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00:00:00.000According to Heat Street, Ontario has now passed a law that would allow the government to invade your home and strip you of your child if your little Billy comes home from school one day and announces he's little Sally, and if you have the temerity to tell him that he is not in fact Sally.
00:00:13.000By a shockingly broad margin of 63 to 23, the Supreme
00:00:56.000To remove a child from the home because the government disagrees with basic biology is beyond the pale of the reasonable.
00:01:02.000Unfortunately, it's not going to be long before leftists in the United States push the same thing.
00:01:06.000The first step on that road is the widely acclaimed spate of legislation banning so-called conversion therapy for children with homosexual tendencies.
00:01:13.000This is not an argument in favor of the efficacy of conversion therapy, which is iffy in even the best circumstances, but
00:01:20.000If a child is disturbed by homosexual feelings, and you bring that child to a therapist to talk it through, that would now be considered illegal in states including California and New Jersey.
00:01:28.000As Scott Shackelford of Reason Magazine explains, quote,
00:01:42.000This isn't a ban on particular dangerous technique like electroshock treatment, for example.
00:01:46.000It's a ban on anything, even just speech, coming from a licensed therapist that suggests homosexuality can be cured.
00:01:52.000It is dangerous to allow the government to control the classification of speech and to recast speech as something else just because commerce is involved.
00:01:59.000The next step will undoubtedly be removing children from parents who pursue such therapy in spite of the ban, purportedly for the good of the child.
00:02:06.000The left's next step could be to remove accreditation from schools that do not traffic in LGBT advocacy.
00:02:11.000After all, California has attempted to remove non-profit status from the Boy Scouts.
00:02:15.000Schools in California have now mandated that kids learn about LGBT history in public schools.
00:02:20.000What happens when people homeschool, and the state decides that homeschooling is inappropriate for children if they aren't taught the state's educational approach?
00:02:27.000It's not difficult to imagine Child Protective Services removing children whose parents won't teach them positively about the full spectrum of sexual orientation.
00:02:35.000In the interests of the child, of course.
00:02:37.000Or leftists could skip directly to the Ontario scenario.
00:02:40.000They could claim that transgender children are being shackled by their bigoted parents and must be protected by the state.
00:02:47.000It's particularly scary not only for religious parents, but for anyone who understands that there is no evidence that transgender feelings among children are unchanging, the vast majority of children with such feelings grow out of them, or that boys cannot actually become girls.
00:03:01.000In Ontario, the state has now placed itself in direct opposition to science and freedom.
00:03:05.000In the United States, the movement to do the same must be stopped now, before families are torn apart on behalf of a propagandistic sexual agenda.
00:05:19.000Sympathetic to the Edward Snowden position on intelligence.
00:05:23.000And this leaker, whose name, as I say, is Reality Leigh Winner, 25, she was arrested by the FBI at her home on Saturday, June 3rd, and it was probably about, people are still not sure, but it was supposedly about this document that she passed on to The Intercept that showed that a couple of days before the election, the Russians were attempting to hack into actual voting machines in the United States.
00:05:45.000Which would of course throw the entire election system into turmoil.
00:05:47.000There have always been these conspiracy theories about how it happened in 2000, there are conspiracy theories in 2000 and in 2016 as well, that these voting machines were actually hacked and that's why Trump won is because the Russians were going in and actually manipulating the final voting outcome.
00:06:03.000There's still no evidence that they succeeded in that.
00:06:06.000The document from the NSA that was leaked by Reality Winner did not actually show that the Russians were successful in their attempts to hack.
00:06:16.000Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, he said, Exceptional law enforcement efforts allowed us to quickly identify and arrest the defendant.
00:06:22.000Releasing classified material without authorization threatens our national security and undermines public faith in government.
00:06:28.000People who are trusted with classified information and pledged to protect it must be held accountable when they violate that obligation.
00:06:34.000So apparently, according to the criminal complaint, Reality Winner, I'm never going to get tired of saying that name.
00:06:39.000I just feel like Reality Winner should have at some point dated Carlos Danger, and they should all touch the orb together and they should say, Covfefe.
00:06:47.000We've now reached peak stupid, I think, in 2017.
00:06:50.000But every time I say that, there's like another two weeks that go by and we're even stupider than that.
00:06:55.000We're in the alternative timeline in which Marty McFly did not prevent Biff from using the Sports Almanac in order to bet on games.
00:07:02.000In any case, the criminal complaint alleges that Winner, a contractor with Pluribus International Corporation, was employed at a U.S.
00:07:08.000government agency facility in Georgia since roughly February 13th, and she held a top secret clearance sometime around May 9th,
00:07:15.000She printed an improperly removed classified intelligence reporting, which contained classified national defense information from an intelligence community agency, illegally kept it, and then illegally transmitted the intelligence reporting to an online news outlet, which would be The Intercept.
00:07:30.000And I guess the way that they tracked her down is The Intercept printed the actual copy of the document.
00:07:36.000And it showed that the document had been folded, which looked like it had been an actual original document that was printed out at the facility, folded up, put in a pocket, and then walked out.
00:07:45.000So then they were able to look at who exactly had access to these documents and who had printed it out, and they came up with her.
00:07:51.000So well done, The Intercept, protecting your leaker.
00:07:57.000But the amazing thing, the amazing thing is I think we're going to have to issue a ban on the importation of people into government service.
00:08:25.000Not just a criminal background check and employment history, but also a background investigator verifies all the information, does a grueling and lengthy process of speaking to past employers, neighbors, spouses, ex-spouses, and acquaintances to determine whether you're trustworthy enough to be given clearance according to TheBalance.com, which is an employment site.
00:08:42.000It covers a 10-year period, and they give you a polygraph in many cases.
00:08:45.000But they didn't check her Twitter feed, okay?
00:08:48.000Like, two days, literally two days before she started working for the federal government, she went on Twitter, and she responded to a tweet from Javad Sarif.
00:08:55.000Javad Sarif is the dictator, or the foreign minister, rather, of the Iranian terrorist government.
00:09:38.000But I am even more concerned if we can't vet the people who are getting top sec- I don't have top security clearance, do you?
00:09:43.000I don't think anyone in this room has top security clearance.
00:09:45.000I doubt I'd be given top security clearance under the standards of the federal government because I'm very outspoken in my political views.
00:09:52.000But this gal went on Twitter and she was just sounding off on whatever she felt like sounding off on.
00:09:56.000There's one point where she tweeted at Kanye West, again this is after she was working for the federal government in February 2017, quote, you should make a shirt that says, being white is terrorism.
00:10:21.000Okay, first of all, let me just point out that Trump going after leakers
00:10:25.000Obama would have gone after this leak or two.
00:10:27.000I mean, the idea that this was in any way legal or acceptable is just nonsense.
00:10:32.000Anyone would have gone after Reality Winner.
00:10:34.000But what the Democrats are really jumping on is the fact that the document that she exposed said that these voting machines were hacked.
00:10:40.000So Tim Kaine, the vice presidential candidate, along with Hillary Clinton in 2016, he said that he thinks that it's not out of the realm of possibility that Hillary actually won the election and that the Russians hacked the voting machines.
00:10:51.000Do you think the vote count could have been affected by the Russians?
00:10:55.000Oh, I definitely think so, and let's just make a distinction here.
00:11:00.000I don't think anybody has suggested that the actual tallies on the machines were affected, although that's certainly something we should look at, but I haven't heard anybody suggest that there's evidence that that occurred.
00:11:13.000But, when the combined weight of the intelligence committees say that Russia was engaging in a wide-ranging pattern of action to affect the election, to say we can determine that there was no effect, you'd be foolish to say that.
00:11:28.000Especially when you add to the leaking of information the fact that they were sucking data about individuals outside of state boards of elections.
00:11:37.000And again, Aaron, that is all publicly reported material that I'm giving you.
00:11:42.000So, look, they intended to affect the outcome.
00:11:46.000We have to get to the bottom of everything they did so we can protect future elections.
00:11:50.000We won't rule out the idea that they actually hacked the election results.
00:11:53.000I'm just wondering here, again, if you're moving without evidence on this thing to suggest that it's possible the actual election was hacked, which is what Democrats have been saying for a year now, is that the actual election was hacked, or since the election, they've been saying the actual election was hacked.
00:12:06.000You should actually have to show some evidence of that, because otherwise you are just participating in exactly what Democrats were whining about leading up to the 2016 election, saying Republicans wouldn't accept the outcome.
00:12:15.000We are now months and months and months beyond the election.
00:12:26.000But I think the broader point here is not about the insanity of the Democrats, which is consistent.
00:12:30.000It is that it is very difficult to vet people.
00:12:32.000It's very difficult to vet people, which means we have to be extraordinarily strict, extraordinarily stringent about who we let into the country and give the priorities and privileges of citizenship.
00:12:47.000In the West, we are very cordial about our rights, obviously, and we should be.
00:12:51.000But that very often veers into the stupidity of either granting top security clearance to people who shouldn't have it, as in the case of Reality Winner, or pretending that violent jihadis are not violent jihadis because they live in the West.
00:13:03.000So, for example, there's this terrorist whose name is Butt.
00:14:31.000Why is it that the West seems so bad at vetting?
00:14:34.000And the answer is because we in the West have a basic assumption, which is that all the people who live in the West are going to appreciate the privileges and values of the West.
00:15:23.000He was trying to radicalize the children, said the mother.
00:15:25.000He would go down to the park and talk to them about Islam.
00:15:28.000And he tried to recruit them to Islam.
00:15:30.000And the police, of course, let that go.
00:15:32.000A friend of Butt's also reported him to the police due to comments he made to justify a terror attack.
00:15:37.000Apparently one of his friends phoned the anti-terror hotline and they told him about the conversation and why he was radicalized and nothing happened.
00:15:45.000He was part of a radical Islamic organization known as Al-Muhajiron, which has lobbied for Sharia law and has been linked to 50% of all terror attacks in Britain over the past 20 years.
00:15:57.000He wanted to wage jihad in Syria, according to a relative of Butt's wife.
00:16:02.000Butt never acknowledged women in conversation.
00:16:05.000He was kicked out of a mosque for arguing with an imam during a sermon.
00:16:08.000They've been conducting surveillance of a terror cell in the London town of Barking, where Butt lived, since March, and they missed him.
00:16:46.000But if you are somebody who is expressing sympathy for the Iranian regime over the United States, I think that it's probably a mistake to give you top security clearance.
00:16:54.000I know that the left has this basic principle that they never want to engage in risk calculation.
00:16:58.000They think all risk calculation is profiling.
00:17:01.000All criminal behavior can be profiled through risk calculation, but attempting to profile through risk calculation is considered racist, sexist, xenophobic, politically incorrect by the left, and that's why you end up with bad people slipping through the cracks.
00:17:13.000Well, in just a second, I'm going to be joined by Senator Mike Lee of Utah.
00:17:16.000He has a brand new book out, but before I get to that,
00:17:19.000I want to say thank you to our sponsors over at My Patriot Supply.
00:17:22.000So, are you concerned about the direction of security?
00:18:08.000Okay, so yesterday we had the opportunity to speak with Senator Mike Lee, and here is a bit of our conversation with the great senator from Utah, maybe the last honest man in the United States Senate.
00:18:19.000Well, joining us here now on The Ben Shapiro Show is my favorite senator, the last honest senator in America, Senator Mike Lee of Utah.
00:18:27.000He has the benefit of also being from a state that actually elects conservatives every once in a while.
00:18:31.000So Senator Mike Lee has a brand new book out called Written Out of History, The Forgotten Founders Who Fought Big Government.
00:18:41.000So, why don't we jump right into the book, because it's fascinating that everybody reads the Federalist Papers, nobody reads the Anti-Federalist Papers.
00:18:46.000And if they'd read the Anti-Federalist Papers, they would understand that a lot of the debates that were had back then are being had today, except with a government that is much bigger.
00:19:10.000Not necessarily the people who were writing in the anti-federalist papers, but people who were bringing a different point of view to bear, even at the time of the founding, about the overreach of federal government.
00:19:18.000So let's run through some of these people, because I think it really is fascinating content.
00:19:22.000So let's start with Aaron Burr, who's been portrayed as the great villain of American history.
00:19:26.000Now, of course, Hamilton is a big hero to everybody, because there's a musical that very few people have seen, but everyone has heard of.
00:19:32.000And Aaron Burr is portrayed largely by a guy who ended up as a traitor trying to destroy the country.
00:19:39.000What exactly is the true story of Aaron Burr and how did he impact the building of the country?
00:19:43.000Aaron Burr was himself a victim of an overreaching president, Thomas Jefferson, who had this political rage problem.
00:19:55.000He became obsessed with his own power.
00:19:58.000When Aaron Burr was vice president under Thomas Jefferson,
00:20:03.000As vice president, he's also president of the Senate.
00:20:05.000There were a number of people who were themselves the victims of Jefferson's political road rage, who found themselves at the receding end of impeachment proceedings.
00:20:16.000Aaron Burr, as president of the Senate, afforded them due process and fairness.
00:21:05.000It's fascinating that you talk about that, because obviously, you know, now there's a lot of talk about whether it's necessary to have character in government.
00:21:16.000There's a lot of talk after this last election cycle where a lot of people were concerned about the character of both major candidates for president of the United States.
00:21:23.000And a lot of people, it seems, have basically come to the conclusion after the Clinton years that character doesn't matter in the president at all, and that we should just pick somebody.
00:21:34.000What do you make of that argument in light of American history?
00:21:38.000Well, I think what we have to remember is that when even a good person is someone who might abuse power, we have to carefully cabinet that power.
00:21:51.000I remember when I was a kid seeing a movie where there was this tyrannical king.
00:21:54.000I don't even remember the name of the movie, but the tyrant king
00:21:58.000Got really mad one day and said, that's it, I'm canceling Christmas.
00:22:01.000I thought, what kind of society even gives power to the king to cancel Christmas?
00:22:06.000They shouldn't ever do that in the first place.
00:22:08.000You don't want to give power to a king to take away something as fundamental to people as their religious holidays.
00:22:15.000And so regardless of where you start with the person, even a person who is an absolute saint should not be trusted with unlimited power.
00:22:24.000The entire founding generation, including the people I focus on in my book, Written Out of History, were suspicious of government power.
00:22:30.000Everyone expected George Washington to be our first president.
00:22:33.000They all respected George Washington, but they still deliberately created a relatively weak presidency.
00:22:39.000Meaning someone who wouldn't have too much power in the first place to abuse.
00:22:43.000Well, the book is written out of history, The Forgotten Founders Who Fought Big Government.
00:22:46.000Another name that people will know but may not know about him is Elbridge Gerry.
00:22:51.000Everybody knows his name because of gerrymandering, of course, and there are so many lawsuits now about whether districts are being properly drawn because they are quote unquote gerrymandered.
00:22:58.000But what exactly was Elbridge Gerry's role in the founding of the country?
00:23:03.000Well, he was a delegate to the Constitutional Convention.
00:23:05.000He was one of those who had some real serious concerns.
00:23:09.000With the Constitution, even at the end of the drafting process, he was in many respects the forebear, the progenitor of the Bill of Rights.
00:23:19.000He was the author of the language that became the Tenth Amendment.
00:23:23.000Only his version of the Tenth Amendment would have been better.
00:23:27.000It contained one word that's lacking in the Tenth Amendment as it was ultimately drafted and ratified, and that is expressly.
00:23:38.000Originally, it would have been all powers not expressly granted to Congress or prohibited to the states or reserved to the states or to the people.
00:23:46.000And James Madison took that out, took out the word expressly, thinking it was unnecessary.
00:23:52.000Many decades later, about 150 years later, I think Elbridge Gerry was proven right in that.
00:23:57.000We would have been better off had the word expressly been included.
00:24:01.000So I want to talk a little bit about applying lessons written out of history to modern government.
00:24:05.000So obviously the government has grown far more than any of the founders ever would have perceived.
00:24:09.000The battles between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists and the people who were critical of government power at the time, centralization of power, and the people who were in favor of that centralization of power.
00:24:17.000John Adams, who was a big proponent of a stronger executive and a stronger federal government, even he would look at the situation now and probably vomit and never stop vomiting.
00:24:27.000Because none of these guys were in favor of the overarching federal government that we have now.
00:24:33.000Because it seems like we have an incentive system where Congress has an incentive to pass incredibly vague laws and blame all of the implementation on the executive.
00:24:41.000The executive has the incentive to continue accreting as much power to itself as humanly possible.
00:24:47.000And the Supreme Court and the court system has as much incentive as possible
00:24:51.000to increase their own power by green lighting federal power.
00:24:54.000So where exactly can we stop this cycle?
00:25:18.000Whether it occurs through an Article 5 Convention, which is an option, or whether it occurs through a series of legislative reforms or constitutional reforms brought about within Congress.
00:25:29.000Regardless of how it happens, it's not going to happen until it has to happen, until the people insist on it happening.
00:25:36.000But that, in turn, isn't going to occur until such time as people reacquaint themselves with our true founding story.
00:25:46.000of America's founding and of the founding of the Constitution have been sanitized.
00:25:50.000They've been sanitized by an educational and political and media establishment that wants a single narrative, wants the sort of post-New Deal era narrative to dominate the discussion.
00:26:03.000And so as a result, what we've all been taught in public school, in college, even in most private schools, is that those who advocated for a bigger, stronger national government are the ones to be revered.
00:26:15.000The anti-federalists like Luther Markham, who I discuss in the book, have been sort of passed aside.
00:26:21.000The problem is that we don't have both sides of the story being told.
00:26:24.000Once the American people become reacquainted with the other side of the story, the one that's been written out of history, they can begin to exercise the political will and move forward with these movements.
00:26:36.000Again, whether it's through an Article 5 convention or otherwise, the will has to be there on the part of the people.
00:26:41.000But the people aren't going to have the will until they re-appoint themselves with these stories and until these become part of our national political discourse.
00:26:48.000We're talking with Senator Mike Lee, author of Written Out of History, The Forgotten Founders Who Fought Big Government.
00:26:52.000I'd be remiss, Senator Lee, if I didn't ask you a little bit about what's going on in the Senate right now, just in terms of politics.
00:26:58.000We're looking at, we're now 150 days into the Trump administration, and aside from the Congressional Review Act, no major legislation has really passed through Congress.
00:27:09.000Do you foresee there being a major tax
00:27:12.000Right now it seems like in order to get a good tax reform bill through, they need to get some sort of health care reform through in order to build up the savings that they can use to pass on those savings to reconciliation for purposes of tax reform.
00:27:27.000Do you think that we're going to get one of those, neither of those?
00:27:31.000And a broader question as a follow-up.
00:27:34.000Would it be better if we just stopped with all these omnibus packages in general and started passing three-page bills that everybody could vote up or down?
00:27:46.000This is one of my biggest frustrations with the place is that for years and years, or at least the six and a half year period, I think Congress has not been appropriating this passing bills that spend money through the regular order process.
00:28:00.000In other words, we wait until the deadline.
00:28:05.000We run right up to the limit placed on a spending bill, usually September 30th.
00:28:12.000And then we're told, you either pass this bill, either a continuing resolution or an omnibus spending package, or the government's going to shut down.
00:28:19.000And by the way, in this package, the CR or the omnibus or whatever it is, it's gonna fund Planned Parenthood, it's gonna fund all these bad things, it's gonna fund Obamacare.
00:28:28.000But you have to do this, or you're going to get blamed for a shutdown.
00:29:39.000You can hear, obviously, Senator Lee is super fluent, not only in American history, but also in governance.
00:29:44.000And this is a must-read for people who are concerned about the future of government, just as they should be about the past of American government.
00:29:49.000You can't understand where we are without knowing where we've been and what the arguments were on the other side, many of which were actually correct.
00:29:55.000As time went on, it was proved that they were correct.
00:29:57.000Senator Lee, thanks so much for joining the show.
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