The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 299 - This Trump-Russia Garbage Is Getting Old

A new study says the real reason so many white, blue-collar voters went for Trump wasn't their economic status. Instead, the data show that these voters were simply alienated by the intersectionality-laden definition of American politics, labeling straight white men the bad guys in their bizarre morality play. Ben Shapiro: Trumpism is less about Trump than about rejection of Obamaism and Clintonism. He explains why the call for moderate Republicans to embrace democratic economics is a fool s errand, and why dumping the Reagan combination of social conservatism and free markets won t actually guarantee a winning combination in the Rust Belt. Plus, the latest on Trumpcare, Jimmy Kimmel, and all the rest of it. Subscribe to The Ben Shapiro Show on Apple Podcasts and leave us a five star rating and review. You can also join our FB group and join the conversation by using the hashtag on the social medias, and find us on Insta if you're looking for a free 5-day food delivery service. Thanks for listening and share the podcast with your fellow podcast listeners! Timestamps: 4:00 - What's your favorite part of the podcast? 5:30 - How did you feel about the episode? 6:40 - What was your biggest takeaway from it? 7:15 - What would you want to do in the next episode of the show? 8:20 - What kind of food you're worried about? 9:00 10:00 -- What are you worried about in the future? 11:30 -- Is there an emergency food supply? 12:30 13:15 15:00 + 7 + 6 + 5 + 7 1413 + 7c + 7p 6c + 6c & 7c & 5c + 8c + 5c & 6c c = 6c 9c + 4c + 2c + c c c = 5 c + 5 c c + 6 c c & 5 c & 6 c ) 11c + 5 c = 7 c + 7 c = 8 c + c + c = 4 c c ? & c c & 6f c = c c ) ) ) + 6f = 8c = 6 c = 1 c = c c=5 c = 2 c = 3 c = d ? ) + c ?

00:00:00.000 Since President Trump's election victory, we've heard experts proclaiming that it was Trump's blue-collar appeal that led him to the win.

00:00:05.000 Free trade left Americans in Rust Belt states behind.

00:00:08.000 Trump promised to quash that free trade.

00:00:10.000 Government subsidies went only to the areas beyond the horizon.

00:00:13.000 Trump promised to bring them back.

00:00:15.000 A solid mix of Democratic redistributionism and protectionism brought these voters home to the Republican Party.

00:00:20.000 But now a new study says the real reason so many white blue-collar workers went for Trump had nothing to do with their hillbilly elegy economic status.

00:00:28.000 Instead, the data show that these voters were simply alienated by the cultural myopia of Democrats who have focused on an intersectionality-laden definition of American politics, labeling straight white men the bad guys in their bizarre morality play.

00:00:41.000 According to PRI, The Atlantic,

00:00:43.000 A new model has been developed to measure the five most significant factors leading to support for Trump among white working-class voters.

00:00:49.000 The first was obvious, identification with the Republican Party.

00:00:52.000 But the second was fear of cultural displacement.

00:00:55.000 The data showed that white working-class voters who say they often feel like a stranger in their own land and believe the U.S.

00:01:00.000 needs protecting against foreign influence were 3.5 times more likely to favor Trump than those who did not share these concerns.

00:01:07.000 This is where the Democratic Party has truly gone off the rails.

00:01:09.000 By trotting out Hollywood celebrities who deride flyover America as a bunch of Bible-thumping simpletons, more and more Americans feel alienated inside their own country.

00:01:18.000 And no Lena Dunham speeches and Laverne Cox diatribes are going to reverse that.

00:01:21.000 In fact, the more Dunham and Cox are thrust to the floor by Democrats, the more people will vote Republican in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

00:01:29.000 The third factor in the study, support for deporting immigrants living in the country illegally.

00:01:33.000 Voters who supported deportation were 3.3 times more likely to express a preference for Trump than those who did not.

00:01:39.000 This was Ann Coulter's thesis and it was right.

00:01:41.000 People feel that the culture is changing in the United States not only due to the acidic effect of leftism, but due to the left's overt desire to change American culture through unfettered immigration without concern for assimilation.

00:01:53.000 Workers in Ohio aren't all that concerned about losing their jobs to illegal immigrants, but they are concerned about losing their country to people coming from lands that do not share the same basic values. 1.00

00:02:02.000 The fourth factor, disdain for higher education.

00:02:04.000 Again, this is a cultural hallmark, not an economic one.

00:02:08.000 According to PRI, quote, white working class voters who said that college education is a gamble were almost twice as likely to express a preference for Trump as those who said it was an important investment in the future.

00:02:17.000 That has less to do with people disdaining an engineering degree than people seeing that liberal colleges have become breeding grounds for anti-American globalism and anti-traditionalism.

00:02:26.000 The notion that these blue-collar workers were deeply concerned with trade and subsidies is belied by the fact that the fifth factor evaluated under this study, economic hardship, actually correlated in reverse fashion with Trump voting.

00:02:37.000 Quote, being in fair or poor financial shape actually predicted support among white working-class Americans rather than support for Donald Trump.

00:02:44.000 These people, the people the media have suggested were completely taken in by Trump's man-of-the-people shtick, were actually 1.7 times more likely to support Hillary Clinton.

00:02:53.000 All of which suggests that the call for moderate Republicans to embrace democratic economics is a fool's errand, and that dumping the Reagan combination of social conservatism and free markets won't actually guarantee a winning combination in the Rust Belt.

00:03:06.000 Trumpism is less about Trump than about rejection of Obamaism and Clintonism, and that is a very good thing for conservatism and for America.

00:03:13.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:03:13.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:03:18.000 Alrighty, I want to get to the latest from the Yates Clapper hearings that happened yesterday.

00:03:22.000 We're also going to be talking about some amazing comments from Condoleezza Rice.

00:03:27.000 We'll be talking about the latest on Trumpcare and Jimmy Kimmel and all the rest of it.

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00:04:54.000 The big story of the day yesterday was, of course, the Yates-Clapper hearing.

00:04:58.000 So Sally Yates was the former acting Attorney General under Attorney General Sessions.

00:05:04.000 She was there for a very short period of time because he recused himself in the Trump-Russia investigation.

00:05:08.000 And then she had said that she was not going to defend the Trump executive order with regard to refugees, with regard to travel ban.

00:05:18.000 And he fired her for good reason.

00:05:19.000 So she's coming back now and she's testifying.

00:05:21.000 She's testifying because the Democrats think she has secret information linking Trump to the Russians.

00:05:25.000 James Clapper, who is the head of the intelligence agencies under Barack Obama, he was also called before Congress to testify about the supposed Trump-Russia connections.

00:05:34.000 And there was nothing new, really, as far as the Trump-Russia connection.

00:05:38.000 So the idea that

00:05:39.000 There was all sorts of new material being broken about Trump and Russia that suddenly they dropped a bombshell that said that Trump was indeed colluding with the Russians in order to fix the election.

00:05:47.000 That didn't happen.

00:05:48.000 That led President Trump to do what I thought was actually the most suspicious thing about Trump-Russia connections that I've seen, and that is he changed the header on his entire Twitter feed.

00:05:57.000 So, President Trump has, what is it, 24, 25 million Twitter followers at this point on this particular account.

00:06:04.000 You know, a stunning number of people follow President Trump on Twitter.

00:06:09.000 And he changed the entire header on his, on his, on the top of his Twitter feed.

00:06:14.000 He changed it again this morning to remove the tweet.

00:06:17.000 But yesterday, he had this picture of him with the entire Congress, basically.

00:06:21.000 And then it said, Director Clapper reiterated what everybody, including the fake news media, already knows.

00:06:26.000 There's no evidence of collusion between Russia and Trump.

00:06:29.000 That's what it said on the top of his Twitter feed.

00:06:31.000 Now, if that doesn't sound suspicious to you, that's because you've never heard of the Streisand effect.

00:06:35.000 The Streisand Effect, of course, is named after Barbara Streisand.

00:06:37.000 She apparently wanted to keep the beach in front of her house clear for her view, and so she had tried to stop people from building in front of her house, even though she's obviously super rich and can afford to drive down to the ocean, and she made a big fuss over people finding out about this. 1.00

00:06:52.000 She sued some news outlet, and this, of course, made it a huge story.

00:06:55.000 The Streisand effect applies here too.

00:06:58.000 This is sort of the equivalent of Richard Nixon putting I am not a crook at the top of his Twitter page.

00:07:02.000 It's just not smart.

00:07:03.000 Even if it's true, it's just not smart all the way through.

00:07:06.000 He was tweeting incessantly about Yates yesterday.

00:07:09.000 He said the Russia-Trump collusion story is a total hoax.

00:07:11.000 When will this taxpayer-funded charade end?

00:07:13.000 Biggest story today between Clapper and Yates is on surveillance.

00:07:16.000 Why doesn't the media report on this?

00:07:17.000 Hashtag fake news.

00:07:19.000 Sally Yates made the fake media extremely unhappy today.

00:07:21.000 She said nothing but old news.

00:07:23.000 Well, it's not totally true that she said nothing but old news.

00:07:26.000 She sort of confirmed some stuff that we already knew, which is true, but the fact is that it's a mistake for Trump to be commenting publicly about this sort of thing, because all it does is drive more attention.

00:07:37.000 It makes people feel like the lady doth protest too much. 1.00

00:07:40.000 In any case, Sally Yates was testifying before Congress yesterday, and here was sort of the big news portion of what she had to say.

00:07:46.000 It was about Mike Flynn, the National Security Advisor, and she's obviously been called in because

00:07:51.000 She was the person who supposedly warned the Trump administration that Mike Flynn was in a compromising position because Flynn had been paid by the Russians and he had been talking to the Russians and therefore he couldn't be trusted with national security secrets.

00:08:03.000 Here was Sally Yates.

00:08:04.000 We weren't the only ones that knew all of this.

00:08:07.000 We're good to go.

00:08:27.000 Because not only did we believe that the Russians knew this, but that they likely had proof of this information.

00:08:34.000 And that created a compromise situation.

00:08:37.000 A situation where the National Security Advisor essentially could be blackmailed by the Russians.

00:08:43.000 So this is what people are latching onto on the left today, was that Flynn was compromised.

00:08:47.000 She told the Trump administration that Flynn was compromised, and then they waited 18 days to fire Flynn.

00:08:53.000 They futzed around, they pretended that nothing was wrong, and so this has created some serious questions about why they didn't fire Flynn earlier.

00:09:00.000 Those questions, I think, are legitimate.

00:09:02.000 I don't think that's an illegitimate question.

00:09:03.000 Once you inform somebody that there's a member of your team who might be compromised by foreign intelligence services, it seems to me that you'd want to move a little bit faster than three weeks on that sort of thing.

00:09:12.000 It is not proof, however, that Trump was colluding with the Russians, and in fact, there really is no evidence of collusion.

00:09:17.000 James Clapper, who is the head of the intelligence agencies under Obama, he came forward and he said that there was no real evidence of collusion, or at least that he had none.

00:09:25.000 The intelligence community assessment concluded first that President Putin directed an influence campaign to erode the faith and confidence of the American people in our presidential election process.

00:09:36.000 Second, that he did so to demean Secretary Clinton.

00:09:40.000 And third, that he sought to advantage Mr. Trump.

00:09:43.000 These conclusions were reached based on the richness of the information gathered and analyzed and were thoroughly vetted and then approved by the directors of the three agencies and me.

00:09:54.000 Okay, so he comes forward, he says that there really is no evidence that he's seen.

00:09:58.000 Sally Yates then tries to walk that back a little bit, and this is what the media are hanging their head on today, because Trump is hanging his hat on the Clapper comment here, that there's no evidence of collusion.

00:10:07.000 The media are hanging their hats on the idea that Clapper didn't know about an FBI investigation that was ongoing into possible collusion.

00:10:15.000 Here's Sally Yates saying that yesterday.

00:10:17.000 If I could try to clarify one answer before as well, because I think, Senator Graham, you may have misunderstood me.

00:10:22.000 You asked me whether I was aware of any evidence of collusion, and I declined to answer because answering would reveal classified information.

00:10:31.000 I believe that that's the same answer that Director Comey gave to this committee when he was asked this question as well.

00:10:37.000 And he made clear, and I'd like to make clear, that just because I say I can't answer it, you should not draw from that an assumption that that means that the answer is yes.

00:10:46.000 And I also think, if I may, sir, that this illustrates what I was trying to get at in my statement about the unique position that the FBI straddles between intelligence and law enforcement.

00:10:59.000 I just want the country to know that whatever they're doing on the counterintelligence side, Mr. Clapper didn't know about it, didn't make it in the report, and we'll see what comes from it.

00:11:09.000 Ms.

00:11:09.000 Shates, what did you tell the White House about Mr. Flynn?

00:11:16.000 I had two in-person meetings and one phone call with the White House Counsel about Mr. Flint.

00:11:24.000 The first meeting occurred on January 26.

00:11:26.000 I called Don McGahn first thing that morning and told him that I had a very sensitive matter that I needed to discuss with him, that I couldn't talk about it on the phone, and that I needed to come see him.

00:11:38.000 And he agreed to meet with me later that afternoon.

00:11:42.000 Okay, and so, what she is saying now, she's denying what Clapper had said, which is that he saw no evidence of collusion.

00:11:47.000 So, Yates is saying there might be evidence of collusion, but that's classified.

00:11:51.000 The way that Trump solves all of this is by just declassifying the material, right?

00:11:55.000 Trump is the President of the United States, he has the capacity to declassify.

00:11:58.000 If he wants to declassify the material, he certainly can, and he probably should at this point if he wants all of this to come to an end.

00:12:04.000 It's a very weird situation where you have members of the intelligence community who are basically coming forward and creating the appearance of smoke without any evidence of fire.

00:12:11.000 And that's what's happening here.

00:12:12.000 Sally Yates, who obviously is a political figure, she makes a bunch of political points in this particular testimony. 0.98

00:12:19.000 She went at it with Senator Cruz over the travel ban, and people were saying that she destroyed Cruz over the travel ban. 1.00

00:12:24.000 She didn't.

00:12:25.000 She was citing a different provision of law than Cruz was citing.

00:12:27.000 That is the entire legal debate over the travel ban.

00:12:29.000 She is a political actor. 0.98

00:12:30.000 To pretend that Sally Yates is not a political character is just silly. 0.88

00:12:33.000 James Clapper also is a political actor.

00:12:35.000 But this is why it's sort of dangerous to, number one, have political actors in positions of power and intelligence.

00:12:40.000 They have the ability to see intelligence that we don't see.

00:12:43.000 And number two, then to question them in an open forum because what you end up with is a situation where they say, well, we have a secret.

00:12:50.000 But we can't tell you.

00:12:51.000 And all that does is it leads people to believe that there's something nefarious going on without any actual proof of anything nefarious going on.

00:12:57.000 Now remember, no matter what Sally Yates said here or what Clapper says here, no evidence has actually been presented of collusion between Trump and Russia surrounding this election cycle.

00:13:05.000 But that doesn't seem to matter to the media.

00:13:07.000 They're jumping on the idea that Yates is not willing to just say there's no evidence to say, well, that means there must be evidence.

00:13:13.000 Well, it works both ways.

00:13:14.000 I mean, if it's classified material, it's possible that she can't say that there's no evidence because it's still in the process of investigation.

00:13:21.000 So, again, this sort of politicization of intelligence is really, really dangerous.

00:13:27.000 It's been happening under Obama.

00:13:28.000 It's now happening under Trump.

00:13:30.000 And it's not leading people to have any confidence in these agencies.

00:13:34.000 If Trump really wants all of this to go away, he should be moving swiftly to have his people going through whatever intelligence they have security clearance to see and then reveal it as fast as possible because the American people do have a right to know about all of this stuff.

00:13:46.000 Now, the stuff that Trump does want to focus on is the stuff with regard to unmasking.

00:13:50.000 So if you remember,

00:13:51.000 The case that Trump was making with regards to the intelligence community is that while Yates and Clapper may be focused on Mike Flynn being complicit with the Russian gang, and while they may be concerned about Trump-Russia collusion, while that may be the priority of the left, the priority of the right is that the Obama administration was unmasking Trump officials in an attempt to basically target them for leaks.

00:14:11.000 So the idea would be that they saw a communication that was masked, and it said something like, Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak

00:14:18.000 was having a conversation with unnamed American Citizen One.

00:14:22.000 And unnamed American Citizen One said X. And so, the Obama administration said, okay, we want to know the name of unnamed American Citizen One, and then we can leak it to the press.

00:14:30.000 That's the accusation that Trump is making anyway.

00:14:32.000 Both Yates and Clapper yesterday admitted to viewing unmasked Trump campaign communications, meaning that they saw materials that had members of Trump's name, his team's names, on them.

00:14:42.000 That's not illegal, by the way.

00:14:43.000 But it is a problem when you have Susan Rice and members of the Obama administration going out of their way to deliberately unmask only American citizens associated with the Trump campaign.

00:14:52.000 That is the big debate, and we'll see both sides of it here.

00:14:54.000 Here's Chuck Grassley.

00:14:56.000 Did either of you ever review classified documents in which Mr. Trump, his associates, or members of Congress had been unmasked?

00:15:07.000 Oh, yes.

00:15:08.000 You have.

00:15:09.000 Can you give us details here?

00:15:10.000 No, I can't.

00:15:13.000 Ms.

00:15:13.000 Yates, have you?

00:15:15.000 Yes, I have.

00:15:16.000 And no, I can't give you details.

00:15:17.000 Okay.

00:15:19.000 And she's obviously very happy about not being able to give details because she doesn't want to give details, obviously.

00:15:25.000 Clapper then went on and he said that, you know, to pretend that it was just about Trump campaign being unmasked.

00:15:30.000 Lots of people get unmasked under the way the law works.

00:15:34.000 My former office publishes a report on the statistics of how many U.S.

00:15:38.000 persons' identities are en masse based on a collection that occurred under Section 702 of the FISA Amendment Act, which I'll speak to in a moment.

00:15:45.000 And in 2016, that number was 1,934.

00:15:50.000 So here is the takeaway.

00:15:51.000 We don't know.

00:15:53.000 We don't know more today than we did yesterday.

00:15:55.000 In fact, in some ways, we know less today than we did yesterday.

00:15:58.000 The rationale being that on the one side, as I say, the right is trying to claim there's no Trump-Russia collusion.

00:16:02.000 And then you have Sally Yates saying, well, there might be material there, but I can't talk about it because it's classified.

00:16:07.000 So we don't actually learn anything there.

00:16:09.000 There's a lot of smoke for the left to play with, but no fire.

00:16:11.000 On the other side, you have the right saying,

00:16:13.000 The Obama administration unmasked all these members of the Trump team.

00:16:16.000 They apparently wanted a FISA warrant against a member of the Trump campaign, presumably Carter Page.

00:16:21.000 And the left is saying, well, we unmasked lots of people.

00:16:24.000 So again, smoke, no fire.

00:16:26.000 So lots of smoke everywhere and no fire.

00:16:28.000 Again, this is the problem when intelligence becomes politicized, because there really is no way, once the intelligence is politicized, for anyone to trust what's coming out of the intelligence community, absent mass declassification.

00:16:39.000 And that's probably, unfortunately, what has to happen here now, because no one trusts the intelligence services all the way through.

00:16:46.000 The other story that was being pushed by the left very hard yesterday was the story that said that Obama had warned the Trump administration about the dangers of Mike Flynn, that Mike Flynn was actually compromised by the Russians.

00:16:56.000 No evidence that Obama actually warned Trump about this before Trump nominated Flynn to become NSA.

00:17:02.000 And in fact, the Trump administration basically said that Obama didn't like Flynn personally, and that's why he was complaining about Mike Flynn.

00:17:09.000 Sean Spicer came out yesterday, and he talked about what Obama had actually said to Trump about Mike Flynn.

00:17:15.000 The President doesn't disclose details of meetings that he has, which in this case was an hour-long meeting, but it's true that President Obama made it known that he wasn't exactly a fan of General Flynn's, which frankly shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that, given that General Flynn had worked for President Obama, was an outspoken critic of President Obama's shortcomings, specifically as it related to his lack of strategy confronting ISIS and other threats around

00:17:42.000 We're good to go.

00:18:07.000 Okay, and that's exactly correct.

00:18:08.000 Good for Sean Spicer for calling it out.

00:18:10.000 The media headlined yesterday that it was such a disaster, that Obama had warned Trump and Trump didn't take the warning.

00:18:15.000 A lot of us were warning that Flynn wasn't a good pick.

00:18:17.000 That's not the same as saying, here's some specific intelligence saying that Flynn has been compromised by the Russians. 0.95

00:18:22.000 For the stupidest reaction to all of this, we can always turn to our good friend Chris Matthews over on MSNBC. 0.99

00:18:27.000 Man, it comes out of the shoe! 1.00

00:18:28.000 Get up in the morning, comes out of the shoe, come on in there, talk about Trump!

00:18:31.000 Russia.

00:18:32.000 Yates.

00:18:33.000 You know why he hates Yates?

00:18:34.000 He doesn't hate Yates because Yates is a political hack.

00:18:36.000 He hates Yates because Yates is a girl.

00:18:38.000 That's what I think.

00:18:39.000 Go! 0.95

00:18:39.000 Trump watch Monday, May 8th, 2017. 0.95

00:18:42.000 Well, today Donald Trump found himself against a prosecutor who should scare the daylights out of him.

00:18:47.000 I'm talking about Sally Yates, the former acting attorney general who dared to blow the whistle twice in his face.

00:18:54.000 First, she informed Trump's White House lawyer that the Director of National Security might be up to his neck with the Russians.

00:19:00.000 The second strike was calling out his notorious Muslim ban as a violation of the First Amendment, which bans the government from recognizing an official religion.

00:19:08.000 And both those charges by Yates against Trump make him look bad, make her look very good.

00:19:14.000 It could be the last part making Sally Yates look good that's driving the man in the White House up a wall.

00:19:19.000 Remember how, as Senator Elizabeth Warren once wonderfully put it,

00:19:23.000 He can't stand the fact that he's losing to a girl.

00:19:27.000 Okay, and so I love that everything for the left always comes back down to that same argument about how Republicans hate women and they can't stand losing to a girl and all of this routine.

00:19:37.000 And then they wonder why Trump won.

00:19:39.000 Trump won mainly because of stuff like this from Chris Matthews. 0.76

00:19:42.000 Just silliness.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - May 11, 2017

Ep. 299 - This Trump-Russia Garbage Is Getting Old

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