The Ben Shapiro Show


Ep. 305 - The Special Counsel Has Arrived -- But It Won't Satisfy Democrats


Summary

As I predicted Tuesday evening, the Republican line of defense regarding President Trump s myriad foibles has boiled down to this: Trump is a victim of spineless Republicans who won t back him, who won't back his play, and the Deep State. Here is the sad truth: President Trump is the victim of himself, and all Republicans have to deal with basically the same enemies: the media, the deep state, and a bunch of sycophants who insist his only problem is that he s such a suffering martyr. I want to get to the bottom of this, and suggest that all of this seems to be a bit of a witch hunt, but we'll talk about what's really going on, and it's not about the witch hunt. I'm The Ben Shapiro Show, and I know, I know it's pretty harsh on Trump, but you know what? Well, well, you're not the only one who needs a special prosecutor in the Trump case, and you know who is? Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Ben Shapiro is the special counsel for the Trump/Russia investigation, and he's got a lot of good stuff to do, and we're going to do our best to find out what's going on in this case, right here in this episode of The Ben Show. I think you'll agree with me that Trump's problem is not that he's a bad guy, it's that he doesn't have a plan to fix it, he's just a guy who doesn't know how to do what he needs to do it the right way, so he just does it the way he wants to do things the right, which is what we're doing it the old-fashioned way, and that's what he does the way we need to do the thing that he wants, not how he does it, not what he's going to be doing it, right there in the White House, right in Washington, Washington, DC, and in New York, New York City, and Los Angeles, California, New Jersey, and New York. And that's not even close to being a good guy, is what it's all about, right? I mean, he just needs a scapegoat, not a guy like George W. W. Bush, not some guy who sipping on a glass of Gatorade and eating ice cream and drinking ice cream, not someone who s going to make him feel bad about it, and then he s gonna do it?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 As I predicted Tuesday evening, the Republican line of defense regarding President Trump's myriad foibles has boiled down to this.
00:00:05.000 Trump is a victim.
00:00:06.000 He's a victim of the press.
00:00:07.000 He's a victim of spineless Republicans who won't back his play.
00:00:10.000 He's a victim of the deep state.
00:00:12.000 In a world of snowflakes, Trump is a veritable one-man blizzard.
00:00:14.000 Here is the sad truth.
00:00:16.000 President Trump is a victim of himself.
00:00:18.000 All Republicans have to deal with basically the same enemies.
00:00:21.000 The media.
00:00:21.000 Mitt Romney was targeted as a bad man for supposedly strapping a dog to the top of his car and forcibly cutting a gay kid's hair back in 1720.
00:00:28.000 John McCain was allegedly a doddering old crazy person who wouldn't survive a term in office.
00:00:32.000 George W. Bush was a war criminal who sold blood for oil and murdered hundreds of thousands of people to get Halliburton some walking around money.
00:00:38.000 Spineless Republicans.
00:00:39.000 Remember Republicans who weren't willing to defend George W. Bush during his administration?
00:00:43.000 They were plentiful, and they included many of the same players as they do now.
00:00:47.000 Bush was uncouth, according to many of these people.
00:00:49.000 He had lied, people had died.
00:00:50.000 In fact, one of the spineless Republicans who jumped on the bandwagon against Bush was a fellow who had expressed tepid support for the Iraq war, then turned on Bush with a vengeance when things started to go south.
00:00:59.000 Some guy named Donald Trump.
00:01:00.000 As for congressional Republicans, they wouldn't even ram through Social Security privatization after Bush's re-election.
00:01:05.000 The Deep State.
00:01:06.000 Doesn't anyone remember the Bush administration actually launching an FBI probe to target leakers within the administration and in Congress?
00:01:13.000 You remember Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, appointed by one James B. Comey, to investigate the Bush administration leaks regarding Valerie Plame?
00:01:20.000 In October 2003, Bush told his top officials to quote-unquote stop the leaks to the press, and that order promptly leaked to the press.
00:01:26.000 Here's the difference between Trump and the rest of these Republican targets.
00:01:29.000 Trump.
00:01:30.000 They all have the same enemies.
00:01:31.000 But those enemies did not include Mitt Romney or John McCain or George W. Bush.
00:01:35.000 Trump is better at directly confronting the media than any of these other Republicans.
00:01:38.000 But his full frontal assault has really achieved not much, since he's unable to control himself.
00:01:43.000 He substitutes his own fibs for theirs.
00:01:44.000 He undermines his credibility dramatically.
00:01:46.000 He undercuts the credibility of his own surrogates.
00:01:48.000 Yes, he has helped rip down the media, which is great, but he's ripping himself down at the same time and thereby restoring American faith in the media.
00:01:55.000 Here's the sad fact.
00:01:56.000 Over the last week, the New York Times and Washington Post have been much more credible than the Trump administration.
00:02:01.000 Trump has a base of Republicans who won't support him, but it's far, far smaller than that of Bush or McCain or Romney.
00:02:06.000 In fact, unlike Bush's base, Trump's base isn't dependent on anything Trump does.
00:02:10.000 Bush's approval ratings dropped into the basement when he pursued bad policy, whereas Trump's remains really high among Republicans.
00:02:16.000 Even as he pursues the Cleavon Little and Blazing Saddles strategy of negotiation, he's currently riding at 79% approval rating among Republicans, with just 16% disapproving.
00:02:25.000 Spineless Republicans refusing to do his legislative bidding, that's really not the problem.
00:02:29.000 The problem is that he doesn't have a legislative agenda, and that he has not a lot of leverage with which to bargain with Republicans thanks to the incompetence.
00:02:36.000 Bush had his share of Republican naysayers, for sure, but he didn't spend his days offering them excuses to run for the hills.
00:02:41.000 Finally, there's the deep state.
00:02:42.000 Bush had leaks, but Bush locked down leaks, as Peggy Noonan wrote at the time, quote, The Bush White House doesn't leak because George W. actively and affirmatively does not want it to.
00:02:50.000 Trump hasn't filled the vast majority of top roles, meaning Obama holdovers likely still dominate his administration.
00:02:56.000 Trump also has no habit of instilling loyalty in those around him by pursuing an agenda or listening to advice or demonstrating he'll stand by his people.
00:03:03.000 Instead, he's showing he's willing to throw anybody under the bus at any time.
00:03:06.000 It's an easy, silly game to pretend that Trump's main opposition is the same opposition all Republicans face, even if that opposition is amped up this time around.
00:03:14.000 Trump's main opposition remains himself, and the sycophants who insist his only problem is that he's such a suffering martyr.
00:03:19.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:03:20.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:03:25.000 I know, pretty harsh on Trump, right?
00:03:26.000 Well, you know, they have now issued a special prosecutor, a special counsel in the Trump case, and this is entirely of Trump's own making.
00:03:34.000 I want to get to the fact that all of this seems to be a bit of a witch hunt about nothing, but we'll talk about what's real and what's not in all of this.
00:03:42.000 Again, I think it's important to note that Trump shot himself in the foot, and the only reason that his foot is now separated from his body is because he pulled the trigger.
00:03:49.000 But we'll get to that in just a second.
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00:05:54.000 Okay, so, the big news of the day is that a special prosecutor, special counsel, has now been appointed in this investigation of Trump-Russia.
00:06:02.000 Again, I want to state, there is no evidence that Trump is guilty with regard to collusion with Russia.
00:06:08.000 Let me repeat that again.
00:06:09.000 There is no evidence that Trump is guilty with regard to collusion with Russia in any way, shape, or form.
00:06:16.000 No evidence has been presented.
00:06:17.000 This is all smoke.
00:06:18.000 It's no fire.
00:06:19.000 There are people who are looking pretty shady right now.
00:06:21.000 Mike Flynn, his former national security advisor, is one of them.
00:06:24.000 We'll talk about Flynn in a little while here.
00:06:26.000 Paul Manafort, his former campaign manager, is another.
00:06:28.000 But, is this Watergate?
00:06:29.000 No, it's not Watergate.
00:06:30.000 It looks like, if it's going to be a scandal, it's going to be much more like a Ron Contra, where it looks like a subordinate did something, and the president doesn't necessarily know about it.
00:06:37.000 This is a case where Trump, it really looks like Trump is innocent.
00:06:39.000 I understand why Trump is upset.
00:06:41.000 I understand why Trump is tweeting.
00:06:43.000 This morning, Trump was tweeting, if I were him, I'd be tempted to do it too, is the truth.
00:06:46.000 Trump went out there this morning and he was tweeting that Hillary, there was never a special prosecutor associated with Hillary Clinton, there's never a special prosecutor under Obama, there's never a special counsel, he spelled it wrong but he's right, there's never a special counsel that was appointed for Benghazi or Fast and Furious, a case in which the DOJ clearly could not investigate itself, or on the IRS scandal.
00:07:07.000 He's absolutely right about all of those things and if you're Trump and you're sitting there in the White House going, I didn't have anything to do with any of these things, why is everybody bothering me about this?
00:07:15.000 Yes, you too would be irritated.
00:07:17.000 But the fact that Trump can't control himself is why we now have a special prosecutor.
00:07:20.000 Because let's rewind.
00:07:21.000 The reason that this happened in the first place is because Donald Trump fired James Comey.
00:07:25.000 That's why there is now a special prosecutor.
00:07:28.000 Remember, James Comey was the guy in charge of investigating all of this stuff.
00:07:31.000 Trump didn't like and was impatient with the fact that Comey wouldn't just say that Trump was innocent even if Flynn and Manafort and others were still involved in an investigation.
00:07:39.000 So he fired Comey on the recommendation of Rod Rosenstein, the Deputy Attorney General.
00:07:43.000 Because he had to come up with this cover of using the Deputy Attorney General's letter, Rod Rosenstein's letter to fire Comey, and then Trump came out two days later and came out, no, it wasn't about that letter at all.
00:07:52.000 It was really about the Russia stuff.
00:07:54.000 Well, now Rod Rosenstein can't be involved in the Trump-Russia investigation because Trump has now involved him in it.
00:08:01.000 In a witness capacity.
00:08:03.000 Because now Rod Rosenstein will probably be called in this case, if there is a case at all, it'll probably be subpoenaed and brought before Congress to talk about what he knows about the Trump-Russia investigation and whether there was an attempt to stifle it or why Comey was fired.
00:08:15.000 So Rosenstein can actually be involved.
00:08:17.000 So because Trump fired Comey, made up an excuse, and then debunked his own excuse,
00:08:21.000 Now Rosenstein has to basically recuse himself.
00:08:23.000 Sessions already had to recuse himself.
00:08:25.000 Now Rosenstein has to recuse himself, which means that he basically has to appoint a special counsel.
00:08:30.000 So this is all because Trump just decided to make a decision without a thought for the consequences.
00:08:36.000 Now here's the truth.
00:08:37.000 This could actually be a good thing for Trump.
00:08:39.000 The special counsel thing could actually be a good thing for Trump if and only if Trump can control himself.
00:08:44.000 This is always the big question.
00:08:46.000 Can Trump control himself?
00:08:48.000 The reason that this could be a good thing for Trump is because the person who is in charge here is going to be a guy named Robert Mueller.
00:08:54.000 Robert Mueller, if you recall, was the head of the FBI under George W. Bush, and then he was reappointed for a couple of years by President Obama.
00:09:01.000 He worked in the Department of Justice for a dozen years as a U.S.
00:09:04.000 attorney.
00:09:05.000 He was an assistant attorney general under George H.W.
00:09:08.000 Bush.
00:09:09.000 In 2004, as director of the FBI, Mueller, along with Comey,
00:09:12.000 Now, what does a special counsel mean?
00:09:13.000 There are a lot of people who are opposed to the basic concept of a special counsel, and that's for a good reason.
00:09:32.000 That's for a good reason, okay?
00:09:33.000 Special counsels have a long history of exceeding their mandate.
00:09:36.000 So Patrick Fitzgerald, who I mentioned earlier, was a special counsel appointed to look into the leaks about Valerie Plame.
00:09:42.000 You remember this.
00:09:43.000 Valerie Plame was working at the CIA, and her husband, Joe Wilson, ran a story about how there had never been yellow cake sold to the Iraqis, and it was kind of a shoddy story, but somebody leaked his wife's name to the press, Valerie Plame, and she was working for the CIA at the time.
00:09:58.000 It turned out that it was Richard Armitage who was working for the administration, but
00:10:02.000 Patrick Fitzgerald didn't prosecute Armitage, he went all the way to Scooter Libby and then prosecuted him for basically catching him in supposed perjury.
00:10:10.000 So, the problem with special prosecutors, Kenneth Starr on the right, you know, with regard to the Lewinsky investigation, or Patrick Fitzgerald on the left, the problem with a special prosecutor is a special prosecutor's basic job is to dig and dig and dig until you hit bedrock, and if you don't hit bedrock, if you just
00:10:25.000 You hit more dirt, you just keep digging.
00:10:27.000 So they're going to dig until they find something, which is why the Wall Street Journal has come out against the appointment of the special counsel, the special prosecutor.
00:10:34.000 Now, Trump can fire him.
00:10:36.000 The problem is, of course, that if Trump fired him, it would just redouble the pressure on the scandal.
00:10:40.000 But here's why this could be good news for Trump.
00:10:41.000 Number one, Mueller has a history of keeping his mouth shut.
00:10:45.000 He is not leaky like James Comey.
00:10:47.000 So he is not going to be out there every day in the press talking about what his investigation is doing.
00:10:52.000 And in fact, he's not even answerable under the law to the Attorney General as far as informing him as to what is going on on a regular basis.
00:10:58.000 So, theoretically, Mueller could just say to everybody, okay, everybody calm down.
00:11:02.000 Everybody shut up.
00:11:03.000 I'm looking into all this stuff.
00:11:05.000 I'm looking into all of it.
00:11:06.000 And we'll get to the bottom of it.
00:11:07.000 So sit down.
00:11:08.000 Shut up.
00:11:09.000 Wait a year, I'll be back.
00:11:11.000 Right?
00:11:11.000 And then, Trump, anytime somebody asks him a question, he can say, listen, there's a special prosecutor, a special counsel looking at this, and because the special counsel's looking at this, I have nothing else to say on this matter.
00:11:20.000 I'm sure he'll do a thorough job.
00:11:21.000 Right?
00:11:22.000 That's what Trump could say.
00:11:23.000 It would probably go away for a year.
00:11:25.000 Right?
00:11:25.000 Everything would go quiet.
00:11:26.000 The Democrats wouldn't have any reason to complain because Bob Mueller is well-respected on both sides of the aisle.
00:11:32.000 It could take pressure off Congress for subpoenaing people because now they can say, listen, Mueller's doing the job.
00:11:36.000 It's not our job to do it.
00:11:37.000 Let Mueller do it.
00:11:39.000 So it could really be a good thing for Trump in a weird sort of way, but Trump has to stop shooting himself in the foot.
00:11:44.000 So him going on Twitter, I understand why he's frustrated, but him going on Twitter this morning,
00:11:49.000 In talking about how he's the most persecuted president in the history of presidents, it's not helpful.
00:11:53.000 It makes him look like he's desperate, it makes him look like he's angry, it makes him look like he has something to hide.
00:11:58.000 If he really has nothing to hide, his statement yesterday was the right statement.
00:12:00.000 He made a statement yesterday from the White House where he said, listen, we'll do a full investigation and they'll come up with nothing, as I'm sure every other investigation will as well, and I'm focused on the work of the American people.
00:12:11.000 That was the proper answer.
00:12:12.000 Should have left it at that.
00:12:13.000 Instead, instead, he started tweeting this morning about how
00:12:16.000 He was the, this is the biggest witch hunt in the history of the presidency.
00:12:21.000 Again, you know, it is true that the media have amped up their game for Trump, for sure, but this is not good strategy.
00:12:27.000 I'm just putting aside the truth of it for a second.
00:12:29.000 It's not good strategy.
00:12:30.000 If you're the president of the United States, your best bet now is to sit down, shut up, let the investigation take its course.
00:12:35.000 They're not going to find anything on you, so let it go.
00:12:39.000 Instead, it just seems like chaos is reigning.
00:12:41.000 Even Tucker Carlson, who's obviously a fan of the administration, he was upset at the administration last night because they'd offered Kellyanne Conway to come on the air, and then Kellyanne Conway pulled out last second.
00:12:50.000 Here's what Tucker Carlson had to say about it.
00:12:52.000 They said, we want to send over Kellyanne Conway?
00:12:54.000 Great.
00:12:55.000 And then not long before air, they canceled it for reasons that weren't exactly clear.
00:12:59.000 Now, I think a lot of the descriptions in the press about what's going on at the White House are false, or they're animated by the hate the press has for Trump, which is totally real.
00:13:07.000 But it does seem a little chaotic over there, I gotta be honest with you.
00:13:10.000 Is it as chaotic as it seems?
00:13:11.000 I was over there today, I have to say it was like, whenever you get inside the bubble, it's so much more tranquil.
00:13:17.000 People are just doing their jobs, nobody's running around.
00:13:20.000 I think if you take a step away from their daily jobs, this is a lot on a White House staff.
00:13:26.000 This is more breaking news around an administration than we've seen in, I don't know if we've ever seen it before.
00:13:32.000 And I think that comes with a certain amount of stress.
00:13:34.000 Yeah.
00:13:34.000 That's on these folks.
00:13:35.000 And they also have this- The point here is that Carlson is obviously upset because the White House is not handling its business properly.
00:13:41.000 Again, the White House could come out of this.
00:13:43.000 It's so easy here.
00:13:44.000 It really is.
00:13:44.000 And it's been easy every step of the way because self-created problems are also problems you can solve yourself.
00:13:48.000 Trump is capable of solving these problems.
00:13:50.000 All he has to do, appoint a director of the FBI who's going to be a bipartisan pick, and then appoint somebody and then let the special prosecutor do his job.
00:13:59.000 That's it.
00:14:00.000 That's it.
00:14:00.000 That's all he has to do.
00:14:01.000 We'll talk about whether he's going to do that in just a second.
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00:15:47.000 Okay, so.
00:15:49.000 The Democrats, meanwhile, are pushing on the Comey stuff.
00:15:53.000 So now the Democrats are basically silenced on the Trump-Russia investigation as far as Mueller.
00:15:59.000 So Mueller's looking into it.
00:16:00.000 There's nothing for them to talk about.
00:16:02.000 But they're amping up their game with regard to the Comey firing.
00:16:05.000 So remember, they're going to focus in on the supposed cover-up, not on the supposed crime.
00:16:10.000 For the fourth time this show, there is no evidence that Trump personally colluded with Russia in any way.
00:16:17.000 Zero evidence whatsoever.
00:16:18.000 So, what are they focusing on?
00:16:19.000 They're focusing on the supposed cover-up of evidence that they have no proof exists.
00:16:23.000 They're focusing on Trump firing Comey.
00:16:24.000 As I said yesterday, what actually happened in the firing of Comey, in all likelihood, was that Trump thinks that Mike Flynn is innocent, and so he asked Comey, can you leave him alone, not because he thinks Flynn is guilty and wants
00:16:36.000 Comey off his case, but because he thinks Flynn is innocent, she's like, can you leave him alone?
00:16:39.000 Comey says, well, not really.
00:16:41.000 And then a couple of months later, Trump is pissed because Comey won't just say that Trump is innocent.
00:16:46.000 And so Trump fires Comey, and then he handles it really, really badly.
00:16:49.000 So the Democrats are jumping on the Comey firing to suggest a coverup, even though there really is not even evidence of a coverup yet.
00:16:54.000 It's really over the top.
00:16:56.000 So the Democrats are focused on bringing Comey before Congress and talking about Comey as much as possible.
00:17:01.000 Mark Warner, senator from Virginia, he says that the American people want to hear from Comey.
00:17:06.000 The real thing that the American public wants to hear is they want to hear from Jim Comey.
00:17:09.000 They want to hear from him in an open hearing.
00:17:12.000 And I think the appropriate venue is the Senate Intel Committee.
00:17:15.000 If he chooses another committee, that's fine as well, but as long as he gets a chance to make his case.
00:17:21.000 Okay, so the Democrats are jumping all over this, and the White House, again, is handling this about as badly as you possibly can.
00:17:26.000 Sean Spicer, White House Press Secretary, at least for the moment, he says that the White House has nothing to say about the news that broke yesterday about the James Comey memo, the memo that suggested that he had been told by Trump to drop the investigation, or that Trump had suggested he drop the investigation.
00:17:41.000 Here's Sean Spicer basically ignoring it.
00:17:43.000 Oh, we don't have that.
00:17:44.000 So Spicer actually said that.
00:17:48.000 But here's the truth.
00:17:49.000 Here's the truth, okay?
00:17:50.000 Easy answer to all of this.
00:17:51.000 Easy answer.
00:17:52.000 Comey said in open testimony that people were not trying to quash his investigation.
00:17:58.000 That people were not trying to get in his way.
00:18:00.000 Here's a flashback.
00:18:01.000 James Comey, like a week ago, talking about how he was never pressured to halt his investigation.
00:18:08.000 If the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?
00:18:18.000 In theory, yes.
00:18:20.000 Has it happened?
00:18:22.000 Not in my experience.
00:18:23.000 Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something without an appropriate purpose.
00:18:30.000 Oftentimes they give us opinions that we don't see a case there and so you ought to stop investing resources in it.
00:18:36.000 But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason.
00:18:40.000 That would be a very big deal.
00:18:42.000 Okay, so he said in open testimony people weren't trying to stop him.
00:18:46.000 Now, people on the left are saying, well, he was talking about the Attorney General.
00:18:49.000 You really think that if he was asked that question and he wanted to say the president's been trying to stop me from investigating, he couldn't have dropped it right there?
00:18:55.000 So Comey himself is saying that he wasn't really pressured to drop this FBI investigation.
00:18:59.000 Why isn't the White House pushing that line?
00:19:00.000 The Democrats are out over their skis here.
00:19:02.000 They're really out over their skis.
00:19:04.000 Jason Chaffetz, who's going to be retiring, this congressman from Utah, head of the House Oversight Committee, he says, and he's right, the Democrats don't have anything here.
00:19:10.000 They really don't.
00:19:11.000 So do you think that the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel to look into this Russia question, whatever that question is, will stop the acceleration we've seen in the last week, talk of impeachment, of removing Trump somehow from office.
00:19:25.000 No, no.
00:19:26.000 How would it not?
00:19:29.000 No, it's not going to slow them down.
00:19:30.000 Now they're just going to change their talking points.
00:19:32.000 The Democrats, by the way, I love their newfound commitment to openness, transparency and accountability.
00:19:37.000 I mean, where did that come from?
00:19:39.000 All of a sudden, come January 20th, they were all for it.
00:19:42.000 But they're just going to change their talking points and say this administration is in chaos.
00:19:47.000 And by the way, it's under investigation itself.
00:19:49.000 It had to have a special counsel.
00:19:51.000 You'll hear them.
00:19:52.000 I mean, you could just already hear them in advance.
00:19:54.000 It's an insatiable desire.
00:19:56.000 They have
00:19:57.000 I have no idea.
00:19:57.000 Chaffetz is totally right.
00:19:58.000 Chaffetz is totally right that the special prosecutor isn't going to make the Democrats feel any better, but it's at least a good cover for the Trump administration if the Trump administration is willing to use it.
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