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Ep. 264 - Did Democrats Get Another Scalp?


Summary

Javier Thompson, a left-wing reporter at The Intercept, was arrested Friday for making multiple threats to Jewish Community Centers across the U.S. in order to harass his ex-girlfriend. The FBI suspects he may have been a copycat who heard about the JCC phone calls and then set out to carry out his own campaign of anti-Semitic terrorism. But let s be real, this guy sounds like a complete nut job, not just a left wing journalist gone awry. And it's no coincidence that the guy behind the threats isn't a Trump supporter, but a fake news guy who hates Trump, who for weeks the left claimed this had to be an outgrowth of Trumpian anti-Semitism. And you just know that Trump s Twitter feed this morning will be totally epic. Today's After Show Was Hosted By: Ben Shapiro, Senior Editor at The Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro Ben Shapiro's Mother-in-law's Massage Therapy Service, Zakiya Zeel, is a Massage Therapist, Author, and Blogger, and Author of the book, . She's also the host of the podcast, , and is a regular contributor to the New York Times Magazine, New York Magazine, The Daily Beast, and the New Republic. Ben's new book is out now! and is available for pre-order on Amazon Prime Video, Blu-ray on Amazon, and also rental on Vimeo, iTunes, and Podchaser, so you can get a copy of his new novel, and subscribe to his podcast on Audible, too. . if you're looking for a good massage? you can have a free massages and massage? and you don't want to wait for a $25 to go to a spa appointment? You don't have to wait two weeks to get 20% off your first appointment, it'll be 20% less than going to a local spa or a 5-star spa appointment, they'll give you a 20% discount, they're going to give you $25, $50, you'll get it all that and they'll get a 15% discount plus a free copy of the entire book, plus a $5 discount, too, you get an extra $5,000 in the book is included in the ad-free version of the show, plus they'll also get an ad discount when you sign up to get the book?


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00:00:00.000 For the past two weeks, the Trump administration has been slammed for its supposedly tepid response to anti-Semitic attacks on cemeteries and threats to Jewish community centers.
00:00:08.000 Trump himself was smashed over and over for suggesting that the threats might be coming from left-wing provocateurs attempting to cast a shadow on his administration.
00:00:16.000 He was widely mocked for such an assertion,
00:00:18.000 Pretty much everyone on the left assumed that the JCC threats had to be coming from Trump supporters, including The Intercept, a left-wing publication that headlined just two days ago, Trump can't accept his allies are targeting Jews, so he blames his opponents.
00:00:30.000 It now turns out that the culprit, at one point, worked for The Intercept.
00:00:35.000 On Friday, a Missouri man named Juan Thompson was arrested for making multiple threats to JCCs across the country in order to harass his ex-girlfriend.
00:00:42.000 Thompson is suspected of being a copycat, of hearing about the JCC phone calls, and then conducting his own campaign of phone terrorism.
00:00:49.000 According to the FBI, Thompson dated a Jewish woman.
00:00:51.000 After their relationship ended, he sent defamatory emails and faxes to her employer.
00:00:56.000 He then stalked her.
00:00:57.000 After that, he made, quote, at least eight JCC threats nationwide as part of his campaign against his ex-girlfriend.
00:01:03.000 He then tried to blame the woman in order to have her prosecuted.
00:01:05.000 He tweeted, quote, So, here's what we know about Thompson.
00:01:07.000 He's a left-wing reporter who made up material while working at The Intercept.
00:01:19.000 He was fired in February 2016 for fabricating quotes in his stories and creating, quote, fake email accounts that he used to impersonate people, one of which was a Gmail account in the name of the editor-in-chief of the publication.
00:01:30.000 He says he voted for Bernie Sanders.
00:01:32.000 Thompson, who is black, tweeted just two weeks ago that Trump was attempting to, quote, remove black people from the South Side of Chicago.
00:01:38.000 Naturally, folks on the right are triumphantly pointing out the irony.
00:01:41.000 The guy behind the JCC threats isn't a Trump backer, but a left-wing fake news guy who hates Trump, who for weeks the left stated this had to be an outgrowth of Trumpian anti-Semitism.
00:01:53.000 But let's be fair for a second.
00:01:54.000 The guy sounds like a complete nutjob, not just a left-winger gone awry.
00:01:57.000 According to the FBI, this was all designed to act out some sort of personal vendetta against an old girlfriend who was Jewish.
00:02:02.000 The Jews were only involved insofar as they could be used as a tool against her.
00:02:05.000 It doesn't make the guy's conduct any less egregious or anti-Semitic, but it doesn't really seem to connect to an ideology so much as a desire to hurt somebody he knew by using anti-Semitism.
00:02:14.000 Furthermore, there's still another suspect out there.
00:02:16.000 Dozens of JCCs have been called, and this terrorist was a copycat.
00:02:19.000 But.
00:02:20.000 But.
00:02:21.000 This is evidence that while the left-wing media constantly accuses the right of jumping to conclusions about terrorism and ignoring right-wing terror involvement, the left has a major blind spot for its own extremists.
00:02:30.000 And you just know that Trump's Twitter feed this morning will be totally epic.
00:02:34.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:02:35.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:02:40.000 Okay, so we'll talk a little bit more about that story.
00:02:42.000 I also want to talk about these Yemen raids and what we know about them, and why exactly it's ridiculous the way that the Democrats are treating this whole thing.
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00:04:36.000 I want to start off today talking a little bit about the fact that the Democrats have gone crazy over this Yemen raid.
00:04:41.000 So a lot of that are upset over what happened the other night with Donald Trump and his speech to a joint session of Congress was that moment with Kerry Owens, who's the wife of the
00:04:52.000 Karen Owens, the wife of Ryan Owens, who's the Navy SEAL, who was killed in this Yemen raid.
00:04:57.000 And the left has been saying that it's just terrible.
00:04:58.000 Donald Trump used her, he brought her out there and he used her.
00:05:01.000 And I got a bunch of questions about this, people who were saying that it's just ridiculous he did use her, or is it bad that he used her?
00:05:08.000 Here's my view of politicians, just to be clear about this, my view of politicians using victims to promote their political agenda.
00:05:16.000 It's bad.
00:05:16.000 I don't like it.
00:05:17.000 I don't know that's what Trump was doing with Karen Owens.
00:05:20.000 If he was doing it in order to get the Yemen issue off the table, yeah, that's kind of yucky.
00:05:24.000 At the same time, what it really was was him honoring a vet.
00:05:27.000 And if the issue was we need to draw closer to our vets, then I'm all for it.
00:05:31.000 So, it's not quite the same thing as bringing out the victim of gun violence issue, like Piers Morgan did, in order to claim that everyone who disagrees with you on gun violence is some sort of evil person who wants people to get shot.
00:05:43.000 It's more, here's the widow of a hero, let's pay her tribute.
00:05:45.000 That's not the same thing in my mind, whatsoever.
00:05:48.000 But I want to talk about the Democrats' reaction to the Yemen raid, because it really is telling.
00:05:51.000 So here's what you need to know about the Yemen raid.
00:05:52.000 Let's go through what actually happened.
00:05:54.000 We haven't talked at length about this, so I'm going to lay out the timeline.
00:05:56.000 This is according to the Washington Post.
00:05:58.000 So on November 7th of last year, CENTCOM, U.S.
00:06:00.000 Central Command, told the Pentagon about a plan to raid al-Qaeda in Yemen.
00:06:04.000 The Defense Department approved the plan December 19th, while Obama was still president, and the Obama administration apparently took a look at it.
00:06:10.000 Then, once Trump was president, he was briefed, and Defense Secretary Mattis recommended support for the raid.
00:06:15.000 Trump was briefed a bunch of times.
00:06:16.000 He finally authorized the raid January 26th through 27th.
00:06:19.000 On January 28th, the raid happened.
00:06:21.000 Apparently it went wrong.
00:06:22.000 Al Qaeda apparently knew the Americans were coming and attacked from a building upon which American forces had to call in an airstrike.
00:06:28.000 So they were using the building as a front, basically hiding behind women and children, because that's what terrorists do.
00:06:33.000 And we called in an airstrike, took out the building, and it killed a bunch of civilians.
00:06:37.000 We're good.
00:06:52.000 Terrorists were killed, as were Owens and numerous civilians.
00:06:55.000 The dead included the eight-year-old daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki, who is the cleric that we droned under President Obama a few years ago.
00:07:01.000 Several female terrorists ran to planned fighting positions to open fire on the SEALs, according to U.S.
00:07:05.000 military officials.
00:07:06.000 Trump was in the White House during the raid, and he was tweeting during the raid.
00:07:09.000 So, what's the great objection over this whole thing?
00:07:12.000 What is the grand objection?
00:07:13.000 So, there are two objections.
00:07:15.000 One is there's an objection saying that Trump never should have greenlit the raid, that it was a risky raid, he did it in order to show that he was macho.
00:07:21.000 I haven't really seen the evidence of that.
00:07:22.000 Mattis approved it.
00:07:23.000 It seems to me that if Mattis approves it, it's totally fair for Trump to rely on the judgment of a guy who should know much better than he should, General Mattis, who has been doing this sort of stuff his entire life.
00:07:33.000 And then there is the second problem.
00:07:35.000 And this is where the left says, this mission was a disaster and it was a giant failure.
00:07:39.000 This is the part I object to.
00:07:41.000 So I guess the idea here is that if Trump could have just roamed the site a la Obama and not risked American lives, that would have been better.
00:07:47.000 And that would have been better specifically because no intelligence was found.
00:07:49.000 So there's now a controversy over whether we found usable, verifiable intel at this place or not.
00:07:55.000 So apparently the SEALs went in, they grabbed hard drives, they grabbed laptops, they grabbed cell phones, and there's now an argument from leakers versus the administration.
00:08:02.000 The administration says there's intel that we can use, and the leakers say there is no intel that we can use.
00:08:07.000 But here's my question.
00:08:09.000 Why should that matter?
00:08:11.000 How are the SEALs supposed to know what intel is?
00:08:12.000 How's the Defense Department supposed to know what intel is on the phones or the computer?
00:08:15.000 They don't have the phone or the computer.
00:08:17.000 If they could have hacked them, they would have hacked them.
00:08:19.000 Right?
00:08:19.000 So, they collected the materials, and somebody died in the line of duty.
00:08:25.000 I don't understand why this is, why if the mission went bad, that is somehow a referendum on the president.
00:08:31.000 And I don't like this in general.
00:08:33.000 I really don't like this in general.
00:08:34.000 Because the idea seems to be that if somebody is part of a mission that fails, somehow their life was wasted, or somehow that's the fault of the president that the mission failed.
00:08:42.000 That's a pretty dangerous standard, and to be fair, I think President Trump, when he was just Donald Trump, promulgated this.
00:08:50.000 He's the sort of fellow who ripped the Bush administration and sort of implied that we had wasted thousands of lives in Iraq, which is really gross, because here's the truth.
00:08:59.000 In a war on terror, in any war, there will be missions that are successful and there will be missions that are unsuccessful.
00:09:04.000 You're not of more value because you were part of a mission that was unsuccessful than if you were part of a mission that was successful.
00:09:09.000 If you died at the first battle of Bull Run as a Union soldier, that didn't make your life any less valuable than if you died as a Union soldier at the second battle of Bull Run, which the Union won.
00:09:18.000 It's very, it's silly to try and say that if a mission goes bad, or a battle goes bad, the people who are in the bad mission are somehow less valuable, or they wasted their lives, or the botch was definitely the fault of the President of the United States, as though every mission is going to be successful.
00:09:32.000 War isn't science, and not every operation is going to go as planned.
00:09:35.000 Now, a lot of people on the left are saying, well, you know, Trump isn't getting the sort of flack over the Yemen raid that Obama got over Benghazi.
00:09:41.000 Right, and he shouldn't.
00:09:42.000 Because those are two completely different things.
00:09:44.000 Okay, and I'll tell you why.
00:09:46.000 There were a lot of military missions under Obama that went wrong.
00:09:48.000 There were missions where SEALs got killed.
00:09:51.000 And you really didn't hear the American people, or the people on the right, making too big an issue of it, because we understand, in a war, there are going to be some missions that go wrong, that are badly planned, badly coordinated, or where the crap just hits the fan.
00:10:03.000 But that's not what happened in Benghazi.
00:10:05.000 In Benghazi, it wasn't a mission.
00:10:06.000 Benghazi was an ambassador sitting there requesting help for months and months and months, didn't get it, and then things went bad.
00:10:11.000 That's not the same thing as a military mission where we don't have all the information.
00:10:14.000 They had every bit of information.
00:10:16.000 It wasn't a military attack.
00:10:17.000 It wasn't an attack intended to go after the bad guys.
00:10:20.000 It was literally a guy sitting in an office in Benghazi, and he was attacked by a bunch of terrorists.
00:10:26.000 And the Obama administration should have known that that was going to happen and done something to protect him or withdraw him ASAP.
00:10:32.000 That's their fault.
00:10:34.000 So equating Benghazi with the Yemen raid is really illogical and quite foolish, but it just demonstrates the extent to which the left is going to go in order to push this agenda.
00:10:43.000 And it's really, I think, incredible the extent to which they'll go in order to push their agenda.
00:10:48.000 The latest example of this is the attempt to go after Jeff Sessions.
00:10:51.000 So as I said yesterday, I talked about the Jeff Sessions issue.
00:10:53.000 Attorney General Sessions has now recused himself from any investigation of Trump-Russia connections or connections between the Trump campaign and the Russians.
00:11:02.000 And the Democrats are saying it's not enough for him to recuse, he should resign.
00:11:06.000 So I want to go through how this broke down, because the truth is, he should recuse, he should not resign.
00:11:12.000 And it is very silly for the Democrats to claim this.
00:11:15.000 And also, the Trump administration really has to get their comms office in order.
00:11:18.000 They do need to get their communications office in order, because it just looks messy.
00:11:22.000 And that feeling of chaos is not helpful.
00:11:24.000 So here's how all this started.
00:11:25.000 Flashback to January of this year, Al Franken, senator from Minnesota, he asks Jeff Sessions during his confirmation hearings,
00:11:31.000 Did you have talks with the Russians?
00:11:32.000 And here's what Sessions says.
00:11:34.000 These documents also allegedly say, quote, there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government.
00:11:51.000 And if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?
00:12:04.000 Senator Franken, I'm not aware of any of those activities.
00:12:09.000 I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign, and I did not have communications with the Russians.
00:12:17.000 And I'm unable to comment on it.
00:12:19.000 Okay, so people take this, there's two ways to read this exchange.
00:12:23.000 One is that Sessions is saying, as a campaign surrogate, I did not have contact with the Russians.
00:12:27.000 And the other is, I didn't have contact with the Russians and I was a campaign surrogate.
00:12:31.000 And those are both plausible readings.
00:12:33.000 It seems to me that the question was, do you know if anyone from the Trump campaign had contact with the Russians?
00:12:39.000 And he is saying, I never had contact with the Russians.
00:12:42.000 And then it turns out that he had two meetings with the ambassador, a guy named Sergey Kislyak.
00:12:47.000 Which is just the typical Russian ambassador name.
00:12:49.000 He's, by the way, Sergey Kislyak is getting more attention this week than he will up to the week that Putin murders him.
00:12:54.000 But in any case, Stuart Smalley asked Sandy Griffith about this.
00:12:59.000 And, you know, this becomes a big issue because the idea now is that somehow Sessions has something to hide, somehow he's working with the Russians to do something nefarious.
00:13:06.000 Now, I think that that is wildly exaggerated.
00:13:09.000 I don't think there's a lot of evidence that Sessions was doing anything nefarious.
00:13:13.000 There are lots of senators who have met
00:13:14.000 But that's not really the issue.
00:13:15.000 The issue is whether he lied about it.
00:13:17.000 It's whether he covered it up.
00:13:18.000 Whether there was anything to cover up is another issue.
00:13:21.000 But just like in po- It seems everything in politics now boils down to, if you're not totally transparent and forthright at the very beginning, then you get smacked.
00:13:28.000 Which is why it seems to me if you can't identify any wrongdoing, but all you can identify is that somebody, you know, misheard the question or answered wrong or even if he lied, you know, if he lied, I guess that's perjury and he should resign.
00:13:41.000 But if it just looks like what it is, which is he answered the question as I was a campaign surrogate for Trump and I didn't have any meetings with the Russians and he never thought, well, I'm a senator and I had a meeting with the Russian ambassador.
00:13:51.000 That seems to me, okay, recuse because it gives a scalp to the Democrats, I suppose, but the truth is that it looks mildly compromised.
00:14:00.000 So recuse, let your deputy do all the work.
00:14:02.000 What's the big deal?
00:14:03.000 But don't resign.
00:14:04.000 But the left has to play this over the top.
00:14:05.000 So Chuck Schumer says it's not enough for Sessions to recuse himself.
00:14:08.000 The Senate minority leader says that Sessions should resign.
00:14:12.000 For weeks,
00:14:13.000 I have said that Attorney General Sessions needs to recuse himself from any investigation into contacts between the President and his associates on the campaign and transition and Russia.
00:14:30.000 For weeks, I made clear that I believe Attorney General Sessions' close relationship with the Trump campaign requires
00:14:40.000 That he recused himself from the executive branch investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.
00:14:48.000 Okay, and so this is over the top, obviously, because Democrats feel like there's blood in the water.
00:14:53.000 Now, part of the problem here is how the Trump administration handled this.
00:14:56.000 So, what they should have said is, Sessions should have answered more specifically.
00:15:00.000 He didn't do anything wrong, but to avoid the appearance of impropriety, he's going to recuse himself.
00:15:03.000 That's the way you handle this.
00:15:04.000 Instead, what you end up with, because this is always the way it works with the Trump administration, they need to get their common office in order.
00:15:10.000 Instead, what you get is this mass confusion before Sessions recuses himself.
00:15:14.000 So Trump comes out, he says, we have total confidence in Sessions, and he shouldn't recuse himself.
00:15:18.000 Mr. President, do you still have confidence in the Attorney General?
00:15:27.000 Total.
00:15:29.000 Thank you.
00:15:30.000 Thank you, guys.
00:15:32.000 Mr. President, should Sessions refuse himself from investigations into your campaign in Russia?
00:15:37.000 I don't think so at all.
00:15:38.000 When did you first learn that Sessions spoke to the Russian ambassador?
00:15:41.000 Did you know during the campaign?
00:15:42.000 I don't think he should do that at all.
00:15:44.000 When were you aware that he spoke to the Russian ambassador?
00:15:46.000 I wasn't aware at all.
00:15:47.000 Mr. President, do you think he should have spoken truthfully about whether he had spoken to the ambassador?
00:15:52.000 He probably did.
00:15:54.000 Yeah, Trump's pretty grumpy about all this, and I think he has a right to be grumpy about all this, because it's really silly.
00:15:58.000 It's really silly, okay?
00:15:59.000 Every senator has met with Kislyak, or Russian members of the administration.
00:16:05.000 Obama, I guess, had Kislyak into the White House like 22 times.
00:16:08.000 So, again, there's no underlying problem here, but
00:16:12.000 Should Sessions have answered that he never ever spoke with anybody from Russia?
00:16:15.000 Clearly not.
00:16:16.000 Could he have misremembered?
00:16:17.000 Sure.
00:16:17.000 Is it a big deal?
00:16:19.000 No.
00:16:19.000 But again, Trump says he shouldn't recuse himself.
00:16:21.000 And then Paul Ryan says that Sessions should not recuse himself.
00:16:25.000 Well, okay, two questions.
00:16:26.000 First, I would just refer to the Senate Judiciary Committee.
00:16:30.000 I checked the transcript and all of that, so I can't speak to what the Judiciary Committee transcript is.
00:16:35.000 Frankly, I haven't read that.
00:16:37.000 Should he recuse himself?
00:16:39.000 I think he answered that question this morning, which is, if he himself is the subject of an investigation, of course he would.
00:16:46.000 But if he's not, I don't see any purpose or reason to doing this.
00:16:50.000 And so that's the answer.
00:16:52.000 And it's the consistent answer.
00:16:53.000 Ted Cruz, and he said the same thing.
00:16:54.000 There's a lot of political theater.
00:16:56.000 And he's right.
00:16:56.000 So there's good grounds here.
00:16:58.000 If you're going to say don't recuse yourself, and everybody's immediately going to say don't recuse yourself, then don't recuse yourself.
00:17:02.000 The problem is that Sessions then recused himself, which makes it look like there is something more going on.
00:17:07.000 It's just stupid politics.
00:17:08.000 They should have come out yesterday morning, and as a body, they should have said exactly what I said, right?
00:17:11.000 They should have said, he didn't do anything wrong.
00:17:14.000 But he misremembered and that gives the appearance of impropriety.
00:17:16.000 He's gonna recuse himself just so that everything looks perfectly clean.
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00:19:08.000 Okay, so Sessions, all this happens and then Sessions finally recuses himself.
00:19:11.000 So you have the entire Trump administration.
00:19:13.000 Again, the confusion is the part that I think is frustrating to people.
00:19:17.000 They all say he shouldn't recuse himself.
00:19:19.000 Not gonna recuse himself.
00:19:20.000 And then Sessions comes out and he says, yeah, I guess I'll recuse myself.
00:19:24.000 And my staff recommended recusal.
00:19:28.000 They said that since I had involvement with the campaign, I should not be involved in any campaign investigation.
00:19:37.000 I have studied the rules and considered their comments and evaluation.
00:19:42.000 I believe those recommendations are right and just.
00:19:46.000 Therefore, I have recused myself in the matters that deal with
00:19:51.000 The Trump campaign.
00:19:53.000 The exact language of that retusal is in the press release that we will give to you.
00:19:59.000 Okay, so again, the whole thing looks shadier than it is just because when you botch communications it matters.
00:20:06.000 Somebody needs to get that White House communications in order.
00:20:09.000 They really need to get this crap in order because, again, the more they do this the more amateuresque it looks and that's just a problem.
00:20:15.000 It's a problem.
00:20:15.000 It's going to dog them.
00:20:17.000 Also, I would like to see a full investigation so that we can get all of this behind us.
00:20:20.000 It's either true or it's not true.
00:20:22.000 If it's not true, then I'd like this cloud to dissipate, and if it is true, I'd like to know it, and I think we have a right to know it.
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00:20:34.000 We're going to talk about more today, including the Democratic narrative about Trump, how they're trying to destroy Trump, the Republican counter-narrative,
00:20:41.000 And then shockingly, the media actually sort of got it right a little bit yesterday, which we'll talk about too.
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