos, the Secretary of Education, wanted to maintain that policy.
00:10:36.000 And the Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, did not.
00:10:39.000 And Trump sided with Sessions.
00:10:40.000 Right call from Donald Trump.
00:10:41.000 Other good things that are happening under Trump.
00:10:43.000 Scott Pruitt, who's the new head of the Environmental Protection Agency, he gave a speech at the EPA in which he basically told the regulators, look guys, your job is not to punish businesses.
00:10:51.000 Your job is to create a stable set of regulations that are predictable
00:10:55.000 Regulations ought to make things regular.
00:10:57.000 Regulators exist to give certainty to those that they regulate.
00:11:12.000 Those that we regulate ought to know what's expected of them so that they can plan and allocate resources to comply.
00:11:18.000 That's really the job of a regulator.
00:11:21.000 And the process that we engage in in adopting regulations is very, very important.
00:11:27.000 Because it sends a message.
00:11:29.000 It sends a message that we take seriously our role of taking comment and offering response, and then making informed decisions on how it's going to impact those in the marketplace.
00:11:41.000 This all sounds very vague, but what he's actually saying is that what regulators very often do is they make their own priorities the priority.
00:11:47.000 They don't care about creating a stable business environment so that people know what the rules are, and they're constantly throwing monkey wrenches into the works.
00:11:55.000 So good for Scott Pruitt.
00:11:56.000 Scott Pruitt's a very good pick at EPA.
00:11:58.000 I think he's really going to reform things over there.
00:12:00.000 Where things are a little bit more vague remains on the deportation policy, what that's actually going to look like.
00:12:04.000 So I wanted to talk about an email that I received yesterday, which I thought was really an interesting and good email that is worthy of thought and discussion.
00:12:12.000 So I got an email yesterday from a person who suggested that yesterday when I said, you know, when we're overrating, you know, the level of change here,
00:12:22.000 Everybody needs to calm down a little bit.
00:12:24.000 Everybody needs to stop worrying quite so much because not that much has happened yet.
00:12:27.000 You know, why is everybody really going crazy?
00:12:30.000 And this immigration lawyer wrote to me, who listens to the program, and he said, well, you know, I think that that's a little bit overstated.
00:12:37.000 Like, there are people whose lives have actually changed.
00:12:39.000 There are people whose lives have actually changed.
00:12:41.000 And he said, particularly in the immigration sphere.
00:12:43.000 So he's an immigration lawyer.
00:12:44.000 And what he said is that he is... I'm trying to find the exact email now.
00:12:48.000 What he basically said
00:12:50.000 We're good to go.
00:13:14.000 But then they've also said that they're not going to be in favor of mass deportations, but then they've also arrested people who have come in to report their immigration compliance, to check in with the court, and then these people have been arrested and deported, which has been a problem.
00:13:28.000 I think that's a fair critique.
00:13:29.000 I do think that that's a fair critique.
00:13:30.000 Sean Spicer didn't help when he added to the confusion a little bit yesterday.
00:13:34.000 Here is Sean Spicer talking about mass deportations.
00:13:38.000 Is one of the goals here mass deportation?
00:13:41.000 No.
00:13:43.000 Look, I think what we have to get back to is understanding a couple things.
00:13:48.000 There's a law in place that says, you know, if you're in this country illegally, that we have an obligation to make sure that the people who are in our country are here legally.
00:13:58.000 What the order sets out today is ensures that the million or so people that have been adjudicated already
00:14:05.000 That there's a, that ICE prioritizes, creates a system of prioritization, and make sure that we walk through that system in a way that protects this country.
00:14:14.000 This is consistent with everything the President has talked about, which is prioritizing the people who are here who represent a threat to public safety or have a criminal record.
00:14:24.000 And all this does is lay out the exact procedures to make sure that that subgroup of people
00:14:29.000 who pose a threat to our nation because of a conviction or a violation of public safety or have a criminal record are adjudicated first and foremost.
00:14:38.000 That's it, plain and simple.
00:14:40.000 Okay, so that's fine, except for the fact that the executive order does a little bit more than that.
00:14:44.000 So what you're getting from the Trump administration is we're not going to mass deport, we're not knocking down doors, and then what you're getting in terms of the actual policy that's written out is that they have the capacity to do that.
00:14:53.000 A little bit of clarity would be good.
00:14:54.000 I think that it would be good for Ann Coulter's heart rate if we could get a little clarity on what this policy actually looks like because it's still a little bit vague.
00:15:02.000 We don't know what it looks like.
00:15:03.000 So when I say don't panic yet, I'm not saying that we shouldn't keep an eye on it.
00:15:07.000 I'm saying that we need better definition before we panic.
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00:17:02.000 Okay, so with all of this said, with all of the stuff that Trump is doing, a lot of which is really good, now we have to discuss how we define and how we determine
00:17:19.000 Whether conservatives, when conservatives should stick with Trump and when they shouldn't stick with Trump.
00:17:23.000 And this is not a, it's very weird.
00:17:25.000 I think that we fell, as I said at the beginning, we've fallen into this binary thinking with regard to politicians.
00:17:31.000 If the left hates someone, they must be our friend.
00:17:33.000 The left hates Trump.
00:17:34.000 Therefore, everything Trump does is good.
00:17:36.000 And that's really silly.
00:17:37.000 And at the same time, there are a lot of people who oppose Trump and they feel like if you oppose Trump, then that must make you good.
00:17:42.000 That must be a good thing.
00:17:44.000 As I've said before, I don't think it's important whether you oppose Trump or support Trump.
00:17:48.000 I don't think Trump is important.
00:17:49.000 I think that his policies are important.
00:17:51.000 I think the things he says are important because he's president of the United States and so it's a big mistake to identify your friends and enemies by simply defining a friend who you will always follow no matter what or defining an enemy you will always go against no matter what and you'll always assume they're wrong no matter what.
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