The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 28 - The Left's Agenda Is ISIS' Agenda

It's a Wednesday morning in America, and President Obama is in the middle of a press conference. He announced that he's accepting 10,000 Syrian Muslim refugees into the United States, and he's using the hashtag . What's the problem with this? Is it because he's a racist? Or is he a coward? Or because he doesn't want to admit Syrian Muslims into the U.S. as part of the Syrian refugee population? Or does he just want to keep them out of the fight against ISIS? And if you don't agree with him, do you side with ISIS? Or do you agree with them? Or are you just scared of what ISIS wants? Ben Shapiro explains why both of these narratives are wildly exaggerated, and why there's no reason to be worried about it at all, and how it's actually not even a big deal at all. He also points out that the real problem is not that people are panicking about it. It's that they're scared of widows and orphans, it's that the White House is worried about something called "widows and widows" and "orphans" coming into America as a result of their fear of something that doesn't seem to be going away. Ben Shapiro's full stack show on President Obama's Syrian Muslim refugee policy and how that's not even close to what ISIS is actually trying to get them in the fight in the first place. The president is a coward, and that's why he's really not worried about them except that they don't even care about them, and they're not even though he says they're just because they're "wanting us to help them. They're just a little bit, they just want us to take them in anyway. That doesn't sound like they're going to be scared of it? and they really don't care about it, do they care about the problem, they're worried about what we're not going to do anything at all? And they just don't have a problem with it, they care more about them? Ben explains why this is a good thing, and it's not a problem at all . the problem is that we should be worried that we're all scared of them, not about them coming into the country, not that they'll be left out of luck, they are going to get left behind, and we'll just be left with orphans? The problem is, they don t care.

00:00:00.000 Howdy howdy, it is a Wednesday and we have a full-stack show for you today.

00:00:03.000 President Obama has outdone himself over Syrian Muslim refugees and the status of his ISIS fight.

00:00:10.000 There's so much to get to, so let's just get to it.

00:00:12.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:13.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:20.000 One day, folks, we will all remember where we were the moment that Barack Obama defeated ISIS by accepting 10,000 Syrian Muslim refugees into the United States.

00:00:29.000 He announced he would do that today.

00:00:31.000 He launched what he called the refugees welcome hashtag.

00:00:34.000 And as we know, all of our hashtag campaigns here in the West have been incredibly successful.

00:00:38.000 Bring back our girls against Boko Haram, wildly successful.

00:00:42.000 We're good.

00:01:01.000 Thousands and thousands of Syrian Muslim refugees pouring into the West. 0.98

00:01:04.000 You are a racist, right? 0.99

00:01:06.000 There's something wrong with you. 1.00

00:01:07.000 You're racist. 1.00

00:01:07.000 You're exaggerating. 1.00

00:01:08.000 And in fact, you're exaggerating the threat of terror.

00:01:10.000 The threat of terror is not that big a deal.

00:01:12.000 And that's one strain.

00:01:14.000 And then the other strain that we're hearing today is the strain that if you don't do what Barack Obama says, if you don't agree with Barack Obama, then you side with ISIS, right?

00:01:22.000 If you ride with the opponents of Barack Obama, you ride with ISIS.

00:01:26.000 This is literally what they are trotting out today.

00:01:28.000 We've heard this over and over and over.

00:01:30.000 This is the new narrative, and it's being repeated everywhere.

00:01:34.000 I mean, just to give you a hint, high-ranking Democrats, including Hillary, say that if you call ISIS Muslim, that gives them exactly what they want. 0.54

00:01:41.000 There's a headline at the Huffington Post today.

00:01:43.000 It says, the West is giving ISIS exactly what it wants.

00:01:46.000 Salon.com says, quote, the right's bloodlust plays into the terrorists' hands.

00:01:50.000 Vox.com says, turning back Syrian refugees isn't just wrong, it's exactly what ISIS wants.

00:01:56.000 Sally Cohen at CNN says, y'all realize ISIS wants to provoke a war, right?

00:02:00.000 If we go to war, we're doing exactly what the terrorists want.

00:02:03.000 So everybody's on message.

00:02:04.000 They're all singing from the same hymnal.

00:02:05.000 They've got the same playbook, right?

00:02:07.000 If you don't agree with Barack Obama that we ought to basically leave ISIS alone in the Middle East and accept tons of Syrian Muslim refugees into the West, then you side with ISIS. 0.95

00:02:15.000 Because apparently what ISIS desperately wants, what they desperately want more than anything, is for us to reject the Syrian Muslim refugee population 1.00

00:02:23.000 They are currently infiltrating, and they really don't want us to avoid bombing them. 0.99

00:02:29.000 They want us to bomb the living hell out of them. 0.74

00:02:30.000 These are their two most expressed wishes.

00:02:32.000 Okay, so these two competing narratives, and really they're not competing, they're both going out at the same time.

00:02:38.000 Right-wingers are racist, right-wingers are panicking, they're overstating the threat of terrorism, and also

00:02:43.000 They're doing exactly what ISIS wants, right? 0.88

00:02:45.000 So their panic is not actually frightening ISIS.

00:02:48.000 What they're doing instead is just driving ISIS to greater and greater success.

00:02:52.000 And President Obama put out both of these narratives today and yesterday.

00:02:57.000 So we'll start off with that first narrative, that this is all just exaggerated.

00:03:02.000 This is wildly exaggerated.

00:03:03.000 There's no reason that anybody should be panicked.

00:03:05.000 Everybody has gone crazy, and there's no reason to go crazy.

00:03:08.000 Here's President Obama today ripping Republicans and saying that 1.00

00:03:11.000 Really, they're just chickens. 1.00

00:03:12.000 They're really just cowards. 0.99

00:03:15.000 These are the same folks oftentimes who suggest that they're so tough that just talking to Putin or staring down ISIL or using some additional rhetoric somehow is going to solve the problems out there. 0.94

00:03:27.000 But apparently they're scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America as part of our tradition of compassion.

00:03:40.000 At first they were worried about the press being too tough on them during debates.

00:03:44.000 Now they're worried about three-year-old orphans.

00:03:50.000 That doesn't sound very tough to me. 0.84

00:03:53.000 He's a salon.com internet troll, the President of the United States.

00:03:56.000 He's as far left as you can be possible to be.

00:03:57.000 He is a commenter in Huffington Post's section.

00:04:00.000 That's what he is, right?

00:04:02.000 This, by the way, is all rhetoric that he's used before.

00:04:04.000 He's used it in campaign speeches against Republicans.

00:04:07.000 There was a terror attack on Friday that killed 129 people in France by Muslims. 0.95

00:04:11.000 The President of the United States is busy attacking Republicans as cowards. 0.98

00:04:15.000 This is what he does.

00:04:16.000 And he says that what they're doing—his second narrative, which we'll get to in a minute—is that it plays into the hands of ISIS.

00:04:22.000 But let's stick with the, this is all exaggerated routine.

00:04:24.000 So the president of the United States right there, he says, first of all, that, you know, they fear widows and they fear orphans.

00:04:30.000 They fear widows. 1.00

00:04:31.000 President Obama has a nasty habit of stepping directly onto the reality rake.

00:04:36.000 He says things, and then two hours later, reality just hits him directly in the face.

00:04:40.000 So last week, last Thursday, President Obama came out and said ISIS was contained.

00:04:45.000 12 hours later, they were shooting up a nightclub in the middle of Paris.

00:04:48.000 President Obama this morning says, last night, this morning, Turkey time, the President of the United States says that the Republicans clearly, they fear widows and orphans.

00:04:57.000 And then today, today,

00:05:00.000 There is this report out of France that a widow, well a woman, a female suicide bomber just blew herself up.

00:05:07.000 Here's what it looked like from France.

00:05:10.000 A woman wearing an explosive suicide vest blew herself up in a standoff between police in the Paris suburb of Saint-Denis.

00:05:18.000 She came close to the apartment police were targeting in a raid, hoping to find 27-year-old Abdelhamid Aboud, the alleged mastermind in Friday's attack.

00:05:28.000 Investigators believe the Islamic militant is holed up inside of the apartment.

00:05:32.000 Okay, so Obama says that, you know, the Republicans are chicken, they fear widows. 0.99

00:05:37.000 First of all, Islamic terrorists who are female are known as black widows. 0.99

00:05:40.000 This is actually what they're called. 1.00

00:05:41.000 So Obama's too ignorant to know this. 0.99

00:05:43.000 And then literally hours, maybe minutes within him saying this, a female suicide bomber blows herself up in Paris, right? 0.99

00:05:50.000 So President Obama, he said, but don't worry, the threat is just exaggerated.

00:05:54.000 And the threat of Syrian Muslim refugees is exaggerated. 0.96

00:05:57.000 So John Kerry, yesterday, he said, you know, people shouldn't be hysterical.

00:06:01.000 But I think people shouldn't be rushing to judgment here.

00:06:04.000 We have the ability to be able to keep faith with our values.

00:06:21.000 SECRETARY KERRY.

00:06:38.000 Okay, first of all, he says we shouldn't be hysterical, we should be able to determine whether these people are threats to the United States.

00:06:50.000 If you've been watching what's going on in Israel, there are legitimately women who have kids who are pulling knives out of purses and trying to stab Israeli soldiers. 1.00

00:06:57.000 If you think this isn't coming to the West, gang, you're wrong.

00:06:59.000 Everything that has ever happened to Israel ends up coming to the West sooner or later, and it's typically sooner. 0.94

00:07:04.000 But again, the idea here is that Republicans, conservatives, they're exaggerating the whole threat, and all this really is, in the end, is just a way for Republicans to overreact.

00:07:18.000 We mustn't overreact.

00:07:19.000 No matter what, we must not overreact under any circumstances.

00:07:23.000 So today,

00:07:24.000 There's a column from Paul Krugman in the New York Times. 0.95

00:07:27.000 Paul Krugman is an absolutely worthless thinker.

00:07:30.000 But he's won a Pulitzer Prize, he did so, actually he won a Nobel Prize for Economics, but it had nothing to do with his political commentary, so naturally, the New York Times does what it always does, it takes somebody who's an expert in one field, or a supposed expert in one field, and then dumps them into the political realm.

00:07:44.000 So Frank Rich, who used to be their foreign affairs commentator, Frank Rich was their theater commentator.

00:07:49.000 And they decided, he's great at reviewing Tony-nominated musicals, clearly he'll know what to do about Russia.

00:07:54.000 They do the same thing with Paul Krugman.

00:07:55.000 Paul Krugman had a column yesterday called Fearing Fear Itself.

00:07:59.000 And it's worth going through because, again, the contention on the left is that we really shouldn't worry too much about this whole terror thing.

00:08:05.000 It's just Republicans are overreacting, and they're overreacting to the threat of Syrian Muslim refugees. 0.93

00:08:10.000 Yesterday, I asked the question on the show, and I reiterate, how many Westerners will the left allow to die because of Syrian Muslim refugees? 1.00

00:08:18.000 Because if the answer is zero, then you can't let anybody in, right? 0.99

00:08:21.000 Because the vetting is just not that good.

00:08:22.000 We've seen that refugees have bitten terrorists before.

00:08:25.000 The Tarnium brothers in Boston got in originally on a refugee visa.

00:08:30.000 That's originally how they got into the country.

00:08:32.000 We've seen terrorists in the United States get in through student visa, through business visa, through tourist visa.

00:08:37.000 We've seen them overstay those visas.

00:08:39.000 We've seen people cross in through the northern border, through Canada.

00:08:41.000 We've seen people naturalized in the United States, like the Chattanooga, Tennessee shooter,

00:08:45.000 We've seen the Fort Hood Muslim shooter, who was a workplace violence advocate, who was naturalized as an American citizen.

00:08:52.000 In other words, terrorists come across our borders on a fairly regular basis. 0.98

00:08:56.000 The idea that we're going to vet all these people down to the ground and so we should stop worrying, it's ridiculous. 0.99

00:09:01.000 It's insane.

00:09:02.000 But, according to the left, the real reason they don't care that much about this is because they don't think terrorism is that great a threat.

00:09:08.000 Now, pause for a moment and take stock of the fact that every time there's a mass shooting in the United States, every single time, there's a call to confiscate 300 million guns from legitimate American gun owners.

00:09:18.000 Sandy Hook happens.

00:09:20.000 Take every gun in the United States if we can just save one life.

00:09:23.000 And there's actually a countervailing right there.

00:09:26.000 I have a right to own a gun under the Constitution, and there's a countervailing good there.

00:09:30.000 It's good that I have the ability to defend myself and defend my nation and defend my values.

00:09:34.000 This is a good thing.

00:09:35.000 There is no right for Syrian Muslim refugees to be in the United States. 1.00

00:09:38.000 There's no right.

00:09:39.000 Okay, there is no right, there's no human right.

00:09:41.000 In order to have a right to enter the United States, at the very least, you should agree with basic American philosophy, but there's no indicator that any of these folks do. 0.70

00:09:50.000 But, you put that aside, that, you know, when a black shooter shoots, when a white shooter shoots up a black church in Charleston, South Carolina, we're supposed to have a mass debate over banning Confederate flags, but when a Muslim shoots up a Paris nightclub, we're supposed to have debates over Islamophobia. 0.60

00:10:06.000 Focus in on the fact that for the pseudo-intellectuals on the left, they're very fond of saying things like, Well, you're more likely to die in a car accident than you are in a terrorist attack. 0.97

00:10:15.000 Right?

00:10:15.000 You hear this actually on a fairly regular basis.

00:10:17.000 You're more likely to die drowning than you are to die in a terrorist attack.

00:10:22.000 That doesn't change the fact the government doesn't have an obligation to protect me from drowning.

00:10:25.000 It does have an obligation to protect me from terrorist attack, right?

00:10:28.000 That's the whole point of government, is to prevent humans hurting other humans.

00:10:32.000 But the idea here is that we should worry about the things the left wants us to worry about, and they don't want us to worry about Islamic terror. 0.82

00:10:39.000 So, Paul Krugman in the New York Times, he says, Like millions of people, I've been obsessively following the news from Paris, putting aside other things to focus on the horror.

00:10:48.000 It's the natural human reaction.

00:10:50.000 But let's be clear, it's also the reaction the terrorists want.

00:10:53.000 So this will bring us to our second argument in a second, which is, we're just doing stuff the terrorists want.

00:10:59.000 We overreact, we're doing stuff the terrorists want. 1.00

00:11:02.000 He talks about Syrian Muslim refugees, and then finally he gets to his point right at the very end of this idiotic column. 1.00

00:11:09.000 Here's what he says. 1.00

00:11:10.000 He says, let's see, here it is.

00:11:12.000 He says, finally, terrorism is just one of the many dangers in the world and shouldn't be allowed to divert our attention from other issues.

00:11:19.000 Sorry, conservatives.

00:11:20.000 When President Obama describes climate change as the greatest threat we face, he's exactly right.

00:11:25.000 Terrorism can't and won't destroy our civilization, but global warming could and might.

00:11:30.000 And he's writing this days after Paris.

00:11:32.000 Islamic civilization can't destroy us.

00:11:33.000 Global warming could. 0.71

00:11:34.000 The rise of 1% of a degree Celsius over the next century will destroy all of us.

00:11:38.000 Let's worry about that and cripple our economy. 0.98

00:11:40.000 Let's not worry about the Muslim bad guys who are trying to kill us in the here and now. 1.00

00:11:44.000 It's a distraction. 0.99

00:11:45.000 All of this is just a distraction from the real issues, like income inequality.

00:11:49.000 And this is what Bernie Sanders tried to do in the Democratic debate.

00:11:51.000 He was asked about ISIS, and he immediately swiveled to campaign finance reform. 0.95

00:11:55.000 For the left, all of this is inconvenient and a distraction from the real issues, because after all, if you rectified global income inequality, you wouldn't have to worry about these Islamic crazy people. 1.00

00:12:05.000 By the way, if you extend this logic, if you extend the logic of the left, more people die in car accidents than died in X, then we would have had to ignore Pearl Harbor.

00:12:13.000 Right?

00:12:13.000 Because, after all, more people died in car accidents that year in the United States than died in Pearl Harbor.

00:12:19.000 We'd have to ignore 9-11.

00:12:20.000 We probably would have had to ignore the Revolutionary War.

00:12:23.000 I mean, certainly the Revolutionary War we would have had to ignore, given that very few people died in the run-up to the Revolutionary War before we actually declared war on the British oppressors.

00:12:31.000 So, what's amazing about all of this is that there are no principles for the left when it comes to fighting the principles of the right, such as keeping Americans safe.

00:12:40.000 And this brings us to the second argument that the left has been using.

00:12:42.000 So the first argument is, we're exaggerating, it's not that big of a deal, it's not that big of a threat.

00:12:47.000 This ignores, by the way, the fact that even if Syrian Muslim refugees come here and don't become terrorists, if they don't adopt and assimilate into American culture,

00:12:55.000 This is not something that's good for the United States, right?

00:12:58.000 Mass immigration from various countries, illegal immigration from various countries without assimilation has dramatically increased crime rates in particular communities.

00:13:06.000 It's driven people apart.

00:13:07.000 It's polarized our politics.

00:13:09.000 It's moved us to the left.

00:13:10.000 People generally come here and they vote Democrat, so they vote for bigger government, overthrowing American values.

00:13:15.000 And then there's a second point that the left has been pushing, and that is this-this common point.

00:13:19.000 You're helping ISIS. 0.94

00:13:20.000 You're doing what ISIS wants you to do.

00:13:23.000 Right?

00:13:23.000 If you side against President Obama, you're doing what ISIS wants you to do.

00:13:27.000 Trevor Noah tried to play this card on Comedy Central, and Trevor Noah is getting more viewers from my podcast than he has gotten live on television ever.

00:13:35.000 Um, but here's Trevor Noah, who is just awful at his job, going crazy over Republican comments on refugees. 0.96

00:13:41.000 Just say something really bat-shit crazy.

00:13:45.000 If we displace people who are used to a desert climate, living in the Middle East, speaking a language that is not common to America, and essentially living in a culture and amidst a religion that is not that common here, we really are creating a disruption.

00:14:00.000 If we're serious about wanting to protect them, then let's do it in a climate with a language, with a culture, and with a religion they're more comfortable with.

00:14:08.000 You know, Mike Huckabee makes a good point.

00:14:10.000 Can you imagine if people started coming to America from all over the world, bringing their different languages, cultures, and religions, mixing and changing the culture that's already here until it becomes something totally new? 0.92

00:14:22.000 What kind of country would this be?

00:14:25.000 But you know what, Mike Huckabee, I understand you.

00:14:28.000 As someone whose family has been here for generations, as a... I guess a Native American, you can say, I can see why this idea would frighten you.

00:14:39.000 Western culture doesn't matter at all to these people.

00:14:41.000 Of course, the point that he's making is asinine, because the truth is, American culture has been changed over time in very negative ways over the last 50 or 60 years, because of an influx of people from other countries who don't have American values. 0.99

00:14:53.000 It used to be that people came over, they dropped whatever value system they held, or they had left it behind where they were from, and then they bought into the basic American notion of values.

00:15:02.000 They don't do that anymore.

00:15:03.000 So the ISIS wants this point, as I mentioned, has been pushed now all over the place.

00:15:08.000 And they're apparently

00:15:09.000 Three particular things, maybe four.

00:15:11.000 There are really four particular things that ISIS wants, that conservatives are giving them, according to the left today.

00:15:16.000 And this is the common argument that we keep hearing.

00:15:18.000 So, number one, we keep hearing from the left that every time, every time Republicans talk about radical Islam, they're giving the terrorists what they want.

00:15:27.000 They're giving the terrorists what they want.

00:15:28.000 So, we've heard this actually from Hillary Clinton in the last debate, she said this.

00:15:34.000 She said that every time you mention radical Islam, you're giving ISIS what they want in life. 1.00

00:15:38.000 Okay, this is ridiculous and stupid. 1.00

00:15:41.000 Barack Obama's been using this sort of idea for a long time. 1.00

00:15:43.000 George W. Bush liked to use this idea.

00:15:45.000 That if you legitimize them as actual Muslims, then you are giving them what they want. 0.99

00:15:50.000 ISIS is not looking for us to green light their level of Islam.

00:15:54.000 ISIS is not sitting around going, God, I wonder what President Obama, how he interprets that hadith.

00:15:59.000 I'm really interested in how he interprets the Quran.

00:16:02.000 That Quranic interpretation by President Obama, do I fit within it?

00:16:05.000 Does he recognize me as a Muslim?

00:16:08.000 There's not a Muslim anywhere in the world who cares whether President Obama identifies them as a Muslim.

00:16:13.000 Muslims, like most religious people, believe they are Muslims because they believe they are Muslims.

00:16:17.000 If somebody were to say to me, you know, Shapiro, he's not really a Jew, right?

00:16:22.000 What?

00:16:24.000 Why would that possibly register with me?

00:16:26.000 Particularly if you're not even Jewish saying that.

00:16:28.000 If you have no practice of Judaism and you say that.

00:16:30.000 You know, Jonathan is a religious Christian.

00:16:32.000 If Jonathan were to come to me and say, you know, you're not a real Jew, I'd go, wait, what are you talking about? 1.00

00:16:38.000 It's stupid. 1.00

00:16:39.000 It's a stupid argument. 1.00

00:16:40.000 That by saying that ISIS is not Islamic, somehow we're defeating them. 1.00

00:16:44.000 We're not giving them what they want.

00:16:45.000 They don't care whether we recognize them as Islamic. 1.00

00:16:48.000 What they do care about, what they do care about is whether we become Islamic like them. 0.99

00:16:51.000 That is their goal.

00:16:53.000 Okay, so the second thing that we do supposedly as conservatives to help ISIS, and this is the newfangled argument they're trotting out today, is we alienate moderate Muslims.

00:17:02.000 We alienate them.

00:17:03.000 We make them feel bad.

00:17:04.000 Because when we use the language of ISIS is radical Islam,

00:17:08.000 Then we get ourselves into all sorts of trouble with the people who could be on our side but might shift over to the other side because we alienate them.

00:17:15.000 Daniel Morans, who's a reporter for the Huffington Post, I mean this is what the reporters write at the Huffington Post, quote,

00:17:29.000 One of the goals of attacks like the one in Paris is to provoke an overreaction that will make some Muslims in the West feel that Islam is inherently irreconcilable with the culture of the countries they live in.

00:17:39.000 In other words, ISIS is going to provoke us, and then we'll say that radical Islam is bad, and then we'll take measures against radical Islam, and the innocents will get caught in the center, and then they will turn to ISIS. 1.00

00:17:50.000 This is stupid. 1.00

00:17:52.000 It really is. 1.00

00:17:52.000 If somebody is on the borderline of joining ISIS, there's not much you can do to drag them back from that. 1.00

00:17:56.000 I mean, seriously.

00:17:58.000 In the United States during World War II, we literally interned American citizens of Japanese descent.

00:18:04.000 We literally sent them to camps.

00:18:06.000 How many of them went and joined the Imperial Army?

00:18:08.000 Any?

00:18:08.000 Right?

00:18:09.000 We actually had internment camps for Germans.

00:18:12.000 How many Germans went back to the fatherland and fought for Nazi Germany who weren't already going to do that specifically because America was mean to the Germans in the aftermath of the declaration of war by Hitler?

00:18:23.000 The answer is not many.

00:18:24.000 The idea that people are existing on this kind of knife's edge, and if you just shove them a little bit, if you say things like radical Islam, that they are going to immediately then go join the radical Muslims, this is nuts.

00:18:35.000 By the way, it's also worthwhile noting that people who are quote-unquote moderate Muslims, you know, even people who are radical Muslims, who consider themselves moderate Muslims, they'll find a reason not to be part of ISIS so they don't get killed.

00:18:47.000 Right?

00:18:47.000 People routinely relabel themselves so as not to be part of the targeted group.

00:18:51.000 During World War II, we openly declared, this is a war on dictatorship and tyranny and fascism.

00:18:56.000 Right?

00:18:56.000 That's what it was.

00:18:57.000 Stalin was a dictator, a tyrant, and a fascist.

00:19:00.000 What did Stalin do? 0.81

00:19:01.000 He said, no, I'm fighting for liberty now.

00:19:04.000 He didn't turn around and say, oh, well, now that you've used the words fascist and dictator and tyrant, I guess I better resign that Hitler-Stalin pact and we better go back in on the side of the Nazis. 0.90

00:19:13.000 He didn't do that because it wasn't in his interest.

00:19:16.000 Politics is not a game of feelings.

00:19:17.000 Politics is a game of interests.

00:19:20.000 And the fact is that if you have an interest in not joining ISIS, you won't join ISIS no matter what I say.

00:19:25.000 Third thing that the left keeps saying that we're helping ISIS with.

00:19:28.000 Now they're arguing, they're arguing that if we ban Syrian Muslim refugees, that somehow this helps ISIS.

00:19:34.000 This is the argument put forward by Ezra Klein's Vox.com.

00:19:38.000 The columnist is Zach Beauchamp, and he says, quote, if refugees do make it out, ISIS wants them to be treated badly.

00:19:44.000 The more the West treats them with suspicion and fear, the more it supports ISIS's narrative of a West that is hostile to Muslims and bolsters ISIS's efforts to recruit from migrant communities in Europe.

00:19:54.000 In other words, if we're mean to Muslims in Europe or in the United States, it makes ISIS's recruitment efforts that much easier.

00:20:01.000 So, a couple answers to this.

00:20:03.000 First of all, so the hell what?

00:20:05.000 Why do I care what ISIS thinks about what the West should do about its own security?

00:20:10.000 If it's in my security interest, I don't care what ISIS thinks of that. 0.92

00:20:14.000 I don't care if ISIS thinks... Let's say that they're a Muslim guy who parked himself on my front porch, and then he proceeded to not move ever, and I went out and I beat him bloody. 1.00

00:20:23.000 Right? 0.86

00:20:23.000 Because he wouldn't move, and he was threatening my kid, and he was sitting on my front porch. 0.86

00:20:27.000 ISIS, would that benefit ISIS?

00:20:29.000 Why in the world would I care?

00:20:31.000 The guy's on my front porch threatening my kid.

00:20:33.000 You think I care that it benefits ISIS?

00:20:35.000 That they're gonna have a video of it and use it as propaganda?

00:20:37.000 Am I supposed to let him continue threatening my child?

00:20:39.000 Is this the idea now?

00:20:41.000 The West is supposed to throw itself at the feet of unvetted Syrian Muslim refugees that may include terrorists and certainly include a lot of people who don't stand for Western values. 1.00

00:20:50.000 We're supposed to throw ourselves at their feet because ISIS would otherwise use the propaganda to push itself? 0.88

00:20:57.000 What kind of nonsense is this?

00:20:59.000 It's like saying that the American invasion of Normandy benefited Hitler because it gave Hitler propaganda to use on his own people. 0.61

00:21:09.000 Right, but it also benefited us.

00:21:11.000 It also gave us the ability to defeat him.

00:21:13.000 I'm much more interested in defeating the bad guys than their feelings about whether or not they're going to be defeated or whether it's a propaganda victory for them. 0.95

00:21:21.000 Absolutely ridiculous. 0.95

00:21:23.000 Also, are we now suggesting that the brilliant geniuses over at ISIS are manipulating events specifically so that there aren't more Muslims in Europe, so that they can't take advantage of Muslim terror cells in Europe? 0.97

00:21:37.000 So in other words, if there were less Muslims in Europe, would this make ISIS happier or less happy? 0.57

00:21:41.000 Is there any doubt it would make ISIS much less happy if there were no Muslims in Europe? 0.93

00:21:46.000 ISIS would be very sad if there were no Muslims in Europe. 0.75

00:21:48.000 They wouldn't have terror hotbeds from which to recruit. 0.94

00:21:50.000 They wouldn't have places from which to spring. 0.98

00:21:53.000 If there were no Muslims in Paris, it would be a lot easier to identify Muslims like the ones that you saw there infiltrating Paris and then killing people. 1.00

00:22:00.000 So the idea that it helps ISIS to bar more refugees is just, it's nonsense. 0.94

00:22:04.000 And this is not a case that there shouldn't be any Muslim immigrants at all to the West, but this is a case that the idea that ISIS stands in favor of us banning Muslim immigrants is nonsensical.

00:22:13.000 Finally, there's the Sally Cohn point, that we help ISIS if we declare war, right?

00:22:18.000 If we go to war against ISIS, that's just what ISIS wants.

00:22:21.000 They want this clash of civilization.

00:22:23.000 Well, lady, they got it.

00:22:27.000 I mean, if they, this is so,

00:22:30.000 What ISIS wants, what ISIS really wants, she's right, they do want a war.

00:22:33.000 What they want is a war with President Obama.

00:22:35.000 They want a war with President Obama because President Obama loses wars.

00:22:39.000 Really, I mean, it's as simple as that.

00:22:41.000 If this were somebody in office, Winston Churchill in office, and Winston Churchill said, the gloves are off, we are now going to bomb you forward into the Stone Age.

00:22:49.000 If that were the case, they wouldn't want the war, but they're perfectly happy to have a war because they know Obama won't take the gloves off.

00:22:55.000 They want a war because they know that every time Obama opens his fat yap, every single time, they end up winning.

00:23:01.000 Now, President Obama made an unbelievable comment yesterday.

00:23:05.000 He actually said he couldn't think of a, quote, more potent recruitment tool for ISIS than the GOP.

00:23:11.000 He couldn't think of anything more potent for recruiting ISIS members than Republican rhetoric.

00:23:16.000 Right?

00:23:17.000 So he's part of this whole, you're helping ISIS routine. 0.98

00:23:21.000 I can think of a couple things that are more potent recruitment tools for ISIS than saying the words radical Islam and barring Syrian Muslim refugees out of concern that you can't vet them. 0.84

00:23:31.000 Let's see.

00:23:32.000 Let's think back.

00:23:33.000 It might be a potent recruitment tool for ISIS if, for example, you said, we will never allow Bashar Assad to use gas on his own citizens without there being significant repercussions.

00:23:41.000 In fact, I'll draw a red line right here.

00:23:44.000 And then Bashar Assad did that, and then you didn't do anything, and then ISIS came in and said, the West isn't protecting you, join us. 0.69

00:23:49.000 That might be a good potent recruitment tool for ISIS. 0.98

00:23:53.000 Another idea for a potent recruitment tool for ISIS. 0.62

00:23:56.000 Let's say that you had a startup terrorist group, and there were a bunch of American troops just across the border, the most well-trained, well-armed military force on planet Earth.

00:24:03.000 And they were just across the border.

00:24:04.000 There were like 10,000 of them.

00:24:05.000 And they were just sitting there, waiting for you to cross the border.

00:24:09.000 That probably would be a problem, right?

00:24:11.000 It'd probably be a good recruitment tool if, say,

00:24:14.000 All those people left.

00:24:15.000 Let's just say they all left for no real reason.

00:24:16.000 They just kind of took off.

00:24:18.000 And they left that entire space open.

00:24:20.000 Wouldn't that be a pretty good recruitment tool?

00:24:21.000 Because now you've beat the Americans and now they've run. 0.98

00:24:23.000 Wouldn't that be a good recruitment tool?

00:24:25.000 Maybe it would be a recruitment tool, a great recruitment tool for ISIS, a Sunni terrorist group. 1.00

00:24:30.000 For the President of the United States, for example, to tell the Iranians that they can take over half of Iraq and that they can develop a nuclear weapon and use all resources we give to them through loosening their economy to pursue their Shia goals. 1.00

00:24:42.000 Maybe that's a good way of recruiting to a Sunni terrorist group. 1.00

00:24:45.000 That might be a potent tool for recruiting people to ISIS.

00:24:48.000 So I can think of a few more potent recruitment tools for ISIS than me saying radical Islam and then saying that radical Muslims shouldn't get into the West. 0.99

00:24:55.000 I can think of a few more potent recruitment tools.

00:24:58.000 It just turns out.

00:24:59.000 But none of these arguments make any sense, and this is where we come to the radical disconnect between reality and what's being pushed by the left.

00:25:07.000 I said yesterday that the real question for the American voter, and it has been for probably a hundred years at this point, is who do you think is a greater threat to you?

00:25:16.000 The American right, or something foreign? 0.87

00:25:19.000 Or a foreign threat? 0.79

00:25:20.000 Now, when the Soviet Union was around, most people thought the Soviet Union was a greater threat, and so they elected people who were hardcore on foreign policy, except for Jimmy Carter, and then they quickly rectified that by electing Ronald Reagan. 0.95

00:25:31.000 Right now in America, we've gotten so fat and happy that we've forgotten about 9-11, it didn't really happen, it was just something that we watch on TV now and then, and pretend to care, and then we go back to the let's cut the military budget routine, and let's sign Iranian nuclear deals, and let's elect Barack Obama on the basis of he'll give us free crap.

00:25:48.000 And so we've bought into the idea that the left is, the right is the real threat to America.

00:25:53.000 That's what Obama is saying in that clip, right?

00:25:55.000 The right is the real threat to the United States.

00:25:57.000 Not ISIS, the right.

00:25:59.000 Because the right is even helping ISIS.

00:26:00.000 And the right says, no, ISIS is the great threat.

00:26:02.000 The American people are going to have to decide which of those two things is true.

00:26:06.000 I would recommend, I would recommend that people on the right do something different from now on.

00:26:11.000 And that is, they should not just say that ISIS is the greatest threat to the United States or Russia, which you remember Romney said that and Obama laughed it off.

00:26:19.000 Or China?

00:26:20.000 Or Al Qaeda?

00:26:21.000 The greatest threat to the United States and to the West is the left.

00:26:25.000 The left is the great threat.

00:26:26.000 Let's make this a symmetric political war.

00:26:29.000 The left thinks the right is the great threat.

00:26:31.000 I think the left is the great threat.

00:26:32.000 Because without the left, Islamists can't succeed. 0.99

00:26:35.000 Without the left, Vladimir Putin can't run roughshod.

00:26:37.000 We're the most powerful country in the history of planet Earth by an exponential factor.

00:26:42.000 And the idea that we can't take out our enemies is nonsense.

00:26:44.000 The question is, do we have the willingness to do so?

00:26:46.000 And clearly the answer is, no, we actually don't.

00:26:49.000 Not under the American left, which seeks to hamper us and then blame us for ISIS every time.

00:26:54.000 Worth noting, President Obama says the right is responsible for ISIS. 0.66

00:26:57.000 According to his own CIA director today, ISIS did not exist under George W. Bush.

00:27:03.000 It has grown 4,400% under President Obama.

00:27:07.000 In the last year, deaths from terrorism have increased around the world 80%.

00:27:11.000 Barack Obama says the world's worst thing is climate change.

00:27:15.000 Bernie Sanders says terrorism is caused by climate change, not radical Islam.

00:27:18.000 This is a battle for sanity, folks.

00:27:20.000 All you have to do is look at the world around you and realize that reality is going to set in sooner or later.

00:27:26.000 The question is how many dead bodies will it take for the left

00:27:29.000 And unfortunately, the answer may be an infinite number.

00:27:32.000 Because for the left, they'll never let go of their utopias.

00:27:35.000 They didn't let go of their utopias when it was the Soviet Union. 0.71

00:27:38.000 They don't let go of their utopias when it is the American and European left, insisting that a multicultural society without absorption, without assimilation, and without a set of common values will continue to be powerful and not threatened by outside forces.

00:27:51.000 All this is very scary.

00:27:53.000 And we finished today with Donald Trump, who really gets it right.

00:27:57.000 And, you know, I never use Donald Trump as my moral authority.

00:28:00.000 But the fact is, even Democrats are now beginning to agree with Donald Trump.

00:28:03.000 Here's Donald Trump talking about President Obama's sanity level at this point in time.

00:28:08.000 Refugees are pouring into our great country from Syria. 1.00

00:28:12.000 We don't even know who they are.

00:28:13.000 They could be ISIS. 0.62

00:28:14.000 They could be anybody.

00:28:16.000 What's our president doing? 0.94

00:28:17.000 Is he insane? 0.94

00:28:20.000 Okay, so that exactly is right.

00:28:21.000 You know what's amazing?

00:28:22.000 There's Donald Trump.

00:28:23.000 Now listen to Chris Matthews.

00:28:24.000 He goes after a Democratic governor, a Democratic governor on the same exact issue.

00:28:29.000 At some point, reality sets in, folks.

00:28:31.000 This Democratic governor is, who is this Delaware governor, Jack Markle, who is saying that he wants to accept Syrian refugees.

00:28:38.000 And here is Chris Matthews beating him about the ears.

00:28:42.000 Suppose one of the people that come into your state under your support,

00:28:47.000 Uh, does go terrorist, does become a recruit, becomes a cell member.

00:28:51.000 Would you feel responsible for their actions?

00:28:55.000 Well, I mean, I think we would all feel... No, you personally, would you personally be responsible as Chief Executive, having advocated the admission of these Syrian refugees into Delaware, would you personally accept responsibility for their behavior? 0.98

00:29:09.000 Well, yes, and let's remember, this is a federal program.

00:29:14.000 And so all these governors can pretend, can say... But you're advocating it.

00:29:18.000 You're saying bring them on.

00:29:19.000 You're saying yes.

00:29:20.000 You're coming on TV to say it's a good thing.

00:29:24.000 Because, look, these are people who are fleeing persecution.

00:29:27.000 And, you know, I know that everybody likes to believe these are all able-bodied, able-minded men who are young and ready for... Who said that?

00:29:34.000 I didn't say all of them.

00:29:34.000 I said the ones that aren't should be fighting.

00:29:37.000 Yeah, and I'm not saying that you did, and I understand your point.

00:29:49.000 And we keep saying here that all the people who are coming across that radical Islam is just a small minority, we really shouldn't worry about it.

00:29:57.000 Over in Turkey, President Obama was just in Turkey and he talked about how the wonderful Turkish people are accepting Syrian Muslim refugees.

00:30:03.000 And the Syrian people are accepting all of these refugees and it's just wonderful and it's just great.

00:30:07.000 Can we grab the video of these Turkish Muslims?

00:30:11.000 Mathis, the Turkish Muslims, what happened at the soccer match?

00:30:15.000 Yes.

00:30:15.000 Okay, so here are Turkish Muslims

00:30:18.000 Reacting to a moment of silence at a soccer match in Turkey.

00:30:23.000 These are the moderates.

00:30:38.000 It's supposed to be a moment of silence, gang.

00:30:46.000 I didn't cut it off.

00:30:47.000 This goes on like this for the full moment of silence.

00:30:51.000 The moment of silence is these people booing and whistling at a memorial.

00:30:55.000 A moment of silence before a soccer match for 129 dead innocents at the hands of Muslims. 1.00

00:31:00.000 These are so-called moderates.

00:31:02.000 These are the people who are supposed to not alienate.

00:31:05.000 These are the people who are supposed to, people like this, people we're supposed to take as refugees. 1.00

00:31:10.000 You know, this idea that this is not a clash of civilizations is just not true.

00:31:14.000 And eventually that truth is going to hit home.

00:31:15.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:31:16.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - November 18, 2015

Ep. 28 - The Left's Agenda Is ISIS' Agenda

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