The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 285 - Is Trump Growing Into The Office?

Christian Golian argues that beautiful women are shallow and vapid, and that the same is true for men, and also implies that non-supermodels who are merely beautiful are a better pick. The problem with actresses isn t that they're beautiful, it's that they are actresses. And maybe the good-looking guys in high school were treated like gods, and just turned into douchebags. The answer to shallowness isn't more beauty, actually. It's that women who spend their entire lives getting ready to get naked on a beach somewhere may not be people who are concerned with reading up on the latest economic developments in the Wall Street Journal. But according to Christian Golian, nobody should date beautiful people at all if they want a stable relationship. In other words, the supposed brains-beauty disconnect may not actually be a brains-Beauty disconnect at all, but rather a bikini model-dyslexia disconnect. And that's why beautiful people stay beautiful even after they get old and wrinkly, even if they get married and have a baby. because they can't be prettier than anyone you've ever dated so you can't have a good relationship with someone who isn't prettier. And if you're a douchebag like that, you'll still be beautiful to be in love even when your youth fades, even when you're old and you're wrinkly. . And when you get old, you won't be as beautiful as you used to be, right? or you can still be pretty, even after you get a little wrinkly even if you get older and get older . . And so why you should date someone who's not as pretty as you get more wrinkly . . . well-looking, but not as beautiful? Why you can t be pretty any more than you can be pretty and still be a little bit more beautiful than you at least she's going to be pretty? . And she's not going to get any prettier after you re old and get a good night out of your 20s. ? by Christian Golian Why I Won t Date Beautiful People Anymore? by Dan Rochkin by the New York Post writer Christian Gorgian by J.Golian Why I Willn t Date Hot Women Anymore by JANE Rochkind Why I Can't Date Hot People by Carly Spindle

00:00:00.000 On Tuesday, some dude named Christian Golian wrote a column for the New York Post that became the internet outrage du jour.

00:00:05.000 The column, titled, Why I Won't Date Hot Women Anymore, made the case that outrageously beautiful women are shallow and vapid, and that the same is true for men, and also implied that non-supermodels who are merely beautiful are a better pick. 0.53

00:00:16.000 The column begins with the story of Dan Rochkind, a private equity douchebag.

00:00:19.000 He says, quote, When it came to dating in New York as a 30-something executive in private equity, Dan Rochkind had no problem snagging the city's most beautiful women.

00:00:27.000 I could have had anyone I wanted, says Rochkin, now 40 and an Upper West Sider with a muscular build and a full head of hair.

00:00:33.000 By the way, dude's kind of weird looking.

00:00:34.000 He says, I met some really nice people, but realistically, I went for the hottest girl you could find.

00:00:38.000 He spent the better part of his 30s going on up to three dates a week courting 20-something blonde models, but eventually realized that dating the prettiest young things had its drawbacks.

00:00:46.000 He found them flighty, selfish, and vapid.

00:00:48.000 Beautiful women who get a fair amount of attention get full of themselves, he says. 0.90

00:00:51.000 Eventually, I was dreading getting dinner with them because they couldn't carry a conversation.

00:00:55.000 So, how did Rochkins, who clearly prioritized physical beauty over intelligence, kindness, and decency, solve this little problem?

00:01:01.000 He stopped dating supermodels.

00:01:03.000 Quote, looking to avoid such a fate, Rochkins started dating a woman who isn't a bikini model, Carly Spindle, in January 2015.

00:01:08.000 The two are now happily engaged.

00:01:10.000 The two met after Spindle's mother, matchmaker Janice Spindle, scouted Rochkins at a gym.

00:01:14.000 I gave him my card and I said I have the perfect girl for him, recalls Janice, founder of Serious Matchmaking based in Midtown.

00:01:20.000 Successful men who are in shape have the pickings when it comes to dating, but eventually they want a woman of substance. 0.96

00:01:25.000 There are a few problems here.

00:01:27.000 First off, Spindle is extremely good looking.

00:01:29.000 Perhaps the problem here isn't level of beauty, but the fact that women who generally go into bikini modeling may not, on average, have the same intellectual aspirations as women who become doctors.

00:01:37.000 In other words, the supposed brains-beauty disconnect may not actually be a brains-beauty disconnect at all, but rather a bikini model brains disconnect.

00:01:44.000 People who spend their entire lives getting ready to get mostly naked on a beach somewhere may not be people who are concerned with reading up on the latest economic developments in the Wall Street Journal.

00:01:53.000 But according to Golian, nobody should date beautiful people at all if they want a stable relationship.

00:02:11.000 The researchers looked at the top 20 actresses on IMDb and found that they tend to have rocky marriages. 0.91

00:02:16.000 In another, women were asked to judge the attractiveness of 238 men based on their high school yearbook photos from 30 years ago.

00:02:22.000 The men who were judged to be the best-looking had higher rates of divorce. 0.92

00:02:25.000 This is ridiculous. 0.67

00:02:26.000 Both of these studies are flawed. 0.99

00:02:27.000 Maybe the problem with actresses isn't that they're beautiful, it's that they are actresses. 1.00

00:02:31.000 And maybe the good-looking guys in high school were treated like gods and just turned into Rotchkind. 1.00

00:02:35.000 The answer to shallowness isn't more shallowness, actually.

00:02:37.000 The reaction to bad dating experiences with beautiful people isn't dating non-beautiful people, necessarily.

00:02:42.000 It's to hold physical beauty as one portion of the dating calculus, but not the whole equation.

00:02:46.000 My wife is gorgeous, but she's particularly gorgeous to me because she's a beautiful person, not just because she has a beautiful body. 1.00

00:02:52.000 She has terrific values, a great sense of humor, ambition, and drive. 0.96

00:02:55.000 She is brilliant and fun, a terrific mother, and a profoundly good human being.

00:02:58.000 I was looking, specifically, for all of those things when I was dating.

00:03:02.000 We've been married for nearly a decade, and when we're both old and wrinkly, I'll still be in love with her.

00:03:05.000 She'll still be beautiful to me, even when our youth fades.

00:03:08.000 Now, to be fair, Rochkin seems to have discovered that.

00:03:10.000 He now recognizes that, yes, beauty has a large physical component, but there's beauty in personality, brains, and values.

00:03:15.000 That's why people stay married, even after they get old and wrinkly, rather than upgrading for the newer model.

00:03:19.000 Here's Rochkin, quote, She is a softer beauty, someone you can take home and cuddle with, and she's very elegant, Rochkin says.

00:03:25.000 And she's 5'2", so she can't be a runway model, but I think she's really beautiful and is prettier than anyone I've dated. 0.98

00:03:30.000 Sadly, Rochkind's douchiness isn't going away anytime soon.

00:03:33.000 He says, there's something to be said about sowing your wild oats and getting them out of your system, says Rochkind, who will marry Carly in June at a Tuscan romantic ceremony at the Wulffer Estate Vineyard in the Hamptons, but he doesn't regret his past.

00:03:43.000 You don't want to be the first to leave the party, but you don't want to leave the party too late either, he says.

00:03:47.000 Carly came at exactly the right time.

00:03:49.000 In other words, use beautiful but shallow women, then dump them by the side of the road later when you're getting older and ready to settle down. 1.00

00:03:54.000 In both the looks and character department, Rochkind is obviously no catch.

00:03:58.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:03:58.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:04:04.000 Alrighty, so, I don't know why people are talking to me from behind the camera, right, as the sounder happens, but there are some women in the office who are obviously interested in this topic, so we'll have to have that discussion after the show.

00:04:17.000 Not right now, guys, come on.

00:04:18.000 Okay, so, before we get into the news of the day, and there is lots of news, Trump is flipping on a bunch of issues, and we'll talk about whether that is good or bad, and what exactly

00:04:26.000 That reflects about Trump.

00:04:27.000 Is this the new presidency or is this just more ideological incoherence?

00:04:31.000 We'll talk about all of that. 0.93

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00:04:49.000 The media were complicit in that, but they're really pissed because Sean Spicer said something really dumb about the Holocaust. 0.90

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00:06:13.000 Okay, so.

00:06:15.000 A lot going on in the last two days.

00:06:16.000 Apparently, I leave for two days, and Donald Trump turns into George W. Bush, which is weird.

00:06:21.000 So, he's flipped on an inordinate number of issues in the last two days.

00:06:24.000 Yesterday, he flipped on about six of them.

00:06:26.000 And we're gonna go through some of the issues upon which he flips.

00:06:29.000 Now, some of these flips are good.

00:06:30.000 And so the question that we have to ask is, is this Trump maturing in office?

00:06:34.000 Is this reality slapping Trump in the face and saying, you know, a lot of your campaign rhetoric was really nonsensical, and now you're going to have to buckle down because the reality is that the Russians are a nefarious force in the world, and the reality is that North Korea is a dangerous place, and that not every problem is a simple problem that a businessman can solve just by wishing it so.

00:06:52.000 Is it that?

00:06:53.000 Is Trump actually becoming more mature?

00:06:54.000 Or is he just responding to opinion polls?

00:06:56.000 Is he just responding to events?

00:06:57.000 Is he just trusting Ivanka and Jared?

00:06:59.000 And are we going to get kind of an incoherent presidency that bounces from issue to issue?

00:07:03.000 And we don't know the answer to that yet, but let's look at some of the flips.

00:07:05.000 Because some of them are actually quite good.

00:07:08.000 And I'm pleased with them as a conservative.

00:07:10.000 So, for example, yesterday, here is what Trump said about NATO.

00:07:14.000 I said it was obsolete.

00:07:16.000 It's no longer obsolete.

00:07:19.000 It's my hope that NATO will take on an increased role in supporting our Iraqi partners in their battle against ISIS.

00:07:29.000 Okay, and just to remind you, throughout the entire campaign, throughout the entire campaign, he said NATO was obsolete, that NATO basically was done.

00:07:36.000 Here's what he had to say during the campaign.

00:07:38.000 NATO is obsolete.

00:07:40.000 It was 67 years, or it's over 60 years old.

00:07:44.000 Okay, so NATO was obsolete.

00:07:46.000 Okay, NATO was not obsolete.

00:07:47.000 It's not true.

00:07:47.000 Now, people in the Trump administration are trying to play this like Trump changed NATO and therefore it's not obsolete.

00:07:52.000 Absolute nonsense.

00:07:53.000 The only NATO action of the last 20 years was an invocation after 9-11 on behalf of the United States for NATO forces to go into Afghanistan.

00:08:02.000 So, the idea that it was obsolete and it was not directed at terror is obviously not true.

00:08:06.000 Good for Trump for at least acknowledging that.

00:08:08.000 That's a good shift in position. 1.00

00:08:10.000 It does demonstrate that those of us who were criticizing Trump during the campaign for saying this sort of stupidity 0.99

00:08:14.000 And saying that it encouraged Vladimir Putin's aggressiveness, that Trump is now beginning to recognize the truth of that, or at least he's going to flip on that. 0.99

00:08:22.000 So that's a good flip.

00:08:22.000 Okay, here's another good flip.

00:08:24.000 Yesterday, Trump said that China is not a currency manipulator.

00:08:28.000 Okay, now China is not a currency manipulator.

00:08:30.000 They stopped several years ago manipulating their currency.

00:08:32.000 And as I've said many times, even if China inflates their currency, that doesn't actually do anything overall to the American economy.

00:08:38.000 This is why the Weimar Republic didn't just inflate itself into prosperity. 0.65

00:08:42.000 This is why Venezuela didn't inflate itself into prosperity.

00:08:44.000 This is why Zimbabwe hasn't been able to inflate itself into prosperity.

00:08:47.000 There's this weird idea in international trade that if we inflate our currency that somehow we're going to be benefiting ourselves because suddenly our products become cheaper on the international market, right?

00:08:57.000 If we inflate our currency, then the British pound is worth more American dollars, and they can buy more American products, and therefore it helps our export industry.

00:09:05.000 The problem is that you inflate our currency, you also make our savings worthless, and you make all the products that we want to buy more expensive.

00:09:12.000 So you actually don't help your economy overall when you inflate your currency.

00:09:15.000 This is why a strong dollar is generally weaker, is generally better than a weak dollar.

00:09:19.000 So, Trump had said throughout the entire campaign that China was stealing our jobs by inflating currency.

00:09:24.000 Not true.

00:09:25.000 And now, yesterday, he came out and he said, well, not anymore.

00:09:28.000 If you recall, his website actually said during the campaign, quote, we must stand up to China's blackmail and reject corporate America's manipulation of our politician.

00:09:37.000 The U.S.

00:09:37.000 Treasury's designation of China as a currency manipulator will force China to the negotiating table and open the door to a fair and far better trading relationship and just

00:09:45.000 A month ago, a couple months ago, he said,

00:10:03.000 I think our dollar is getting too strong.

00:10:05.000 And partially that's my fault because people have confidence in me.

00:10:08.000 Basically, I'm too awesome.

00:10:09.000 Okay, the reality is the dollar is strong right now because a lot of other countries are having economic trouble and America's a good investment.

00:10:16.000 And that's not just about Trump.

00:10:17.000 The dollar's been strong on the international market for years.

00:10:20.000 It's not just Trump.

00:10:21.000 But good that Trump flips on this because it would have been real awkward

00:10:25.000 Then they start fighting again.

00:10:25.000 Then Saddam Hussein throws a little gas.

00:10:27.000 Everyone goes crazy.

00:10:28.000 Oh, he's using gas.

00:10:29.000 They go back, forth.

00:10:30.000 It's the same.

00:10:50.000 Okay, so it's not a big deal when Saddam threw a little gas, and here is Donald Trump on Bashar Assad yesterday with regard to Bashar Assad using gas on his own people.

00:10:59.000 There can't be a worse site, and it shouldn't be allowed.

00:11:04.000 That's a butcher. 0.99

00:11:06.000 That's a butcher. 0.99

00:11:07.000 So I felt we had to do something about it.

00:11:10.000 I have absolutely no doubt we did the right thing.

00:11:14.000 Okay, so again, it's good that Trump is now recognizing the truth that it is bad for dictators to use gas on their own people, and the sort of casual way in which he was saying that it doesn't matter if you gas your own people was really silly to begin with, and people bought into that, and this is what I hate about sort of the way our politics are done, is that he campaigns on the basis of a bunch of silly things that he eventually reverses because, as president, he realizes that they're silly.

00:11:40.000 Here's another one.

00:11:41.000 A month ago, on Bill O'Reilly's program, he said about Vladimir Putin that Vladimir Putin isn't that bad, that Russia's not really that big a problem, the U.S. 0.91

00:11:47.000 has a lot of killers. 0.57

00:11:48.000 You remember this.

00:11:49.000 He said this on Bill O'Reilly's program.

00:11:51.000 I do respect him.

00:11:52.000 Do you?

00:11:52.000 Why?

00:11:53.000 Well, I respect a lot of people, but that doesn't mean I'm going to get along with them. 1.00

00:11:57.000 Putin's a killer. 1.00

00:11:59.000 A lot of killers. 1.00

00:12:00.000 We get a lot of killers.

00:12:01.000 Why, you think our country's so innocent?

00:12:04.000 You think our country's so innocent?

00:12:06.000 I don't know of any government leaders that are killers in Iraq.

00:12:08.000 Well, take a look at what we've done, too.

00:12:11.000 We've made a lot of mistakes.

00:12:12.000 I've been against the war in Iraq from the beginning.

00:12:14.000 Yeah, mistakes are different, Dan.

00:12:15.000 We've made a lot of mistakes, okay, but a lot of people were killed.

00:12:18.000 Okay, and then, here is Donald Trump again, yesterday, with regard to Russia relations.

00:12:25.000 It would be wonderful, as we were discussing just a little while ago,

00:12:30.000 If NATO and our country could get along with Russia.

00:12:34.000 Right now we're not getting along with Russia at all.

00:12:37.000 We may be at an all-time low in terms of relationship with Russia.

00:12:41.000 This is built for a long period of time.

00:12:44.000 But we're going to see what happens.

00:12:46.000 Putin is the leader of Russia.

00:12:49.000 Russia is a strong country.

00:12:51.000 We're a very, very strong country.

00:12:53.000 We're going to see how that all works out.

00:12:56.000 And then Trump tweeted this morning that Russia and U.S.

00:12:58.000 relations would work themselves out because everybody would get together and realize what's in their best interest.

00:13:03.000 Again, that's a little bit of wishful thinking on the part of Trump.

00:13:06.000 Are all these things evidence that Trump is growing into the job or is it just evidence that he's responding to events?

00:13:12.000 Based on the information that's being given to him, and could he be flipped on these things?

00:13:17.000 Another example of Trump flipping.

00:13:18.000 Yesterday, you recall, all during the election cycle, he kept saying that he wanted to be unpredictable.

00:13:22.000 He didn't want to tell people in advance of military operations that were going to be taking place.

00:13:26.000 And then, of course, he told the Russians in advance that we're going to be firing cruise missiles at this base.

00:13:30.000 He should.

00:13:31.000 He should have told the Russians that. 0.99

00:13:32.000 We don't want to escalate into a hot war based on us not telling the Russians what's going on. 0.62

00:13:36.000 But here is Trump, back during the campaign, saying he wants to be unpredictable.

00:13:41.000 Bill, I'm going to do what's right.

00:13:43.000 I want to be unpredictable.

00:13:44.000 I'm not going to tell you right now what I'm going to do.

00:13:46.000 Right, and he's kept saying that about foreign policy.

00:13:48.000 And then yesterday, he was asked about what's he going to do in Syria, and then he just spills out his plan on what he's going to do in Syria.

00:13:53.000 We're not going into Syria.

00:13:55.000 Because, you know, there were some questions.

00:13:56.000 Nikki Haley is doing a great job.

00:13:58.000 Rex is doing a fantastic job, our Secretary of State.

00:14:01.000 And General McMaster, fantastic.

00:14:04.000 But if you add it all up, and if they take every little word, they'll say, oh, they're different.

00:14:09.000 Just so you understand, we're not going into Syria.

00:14:11.000 But when I see people using horrible, horrible chemical weapons, which they agreed not to use under the Obama administration, but they violated it.

00:14:24.000 Okay, and so, again, the point here is not just to say that he flips on things, because a lot of politicians flip on things.

00:14:30.000 The point here is to say that he seems to be flipping in a more practical direction on a lot of these things.

00:14:35.000 Now, there are areas where he's flipping in a non-practical direction.

00:14:37.000 So he's now said that he's in favor of the Export-Import Bank, which is just a corporatist nonsense thing.

00:14:42.000 He's flipping on some of his tax policies, which I don't think is a good thing.

00:14:45.000 But, when it comes to foreign policy, he's flipping into a much more realistic position with regard to Russia.

00:14:51.000 He realizes now that Russia's a nefarious force in the world, 1.00

00:14:53.000 He's flipping into a more realistic position on North Korea.

00:14:56.000 People were laughing at this yesterday, but I actually didn't see what was so crazy about it.

00:14:59.000 He was talking apparently with the president of China, Xi Jinping, and he apparently said that...

00:15:06.000 I don't know.

00:15:25.000 That's a good thing.

00:15:26.000 I don't think that's a bad thing.

00:15:28.000 The problem here is that he doesn't have any steady principles.

00:15:31.000 So, normally what you'd want from a president is somebody who has a steady set of principles upon which he can rely, and then the information that he's given changes how he reacts based on those principles.

00:15:40.000 The problem with Trump is he doesn't actually have a steady base of principles, and so we don't actually know what his principles are.

00:15:45.000 So when he gets new information, it doesn't just shift his approach, it shifts his entire worldview.

00:15:49.000 His worldview is shifting day by day.

00:15:51.000 Five minutes ago, it was horrible to bomb a sovereign country if they were using gas on their own people.

00:15:56.000 Now, it's imperative that we bomb a sovereign country if they use gas on their own people.

00:16:00.000 Five minutes ago, it was terrible that NATO was sucking up oxygen.

00:16:04.000 Now it's great that NATO's out there fighting the Russians.

00:16:06.000 Five minutes ago, Vladimir Putin was a wonderful guy we were going to make a deal with, and now Vladimir Putin's a nefarious force in the world.

00:16:11.000 Again,

00:16:12.000 It would have been better if we had had all those positions up front, because then a lot of people wouldn't feel cheated.

00:16:16.000 And I want to talk about whether people who were Trump's biggest supporters ought to feel cheated in just a second.

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00:17:48.000 The reason that it's important to have principles and not just flip your principles based on the events of the day is you never know.

00:17:57.000 If you don't know what the basic principles are, if you don't have a generalized worldview, you don't know which piece of information is actually going to hit home.

00:18:03.000 Is it the piece of information that putting American troops on the ground is going to be damaging to your popularity rating?

00:18:08.000 Or is it the piece of information where you're watching TV and there are a bunch of dead Syrian kids on the TV?

00:18:12.000 Which piece of information hits home?

00:18:14.000 Now, if you have a worldview, we can basically predict, as a people, how you're going to react to a given piece of information.

00:18:20.000 Because the information will either confirm your worldview or reject your worldview.

00:18:24.000 But when you don't know what exactly Trump is basing his positions on, it makes things really difficult.

00:18:29.000 And this is what's happening in the infight inside the administration between Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller on the one side, and Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump on the other.

00:18:37.000 Trump, as I've said before, is running this administration like it's a family business.

00:18:40.000 That's not a great shock.

00:18:41.000 He runs his family business like a family business.

00:18:43.000 Now he's running the White House like a family business.

00:18:45.000 Jared Kushner, who has all of the same qualifications as my three-year-old daughter to be in charge of China policy, is now in charge of China policy, Middle East policy, heroin policy.

00:18:55.000 He doesn't have expertise on any of this, but he's loyal to Trump, and so Trump likes him.

00:18:59.000 On the other hand, you've got Steve Bannon.

00:19:01.000 Steve Bannon represents a nationalist-populist movement that thinks that big government is basically okay, but we have to protect our borders and we have to be more isolationist on foreign policy.

00:19:12.000 That's sort of the nationalist-populist movement.

00:19:14.000 There's more crossover, I think, between the nationalist-populist movement and conservative policy than there is between Ivanka and Jared and conservative policy, because both of them are career Democrats.

00:19:23.000 And so what you've got right now is Steve Bannon, who is an admittedly bad guy who does not actually believe a lot of conservative things.

00:19:30.000 And then you've got Jared and Ivanka on the other side, who don't believe any conservative things, but are nicer people.

00:19:37.000 And so there are no good options for conservatives.

00:19:39.000 You're sort of hoping that Trump bumbles his way into just delegating power to all of the people he's appointed.

00:19:43.000 Like Nikki Haley is doing a good job.

00:19:45.000 Rex Tillerson is doing a surprisingly good job.

00:19:47.000 I'm shocked at how

00:19:48.000 How Rex Tillerson has been hawkish on Russia.

00:19:50.000 I did not expect to see that coming.

00:19:53.000 And so all that's good.

00:19:54.000 Trump needs to delegate all of that, not to Jared and Ivanka, but to the people that he has appointed to the positions who are actually qualified for those positions.

00:20:01.000 Otherwise, the more Trump meddles, the more you just wonder what piece of information is going to flip his mind today.

00:20:07.000 Because I don't think that what we're seeing is a full growth of Trump into the job.

00:20:11.000 I think what we're seeing is that Trump is responding and reacting because that's what Trump does.

00:20:15.000 I don't think he's changed his personality.

00:20:17.000 I just think that he's reacting to events that now impact him in a way they didn't.

00:20:20.000 It's easy to say when you're a candidate, okay, so somebody gasses a few children.

00:20:24.000 It's different when everybody in the world is saying, you're the leader of the free world, what are you going to do?

00:20:27.000 A bunch of children just got gassed.

00:20:29.000 Things change pretty radically.

00:20:31.000 But it does leave up in the air.

00:20:32.000 What if a new piece of information emerges that flips Trump back?

00:20:35.000 Right?

00:20:35.000 What happens if he decides that it's more important to make a deal with the Russians than to speak the truth about what Russia is doing?

00:20:40.000 So, for example, Russia's Sergei Lavrov, yesterday he came out and said there's no evidence that Assad used chemical weapons.

00:20:51.000 The chance that this investigation reveals the government's implication in chemical attacks, it's so hypothetical.

00:21:00.000 We do not want to speculate.

00:21:01.000 We see how speculation

00:21:13.000 So he's saying that we have no information that it was necessarily Assad.

00:21:17.000 Assad is saying the same thing.

00:21:18.000 He's saying that he thinks that it was the deep state that helped plant this, and they're the ones who are attacking the United States and Trump.

00:21:26.000 He's actually trying to avoid

00:21:28.000 Assad is trying to avoid pissing off Trump.

00:21:30.000 Here's what he actually said.

00:21:31.000 This is just breaking right now.

00:21:33.000 He said, I was very cautious in saying any opinion regarding him before he became president and after.

00:21:37.000 I always say, let's see what he's going to do.

00:21:39.000 We wouldn't comment on the statements.

00:21:40.000 So actually, this is the first proof that it's not about the president in the United States.

00:21:43.000 It's about the regime and the deep state or the deep regime in the United States is still the same.

00:21:47.000 It doesn't change.

00:21:48.000 The president is only one of the performers on their theater.

00:21:51.000 If he wants to be a leader, he cannot.

00:21:52.000 Because as some say, he wanted to be a leader.

00:21:54.000 Trump wanted to be a leader, but every president there, if he wants to be a real leader, later he's going to eat his word, swallow his pride, and make a 180 degree U-turn, otherwise he would pay the price politically.

00:22:02.000 That's Assad parroting messages that are coming out of the Russian regime.

00:22:06.000 Is that going to impact Trump?

00:22:07.000 We don't know, because we don't know Trump's worldview.

00:22:09.000 Hopefully over time, his worldview will develop.

00:22:12.000 You know, every president enters office saying they're basically going to be an isolationist.

00:22:15.000 Very few end up that way.

00:22:16.000 We will see.

00:22:18.000 We're good.

00:22:37.000 Okay, so now you're going to have to go over to Daily Wire to check out the rest of the show.

00:22:40.000 We're going to talk about the reactions from the right and why there are so many who are part of Trump's hardcore base who are very upset about Syria because they think that Trump had a worldview that he obviously doesn't.

00:22:51.000 And so we'll talk about what that means for Trump and the future of his presidency.

00:22:53.000 You have to go over to dailywire.com and check that out.

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00:22:57.000 We're also going to be talking about the Sean Spicer situation and the media going nuts over Sean Spicer and the Holocaust.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - April 13, 2017

Ep. 285 - Is Trump Growing Into The Office?

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