The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 314 - The Left Frets Over Comey, The Right Frets Over Radical Islam

There are certain clarifying moments in political discourse, moments that demonstrate just where the various parties stand. Never has the gap been so obvious as this last week. On Friday, the left declared the world was in imminent peril. On Saturday, a group of Islamic terrorists dropped a van into a crowd on London Bridge and then jumped out of the vehicle and started stabbing people in surrounding establishments. Meanwhile, the right shrugged and pointed out that global warming wasn t a problem anyway. What explains this gap between left and right? And why the media seems to be more interested in covering Iran than we should be talking about the threat of Islamic terrorism. ProFlowers has a special offer just for our listeners that gets you $10 off your purchase of $29 or more. It s a no-brainer gift for a birthday, for an anniversary, for Father s Day, or any other occasion where you love your spouse. I use it to make my marriage better, because I love to show love to my spouse, and all shows love to his or her. I m making it better than it ever has been before, and I m going to make it even better after you use code "BENSHOW" at checkout to get 10% off any purchase or $29, plus a significant discount. To get that great deal, go to proflowers.com right now and enter "BenSHOW at checkout at checkout" and enter code BENSHOW. We re good to go and get a $10 discount! Ben Shapiro and you ll be good to me! . - Ben Shapiro - The Ben Shapiro Show is a show about all things politics, economics, economics and pop culture, and everything in between. - Subscribe to Ben Shapiro's new book, coming out soon! Subscribe to the Ben Shapiro show on Amazon Prime? Subscribe to his newest podcast, coming soon. Subscribe on Audible. Subscribe to The FiveThirtyEight.co/Ben Shapiro Show? Learn more about Ben Shapiro: Ben Shapiro is a writer, editor, podcaster, and host of The Six Figure Podcasts on The Six Figures Podcast? Subscribe and subscribe to his podcast on Podchaser. and much more! - click here to become a supporter of Ben Shapiro on The Five Thirty Eight Podcasts Subscribe & review Ben Shapiro s latest book, Ben Shapiro Podcast is a must-listen to The Six Million Dollar Man? and more!

00:00:00.000 There are certain clarifying moments in political discourse, moments that demonstrate just where the various parties stand.

00:00:05.000 Never has the gap been so obvious as this last week.

00:00:08.000 On Friday, the left declared the world was in imminent peril.

00:00:10.000 The problem?

00:00:11.000 President Trump pulled out of the altogether meaningless Paris Climate Accord, a worldwide agreement requesting non-binding commitments from signatories about future carbon emissions cuts.

00:00:19.000 The hysteria was palpable.

00:00:21.000 Suddenly, debunked weather prognosticator Al Gore found himself in prime television slots jabbering about the end of the world.

00:00:27.000 House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi.

00:00:29.000 She gabbled about how Trump was dishonoring God.

00:00:31.000 No word on her abortion-on-demand position from the Holy One, Blessed Be He.

00:00:34.000 The Huffington Post ran a headline showing the world in flames.

00:00:37.000 The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, released a statement bemoaning Trump's decision.

00:00:41.000 Meanwhile, the right shrugged.

00:00:42.000 It pointed out the agreement didn't really do much anyway.

00:00:45.000 It didn't bind China and India to any serious commitments.

00:00:47.000 The Senate had not passed any enabling legislation.

00:00:49.000 Perhaps non-governmental alternatives should be considered before diving headlong into empowerment of the regulatory state to fight a rising temperature over the next century.

00:00:58.000 On Saturday, a group of Islamic terrorists dropped a van into a crowd on London Bridge and then jumped out of the vehicle and started stabbing people in surrounding establishments.

00:01:06.000 ISIS claimed responsibility.

00:01:07.000 The right immediately labeled the attacks yet another example of Islamic extremism on the march, linking them with the Manchester terror attack.

00:01:14.000 President Trump took to Twitter to denounce the terror attacks and call for an end to politically correct policies, as well as to stump for his travel ban.

00:01:21.000 Conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic complained about leftist multiculturalism creating room for Islamic terror growth. 0.95

00:01:27.000 Meanwhile, the left shrugged.

00:01:29.000 Sally Cohn tweeted about the glories of political correctness.

00:01:32.000 Paul Krugman compared being killed in a terrorist attack to being killed by a drunk driver.

00:01:36.000 Democrats complained about President Trump's attacks on Khan, who is busy urging Londoners to stay calm after panicking about global warming just a few days ago.

00:01:43.000 What explains this gap between left and right?

00:01:46.000 The left believes that human beings are inherently good, and that only environment defines whether they will act in evil fashion.

00:01:52.000 That's why Senator Bernie Sanders articulated in 2016

00:01:55.000 That global warming was the spur to terrorism.

00:01:57.000 It's why the Obama administration routinely suggested that poverty causes terrorism.

00:02:01.000 External circumstances dictate the morality of individual actors.

00:02:05.000 That's also why the left argues we shouldn't hold people responsible for their actions as a general rule.

00:02:10.000 Instead, we should reshape society.

00:02:12.000 The right, on the other hand, believes that human beings are capable of evil all on their own.

00:02:16.000 That's why they see the rise of radical Islam as more of a problem than global warming. 0.98

00:02:20.000 Good people won't kill each other just because the world is getting warmer.

00:02:23.000 They will if they begin to believe evil ideologies or support those who do.

00:02:27.000 The gap is not bridgeable.

00:02:28.000 It goes to the nature of humanity and our perception of that nature.

00:02:31.000 But it's requiring a greater and greater strain these days to blame anybody but individual human beings in free Western societies for their own descent into evil.

00:02:40.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:02:40.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:02:46.000 All right, tons to get to today.

00:02:47.000 I want to talk about what we really should be talking about, and then I want to talk about what the media is instead talking about.

00:02:51.000 Of course, these Comey hearings, and then NSA head Mike Rogers is in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee, as well as Dan Coats, the Director of National Intelligence, both of them testifying right now.

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00:04:25.000 Okay, so, let's start with what people should be talking about today.

00:04:36.000 What people should be talking about today is there is a global threat of Islamic terror. 0.99

00:04:40.000 There's an Islamic terror attack in Canada over the weekend, everybody ignored it.

00:04:43.000 There's an Islamic terror attack ISIS 0.75

00:04:46.000 Actually is now basically at war with Iran, and Iran is now blaming Saudi Arabia.

00:04:50.000 So the chances of a Middle Eastern conflagration are growing exponentially. 1.00

00:04:53.000 Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia is in the middle of a firefight, a political firefight anyway, with the nation of Qatar.

00:05:01.000 Qatar is a backdoor terror supporter, and they have been for a long time, and now Saudi Arabia is posing itself in opposition to them. 0.89

00:05:08.000 Things are shaping up for what could actually turn into a hot conflict in the Middle East between Iran and Saudi Arabia, or Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

00:05:15.000 Things could get very ugly very quickly over there.

00:05:18.000 And meanwhile, all of that is resulting in an increase in terror abroad.

00:05:21.000 ISIS is trying to demonstrate that it still has muscle, so there have been terrorist attacks, as I say, in Britain, in Toronto, there's one in the Philippines, and the London mayor was asked by the, I think it's by Piers Morgan actually,

00:05:34.000 What exactly he's doing to stop terrorism and basically said we can't do much.

00:05:40.000 Mayor of this capital city, where are they?

00:05:43.000 I can't follow 400 people.

00:05:44.000 What I can do is make sure the policies, because what we can do though is make sure the resources for the police and the experts to follow these people.

00:05:51.000 Why can't you instruct the police?

00:05:52.000 Why can't you call Cressida Dick right now and say every one of those people has come back from a war zone who's in London.

00:06:00.000 I want them followed.

00:06:01.000 And he has no answer for that.

00:06:04.000 He starts to kind of futz about.

00:06:06.000 The answer is that he can, but he won't, because the fact is we are deploying our law enforcement resources in the West in exactly the wrong way.

00:06:12.000 We have used politically correct ways of doing it.

00:06:15.000 You know, people wonder why it is that the intelligence community has these blanket surveillance tools they use for all Americans.

00:06:21.000 One of the reasons is political correctness.

00:06:23.000 If we weren't politically correct, then we'd be using all of our law enforcement resources at the hottest spots.

00:06:28.000 We still are using a disproportionate amount, but we have to pretend that we're not, so instead we decide it's more important to surveil everyone equally, and so we have these giant metadata programs instead of focusing in on, say, people who are coming back from Syria, or people who are going to Wahhabi-funded mosques, Saudi-funded mosques.

00:06:42.000 It's a huge mistake.

00:06:43.000 Meanwhile, Democrats, of course, are not focusing on the threat of Islamic terror at all.

00:06:48.000 They are trying to continue to play identity politics.

00:06:50.000 They're trying to say that Republicans are evil and terrible, not because Republicans are bad at protecting you from terrorism. 1.00

00:06:55.000 They're evil and terrible because they're racist and sexist and bigoted and homophobic. 0.99

00:06:59.000 So Andrew Cuomo, who's the governor of New York, who should theoretically be spending a lot of his time focused on the terror threat to places like New York City. 0.97

00:07:06.000 Instead, he's spending his time preparing for a 2020 run by going around

00:07:10.000 Saying that President Trump hates immigrants and just wants to deport people, so he should deport Andrew Cuomo.

00:07:16.000 You want to deport immigrants? 0.92

00:07:18.000 Start with me, because I'm an immigrant.

00:07:22.000 Well, if only we could, Andrew Cuomo, but you're an American citizen, so we cannot do that, nor should we.

00:07:27.000 But it is tempting.

00:07:28.000 The fact is that the Democrats are seeking to avoid the real discussion, which is, what do we do about radical Islamic terror?

00:07:34.000 What they are really wanting to focus on is, of course, these hearings that are happening on the Hill right now.

00:07:39.000 So there are a bunch of breaking pieces of news last night surrounding James Comey, the former FBI director and President Trump.

00:07:45.000 And the big question from all of this, because today, as I said, we have the National Security Advisor, the head of the National Security Agency, rather, Mike Rogers, testifying on the Hill.

00:07:55.000 There were reports that Rogers had been asked by Trump

00:07:58.000 We're good.

00:08:13.000 And those reports were all coming out in the last couple of weeks.

00:08:15.000 They are testifying today on the Hill.

00:08:17.000 You also have the, you have Comey himself is testifying on the Hill tomorrow.

00:08:22.000 So I want to bring you all the updates about this.

00:08:23.000 But the only question that matters here, the only question that really matters is did President Trump in any way attempt to hamper the investigation into Trump campaign Russia connections?

00:08:35.000 That's the big question in all of this.

00:08:37.000 Did he attempt to do that?

00:08:38.000 Did he attempt to pressure Coates?

00:08:40.000 Did he attempt to pressure Rogers?

00:08:42.000 Did he attempt to pressure Jeff Sessions?

00:08:44.000 Did he attempt to pressure Comey before he fired him?

00:08:47.000 Was any of this designed to actually shut down the investigation?

00:08:50.000 Now, if you're on the left,

00:08:51.000 You gotta be saying, well, sure, of course.

00:08:53.000 I mean, it looks like now, according to these reports, he asked Coats to tell Comey to back off.

00:08:57.000 He asked Rogers to tell Comey to back off.

00:09:00.000 He asked Coats to disown the Russian dossier we talked about several months ago, this intelligence dossier about Trump and Russia, much of which turned out to be false, and Coats refused to do it.

00:09:10.000 He fired Comey.

00:09:11.000 If you're on the left,

00:09:12.000 You have to be saying well yeah I mean there's pressure everywhere and to be fair if the situation were reversed if you had Barack Obama and Barack Obama's IRS head were being investigated and she went up and she testified that Barack Obama did not put any pressure and he had some secret conversations with her in their reports that he had asked her to target 501c3 charities and

00:09:32.000 The question was, did he pressure you to push 501c3 charities that were conservative out the back door?

00:09:38.000 We would all be saying, well, why would we trust her answer?

00:09:41.000 That's what the left is saying today.

00:09:42.000 But again, no evidence, no evidence of any of this, no evidence of serious pressure being brought.

00:09:49.000 Everyone has testified now.

00:09:51.000 According to Rogers today, he just testified moments ago that he has not felt pressure from the Trump administration to do anything illegal.

00:09:57.000 Coats said basically the same thing.

00:10:00.000 They're giving a little bit shifty answers in some areas.

00:10:03.000 They're saying

00:10:05.000 Things like, I feel it's inappropriate to answer, I don't know if I legally can answer.

00:10:09.000 But regardless of that, there's still no evidence that Trump actually pressured.

00:10:12.000 So there's two ways of reading Trump's behavior in all of this.

00:10:14.000 And I want to go through what the reports are about Trump's behavior, and then I'll explain the two reads on the behavior.

00:10:19.000 So, The Washington Post reported last night, this is all in prep run-up for the Comey hearing.

00:10:24.000 The Comey hearing tomorrow is what Democrats are looking forward to.

00:10:26.000 I really think that Comey's going to come forward and Comey is going to say the following.

00:10:30.000 He's going to get up and he's going to say, President Trump met with me.

00:10:33.000 He asked me to kill the Trump-Russia investigation.

00:10:36.000 I refused to do so.

00:10:37.000 He fired me.

00:10:38.000 That's the narrative Democrats are hoping for.

00:10:40.000 That's not the narrative they're likely to get.

00:10:41.000 But in preparation for that narrative, the bars in D.C.

00:10:44.000 are opening up tomorrow, apparently, and they're putting the Comey hearings on TV.

00:10:47.000 CBS is broadcasting it in network time, which, as I mentioned yesterday, is just insane.

00:10:52.000 Would they have broadcast Lois Lerner's testimony on Network Time?

00:10:55.000 Would they have broadcast Eric Holder's testimony on Network Time?

00:10:58.000 Would they have broadcast Hillary Clinton's Benghazi testimony on Network Time?

00:11:01.000 Of course not.

00:11:02.000 This is evidence of tremendous, tremendous media bias.

00:11:05.000 But the media are all hot and bothered about this, so they're leaking incessantly about Comey and about Coates and about Rogers and about all of this.

00:11:12.000 So, here's the Washington Post report last night.

00:11:14.000 They say, quote,

00:11:15.000 The president complained.

00:11:18.000 He met with CIA Director Mike Pompeo and DNI Dan Coats.

00:11:22.000 They attended a briefing at the White House.

00:11:24.000 He pulled them aside and told everybody else to leave.

00:11:26.000 And then, quote, the president started complaining about the FBI investigation and Comey's handling of it, said officials familiar with the account Coats gave to associates.

00:11:34.000 Two days earlier, Comey had confirmed in a congressional hearing the Bureau was probing whether Trump's campaign coordinated with Russia during the 2016 race.

00:11:41.000 After the encounter, Coats discussed the conversation with other officials and decided that intervening with Comey, as Trump had suggested, would be inappropriate.

00:11:48.000 According to officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal matters.

00:11:53.000 So I'm not sure where the illegality lies.

00:11:57.000 The president can say anything he wants, but it's not obstruction of justice unless he actively does something to obstruct justice.

00:12:03.000 And if I went to Dan Coats and I said, Dan, I'd appreciate if you dropped this investigation, it wouldn't mean anything.

00:12:08.000 If the president does it, it doesn't really mean anything either.

00:12:11.000 Maybe it's a backdoor sort of pressure, but it's not obvious that that is pressure rising to the level of obstruction of justice.

00:12:18.000 Is it just possible that Trump is so annoyed with the Trump-Russia investigation because he himself knows that he's innocent that he's saying off-the-cuff silly things to people?

00:12:26.000 My theory is that that's what best fits with the evidence.

00:12:28.000 Not that Trump is some sort of mastermind attempting in Nixonian fashion to quash the investigation, but that Trump is so frustrated with Comey and with the Trump-Russia investigation that he's angry at everyone.

00:12:38.000 There's a report today that he's angry at Jeff Sessions.

00:12:41.000 Jeff Sessions, of course, is his Attorney General and one of the more solid populist nationalists in the administration.

00:12:47.000 If you are somebody who likes Trump's agenda, Jeff Sessions is your man.

00:12:50.000 I mean, Jeff Sessions is the guy who is anti-immigration.

00:12:52.000 Jeff Sessions is the guy who is in favor of harsher restrictions on immigration and harsher enforcement of crime.

00:13:02.000 Jeff Sessions is somebody you want to see stay, in other words, if you are a fan of Trump.

00:13:05.000 But now there's tension between Trump and Sessions, apparently.

00:13:08.000 According to ABC News, Justice Department spokesperson Sarah Isker Flores would not comment when asked by ABC News if Sessions had threatened or offered to resign.

00:13:16.000 Additionally,

00:13:17.000 White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer yesterday would not confirm whether Trump still has confidence in Sessions, saying, I said I have not had a discussion with him on the question.

00:13:24.000 I don't.

00:13:25.000 If I haven't had a discussion about a subject, I tend not to speak about it, which is a pretty weird way of answering a question about whether the president has confidence in his own attorney general.

00:13:34.000 Sort of this language that was being mirrored by Sean Spicer before Comey was fired.

00:13:38.000 So clearly there's tension between Sessions and Trump.

00:13:40.000 So in other words, Trump is angry at everyone.

00:13:43.000 That the Trump-Russia investigation won't just die, not because he's guilty, but because Trump thinks he's innocent.

00:13:48.000 Trump says, I didn't do anything.

00:13:49.000 I know I didn't do anything.

00:13:51.000 And that's really plausible, that Trump didn't do anything.

00:13:53.000 Even if Manafort, even if Manafort, Paul Manafort, his former campaign manager, did something.

00:13:57.000 Even if Carter Page, his former foreign policy advisor, did something.

00:14:01.000 Even if Mike Flynn did something.

00:14:02.000 That is not evidence that Trump himself did something.

00:14:04.000 And you can sense that Trump has a divide in his own mind between the Trump campaign and Trump himself.

00:14:09.000 And by the way, if you're Mike Flynn and you were cutting some sort of corrupt deal with the Russians, or Paul Manafort and you were cutting some sort of corrupt deal with the Russians, the last person you would tell is Donald Trump for two reasons.

00:14:19.000 One, Trump would likely fire you.

00:14:21.000 And two, even if Trump didn't fire you, you're now making him privy, well, three reasons.

00:14:26.000 Two, you're making him privy to information that could get him impeached if he ever was discovered to have been involved in this.

00:14:32.000 And three, if you tell Trump there's a good shot that Trump will say something dumb about it on national TV and get everybody in trouble.

00:14:39.000 So the reality here is that Trump probably is innocent, Trump probably is irritated, and Trump probably is going around saying to everyone he can find, can you please stop this because it's annoying me.

00:14:48.000 That, I think, is the account that best fits with the evidence, but that's not what Democrats are saying.

00:14:52.000 I'm going to get to that in just a second, the over-the-skis nature of this, the Democrats really pushing a narrative that doesn't exist, a narrative that is far over the top, and they're going to continue pushing it

00:15:01.000 And it's up to Trump how to tamp that down.

00:15:04.000 There's a way for him to do it.

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00:16:36.000 Okay, so.

00:17:06.000 The fact is that the Democrats are trying to overread the situation.

00:17:11.000 The Democrats are going with the Trump was colluding, now Trump is covering it up.

00:17:17.000 And you can see the people who they are trotting out to say things like this.

00:17:20.000 So the first person they're trotting out is James Clapper.

00:17:23.000 James Clapper was the Director of National Intelligence under Barack Obama.

00:17:26.000 He was appointed by Obama.

00:17:28.000 And Clapper is not an honest person.

00:17:30.000 He's the person who lied in front of Congress when he said that

00:17:33.000 People were not being surveilled, essentially, by the National Security Agency.

00:17:37.000 That was not true.

00:17:38.000 Now James Clapper was doing a speech to the National Press Club in Australia, and here is what he had to say about the Trump administration.

00:17:45.000 The subsequent actions sharing a sense of intelligence with the Russians and compromising its source reflect either ignorance or disrespect, and either is very problematic.

00:17:57.000 Similarly, the whole episode with the firing of Jim Comey, a distinguished public servant, in part from the egregious, inexcusable manner in which it was conducted, reflect complete disregard for the independence and autonomy of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, our premier law enforcement organization.

00:18:18.000 I have to say- So pause it right there for a second.

00:18:20.000 When he says that it reflects a lack of respect for the autonomy of the FBI, what he is implying there is that Trump is invading the autonomy of the FBI, meaning that he is attempting to cram down his view of the Trump-Russia investigation on the FBI.

00:18:32.000 No evidence has been provided of that.

00:18:35.000 Trump has every right to fire James Comey, who was, is, and will be an incompetent, bloviating blowhard.

00:18:41.000 Here is James Clapper continuing.

00:18:43.000 You know that I think, uh,

00:18:46.000 Okay, that's insane.

00:18:49.000 Watergate does not pale in comparison for two reasons.

00:18:56.000 One, there was an underlying crime in Watergate.

00:18:57.000 We know there was a break-in at the Watergate hotel.

00:19:07.000 We know that it was subordinates of President Nixon who conducted that break-in.

00:19:12.000 And we know that President Nixon attempted to cover it up, obstruct justice, and fire people.

00:19:16.000 Here, we don't know that there was an underlying crime.

00:19:18.000 Here, we don't know that Trump was actually trying to obstruct when he fired Comey.

00:19:21.000 And there's been, by all the available actual evidence that we've seen, no one can provide a shred of evidence, other than accusations, that there's been an actual attempt to shut down the investigation.

00:19:32.000 In fact, the people who are key, people like Rob Rosenstein, people like

00:19:36.000 Rogers, people like DNI Coats, all of these people have said there is no actual intervention into the Trump-Russia investigation, so how can he sit there and claim this is worse than Watergate?

00:19:49.000 How can he claim that?

00:19:49.000 He can't, because it's a political hack.

00:19:51.000 But, again, I just want to point out that if you're on the left, what you need in order to keep this thing alive is you need more smoke.

00:19:57.000 So, the left will push its smoke.

00:20:00.000 But what you really need if you're the left is you need Trump to continue to fulminate.

00:20:03.000 You need Trump to continue to get angry and tweet things, because the more Trump tweets, the more he fulminates, the more he acts out, the more he asks people to shut down investigations, the more he tells people, can you please leave this alone?

00:20:13.000 The more irritated Trump gets, the more volatile he gets.

00:20:16.000 The more volatile he gets, the more he tends to say,

00:20:19.000 Innately not smart things to people about an investigation that may not be obstruction of justice, but they give hints of obstruction of justice if you are a member of the left.

00:20:27.000 So the best thing that Trump can do right now is to take it easy.

00:20:30.000 That'd be the best thing that Trump can do.

00:20:31.000 I'm going to talk about what exactly Trump can do to tamp all this down.

00:20:35.000 He's, I think, starting to do some of this, but he's going to need to not live tweet Comey's testimony tomorrow to do the rest.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - June 07, 2017

Ep. 314 - The Left Frets Over Comey, The Right Frets Over Radical Islam

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